TIPPY TRACTOR? WHEEL SPACERS INCREASE TRACTOR STABILITY! 🚜
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I'm asked almost daily on how to improve lateral stability of tractors. Many of us tractor owners aren't blessed to live on perfectly flat ground it once you've felt that tippy feeling, it's hard to forget about it the next time you hop on your tractor. So, how do you improve lateral (side to side) stability of your tractor? I believe it's a combination of solutions including lowering your center of gravity (COG) as well as simply widening your tractor's stance.
If you add more weight to your tractor that is closer to the ground, then you will be improving your center of gravity. Common solutions to achieve a lower COG include adding liquid ballast weight to your tires as well as adding wheel weights to your rear tractor wheels. Of course, the added benefit is also counterweight while using your loader as well as additional traction when pushing with your bucket or plow or pulling a ground engaging tool.
The other popular way to improve lateral stability is to add wheel spacers to your machine. This is something that tractor owners have been doing since the dawn of time. One thing that you do want to consider is if you have a mid mount mower deck. This could potentially interfere with your rear gauge wheels or brackets depending on how wide of a spacer you purchase. Take some good measurements ahead of time to see what you can get away with. However, I have seen some folks do away with their rear gauge wheels or even cut off or reweld in a new location to allow for a wider spacer.
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When I was a kid on the farm back in the late 70s-80s, we had a Sears Craftsman garden tractor. I believe it was a 24 horse tractor. It had hydraulics, a small loader, rear (belt drive) tiller, front (belt drive) snowblower and, obviously, a mid mower. It also had an optional dual rear wheel kit from Sears and was very stable. Looking at your Deeres duals, the sidewalls appear to be touching. If so, that's not good. You need at least a couple inches of open space or the sidewalls WILL be damaged, either by rubbing together as they flex, or, by debris getting jammed between them. Look at ANY truck or large piece of equipment with duals and you'll see what I mean. It does look cool though. Our Craftsman wasn't old back then but, it would probably be considered "vintage" today. It was a silver tractor and you don't see many around these days, especially the way ours was equipped. That's the way dad ordered it out of the Sears catalog though.
Thanks for the awesome video buddy .I like that tire setup you got on the back of your tractor it looks like it would be safer when mowing hills and ditches .Thanks again
Thank you sir!
First week with my 1025r on my hilly property and felt like I was going over twice. My wife doesn't want me using the tractor anymore cause it was pretty close. Cant go dually with the MMM soooooo spacers and fluid filled looks like the best option.
Those solutions will make a big difference for sure.
This dude is awesome. Really helpful stuff. Keep it up brotha.
So i get why a wide wheel base is more stable..so why dont the tractor manufacturers design and make tractors that have wider wheel bases. Jeep did on their CJ series...
Instead of spacers you could also just flip flop the wheels and tires by putting,them on the opposite side. That also spaces them out wider as well
Agreed, but not the same for many of these smaller tractors.
I did that already thanks
When I got my 755 tractor, I switched the wheels to the opposite side, giving me the widest footprint. But it's only 4 feet. Lift the bucket on a slope.. let's not do that again. As he says, keep the load low.. I'm going to get the spacers.
Thanks for the video
I just installed 3" spacers on my 2025 loader backhoe JD only to find out that the rear left tire does not clear the step-up to the backhoe - do I have to modify the step or do they make a replacement step for this problem - I've owned and utilized JD tractors on my ranch for several years and utilized your channel to make modifications and repairs- thanks for all your help -
I own 9 JD dealerships in Canada and spacers will void your warranty if JD finds out. We install them on small equipment and have never had a problem. If there was an issue then we just dont mention that to JD when entering the warranty card
Do you have anywhere in warranty paperwork that states it voids warranty? I've never been sent a John Deere warranty document that states it voids warranty. Also, I've seen some models list spacers as an available option which seems to be just the opposite. Just seems to be a whole lot of confusion around it. Thanks for sharing and I'd love to buy your clean trade-ins!
@@GoodWorksTractors It doesn't specifically mention spacers but fine print in the warranty states any item altered or modified will not be covered under warranty. With that one line they have now said you void your warranty. So example, you put on spacers and a wheel bearing goes right after. If that dealer puts in the write up that there was spacers JD wont cover it. If they dont mention the spacers it may be covered. Then again a bearing is also considered a "wear item" and may not be covered depending on hours. I find that JD as a dealership owner has some of the strictest warranty around and will ask alot of questions about the maintenance history of the customers machine. I've had on numerous occasions pay for a customers bill out of my pocket because JD said they wouldn't cover something. Dont want to lose a customer especially a repeat customer over something that you think should be covered
@@GoodWorksTractors clean trade ins don't last very long here. Spacers are listed in the book and are an option, but an option that JD may say you have now altered the hubs. I've seen them go as far as void transmission warranty on a gentleman who put different size tires on. That one I ended up flipping the bill because JD wasn't budging and the customer has been with us for years
@@DD-be8ev My argument would be that putting a wheel spacer on doesn't alter or modify the actual hub. Drilling additional bolt holes into a hub is altering or modifying the actual hub itself. Merely bolting on a spacer doesn't alter or modify the actual hub itself. That's an issue that would have to argued in a court.
I put 3" spacers on my L3901. Mainly for chains. But it made a world of difference.
How hilly is your land
@@jimmywoodard4371 I live on the side of the foothills of a mountain. At first, it was a bit scary but I learned what routes I can take and the spacers helped.
One other issue you'll have to consider when adding wheel spacers is that you will probably end up with a FEL bucket that no longer covers the rear tire outside to outside width. This might also be applicable to rear 3PH implements like a box blade. Not being able to cover the rear tires can be a real detriment for many situations.
Correct, want to consider it. Many snow plows and snow blowers are already wider than the tractor, land planes, rear blades, etc also can easily run wider than the machine. Some folks even run 60" tillers.
So far, no concerns with running dual rear tires which are far wider than any spacer. In fact, I ran a 72" pusher (albeit only 3-4" of snow) and couldn't believe that it pushed it with ease even without additional ballast weight. Just a side note.
Mounted my spacers (for chains) for FEL stabilization. 3 inches each side. Also reduces sway during driving. Much more comfortable ride. Try: TheTracksCompany.com
@@davidcarleton6928 Thanks, I just sent them an email!
Seems to me that someone should make a magnetic or bolt-on inclinometer for tractors. Simple is best, so maybe a tilting arrow or a bubble level stuck or mounted to the hood (or the dashboard) of the tractor..... 4x4s and RVs got 'em...why not tractors?
I’m a cheapskate - after a little research I bought 2” Ford Ranger spacers off eBay for $35 + extended BMW wheel studs for $15, been on my 2018 GC1705 for a couple years.
Do you know the part numbers for the spacers and wheel studs? I also have a GC1705. Do they help with stability?
NO, it's not ridiculous ! it's ultra mega super insane cool . 🤪😎👍
Courtney, I’ve been trying for two weeks to get a hold of you and I asked for 4 inch rear spacers for my 4300 to 3 to 3 1/2 for the front con you give me The pricing on these
We don’t and have never sold wheel spacers. We also have responded to every email we’ve received. If you don’t see a reply from us, then check your spam.
Good job!! Be sure to run those outer rears at a lower pressure than your inners.. example Inner at 30 psi Outer at 20.. about 20 -30 % less... relieves strain on your axles. Certainly don't want to break anything ...
Something to consider...There is a risk that the spacers could crack.
Although the risk is minimal, there are rare situations where you might have one of the wheel spacers crack while operating the tractor. The most common reason for this issue to occur is an installation error or incorrect bolts being used, but since it is an add-on part, there is not always control over the quality that you can use. A vast majority of operators will never encounter this issue.
Yeah, I'd say that's simply a boilerplate disclosure similar to "driving a tractor is dangerous" or "breathing air could increase your chances of contracting COVID" :)
Agreed. The Bora spacers are milled aluminum. That said, I do check them. On my tractor I can see the rear sides of them. Also, I have to remind myself at some point to check the torque on the bolts.
I have a hilly 5 acres, and I can only drive my Kubota BX2380 on a small fraction of it. It felt very tippy, so I added 3" billet aluminum rear wheel spacers, rear wheel weights and rimguard in all 4 tires - I am still not comfortable. I rented a skid-steer to build a driveway - felt a lot safer!
Thanks for sharing!
Thiss not available in India how can buying this product.
I know wanted wheel spacer did my research and found out. " Section 14- pg.8" This will reduces the life of the axle and can not be used with the loader .Operator should reduces his 3 point lift cap. do to the change to aluminum housing and steel axle spread be wider. on my 3033r
Read a little closer and you'll see that this only applies to the front axle, not the rear axle. That should put your mind at ease. Rear axle is where you really want them anyways.
if you’re worried about warranty, just take them off before you take the tractor in the dealership for the work.
With dual wheels, I have to question the obvious and additional stress on axle bearings, bushings, seals (whatever) and possible axle wear that is likely to occur. Yes, your footprint weight is reduced due to additional foot print area on the ground. Still, additional stress has to incur on the standard tractor equipment.
Why aren't you also questioning wheel spacers?
@@GoodWorksTractors same question applies to spacers. Placing the exerted weight farther from the tractor's axle rotating bearing point has got to result in higher stresses on the axle, bearing (hopefully not bushings) and seals. It's simple engineering analysis.....incidentally, which I are am!
From the Devil's advocate...
How do you know these tractors aren't engineered to handle that type of load?
Do you prioritize personal safety or equipment longevity?
I've had my duals on for the majority of a year. I will keep them on as long as I own the tractor. I prioritize safety and I also don't mind my tractor being a Guinea pig for everyone else's potential benefit :)
@@GoodWorksTractors I hear and understand your safety point. As a previous tractor owner/operator of over 30 years, safety is a big deal with me...always. And, I don't know that JD engineered the machine to take such forces over the long haul. That's a point I WILL research thoroughly. Understand that my questions are not "challenges"....
I hear ya. I highly doubt they were engineered to take wheel spacers or duals on these smaller machines. I only say that because otherwise I feel like there would be readily found information in manuals, brochures, websites for OEM offered spacer and dual setup solutions. However, they do recommend ballasting tires and even stacking wheel weights on many models, so there is some design consideration for an additional load. Albeit, not necessarily a load protruding further away from the axis.
Not challenge perceived, I worked with engineers for many years. I'm not one myself, but like to pretend sometimes :)
Best tractor g.
Really like your videos TH-cam
Thanks!
I only use my 3520 for mowing my yard with cab. Trying 2 get a smooth side by side 2 not beat me so much. Any comments? I mow 11 acres.
The latest JD 2 series brochure shows 2.4 inch wide wheel spacers as an Optional Attachment. If they are selling them, how can the dealer argue they void warranty?
Don't shoot the messenger! 😂
Agreed... I've seen wheel spacers shown in several different JD CUT brochures and through John Deere's own "Build Your Own" configurator. One has to assume that at least their own JD supplied wheel spacers would not void the tractor's warranty, and indeed be covered under that warranty. YMMV for a "third party" wheel spacer.
It's not the dealer saying it, its JD. If you alter or modify something it may possibly void your warranty. By adding spacers you have now in JD eyes altered/modified the hubs
If you get the agricultural rims on your kubota You can offset the wheels to stick out further therefore you don't need the wheel spacers. I see problems with those wheel spacers I don't like them.
You may have the answer I am looking for. I don't have a fancy new tractor but a year ago I bought a 1984 430 Diesel garden tractor and painstakingly restored it back to original. Every option. Do you know if I can buy a front spindle with lug nuts? It has 1" axles and that seems pretty stout to be held by a snap ring.
I"m not aware, but sure love those tractors! Jealous!
Say you have pretty soft soil in areas and you tend to sink in when you break the top few inches of topsoil, will dual rear wheels will that mitigate this, give me more traction and spread out the weight of the tractor over more surface area of soil?
Ah, yes. Sooner or later all of us have an encounter with the "sinister sidehill!". Won't forget that anytime soon.....
Have a great weekend Belinda!
@@GoodWorksTractors you & yours also Courtney!
My wife was watching this video over my shoulder. Not that she shares my tractor interest, but she picked up real quick on the University of Louisville t-shirt !! GO CARDS!!
Haha, yeah wondered if that might draw any comments :)
@@GoodWorksTractors not gonna hold the Tshirt thing against you ...Go Gamecocks !
i have a 3025e what size do you think would be good for my tractor have very hilly land
Does this add stress to axle or bearings?
I'm about to get some 2" Aluminum spacers for my 2025r which will still allow me to use the MMM. I'll use the GWT discount code thanks!
Nice, hope they work out well for you!
Where in the hell is John Deere on this Saftey issues?
Thanks for all of the videos...always great info. I use a carry all on my 2320 often and I'm constantly wishing I had more weight on the front end but I don't wantto spend the money on the suitcase weights. So, I'm looking at liquid losing the front tires...do you find the loading the tires negatively affects ride quality at all?
I think loading the tires helps the ride personally...not sure if that is the case for everyone though?
I have a 2032r and was considering the 1.5" Bora spacer for the front because I want to add chains for plowing. However, I am concerned with any issues by adding spacers because of your comments about not using front spacers with loaders. My plow mounts in place of my loader. I need room for the chains because they will hit the axle and tie rods. Will the spacers cause problems? Thank you
Great video Courtney - Thanks as always for keeping us informed and providing valuable options for our tractors....
Thanks CCC!
Question for you: Assuming you don't have to worry about clearance issues, is there a "best" wheel spacer width to go with for my 3038e? My knee jerk reaction was to go 6" once I felt that tractor tip for the first time, but I don't see many installing that wide of spacers.
I'm not sure there's a cut and dry answer, but I would be inclined to go with 3".
@@GoodWorksTractors thank you for the fast reply. Do you feel inclined to go with 3" to balance stability with wear and tear on axles? Or what made you feel inclined to go 3"? Thanks again
Yes that's pretty much the reason.
Seems here in Northern Kentucky there isn't a lawn anywhere without a slope. Mine is no exception. In some spaces it's gotta be near 30°, maybe more. Dual wheels would probably a wise addition but concerned about making it fit with the mid mow deck.
11/30/21, Now instead of dual wheels (2 sets of OEM), would wider wheels be available for a given model? Usually (I live in farm country, S. Jersey) you get the big tractors/combines/harvesters often w/8 wheels---dual all around. Many semi trucks will substitute larger/wider single wheels instead of duals.
Do I have to install spacers on front as well as rear? And do they need to be same size?
Just saw this video and heard the warranty claim about adding after market stuff to a product. Check out the Magnuson-Morris Consumer Protection Act which basically says a warranty is not voided by an after market product that does not change the operation of the product it is placed on. Had a Harley dealer tell me a trailer hitch would void the warranty on my Trike, showed him the act and he suddenly decided it would not. Manufacturers do not like to mention Magnuson-Morris but will follow the law.
Can dual wheels be put on a 1025r with a 60 inch belly mower?
No sir
What’s the rear wheel bolt pattern on a Kubota BX2680? And are the bolt patterns the same as John Deere and others?
I'm not sure, but BORA has a whole drop down list to make sure you order them for your correct model. You can also give them a call directly if needed to make sure you get it right. Thanks.
5 years with my bota. I'm getting old as my bravery is waning. Too many pucker incidents. Ordered a 1.5 set today. Hope they are as good as everyone says.
What rear size spacer do you recommend for a John Deere 1025R with a 60 inch cutting deck? Do you have a recommendation for a front spacers?
can a strong, regular, thread stock of somkind be used on the hubs, front and back axle, of the JD1025R to mount the wheels onto & tighten them down with regular lugnuts instead of using "included" lug mounting bolts to mount to wheels onto??? i want to put on good strong wheel studs! Do ya think that would be a good idea???
So why does Deere, or Kubota, Branson and others install spacers from the factory. Or simply make the diff wider? Thanks
I've been thinking of adding wheel spacers on my John Deere.
Great video as always. I am in the process of purchasing a kubota B2601 and want to get 2 inch rear wheel spacers. I love the Bora that you used on your Deere. Can you tell me what the Bora part number that I would need? The dealer wanted $1,100 to install them for me. So I want to add them on myself to save money but am struggling with finding the correct size on line. I am open to buying them from any distributor that is reliable and fairly competitive on cost. Thanks, Mike
Where did you get that grab bar on the 1025r
Came with the backhoe.
I’m in I live in Louisville my tractor is a John Deere 3320 recommend spacers Aluminum
I saw a comment from a kubota mechanic on another video about spacers and he said the stress will wear out the wheel bearings prematurely...
I hear it all the time. My answer is "so what?". I take safety over longevity every time. Besides, I've yet to see a study of any kind showing how much axle or bearing life is shortened. I have seen studies on tractor rollover accidents though. That seems more painful :)
@@GoodWorksTractors good point
Would you happen to know if the spacers for the 1025 would fit a Mahindra eMax 20s? Trying to get some space between the tire and frame to add some tire chains.
Just ordered my spacers from Bora. Thanks for the video.
RIP Wheel bearings....
Hi! I was just looking online trying to see if there were other brands of wheel spacers. It seems sort of universal that Bora wheel spacers are the best. So how do I pick the size that fits a Kubota L 4060?
Was wondering if these wheel spacers will work on a Mahendra 1626.
I hate these on trucks but they are going 75mph , hub centric spacers aren't as detrimental to small slow tractors
How can I get a quote for a set of 6” spacers for my Kubota BX25 ?
I did ask my dealer if wheel spacers would void my warranty; he said he does know the answer
And, the answer is?
@@SH-ij3df That's the best answer I got, "I don't now." I'm still wondering what to do.
If you put 2" spacers on the back, do you recommend putting them on the front as well?
Not sure on that yet, I bought them to try it out. Some will say that they won't help on the front axle as it pivots anyways. Also, gotta be careful not getting too wide of spacers and turning tires into the loader supports on some models.
You did it because you want and like it lol
It look mean with duels
Haha, yes sir. :)
Can you run a 54" Mower deck with spacers on the rear?
I figured it out
Do you tell people that there $500.00 a pair and a Machine shop local to their area , would Make em for 1/2 that price ? Or are you Interested in selling anything as long as there's Kickback coming ?
Hey, go get them made locally, email me the paid invoice and let me know how they fit on your tractor. Until then, you’re just blowing hot air ✌️
can I get a wider wheel and tire for my 1025r
Great video, as always. Yours is probably the best compact tractor channel on TH-cam.
I appreciate that sir!
On a B2920, is 3" too much? And do you believe the aluminum spacers are OK to use?
I've seen 3" on the B Series before. I've seen aluminum and steel on many tractors. Just my two cents.
@@GoodWorksTractors I just ordered the 3" aluminum. I'll let you know how this works out.
Thank you!
@@NHHalKnowsHow Still waiting for the report. Thinking 3" as well for a new LX2610 purchase. Seems to be about the same frame.
@@bokchoy335 The 3" Bora spacers worked perfectly! I also added a ballast box and what a difference that made pushing snow this last winter!
I'm curious to see how these last on a tractor. Usually when I see them on a truck they fail due to over stress and can be catastrophic. Pretty interesting.
What size can I use with my 54 deck
The wheel bearings and axles are not designed to have the wheels pushed out like that.
How do you know that?
WHY IS THE PRICE SO HIGH FOR THE BORA WHEEL SPACERS??? THEY REALLY RIPE YOU OFF
Price so high compared to what? China? These are made from USA materials, with USA labor, and include a Lifetime Warranty. Up to you if you want to support American or Chinese made products. It's a free country.
... and don't forget to mention that spacers are illegal in some states for automotive road use..
Why is that?
Are you still affiliated with Bora - the discount code isn’t working?
Thanks in advance
They are our channel sponsor, but we aren't able to provide a discount for their products.
Sorry. Realized I just replied to your other comment!
Repping the ‘Ville today ehh?
Yes sir, spring vacation from 5 or 6 years ago. But, lived in Kentucky for several years as well :)
I’m about 1.5 hrs from LVille
Nice. Not sure if you know where it is, but I went to college at Lindsey Wilson College in Columbia, Ky.
D o you know if BORA make wheel spacers for the Mahindra Max XLT 26 tractors
I'm not sure, BORA doesn't respond to my inquiries anymore.
Why would you need them on a Max 26 xl (which I have)? The Max 26 xl already has a wide stance.
@@joyceweaver6949 i have put Bora wheel spacers on 2 1/2 on the front and 3'' on the rear . They made the world of difference when on the hill side and when having the Grappler in the front end.
So you made an informurtal and no information
What do they use for liquid ballast these days?
RimGuard, TL-90, washer fluid, water (in the south) are common solutions. JD's manuals still state a mixture of calcium chloride and water.
So you said the tires were filled about 3/4 full of ballast but, how much air pressure do you put in?
They (tire shop) normally recommend running a little less than normal as it'll allow it to ride a little smoother.
I have used it for side to side bouncing I think if you put the Spicer one it should help that even more anybody got any comments on that?
Here in Michigan the local place uses beet juice and oil to fill the tires doesn’t rust your rims and really adds the weight
Is it possible to find the same system for my JD 3036e ? I need to adapt this tractor at 52 inches track width ..
I'm really not sure, sounds like a European model?
Good Works Tractors Yes I’m a French farmer and I’ve a 3036e it’s sounds like 3038e but with a number 6 ahahah
If it’s possible for you , we can exchange by email. Pretty easy :)
I just added spacers to my 1025R and found that the new wheel weights I bought from John Deere will not bolt on. The studs on the spacers protrude further than the wheel bolts did. When I measured the difference, it seems that the wheel weights hit the studs a quarter inch before they seat properly. Is it just me, or has anyone else had this problem?
When someone knows better but sells out to sell you something that is going to cause problems
I'm getting tired with John Deere as manufacturer. They sell a light "tractor" made with cheap and below average materials which is not usuable at all. The tractor is expensive enough and If you want a heavy, ready-to-use machine you have to pay again. Rear hydraulic is also Missing, no metall, there are a lot of Problems Overall. I've decided to sell my JD 3032E and buy a Yanmar, or a Tym. they are far more a tractor that these light E series will ever be. John Deere really needs to improve their quality, or lower the prices to stay in competition.
As I recall, GWT gave his opinion on the worst tractors to buy. There were two specific Kubota models, all the BX series, several JD E-models and most interestingly, the all the rest of the OTHERS other than Kubota and JD. You might want to review that video.
It for sure puts more stress on the bearings in the axle due to levering the weight of the machine further away from the bearings. Leverage can produce benefits and break things as well!
how do i determine what size spacers to go with on my tractor?