Thank you for this video. I liked your choices of components and bought the same stuff except I opted for the 26 mm bolts so they don’t hang so far out the back. Got them on tonight and a set of tire chains. It should really be a snow pusher now.
LOL! very nice video with lots of information on correct spacers and wheel bolts. i have an older GC2300 and am installing wheel spacers. the only part that did make me laugh was your wood "lever and fulcrum" to lift that "giant" wheel onto the wheel bolts. i grew up on a farm in W.Va. and have worked on cars and trucks all my life. generally, I just pick wheels and tires up and place them on the axles for anything smaller than a one ton truck. watching you do all that "stuff" with the wood lever and worrying about not "contacting the bolt threads" did make me laugh out loud. sorry, no offense intended. thanks for the video and the information.
@jimharvard no need to apologize. It's fair game to poke fun at because it is funny to watch. You'd die laughing if you'd see how I do certain things around here while trying to protect the back and also get crap done.
Great video, Redneck Ed. I've considered putting some spaces on my Massey GC1710 but haven't found a need after using the tractor for about five years now. Thanks for the install video. You're soon going to hit your 1000 subs and wish th best to you. It seemed to take me five years to hit 1k subs but I guess my content wasn't enough to draw in more subs. Anyways, good work and wishing you the very best. Have a fine new year. Don 👍🏽🤠 1/8/23
I used the Amazon spacers for over 2 years. I used the red loctite and torqued them down. I believe I just set the brake to torque them. And my tires are filled and I use crow bar to set them up on the hub. These spacers are not hub-centric and I would not use them on my jeeps. But for this small tractor they should be fine.
Are you using the same Titan brand Amazon spacers or another Amazon brand? I was thinking red, but honestly this is my first time using thread lock so I went blue and also paint penned them for a visual check. The break probably would have worked, but I like having the torque wrench in a consistent position so I don't "torque" my back. Crow bar, what a great idea! After many years with a crappy one, I upgraded 2 years ago to a bar that would definitely work for this job. I'll give that a try next time. Thanks!
Do you feel that loading the tires would have given you enough stability without the spacers ? also do you like the 2" or do you think 1 1/2 or 3" would have been better ? Also, what about the warranty ? I know filling the tires won't void your warranty, but will the spacers ? trying to decide which one to do or both ? Thanks !!!!!!
Spacers seem to be a lot about feeling more stable and less about actually being more stable. They seem to give a very small additional margin of error. Weight is really the answer for stability and safety. Fill the tires and run low centered weight on the 3 point hitch. I added spacers mostly for some additional clearance for tire chains. I wouldn't run 3" and I'm not sure I'd run any spacers at all if I had a backhoe because that's going to be putting a lot of stress on the axle all the time due to the weight (>600lbs) and length of the backhoe. Not sure about warranty. Focus most of your attention on ballast weight and operating slowly and safely. Spacers are only a small additional margin for last line of defense.
How do you like the wheel spacers ? Can you tell a difference stability wise ? Also, did you use the 26mm thread length on the new lugs ? And are your tires filled ?
I purchased 30mm length which was longer than needed, but cheaper than the 26mm at the time. You know how Amazon prices fluctuate randomly for no apparent reason. Also, my rear tires are filled. It definitely feels more stable on the hills, but not so much that I expect it will ever magically save me from rolling over. It's just a tiny bit of margin from what I can tell. Still worth it though for a little extra safety.
No, you have to look at the hub bore too like I mentioned in the video. Look at the Titan site again. The black finish is currently sold out, but they have 2" spacers in stock that are identical to what I purchased except with a silver finish. There are also 1" versions on Amazon that are in stock.
I think 2" is plenty, and I almost wish I would have only done 1.5". There is some extra axle strain, especially if you are carrying around a lot of rear ballast or a backhoe attached nearly all of the time. I look at spacers as a way to add a small amount of safety margin. It's not preventative IMO or to be used in place of loaded rear tires, proper rear ballast, carrying front loader loads low to the ground, etc. I have another video showing weights and ballast to give you an idea of the amount of weight present on the rear axle. Oh, and the wider wheel stance also sling more mud up on the side of the tractor if that matters to you.
These thing are in widespread use with no reports of issues across multiple sub compact brands, so it's a risk for each owner to weigh. I'm curious though, did you dealer talk about actual reported issues and issues specific to warranty? I can't imagine that the entire tractor warranty would be an issue. Wheel spacers have nothing to do with things like the hydraulic pump or engine for example. I personally am considering wheel spacers as a seasonal item only for use with chains to provide more clearance, but I haven't decided yet.
Any reply to my previous question? Did the dealer talk about specific reported issues they have seen and what specifically on the warranty would be "voided" if you use spacers? Lots of people use these spacers without issue, so the evidence for them not causing harm over a broad range of tractor types and brands is overwhelmingly positive. Not saying the risk is zero, but it seems to be almost negligible vs the slight added benefit of some additional stability.
This is point that many people argue. They say the front axle is the pivot during rollover, so adding rear spacers does virtually nothing. I think this argument is based on the idea that the source of a rollover is going to be your loader bucket being too high and heavy. To your question, front spacers should help some but most people don't do that because of the strain on the front axle and axle seals. Watch my other video showing weight distribution and ballast. It shows that about 60% of the tractor weight is on the front axle even with an empty bucket.
Oh and on the belly mower comment, I don't have a mmm, but I believe others have said that 2" works but 3" is too much. Not sure if that varies depending on whether you have a 54" or 60" belly mower.
You are not alone. If I were one of those guys who worked their tractors really hard, 2" would worry me more. For me though, I don't have a MMM or 3 point mower or really any implement that even uses the PTO shafts. The hardest implement I use is the box blade. 1" spacers may still be in my future or I may just take them off completely except for in the winter. On the other hand, lots of people have spacers up to 3" and I'm not seeing instances of cracked transmission housings or busted rear axle seals on either the GC or BX forums.
You spent how much money on the tractor, the spacers, the everything else but you don’t have any metric sockets? In 2024? Unbelievable! I guess I just don’t understand why somebody is Pennywise and dollar foolish. 12:30
Yes, its 2024 and I understand fully that many people can not resist the urge to critique other peoples actions. This is the world we live in. An entire video centered around the concept of trying to help other people with product selection and you're focused on the fact that the 2 times prior to this video that I went to the store looking for that 22mm socket, the shelf was empty.
Thank you for this video. I liked your choices of components and bought the same stuff except I opted for the 26 mm bolts so they don’t hang so far out the back. Got them on tonight and a set of tire chains. It should really be a snow pusher now.
Glad the video helped. 26mm is the better approach for sure. I wish I would have done that, but too late now.
Good information, Thanks Ed. I'm thinking of getting a set of spacers for my tractor.
LOL! very nice video with lots of information on correct spacers and wheel bolts. i have an older GC2300 and am installing wheel spacers. the only part that did make me laugh was your wood "lever and fulcrum" to lift that "giant" wheel onto the wheel bolts. i grew up on a farm in W.Va. and have worked on cars and trucks all my life. generally, I just pick wheels and tires up and place them on the axles for anything smaller than a one ton truck. watching you do all that "stuff" with the wood lever and worrying about not "contacting the bolt threads" did make me laugh out loud. sorry, no offense intended. thanks for the video and the information.
@jimharvard I have two buldging discs in my lower back, so I can't risk lifting stuff like that anymore.
@@Redneck_Ed well, i apologize for my comment. it was not intended to be rude. after i posted, i thought you might have some kind of physical issue.
@jimharvard no need to apologize. It's fair game to poke fun at because it is funny to watch. You'd die laughing if you'd see how I do certain things around here while trying to protect the back and also get crap done.
Great video, Redneck Ed. I've considered putting some spaces on my Massey GC1710 but haven't found a need after using the tractor for about five years now. Thanks for the install video. You're soon going to hit your 1000 subs and wish th best to you. It seemed to take me five years to hit 1k subs but I guess my content wasn't enough to draw in more subs. Anyways, good work and wishing you the very best. Have a fine new year. Don 👍🏽🤠 1/8/23
Thank you for the kind words. I hope you have a great new year too.
Thanks for putting these videos together, they’re very helpful. How are the spacers holding up after a year or so?
No issues. I checked bolt torques and pen marks a few weeks ago and everything is still tight.
Hey there Ed, enjoy and use you videos, Thank You! have you considered do the spacer on the fronts?
I used the Amazon spacers for over 2 years. I used the red loctite and torqued them down. I believe I just set the brake to torque them. And my tires are filled and I use crow bar to set them up on the hub. These spacers are not hub-centric and I would not use them on my jeeps. But for this small tractor they should be fine.
Are you using the same Titan brand Amazon spacers or another Amazon brand? I was thinking red, but honestly this is my first time using thread lock so I went blue and also paint penned them for a visual check. The break probably would have worked, but I like having the torque wrench in a consistent position so I don't "torque" my back. Crow bar, what a great idea! After many years with a crappy one, I upgraded 2 years ago to a bar that would definitely work for this job. I'll give that a try next time. Thanks!
@Redneck it's some off the wall brand on there. Its cnc made out of T6 aluminum. Good video as always. Looks like we do allot of the same things.
Do you feel that loading the tires would have given you enough stability without the spacers ? also do you like the 2" or do you think 1 1/2 or 3" would have been better ? Also, what about the warranty ? I know filling the tires won't void your warranty, but will the spacers ? trying to decide which one to do or both ? Thanks !!!!!!
Spacers seem to be a lot about feeling more stable and less about actually being more stable. They seem to give a very small additional margin of error. Weight is really the answer for stability and safety. Fill the tires and run low centered weight on the 3 point hitch. I added spacers mostly for some additional clearance for tire chains. I wouldn't run 3" and I'm not sure I'd run any spacers at all if I had a backhoe because that's going to be putting a lot of stress on the axle all the time due to the weight (>600lbs) and length of the backhoe. Not sure about warranty. Focus most of your attention on ballast weight and operating slowly and safely. Spacers are only a small additional margin for last line of defense.
Thank you for the quick response. That answer definitely helps !!! Love the videos !!! Thanks again !!!
Good information would like a set for my B7800 Kubota
How do you like the wheel spacers ? Can you tell a difference stability wise ? Also, did you use the 26mm thread length on the new lugs ? And are your tires filled ?
I purchased 30mm length which was longer than needed, but cheaper than the 26mm at the time. You know how Amazon prices fluctuate randomly for no apparent reason. Also, my rear tires are filled. It definitely feels more stable on the hills, but not so much that I expect it will ever magically save me from rolling over. It's just a tiny bit of margin from what I can tell. Still worth it though for a little extra safety.
I really like your video I would like information on ordering what I need to do this to my tractor 1723 a Massey Ferguson
Check out the video description for links to the products I used.
Hi Ed
Great vid . Will any 5 x 4.5 spacers work on the 1725m.
The titans are out of stock for a while . Thanks john
No, you have to look at the hub bore too like I mentioned in the video. Look at the Titan site again. The black finish is currently sold out, but they have 2" spacers in stock that are identical to what I purchased except with a silver finish. There are also 1" versions on Amazon that are in stock.
Do you think the 2” spacers where enough or would you go with 3” next time?
I think 2" is plenty, and I almost wish I would have only done 1.5". There is some extra axle strain, especially if you are carrying around a lot of rear ballast or a backhoe attached nearly all of the time. I look at spacers as a way to add a small amount of safety margin. It's not preventative IMO or to be used in place of loaded rear tires, proper rear ballast, carrying front loader loads low to the ground, etc. I have another video showing weights and ballast to give you an idea of the amount of weight present on the rear axle. Oh, and the wider wheel stance also sling more mud up on the side of the tractor if that matters to you.
You will void the warranty on the 1723 I asked my dealer about spacers before since I have uneven land. Hopefully it works out for you.
These thing are in widespread use with no reports of issues across multiple sub compact brands, so it's a risk for each owner to weigh. I'm curious though, did you dealer talk about actual reported issues and issues specific to warranty? I can't imagine that the entire tractor warranty would be an issue. Wheel spacers have nothing to do with things like the hydraulic pump or engine for example. I personally am considering wheel spacers as a seasonal item only for use with chains to provide more clearance, but I haven't decided yet.
Any reply to my previous question? Did the dealer talk about specific reported issues they have seen and what specifically on the warranty would be "voided" if you use spacers? Lots of people use these spacers without issue, so the evidence for them not causing harm over a broad range of tractor types and brands is overwhelmingly positive. Not saying the risk is zero, but it seems to be almost negligible vs the slight added benefit of some additional stability.
Does adding front wheel spacers make a difference? Also would these interfere with a belly mower?
This is point that many people argue. They say the front axle is the pivot during rollover, so adding rear spacers does virtually nothing. I think this argument is based on the idea that the source of a rollover is going to be your loader bucket being too high and heavy. To your question, front spacers should help some but most people don't do that because of the strain on the front axle and axle seals. Watch my other video showing weight distribution and ballast. It shows that about 60% of the tractor weight is on the front axle even with an empty bucket.
Oh and on the belly mower comment, I don't have a mmm, but I believe others have said that 2" works but 3" is too much. Not sure if that varies depending on whether you have a 54" or 60" belly mower.
I'm still on the fence as to what stress these will cause
You are not alone. If I were one of those guys who worked their tractors really hard, 2" would worry me more. For me though, I don't have a MMM or 3 point mower or really any implement that even uses the PTO shafts. The hardest implement I use is the box blade. 1" spacers may still be in my future or I may just take them off completely except for in the winter. On the other hand, lots of people have spacers up to 3" and I'm not seeing instances of cracked transmission housings or busted rear axle seals on either the GC or BX forums.
You spent how much money on the tractor, the spacers, the everything else but you don’t have any metric sockets? In 2024? Unbelievable! I guess I just don’t understand why somebody is Pennywise and dollar foolish. 12:30
Yes, its 2024 and I understand fully that many people can not resist the urge to critique other peoples actions. This is the world we live in. An entire video centered around the concept of trying to help other people with product selection and you're focused on the fact that the 2 times prior to this video that I went to the store looking for that 22mm socket, the shelf was empty.