@@idyllicKeyboards no. I can’t form an opinion on something I don’t have. Unless you are suggesting that every tool who is into high end keyboards goes out and buys every switch that some other keyboard tool decided to throw their favorite colors on and tweak just enough not to have zeal cause you of stealing his design that he stole and tweaked just enough that no one calls him a hypocrit because in reality most of them are in Silicon Valley and have to live a life of hypocrisy and virtue signaling. I figured you aren’t suggesting that though because think of the carbon footprint for all of us getting a set of every switch shipped to us just to find out we don’t like it. Think of all the wasted oil that goes into all these switches when if TH-cam channels did their job they could let you know ahead of time “this switch sucks” or “buy this switch”, you could almost use all that oil to drive Bill Gates new yaught that he forsure never has more than five guests on at a time for dinner because then he would be killing your grandma by spreading covid. Or wait no. You really were trying to make someone look stupid for expecting a keyboard channel to review the product they show us instead of just some b roll and then talking just to hear their own voice. Damn we coulda been circle jerk bro’s
If I didn't cover a switch, its because I don't own it. I pay for all these Switches, Films and Materials myself... (Like and Subscribe to help me afford more switches and sticky tape 😅)
I just modded my creams with switch films after noticing top housing wobble on nearly all of them, its good to see a video validating me doing so despite everyone saying, as you mentioned "they have tight housings so there is no need".
Which films did you use and did it anything on the sound part? I’m thinking of kebo films since they are the thinnest, but not 100% if filming is worth them.
@@Definitely_Melnyx I've filmed creams with deskeys and they work well. noticeably less woble but I can't really say much on how they change the sound tho
@@hughle9913 Good to know that the deskey films work well with creams, I intended to use these as I have some Alpaca stem swapped creams that have some noticeable stem wobble. Any issues with closing the housing afterwards? I figured because they are a compressible material I shouldn't really run into any issues at all.
Melnyx got the kebo and tried it. Not too expensive from AliExpress. Definitely worth trying cause everyone’s mileage may vary. Personally feel that it only works really well on very loose top housings like even on old switches like Mx vint blacks. Remember that if you tend to open and close them too often they may get also get loose and having them too tight may cause your fingers to feel the vibrations when bottoming out... plus I get bothered when some loose ones had films and some don’t it’s a pain to fit in too and it gives off a plasticy sound too. HAHAHA. it is what it is... fun experience if you enjoy fiddling around.
This video is extraordinarily informative! Thank you so much for this great content! The videography, commentary and thoughts are all very well presented.
Woah, really good video, this actually covers a lot of things that many people on the internet claims and debunks it really well. Very nicely presented too!
Well, he just dismissed the most important point and that is the sound. You honestly don't notice whether the housing is wobbly or not when typing. You can only hear it rattling when it is not tight. So in my opinion it was an fantastic but useless effort.
Great content! Love the effort and the amount of thought you put into it. Not to mention the amount of work you’ve placed into delivering your questions, yet letting us judge for ourselves with examples, not “benchmarking” this is best and so on cause “to each its own” ya? Everything is experimental and you’ve to see it and do it yourself to believe it... Really encouraged with such positive cynicism that I definitely resonate with. Just to share, had an experience of making everything so tight, films, tape, lube, even in soldering that I felt the vibrations through the keycaps(with orings) when bottoming out... it was such a weird feeling that I removed everything and left just the lube... that’s when I knew that doing everything doesn’t necessarily make it better... 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Keep up the good work! Looking forward to seeing your channel grow and learning more things from you... ps: you’ve got a brilliant mind.
Thank you for the video, well explained and clear. I came here after seeing the Deskeys were described as 0.3mm and was worried they were too thick until I watched your video. I wish you showed a demonstration of Halo Clears.
subbed immediately, your content is informative, entertaining, and really well thought out this is coming from a person w a 10 second attention span for youtube videos
Thanks for this great video. I had Creams myself and I felt that some were much wobblier than the others, this video here was the only one showing the truth and much, much more about films & wobble. Thank you a lot, this video showed all the information and more that I wanted/needed!
Excellent video, I have a related question: recently got some black inks and lubed/filmed them with tx films (0.125 thickness) i had left over from other switches. I ran out however and got deskeys like films (well rated but off aliexpress). I didn't realize at the time that they're a lot thinner and flimsier. So I installed some of those on the remaining black inks. Now I can't say they're worse at reducing wobble, but it was pretty clear the inks with the thinner/softer films sounded significantly more high pitched (basically the same higher pitch of stock inks except these were lubed). Is this something you noticed too??
Great vid. I really liked the ending where you show the wobble on all the stock switches. Would love to see a comparison of the same switches with films to see how much it reduces wobble in each one.
I've had rebranded outemu reds on my first cheap mech and after wiping some lube on the stem because they were soldered the board sounded so god damn good
This is a wonderful exposition. I specifically thought the "tension" sound test was a very clever way to demonstrate the sound effect of adding films. One omission is that films *will* change how a tactile switch feels. My theory is that it's due partly to the change in travel distance, and partly due to the more-tight housing pressing the slider more tightly against the contact leaf.
Hi may I ask for the boba u4t, many said that we don’t need to film it as it’s tight. Is this really true? Please let me know if you have tried it thanks
I wanted to keep listening to that tape sount test at 6:57 hahahaha. This "hobby" is making me insane. Very informative video btw. Although some sound comparison between the different films on the same switch would have been nice.
Lol how many things can I do to a keyboard. Is switch film and switch lubing the only modifications outside of changing the housing spring or switch cap?
Question, I’m kind of new. What type of films will fit outemu switches? And off topic, is it worth lubing my outemu blues to stop spring ping? Just lube the spring, and what type of lube?
For a long time I don't really understand what is housing wobble, until I see this video! IMO film doesn't do much with stem wobble, but 100% do alot on housing wobble.
Came just in time. Was wondering if I need to film my zilent v2‘s. Ordered switch film anyways. Now I am pretty sure it’s worth it. Keep up the great content :)
Even in switches that people say dont need a film, the film will still slightly alter the sound of the switch making it sound a bit deeper. It's preference and miniscule but I prefer a deeper sounding switch. Even though the sound is pretty much determined by your keyboard case, I still feel it's worth it.
@@idyllicKeyboards Your'e a savior🙏🏽. Ive literally played all the games and forgot the name smh. I also really enjoyed the video and it helped me understand the differences so thank you for the content aswell.
Your calipers are not in metric at all currently, the moved decimal mentioned is 'thou' or thousandths of an inch (hence the 'in' on the left). Should be the blue mm/inch button that swaps between metric and imperial (but if it's not working... time for new ones). So @ 4:15 0.009 is 9 thousandths of an inch or 0.229mm, not anywhere near 0.09mm For reliable and repeatable measurements in these low ranges consider acquiring a micrometer. They have a spring / ratchet mechanism to remove the inconsistent element of pressure applied via the tool. Measurement in metric for anyone interested @3:57 15 thou = 0.381mm @4:08 29 thou = 0.737mm @4:15 & @4:20 9 thou = 0.229mm
In think you’ve just changed the units on your vernier calipers? Use a ruler to check it. But there’s a button there to change the units between mm and inches. In the video, you have it in inches. Hope that helps, sorry if I’m saying things you already know!
Common, simple offerings on KBDfans are tray-mount boards, which I don't think are comparable to the more premium boards which often feature on his channel. Many things influence sound, here's a document which can help explain further. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15XmznA5T9d4PkfBG0TDS82ou6ihBh0oqr8Aux24SNz0/edit#gid=1883662956
@@idyllicKeyboards Thanks for the info. th-cam.com/video/FIzCy70Ef6g/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=CB. th-cam.com/video/p4G7eeWLD1U/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Y0mm_lSuXZc/w-d-xo.html I am not an expert. But to my ears these sound as good as what Taeha shows in terms of sound. What do you think?
You should consider grabbing a micrometer (if you haven't already!). Calipers are not accurate enough to give you accurate results at that resolution. Very good calipers can be consistently precise, but they tend to not be accurate enough. Micrometers tend to give you both precision and accuracy (and are an overall far more limited use tool!). Great video excepting the low audio volume. Subbed and looking forward to watching your other vids!
THANK YOU. This world of novelty keyboard crap is too fussy! - plenty of us just want the minimum info needed to figure out our preferences without throwing money at recommendations of others. 😄 Also, I’m inferring from this video that keycap wobble is probably going to vary with the age of the switch molds, regardless of the brand/product. So getting minimal wobble means buying for that spec or filming yourself-especially if you’re already opening the switches to lube or whatever.
Great video! For a long time I wanted to use a mechanical keyboard... cool factor, but ever since the using the original logitech cherries.. i was very disapointed of the wobble just putting my fingers on they keys. Then looking for reviews...a lot of reviewer conveiniently leave this out. I checked out the logitech G915 at a store a few years ago, and I like that type of "not wobble" but 💸💸💸. ff almost a decade.. I've given up on the search now. IMO, The design of most of these have a fundimental flaw.. imo.. being square. they coull easily be metal rount housing. this make holes easier to have manufacturing/molding tolerances. square is hard to manufacture. the cheap housing screems of lazy engineering or that plastic is just too expensive.
I found that my tfue switches did have wobble but I found it very difficult to close the housings with tx films in them so I left then unfilmed. Idk how other ppl managed to film them
if you use deskey films they can still close even though its tight since they are a softer material. It does still take some force to close them though.
yeah it was weird cause some I could film (the ones in the video) but a few days later when I tried filming some other creams with TX, they just wouldnt accept them. So I've just been using deskeys since theyre compressible.
I used medical tape for switch films, sooo hard to do buuuut way cheaper and you can put more on switches that are needs more.. I just takes alot, I mean A LOT of effort and time.
I use a Sony camera to film my switches. Sure they look okay when filmed with a smartphone, or not filmed at all, but filming them with a camera seems to give me the best result.
Weird... I actually kinda like how there is a little bit of wobble to the switch, you cant have too much of it but i have never found it irritating or bad on mx style switches
I don't like that you dismissed the sound aspect, it is the most important when filming switches. You honestly don't feel much change in typing. The only thing that is changed is the amount of rattle from the switch. And so filming is an amazing mod and I absolutely love the sound. Still a fantastic effort about debunking myths of tight switches. Still, I think it was wasteful because of no sound.
For this video I wanted to focus on getting visual footage that could show people objective/tangible benefits of switch films, hence why I mention housing wobble in the title because that was the focus of the episode. I disagree when you say the sound aspect is the most important when filming switches. Typing on taller profile keycaps the differences between wobbly/non-wobble housing are extremely noticeable. The off-center presses are inconsistent and feel horrible, example at 0:25 with the SA keycap. Hence, I’d argue the performance improvement switch films provide are more important than potential benefits to acoustic, as wobbly housing affect the typing experience and usability. Sound does not affect usability, which is why I argue it’s a soft attribute and intangible.
While the sound aspect is another big factor when it comes to switch modifications, it ultimately comes down to personal preference as to how critical it is. I personally also love to film switches more for the sound profile change than the physical reduction of wobble, but that's not to say that the sound is the most important thing when it comes to filming switches. In addition, it's quite difficult to fully control the content creation geared towards sound profile changes and modifications due to the many governing factors towards sound characteristics. Even something such as the camera and microphone used to record along with headphones or speakers used by a viewer can greatly change expectation versus reality of how these modifications may affect a switch's sound. I'd have to respectfully disagree that the content was wasteful because of having no sound as it was able to remain objective and very scientific and it looks like A LOT of work was involved.
@@idyllicKeyboards Ahahahah Ok I understand what you mean but I will just slap it with preference as you said. For me, I can type as good if not better on a shitty rubber dome keyboard for 15 bucks at school. I care most about sound unless it is impossible to type like literally worse than a keyboard from wish. So for me, sound > everything else. For people who care about the wobble it's good, I was partly wrong
@@idyllicKeyboards I think you put too much focus on getting visual footage of making them wobble. As you noticed, some of them aren't made for PCB alone and in that test their movement is enhanced without a mounting plate.
You ask a lot of questions but give no real answers or opinions on anything so this helps no one decide.
You form an opinion based on other peoples opinion? Is it not possible to think and decide for yourself?
@@idyllicKeyboards no. I can’t form an opinion on something I don’t have. Unless you are suggesting that every tool who is into high end keyboards goes out and buys every switch that some other keyboard tool decided to throw their favorite colors on and tweak just enough not to have zeal cause you of stealing his design that he stole and tweaked just enough that no one calls him a hypocrit because in reality most of them are in Silicon Valley and have to live a life of hypocrisy and virtue signaling. I figured you aren’t suggesting that though because think of the carbon footprint for all of us getting a set of every switch shipped to us just to find out we don’t like it. Think of all the wasted oil that goes into all these switches when if TH-cam channels did their job they could let you know ahead of time “this switch sucks” or “buy this switch”, you could almost use all that oil to drive Bill Gates new yaught that he forsure never has more than five guests on at a time for dinner because then he would be killing your grandma by spreading covid.
Or wait no. You really were trying to make someone look stupid for expecting a keyboard channel to review the product they show us instead of just some b roll and then talking just to hear their own voice. Damn we coulda been circle jerk bro’s
@@ryanisacuc8381 yikes
@@ryanisacuc8381 i laughed at your comment. grow up
@@yiepie9822 amazing comment.
You grew up playing a lot of pokemon, didn't you
Damn Glarses you really have watched every keyboard video on the internet
@@Finn-xm6fb I wasn't lying
@@Glarses mx browns r shit tactiles but are fairly good sounding change my mind
@@tatsuyahasebe7967 Wait until you hear Kailh Box Browns. They thonk deeply.
@@tatsuyahasebe7967 they're better at being a scratchy linear than they are at being a tactile XD
If I didn't cover a switch, its because I don't own it. I pay for all these Switches, Films and Materials myself...
(Like and Subscribe to help me afford more switches and sticky tape 😅)
I just modded my creams with switch films after noticing top housing wobble on nearly all of them, its good to see a video validating me doing so despite everyone saying, as you mentioned "they have tight housings so there is no need".
Which films did you use and did it anything on the sound part? I’m thinking of kebo films since they are the thinnest, but not 100% if filming is worth them.
@@Definitely_Melnyx I've filmed creams with deskeys and they work well. noticeably less woble but I can't really say much on how they change the sound tho
@@hughle9913 Good to know that the deskey films work well with creams, I intended to use these as I have some Alpaca stem swapped creams that have some noticeable stem wobble. Any issues with closing the housing afterwards? I figured because they are a compressible material I shouldn't really run into any issues at all.
Melnyx got the kebo and tried it. Not too expensive from AliExpress. Definitely worth trying cause everyone’s mileage may vary. Personally feel that it only works really well on very loose top housings like even on old switches like Mx vint blacks. Remember that if you tend to open and close them too often they may get also get loose and having them too tight may cause your fingers to feel the vibrations when bottoming out... plus I get bothered when some loose ones had films and some don’t it’s a pain to fit in too and it gives off a plasticy sound too. HAHAHA. it is what it is... fun experience if you enjoy fiddling around.
I'm really impressed by Gateron's and Outemu's surprising quality when it comes to top wobble as opposed to the more expensive switches.
"you're not gonna make a KBDFans board sound like a taeha typing test"
why did u have to rub it in : (
TH-camrs! Please export your audio as loud as you can! That way I don't have to crank my speakers to be blasted into space by an advert.
I was very literally reading this and went: "oh I should lower my OMG MY EARS ARE BLEEDING"....
I got distracted by trying to remember where all the background tracks are from
pokemon emerald!
This is by far the best video on filming I've come across, and in fact one of the best on switches period. Instant sub, super impressive stuff.
Holy shiet man, this is insane. The damn effort put into this video is just mind blowing. Loved the music as well 😍
This video is extraordinarily informative! Thank you so much for this great content! The videography, commentary and thoughts are all very well presented.
Woah, really good video, this actually covers a lot of things that many people on the internet claims and debunks it really well. Very nicely presented too!
Well, he just dismissed the most important point and that is the sound. You honestly don't notice whether the housing is wobbly or not when typing. You can only hear it rattling when it is not tight. So in my opinion it was an fantastic but useless effort.
The most unbiased review I've seen on keyboard stuff ever. That being said thank for the video, helped me clear up if I needed them or not. 👍
This is really great content, pretty much debunks something that everyone keeps repeating. Seems like switch films are definitely a worthwhile mod.
When you wanna film your switches and train your Pokémon team at the same time
Great content! Love the effort and the amount of thought you put into it. Not to mention the amount of work you’ve placed into delivering your questions, yet letting us judge for ourselves with examples, not “benchmarking” this is best and so on cause “to each its own” ya? Everything is experimental and you’ve to see it and do it yourself to believe it...
Really encouraged with such positive cynicism that I definitely resonate with.
Just to share, had an experience of making everything so tight, films, tape, lube, even in soldering that I felt the vibrations through the keycaps(with orings) when bottoming out... it was such a weird feeling that I removed everything and left just the lube... that’s when I knew that doing everything doesn’t necessarily make it better...
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Keep up the good work!
Looking forward to seeing your channel grow and learning more things from you...
ps: you’ve got a brilliant mind.
Thanks for this video m8. Appreciate the hard work and time it must've taken you to do this.
Hey this is very informative and well done. Thoroughly enjoyed.
Well made video with nostalgic music! Love it!
i was paying attention in the beginning then got lost in the gen iii music
Thank you for the video, well explained and clear. I came here after seeing the Deskeys were described as 0.3mm and was worried they were too thick until I watched your video. I wish you showed a demonstration of Halo Clears.
subbed immediately, your content is informative, entertaining, and really well thought out
this is coming from a person w a 10 second attention span for youtube videos
Thanks for this great video. I had Creams myself and I felt that some were much wobblier than the others, this video here was the only one showing the truth and much, much more about films & wobble. Thank you a lot, this video showed all the information and more that I wanted/needed!
thank you so much this video really helps me to make my decision!
Thanks for the vid! Saved me a lot of time trying to figure out if I needed to film my milky yellows or not.
Excellent video, I have a related question: recently got some black inks and lubed/filmed them with tx films (0.125 thickness) i had left over from other switches. I ran out however and got deskeys like films (well rated but off aliexpress). I didn't realize at the time that they're a lot thinner and flimsier. So I installed some of those on the remaining black inks. Now I can't say they're worse at reducing wobble, but it was pretty clear the inks with the thinner/softer films sounded significantly more high pitched (basically the same higher pitch of stock inks except these were lubed). Is this something you noticed too??
Thanks for doing this. Super helpful and detailed.
Great vid. I really liked the ending where you show the wobble on all the stock switches. Would love to see a comparison of the same switches with films to see how much it reduces wobble in each one.
I've had rebranded outemu reds on my first cheap mech and after wiping some lube on the stem because they were soldered the board sounded so god damn good
super helpful video with real data/examples!! going to film my creams :)
This is a wonderful exposition. I specifically thought the "tension" sound test was a very clever way to demonstrate the sound effect of adding films. One omission is that films *will* change how a tactile switch feels. My theory is that it's due partly to the change in travel distance, and partly due to the more-tight housing pressing the slider more tightly against the contact leaf.
Really informative! Cheers for the great vid!
8:54 - the music made me cry
Hi may I ask for the boba u4t, many said that we don’t need to film it as it’s tight. Is this really true? Please let me know if you have tried it thanks
Real MVP vid, thanks man!
Wow, randomly came across this but what a great vid thanks!
Congrats on 1k🥳🔊👆
Which switch do you think has the least wobble without modding?? Ive heard box switches and zealios V2 are good, thoughts?
Thanks for covering this topic :)
which pokémon game is the soundtrack from in 8:54?
Love the commitment to testing assumptions. Science!
Thanks for the video, really helped me to decide if i will buy films, and i will :) againt thank you!
can deskeys films be used in T1s?
Hi, really nice video explaining switch films and it helped me a lot but where did you get those tweezers? 3:34
I wanted to keep listening to that tape sount test at 6:57 hahahaha. This "hobby" is making me insane.
Very informative video btw. Although some sound comparison between the different films on the same switch would have been nice.
can you use these for gateron optical switches?
Do i need to relube when adding films?
Lol how many things can I do to a keyboard. Is switch film and switch lubing the only modifications outside of changing the housing spring or switch cap?
I like this video. Fantastic work
Question, I’m kind of new. What type of films will fit outemu switches? And off topic, is it worth lubing my outemu blues to stop spring ping? Just lube the spring, and what type of lube?
205 grade 0 top and bottom of spring, dont touch stem or u will end up with brown switches
@@martinfigueroa3877 ok thank you!
What size films for Cherry or Kaihl? Thanks.
Love the pokemon ost mate 😍
I love the use of Pokémon BGM.
I need to know what plays at 1:10 D: is it pokemon music?
What camera where u using
The old school Pokémon BGM had me immediately.
Wonderful gen 4 music, thanks for that :D
IMO i'd just film and lube all switches no matter what
also 4:00 do i spot your units are set to inches?
I think my calipers are just playing up, and might need some new ones soon. I occasionally can't get the button to adjust the units on the screen
For a long time I don't really understand what is housing wobble, until I see this video! IMO film doesn't do much with stem wobble, but 100% do alot on housing wobble.
Had to like for the Poke-Emerald surfing music. Thx for the throwback
Lovely Vlog
what does reducing wobble even do?
Can we get a sound test of each one?
Authoritative video on switch films. Thanks.
8:54 song?
Came just in time. Was wondering if I need to film my zilent v2‘s. Ordered switch film anyways. Now I am pretty sure it’s worth it. Keep up the great content :)
Hey ! Did you end up filming them ? Which film did you use ? And how was the result ?
@@jadkhoury7282 still waiting for my case. thanks kbdfans... I went with keebo switch films
Do deskey films fit on novelkey creams?
yes they do I filmed mine with deskeys
film recommendations for lavenders?
bro the Pokemon stadium 64 song brings back so much memories omg
Interesting to see the amount of wobble on these switches. I think larger sample sizes are always better. I'm not volunteering for that job though. 🤣
Pokemon music. That Goldenrod one hit my memory bank hard. I was like, "I KNOW that song! But from WHERE?!"
Even in switches that people say dont need a film, the film will still slightly alter the sound of the switch making it sound a bit deeper. It's preference and miniscule but I prefer a deeper sounding switch. Even though the sound is pretty much determined by your keyboard case, I still feel it's worth it.
I KEEP FORGETING THE NAME OF THE SONG THAT WAS PLAYED AT 1:10 PLEASE HELP
Lake - Pokémon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum 😂
@@idyllicKeyboards Your'e a savior🙏🏽. Ive literally played all the games and forgot the name smh. I also really enjoyed the video and it helped me understand the differences so thank you for the content aswell.
How do you have so few subs? I love your content.
How did u make the vinyl films?
Vinyl Cutter and files from here
geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45931.0
@@idyllicKeyboards Ok thank you. Nice video by the way.
Very good content thanks
6:45 Did he said (Taeha) the TH-camr or Tai-Hao (the brand)?
fucking incredible video. So helpful! subbed.
Your calipers are not in metric at all currently, the moved decimal mentioned is 'thou' or thousandths of an inch (hence the 'in' on the left).
Should be the blue mm/inch button that swaps between metric and imperial (but if it's not working... time for new ones).
So @ 4:15 0.009 is 9 thousandths of an inch or 0.229mm, not anywhere near 0.09mm
For reliable and repeatable measurements in these low ranges consider acquiring a micrometer.
They have a spring / ratchet mechanism to remove the inconsistent element of pressure applied via the tool.
Measurement in metric for anyone interested
@3:57 15 thou = 0.381mm
@4:08 29 thou = 0.737mm
@4:15 & @4:20 9 thou = 0.229mm
Do we have a video on how to improve stem wobble.
Or a video on how to prevent spacebar topout rattle?
In think you’ve just changed the units on your vernier calipers? Use a ruler to check it. But there’s a button there to change the units between mm and inches. In the video, you have it in inches. Hope that helps, sorry if I’m saying things you already know!
Very helpful video. Why do you say that you are not gonna make a KBDFans board sound like a Taeha type test?
Common, simple offerings on KBDfans are tray-mount boards, which I don't think are comparable to the more premium boards which often feature on his channel.
Many things influence sound, here's a document which can help explain further.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15XmznA5T9d4PkfBG0TDS82ou6ihBh0oqr8Aux24SNz0/edit#gid=1883662956
@@idyllicKeyboards Thanks for the info.
th-cam.com/video/FIzCy70Ef6g/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=CB.
th-cam.com/video/p4G7eeWLD1U/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Y0mm_lSuXZc/w-d-xo.html
I am not an expert. But to my ears these sound as good as what Taeha shows in terms of sound. What do you think?
You should consider grabbing a micrometer (if you haven't already!). Calipers are not accurate enough to give you accurate results at that resolution. Very good calipers can be consistently precise, but they tend to not be accurate enough. Micrometers tend to give you both precision and accuracy (and are an overall far more limited use tool!). Great video excepting the low audio volume. Subbed and looking forward to watching your other vids!
THANK YOU. This world of novelty keyboard crap is too fussy! - plenty of us just want the minimum info needed to figure out our preferences without throwing money at recommendations of others. 😄
Also, I’m inferring from this video that keycap wobble is probably going to vary with the age of the switch molds, regardless of the brand/product. So getting minimal wobble means buying for that spec or filming yourself-especially if you’re already opening the switches to lube or whatever.
Zelda song link? Pls
What about the china no name films?
The music so just wow i miss it its like in a arcade centre and playng arcade games, can u put the name of the music in 10:00?
Pokemon Emerald Soundtrack #57 - Surfing
very nice
Great video! For a long time I wanted to use a mechanical keyboard... cool factor, but ever since the using the original logitech cherries.. i was very disapointed of the wobble just putting my fingers on they keys. Then looking for reviews...a lot of reviewer conveiniently leave this out. I checked out the logitech G915 at a store a few years ago, and I like that type of "not wobble" but 💸💸💸. ff almost a decade.. I've given up on the search now.
IMO, The design of most of these have a fundimental flaw.. imo.. being square. they coull easily be metal rount housing. this make holes easier to have manufacturing/molding tolerances. square is hard to manufacture. the cheap housing screems of lazy engineering or that plastic is just too expensive.
FIRE BGM
yeah shake that housing, work it baby
you earned a subscriber just from the pokemon music.
I found that my tfue switches did have wobble but I found it very difficult to close the housings with tx films in them so I left then unfilmed. Idk how other ppl managed to film them
They used different films.
if you use deskey films they can still close even though its tight since they are a softer material. It does still take some force to close them though.
@@ryantriesthings nah some ppl like andy nguyen managed to film them with tx films
yeah it was weird cause some I could film (the ones in the video) but a few days later when I tried filming some other creams with TX, they just wouldnt accept them. So I've just been using deskeys since theyre compressible.
I used medical tape for switch films, sooo hard to do buuuut way cheaper and you can put more on switches that are needs more.. I just takes alot, I mean A LOT of effort and time.
Was going to click away but the music kept me through the whole video haha
This man's budget is 85% tape lmao jk. Thanks for the interesting video.
I use a Sony camera to film my switches. Sure they look okay when filmed with a smartphone, or not filmed at all, but filming them with a camera seems to give me the best result.
Weird... I actually kinda like how there is a little bit of wobble to the switch, you cant have too much of it but i have never found it irritating or bad on mx style switches
This. THIS IS SCIENCE AT ITS FINEST.
As a big fan of the scientific process and logical inquiry, this was a delightful video
random thought. what if you use small amounts of blue tack instead switch films to eliminate switch wobble?
I don't like that you dismissed the sound aspect, it is the most important when filming switches. You honestly don't feel much change in typing. The only thing that is changed is the amount of rattle from the switch. And so filming is an amazing mod and I absolutely love the sound. Still a fantastic effort about debunking myths of tight switches. Still, I think it was wasteful because of no sound.
For this video I wanted to focus on getting visual footage that could show people objective/tangible benefits of switch films, hence why I mention housing wobble in the title because that was the focus of the episode.
I disagree when you say the sound aspect is the most important when filming switches. Typing on taller profile keycaps the differences between wobbly/non-wobble housing are extremely noticeable. The off-center presses are inconsistent and feel horrible, example at 0:25 with the SA keycap.
Hence, I’d argue the performance improvement switch films provide are more important than potential benefits to acoustic, as wobbly housing affect the typing experience and usability. Sound does not affect usability, which is why I argue it’s a soft attribute and intangible.
While the sound aspect is another big factor when it comes to switch modifications, it ultimately comes down to personal preference as to how critical it is. I personally also love to film switches more for the sound profile change than the physical reduction of wobble, but that's not to say that the sound is the most important thing when it comes to filming switches. In addition, it's quite difficult to fully control the content creation geared towards sound profile changes and modifications due to the many governing factors towards sound characteristics. Even something such as the camera and microphone used to record along with headphones or speakers used by a viewer can greatly change expectation versus reality of how these modifications may affect a switch's sound. I'd have to respectfully disagree that the content was wasteful because of having no sound as it was able to remain objective and very scientific and it looks like A LOT of work was involved.
@@idyllicKeyboards Ahahahah Ok I understand what you mean but I will just slap it with preference as you said. For me, I can type as good if not better on a shitty rubber dome keyboard for 15 bucks at school. I care most about sound unless it is impossible to type like literally worse than a keyboard from wish. So for me, sound > everything else. For people who care about the wobble it's good, I was partly wrong
@@idyllicKeyboards I think you put too much focus on getting visual footage of making them wobble. As you noticed, some of them aren't made for PCB alone and in that test their movement is enhanced without a mounting plate.