Why is Tav the leader in Baldur's Gate 3!?
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My Tav was a Dark Urge (Resisting it), so he was like "Wait... You want... ME to be the leader of the group. Have you all lost your minds?!" ... At which point he looked at the party and realized he was actually probably the most competent/stable of the gang and went "oooookay nevermind then, leader it is". XD
you know it's bad when the mass murderer is the most stable one in the party
Well..
Durg was the leader of Cult of Bhaal, at least he has experience.. ish
But in game, Wyll is the face of the party because of his Charisma. So to everyone else, Wyll is the leader lol
tav and the dark urge are different characters, especially according to a story the devs released just before launch
@@rustygear447 No Wyll will never be the face with that face. My Tav always has higher charisma. Wyll is absolutely horrifying to look at. Plus he sold his soul to a demon he's not competent and is retarded. If I play a barbarian I'll still be the face.
Ah yes, letting the traumatized, chaotic vampire spawn decide who is the leader of the party is a great idea.
Narrator: Surprisingly, it was a great idea.
@techpriestessmicaela8441You can watch the narrator outakes to make it worse.
Why did I read this in the Arrested Development narrator’s voice? 😂
When everyone recognizes you as the de facto leader of the party.
Narrator : You can feel it. *A U T H O R I T Y !*
Astarion has his moments of being very self-aware of the tropes during the story, funnily enough. He calls everyone in the group a bunch of weirdos, including himself, calls his romance with a Durge a romantic tragedy that can profit many-a-smut-peddler from all the angst, among other moments like these.
@techpriestessmicaela8441 God I know! She is now the narrator in my life.
Given you can play as any origin, it seems like the sole reason Tav is the leader is based on the scenario where you save Shadowheart/meet her and Lae’zel. Shadowheart assumes you are as you went above he head to save her. Tav has to make decisions after this bc Lae’zel and Shadowheart are bickering. Everyone who meets them now assumes Tav is in charge.
Yet, if you throw Lae'zel off the Ship and don't help Shadowheart, you'll still end up being the leader. Or so I heard
@@MikaeruDaiTenshiwould you want to get thrown off a ship next?
Yeah, that tracks.
Fr Lae’zel would have been leader if Shadowheart wasn’t there.
@@ohapplesauce Lae'zel don't have the personality do lead.
"Warlocks are bad leaders"
My warlock Tav: 👁👄👁
Same
Same
I mean, I'm mostly a bard, but I like to dip for those trial period invocations.
Same
Yeah
The funniest part is how the tabletop game with the cast shows how clueless they are at times when Tav is stuck in some weird plot device. Good boop!
That one shot was great!
"Oh my god! Tav is under attack! Let's steal their stuff and go on a day trip to the shops and spa :D"
Very authentic DnD experience right there
@@conspiracypanda1200 good thing it wasn't my Tav, I got a whole collection of alcohol
To be completely fair, most of them were learning during the game.
@@blueturtle3623 takes too long for them by chapter 2
Tav after being told the 495th tragic backstory: I cant do this man I cant TAKE THIS SHIT NO MORE!
Spiderman 2 is even worse in that regard...so many new yorker that need to tell you there personal livestory,when all you want to do is swing around and beat up bad guys.
Tav: I need payment for hearing such horrible backstories and having to come up with an answer that is not "oof mate"
@@leefm "that's rough buddy"
INSPIRATION
@@leefmTaf: "Next time you trauma dump, I'm charging!"
Uhh I love your interpretation of the characters! Especially Astarion strikes me as someone who tells you to murder and rob people for funsies but when you actually do it he just goes "why in the hells would you listen to me? Are you insane?"
I really appreciate that this game has some unapologetically evil companion options like Astarion. That’s not to say he doesn’t have any redeeming qualities, but if we’re being honest and putting him on an alignment chart, he pretty easily goes on the evil side lol
I fucked up my first DnD campaign by listening to another player who did that lmao
Oh wow that's a great view on this one. I love that and thank you.
This video and your comment remind me that Astarion doesn't deny that everyone in camp is a bunch of weirdos, including him. He also has his occasions of being aware of the tropes.
@@Stickarms99I would say chaotic neutral, if you know what you are doing
so accurate that we truly can only discuss important stuff with Astarion, he always seems to notice even the smallest details about us and other members of the camp, and he always has his opinion! and Gale too! perfect work ❤❤❤
That's trauma baybeeee!
@@Gleowyn true! and I don't know If it's mine or theirs but our traumas working perfectly together
Best advisor! Gale too.
to be expected from a trauma survivor with a high perception skill lol
Maybe he just always stay up all night looking for a chance to nib at someone neck but end up learn something about everyone as a result.😂
Emotional anchor of chaotic gremlins…….is the most fitting description I have have heard so far. Second would be Astarion calling the group bunch of weirdoes.
I mean, having been in numerous D&D groups, I've yet to meet a group that isn't a bunch of chaotic gremlins. ...and somehow I always end up being the Tav among them, the emotional anchor that keeps them semi functional. Which is saying something since my most successful anchor was a goblin artificer who liked big explosions.
@@EffervescentPhantasm I'm the opposite I've never played with a chaotic party, I DM for a party of three and they usually try to don't get in trouble, even if I encourage them to be more chaotic, they just don't take the risk. It makes my prep way more easy tbh, but I'm starting to lack of ideas for my act 1 so i wish they do something i didn't prepare.
@@alexplayer8367 yeah, my Tuesday group is the more chaotic of the bunch, and they affected how I prefer to DM. When I started with them, I did a tonne of prepwork and I had a lot of things planned out. But time and time again they'd do things I didn't expect and I was forced to wing it a lot. Nowadays, I've learned to have a loose outline of events I can pull from and I am more comfortable letting the players drive the narrative with their actions and I adapt my plans as needed.
When I'm a player in that group, I'm usually the voice of reason trying to keep us out of too much trouble, but I don't always succeed.
Anyway, I wish you luck with your group, being a DM can be tough sometimes but I'm sure they appreciate your efforts.
Karlach, who is prone to anger issues and does her idle dance at the most inappropriate times?
Lae'zel, who asks you to fight her and then gets emotional because you're fighting?
Shadowheart, who bickers with and antagonizes everyone who talks to her?
Gale, the wizard with a nuke in his chest and falls in love with anyone that pays him the minutest amount of attention?
Wyll "Rehearsed Superhero Pose" Ravengard?
Astarion, the vampire who practices one liners in front of a mirror despite having no reflection?
Yeah, Tav is the leader of the group by default. Even the Dark Urge, who is drawn to acts of unimaginable cruelty, is a better fit to lead than any of those clowns.
Got a problem with rehearsed superhero poses?
Your shadowheart description is more accurate to Laezel
@@xaint5298Shadowheart has strong prejudice against people because of the teachings of the cult she is part of
Lae'zel is a racist who hates everyone who isn't a weird lizard/toad monster equally
*Me as The Dark Urge*
Murder?
Murder.
Murder!
It's ALL about the vision. I can't imagine ANYONE else with as consistent a vision as the Dark Urge.
Being a DUrge also gets you that pesky amnesia but i guess DUrge has that killer rizz if you know what i mean
Playing DUrge is like being Luisa from Encanto. You keep pushing down your own problems to deal with everyone else's until it all... explodes.
I know right? How is durge pulling so many friends that you can only make as durge, but you kill them immediately. And you tell your part "hey just to let you know i have an irisistible urdge to kill people at random" and they comfort you like your a recovering alcoholic who is going through tough times. Like wtf i literally just said i might kill you in the middle of the night and they are completely fine with that. Then they act all suprised when you kill afira like you didn't warn them it might happen
Well his default class is sorcerer and a storm one to boot
@@namethefifth7315well look at it from their perspective, you gets hints on what they think is happening by how they respond. Karlach thinks you may have suffered as she did and was forced to fight and now without your memories all you have is the ptsd of needing to fight.
Wyll thinks you where a hunter or warrior of some kind and figures that if you just point the energy in the right direction then it’s all well and good.
Leazel doesn’t see it as a problem. She also feels a need to fight as she was raised in a kill or be killed culture.
This goes on with all the party members and when you figure out what’s actually happening and tell them they all act a bit surprised as they clearly didn’t understand what you meant but you have enough trust at that point for it not to be am issue
@@user-mu8ok5xf8d ya but like some times you will be saying stuff like "all i know is that i want to dunk your face in that boiling pot," and all the times before that when you do stuff like kick a squirrel into a tree or if you eat gales hand off, and all the other decrepid shit. Like they really should have seen that coming
One of my characters is a very young elf who's been sheltered most of his life and had only recently left home when he got abducted by the mindflayers, so it's extra funny having everyone just decide to make him the leader. He's trying so hard to act like he knows what he's doing and inside he's just screaming.
I cannot reasonably tell you how much I’d love to see that play through in action. Sounds like a blast.
this is too relatable but my tav has turned into this bleeding heart, take the risk if it gets you good shit, but also maybe help the poor, but also maybe sometimes just kill people if they make it hard
he doesnt make any sense and honestly maybe its a sprinkle of corruption from a certain vampire man 😏
In my recent playthrough I'm playing Durge who, after being lobotomized by Orin, had her mind revert back into a child. So she was making all the terrible decisions a child would make, trying to stumble her way out of every combat encounter, yet every companion still fully trusted her to be the voice of reason. What's worse is that she's a Drow, so everyone should realize that there's something wrong with her considering how nice she is to everyone she meets.
@@AeridisArtIf she's a Lolth sworn drow, then yeah they should be worried. But if she's not sworn to Lolth then they're probably just rolling with it.
@@ettaetta439 not like people know the difference unless their told lol. Many of the people who should be worried about drow don't mention it and the few people who do have to be told you're not lolth-sworn (if you're not, I made her lolth-sworn). Counsellor Florrick is one that should've been interrogating me about Duke Ravengard, but she just thanks me like normal.
Meanwhile Withers be watching thinking to himself - "Never before has such a group of exceedingly dangerous lunatics with stunted emotional baggage ever been assembled. The PERFECT group to put a stop to the Absolute!"
You have Astarion and Gale's voices down PERFECTLY omg
Thanks!!! :D
Totally! Its fenomenal
2:29
RIGHT?? at 0:41 i thought i heard neil newbon with that "Gale?"
Now do the girls
Look it IS strange that Tav is the emotional anchor for EVERYONE in the group, and without Tav's influence or input, they'd stumble down the least mentally healthy options in their questlines (I tested this in a no companions run to minimize influence).
Yeah, without Tav they'd start adopting weird imps called Bing Bong or something...
@@fluffykitten077justice for Bing Bong
It's so funny to imagine what would have happend if Tav/Durge was not around. Gale stuck in the portal forever. Lae'zel murdered by Tieflings. Wyll kills Karlach and gets depressed about it later. Karlach dead or kills Wyll and gets depressed about it later. Shadowheart chills in the grove until the inevitable goblin raid. Astarion stays at the cliff and waits until the hunter finds him.
@@Louves192
Shadowheart shows up at the the goblin camp, no? You need to go there to raid the grove or save the grove
@@Louves192 I cant be sure if it happens anymore but if Laezel continues forward after the tieflings without tav, her own people will kill her at the bridge for being tadpoled when she requests to be taken for purification.
This is so accurate it hurts XD (except for Gale being homeless, he's literally one of the few companions that does have an established home)
But he gives off "homeless hobo" vibes so hard if it wasnt for the company he kept i'd mistake him for early season Caleb.
We find him with a hand sticking out of a magical hole, addicted to ruining valuable magical artifacts and having gotten dumped by his GF after screwing up gift-shopping so bad she needs him to die now.
In like another month, maybe two, he’d have Gale’d his way into being homeless.
Gale is only one emotional breakdown away from being the wizard equivalent of an insane cat lady who rummages around in dustbins and talks to her cat. That tower in Waterdeep is far away.
@TF2CrunchyFrog I mean, he already has one cat, I think you're on to something there
Yes, in Waterdeep. I'm literate, but I wouldn't be in 14th century anywhere.
Gale's homeless.
The section on Wyll was hilarious because my Tav is also a warlock. Though mine was Archfey because WE DON’T FUCK AROUND WITH FIENDS, WYLL. So like, my patron was way less likely to ask me to sell out my companions then Wyll's, so I guess I get the point.
depends on what kind of archfey i suppose- imo they're more unpredictable than fiends (who at least abide by their own contracts). the chaotic neutral to a fiend's lawful evil. i can't judge, though- my own tav is a (modded) undead warlock with a lich patron who has my tav reap souls for him lol
if they are at least a little bit like Pathfinder fey ,i think after playing Pathfinder kingmaker, i rather take my chances with the Fiends. xD
Like everyone else said: Archfey are unreliable and unpredictable. Great Old Ones are the best because they tend to be really hands off.
I was Tav Warlock too, but I think whoever has highest Charisma would default as leader because they are literally the most able to persuade everyone else to comply. That I was Drow should perhaps have raised more objection, but my main party was a vampire, a Shar cleric and a Githyanki, so Drow is oddly the least sus.
Same, but my patron was a Great Old One. Which is probably the best case scenario for a warlock - great old ones hardly ever even notice their warlocks, so a GOOlock is basically a magic-borrowing parasite 😂
When Tav is a Paladin-
“I feel I’m the only one here with enough moral responsibility to actually make decisions.”
Lmfao, I can practically hear Astarion and Gale say exactly those lines 😂
Where did the “eating shoes” bit come from? Is there some scene I have missed with this weirdness? 😂
@@elenalizabeth i am pretty sure its about eating artefacts and that in the 3 times you got to do it, it is very likely that you will give him at least one pair of boots to devour as there is likely at least one shoe artefact you will never bother to use (depending on your party) .
@@mermidion7552 LMAO I’m clearly still very early in the game because I haven’t gotten to him needing to eat shoes (or any sort of artefact) yet 😂😂
My Gale currently is holding onto a golden book of the dead, not sure what it’s used for but it looked important 🤔🤷♀️
@@elenalizabeth I absolutely have fed boots to gale before lmao
@@YoungSlim51 😂 I have just come across a magical wooden staff with a warning not to give it to Gale as he will consume it 🤭 (and my character is druid so is using it)
So now I'm looking forward to finding something magic that I can feed him haha
Homeless? Gale is literally the only origin companion who owns his own home
i thought the same thing but at the same time it made so much sense to me idk how to explain it
So he says
I actually think Gale would be a fine leader, but this was hilarious. Especially liked the ending with Karlach being the bimbo vibes gal.
I vote we make Scratch the de facto leader.
@@thatguy9088 yes the goodest boy should be leader
Lol my friend explained that Gale is smart but dumb at the same time, like he is a total nerd and book smart, but he also has himbo energy.
She said “he is the kind of person who knows that tomato is a fruit because they read an entire dissertation about it, but they don’t understand why tomato does not go in a fruit salad”.
He also has no self-confidence for a man who’s first cut-scene was him talking to a projection of himself, you even hint to him that in bed he is “just fine” and he wants to blow himself up 🤦♀️
@@elenalizabethI mean that's pretty much the difference between wisdom and intelligence. Wisdom is street smart, intelligence is book smart. Gale is a big dummy when it comes to making rational life choices
I don't think the rest of the party would respect Gale as a leader and he lacks the confidence to take it. He's also a massive dork and my boyfriend so I say that affectionately.
That's why I have to play as bard. I just imagine my Tav as lousy fighter but in love with their own voice so the rest of the party just pushes them to talk to all these strangers they can't be bothered to pay attention to
That's what I'm doing as a (resisting) Durge atm
Gnome bard is a hoot!
Face and leader aren't the same
My Tav's the leader because he's the therapy friend who can budget. He's still messed up, but gods perseve him he's the least messed up of the bunch.
This is hilarious and accurate! You embodied Gale and Astarion perfectly! I laughed so hard at the end when it's revealed Tav just wants to be the himbo and is furious that Karlach is already resident herbo. And as someone who did an Origin Wyll run-he may radiate main character energy and be wonderful and sweet, but this is so true. That 24-year-old has JUST as much baggage and is equally as miserable and chaotic as all those other people in that camp. Nobody there is sane!!!
Thanks! Really glad you liked it !:D
wait what wyll is only 24????
@@iforgotmyusername11 He mentions that he got his warlock powers at 17 and hasn't been in Baldur's Gate in seven years, making him 24 at the time of the game :D
i always thought shadowheart was just being shadowheart when she hit us with the “so the leader of the pack has come to make their rounds” or whatever she says, but if your tav is outside of the camp and you’re playing as one of the characters when you talk to someone else they all go “not right now, but maybe i’ll have a chat with tav” LIKE??? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE
I think there are some good reasons for why Tav is the leader of the group.
Shadowheart might be pragmatic and practically enough to lead the group, but her whole Sharran quest and amnesia proves a hindrance to her ability to lead since like Wyll, she's got her own boss up top to deal with.
Lae'zel might embody the qualities of a firm leader, but if she were in charge she would likely be too strict and nobody would want to follow her.
Astarion is....Astarion. Need I say more?
Gale could function as a good second in command, but not as leader because of his obvious condition of needing magic items and that could skew his judgement as a leader along his all baggage with Mystra.
Wyll might radiate main character energy, he is unfortunately bound by his contract and can't be considered a reliable leader with him still being leashed by it.
So Tav is somehow the most sane and grounded person out of all of them.
Karlach could do it. She radiates team mom vibes.
@@westenev I believe Astarion said it best, she is the ' resident head-empty only vibes' person of the group. She might be able to keep morale high, but she doesn't really demonstrate the traits of a leader.
@@silentwalker434 and what is the role of a leader, if not to keep morale high? You can't ask people to walk into death when they feel estranged from the people around them.
I like how simply being effectively neutral is the main basis for tav being a natural leader if this group of jagoffs.. I mean extremely damaged people....
@@westenev true, out of all the characters, Karlach would probably be the protag if tav wasn't there. She's an ex-soldier, and when she was younger she was a street urchin who was an underdog and worked her way up before she was betrayed. And she's the "heroic" type. She's also funny, sweet, and has a can-do attitude. -i would die for her-
so not only would she inspire team morale, she'd also know when to call the shots as a tactician, but also bring levity to the group as a leader bc she's always crackin jokes. also, im pretty sure a lot of the other characters already like her, canonically, or are in the very least neutral towards her. hell, even laezel, who doesn't like tieflings, was super complimentary towards her battle prowess. which is a lot, coming from laezel. (i think ill play as laezel in my next playthrough and romance karlach LMAO)
My Tav is a kind Bard and the only person keeping Karlach from burning out, being proactive about getting Wyll out of his pact, keeping Lae'zel and Shadowheart from killing each other, and keeping Astarion and Gale from trying to attain godly power at the cost of their souls and personalities.
I'm the glue keeping these weirdos together and on the mostly straight and somewhat narrow path.
Now that I think about it Wyll seems to be less bound by his dommy-mommy than Shadowheart and Laezel by theirs, because of their blind faith.
All it took for Wyll to defy Mizora was having to kill a non-devil for her. He didn't even know whether Karlach was innocent, only that she isn't a devil, and he suspected he'd be punished for sparing her.
Laezel killed her family members as a school project, while Shadowheart would've had no problem killing anyone to gain a higher rank.
Of course Tav can influence Laezel and Shadowheart with great effort, but Wyll's choice was his.
Wyll would've been a great leader for the group.
Wyll was raised to be a leader by his father, too. Tav could still be there to help him get out of the pact, but yeah, Wyll should be the one to handle the group diplomacy (I mean, he does have the highest charisma of the origin characters).
Considering my Tav is not only Durge but also a warlock... Yea. Wyll is so much better
"Lae'zel killed her family members as a school project"
😂💀
it's really hilarious because my tav (zenith) is an evil-aligned undead warlock myrkulite who's somehow bumbling his way through a 'good' playthrough because he got attached to his companions. everyone is like "okay leader what should we do next?" to this guy who's half-dead and full of SO many parasites because he can't say no to anything that could give him cool new powers. this is not the man you want making decisions for you
an example: he saved astarion from ascending, not because he thought that sacrificing 7000 people was wrong, but because he thought that given time and access to his lich patron's knowledge he could craft a better and "less messy" ascension ritual for astarion at a later date. he wants to one-up cazador
That is the funniest, most petty reason to save Astarion that I have ever heard 😂 I love it
Got any other examples?
LMAO, I relate so much to this. My evil, half-illithid, vampire necromancer couldn't care less about githyanki freedom, but his adopted daughter wants to save her prince and he simply couldn't say no to those little puppy eyes.
@@vee1267 idk why i never got a notif for this reply but the entire reason my dude sided with the grove at the beginning of the game was because he liked mol (reminded him of himself as a kid). that was pretty much the sole deciding factor
same thing with freeing the gnomes at grimforge except he just wanted to kill nere because he befriended the myconids (the idea of a group of mushroom people who propagated through necromancy intrigued him- generally he felt a sense of solidarity towards undead beings/fey/necromancers)
he ended up romancing astarion (the fact that astarion was a vampire just made my tav like him more) but he and the emperor had a bit of a flirtationship because my tav respected the guy's ability to manipulate the hell out of everyone to survive
major "good guy" choices in the larger plot were interspersed with smaller "evil"/less moral activities (killing that one pacifist githyanki at the creche, conning and swindling every npc that annoyed him, robbing the entirety of the baldur's gate bank after it had just been robbed by minsc, telling gale to kill god, etc.) so it was always funny when ppl would be like "you're our saviour
@@gaymiens to be fair, Mol alone is worth the effort of saving the tieflings. She’s an adorable little shit, lol
Reminds me of my Necromancer's excuse to cleanse the Shadow Curse. The one and only reason he doesn't want there to be a massive undead curse cloud is because it's not HIS undead curse cloud and he can't stand the sight of gods flexing their superiority over mortals as better necromancers so he decided to clean up the curse to spite Shar...and in the eventual future cook up his own Shadow Curse one day by studying some residue samples he took during his stay in Act 2.
He also killed Loroakhan not due to any moral reason regarding Aylin, but because he wants the immortality but Loroakhan refuses to share while encrypting the ritual to only work on him so he decided "If i can't have that immortality, neither can you!" He plans on taking over the tower by pushing Rolan off it one day to reverse engineer the ritual to use it on Aylin.
Sometimes, extreme pettiness can ironically lead one to do good things...for all the wrong reasons.
Remember that if you take control of other characters and try to get them to talk to another companion, they will literally refuse to talk to them. Tav is the only person that anyone in the party tolerates talking to.
Lol, I remember Astarion complaining about the quality of the wine after killing the goblins, and I just sat there thinking “Motherf%cker, why didn’t you steal *the good shit* while we were clearing house in that temple??? I mean, if the goblins had such ‘high class vintages’ then *why didn’t you grab it while we were there????”
I thought it was a reference to everything other than blood tasting like garbage to vampires? I doubt he was drinking much wine during his time with Cazador
@@Cyrillius1 Doesn’t seem like it, since A, Tav/Durge drinks the wine and thinks it’s crap too, B, Astarion was able to blend in for a while with no in lore suspicions, to do that, he would have needed to eat the camp food with no complaints.
I’m pretty sure here at least, considering Cazador had to blend in as high class for hundreds of years, Vampires can eat and drink normal food, but they need blood as well.
@@Norinia if u drink the wine the narrator says smth like 'its a rich red, dry and sharp' - thats not bad wine, its good wine lol
@@Cyrillius1 Fun fact, if you side with the goblins. Astarion will also drink wine on the festivities after killing everyone in the grove and compliment how good the wine is.
@@mermidion7552 oh really? neat, I havent seen that yet
I always wonder why Tav is the leader
Your impressions of Astarion and Gale are prefect lmao
I have a headcanon explanation of why the companions perceive Tav as the leader. The companions' tadpoles perceive the player's tadpole (be it a custom or origin character) as the "alpha" of the group, so they submit to it on a subconscious level. Tav is always influencing their minds even without trying or them being conscious about it. That could also explain why they they're all ready to jump your bones so early on and it's so easy to make them like you despite their complicated personalities.
That's a pretty cool headcanon actually, and makes a lot of sense
Nah, that's probably your personal choises. They follow because you make them trust you. After all, you can antagonize them to the point that they leave.
@@orelyosif5852 that is true, it's not to say that Tav's influence completely supresses the companions free will, it just makes them more susceptible to trust Tav and consider them the leader. But if Tav disrespects them, they're obviously going to leave.
Maybe the Emperor is also nudging them in that direction? He pretty consciously chose Tav to be the main Prism Bearer, because they have the least baggage and can concentrate on the fight instead of personal issues, so he could be using the tadpole hivemind to subtly influence the companions to follow Tav.
This is my headcanon now
I've played Dark Urge (full in) and Warlock. And I thought to myself: "With the uncontrollable chaos I cause, I would be the last person you should make leader." But hey... my party loves me. :-D
I role played my Tav as a domineering, greedy, power hungry Barbarian with a noble heart. He constantly wanted his own way so asserting himself in conversations made sense. He was self-righteous and wanted people to like him and admire him so he choose generally noble and good options. He wanted gold and power so he made deals with hags and devils, and was very mercenary in his dealings but only with those he thought had too much gold to spare. He wanted to appear as a hero to those around him so he did heroic things.
He ended up like Greed from FMAB, very greedy, very selfish, but very kind and ultimately supportive of those around him. It was a very fun role playing experience.
it's so fun to roleplay tavs with less-than-benevolent motivations that still end up making the "good" choices. my undead warlock, zenith, is also very self-motivated and seeks power regardless of the risk (and as such is constantly afflicted by like 6 status effects at a time). but because he's a tiefling who wanted to stick up for his own he ended up making an enemy of the absolute early-on and now just hates their vibe too much to refuse any chance to eldritch blast their teeth in
The reason for shadowheart not letting her hair down cracked me up
My Tav is trying her damndest to keep her party of weirdos safe and sound while not reducing everyone else who offends them into bonemeal for her garden
I like the part where Astarion outrights dismisses Lae'zel...cause she is Lae'zel...and Tav doesnt even bother to fight him on it.
"Well, why not Halsin? He's a leader already."
"Oh, darling that would be lovely. One small issue - "
*Halsin is staring at some bugs, amazed.*
"That."
Tav went through the entire game with a massive headache as the emotional anchor of the party.
How any of our party members still make us leader after the spider thing is beyond me
It all makes sense now....
No but why does everything Astarion says make total sense when it really shouldn't? Like I get he's the oldest but still, it's worrying to find yourself agreeing with the most unhinged one of the lot!🤣
He honestly almost always the most grounded takes - when he's not busy laughing about murder. I would never make him The Leader but he makes for the most reliable advisor alongside Gale.
Astarion Origin is gonna be a wild ride when I get to it
To add to what the other person already said, Astarion's often self-aware and genre savvy when he isn't drunk on power. He calls everyone in camp (not even excluding himself) a bunch of weirdos, remarks that his relationship with Durge is like a tragic romance found in dark romance novels that smut peddlers would write, says knows that he can be considered the "Lovable Rogue" archetype, and other sassy things he says. He's a piss-poor planner, but he knows when he or anyone is doing a trope.
says he knows that*
@@oceanicGrimalkin That's so true. He borderline keeps breaking the fourth wall....only he doesn't. Pretty sure he also has a line where he says something about how he and the party are all part of some game. The man's always on to something.😅
Also while he's not exactly a 'details person' when it comes to planning, he's freakishly fast at coming up with solutions focusing on the bigger picture. Though this solution is usually something quite morally questionable, to say the least. Like when you first meet him and tell him about the ceremorphosis, he instantly comes up with a plan to find someone who can control the worms (not just get rid of them, he was instantly thinking about how he could also benefit the most from the current situation). It's honestly pretty impressive. If only he used that kind of quick thinking for more morally acceptable reasons...💀
😂😂😂 all valid reasons.
Why is Astarion the voice of reason of this party? Tav is the moral compass of course. What are the other's roles? 😂 karlach's the ray of sunshine and muscle. Shadowheart is the healer.
Well I’m weird so I think of them like if they were all species of dogs, so:
Astarion is a Doberman (intelligent, alert and loyal, but also scary when necessary).
Karlach is a Golden Retriever (gentle and affectionate) trapped in the body of a Rottweiler.
Shadowheart is a Border Collie (smart and independent, wary of strangers).
Gale is a Bassett Hound (friendly, easygoing and stubborn, but also dopey looking/acting).
As someone who’s worked closely with dogs, this really feels spot on.
Funnier still that every Doberman I’ve ever worked with is skittish in unfamiliar settings, and can be prone to habits of boredom-focused destruction.
They need an experienced, firm…and I cannot stress this enough…PATIENT hand to acclimate and train them.
Could also see him as a husky. He won’t sing you the song of his people but he’ll sure as sh*t complain nonstop about the slightest inconvenience.
Personally, Karlach as a Golden is just *chef’s kiss* perfect. Goldies can be surprisingly mean (but rarely for long) when they lose patience, and they throw their weight around like the clowns they are. I mean this is the most affectionate possible way.
I can also see Karlach doing Nala stomps and it’s the best image my brain has concocted all day.
Sweet, sweet serotonin.
Rotties also fit her pretty well-affectionate, scary-looking but ultimately communicative and very sweet once they get used to you. Tossing 90+ lbs of pure muscle around at you like a tire swing. It’s great.
@@cuddlefishbandit LMFAO at the mental image of Husky-tarion whining because you didn’t let him go for a walk (AKA go kill someone). Like he doesn’t actually want to go for a walk, but he will complain about it until you let him out anyway, and then proceed to sing the song of his people to your neighbours at 2am 😂
Haha my friend has a Golden and he is a big goofball, and if you annoy him then he will just flop his fat butt on your feet so you can’t move, but I’m also pretty sure if he could speak he would say “hey I just met you but I love you already”
When he's not drunk on power, Astarion's often pretty self-aware and genre-savvy like the "bunch of weirdos" bit (he doesn't even exclude himself), remarks that his relationship with Durge is dark romance material for the smut peddlers at Sharess's Caress, saying that he's still the "Lovable Rogue" archetype early on when revealing his obvious vampirism, and other things he says. He's far from mastermind and is a piss-poor planner, but he can be witty and knows when someone is doing a trope.
It is so spooky & impressive at how well you’ve gotten Astarion & Gale’s inflections & mannerisms down. Also, this was very funny! Kudos!
Thank you. The Secret is I'm super autistic :D
I love the image of the party silently accepting my Tav as the leader because she’s a level headed monk trying to fix everyone’s problems, including the group’s. They’re so confident in their decision that they brush off her talking about her urge to kill people. And then turns out she’s the Durge and one morning they wake up to her covered in blood standing over a mutilated body confessing to the murder. And then everyone in the group collectively asks what the fuck they have done.
“Because all I wanted to do was be the sweet little himbo of the group-“ that hit my first character right on the target! Based him off my first ever DnD character, who is fairly a gullible “can do” attitude of a man. He’s the human son of a Minotaur and mermaid.
I appreciate that everyone simps after Wyll
Also Karlach would make a fine leader, great at keeping up morale and looking after everyone. But she always joins so late that I figured Tav would have already been the de facto leader.
-Addicted to soul coins
-Willing to start a fight with Gortash during his coronation while surrounded by numerous Steel Watchers
-Nearly killed my party by destroying the place we killed the Paladins.
I love Karlach, but no, lol.
fantastic acting! I love the simplified but obvious cosplays. You really know how to bring character energy into life.
Thank you….now excuse me while I cry 😭😭😭
"All it takes is one request from their dommy mommy to sell us out for a smidgen more of that delightful cookie they call power" haha great line
Lol, this was hilarious 😂 It’s kinda even more funny that you can play all origin characters, so they can actually each be leaders of this chaotic group of tadpole-infected gremlins
I love how well you got Astarion and Gale, Astarion saying warlocks have a mommy dommy made me laugh. 🤣🤣🤣
My current headcanon is that tav just walks slightly faster then the rest of the party so everyone just collectively assumes they know where they’re going
Since companions refuse to talk to one another in the early game, I think Tav is the leader because they're the only one everyone likes enough to cooperate with.
It's even more hillarious when the rest of the party elects DU, a amnesiac maniac, as their leader.
I think the simple answer as to why Tav is the leader is the same as to why any given Origin character is the leader should you choose them as an avatar; They have the unique distinction of being controlled by the player, and the player has this uncanny knack for getting results.
The way Tav has a good pair of magical shoes ready for Gale kind of says it all, really XD
One day Tiax too shall point and click.
The therapist friend is usually the best option for stable and unstable decisions 😂. Yet when they made the group with probably the most unstable bg their leader.
Wyll, Gale, and Jaheira all make a lot of sense to me as leaders of the group
Wyll has the most immediate connection to Baldur's Gate, he's already a folk hero and is defined by his unbreachable moral fiber that causes him to stumble into bad situations
Gale is situated as a kind of magical focal point, he has to be involved or he'll accidentally destroy the world, hes the former chosen of the god of magic, and he seeks the crown that heels the Absolute
And Jaheira is the matron of the Harpers, a former companion form previous games, and a consummate flawed hero whos accustomed to reigning in extreme personalities, especially Minsc
0:54 that "ah!" was a perfect gale impression oh my god
For my draconic bloodline sorcerer being leader was inevitable. As any red dragon would attest, it's only natural that they lead since they're the only ones skilled, smart and strong enough to deserve to do so.
But... My Tav is a warlock!
I'm calling the police.
I think if this game was made into a show without the concept of the player being the leader, Gale would definitely take the role- external problems like his bugged approval system have mischaracterized him to be more desperate than he actually is, but he's very pragmatic and rational with everything and he's neutrally aligned, so he can kinda bend either way as long as it gets the job done (although he doesn't like unnecessary bloodshed). It seems canon too, looking at all the animated shorts they've made with Gale being the one to lead the way and narrate their journeys. However, he'd still have to go through his arc of overcoming his power-imbalanced exploitation from Mystra, just like all the other companions' traumas.
Ive always found it fumny that despite their differences everyone just unanimously and unceremoniously agreed Tav is the leader
My Oath of Vengeance Paladin was very confused but very flattered that this many people were answering to her, despite her plan of attack always being "Unga bunga we help people by attacking their enemy head on" every single time
This video made me crack up because my Tav is a level-headed Monk with high charisma stats, so it makes perfect sense that he'd be the leader. It feels like in every tense dialogue interaction I have a confused Shadowheart hiding behind me while Astarion and Karlach are drawing their weapons on either side, and then I spread my arms out like "WOAH WOAH WOAH guys hold on, I'm pretty sure we can talk our way through this" 😂
BG3 fans, pick your Astarion:
-pouty cute vampire eboy
-some rich asshole
tbh I LOVE when people portray him as he is - objectively the most evil member of our party - so this vid was hillarious for me as I put up with him as a paladin trying to always do what's right
My paladin and him do not get along *AT ALL.* Astarion killed him when he first drank from him and tried to play it off, earning him a punch in the face. That kinda set the tempo.
It’s funny because in my other play through him and Tav are power hungry best bros, but when playing the Paladin I always try to role play as someone who very much does not like his vibe.
@@spiraljumper74 You can be a heroic goody two shoes and still get to be best pals, or even lovers with Astarion. I managed to do it my first playthrough once I figured out it's not being "good" he's against, but rather being a stickler about it. If you pick humourous options, or indulge his mischievous nature to a reasonable degree, he'll grow to like you quite a bit. Defending him in conversation and protecting him from those who want to harm him will also earn you huge points with him
SPOILERS:
Some examples of these harmless but mischievous options are
-- Telling auntie Ethel about the mind flayer parasite
-- Baaing at the Red Cap in the swamp
-- Telling Lae'zel to say "please" before you let her down
-- Telling Astarion during the mirror scene that Shadowheart or Gale is more pretty than him
-- Letting the priest of pain beat you three times for the blessing
I remember someone saying without Tav or Durge, Gale is written like the defacto leader, hence some of the lines of you end up romancing him...intentionally or not
Crazy stuff. But on the point somehow. Tav has really a bad lot! He must be the leader, because others -- while being competent in one or the other area -- have all their bags to carry and some problems to solve .... and Tav even when urged to kill, is just their last hope. That is one of the attractions of this game 😊
Wow I love that view on it 🤣
My Tav was just like: “GUYS IM A BARD. AT BEST I KNOW HOW TO LEAD A GROUP SONG, NOT A GROUP OF PSYCHOS AND SHOE-EATERS!”
Holy crap!!! Your impressions are spot on!!! I was like “wait why can I actually hear them say all of this” 👀👀 very cool
Thanks!
Amazing video!
Also good voice impressions, especially Astarion 😂
Hopefully the vid blows up!
Thanks!! That would be wild!
I have been having so much fun with this concept because I purposely tried to make my tav the most useless she could be, and it's so hilarious having all the companions look up to her. Like girl she's a human bard with the lowest hit points out of all of you, why are you letting her make all the decisions? I remember when I talked to Wyll at the tiefling party and he was like "this is your night! go enjoy it!" I was like dude, huh? Since when was I the leader? 😭
This is way too accurate xD
Thanks 😎
THIS IS SO ACCURATE AND TRUE-TO-CHARACTER IT HURTS!!! 🤣🤣🤣
My Tav is a bard and she's like "I am literally just a singer from a garage band that performed locally and occasionally toured the Chionthar. I was just trying to pay my student debts in the College of Lore when I got kidnapped. HOW AM I THE MOM FRIEND OF A MERC BAND NOW?"
This comment walked into my house and kicked me in the ribs. It’s so accurate.
Your Tav sounds amazing, I love her
@@mutedroar EEEE! Thank you! 💕 I like to post clips where I voice act as her, and will very likely do some singing into the mic with her lyre-playing or lute-playing in the camp. Playing her in this game has been the delight of my gaming year. 😄
Mine is a wizard child of nobility who spent hertime literally holed up in a tower reading books. Who wants nothing to do with any of them but is stuck taking responsibility for them while mildly paranoid the constant attemps to get into her pants (by species who literally lay eggs) is just to try and distract her from realising she shouldn't be in charge of this group of misfits.
@@liamwarner5749 Your tav and my tav should start a book club when they’re not fighting for their lives! 😆 📚
At this point make Withers the leader he has the most experience
Just as Astarion said "THIS PARTY IS FULL OF WEIRDOS!!" lmao
Damn, those Astarion and Gale's voices were perfect!!
Astarion darling but i am also a warlock with a archfey patron.
Yes you have a dommy daddy, but at least arch fey also want chaos. But your also a bard and can talk your way out of trouble. A leader if i ever saw one.
this skit was actually so compelling! your voices for them are totally believable intonations.
The Astarion impression is way too good in this 😂
Thanks!! All I need now is to upgrade the suit 🤣
Tav is kinda the leader by Default. Shadowheart yields command to him (to draw attention from herself), Laezel tries to be in command but nobody wants to be commanded by her, Gale and Astarion are happy to go with the flow while Wyll and Karlach are more "hey, lets be friends type"
Paladin Tav: "How the hell did I end up being the conscious for a vampiore spawn, a gith, a warlock and a Shar worshiper all at once?"
Gale constantly eating shoes slew me... 😂
2:44 Astarion saying that definitely gave Gale flashbacks to his own relationship with Mystra
I totally see you have played Bg3 quite a lot. So accurate impressions with characters :'D
I haven't which is funny! I have only done 1 playthough and I'm currently on my second.
@@LoganTheOutlaw 😂
This is so good I bet even the original voice actors would be jealous!
don't worry Tav
you make a great himbo =D
I crave more parodies like this of baldurs gate 3. Hope this trend catches on. The game is perfect for these skits.
this one is marvelous, you got the voices just right!
Tav : what's wrong with warlocks?
Astarion : what's right with warlocks?
Great characterisation, with just a touch of comedy whimsy to make it perfect.
I cackled.
Mine would have chosen someone else. "Hurry let's get to Baldurs gate" 130 hours later in act one, "we need to make sure every box is checked and every corner explored"
So On Point! Excellent writing and delivery
2:08
“I’M A WARLOCK!”
I’m on my first play through and I’m playing as a great old one warlock. Caught me a tad off guard.
You two are adorable 🥰 Also I liked your skit, funny man. Take my subscription!
I shall. Thanks :D Putting this one on the fridge right next to my macaroni art of Gale's cat.
I think its because Tav is the first one who wanted to team up, making that offer to them all puts a label on Tav. They're the one who convinces them to join up so they look to Tav first.
Gale is too inexperienced with the physical space and is violently short lived. Wyl is one of the few non-scoundrels but also a major altruistic hero (which most of them will find tiresome as in liezels words he is a and contracted to a demon who wants him to hunt karlach, which puts off the others. Karlach's is loved by everyone but is also short lived and doesnt seek leadership. No one will trust Astorian even if he wasnt a vampire. Laezel alienates people with her attitute and is a Gith, plus has a conflict with Shadowheart. Shadowheart hardly remembers herself, is mysterious ontop of that and has a conflit with Laezel.
Tav is the only one they are willing to trust as all the others have an agenda except to keep their eye on the ball of curing their affliction and mediating their internal issues. As a result Tav is the one who acts as an emotional anchor for them all. They THINK the Durge contains the same qualities initially but by the time they realize what the durge actually is, they're already invested in the dynamic and Durge's actual leadership qualities stand out, to their benefit and their bane.
(Act 3 spoilers)
In a situation where both arent present (in a durge run its hinted they killed tav for investigating a string of serial killings they commited and in a Tav run, Durge leaves for baldurs gate by themselves weakened and alone, falling pray to Orin. You can find their body in one of Orin's chambers. In an Origin scenario where you lay as the companion, both situations occur and your chosen companion is thrust into the position and has to make due, but your agenda clashes with the others and complicates things. rather different scenarios can occur.
Where does it say that Durge goes to Baldur's Gate? Playing as Tav, you simply find his corpse with Orin, and that’s it. I understand why the developers didn’t include him as a companion, but to make such a small reference to him... I don’t even know...
Speak for your own Tav, but I can think of no one better for hoofing it in the wild than someone controlled by me.
Karlach being called a himbo is so perfect...
"The homeless wizard that eats our shoes and talks about his ex" lol burned
You know I was just asking this myself 😂 and gosh it makes so much frickin sense!!!!
I was the party leader in an actual campaign as a warlock. She was a good leader. What held her back more was how naive she was. Her relationship with her patron was a pact to be fulfilled later and didn't impact the story though, much to my dismay.