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CPS blew it. They should have offered the mother individualized parenting education so that she could better understand how to protect her children. Instead, they wait until the last minute? When the father is ready for the kids to go home? Moving the goalpost like that is not appropriate. This is a perfect example of why clients do not trust CPS.
She already did her parenting classes.
100% true.
I don't understand how someone needs parenting classes to know you have to keep a decently clean home and have food for your kids. If someone is that drug addled or intellectually disabled that they can't figure that out then they shouldn't have their children. I think a 12 year old could do better than some of these parents. The father may be a good parent but mom seems way way out there and just has zero understanding of what's expected. I wouldn't want her left alone with the kids.
I agree with you. This is inappropriate and egregious behavior on the part of CPS. The CASA was THE perfect parent apparently, never making a parenting mistake in her life. 🙄
Thank you and so so so well said!
Also I’m sorry but a parent not having a license is not a reason to keep their kids from them. I choose not to have a license due to a bad wreck in my past, it gives me extreme anxiety. But my kids don’t miss a single appointment. They don’t miss school. This is a huge stretch.
Same ! I was in a bad car accident as well . I choose not to drive there is uber lyft taxis my kids never missed school I was at every pt conference drs appointment iep meeting therapy appointment music lesson concert play football game graduation college drop offs/ pickups and the list goes on and on and on . Having a license doesn't stop u from parenting it just means we don't pay for gas and insurance .
That wasn't a major issue in the end.
Yes as someone in the field, these dcbs people are absolutely on a power trip finding any reason they can. You are allowed to not have a license. You are also allowed to have the dad change diapers instead of mom. You are allowed to be a parent even if you are developmentally delayed. As long as it gets done (and it seems like everything except keeping the house tidy was being done just fine). Also, they said there was “no food” in the house but they receive a relatively low amount of money in SNAP, meaning dad likely made enough money for food. Maybe they liked to eat out or he could bring food home from work each night. Even if they didn’t have a lot of food, they weren’t spending it on drugs bc they came back clean. That is family in need of additional resources not having their kids ripped from them.
It may really shock you to know that some people have to have car insurance even if they have no car. Our system has issues that defy logic and all reasoning.
My husband who is an asylee in a Scandinavian country lost his driver’s license for a year, after getting 2 or 3 speeding tickets. He has sole custody of 3 yr old twins and not being allowed to drive is a massive PITA, but guess what? He uses public transport to get to work, and he’d call the 911 equivalent if he had an emergency. It’s not that earth shattering.
I’ve seen parts of this case and understand that there are other issues… but yet they are taking the time to make it an issue. 😒
My sister had all 7 of her kids taken for 18 months. We went to court every time she did what they asked of her and her husband and for 18 months they had them in foster care that was horrible. They told her the only way for her to get her kids back was to divorce her husband and she did. They still played around with her and those kids. For some reason the judge was changed out and he got angry as the CPS could not answer one simple question… why where her kids removed in the first place. He turned to my sister and said the state owes you a huge apology and I am deeply sorry that you and your kids had to go through this and he ordered the kids to be returned immediately. They kids have never been the same and she was scared to even punish them after that.
They are supposed to be in the business of family, but they are truly family destroyers how dare CPS or casa or anyone tell her to divorce to get kids back sick just evil and sick
Hope she sued the fuck out of them
Did they get remarried?
I can't believe the judge implied he should leave his wife, and the children would be returned.
Can't believe she said "how committed he is to the relationship."
Ffs. They're married.
Smh
She's despicable.
This judge is disgusting
If leaving the person that's the reason I couldn't be with my children. Then I'd leave that person. These are the sacrifices you make to have your kids safe
The CASA worker is testifying to stuff way out of her wheelhouse. She needs to return to training and learn her place
She's unprofessional to say the least
What is her place? Just so I understand.
She's guardian ad litem and her role is to articulate for the children regardless of what cps or anyone else is testifying. I agree she was blunt a lot but I prefer that in testimony as otherwise people get all caught up like the caseworker in trying not to just say things. What is it she said that isn't in that role? I want to understand the perspective.
@@LaZeeWitch she is CASA, not a medical terminology expert, as she stated.
@@terriedotson7323 ah OK, so it's only that part where she medicalised what she saw at the meeting that is not her place?
@@LaZeeWitch yes.
I agree with so many of the other comments. One additional thing I would point out, as a previous CASA worker, I know parents (especially younger parents) would feel intimidated being watched and evaluated. I bet the mother is warmer to and more interactive with her children without an audience.
I agree, she looks and sounds very young .
And so what if the dad is more hands on and "motherly"... that is a ridiculous reason to keep these kids.
@@awkwardautistic Yeah the sexism in that had me coming unglued. SO WHAT if Dad is the primary caregiver!!! I've known families where Dad was the more "motherly" one and it had 0 negative affects on the kids. If anything I'd say they turned out better for it. Also the casa's judgement on the Mom being playful and joining in on playing turning into something sexual irritated me too, to the kids I'm sure it was just fun.
This!! Im sure it’s a little hard to be motherly when someone is watching your every move like a hawk. You’d be afraid to mess up so in your head it’s best fo do as little as possible so you won’t be scrutinized.
I've supervised visits before and I have seen mothers not engaged with the children. As a worker, it's their job to report all concerns and interactions with the children. Maybe the mother is nervous being supervised, but when you barely get to see your children there should be some interactions regardless of who is there. The agency is wrong to wait so long to report this. The other worker should have also counseled the mother during any incidents, promote engagement and access with mom what barriers does she believe she has regarding interacting with the children. I had a mother with mental health issues that was just genuinely afraid that she would hurt her baby just by holding her.
These officials just seem hell bent to keep these kids from the parents. There are many parents out there who may not be as "smart" as others, that doesn't mean they're incapable. This one sickens me. In fact several of these just are so sad to me. Thank you for sharing, it is really eye opening.
I've seen it many times. I work with a nonprofit similar to PAT. We're a home visitation program that provides parenting education and support. I had a single mom with a small support group and some cognitive delays due to childhood trauma. Mom had a part-time job, received every state benefit possible, utilized public transportation, and took the baby to all pediatric visits and to every free activity offered in town. Mom was also a civil rights activist who spoke out against CPS and other government agencies. CPS took her baby, at 10 p.m. alleging neglect. CPS said since mom didn't have a large support group she may not know how to parent baby as she gets older. They said with her cognitive delays she may not know how to figure out how to care for baby as she ages! They grasped at every straw they could find but the judge said it was ludicrous and returned the baby.
Did you watch the full video before commenting this? After watching fully I can see that the mother isn’t going to be capable of taking care of these kids by herself, all they need is for childcare to be in place while dad is at work and I think the problem is solved, it’s not her fault but she’s slow and I’ve seen the neglect that can happen when a mother is slow and has to care for children while dad is at work, a lot of neglect can happen and injuries to the children
@@ambermoon1401 Yes I did, and yes I agree mom will need support from Dad, family, childcare. But I agree with the lawyer that said it seems it will never be enough for cps.
@@ogcatlady Thank goodness for common sense judges!
The judge basically wants dad to separate from mom and live separately from her. Than he will get custody back immediately.
And that is gross
That is disgusting. Our Gov't has been allowed to get out of control.
THIS IS LEGALIZED KIDNAPPING. SO NOW THE STATES CAN REQUIRE A PARENT TO GET AN IQ TEXT AFTER GIVING BIRTH OR FACE REMOVAL? THIS IS ABSURD!! 🤬🤬🤡🤡
I watched the dad's lawyer on another case we're he was a CPS lawyer same scenario and he fought for the Aunt to keep the baby from the parents and they did everything asked of them. The parents in that case had drug issues and repeatedly tested negative and still wanted the Aunt to keep. There was no on going danger in that case either.
Yet in this case he is all for these parents cause he is dad's attorney, yet when he was CPS he wouldn't budge, but since he is the dads lawyer he all for the kids to return to parents.
This is why people don't like the system because even when you turn it around they still come up with these roadblocks that make no sense
They have no intention of giving these kids back
I've seen so many cases lately that makes me wonder wth is the point of cps. You can do everything they ask and they just keep moving the goalposts and adding more unnecessary crap. It's all about that money.
@@PansyFoh no, not crap… “services”. It’s not a meeting, it’s a “family group conference”. Ya see how they label these things?
What I find confusing is that there are many children we hear of that are in completely abusive homes and end up seriously hurt or worse, that CPS "can't" remove, yet these parents seem to be doing all they can and CPS and the judge keep moving the goal posts and making it hard for them to succeed.
It’s a small town, CPS there is probably flexing to justify their operation. In big cities the workers are completely overloaded. It’s sad that can’t be balanced out somehow.
So 2 of the things CPS thought were issues were no kitchen table and no drivers licenses?? Wtf do either of those have to do with proper parenting and child safety?
I would have spent my childhood in a foster home if they used those metrics for all parents.
I think 99% of the best parents would probably get criticized by CPS for something. I dropped my child off at my church's nursery once and had forgotten my diaper bag in the car so I didn't have a diaper to give them. They had plenty there and it was no big deal but CPS would say that I "failed to provide diapers for my child"... which yes, it's true, but it's taken way out of proportion. I pray I'm never put in the crosshairs of CPS.
I agree. If you let a kid be a kid and play outside and explore , you’re being negligent.. if you’re kid gets a scrape on their body from falling because they’re playing… you’re not watching your kid or you’re being abusive. It’s crazy how they want you to be perfect !!! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ I wouldnt be surprised if these CPS workers are trash parents . They’re just protected by their group of co workers. Don’t ever feel bad for forgetting a diaper bag. Us moms have plenty on our brain. And it may go blank for some moments .. that’s part of having a growing baby in your stomach, and giving birth. You are an amazing mama. Don’t ever let anyone tell you different. There is no book on how to parent or how to become a parent. It comes naturally, if your babies are loved, nurtured, fed, bathed, clothed, they have everything they want and need & you give them attention and teach them right from wrong then CPS can F off . 🤍
After watching fully I can see that the mother isn’t going to be capable of taking care of these kids by herself, all they need is for childcare to be in place while dad is at work and I think the problem is solved, it’s not her fault but she’s slow and I’ve seen the neglect that can happen when a mother is slow and has to care for children while dad is at work, a lot of neglect can happen and injuries to the children
Yup! My friend had cps called on her by a neighbor for her kids playing barefoot in the front yard. CPS thought that was bad enough to initiate an investigation. Crazy
CPS is like a black cloud hanging over every parent's head. It seems like once they are in, they are in you life for good.
Idk where you live, but no CPS investigator is wasting their time on a forgotten diaper bag.
This is ridiculous!!!! No home, no parent is perfect!!! CPS is outrageous.
In this instance.
Sadly mom is not 100% …..something is off with her…
@@irenekegel5988 We don't know what trauma she has suffered in her life, with services and therapy she can overcome this.. Doesn't mean she should be denied her children, they love her and need her as much as they need Father...
Please let's not forget we dont know the entire story. Removal of kids is not dependant on 1 CPS case worker.
In addition, did i hear the mention of the dad's rights terminated for a different child?
Having food in the house and the house being clean for at the time of a surprise visit is ok ..but are we forgetting the children arent there to make a mess or eat the food?
We have all seen cases of kids return home with monitoring and yes sometimes it works and sometimes it dosent. When it dosent work the children suffer so I would rather see CPS work with a keen eye than a sympathetic heart.
@@motherof1294 I agree with you ! But a clean house ,food in the fridge , her actions ,his actions count !
It's very very obvious they dont wanna give the children back to the parents and it's a shame! 4 hrs every two weeks supervised is gonna be impossible for the children and parents to properly bond for one! For two, why are they accusing mom of being unfit becoming she is immature. I still have my immature moments and I'm a wonderful mother! That's a horrible excuse to keep the kids away
Right!!! I would lose my mind only seeing my kids for 4 hours every 2 weeks!! That is absurd
They are clearly not talking about “immature moments” with her. If her mind is so childlike that the children’s safety is an issue, than her immaturity is critical. Obviously that word has a wide spectrum. You wouldn’t have an issue with someone saying an 8 year old isn’t mature enough to handle an emergency with a younger sibling. Some adults’ minds never develop past childhood or adolescence.
Just because you think you are a wonderful mother doesn’t make it true . All the mom in these case think there doing a great job.
Wow judge, glad you feel this is such a waste of your time. Smh. I'm sorry but one DAY without my children feels like forever and she acts like these parents should sit back and wait a WHOLE MONTH for her convenience. Just wow.
I had the exact same reaction. I'm honestly disgusted with the judge for this. So sorry to make you come to work today!
Right!!! She’s getting PAID to be there! It’s your job ma’am, hush and do it.
Great point. This entire hearing was disgusting and seemingly prejudiced.
This judge is a waste of tax payer dollars. Seems to me she's way to bias in favor of cps regardless if the parents are obviously good or bad. This is another case example of legalized abduction.
Same, I have NEVER liked this judge, in most of the cases I've seen she just goes along with CPS. HOW DARE the judge act like a month without their kids is a short time. Disgusting.
I wish the children's lawyer would have spoken up and asked more questions. I feel bad for these children
Me too, imagine being ripped away from your parents and being forced to live with strangers. Poor babies.
Most state appointed attorneys don’t give a damn like CPS.
@Lenet Moore not true at all. In my experience they take being GAL very seriously. They are court appoint to advocate what's in the best interest of the children.
@@butterflyforeve Gaurdian ad litem is CASA. Attorney ad litem is the kids lawyer. I know it’s so confusing. I’m a foster mother here in Texas and it took me awhile to figure it out. I still can’t figure out if my agency is my caseworker or case manager or if CPS is caseworker or case manager!🤣🤣🤣
@@kadenhiggins9338 if you’re a foster parent through a separate agency, then the agency assigns a case manager to you. The caseworker from CPS is assigned to the child(ren)/parent’s.
I think this is one of those hearings where the attorneys’ egos are clouding their judgments.
Which attorney? Cuz the only one I believe was wrong was the CPS attorney
That describes the CPS lawyer and ONLY the CPS lawyer
Wow… this is insane! I cannot imagine how these parents must feel right now. This is an abuse of power by CPS!!!!
In every way
This is why I left the child protection system - I couldn’t be part of a devastatingly broken system. The power goes to case workers head and everything they touch turns to trauma.
Amen to that!!
Having been a ward of the state I remember how they made it impossible for my mom to get us home. They ruined my family and childhood. They completely broke my mother while she was already fractured and in a fragile state.
They’re an evil institution driven by greed and power over adults in a distress.
Granted sometimes they do save children from harm but they also cause a lot of harm and unnecessary suffering
I really have to stop watching these before I need blood pressure meds. That's so unfair of the judge to ask dad to leave his wife or lose his kids smfh. How can anyone in their right minds be ok with this crap. We can all sit here and blame the parents. Say "oh this would never happen to me because...." but this just proves this can most definitely happen to anyone at any moment. They claim they have the kids best interests in mind. How can they kidnap kids, force them to live with strangers and act like that's in their best interests! That's bs! Give them babies back to their parents. Monitor them. In their home. That's not going to happen those because they only get the big bucks when the kids are yanked out of their home! Ugggggghhhhhhh. Something has to change because this system isn't working.
Best comment ever!!!
I'm yelling at my phone too... this is infuriating!
When did she ask him to leave her?
@@ambermoon1401 at the very end. She asked him if he’s committed to the relationship even if it meant she could return the kids to him if he was living on his own. She didn’t say it exactly like that but that’s the idea.
That is insane.
Maybe mom has post natal undiagnosed.
Have they bothered to assess her for that, and offer help. No
Just leave your wife. Wtf..
Dad's face when the children's lawyer suggests overnights ❤ wishing these parents all the best.
How do they want the woman to do more with the children when they won’t send the kids home? There’s no danger, the benefits of the new program is they will help her in the home with the children but won’t send them home. Makes no sense
The CASA worker reminds me of the old ladies in the grocery store that love to criticize young moms with their hands full but they haven't raised a kid in 30 years and have completely forgotten how difficult it is.
Absolutely! That’s a great way to describe her. So judgmental.
This CASA has great grandchildren. Her own kids are probably in their 50s now. There was not even internet when she raised her kids lol. Different world.
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I’m surprised by these replies, not bec of this case, but bec they’re so anti-woman and mean. That’s a dedicated woman who needs to work get paid and does so with passion. The person here to be shamed is the case worker who is completely unprepared and didn’t show communication skills worthy of her position.
No she raised kids not marshmallows that live in your basement playing video games until they are 40
I CANNOT believe this judge agreed with these CPS workers!!! They can say whatever the hell they want to say and the judge will evidently take them at their word. These workers obviously do not like the mother.
the parents are working hard to get their children back. It does sounds like CPS moved the goal posts at the last minute. rather than be supportive they seemed unprepared, cruelly judgemental. Mom may need some extra help, it should have been recognised and addressed months ago as both parents love the children and are making great efforts to improve their situation.
They go through all this to hold these children but let real abused children go back way too easily or never take them out at all!
What is with that CPS lawyer?!? She’s just hard to watch ugh
I can't express how shocked I am by this CASA worker! She is in no way qualified to make these allegations! Wow, I beieeve she would be fired if she hadn't retired.
She sounds so bitter and aggressive.
Absolutely she is completely inappropriate and I cringed during her testimony
I agree 💯 This Casa volunteer is awful!
Her entire demeanor is unprofessional too.
not to mention having her camera held right up to her face so you can only see one eye, it drives me nuts, I don’t need to see inside her mouth.
CPS should be helping this family but the lawyer irritates me
This was disgusting. They seem to have a vendetta against this family! That blonde woman with the glasses and the casa woman should be disciplined for this. Even the ad litem couldn't take it. They're hurting those children more by keeping them away from their parents.
Agree. If this one makes ya mad, don't watch the Jessica Showers and Emilio case. Cps helping the poor girls sister steal her damn baby.
I am so angry watching this. You hear of people losing their children to CPS when it should not have happened. There needs to be an investigation into the CASA worker and the handling of this case by CPS.
@@lilybug246 ditto.... I think this CASA has some issues
If you think little babies and children are safe under the care of someone with the brain power of an 8 year old then u leave ur babies with her. No way Jose
Did anyone else notice that the judge gave sympathy, concession & counsel to the (college educated & supposedly professional) CPS worker who couldn't clearly articulate the "danger" to the children if they were returned, yet that same consideration was not given to that young mother? It really bothered me the way they sat there & talked about her cognitive shortcomings.
It's all around disgusting.
This casa worker is vile is she a psychotherapist now diagnosing the mother that is SHOCKING
The only positive thing about these videos being made public is now the public can see what really happens every single day and hopefully it makes people want to see change . I'm glad the kids lawyer sees what is happening and is holding them accountable .
Also judges are Not supposed to be giving legal advice she is telling CPS how to testify
As a guardian ad litem this volunteer's "opinions" are maddening. She is an expert on "' medical terminology" and......wow! She is a piece of work and an embarrassment to my advocacy that I take so seriously.
Thought the same thing. You know terminology, that's very limited and does not qualify you to diagnose anyone. She was trying to say mom was on drugs even though every test has come back negative. Shut up and sit down
@@butterflyforeve totally agree! I am a retired RN of 25 years and I couldn’t make those assessments/assumptions of someone’s behavior! Get a grip!
I completely agree! Her calling the mother creepy and calling herself an expert in terminology....ugh....not what you are there for! I was completely infuriated when she said that the mother was incapable of learning to be proactive...sounded to me like the mother pro-actively sought out daycare information.... my heart goes out to this mother and father and good for him for not wanting to ditch her just to get the kids....the visitation should be increased and they should be able to have the ordered services for support
I agree to the inappropriatness of her comments on drugs, terminology, etc. But I think her observations were helpful and astute.
@@kadenhiggins9338 Actually, yes you could. As an RN, you would absolutely be able to say that you suspect someone is on drugs based on their behaviour.
1:12:05 Ontropolis he wasn't yelling at CASA his tone didn't change even once.... He merely asked his questions. Didn't yell.
Right? I often wonder if we are watching to same hearings
This is a gross example of a CPS over reach. The mom obviously looks like she is shy and there clearly is either a language barrier or a learning disability. These parents have done everything required by CPS and have taken accountability for their mistakes. I think they should be reunited with their children
The casa lady was filled with judgement and biased. She almost seemed to get off on the idea of talking bad about the mother. There’s a difference between sharing facts and what she did on the stand
Just by looking at the mother, I too wondered if perhaps there is a learning disability, she obviously takes a backseat to the father for some reason, could it be cognitive issues? I am quite surprised that it wasn't raised.
@@dellahicks7231 it really seems like it to me.
Judge should certainly resign and hope that karma is not real....and avoid contact with humans or animals
Connie is pissing me off and hasn't said a damn word! They have no intentions of giving these children back and this breaks my heart bc I can see the dad cares! SMFH ... I almost feel like they're reaching tbh
She’s full of eye rolls and head nodding…shaking her head…to me she has a very condescending attitude without speaking….she is irritating…
Omg I HATED HER!! All the disgusting faces she kept making. She genuinely pissed me off without saying a word
WHo is that lady? She's maddening!!
Do we know who she is? She didn't speak and was making so many inappropriate faces
This CPS attorney is trying hard to keep these kids away from the parents
God bless these precious parents. I can’t imagine the flaws they would find with me! 😢😢😢
This is so bizarre 😳 and scary. You see children being removed for very very small things like this, that makes no sense. Then the one's that truly need to be removed end up dead.
Exactly 😡
in my county two children were murdered by parents in a month cps dropped the ball here
The judge with her elbow on the table, leaning on her hand. 😳 So professional
And being mad that she has to do her job
If it was the father who was disengaged instead of the mother…would the mothering attention concern be the same?
Possibly not. However, she's going to be a main caregiver because he works a lot. She's got to be able to safely care for them
Cps is looking for a reason to keep these kids. AS A FORMER CPS worker I want to know. Are these kids in a foster to adopt home. Sounds like these kids are very young. THIS IS WHY I AM NO LONGER A CPS WORKER.
I don't even think foster to adopt should be allowed if it's someone's primary motivation for being a foster parent. Reunification should be the primary goal of the foster family unless/until the court orders otherwise. I can only imagine how it must feel as a parent to know the person watching your kids has no interest in you getting them back.
I do not like Connie Lopez shaking her head and making facial expressions. It's so unprofessional
Very and that just tells you how opinionated she is and how she’s taking it personally. Absolutely disgusting
She’s irritating and her eye rolls are very condescending….should not be allowed in court
As soon as I read this comment I saw her shake her head. She looks so straightlaced and miserable, I can't even look at her for too long.
I asked the same question 🙋🏻♀️ who tf even is she? She should have been admonished for all her facial expressions throughout this entire hearing. That blew my mind. Her behavior is unacceptable especially if she is there as a professional.
She is the Grandmother
Not being allowed to comment would be irritating considering she is being expected to provide care to the children. Not surprising she is showing frustration
This judge is awful today. I’ve never seen a judge so determined to follow one side with such attitude.
Completely unprofessional. Just pissed off she had to come to work today
If you have watched other videos of OnTropolis, this judge is actually one of the better ones. The reason she is upset is because these CPS workers and attorneys are taking up court time, asking for these at-whim hearings, when they were scheduled to meet a month later. There appears to be no basis to call this hearing, when there are so many other pressing CPS cases that need tending to.
Given that the CPS worker was ill prepared, demonstrates why she is upset, and I do not blame her.
This is absolutely, positively RIDICULOUS!! These CPS workers are doing everything in their power to keep these parents from getting their children back. Disgusting and outrageous!
Why doesn’t anyone question the casework’s intellect? That’s so rude to say that the mom is “stupid”. Has she had her IQ tested?! I would be so disheartened if I was the mom and people kept talking about me like that, like I wasn’t even there.and the judge basically telling the dad to leave the mother of his children. I’m so annoyed. 🤬🤬
She is young and she has a lot to learn. Children do not come with a handbook so she will learn as she goes. She can go to class to learn the basic needs of infants and children. The one thing that goes in to her favor is that both parents are working full time. If they need help to maintain a good environment for the child then they should get it. If they need the government to help with childcare, food, housing, and medical then they have every right to those programs… they work and pay taxes.
As long as they both are working then give the support.
I watched the prior permanancy hearing in this case, I wish it was still available for all of you to see. There was much testimony about dad' not having a driver license. They grilled him about the most ridiculous things like "Where would you go to take the written part of D L ? Who would be willing to let you use their car to practice driving ? Do you know how much it cost for driving school ? Do you know you would need to have ins if you buy a car ? I was screaming at the screen. Things that no parent who is not under CPS scrutiny would ever be questioned about. They were harrassing dad at one point. By end of hearing, CW stated that she could not say that kids would be at risk if returned. Judge stated that dad not having D L would put kids at risk if there was an emergency !!! I was fllored and so disappointed in this Judge's (who I usually like) decision to not return kids because no D L .
(Also, this CW sounds more like an advertisement for PAT than a CW trying to reunite families. )
Why is this freaking judge always smiling close to laughter??
She's a disgrace
I tend to smile/laugh when I'm either annoyed/angry/frustrated or trying to come up with a nice way to say something harsh. Like when she was smiling/chuckling before calling out the case worker for not being able to articulate things...I have a feeling she was trying to find a way to be tactful when she was clearly upset at the case worker's incompetence.
CPS if they have some serious doubt about these parents should just spit it out instead of having services added on
They only want these kids because they are little. If these were older kids, they would have given them back after the negative drug test.
Yes, this! Its only because they're easily placed and the foster family probably wants to adopt them. If they were moody teenagers they would have been back. CPS should be ashamed on their handling of this case.
I cannot believe the judge hinted that the dad should split up with the mom. That infuriates me. The way they talked about mom intellect pisses me off too. Sounds to me like a few people needs to be knocked off of their high horses.
Our system is so broken!! The judge was biased to CPS and borderline coached them how to testify and there was a very unprofessional CASA volunteer. This poor family. Their kids need to go home! They had no clear dangers and these parents have bent over backwards. CPS kept moving the goal post. The judge had ONE issue with mom because she didn’t see a child climb on the picnic table. If that’s the case then every mother should loose their kids cause we’ve all had those moments with our kids when we turn our backs for a moment 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
How dare they interrupt the judges time 🙄 So this is about the parents not having a driver’s license?! Unbelievable!! What a sick way to screw up a child!
This is actually scary. They can take your kids for anything. This judge is pitiful
The kids were removed due to drug use and mom's prior felony of arson resulting in major injury. Mom is still on parole. The CW is incompent and should have ordered more direct parenting instruction months ago.
CPS WILL find fault with EVERY PARENT.
I though reunification was the goal? It seems these folks are grasping at straws to keep them apart.
This is NOT OKAY!
Man this is a mess. Why is CPS doing this??? They aren't involved in high risk children and they knit pick parents who have tried to improve EVERYTHING to get their kids back. Where is the vigor with abused kids????
It's all about the money
I mean, the judge is getting paid to be there so why’s she so irritated
I think she’s irritated with the workers here…some couldn’t answer a question that was asked…or a couple of questions…..response that one gave was almost the same for 2 questions….like she had no idea how to answer.
@@patriciaevans5906 yeah she was irritated to be there before all that happened tho. She basically said she didn’t want to be there from the jump so they better not waste her time😬 when she’s getting paid to be there and that’s her job to do what she’s doing
Casa lady needs a smoke, and needs to retire
What a disaster! Casa never should have offended the mothers mental capacity.That was so wrong.Rediculous on cps they dropped the ball big time .
These parents need their children back!!!😡
this is what happens when you have bad CPS lawyers. They don't review the cases with the caseworkers and just assume. These caseworkers and investigators ate given very min court training...if any at all. I had no court training and just had to wing it.
Plus they swap workers around from the case, far too much.
All this time this Bradley woman has had.... And NOW wants to bring all this up? Snakes.
Nope, Sarah from CASA is on a power trip! A cut on the top of the foot does not make someone a bad mother! BINGO...She wants to see these kids adopted out!
She is the worst!
28 mins in & I’m not liking that they were referred for more services delaying this case because dad was more motherly than mom. That’s micromanaging. They should want a normal, safe family not what they deem as perfect.
Edit: this is egregious. These kids need to be back with their parents. No parent is perfect, they need to be safe not perfect by the definition of CPS.
It's also extremely sexist, in my opinion.
@@bobbiec2829 definitely
So dad can’t be the primary caregiver? In so many families the female is the primary caregiver. Dad can be that person, simple! Mum works much more, dad works less and assumed the role of primary cater. The children go to daycare, the grandmother helps out. The mother works a lot and does her set, routine chores in the house as many males have done in the past and to this day.
"Life gave her limited abilities " 😂😂😂
This CASA woman is overstepping. Accusing Angel of using synthetics and saying "God created Angel with limitations" was WAY out of line. She is not qualified. I cringed the entire time.
Ms BRADLM2 is hell bent on not returning these kids, I know of many parents that do not have drivers licenses, they are not required.
CPS should be ashamed of trying to take children from a mother with some disabilities.
Dude, her disabilities are concerning. There was not enough time to feel comfortable leaving her with the girls. We shouldn't excuse someone because of their disabilities...I feel like we get away with a lot because people pity us but a disabled person can be a neglecting parent. She just needs to learn from what they are providing her.
I pray these children get home and a good civil rights attorney sues CPS pants off
Good grief!! This one is tough. Dad is a dad and Mom just doesn't have it yet. Maybe she's simply not mentally capable. Idk! But ik if that's the situation, CPS needs to provide MORE services! At what point does it become illegal for withholding these babies?
I do not like that CASA worker. She is rude regarding her "beliefs " of medical situations
The lawyer is nailing that worker and I’m loving it. Return her children!
CPS lawyer seems to be trying to trip her up. She is obviously not intelligent but certainly not necessary to try to make her look stupid
This is really egregious. No reason these kids can’t go home at this point
This isn't the first case I've seen like this, unfortunately. Very scary.
They seem like good people. I don't know how they got here, but they seem to be pulling things together very well. CPS, it seems to me, should be doing more to support and encourage rather than what feels like negative intrusion.
No food in the house and dirty home. Come on people. The mom may be on meds that keep her from being the mom she needs to be. Dad can’t do everything.
@@juanitabrown7998 why can’t dad do everything their is single parents every day with no other parents that does everything! Although I seriously don’t think he will have to do everything maybe they have a plan she do the house work the baths together whatever they decide
This is about keeping those kids in the system not getting them out of it.
This is about money...
Yes it is. And the judge is in on it
Why do they need licenses? All parents not involved with CPS don't have licenses. WTW????
WOW!! Mr. Cabrera had more sense than anyone in this entire hearing. I think that Ms. Bradley, the CPS lawyer, was the most inappropriate & condescending I have ever seen. CPS seems through this hearing to wanna keep these kids. Ms. Bradley was point blank rude, as was Ms."Olden" Holden. I hate it for the kiddos in this tug-of-war between CPS & these parents.
She was SO condesending. The way she spoke to the mother, I thought she may not speak English well. But the mother speaks just fine. Goodness.
She spoke to the mother like a child at first then turned ugly. So rude!!
“Olden Holden”😂😂😂
They way she was condescending, by saying cashier was ticking me off.
I haven't watched the whole thing yet. However, they seriously withheld the kids over a kitchen table? A lot of people dont have a kitchen table. Is that considered a removable offense for cps now? Food understandable, but at the same time, why are they advocating having a fridge full of perishable food for the kids when they aren't present? It makes absolutely no sense. You can tell this is all about the bonus the cps worker receives for keeping the kids away from the parents long enough to strip parental rights.
It sounds someone from persons with disabilities should be in the meeting. Plus the judge should tell Connie Lopez to stop rolling her eyes
Yes, no empathy at all. Casa and the '" rolling eyes " person must be high IQ. By empathy I mean show respect and compassion.
Absolutely!
AGREED!
YES. Great point ! I have seen cases where a GAL was assigned to a parent due to cognitive delays. If they are using this mom's delays as a reason for keeping kids from her, they should have assigned her a GAL. Maybe her atty should have requested that for her.
If mom wasn't as engaged with the kids this entire time why did the department wait until December to mention it? Why didn't they address this issue early on... The attorney is spot on. If it was an issue the entire time why wait until this far in to recommend a program when it should have been addressed immediately. If mom only started this behavior in December there has to be a reason...
😳 when she mentioned possible drug use is too much! Why is the judge allowing this behavior???
I believe the mother may be a bit delayed, but that's something that can be worked on. I've worked with life skills children for 20 years, and they can certainly be taught to be independent and responsible. She can absolutely be taught to be proactive. My children are grown now, but I can't count how many times my husband and I joined in play time with our children. I still find myself calling him Daddy when one of them are with us. It's not weird or creepy! Return the children, and temporarily don't allow the mother to be alone with the children.
She was convicted of felony Arson and Assault and was on Probation for 7 freaking years.
@OneMore Thing A lot of people have committed Felonies and Assaults in their past. A lot of people can be rehabilitated. Sounds like she can be. She definitely needs services and continued support. Like I said, she shouldn't be alone with the children. This case shouldn't be approaching a year if both parents have been cooperating.
With CPS I agree that they have a very difficult job as if they let the kids home and something goes wrong it is on their asses. In saying that, I can say if they went into 10 random families without any CPS being called, they would find enough if they looked hard enough to take every child away…..
Exactly...pulling children out of their home over some petty bullshit and moving them into a stranger's home...that might be worse than the home they were taken from... is not in a child's best interest.
Big fat no on that Cada worker. She was stretching to find problems with the mother. So what if the mother is immature,, that doesn't make her a danger. When she came up with that "tardive diskenesia" diagnosis I was SMH!!
The mom doesn’t engage.. But then she was playing with the kids in the swing it was “bizarre “. I felt really bad for the mom because I seriously have sat on a swing at the park with my kids and literally said “Daddy, Push me”. I don’t have any intellectual issues! LOL! It’s just modeling behavior and playing on their level.
The mom is capable of working as a cashier and works full time! She is not mentally handicapped. They have no diagnosis of that and presuming that is horrible! She called the day care but she can’t save a slot till they get the kids home! She stated she called in January to ask about if they took the CPS payments… but she wasn’t working yet so she didn’t inquire about times/slots.
You wanna talk about cps sabotage THIS IS IT!! The Judge needs to call a conflict and assign a different worker immediately. I’m shocked she allowed this & I’m only 40 mins in
Edit: If you’ve ever seen a supervised visit with a cps worker it’s literally gut wrenching & the most uncomfortable thing. I am able to foster in my state & other states, I have no criminal record & have a great record with cps however when my sister was in this situation & I went with her I felt like a child bc they literally sit 5 feet from you with a clipboard constantly writing what you do what you say how you move & what you don’t do. It’s nerve wrecking to say the least. They watch your every move & will interrupt your visit to tell you what to do/not do. That retired vegetable inspector had no right to make such serious allegations & I was listening at first but then she went way to far!!!!
You can't bond with a child that's not with you!
Absolutely!!
Foster/Adopted mom here, I'm allowed to supervise visits in my state and all I can do is address my concerns to CPS, like if I feel the child is in danger or if I thought the parents were intoxicated/high/under the influence. If I deem the child is unsafe I can end a visit at any time.
I've done it once in 13 years and that was bc mom and dad were taking turns to go to the restroom to shoot m3th.
To much POWER is given to CPS!
@@amybaby04 fully agree. They hold way too much sway with the courts. It's like just bc they work for CPS the courts think they are incapable of wrong doing. They are human too, they can lie just as easily as the next person.
In the past I have advocated against many parents getting their kids back. After watching many of these proceedings I have done a complete 180. It is so obvious they have little intention of EVER returning these kids to the mother. Who are they to play God? Why did they take them in the first place? So the mother isn’t the brightest bulb in the pack - that is no reason to deny her custody of her children. How did these CPS and CASA workers’ children turn out? We’re they perfect parents? Did their children ever get hurt? This is an outrageous case!! That BRADLM2 is a mean spiteful women. I am so glad I never had anything to do with these people. I know someone who did (unjustly) and her life was made a pure hell for over a year for an issue that should never have been reported. Disgusting!!!! This judge is a disgrace!! Maybe Cassandra doesn’t see the danger the way you do!! Her opinion does not have to be the same as mis angry face! The judge is an idiot!!
The judge should apply at Taco Bell if she so unhappy
Crazy thing is these kids were never in CPS care for being in danger or fear of abuse/negligence - but for drugs in the system.... They were never hurt before or "laying at the bottom of the stairs" or whatever 😂 my lord!!!! Give the parents back there kids. A comment about "there just so young still and have a lot to learn- so classes would 'benefit'" told me all I needed to know about the reaching happening here. Shame on this judge! Her judgement is so off, and she knows it! If she doesn't - she should loose her position or be investigated on past cases and reasons she kept families torn apart.
Dude,....yikes this judge. This case angers me so much
Could you imagine the outcome if we just picked random families for CPS to monitor for a week? Based on the seemingly arbitrary way they go about determining fitness of parents I wonder if any parents would be found fit if CPS’s survival relied on services to justify their existence…
Want to Thank You for your videos. I am a CASA and it has helped with some ideas as to a suggestion for what I can suggest in my case for the kiddo. So, THANKS again, you helped me out.
Thanks for what you do ❤
I surely hope you do a better job than what is on display here!
A year! This has been going on for a year!? Maybe mom is losing hope and starting to subconsciously distance herself from the children. I've seen it happen. The parent feels defeated or hopeless and feels nothing they do will help so they start to distance themselves. If they don't get the child back the separation is somewhat easier. Never easy, just easier
I see, that's very understandable and heart breaking! I did hear that it is a year now so she probably never expected it to be this long!
Judge is basically telling dad that if it were not for mom he would have his kids back, I hope he isn't the type to take it out on mom even verbally. scary
Based on these hearings it would seem there’s a benefit to dragging these cases out as long as possible. They must give a bonus for outside adoption.
It is ALL about funding! They drag these cases out to keep getting money from the federal government
I was thinking the same thing. These little girls must be really adorable and very adoptable. It seems like nothing these parents do will ever be good enough. If they really wanted to help these parents, they wouldn't order these "services," but instead would provide daycare for when the husband is at work, as another commenter noted. Problem solved. Attorney Hellrung nailed it when she said the department is grasping. The question the judge should be asking is why?
The one thing I do wish is that all here were only allowed 3 “um’s” during the entire meeting….it’s like every third word for some
And after the 3rd one they get charged for each time they use it afterwards
It seems like these agencies got involved due to drug use, which is legitimate, and once that was resolved, they immediately grabbed onto anything they could use as an excuse to continue to deprive these children of their parents and run their parents' lives. It's kind of sickening. And this judge totally rubs me the wrong way.
Yes it seems dad was the initial problem. Maybe once cps and cops were involved they saw moms history and are worried for the saftey of mom as well. But they can’t tell the mom to leave, but they can take the kids out of the situation. Dad seems possibly controlling to a mentally slow mom.
You can see why so many caseworkers don’t stay employed by CPS
This irritates me. Normally, mom's do most of the work, but cps says nothing about dads who don't change diapers. Cps doesn't care if the father has a bond with the children, but if mom doesn't, it's a problem, and the kids need to be somewhere else. This case they are literally grasping at straws to keep these people's children from them. Oh, because the roles are reversed, and dad does the majority of the work, it's a reason to withhold the children. Not having a kitchen table, jobs, and drivers licenses and having marks on their walls are legitimate reasons to withhold children from their parents. There are tons of households without those things, and cps isn't attempting to terminate parental rights in every one of those homes. They've done and completed every single thing that was asked of them for a year, and yet it's not enough. They literally said they continued withholding because of a kitchen table and food stamps the last time. Now, even that's not good enough. Seems like they are trying to run out the clock to strip their rights.
It's sexist, and it's not right 🙄
@Bobbie C I also can't believe that the judge basically asked him to dump the mother of his children due to her intelligence in order to get his kids back that day. The judge is horrible. This woman didn't physically abuse him or her children, she's just slower than others that doesn't make her a bad mom.
@smartypants, While I would usually agree with you where gender bias is concerned, in this case there is more going on than mom perhaps not bonding, and father changing diapers and cooking meals. By her affect and her actions, she appears to have cognitive issues, and that is of great concern.
That is why the father is answering questions directed toward her, I don't think it's a case of not loving her children, I think she simply is not mentally capable of being left alone with her children.
@dellahicks7231 which the worker states he's capable of intervening and did so. He and her mom/his mom are willing to make sure she's completely supervised with the kids. They don't want him or her to have custody. The judge basically said hey either dump and kick out the mother of your children because she's slow or we keep your kids. But hey, here are some services we can offer that will be impossible to use without your children in order to get your kids back.
@smartypants8533 But there is no way of guaranteeing that either can be there 24/7. We were not told how old grandma is, how mobile she is, is she still working herself? For some reason it was taken at face value she can pop over whenever.
I am not advocating he leave his wife, it is unfortunate that he didn't consider a situation like this arising, but she is going to need a lot of outside supervision. It is always going to be the instinct of the partner to protect the other, so the father isn't going to bring cares to the attention of CPS if his wife is falling short, and that worries me for the children's safety.