during the toughest NBA era MJ wasn't he top dog. many talk about thet old players wouldn't be good today, but I say today's players would be eaten alive in the 80's.
I'm not gonna diminish Jordan, him and Bird are both the GOATS. LeBron isn't even close he isn't a threat in the clutch, can't win without manipulating the teams, has an ego that doesn't match his actual ability, and is just soft compared to true greats. If you make me choose, I'm taking Bird.
Jordan didn't do shïtt for the NBA it was Bird and Magic that saved the NBA from going under and they have the 2 highest winning percentages in league history
What's more amazing is even though MJ had arguably the best individual season statistically in 88, he became an even better team player after that..... definitely the goat..... still taking Bird to save my life though.....
Yea, which is why I don't like people who only look at stats. They usually don't tell you the full picture. Bird and Jordan could have averaged a lot more in their primes if they wanted to,but it wasn't needed. They played collectively and to win,not for stats. And yes, in catch-n-shoot situations it's hard to pick anyone but Bird. Maybe Reggie.
The year MJ missed the Bulls dropped two games. The year Larry Bird missed the Celtics dropped 15 games. Don’t think I’m a hater by no means I’m just stating fact. Now knowing this fact who do you want on your team
The year MJ was out the Bulls dropped 2 games. The year Bird was out the Celtics dropped 15 games. I’m just stating fact. Now knowing this who do you want on your team. Sometimes the truth stings just a little
@@clifflawrence7479 not sure your point.....but still sticking with MJ as GOAT and Bird for the game winner.....I hope my opinion doesn't hurt your feelings too much
@@richarddoyle3340 myself I have three goats all at different positions. MJ, Bird and Kareem so no your not hurting my feelings at all even if you give a good argument about a different player. All I’m saying is that when you have 2 different teams and take just 1 player away from each team which team is hurt the most. Bull with MJ win 57. MJ leaves to play baseball and the Bulls win 55 without MJ. Not much of a difference. Celtics win 57 with Bird. The next year Bird is out because of surgery and the Celtics fall to 42 wins. Bottom line it’s a team sport and Bird made his teammates better and right there is the proof. Does that make Bird better? I’m not to sure about that but it sure gives you something to think about
Birds reflexes were so impressive man. His spacial reasoning was almost superhuman & he's also got Mum eyes*. And he did most of if playing hurt. Oh and by playing the better mental game too, telling opponents exactly what he was going to do et cetera. Fucking impressive dude man, competitive as all hell but not in a petty toxic way ya know? Love the dude. *okay, so, Mum Eyes is knowing where every other player is & what they're doing/about to do at all times, even behind you et cetera. The same way a mum always knows where her young kids are & what they're doing/about to do, even when theyre behind her or in another room.
No question on Larry Bird. Like Cooper said, he is so effective even without the ball. Where is LBJ when the team need his effectiveness other than scoring? They got excuses, blames from LBJ.
Larry had more hustle and endurance than any other NBA superstar in league history. Leading by that example is what’s sets him apart from any other player! Even opponents that beat him admitted that he wore them out!
Larry Legend beat ALL of the best players in the playoffs of his era....including MJ. (Swept 3 - 0 twice) Bird was king of his era MJ was of his Its not decidable
but lebron DOESNT have Birds KILLER mentality OR Jordans KILLER mentality. THATS what separates THESE two guys from EVERY one else (PLUS their skill AND fundamentals AND efficiency). . Lebron is much more like Bird than MJ (except for the shooting but in the all around game aspect, though bird was even MORE all around). KOBE is more similar to MJ. but if im starting a team, there is NO WAY i can pick lebron over MJ or Bird. NO WAY. maybe 3rd, over kareem.. MAYBE.
… I’m taking Bird ! Jordan didn’t win a dam thing til bird was on his way out and Bird is way more clutch ! And LeBron ain’t even in the same conversation with either of them…
Bird passing the basketball meant an easy bucket to McHale or Parish who were reliable post scorers. Bird making the contested jump shot to the basket was usually an easy bucket which is why he made the best defenders look stupid and fell for the fakes every time. They knew to make the effort, even if it meant falling for his fakes, than to not contest him but Bird had all the tricks. When Jordan passed the ball, it was a more usual given he needed the ball back to score for the team. That was why Bird was so dangerous. I'm saying this as someone who has to admit that Jordan is the GOAT.
They're only pointing out the FACT that MJ had an inferior TEAM compared to all those other teams Zeke mentioned smh. We're just gonna overlook the elephant in the room lol! The reality is MJ was the BEST PLAYER(not best team) when he "first" entered the league, til he retired in 98 period. Let's not cap, if MJ had those same 84 college players he played with that beat Magic, Bird and Isaiah in that Olympic exhibition game, then we already know what an 80's MJ would have done with a decent to good team in the 80's against those great historic teams "his team" lost to.
Facts. It only strengthens Jordan's case as GOAT when you have to dig on those garbage Bulls teams and compare them to the 86 Celtics lol. Only Jordan is held to that level of standard.
Now before everybody gets real tough on MJ. Not a single player in history had to overcome an NBA legacy like the Magic and Larry Bird legacy. Once Mike did, tho....🐐
This is just a < Making the case> kind of video for L..B. But are you gonna ignore that MJ( with the ball ) could score on you , averaged nearly a 30/10/10 triple double as a P.G. Without the ball a lockdown defender & great help defender.. Let's ignore that LB was in his prime ( with 4 other H.O.F players) when MI came in. Yes MJ was no competition for L.B in his 1st 5 years & L.B was no competition for MJ in his last 5 years either Different career trajectories , can,t blame either for the no real rivalry between them( opposite peaks).
Larrry duh, Jordan learned everything from Bird, more athletic but not a better ALL around player! Simple as that, Larry destroyed Jordan time and time again, prove that wrong!
#8 seed vs. #1 seed. Jordan came to garbage, Bird had DJ (Finals MVP), Kevin McHale (arguably best post moves ever), Robert Parish, Bill Walton off the bench. Bird retired in 1992. Where was he when the Bulls got their pieces? He had 2 seasons with 50+ win teams in the late 80's , Failed to meet Jordan in playoffs. I hate it when people compare #8 seeds with #1 seeds. Only 4 times in NBA history has an #8 seed knock off a #1 seed. 🙄🙄
Don't forget about Parish. There is no way people can rationally bash Jordan for losing to those Celtics teams. They had 4 Hofers as starters,Hofer coach,great bench. The 1986 Celtics went 40-1 at home. Meanwhile a young Jordan was playing to guys who had never made an All star team.
you dont get dpoy for having the MOST STEALS.. or being the steals LEADER.. it CAN get it for you. plenty CENTERS have won it lol.. so yea he was DPOY AND LED THE LEAGUE IN STEALS
Life on the line, Im with Pat Riley. Jordan was great under presure... But there is no colder dude on planet earth in those situations than Larry Bird. We should all thank the lord Larry chose to play Basketball cuz if he decided to be a mob boss, we would all be in big fakkin trouble.
This is why it’s so hard to pick a GOAT. On any given day Kareem is better than MJ but Bird was better than Kareem this time but MJ dominated these guys later and LeBron was just carrying lottery teams to the finals then Kobe won without Shaq…but Shaq won without Kobe, Wilt dropped 100 points, the Big O was a triple double machine…maybe it should just be at that time that guy was the GOAT or by position even. Bron and Jordan don’t even play the same position or have the same responsibility on the court. Larry vs Bron is a better comp. Mike vs Kobe or Jerry West. Magic, Steph, Isiah as the greatest PG? Shaq, Wilt Russell or Kareem, or if you’re daring, Hakeem. Really the only spot I don’t have multiple GOAT candidates for is P.F. cuz it’s Timmy D then everyone else. But I’m always confused as to how Timmy D gets overlooked for GOAT status, he got five and was the key player for all of them, Spurs weren’t winning without even late career TD. His finals record rivals Kobe and Magic’s but he wasn’t flashy or noisy so we forget about him. Ijs you can make a good case for a handful of guys as greatest basketball player of all time. I personally think MJ has the greatest overall package on and off the court but I’m never going to say other guys don’t have a strong case.
peak players should be compared, like you wouldnt compare 2023 LeBron with 88 MJ or 86 Bird. just not fair. Bird play actually 7 years at 100% and if you check the stats, in the first 7 years, there is no other player close to him. In modern basketball (70s-now). like Bird made his teammates great, while LeBron left Cleveland to a superteam because was unable to carry the team, MJ had to wait for great players to join the bulls, Lakers had Kareem, one of the players in the GOAT talk. think about it. I know at the end of the day everybody prefer what they saw playing (like me, rather take bird than any other player to start my franchise). Mike was a phenomenon, while bird/magic rescued bball, MJ took it world wide, from fashion to style of playing. i guess at the end of the day is a personal choice and mine is Bird over anybody.
@Dream Team Neal it's because LeQueen Dingleberry James till the game is decided to stat pad ir doesn't have the nerve to take the game winning shot he doesn't know how to make his teammates better cause he always wants the spot light on him during the game and after
Now I'll give it to this video. Jordan never beat Bird, or the pistons in the 80's, until his team got more experienced. BUT you have to hold your GOAT lebron to the same standards. He never beat Paul pierce, KG and Ray Allen, or Tim Duncan and company until he got better teammates, D Wade and Chris Bosh after 9 years in the league. As far as the Pistons, most of their players were in their late 20's when the Bulls finally beat them. Isaiah said they were past their primes, false.
The fact they gotta put together these videos is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂 . Jordan made the nba the global sport it is today. He did things bird could only dream of. You can fool yourself but until someone gets 200 steals and 100 blocks in back to back seasons you not better than mike. Jordan is a goat on both ends. Lastly if you think jordan didnt make people look stupid your beyond crazy. Larry bird never had more moves than jordan you cant rewrite history. So all of the sudden bad back larry is da goat n everyone had it wrong😂😂😂😂😂😂
LOL him NOT winning in the STACKED 80s is what you are holding AGAINST him? well im holding the finals loss to the severely UNDERDOG Dallas Mavericks against Lebron James. lol THATS your GOAT?.. LOL its either MJ or Bird. Lebron got swept TWICE in the FINALS and. lost 1-4 another TWO times. at least MJ is PERFECT in the finals.
David Stern help MJ win his titles in the 90s with RULE CHANGE to cut down PHYSICAL PLAY! Especially against the Detroit Pistons! And also the special treatment from the NBA refs, with those ticky-tak phantom calls for Jordan, made it harder for opposing teams to defend him!!! That is why the NBA of today is SOFT and less physical because of Michael Jordan!!! The 80s NBA were the GOLDEN YEARS in my honest opinion, because it was very physical and FAIRLY OFFICATED!!!
@@soramirez5473 your partly right, some teams were physical in the 90s, but unfortunately when playing against Jordan and the Bulls, there would be alot of phantom ticky-tak calls for Jordan when guarding him! Just like Tom Brady in the NFL, you couldn’t go near Jordan, or defend him, it would be a foul!!! Jordan in the 80s was a NON-FACTOR! He didn’t get that SPECIAL TREATMENT from the Refs until Jordan started complaining to the League and media that he was being physically abused/assaulted, by the Detroit Bad Boy Pistons, Jordan cried to the media that the Detroit Pistons were trying to end his career! That is when Commissioner David Stern came to the rescue, by adding NEW RULES and special treatment from the NBA Refs, which benefited Michael Jordan and the Bulls to win 6 titles in the 90s!!!
@@soramirez5473 I’ve been a great fan of Michael Jordan, but it was the media and Jordan worshippers I had a problem with. Then I realized how SOFT the NBA is today, and in my opinion, Jordan had something to do with that, which is nooo fault of him, David Stern had enough of the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons style of play, getting into almost every fight when playing against their opponents. The NEW Rule changes were needed in 90s for that reason, but unfortunately it went overboard & overblown after the “Malice in the Palace”, that hard fouls, talking trash, taunting, or celebrating after a dunk or score, became a TECHNICAL FOUL! That is where I have a with the NBA today!😕
Ohhhh helllll yea The GOAT Larry Legend Bird is better than Jordan cause Bird could do far more than Jordan and plus Jordan couldn't beat Bird plus Bird helped saved the league work Johnson and Bird created the 50 49 90 cat that Jordan couldn't even accomplish
no lebron DOES defer. Bird DID NOT. how many times has Lebron disappeared where he had no impact? I SAW him WATCH Kyrie BAIL HIM OUT. lebron wasnt assisting or getting rebounds. he FOLDED. Kyrie ROSE.
If i can make an all-time starting five, Larry Bird would be the first guy to it. Steph is my favorite player, Mike i can agree upon as the goat but Larry is just built different
# 1 BIRD # 2 JORDAN
# 3 MAGIC
Can't get enough Larry Legend. 🏀
Same here! BIRDGANG 🐦 🐦⬛ 😊
I can’t imagine anything else that gets me more pumped, than hearing that boston crowd chant Larry’s name. Gets to me every time.
Bird is the GOAT followed by jordan kobe and magic.
I agree entirely, and would follow them up with Kareem.
Jordan isn't top 3 it's Bird Magic and Chamberlain in whatever order you want
i"ll take Bird.. YOU can take Lebron.. dope reaction though.
I'll always take the Legend Larry Legend
during the toughest NBA era MJ wasn't he top dog. many talk about thet old players wouldn't be good today, but I say today's players would be eaten alive in the 80's.
I agree 100%
I'll take Bird...
I'll take Bird......when it comes to being the G.O.A.T., those two are the only ones in the stall.
HeLL no Jordan was a one truck point score score score that doesn't make him the GOAT it should between Bird and Chamberlain
I'm not gonna diminish Jordan, him and Bird are both the GOATS. LeBron isn't even close he isn't a threat in the clutch, can't win without manipulating the teams, has an ego that doesn't match his actual ability, and is just soft compared to true greats.
If you make me choose, I'm taking Bird.
Jordan didn't do shïtt for the NBA it was Bird and Magic that saved the NBA from going under and they have the 2 highest winning percentages in league history
What's more amazing is even though MJ had arguably the best individual season statistically in 88, he became an even better team player after that..... definitely the goat..... still taking Bird to save my life though.....
Yea, which is why I don't like people who only look at stats. They usually don't tell you the full picture. Bird and Jordan could have averaged a lot more in their primes if they wanted to,but it wasn't needed. They played collectively and to win,not for stats. And yes, in catch-n-shoot situations it's hard to pick anyone but Bird. Maybe Reggie.
The year MJ missed the Bulls dropped two games. The year Larry Bird missed the Celtics dropped 15 games. Don’t think I’m a hater by no means I’m just stating fact. Now knowing this fact who do you want on your team
The year MJ was out the Bulls dropped 2 games. The year Bird was out the Celtics dropped 15 games. I’m just stating fact. Now knowing this who do you want on your team. Sometimes the truth stings just a little
@@clifflawrence7479 not sure your point.....but still sticking with MJ as GOAT and Bird for the game winner.....I hope my opinion doesn't hurt your feelings too much
@@richarddoyle3340 myself I have three goats all at different positions. MJ, Bird and Kareem so no your not hurting my feelings at all even if you give a good argument about a different player. All I’m saying is that when you have 2 different teams and take just 1 player away from each team which team is hurt the most. Bull with MJ win 57. MJ leaves to play baseball and the Bulls win 55 without MJ. Not much of a difference. Celtics win 57 with Bird. The next year Bird is out because of surgery and the Celtics fall to 42 wins. Bottom line it’s a team sport and Bird made his teammates better and right there is the proof. Does that make Bird better? I’m not to sure about that but it sure gives you something to think about
Birds reflexes were so impressive man. His spacial reasoning was almost superhuman & he's also got Mum eyes*. And he did most of if playing hurt. Oh and by playing the better mental game too, telling opponents exactly what he was going to do et cetera. Fucking impressive dude man, competitive as all hell but not in a petty toxic way ya know? Love the dude.
*okay, so, Mum Eyes is knowing where every other player is & what they're doing/about to do at all times, even behind you et cetera. The same way a mum always knows where her young kids are & what they're doing/about to do, even when theyre behind her or in another room.
I love seeing people learning about Larry Bird. Making the Case is really good.
No question on Larry Bird. Like Cooper said, he is so effective even without the ball. Where is LBJ when the team need his effectiveness other than scoring? They got excuses, blames from LBJ.
Larry had more hustle and endurance than any other NBA superstar in league history. Leading by that example is what’s sets him apart from any other player! Even opponents that beat him admitted that he wore them out!
Larry Legend beat ALL of the best players in the playoffs of his era....including MJ. (Swept 3 - 0 twice)
Bird was king of his era
MJ was of his
Its not decidable
Life on the line I would choose The Legend.
but lebron DOESNT have Birds KILLER mentality OR Jordans KILLER mentality. THATS what separates THESE two guys from EVERY one else (PLUS their skill AND fundamentals AND efficiency). . Lebron is much more like Bird than MJ (except for the shooting but in the all around game aspect, though bird was even MORE all around). KOBE is more similar to MJ. but if im starting a team, there is NO WAY i can pick lebron over MJ or Bird. NO WAY. maybe 3rd, over kareem.. MAYBE.
… I’m taking Bird !
Jordan didn’t win
a dam thing til bird
was on his way out
and Bird is way more
clutch ! And LeBron
ain’t even in the same
conversation with
either of them…
That Magic and Birds era, they came after Kareem. Then MJ after Magic Bird era
Who founded the 40-50-90 club in the NBA
Bird passing the basketball meant an easy bucket to McHale or Parish who were reliable post scorers. Bird making the contested jump shot to the basket was usually an easy bucket which is why he made the best defenders look stupid and fell for the fakes every time. They knew to make the effort, even if it meant falling for his fakes, than to not contest him but Bird had all the tricks. When Jordan passed the ball, it was a more usual given he needed the ball back to score for the team. That was why Bird was so dangerous. I'm saying this as someone who has to admit that Jordan is the GOAT.
The battle for the Big Mac. The battle to end all battles. Who is in that commercial?.......
I’m taking Bird, and living!
Bird off top
Go Michael
They're only pointing out the FACT that MJ had an inferior TEAM compared to all those other teams Zeke mentioned smh.
We're just gonna overlook the elephant in the room lol!
The reality is MJ was the BEST PLAYER(not best team) when he "first" entered the league, til he retired in 98 period.
Let's not cap, if MJ had those same 84 college players he played with that beat Magic, Bird and Isaiah in that Olympic exhibition game, then we already know what an 80's MJ would have done with a decent to good team in the 80's against those great historic teams "his team" lost to.
Facts. It only strengthens Jordan's case as GOAT when you have to dig on those garbage Bulls teams and compare them to the 86 Celtics lol. Only Jordan is held to that level of standard.
Larry is still my favorite.
Sing #BirdGang: LARRY LARRY LARRY LARRY!
I will take Bird…he is the greatest all around player (and my favorite 😉)
Now before everybody gets real tough on MJ. Not a single player in history had to overcome an NBA legacy like the Magic and Larry Bird legacy.
Once Mike did, tho....🐐
He didn’t win until the Celtics were past their primes and racked with injuries or he never would have won six NEVER
Only after they left
This is just a < Making the case> kind of video for L..B.
But are you gonna ignore that MJ( with the ball ) could score on you , averaged nearly a 30/10/10 triple double as a P.G.
Without the ball a lockdown defender & great help defender..
Let's ignore that LB was in his prime ( with 4 other H.O.F players) when MI came in.
Yes MJ was no competition for L.B in his 1st 5 years & L.B was no competition for MJ in his last 5 years either
Different career trajectories , can,t blame either for the no real rivalry between them( opposite peaks).
Larrry duh, Jordan learned everything from Bird, more athletic but not a better ALL around player! Simple as that, Larry destroyed Jordan time and time again, prove that wrong!
#8 seed vs. #1 seed. Jordan came to garbage, Bird had DJ (Finals MVP), Kevin McHale (arguably best post moves ever), Robert Parish, Bill Walton off the bench. Bird retired in 1992. Where was he when the Bulls got their pieces? He had 2 seasons with 50+ win teams in the late 80's , Failed to meet Jordan in playoffs. I hate it when people compare #8 seeds with #1 seeds. Only 4 times in NBA history has an #8 seed knock off a #1 seed. 🙄🙄
Don't forget about Parish. There is no way people can rationally bash Jordan for losing to those Celtics teams. They had 4 Hofers as starters,Hofer coach,great bench. The 1986 Celtics went 40-1 at home. Meanwhile a young Jordan was playing to guys who had never made an All star team.
I’m taking Mr Bird all day long
you dont get dpoy for having the MOST STEALS.. or being the steals LEADER.. it CAN get it for you. plenty CENTERS have won it lol.. so yea he was DPOY AND LED THE LEAGUE IN STEALS
Life on the line, Im with Pat Riley.
Jordan was great under presure... But there is no colder dude on planet earth in those situations than Larry Bird.
We should all thank the lord Larry chose to play Basketball cuz if he decided to be a mob boss, we would all be in big fakkin trouble.
to be fair to jordon he was going up against some elite competition and he didn't have the team to beat any of those teams.
This is why it’s so hard to pick a GOAT. On any given day Kareem is better than MJ but Bird was better than Kareem this time but MJ dominated these guys later and LeBron was just carrying lottery teams to the finals then Kobe won without Shaq…but Shaq won without Kobe, Wilt dropped 100 points, the Big O was a triple double machine…maybe it should just be at that time that guy was the GOAT or by position even. Bron and Jordan don’t even play the same position or have the same responsibility on the court. Larry vs Bron is a better comp. Mike vs Kobe or Jerry West. Magic, Steph, Isiah as the greatest PG? Shaq, Wilt Russell or Kareem, or if you’re daring, Hakeem. Really the only spot I don’t have multiple GOAT candidates for is P.F. cuz it’s Timmy D then everyone else. But I’m always confused as to how Timmy D gets overlooked for GOAT status, he got five and was the key player for all of them, Spurs weren’t winning without even late career TD. His finals record rivals Kobe and Magic’s but he wasn’t flashy or noisy so we forget about him. Ijs you can make a good case for a handful of guys as greatest basketball player of all time. I personally think MJ has the greatest overall package on and off the court but I’m never going to say other guys don’t have a strong case.
1 thing I know for sure is you never pick Lebron to hit a shot to win anything!!!!! Larry might be better than Mike, he’s leagues ahead of Lebron!
Bird made so many players better.
Hey you should react to Pete Maravichs 68 point game
peak players should be compared, like you wouldnt compare 2023 LeBron with 88 MJ or 86 Bird. just not fair. Bird play actually 7 years at 100% and if you check the stats, in the first 7 years, there is no other player close to him. In modern basketball (70s-now). like Bird made his teammates great, while LeBron left Cleveland to a superteam because was unable to carry the team, MJ had to wait for great players to join the bulls, Lakers had Kareem, one of the players in the GOAT talk. think about it. I know at the end of the day everybody prefer what they saw playing (like me, rather take bird than any other player to start my franchise). Mike was a phenomenon, while bird/magic rescued bball, MJ took it world wide, from fashion to style of playing. i guess at the end of the day is a personal choice and mine is Bird over anybody.
BIRD!
@Dream Team Neal it's because LeQueen Dingleberry James till the game is decided to stat pad ir doesn't have the nerve to take the game winning shot he doesn't know how to make his teammates better cause he always wants the spot light on him during the game and after
Plumbers and firemen. I will never not think of that stupid comment.
Now I'll give it to this video. Jordan never beat Bird, or the pistons in the 80's, until his team got more experienced. BUT you have to hold your GOAT lebron to the same standards. He never beat Paul pierce, KG and Ray Allen, or Tim Duncan and company until he got better teammates, D Wade and Chris Bosh after 9 years in the league. As far as the Pistons, most of their players were in their late 20's when the Bulls finally beat them. Isaiah said they were past their primes, false.
The fact they gotta put together these videos is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂 . Jordan made the nba the global sport it is today. He did things bird could only dream of. You can fool yourself but until someone gets 200 steals and 100 blocks in back to back seasons you not better than mike. Jordan is a goat on both ends. Lastly if you think jordan didnt make people look stupid your beyond crazy. Larry bird never had more moves than jordan you cant rewrite history. So all of the sudden bad back larry is da goat n everyone had it wrong😂😂😂😂😂😂
Larry didn't have a better team Jordan did Volaris till 1
LOL him NOT winning in the STACKED 80s is what you are holding AGAINST him? well im holding the finals loss to the severely UNDERDOG Dallas Mavericks against Lebron James. lol THATS your GOAT?.. LOL its either MJ or Bird. Lebron got swept TWICE in the FINALS and. lost 1-4 another TWO times. at least MJ is PERFECT in the finals.
David Stern help MJ win his titles in the 90s with RULE CHANGE to cut down PHYSICAL PLAY! Especially against the Detroit Pistons! And also the special treatment from the NBA refs, with those ticky-tak phantom calls for Jordan, made it harder for opposing teams to defend him!!! That is why the NBA of today is SOFT and less physical because of Michael Jordan!!! The 80s NBA were the GOLDEN YEARS in my honest opinion, because it was very physical and FAIRLY OFFICATED!!!
@@jeffreyknopf8959 the 80s were better than the 90s BUT the 90s had physical teams like the KNicks, Pacers and Heat so shut ur mouth up lol
@@soramirez5473 your partly right, some teams were physical in the 90s, but unfortunately when playing against Jordan and the Bulls, there would be alot of phantom ticky-tak calls for Jordan when guarding him! Just like Tom Brady in the NFL, you couldn’t go near Jordan, or defend him, it would be a foul!!! Jordan in the 80s was a NON-FACTOR! He didn’t get that SPECIAL TREATMENT from the Refs until Jordan started complaining to the League and media that he was being physically abused/assaulted, by the Detroit Bad Boy Pistons, Jordan cried to the media that the Detroit Pistons were trying to end his career! That is when Commissioner David Stern came to the rescue, by adding NEW RULES and special treatment from the NBA Refs, which benefited Michael Jordan and the Bulls to win 6 titles in the 90s!!!
@@jeffreyknopf8959 Im not a jordan fan, and I agree the 80s is the pinnacle of the sport, but to say the 90s werent physical is just wrong.
@@soramirez5473 I’ve been a great fan of Michael Jordan, but it was the media and Jordan worshippers I had a problem with. Then I realized how SOFT the NBA is today, and in my opinion, Jordan had something to do with that, which is nooo fault of him, David Stern had enough of the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons style of play, getting into almost every fight when playing against their opponents. The NEW Rule changes were needed in 90s for that reason, but unfortunately it went overboard & overblown after the “Malice in the Palace”, that hard fouls, talking trash, taunting, or celebrating after a dunk or score, became a TECHNICAL FOUL! That is where I have a with the NBA today!😕
Ohhhh helllll yea The GOAT Larry Legend Bird is better than Jordan cause Bird could do far more than Jordan and plus Jordan couldn't beat Bird plus Bird helped saved the league work Johnson and Bird created the 50 49 90 cat that Jordan couldn't even accomplish
hell no bird is not better than Jordan.....But Bird was top five
no lebron DOES defer. Bird DID NOT. how many times has Lebron disappeared where he had no impact? I SAW him WATCH Kyrie BAIL HIM OUT. lebron wasnt assisting or getting rebounds. he FOLDED. Kyrie ROSE.
yes much bater
BUT , they lost that shit !
If i can make an all-time starting five, Larry Bird would be the first guy to it. Steph is my favorite player, Mike i can agree upon as the goat but Larry is just built different