I bought the 1723E new with the skid steer bucket and 60in mower deck to maintain the 6 acres of land that came with the house I bought and planning to have a little hobby farm. The dealership had what I thought was a good deal on it and paid just a little over 13 for the whole set up.Growing up on 60 acres and being used to running my dad's 40 horse tractor too maintain the land, do chores, and other miscellaneous projects around the house I'd have to say I'm extremely surprised at the capabilities of 1723e. I bought it because I needed a mower and didn't want to buy new garden tractor every couple of years like my neighbors. They always had issues with the gas mowers. And it had the bucket so I didn't have to shovel the driveway. It's just like he stated. It can do what the big ones can just at a slower rate. I'm more than pleased with it. I've used it mostly to plow snow but right before the snow hit I cleared about acre of thick brush by pulling it right out of the ground, I've leveled alot of uneven places, I even built a 5 ft berm to have a 100yrd range. All with just the bucket. The things moved at of dirt and even more snow lol. I'm kicking my self in the ass for not getting the backhoe but to be honest I wasn't expecting this thing to preform the way it does. I would definitely recommend this little tractor for people in the same boat as me.
Great job on this video, I actually remember watching this video before I bought my GC1725M, and before I was subscribed to the channel and I found it unbiased and informative, well done.
I noticed Tim comment on how hard the seat springs were. I bought a set of lighter springs( actually like the middle spring) and it softened up the ride!
I just bought the GC1725MB and can't wait to get to using it. It's a beautiful machine and I'm glad to see that you seemed to give a thumbs up on the functional aspects.
9:42 tractor does not have float detent valve so the box lifts dumping rock where you did not anticipate. I 3d printed a lever lock just so the box stays on the ground.
I used to sell those little tractors and we sold New Holland... the New Hollands are junk but the Massey's are very good solid little tractors. I sold those GC1725Ms and they're great little tractors
I got a 2018 GC1710, so the model just before they upgraded to tilt steering wheel and loader joystick on the fender. Yeh, there are definitely some issues there with ergos, (updated design didn't seem to help that), but you could do some things to make it more comfy. Really, the main culprit is that terrible seat. I ditched it along with the turntable mechanism, installed a skid steer seat with a folding back. Way less wobble now, I sit lower on the tractor, and closer to the controls. And now, when working the backhoe, I just flip the back of the seat down and sit on top of it when facing the backhoe...a PIA chore turned into a split-second operation.
Bought 1725M in 2020 brand new, got the 10 year warranty option since it was only $500 extra. Love the tractor, we work 2 Acre field with it, we grow pumpkins, gourds, squash, we do all work with this little tractor, it has never let us down yet. If you get the backhoe option then you will sacrifice seat comfort like me. If you get it without backhoe, you will get better seat. I also use my machine for hire. At $60/h I charge I am constantly busy, on Saturday I did a little back yard work for someone, well it was little for me because it took me 2.5 hours and made $240. Leveling the backyard, using Woods 48.3 tiller to loosen up the sod and then using bucket to move soil. Great machine to make some extra cash. Also with Massey/Fendt dealership I deal with they have a great mobile support should I need it. I had employee discount available for Kubota and John Deere but chose Massey Ferguson for two reasons... 1. It is just as good as John Deere or Kubota if not better, honestly you can go with any of those tractors and they'll do the job, more often than not equipment fails due to poor maintenance not because you didn't buy good tractor. 2. Both John Deere and Kubota dealerships in this area have iffy reputation and are further away.
Congratulations. I think $60/hr is too cheap. You are not making any money. Just trading tractor hours for cash. Check out our recent episodes on pricing.
@@TractorTimewithTim I will definitely look into it. I wasn't aware of episode on pricing I only subscribed recently and I am new to the channel but I would like to watch that.
I liked the two person reviews and really liked the demos. Another Great review! I am still waning between the 1025R, BXand the Massey. Wish we had such demo ares near me. Thanks Tim and Glen
so I have 4 acres. I would be using my the Massey subcompact tractor for moving dirt/sand / and gravel and maybe some gardening. In your opinion is this a good tractor and capable of doing the above mentioned jobs ? the price is also very good on the Massey and that's also a plus for me.
The Deere is a much nicer machine. Especially when dealing with the mid mount mower. Used 1025r’s are selling competitively now…$11,000 sometimes at auction. The Massey is ok. Just not as easy to deal with.
I’ve got a 1705 and I love it. Stock it idled right at 1000rpm. I backed the screw out so it idles about 9-950 now. I also turned the fuel screw up and it really opened her up. Way more responsive seems to run a bit smoother
Seems like they all have their strong points and if anything based on this vid and the farm show vid, Massey seems to marginally have the best backhoe. They'll get the rest of it better refined and we may one day be having to do serious comparisons between Orange, Green, AND Massey Red. I'm sure New Holland would like a bigger piece of the action too.
My local dealership (Dey's Equipment Centre) near Tillsonburg, Ontario told me that just few years ago they used to sell around 10 per year, but they saw increasing demand each year. Last year, so 2020 when I got mine in August they already had 28 sales and this year they sold out completely and not sure how many they sold but I think due to Covid-19 supply interruptions it limits their sales, I know after I bought mine in August they went on to sell several more so likely well over 30. So this machine is gaining popularity very quickly, and with 10 year warranty I think it is a nice option. My machine only has about 350 hours on it but runs like the day I bought it. There are things I like and dislike on it, but I am sure that would be the case with every machine.
I just bought a 2021 GC1725ML because of this video. Amazing tractor and does everything I ask of it with very little hesitation. My only failure was pulling out some 3 inches diameter Russian Olive bushes. The tractor spun and chewed up the area pretty bad. I did eventually get it yanked out but it was a struggle. Next time I'm going to "loosen" the stumps with the loader first. Thanks Tim (and Glenn) for a very unbiased review!
How did you feel about the seat/ergonomics when on a 1725M vs the 1723E? Did the 1725M feel upgraded? I have an older 1710TLB that I adore except for the seat.
I got my GC1705 in 2017 and they updated the seat later that year. I got my dealer to give me the new seat. I can’t say that it greatly more comfortable than the old one. It is more of a bowl. I love my tractor and find the tractor comfortable for me to use for hours. Maybe I just am not used to a more springy seat. I think this was a fair representation of what I would say after 150 hours in the seat. I don’t have any issues with my leg hitting the 3 point but mine has the loader stick on the side of the tractor. That did look like fun!
These backhoes have the most bucket breakout force of any subcompact by a large amount and the only diesel that makes peak power under 3000 rpm. The highest lift capacity with a detachable bucket too. However only JD has position control!
Enjoyed the video and the Massey is a fine unit. But an overriding consideration for me is the local availability of a dealer, (as has been pointed out) and the nearest Agco dealer is around an hour away. That may be old school in todays vast info world, but there is value in having local dealer with expertise and good sales and service. I’ll stick with my Deere. Thanks again Tim and family!
Good to see Herminator !Good video Tim you didn’t look too comfortable to me on the Massey and someone else said ROPS looked low. Thanks for video. Jdmich
Hey Tim, Steve from Litchfield. I just bought the GC1723E with that woods scraper and love it! I also have the woods rc4 mower tiller and pallet forks.. I noticed it didn't look like you had the seat all the way back.
Tim, The one thing I noticed was the ROP seems to be a bit short. Your head was at the same height as the top or the ROP. So, not much protection IF it should roll over. Did you notice? Look at the video.
Tim running the grapple, someone in the background using a backhoe, almost looks like a giant sandbox for adults haha. Made me think of the old little sandbox backhoes for.kids at the parks that stay in the ground.
Great review Tim thanks... Some of the things that which I'm interested in: is the weight of a tractor, hydraulic power, engine RPM at work, how heavy the front axle housing is, engine cooling system, and if the steering tie rod is behind the axle or in front. Tim was the seat all the way back, I assume it was, and is their a better seat option? .
I have an older Massey 1023 I bought it new back in 2006 to be honest I didn't try out a bunch of tractors but when I sat on the Massey and tried it I knew it would meet my needs. I have never regretted buying it and has done all I have asked of it and more.The ergos on mine are fine and I"m a big guy the only minor issue I had was the seat spring mechanism broke after a few years but than I'm 300+ Lbs so I don't fault the tractor. I might of considered a Deer but they seemed to be a bit pricey compared to mine of similar size and power.
i have two older compact Massey tractors GC2300 series. one has the loader and 60 inch mower deck and the other one is just the tractor that i use with a back blade, rotary tiller and 5' brush hog. i have not babied either of these tractors. i have done landscaping with the loader tractor digging and spreading tons of gravel and top soil. i have loaded rocks and concrete pieces on my dump truck with the loader. these tractors have plenty of power and will spin all four wheels in the dirt under full throttle when digging or loading. these tractors will operate fine at about half throttle although higher revs does provide maximum power. i have about 250 hours on the tractor only and about 1700 hours on the loader tractor and have had no maintenance or repair problems. i plan on purchasing a new Tractor/Loader/backhoe GC1725M priced at around $18,500. you cannot find any other NEW piece of equipment for that price that will do everything a GC1725M will do.
best wishes Tim. i watch your videos a lot and as a fellow Christian, appreciate your "Biblical" references in some of the videos. i grew up on a 142 acre farm in W.Va. and still own our family farm, although it is now basically a "game preserve" and a "significant" retirement asset as Chevron has the property under a gas and oil Lease included in three separate well units. i think it's great that you and your wife work on project together. i married a "girlie-girl" fifteen years my junior and she finds my infatuation with "earth moving equipment" "entertaining" - "but not for her."
Tim, when can we see a comparison in the field? I just bought a 1723e with the FL series loader with ssqa, a landpride 54" grapple, Massey 3rd function, 60" mid mount mower, trailer mover and a box blade with ssqa front attachment. Loving it so far. Next attachments on my must have list... piranha tooth bar, tiller and ssqa forks. Also lights.... The GC's stock lighting definitely fails.
Add-on diverter valve. Push the button and the flow is rerouted from the bucket dump rams to whatever the attachment does with it. Exact installation details vary by tractor and diverter valve kit, but they can be added to just about any machine with a front loader.
One thing I noticed was that it seemed to bounce when you transitioned from forward to reverse when you was on the tractor with the land plane on it. It seems to me that the land plane might be to big for the tractor. I agree that it’s a powerful little tractor
I think aside from the odd ball ways of massy Ferguson. The are the toughest tractor for the money. I have a 180 and a 135. Both antiques and will work all day and the whole night too
@@walterdavis4808 What I meant was they certainly aren't what they used to be. The older tractors were iron horses that would last forever. Today's small tractors are aluminum and plastic with Shibaura engines. It is much the same when comparing old Ford 8N tractors with the newer offerings Ford had. Or worse, the LS stuff they re-badge today.
@@eosjoe565 the old perkins are almost indestructible. I haven't hat too much seat time on the newer " globally sourced" tractors, except a JD that isn't really that great except that it is reliable.
i have a 2019 1725m and i think the reason with ergomics is for 1 the fuel tank is underneath the seat where the 1025 is in the fender i think that is why you sit higher plus the seat on 1725 is the same with a deere 1023 the seat on a 1025 is probably 2 inches thicker than a deere 1023 plus replacement cost for seat on 1025 is 1,000 dollars!plus i paid 12,600 dollars for massey and the john deere 1025 is about 16,000 dollars
I think you need to talk to the finance committee about getting one of those land levelers for your operation. There are probably several jobs where it would work better than a box blade.
The one thing I found as an operator of that tractor I didn't like was how high the seat sat up on the backhoe machines in the forward position. Felt like you were always leaning down to reach any of the controls
Tim I just bought a Massey Ferguson GC1725m and I have a buzzing noise after operating this tractor for longer than a few minutes. I have never owned a tractor before and I do not see anything in the owner's manual about it. Do you know what this warning buzzer might be from?
No idea, sorry. Call your dealer. Not to drive the knife in further, but this is one of the reasons I recommend staying with the ‘big .2’. Much more ‘community information’ available since so many more folks own them.
I have a MF GC2610, very similar to your test tractor. It's a very capable little tractor. But, I do agree with you that the 3-point hitch lever is in a poor location. No other complaints, though.
The ROPS is useless at that height. Take an imaginary line and draw it from the top of ROPS to the front edge of hood and see where Tim's head falls. But I agree my garage would not have the header dings it has now;
It s not worthless. It meets standards which is 6’ and it keeps you from having to fold it and having a canopy sitting 3’ above your head if you wanted one
I know as a fact, a gc1710 will pick up 880lbs on idle, and 1100lbs throttled up to 2000rpm. I proved it to a Kubota owner when he said it couldn't be done. The Iseki engine and hydraulics is hands down the best of the subcompacts I tried out (Kubota, JD, Mahindra, NH). The front mount snowblower is unbelievable for distance and only having to operate at 2200-2500rpm. Too bad Massey seems to be overshadowed by the orange and green just because of the "if it's not green/orange, it's junk" mentality without ever trying it out.
@@TractorTimewithTim The 880lb steel table was picked up high enough to back a 2wd Tacoma under it. The 1100lb, I only went about maybe waist high at most to put on a trailer, high enough to make it over the trailer fender, backhoe attached for both, chained to the loader
I bought a 1725. Can't go wrong at all. I really wanted the 1025. Kabota, 9 miles away. JD 14 miles away. Massey, 7 miles away. Speed knob and the seat on all of them are not great. 3 point handle? Ugh. 5000 difference. I'll sit on it. Lol. I got the digger, deck and the bucket. I'm not a massey guy, lol. 1135 and a 2805, spent lots of summers in them. Deere. Cadillac. My 1725 blows my mind everyday. Got a neighbor with a 25 ish horse kabota. He's always trying to smoke me in whatever one can do. I play along. Running this thing all summer I like that the air through the radiator comes from your feet instead of from the front.
OK, here is my opinion, keep going if you care. This machine is actually made by Iseke (not sure if spelled correctly). Have spent time in Europe and they have mostly Deere or Iseke. I have NEVER seen an older Iseke that isn't a rattle trap. Not sure if it relates to the machine or how they take care of them but they do not appear to age well. Also, in agreement with Tim, they just do not seem to fit well. Haven't run one over time but not comfortable for me a 6' 1".
i also noticed people talked about rops bar yes im 6ft and fits fine for me the bar is solid not hinged i guess you could be taller than the bar and that wouldnt be safe of course but i also see so many people put rops bars down to get in and out of garage then are lazy and never put them back up just saying plus 1725 will go right in a standard 7ft tall door no problem and with 3 or 4 inches to spare
The relationship with the dealer is important. I chose a MF because of this. Several brands close by, but they stood out and have already proven themselves in after sales support.
@@beekeeperzo my kubota and case dealer use to sell masseys but he gave it up on them and even exmark mowers too because parts to exspensive and he trys sell the best of case and kubota and case because parts are cheaper for them and best warrantys plus discounts too plus all the masseys uses perkins diesel engines
Christie and how come you have so many tractors? And I'm curious why don't i see some of Casey on some of the digging projects? Plus on good tractors i just seen a 2018 minny Jonny with a cab on it just like on the John deer big tractor
thanks for sharing the video I really enjoy you testing other brands, overall it seems to be a nice tractor it's too bad the factory didn't cheeseburger test the seat. Massey Ferguson advertises this model tractor to turn lower RPM for less engine wear
Before my wife purchased my new JD 1023E, I had looked at a MF??? at a local dealer that I had gone to school with (over 50 years ago). At the time I was struggling with a 40 year old Hinimoto E 150 D that I had used since 1995... (parts no longer available). Anyway, we went on a saturday morning to the MF dealer and he had sold the model he had and didn't think (I was serious about getting a new tractor... Afterward, we went to the local JD dealer (no longer owned locally (Tulles) and they had one for me in less than a week... We had a major job that we needed to do on our farmstead... I am happy with my 1023E and it does a lot of work!!!
I like your videos but i'm wondering why you haven't ever had any challenger compact tractors in them.I have a 255B challenger compact that is a 2005 model gear drive that I bought in new 2008,i would be just assuming that it didn't sell because it is a gear drive vs a hydro,however I wouldn't even consider trading it for a hydro of any brand.I may some day try a shuttle shift transmission but I really like my challenger,is it fancy,no,everything is mechanical which is what I wanted vs electric buttons. Would love to see a challenger in upcoming videos. Thanks, Kevin Jones.
I don't think there are any new Challenger compact tractors anymore. ...and honestly, I've never seen one. I'm assuming they were made by someone else? Maybe LS?
Yeah,I'm not sure if they're are new ones or not. But like most of them they were built in korea or china.Mine come from a caterpillar dealer which caterpillar and or agco still sells new challenger tractors.
You know, as much as it gets maligned the feature I'd be happy with the most if I ever need it (heaven forbid) would be an effective ROPS. Just based on appearance, it seems to me that the newer bent ROPS on the JD 1 series would be my choice if you forced me to roll over a small tractor.
I was considering a MF GC1720TLB at one time but then your JD vs Kubota loader capacity video had me thinking green. Now you had to go muddying the water again. I would like to see a MF vs JD comparison series :)
Tim... Have you considered doing a per ever 4 to 6 weeks. Video on other brands compact tractors? I know you do these random non JD videos and yes I think they are well received because not every viewer has a JD. Person I don't own a compact tractor. But I enjoy your "show and tell" mature videos of various models and brands!
I recently purchased the 1723 the only issue I have is it seems a little underpowered when using my finish mower. I have some hilly terrain that I cut between that and the PTO running it should have a few more horsepower. I couldn't see spending $2,000 more for the 1725 because it uses the same engine just runs at a higher RPM hopefully someone will post how they crank them up to get the extra two horsepower
No, I would use the summit-hydraulics.com/ttwt solution for rear AND front Hydraulics. You need the power beyond on the tractor. Other than that, you should be good to go.
Seems like the box scraper was a size too big for the tractor. And it looks like the 2 are a size too small for a tall operator. Sure was a nice test setup.
I’d love to have you review all the sub compacts. I liked the Massey I played with locally, but still it seems the 1025R is the only one with a 3 point position setup
MooMan86 I have the GC1705 which mechanically is the same with different ergonomics. Position control would be my #1 improvement. I can live with the loader and mower.
Massy Ferguson had something like this at the world ag expo this year but they told us that it was only for people who would be possible customers I was not in the market for a sub compact but if I were my experience with them would turn me away
Hi Tim I really enjoy your channel, I am in the market for a subcompact tractor and i have been looking at MF, Kubota, and JD. I stopped at a dealer yesterday who sells both MF and K and figured it would be a good opportunity to compare both side by side, Both tractors are very nice and over all very similar to each other in a lot of way. When it comes to MF I was looking at the 1725m and cant stand the seat and the steering wheel but it seems like an overall bigger tractor compared to the bx2680 when it cones to size and capacities. My next stop will be at the JD dealer this week. At the end of the day you have operated them at all could you provide a fair comparison of all three?
I bought the 1723E new with the skid steer bucket and 60in mower deck to maintain the 6 acres of land that came with the house I bought and planning to have a little hobby farm. The dealership had what I thought was a good deal on it and paid just a little over 13 for the whole set up.Growing up on 60 acres and being used to running my dad's 40 horse tractor too maintain the land, do chores, and other miscellaneous projects around the house I'd have to say I'm extremely surprised at the capabilities of 1723e. I bought it because I needed a mower and didn't want to buy new garden tractor every couple of years like my neighbors. They always had issues with the gas mowers. And it had the bucket so I didn't have to shovel the driveway. It's just like he stated. It can do what the big ones can just at a slower rate. I'm more than pleased with it. I've used it mostly to plow snow but right before the snow hit I cleared about acre of thick brush by pulling it right out of the ground, I've leveled alot of uneven places, I even built a 5 ft berm to have a 100yrd range. All with just the bucket. The things moved at of dirt and even more snow lol. I'm kicking my self in the ass for not getting the backhoe but to be honest I wasn't expecting this thing to preform the way it does. I would definitely recommend this little tractor for people in the same boat as me.
I can't imagine getting one w/o a backhoe but even the Deere dealer seemed surprised about that. Glad to hear you're pleased with your Massey.
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Great job on this video, I actually remember watching this video before I bought my GC1725M, and before I was subscribed to the channel and I found it unbiased and informative, well done.
I noticed Tim comment on how hard the seat springs were. I bought a set of lighter springs( actually like the middle spring) and it softened up the ride!
I just bought the GC1725MB and can't wait to get to using it. It's a beautiful machine and I'm glad to see that you seemed to give a thumbs up on the functional aspects.
Congratulations!
9:42 tractor does not have float detent valve so the box lifts dumping rock where you did not anticipate. I 3d printed a lever lock just so the box stays on the ground.
Yeah, two FEL functions at once is great. Love that about my B2650. Those look like fantastic demos of some great little machines.
I have a 1723e and agree with the location of the 3pt lever. I wondered myself why they don't reverse the range shift and the 3 pt
I used to sell those little tractors and we sold New Holland... the New Hollands are junk but the Massey's are very good solid little tractors. I sold those GC1725Ms and they're great little tractors
1723eb here with a 60 inch deck….you won’t be disappointed with the massy..unbelievable how strong of a unit they are
I got a 2018 GC1710, so the model just before they upgraded to tilt steering wheel and loader joystick on the fender. Yeh, there are definitely some issues there with ergos, (updated design didn't seem to help that), but you could do some things to make it more comfy. Really, the main culprit is that terrible seat. I ditched it along with the turntable mechanism, installed a skid steer seat with a folding back. Way less wobble now, I sit lower on the tractor, and closer to the controls. And now, when working the backhoe, I just flip the back of the seat down and sit on top of it when facing the backhoe...a PIA chore turned into a split-second operation.
Bought 1725M in 2020 brand new, got the 10 year warranty option since it was only $500 extra. Love the tractor, we work 2 Acre field with it, we grow pumpkins, gourds, squash, we do all work with this little tractor, it has never let us down yet. If you get the backhoe option then you will sacrifice seat comfort like me. If you get it without backhoe, you will get better seat. I also use my machine for hire. At $60/h I charge I am constantly busy, on Saturday I did a little back yard work for someone, well it was little for me because it took me 2.5 hours and made $240. Leveling the backyard, using Woods 48.3 tiller to loosen up the sod and then using bucket to move soil. Great machine to make some extra cash. Also with Massey/Fendt dealership I deal with they have a great mobile support should I need it. I had employee discount available for Kubota and John Deere but chose Massey Ferguson for two reasons...
1. It is just as good as John Deere or Kubota if not better, honestly you can go with any of those tractors and they'll do the job, more often than not equipment fails due to poor maintenance not because you didn't buy good tractor.
2. Both John Deere and Kubota dealerships in this area have iffy reputation and are further away.
Congratulations.
I think $60/hr is too cheap. You are not making any money. Just trading tractor hours for cash.
Check out our recent episodes on pricing.
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I will definitely look into it. I wasn't aware of episode on pricing I only subscribed recently and I am new to the channel but I would like to watch that.
We have a couple of episodes in the last month or two.
BTW, welcome to our channel!
Massey makes some of the toughest tractors you can buy!! I’m a Massey Guy!!
I liked the two person reviews and really liked the demos. Another Great review! I am still waning between the 1025R, BXand the Massey. Wish we had such demo ares near me. Thanks Tim and Glen
Could you tell me the best place bto place my floor jack and jack stands as I need to remove both rear wheels to have Rim guard put in them?
Very beautiful thanks Massey Forgosen
so I have 4 acres. I would be using my the Massey subcompact tractor for moving dirt/sand / and gravel and maybe some gardening. In your opinion is this a good tractor and capable of doing the above mentioned jobs ? the price is also very good on the Massey and that's also a plus for me.
The Deere is a much nicer machine. Especially when dealing with the mid mount mower.
Used 1025r’s are selling competitively now…$11,000 sometimes at auction.
The Massey is ok. Just not as easy to deal with.
Want to see MF 1725 vs deere 1025r. Please tell me you will do it. Want to see the load, mower ect.
Can you do Messi vs John Deere
Not usually a Massey fan, however I do like the tie down locations on the front. Just like a CAT.
I’ve got a 1705 and I love it. Stock it idled right at 1000rpm. I backed the screw out so it idles about 9-950 now. I also turned the fuel screw up and it really opened her up. Way more responsive seems to run a bit smoother
I need a trailer to haul mine on dont no what kind to get any recommendations
Seems like they all have their strong points and if anything based on this vid and the farm show vid, Massey seems to marginally have the best backhoe. They'll get the rest of it better refined and we may one day be having to do serious comparisons between Orange, Green, AND Massey Red. I'm sure New Holland would like a bigger piece of the action too.
My local dealership (Dey's Equipment Centre) near Tillsonburg, Ontario told me that just few years ago they used to sell around 10 per year, but they saw increasing demand each year. Last year, so 2020 when I got mine in August they already had 28 sales and this year they sold out completely and not sure how many they sold but I think due to Covid-19 supply interruptions it limits their sales, I know after I bought mine in August they went on to sell several more so likely well over 30. So this machine is gaining popularity very quickly, and with 10 year warranty I think it is a nice option. My machine only has about 350 hours on it but runs like the day I bought it.
There are things I like and dislike on it, but I am sure that would be the case with every machine.
I just bought a 2021 GC1725ML because of this video. Amazing tractor and does everything I ask of it with very little hesitation. My only failure was pulling out some 3 inches diameter Russian Olive bushes. The tractor spun and chewed up the area pretty bad. I did eventually get it yanked out but it was a struggle. Next time I'm going to "loosen" the stumps with the loader first. Thanks Tim (and Glenn) for a very unbiased review!
Speaking of ROPS, Tim it looks like your head is part of the ROPS overall system.
It makes you wonder. The Massey ROPS seems a bit short and the one on my Gen-1 2-series needs a beacon for low-flying aircraft.
How did you feel about the seat/ergonomics when on a 1725M vs the 1723E? Did the 1725M feel upgraded? I have an older 1710TLB that I adore except for the seat.
I got my GC1705 in 2017 and they updated the seat later that year. I got my dealer to give me the new seat. I can’t say that it greatly more comfortable than the old one. It is more of a bowl. I love my tractor and find the tractor comfortable for me to use for hours. Maybe I just am not used to a more springy seat. I think this was a fair representation of what I would say after 150 hours in the seat. I don’t have any issues with my leg hitting the 3 point but mine has the loader stick on the side of the tractor. That did look like fun!
These backhoes have the most bucket breakout force of any subcompact by a large amount and the only diesel that makes peak power under 3000 rpm. The highest lift capacity with a detachable bucket too. However only JD has position control!
I wonder if Tim would enjoy starting a Compact Tractor Show? 🤔
I am sure he could get plenty of local dealers and some private owners to show up... 😊
Enjoyed the video and the Massey is a fine unit. But an overriding consideration for me is the local availability of a dealer, (as has been pointed out) and the nearest Agco dealer is around an hour away. That may be old school in todays vast info world, but there is value in having local dealer with expertise and good sales and service. I’ll stick with my Deere. Thanks again Tim and family!
Agree. Local dealer is top priority.
Red ones are so pretty and go faster.
Good to see Herminator !Good video Tim you didn’t look too comfortable to me on the Massey and someone else said ROPS looked low. Thanks for video. Jdmich
Hey Tim, Steve from Litchfield. I just bought the GC1723E with that woods scraper and love it! I also have the woods rc4 mower tiller and pallet forks.. I noticed it didn't look like you had the seat all the way back.
One thing I noticed is there is no both holes in the rims for holding wheel weights on you have to drill your own
Tim,
The one thing I noticed was the ROP seems to be a bit short. Your head was at the same height as the top or the ROP. So, not much protection IF it should roll over. Did you notice? Look at the video.
I like my Massey. I went from Kubota bx2200 sub compact to a utility 2605H...what a difference
Tim running the grapple, someone in the background using a backhoe, almost looks like a giant sandbox for adults haha. Made me think of the old little sandbox backhoes for.kids at the parks that stay in the ground.
I really liked this setup. Unfortunately, they don’t do it anymore
I have a jd 3046r because of you guys, I wish you'd do a loader lift capacity on a 3r
We’ll get the opportunity sometime!
I volunteer mine for testing purposes!
@@scribbleOG check out tractoruniverse.com ...sign up there. New community site where we can discuss. We might be open to testing with your machine.
Great review Tim thanks... Some of the things that which I'm interested in: is the weight of a tractor, hydraulic power, engine RPM at work, how heavy the front axle housing is, engine cooling system, and if the steering tie rod is behind the axle or in front. Tim was the seat all the way back, I assume it was, and is their a better seat option? .
Most of that you can see in the specs.
I have an older Massey 1023 I bought it new back in 2006 to be honest I didn't try out a bunch of tractors but when I sat on the Massey and tried it I knew it would meet my needs. I have never regretted buying it and has done all I have asked of it and more.The ergos on mine are fine and I"m a big guy the only minor issue I had was the seat spring mechanism broke after a few years but than I'm 300+ Lbs so I don't fault the tractor. I might of considered a Deer but they seemed to be a bit pricey compared to mine of similar size and power.
mrelectron62 I have a 1428v hydrostatic drive with 1520 loader
i have two older compact Massey tractors GC2300 series. one has the loader and 60 inch mower deck and the other one is just the tractor that i use with a back blade, rotary tiller and 5' brush hog. i have not babied either of these tractors. i have done landscaping with the loader tractor digging and spreading tons of gravel and top soil. i have loaded rocks and concrete pieces on my dump truck with the loader. these tractors have plenty of power and will spin all four wheels in the dirt under full throttle when digging or loading. these tractors will operate fine at about half throttle although higher revs does provide maximum power. i have about 250 hours on the tractor only and about 1700 hours on the loader tractor and have had no maintenance or repair problems. i plan on purchasing a new Tractor/Loader/backhoe GC1725M priced at around $18,500. you cannot find any other NEW piece of equipment for that price that will do everything a GC1725M will do.
best wishes Tim. i watch your videos a lot and as a fellow Christian, appreciate your "Biblical" references in some of the videos. i grew up on a 142 acre farm in W.Va. and still own our family farm, although it is now basically a "game preserve" and a "significant" retirement asset as Chevron has the property under a gas and oil Lease included in three separate well units. i think it's great that you and your wife work on project together. i married a "girlie-girl" fifteen years my junior and she finds my infatuation with "earth moving equipment" "entertaining" - "but not for her."
Nothing wrong with a ‘girlie-girl’!
Go red all the way Tim
Good video Tim you did a good job operating that machine thanks buddy
I am not liking that weird steering wheel. Why don't they make the column longer and put a regular steering wheel on there?
My Massey GC2610 is a great little tractor! I like the ergonomic features of the old series. But that’s just what I’m used 2.
Tim, when can we see a comparison in the field? I just bought a 1723e with the FL series loader with ssqa, a landpride 54" grapple, Massey 3rd function, 60" mid mount mower, trailer mover and a box blade with ssqa front attachment. Loving it so far. Next attachments on my must have list... piranha tooth bar, tiller and ssqa forks. Also lights.... The GC's stock lighting definitely fails.
Looking good on that there Red Tractor Tim
Tim are you aware of a company that offers a loader handle that has a built in button for third function for the deere 1025R
Check Deere P/N LVA24251. This is the control knob installed with BLV11143, 3rd Mid SCV for the 1 series. ($$$)
How did the grapple on the front work? Did they add a third function?
Add-on diverter valve. Push the button and the flow is rerouted from the bucket dump rams to whatever the attachment does with it. Exact installation details vary by tractor and diverter valve kit, but they can be added to just about any machine with a front loader.
One thing I noticed was that it seemed to bounce when you transitioned from forward to reverse when you was on the tractor with the land plane on it. It seems to me that the land plane might be to big for the tractor. I agree that it’s a powerful little tractor
I think aside from the odd ball ways of massy Ferguson. The are the toughest tractor for the money. I have a 180 and a 135. Both antiques and will work all day and the whole night too
Those old Massey's were real work horses. Unfortunately the only thing they have in common with these new tractors is the color and logo. :-)
EOSJOE wrong!
@@fishaman1980 are they as good as they ever were or always no good?
@@walterdavis4808 What I meant was they certainly aren't what they used to be. The older tractors were iron horses that would last forever. Today's small tractors are aluminum and plastic with Shibaura engines. It is much the same when comparing old Ford 8N tractors with the newer offerings Ford had. Or worse, the LS stuff they re-badge today.
@@eosjoe565 the old perkins are almost indestructible. I haven't hat too much seat time on the newer " globally sourced" tractors, except a JD that isn't really that great except that it is reliable.
Thanks Tim
Be safe out there
Was there a difference in the seat between the gc1723e and the gc1725m?
Armrests.
i have a 2019 1725m and i think the reason with ergomics is for 1 the fuel tank is underneath the seat where the 1025 is in the fender i think that is why you sit higher plus the seat on 1725 is the same with a deere 1023 the seat on a 1025 is probably 2 inches thicker than a deere 1023 plus replacement cost for seat on 1025 is 1,000 dollars!plus i paid 12,600 dollars for massey and the john deere 1025 is about 16,000 dollars
So.. WHEN are you going to get your new tractor???
I think you need to talk to the finance committee about getting one of those land levelers for your operation. There are probably several jobs where it would work better than a box blade.
Great video Tim 🚜
Pretty hard to hang two attachments on a skid loader too ...
I have the 1734e its not to bad can get little 2 function
Basically about the same as a 3 serious deere
Lol love the competition at end. Now try at home with johnny
The one thing I found as an operator of that tractor I didn't like was how high the seat sat up on the backhoe machines in the forward position. Felt like you were always leaning down to reach any of the controls
Yep. I agree. The steering wheel design magnifies that feeling.
Tim I just bought a Massey Ferguson GC1725m and I have a buzzing noise after operating this tractor for longer than a few minutes. I have never owned a tractor before and I do not see anything in the owner's manual about it. Do you know what this warning buzzer might be from?
No idea, sorry. Call your dealer.
Not to drive the knife in further, but this is one of the reasons I recommend staying with the ‘big .2’. Much more ‘community information’ available since so many more folks own them.
Huge price difference. I couldn't afford that
Obviously, this was your choice. No worries. Plenty of room for opinions.
There may be a Massey Group on Facebook which could help you.
Great video
I have a MF GC2610, very similar to your test tractor. It's a very capable little tractor. But, I do agree with you that the 3-point hitch lever is in a poor location. No other complaints, though.
That triangle hazard sign, I'd have to move it rather then looking around it
That ROPS is so low! Garage doors everywhere would appreciate that.
The ROPS is useless at that height. Take an imaginary line and draw it from the top of ROPS to the front edge of hood and see where Tim's head falls. But I agree my garage would not have the header dings it has now;
Completely worthless. My garage doors fit my kubota without folding it. But even if it didn't I wouldn't want that short rops
It s not worthless. It meets standards which is 6’ and it keeps you from having to fold it and having a canopy sitting 3’ above your head if you wanted one
@@fishaman1980 looks too low for a taller operator. And I'd prefer a taller rops being almost 6'2"
I know as a fact, a gc1710 will pick up 880lbs on idle, and 1100lbs throttled up to 2000rpm. I proved it to a Kubota owner when he said it couldn't be done. The Iseki engine and hydraulics is hands down the best of the subcompacts I tried out (Kubota, JD, Mahindra, NH). The front mount snowblower is unbelievable for distance and only having to operate at 2200-2500rpm. Too bad Massey seems to be overshadowed by the orange and green just because of the "if it's not green/orange, it's junk" mentality without ever trying it out.
Pick up how high?
@@TractorTimewithTim
The 880lb steel table was picked up high enough to back a 2wd Tacoma under it. The 1100lb, I only went about maybe waist high at most to put on a trailer, high enough to make it over the trailer fender, backhoe attached for both, chained to the loader
Will a one axale trailer haul this tractor
Not very well.
What do i need is a two axle trailer
Just got home from the beach and Trying to catch up on your video. Thought of TTWT and family when I saw a JD raking the beach.
I bought a 1725. Can't go wrong at all. I really wanted the 1025. Kabota, 9 miles away. JD 14 miles away. Massey, 7 miles away. Speed knob and the seat on all of them are not great. 3 point handle? Ugh. 5000 difference. I'll sit on it. Lol. I got the digger, deck and the bucket.
I'm not a massey guy, lol. 1135 and a 2805, spent lots of summers in them. Deere. Cadillac. My 1725 blows my mind everyday. Got a neighbor with a 25 ish horse kabota. He's always trying to smoke me in whatever one can do. I play along.
Running this thing all summer I like that the air through the radiator comes from your feet instead of from the front.
OK, here is my opinion, keep going if you care. This machine is actually made by Iseke (not sure if spelled correctly). Have spent time in Europe and they have mostly Deere or Iseke. I have NEVER seen an older Iseke that isn't a rattle trap. Not sure if it relates to the machine or how they take care of them but they do not appear to age well. Also, in agreement with Tim, they just do not seem to fit well. Haven't run one over time but not comfortable for me a 6' 1".
My 1023 E seat is much the same, bottoms out as soon as i sit on it. I need to upgrade something there.
Would bottom out with 100lb driver!
i also noticed people talked about rops bar yes im 6ft and fits fine for me the bar is solid not hinged i guess you could be taller than the bar and that wouldnt be safe of course but i also see so many people put rops bars down to get in and out of garage then are lazy and never put them back up just saying plus 1725 will go right in a standard 7ft tall door no problem and with 3 or 4 inches to spare
Getting my 1025r tomorrow
Congratulations!
Really like my Massey because I really like my massey dealer. I havw a 245 1983 and a 2014 3625.
massey ferguson 1723e powerd by kubota diesel
No, it uses Iseki engine.
The relationship with the dealer is important. I chose a MF because of this. Several brands close by, but they stood out and have already proven themselves in after sales support.
@@beekeeperzo my kubota and case dealer use to sell masseys but he gave it up on them and even exmark mowers too because parts to exspensive and he trys sell the best of case and kubota and case because parts are cheaper for them and best warrantys plus discounts too plus all the masseys uses perkins diesel engines
Tim I filled my tires on my 2038r ,it is a ruff ride. I have 20 lbs in them now.
How low would you suggest going ?
Not sure. But lower than that. Have you looked at the manual?
I did check out the manual, it states it cannot give a recommendation because there are too many factors that come into play
@@TractorTimewithTim The manual actually states max 30 PSI in a different part of the manual than where I looked.
Run the rears as low as you can get away with. Run the fronts with max psi (to handle heavy loader loads)
10:58 the fendt signs says "Its Tim" nice
fendt is owned by agco as well.
Christie and how come you have so many tractors? And I'm curious why don't i see some of Casey on some of the digging projects? Plus on good tractors i just seen a 2018 minny Jonny with a cab on it just like on the John deer big tractor
Casey is on vacation...at a trade show. So, we don't have him right now.
Tim have you ever do a comparison of Mahindra and Jonny?
Nice video 👍
thanks for sharing the video I really enjoy you testing other brands, overall it seems to be a nice tractor it's too bad the factory didn't cheeseburger test the seat. Massey Ferguson advertises this model tractor to turn lower RPM for less engine wear
1723e john deere about fifteen years ago had a simaler size machine sort od a entry level compact tractor
Before my wife purchased my new JD 1023E, I had looked at a MF??? at a local dealer that I had gone to school with (over 50 years ago). At the time I was struggling with a 40 year old Hinimoto E 150 D that I had used since 1995... (parts no longer available). Anyway, we went on a saturday morning to the MF dealer and he had sold the model he had and didn't think (I was serious about getting a new tractor... Afterward, we went to the local JD dealer (no longer owned locally (Tulles) and they had one for me in less than a week... We had a major job that we needed to do on our farmstead... I am happy with my 1023E and it does a lot of work!!!
Would've liked to hear a price comparison between it and similar Deeres.
Prices are local. There is no way we could accurately show prices.
In my area the JD is around $3000 more than the MF
@@TractorTimewithTim LOL, well so is the soil you were moving ;-)
I like your videos but i'm wondering why you haven't ever had any challenger compact tractors in them.I have a 255B challenger compact that is a 2005 model gear drive that I bought in new 2008,i would be just assuming that it didn't sell because it is a gear drive vs a hydro,however I wouldn't even consider trading it for a hydro of any brand.I may some day try a shuttle shift transmission but I really like my challenger,is it fancy,no,everything is mechanical which is what I wanted vs electric buttons.
Would love to see a challenger in upcoming videos.
Thanks,
Kevin Jones.
I don't think there are any new Challenger compact tractors anymore. ...and honestly, I've never seen one. I'm assuming they were made by someone else? Maybe LS?
Yeah,I'm not sure if they're are new ones or not.
But like most of them they were built in korea or china.Mine come from a caterpillar dealer which caterpillar and or agco still sells new challenger tractors.
You know, as much as it gets maligned the feature I'd be happy with the most if I ever need it (heaven forbid) would be an effective ROPS. Just based on appearance, it seems to me that the newer bent ROPS on the JD 1 series would be my choice if you forced me to roll over a small tractor.
I was considering a MF GC1720TLB at one time but then your JD vs Kubota loader capacity video had me thinking green. Now you had to go muddying the water again. I would like to see a MF vs JD comparison series :)
In a word...attachabiliity. Loader, mower easier to attach on the Deere.
The massey 1805 loader will outlift both the JD & kabota
The JD is going to cost at least $3000 more than the Massey! Is it worth it to save a few minutes on detaching the mower deck? Na!
Looks small, dimensionally is it the same as a JD or Kubota??
Similar.
@@TractorTimewithTim Must just be the sitting position like you spoke about. Great video!!!!
Tim... Have you considered doing a per ever 4 to 6 weeks. Video on other brands compact tractors? I know you do these random non JD videos and yes I think they are well received because not every viewer has a JD.
Person I don't own a compact tractor. But I enjoy your "show and tell" mature videos of various models and brands!
LS/New Holland is coming up Tuesday at 3 pm
I recently purchased the 1723 the only issue I have is it seems a little underpowered when using my finish mower. I have some hilly terrain that I cut between that and the PTO running it should have a few more horsepower. I couldn't see spending $2,000 more for the 1725 because it uses the same engine just runs at a higher RPM hopefully someone will post how they crank them up to get the extra two horsepower
Nice video guys! You almost got me to think about something besides JD Green. Almost! lol
That’s pretty cool they had that. You don’t look comfortable on that tractor tim.
I got quoted $1500 to add the 3rd function to my new GC1725 order, would you pay that price?
No, I would use the summit-hydraulics.com/ttwt solution for rear AND front Hydraulics.
You need the power beyond on the tractor. Other than that, you should be good to go.
Seems like the box scraper was a size too big for the tractor. And it looks like the 2 are a size too small for a tall operator. Sure was a nice test setup.
Hinomoto HM255 great tractor
Tim is Green through and through.
We do indeed think the Deere 1025r is best in class. There are some areas where other brands might have an edge, but overall, we thin the 1025r is #1
Posted earlier than normal. Never have operated a small machine like that. I like 40hp or more.
Always 11am on Sunday.
@@TractorTimewithTim I'm on the west Coast. In Oregon. Normally don't watch until evening.
I’d love to have you review all the sub compacts. I liked the Massey I played with locally, but still it seems the 1025R is the only one with a 3 point position setup
MooMan86 I have the GC1705 which mechanically is the same with different ergonomics. Position control would be my #1 improvement. I can live with the loader and mower.
Really a bummer massey didn't add it with the redesign
Very good video. They did let the people test them well.
Exact same tires/rim as the Deere
Massy Ferguson had something like this at the world ag expo this year but they told us that it was only for people who would be possible customers I was not in the market for a sub compact but if I were my experience with them would turn me away
Hi Tim I really enjoy your channel, I am in the market for a subcompact tractor and i have been looking at MF, Kubota, and JD. I stopped at a dealer yesterday who sells both MF and K and figured it would be a good opportunity to compare both side by side, Both tractors are very nice and over all very similar to each other in a lot of way. When it comes to MF I was looking at the 1725m and cant stand the seat and the steering wheel but it seems like an overall bigger tractor compared to the bx2680 when it cones to size and capacities. My next stop will be at the JD dealer this week. At the end of the day you have operated them at all could you provide a fair comparison of all three?
I drive (and own) my choice :-)
Tractor Time with Tim I bought a 1025r today after comparing all three, dont tell the wife but it was nearly love at first sight
Jason Maze congratulations! You will love it!