Messy Placement Hearing - is mom in a DV relationship?
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You know you’ve watched a lot of these when you recognise names and faces of judges, lawyers, cps and other legal caseworkers
I know the Texas CPS system and "players" better than my own state. 😆
These are better than tv lol.
I know.. I was literally just thinking, "Hmm.. Bonnie looks so cute with her hair down"😂 I started watching these to help me understand the court system better, and understand why cases take so long etc.. have you seen the Bully Mom case? That one is heartbreaking..Mom needs a dose of reality.
@@lulu5803 Judge Webster and Judge Rangel❤
I 1000% believe she is in a DV relationship. The way he is controlling the phone, the way they have to appear on the same device, indicating she doesn't or is NOT ALLOWED to have a phone of her own, him indicating to the court "WE are more comfortable being together on the same device", him speaking for her and telling her what to say- These are ALL heavy indicators of an abusive relationship, if not just by emotional and mental control, but physical abuse as well.
I caught all that as well. He looks nice all dressed up. She has no makeup on hair is not fixed looking like a bum is a sign also. He doesn’t want her to look good. Someone may look at her. I think he is jealous and insecure
I totally agree!
Yep he did all of the talking and was telling her what to say. The only person that can get her out though is her.
But these idiots won’t see any of this !! They could care less really, which is sad af!!!
Interesting that when the Judge swore them in, he said raise your right hand and she raised her left.
I’ve never known someone who shared a phone or a Facebook account who wasn’t in a very controlling relationship.
I’ve worked with DV victims before. This here has to be one of the worst ways to deal with that issue. Really shockingly poor.
They are setting her up for a DANGEROUS level of failure. Not only are they basically punishing the mom for "allowing" herself to be victimized without addressing the potential abuser (Dad.) But they are also behaving as if there isn't research that shows that when a victim starts pushing back, the relationship becomes more dangerous. So having her take classes may aggravate the Dad and "threaten" him, potentially causing him to lash out MORE.
Well said!! I was thinking the exact same, holy smokes horrible way to go about this all wow
CPS and courts, often punish victims of domestic violence and gives the abuser a pass on their behaviors.
Domestic violence advocates should be present during these proceedings.
This judge's voice sounds like he's the host of the world's most civilized, educational game show.
I wonder how he gets his frustration out because he always sounds so calm.
Mom should be ordered to go into a room without hubby or bf while court watches her close door leaving him outside the door.
He's fast becoming one of my favorite Judges. ♡
Oh god they've just put this woman at severe risk mentioning all this and how she hides things and now he's gonna try change that or could harm her further. They should have worked around this a whole other way. They're trained in safeguarding and just breached every safeguarding protocol there is to do with Domestic abuse.
Safeguard for the children. Not necessarily the parents in DV situations. I don't think the caseworker intentionally mentioned it to put the lady in harms way.
@@Tam-Ruh4856 no it's not. It's for anyone who needs safeguarding. I'm a safeguarding officer I know what my job entails Hun. Honestly they put her at so much risk here.
@AmmoAngels calm down
@@Tam-Ruh4856 huh wait what? Where have I been mad? 🤷🏻♀️ I just said what safeguarding entails and was nice about it,called u Hun and everything. I sure was not mad. U may not like people trying to educate u maybe. I'm not sure,but u took that from a nice comment and said I've been mad or rude or whatever Ur insinuating in Ur message cos I'm not vexxed so don't need to calm down. I'm fine 😂 u seem like u might wanna calm down or get therapy if u feel that's an angry comment 🤦🏻♀️😂
@AmmoAngels "hun" can come off as condescending. Perceiving someone's online comment(you can't always interpret tone/context correctly)be condescending or rude doesn't require professional treatment such as therapy, but nice try on the insult.
Don’t mess with the screen, judges need to force people who have issues with “zoom” and just have the parties actually come to court as they should be
A very sensible statement.. I wondered how the court could be manipulated so easily especially when pertaining to a possible DV case.
Peace
There are many reasons for that. Zoom is regular occurrence now and even the judges lawyers and others have had issues with devices not to mention the fact that both did eventually appear in the hearing. Things do happen. There may be a DV situation but that has to be proven.
I agree wholeheartedly that she seems to be an abused woman. It's sad to watch. She clearly looked at him before answering and the short answers are consistent with abuse, the fear of saying the wrong thing. I don't know why CPS got involved but I hope they're able to get her alone sometimes to get the help she needs. Thank you for this and I look forward to the follow ups.
Heartbreaking!! This lady seems beat down, please pray for her and the little boy 🙏🙏
He always places himself in front and in a controlled manner over the mom. Body language is huge when looking for it
On the other side of things, I do all of that as well, but not bc my husband has ever even raised his voice at me, but bc I’m autistic and just look to someone (anyone I trust) to help me bc I just freeze up under pressure. Short answers and everything.
The person who'll be visiting their home, will pick up behaviors like that. They are trained to see the whole plethora of indicators that the couple won't be able to hide.
Stupid question… but if the CPS professionals involved are worried that he is violent towards her, WHY are they bringing it up right in front of him?? If he is violent that could go very badly for her!
ETA I think this looks VERY DV’ish… I do think it’s a reasonable concern. I’m just flabbergasted that they said it with both of them together.
I was a trauma nurse for many years… I’ve seen women shot, stabbed, beaten within an inch of their life… even one set on fire 😭 by their partners.. They absolutely should have said nothing until someone could speak to her alone
i'm not sure they ever would
What the heck is going on with CPS here? Seems like the caseworker dropped the ball big time. You don’t just dump something that important on a coworker and not verify it was completed. That’s how things slip through the cracks and something bad happens as a result.
What do you mean? This wasn't the investigator. She just noticed it at the last meeting and obviously the CPS team chose to add the BIP to her plan. Probably didn't order him to do one because then they'd probably have gone together.
It is called too few case workers and far far too many cases. Things get dropped and things slip thru the cracks and the children pay the price
We need a department dictionary of acronyms and initialisms. And we appreciate your work on bringing us interesting cases. Your editing is appreciated.
Do you have any specific ones? I somehow know a lot of these.
@@tonitonitonis Ontropolis is pretty good about catching about half of them and explaining it over the video. I really don't have specific examples at hand. And I can sometimes deduce what is entailed even if I can't figure out the initialism. But thanks for the offer!
BIP was the e first one I heard. It seemed to pertain to domestic violence buy I still don’t know what the acronym could mean
@@ShannonMichelle7937 BIPP = Batterers Intervention and Protection Program for domestic violence
@@ShannonMichelle7937 BIP stands for Behavior Intervention Plan
These attorneys did an amazing job preparing their clients for their testimonies
I miss watching some of the Judges that have stopped livestreaming so I appreciate being able to find these across the tube..
The "We have a few phones but choose to use one because we have the kind of relationship where we trust each other and don't mind if the other goes through our phone or listens to our conversations" statement is extremely suspect to me, especially after her lawyer stated that for her to get ahold of her she has to get ahold of a friend, they inform the mom and she then calls from work. Why does she have to go through all that? The dad said his one phone has a broken screen and that he had a work phone with him so why can't she have the broken screen phone with her to make communication with the lawyer easier? I'll tell you why, because he's a controlling abuser at the worst and at the least controlling. I could be very wrong though
I agree 🎯
You are NOT wrong! And my response is coming from experience
I think you got it exactly right! (Unfortunately 😕) Time has moved on from your comment to mine, I hope she has too! Safe & well 🧡
He figured out a way to keep her with him all the time. Poor girl.
Why isn't t anyone notice she is petrified and keeps looking left and right? she clearly is a victim DV.
OMG w/the worker's nails! 🤣 No wonder she sent it to the wrong lawyer initially, how the heck do you type with those things? Lol. I've never understood the choice to have nails that long, it's gotta make several everyday tasks difficult, especially the more....delicate ones lol
Also I agree, I get a massive sociopath vibe from dad, ever since he said "we don't mind being on the phone together, we got a bond".....?......getting a definite controlling DV vibe, if not physical (yet), it's definitely emotional.
He knows how to play the system. Look at his huge cross. He is saying who me, I wouldn't abuse any one. I'm a good god fearing man. Pfft. My ex did the same thing. Even tried it after being convicted of grand theft auto of my mom's vehicle after she died.
He was playing with his prop too.
Maybe it is just me, but right in the middle of a CPS case, isn't the right time to quit your steady job to start some shady reclamation/renovation business
Was that the mum who quit? I must have missed that part.
So he can keep an eye on her all day!
Power and control, a sure sign of DV.
This judge should be on radio or di voice overs
Soon as someone says "axing" instead of "asking" I am thinking they are illiterate
As a person with a bs in engineering. Your assumption is wrong…😅😅
This shall be interesting to follow, I am glad that the caseworker aired on the side of caution and had an assessment, however if she is trying to get her child back I don't see her being truthful, they are working together, they share the same phone, he seems controlling, BUT hopefully through the classes there is some growth and she will learn to love herself enough to love her child enough to not stay in an abusive situation, the child is the big loser either way but she can give him a chance, I didn't and stayed for 22 years and it took 12 broken bones for me to walk away fingers flying 🖕🖕 and become the Victor not the victim, and my children are in their 30's and still dealing with the trauma, don't ALLOW anyone to abuse you.... love yourself and leave
Erred not aired
I also want your instincts to be wrong but I don’t think so.
My significant other in a DV situation took my phone anytime I went to work. We shared it at home(If any of my family called rarely, I had to stay right by him just like this) we know he’s right there listening because of his gross sounds. He also drove me to work and took my vehicle with no license every day. Just my situation but feels very similar. 😢
I'm sorry you went through that and hope you're living your best life 💓
This sounds IDENTICAL to my last relationship.
So sorry you went through this!
Didn’t he say he’s at work? Why is she with him? Dude is controlling as eff
I'm just starting the second hearing but I was surprised to see after all this time watching him - the judge doesn't look like he's incandescent. It's nice to actually see him clearly. 😊
This so called social worker needs some more training unreal she would put that woman's life in jepordy with her announcement of suspicion of abuse infront of the potential aggressor women are killed everyday all over the world by the spouse didn't bother to file the correct paperwork until the morning of court unreal unprofessional conduct no suprise it's CPS
I agree! Just the abuse survivor in me went into meltdown and the safeguarding officer in me was having heart palpitations and I could feel my heartbeat at the back of my throat and could hear it. They ddnt even send stuff or call until the next day after stating that. She could have been unalive by then. I was in 2 minds to email their dfps service and give them a piece of my mind but they seem overworked and irresponsible as it is so don't wanna take up their time. They should just show this in training of what not to do. I know they have to tell their judge but that could have been passed by report to him privately and they've had to speak to her at her job so could have got her alone to say what they had to say. This is so scary to me. I'm In the UK so maybe we just do things differently here but this is shocking to me.
@@Ammo2Ammo I think it’s a good idea to email them. It could save someone’s life.
Ugh! This one's painful!!😢💔
Interesting her new job is with him, the phone is with him, and she looks like she’s scared out of her mind!
Oh, they are bonded so they use the same phone 🤮 that makes my skin crawl
The fact that he is sitting in a car and she is always standing behind him and having to peek in.. completely a DV situation. I wish I knew why child was pulled.
It's so he can try to control what she hears
This is absolutely a DV situation. They’re actually right about an assumption for once. And like attorney said, if that’s what they think then why are they making her do more services and what not?! Ass backwards !!
I get it that an abusive partner is scary... However why they dont leave is infuriating. My uncle attacked me with a bat the next day i was out of the house in a shelter with my son. Only when my mother said shed evict him after a month thats when i came back home. Anyway long story short you have a man who treats you like human garbage you leave. You change your number you disappear and do all you can to get out of it. Especially when you have babies.
Lots of facial expressions from Hollier 😅
She's so awesome!!
Bonnie is definitely one of my favorite to watch in cases!
So, wait...I don't understand. They suspect she's in a DV situation but consider it appropriate to place her child with her potential abusers family? And she can only access him thru that same family? Is that typical?
Just because he is (potentially) committing abusive behavior doesn't mean that his family members are also abusive or are not good people. My ex was an abusive pos but his mother was an absolute angel. I still speak with her to this day and she treats my daughter as if she is her biological granddaughter.
Anyone can be a bad person. Look at how many children are harmed while in the care of foster parents. People should be judged off their OWN actions and morals, not stigmatized due to family members who dont share the same values.
My dad was the abuser and his mom, my grandma would be the most protective of us and did not favor him at all. She is where we would want to be, So much better than my moms family. She urged my mom for 40 years to leave his ass. She took us in when domestics happened and it’s where we felt safest. My dads whole family has turned against him and even though they are divorced now (hurray!) they only see and support my mom. Her new boyfriend could not understand how or why she still saw her exes family. But truly they are our family not his. He lost everyone due to his abuse
I literally had to rewind to make sure that in fact, was a BELCH I heard. My lord 🤦♀️🤦♀️
This guy won’t even let the mother have her own job. Anytime anyone talks to her, he is there. He seems to be menacing . It looks like her nose was busted. Something stinks. Is she able to talk to someone alone? It doesn’t seem she has her own phone.
The mother looks like she's been through a lot. I also can tell he's very controlling and abusive. He was intimidating her on video.
It's too bad that in some of these cases that we see, they don't always say what incident or home conditions caused CPS to get involved; that's key info that we don't always get as viewers. I've been watching a few cases where you're thinking one way in a hearing or two, then someone finally mentions the details of the original allegations and it shifts your view of why CPS or the judge are doing what they're doing. Great stuff, OnTropolis!
Yes that is an issue with watching cases where minor children are involved. A lot if information is left out to protect the children and rightfully so
You are right about the father, I don't trust him either!
They have to talk in code - I hope he doesn’t take it out on her that the CPS have twigged the DV.
WTF?! Communicate if the location is too far away and that’s supposed to matter? F that - parents make themselves available and do whatever needs to be done to get to their kids!
Ms. Leal-Hudson was right on the money with her concerns for her client. She said that this is not the forum for airing out their concerns on the abuse because it could greatly put her in danger. That should have been discussed without him. I hope she is ok and that she is getting the help she needs to get away from him.
This one’s gonna take a lot of prayer and blind faith!
Why is the caseworker wearing a mask on zoom in a room all by herself 😑🤡
The AUNT/CAREGIVER sounds like she really is NOT interested in a 2hr visit
I'm stuck in your rabbit hole. 🐇 thanks. Just recently found you. 😎
….. you can have a “bond” but unless you are back in the 1800s couples don’t typically share phones🙅🏽♀️🙅🏽♀️🙅🏽♀️
Thank you for the labels. (Mom’s lawyer etc)
"We.. we.. we have a bond.. we're comfortable using the same phone"
21:06 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Yeah sure... it's not bc you are a paranoid abusive partner, is it?? 🙄😒
I heard him too! Yuck! I don’t know if she’s just beaten down or what but there’s something going on….I think he may be controlling but may be wrong…
Something in the buttermilk ain't clean. If he could have gotten on his work phone because his is busted....why didn't he do that originally
Love this new rabbit hole I have run in to!! Great work!!
Bonnie seems more worried about how she looks
His behavior, laughing, posturing, not getting an image unless pushed, pulling at his eyebrows (a comfort twitch) and her lack of a hair style and makeup and if I am honest, a slightly bruised left eye socket...all of these things tell me he is the leader, she is the follower and it will take a HUGE amount of deep, deep work to fix them both. For the sake of the child....lets hope someone stays with these two. Granted, they are not as bad as some but this is early days.
The discrepency in their appearance says it all really. I can only hope that she will get away -- she and her little boy deserve so much more than the violence I suspect they're receiving.
None of HIS family members need to be taking care of the child.That seems like another way for him to control things
Screen being broken would not affect the camera.
Ohhh hell no, in the previous, the father held up his hand to shut the mom down. He's ABSOLUTELY controlling
The Mom has tough road ahead of her. I feel bad her bc I think she is being abused. It’s going to be harder for her to regain custody being in a relationship with him
I think this partner is extremely controlling, not letting her have a phone etc., but did you notice now she doesn't have an independent job, they're working together. He's getting spooked by all the services they've been ordered to do including the BIP assessment and he's tightening his control. I think this woman is in danger 😢😢
If CPS placed that kid THAT far away from the parents they ought to be required to provide at least half of the transportation. That is absolutely uncalled for to make them drive 4 hour round trip for 1 hour visits.
I have never agreed with the minimal visitation given to parents whose kids were taken especially prior to any thing being proven.
Seems like this caseworker may be new or not trained very well?
If it were me id ask them to call the police so i could leave that I'm being held captive. Thats just me.
Judge Lockwood's goa-tee is so homey!
Why would they need to use the same phone? She can't have a phone because she's be controlled and abused.
…what schooling and education do these case workers who work with the family’s have to have….?
Typically a masters in social work
Yes mam and no mam is typical of southern folks. I’m in Texas, this is the way we have been brought up.
She's the first parent I've seen in a case like this to just answer with yes and no. They've all tended to ramble
Can we talk about, Spiller wearing a mask in a room by herself? Is she afraid of her own germs? 🙄
I thought the same thing. Seems unprofessional to me
She’s just an idiot
She’s in a public office perhaps they have to wear mask 🙄🙄
So dad and mom are on the same device but dad is at work? Maybe I learn something like they work together idk
They work together. They do "renovations" .. side jobs essentially.
I have a clip from judge Lockwood with the Mom taking orders at her job during her testimony. It's the same Mom who took the camera into the bathroom last year. Did you get it? From yesterday? I have it.
Miss Bonnoe Hollier seems to too concerned about working the camera.
I actually love when she is the GAL for the children. She truly advocates for her clients, which is why I don’t like when she represents the dirtbags, but she really fights for her clients and it’s great when she is representing the children.
Geez what conditions were they found in to have this much to do to get their kid back?
Not the lawyer trying and failing at being sexy…
😂😂😂
Use a computer if your phone is cracked! Take with you to work since court is not something that just happens as a suprise.
I thought Ms Leal Hudson was irritating until 5 minutes in and she put that careless worker in her place in a tactful effective manner. That's a goat rodeo and waste of everyone's time not updating either attorne, and apparently but even doing the plan till Hollier asked for it before the hearing
I hate domestic violence 😢
In inkster? No there is no way he’s doing okay in inkster! If he is now he won’t be for long I promise. Poor kid 😢
They are on individual zoom and the CPS worker is the only one wearing a mask, looks silly.
She is probably in the office. Some health care places/government buildings still require the masks.
She's in an office full of people. Maybe she was exposed or is unwell.
I wonder why they had their child removed in the first place, I'm not at the end of the video so maybe it'll be mentioned....
Does this woman not have the ability to answer a question with something other than yes ma’am or no ma’am? Not sure how much influence that guy has over her and what kind of influence. The guy with her in background was disgusting or sounded disgusting. Then she says “alrighty” which I’m not sure what question was but sounded odd to me.
The amount of concealer was staggering…
Y were the kids taken to begin with??
Love, love, love Ms Hollier!
Didnt he just say he was at work? Why is she with him, i mean unless they work together but that would not be my first thought.
Wow, I know I’m extremely late but just to blatantly spew this out without anyone knowing a bloody thing was dangerous. Holy shit, how about a breakout room and update your suspicions. Putting her in more danger, in my opinion these people should be ashamed of themselves 🤬
Reginald looks like he’s a turn up kang…. How about the mother chooses her child and drop the dad? He quit work to pick up junk on the side of the road? Make it make sense. So many things wrong with this case. Also why does he look so much cleaner than her?
I noticed the same thing about their appearance but I wasn't able to put it into words. I couldn't tell if it was she just appeared older or just more "tired"....or less clean than him as you stated. I kinda think he puts her through the wringer with at the minimum an insane amount of control. He could be emotionally abusive and if you're exhausted and feeling low about yourself then I think you'd look like her.
@@melodywilliams9124 he probably won't allow her to do anything to herself to make her look nicer or make her feel better about herself cause he would lose her
I hate the words reunification
Why would dad "STFU" when he was asking legitimate questions or giving legitimate information that is important for this case?
I mean we complain when they do not show up at all or are not proactive in getting their family treatment plan completed but then to also complain when they are asking legitimate questions or being actively involved is a bit hypocritical
44:44 so what does having a drivers license have to do with raising a child? There are a lot of people who don’t even have cars!
It's often one of many factors that they look at. If all other factors are in their favor it wouldn't hold a lot of weight
Does anyone know the backstory? Why the baby was removed?
A bip class is a battery intervention program
I think it's definitely warranted
I agree it.
Yea lol so he has multiple phones, she has none. He says "we" feel more comfortable being on this together, that's the best way to keep her in check. He's at work and she's there?! Ok so he has her sitting in a car outside all day so he can keep an eye on her, probably says she's the one who wants to be there cause she's the jelous one. F$cking textbook!
I’m late to the game ! I’m binge watching all these court cases and wondering if someone could pin the first part of this case for me….I can’t find it. I have looked but maybe it has a different heading?
HELP PLEASE 🙏 LOL
Dude said he had access to another phone. Let her use it! Wanting to hide her or something?
Added at edit and after the second appearance... body language on his part shows him chewing his lips. This is a behavior when you want to say something but you are holding it back. The way he grabbed the phone startled me, I was thinking tht this guys cross is a costume. Again he is self soothing with the eyebrows. And I have to add, I hate it when people wipe eye boogers and look at their fingers...some things just don't need to be on video.
He was coaching her many times when she was talking with her lawyer. She kept looking at him and I heard a muffled finger going over the phones mouthpiece. Trust me, I know this sound. I have helped several women get out of controlling relationships before they became violent...well one was already violent when I started helping her. You see the eyes dart in the other persons direction, you hear a soft whooshing sound and the ambient sounds get muffled.
Also, only a well established and loving relationship can survive working together. Basically the jobs would be him telling her what to do and when he gets frustrated or tired, she will pay the price.
Dad gives me weird vibes.
Me too!
Anyone know why the kids were removed?
how is she at his job?
Hello do you have any update on "cult"dad from Michigan? Have a great day cheers 🇸🇪
Sorry forgot thank you for your time to upload and work
Nothing yet! I've been checking that court every day and it hasn't gone live at all
I've also been sort of.. watching certain social medias and there's activity but no mention of a ruling
I thought they judge said he would rule in writing.
I am still learning about how you do your channel. When there is an update do you add the links to update/follow up videos in the description of the 1st part/parts or do you create a playlist for each case that has multiple parts/updates?
Or is there some other process for finding all the videos on any one case?
If it's a multi part I label them Part 1-2-3 etc but for hearings that come much later I put that it's an update and try to link in the description to the original video
If you search the titles, I keep them the same with an extra number or update in the title
You do a great job!