Funny how Shad is always angry that movies depict fights like people keep attacking the weapon and not the wielder and then he does the exact same thing
The thing about that is that Shad is unaware - you need to make openings, for example by attacking the opponents weapon, which he (like everyone else) does. To demonstrate: In kendo, the most common kamae* is both people pointing at each other´s throats with their shinai**, and it fucking hurts when you misjudge the center line and run straight into a shinai. That is also why if you watch the old Star Wars fights, which were heavily inspired by Kendo, they often attack each others lightsabers. Basically, a weapon is dangerous, and you need the opponents weapon far away from you to land an attack, as you don´t want their counter to hurt you - theoretically, I have never done this: even assuming you cut someone´s head off, their weapon can still hurt you from sheer momentum. To bring this back to Shad - he is overthinking and underaware of what people do in a fight. *Not sure of spelling, I haven´t done kendo in 15 years ***Bamboo sticks, basically
I don't have any specialty film knowledge, but one criticism I can give of Shad's scene there is that there doesn't seem to be any progression through the fight. Is one combatant gaining or losing confidence? Do they change up techniques? Does someone get injured, or exhausted? Other than Shad clearly getting winded (which I'm not sure is supposed to be happening in-character), it seems like these duelists begin their final set in the same situation as they started the first one. A fight is supposed to tell a story over time, not just spin around until someone lands a hit and they move on.
This one is for people who know about, and like realistic sword fighting. A niche audience, but one that's starved of content. You can see many close calls at trying to backstroke the opponents hands off of a clash and slice them. Their more refined parries and parry counters devolve into just prodding for openings and going for back strokes on the hands and then finally, grappling. It's very realistic, it's not supposed to be like the movies, because movie sword fights look really dumb if you know what you're doing with a sword. I understand your perspective with the limited knowledge you have, but this one's for people that know about this stuff. Not movie buffs.
@@master-dukecuthbert5061 That's a lot of words for saying "I'm gonna glaze this guy who also has no clue how to swordfight" At least try to hide your bias better next time
even if you went for 'realism' and made a point of how real duels don't follow those kind of rules it still needs to have a narrative. like you could tell a good story with a very realistic encounter but literally who are these characters meant to be? plus the fight is shot so bad
"Realistic fights" Trying to cut armor, not wearing helmets, wincing in pain after getting slashed with zero impact to your gamberson with zero damage... "Realistic fights"
@@filipferencak2717 all of those are you trying hard to nitpick the short but it is nonsense. Yes strikes would land on or even be aimed at armor. Yes, not all fighters would wear helmets always. Yes getting hit to a gamberson could hurt a lot, calling it zero impact is false, obviously there are constraints in filmmaking (its not real) with how hard you can hit an actor.
@@FrenkieWest32 No, all of those are legitimate logical complaints. No, strikes would not be aimed at the thickest parts of armor. It doesn't matter if "they would be wearing helmets" because they are not wearing them. They could have worn them, but they chose not to. And as for the impact, THERE WAS NO IMPACT. It wasn't a blow. It was a zero impact slash to Shad's side. It would definitely do absolutely nothing to him. He would feel no pain regardless of whether this is acted out or an actual battle to the death.
@@filipferencak2717 Why do you strawman me by changing your words now? The topic was not about aiming at the thickest parts of an armor. If you have to be dishonest like this, doesn´t that just prove you are wrong? Hence why I said ´´not all fighters´´. Is your english working? Slashes by definition have impact... Its physics. Besides that, anyone who makes such absolute statements like that on something they could not possibly know is wrong.
When I was taking a filmmaking class in college, we had to make a short film using old school cameras with actual film so we'd learn the fundamentals of how it all actually works, and BOY did I learn a great lesson about how valuable actual knowledge can be. At one point I had shot some film in low light, and then later I was shooting some footage outdoors. As time went on it started getting a little overcast, but my light meter was barely getting a reading so I was like WTF is going on until I realized that I had not reset my light meter from the day before and so it was taking measurements for low light, so my entire day of work was overexposed by SIX STOPS. Even my professor was like "you in danger girl" and I just resigned myself to the reality that it was probably a wash, but I drove to the film developer, and because I knew how much it had been overexposed, he actually managed to develop it and make it usable even though it had been basically blown out like I was filming inside of a nuclear bomb. The accessibility of photography through current electronics is great, but that colossal fuckup and the fact that someone who knew what they were doing could actually fix it unironically taught me more about the importance of understanding how photography works than anything else in the class possibly could have.
He explained in his own video overviewing Swordfight, where Shad said he didn't bring his own helmet, he forgot his good helmet at home, but since it was such a short time frame to film that day he just wore a helmet that was meant to be used for a prop later on.
@@kingpoxy2289 Yeah, which is still funny because Shad of all people forgot his fucking helmet. They should have just had him not walk in with a helmet then, they're already fighting with no helmets; something he himself complains about in movies, so just have nether of them have helmets.
I really feel like Shad tried too hard to copy his style of "realistic coreography" in this... ... but Sellsword more gimmicky and "obvious low budget fuckery around" vibes is a HUGE part of why it works. Shad, in trying too hard to be cool lost this layer of good faith. Noone, even Sellsword himself, think he is doing serious movie making or that he is an Hollywood level actor. It's just someone good at sword fighting doing light hearted play around and saying "if I can do it, just imagine what good actors could".
@albertonishiyama1980 Oh yeah. Their dating app fight was actually really good. Perfect balance of corny and competence. And it made me almost believe that David could win over Clark. There is no way Shad stands a chance against the guy with the beard. You can tell Shad telegraphs his moves waaaay ahead while the other guy was way smoother.
@@MissCaraMint bro they weren’t smoother tyranth and shad literally co-choreographed the fight 😂 lmao this entire comment section including the creator have no idea how sword fighting works yet are trying so hard to criticise it.
I like when Tyler talks about Shad because Tyler gets to explain concepts that Shad is too uncurious to learn and then I get to learn. Very much liked the photography/filmography talk.
Thats because shad is the type of person who thinks that he doesn't need to learn and he already knows all that he needs to know, which is how you fall into making stagnant and/or mediocre products.
Reiterating a note I made during the stream here. You don't want to shoot (generally) with a shutter speed as high as 1/200 for video. It'll turn out pretty choppy. Tyler is absolutely right about 1/200 for still photography. Shad should be using a Neutral Density Filter for daylight exteriors. It's basically sunglasses for your camera.
@@tylerreed610 A hood won't really lower your exposure. It can block out flares, but that won't make a huge difference in how many stops you're over exposed. Shad's DOF is so deep because he's probably shooting at a low aperture to expose properly because he doesn't have an ND filter. Shooting with a wider focal length is also going to give you a shallower depth of field. There's really nothing artistically "wrong" with the way shad's shooting, but it's clearly motivated by laziness and a lack of knowledge. It comes off like a guy with a DSLR decided to make his first movie, which is exactly what this is.
i dont know anything about sword fighting but i know some in martial arts and boxing , and man , his foot work heavy and stationary-very easy to kick him or break his footing , though idk if its intentional for the sake of clarity in this short.
This is also a demonstration of why watching a wide palette of films is important because if you only watch certain amount of movies, the movies you make will basically be the same as them and be absolutely boring. Shad fell into the "Boss Baby" trap
he did. although, he was pumping praises onto his own film (that's how unbiased and not disingenuous Shad is), then brought his buddy Metatron to do the same. professionally, of course! since Meta is a Professor... THEN Shad reacts in praising to Meta's praising his self praised film. And I could only hope Meta will react to it, praising the praising reaction in recursion style. poor Ty. can only feel for the guy - trapped with Shad. probably 'was young, needed the money' thing. :( shad, very shad 😧
for those who don't know this. the helmet shad is wearing is an anachronistic and universally accepted (by the historical arms and armour community) as an overused and badly designed helmet. that helmet is super cringe.
nah in medieval times this style helmet was meant to prominently feature and thus intimidate one's opponent with the schnoz, shad just isn't wearing the nose-cage, presumably knocked off in a previous engagement
Not true. The nose is meant to stick out. Medieval manuscripts that I happened to find detail a type of weapon that is just a really long stabby pointy thing that you attach to your nose. People would wear those helmets and their nose swords and stab at each other like psychotic woodpeckers.
nothing is universally accepted and people knowledgeable on arms and armor are not a ´´community´´ with one opinion. I find people trying to present their opinion as the ´´universal opinion of experts´´ cringe.
What’s that restaurant in Chicago and shit that’s got the medieval jousting and duels while they serve you like huge chicken legs and flagons of beer? They do better sword fights than this
Haven't seen the Princess Bride in years. Went back, rewatched that fight scene now that I'm older and can appreciate all the details and just... holy crap, I forgot how amazing it is.
He's not racist, he is homophobic/transphobic because of his religious beliefs, he's not racist, Tyler has portrayed him as racist, he has called him fat, a moron, and a terrible writer, now I don't know about the terrible writer but I do know that he is not a moron, he has showed himself sparring against other hema professionals in a video on patreon (I'm not sure if he posted it on youtube, I'm pretty sure he did), and calling someone fat is an insult that should've been shelved back in senior high school, as Metatron said attack the argument not the person.
As a HEMA practitioner, my greatest fear was that I would have to begrudgingly give Shad props for putting together a well-choreographed, grounded swordfight, but no this is incompetent. They're both making so many mistakes that I recognize from people who have only been practicing for a matter of months, and someone who speaks with a level of faux-authority on fencing as much as Shad does should be embarrassed to be this sloppy. I guess that's what happens when you spend more time having bad opinions on the internet than with a sword in your hands getting your reps in.
@@FrenkieWest32 And yet he still stands and moves and holds guards like an absolute beginner because he refuses to do anything other than burn bridges with anyone who actually knows what they're doing. His pride does not allow him to learn.
One of the most effective duels I’ve ever seen is the fencing duel from Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch From Mercury. It’s only about 10 seconds long, the actual fight at least, but it’s one of the most important duels in the show. The quality of the scene is also enhanced by the fact that the animation quality is really good and was “choreographed” extremely well. The people who illustrated that scene are very skilled to say the least.
Star Wars: Rebels had GREAT duel between Maul and Obi-Wan. Action takes about five seconds, but tension is wound tight. Sergio Leone was master of explosive action moment.
@@mk_gamíng0609 Maul had not remained static himself. He had become more patient and more pragmatic about his dealings. He was absolutely able to end their grudge in peaceful manner (as Obi-Wan and he were beaten relics) and that final visit was meant to confirm that Obi-Wan was as finished husk as he was and if it was so there would be no need to keep fighting. Maul knew Obi-Wan well enough to deduce that he was not merely hiding on Tatooine. That was too much as such rogue element would break Obi-Wan's own long-term revenge scheme. They had become way more alike than neither wanted to admit or accept.
Screen Tested is the other dude's channel, is this going to be a series of duels between Shadiversity and other channels? Could we finally see the long awaited battle between Shadiversity and Westside Tyler as Ned Kelly with a rebar club?
doubt it, I get the feeling that there were alot of injuries and near misses that were edited out...doubt anyone wants a scar on their face from Shad lol
I think this was wasn´t friendly spar but choreographed fight that´s why so many attacks are on the sword and Shad do stuff that my forever beginer get chastised for.
And sticking the sword into the dirt is horrible form. Nobody, who care about their blades would do that. It is such a no-no, that I question if he actually even cares about swords...
Wait, did it stick in the ground? I thought he tried for that, but it failed, tbf I was watching through tears at that point, so I might have missed it. Not because I was laughing, oh no, I missed the divine presence of the negaTyler
For someone who gets all up other film's asses about accuracy, idk why decided to put in the goofy beyblade tricks and single handed swats lol. Expending that much energy for sword twirls and trying to smack people around by one arming a 10 pound blade with just your wrist is just asking your opponent to kill you Edit for clarity: yes I know the blade is closer to 3-4 pounds rather than 10. I was being hyperbolic but the point still stands
@@SwordTomato Yeah, they're about 3-ish feet long and historically would be iron so they're more in the ballpark of 3-5 pounds but yeah, point still stands. flicking anything with that center of gravity no matter how heavy it is is going to be sluggish and tiring in a fight. and 4 pounds is till a lot to just flop around without the rest of your arm lol
@SwordTomato well if we're gonna get technical his brigandine would be most common in the 1500s where a good amount of swords weren't pure steel, they were mostly iron-steel composites instead of pure steel due to the cost of pure steel weaponry still being pretty high and the margin of weight is close enough for me not to really count it, still in the 3-5 pound range for a blade that length. Honestly the historical inaccuracies are more than just his technique, idk how many castles like that were built in the Australian outback or the fact that a king would not be crowned at the historical equivalent of a lawn chair next to a snake pit but whatevah. Now can we just laugh at the goofiness of Shad's spinny tricks? Lol
Why aren't their hands protected? Wouldn't you, as a knight, want to protect your fingers from getting lopped off? (Not only that you would want to protect your actor's hands since if you miss you could get a nasty hand injury even with a dull blade)
As someone who got a dagger crossguard through the eyeslit of a salet during a reenactment practice, the fact they're not even wearing eye protection is making me wince.
If I were to guess. Since Shad doesn't practice with gear on usually he wouldn't be able to do his silly sword flips with actual gauntlets on. The chud can barely swing the sword and don't get me started on that man's stance.
Shad posted on twitter that revealed they filmed this in about 2 hours (which he didn’t need say it’s that obvious) and that he thinks this is better than a lot of fights in major Hollywood tv and film productions.
It was worse than the recent movie about Jan Žižka that made historian despair and swordsman enraged (and both go on long of exploration about everything bad in it).
Its funny how he alwys thinks he knows better then everyone. Just watch his videos for last four years. He knows better then pro archers, pro knife/axe throwers.... guy is such a fraud and he is crindge.
So if you break the math down, he filmed 24x longer than the length of the video. Should it be 50x longer than the media produced? 100x? What would make sense for an indie production? Also, I don't know if he thinks it's better, but it's objectively more realistic. 🤣 You should watch armored MMA... Shits hilarious how people ACTUALLY realistically fight with swords and armor. But anyways, your comment is a lil retarded and doesn't make much sense in the context of the purpose that this piece of media serves. Realistic sword fighting audience is niche, but starved of content.
> Wearing armour but swinging sword around instead of halfawording and seeking gaps > Took their helmets off but not the rest of their armour > Dodging sword blows their armour would've protected them fine from > Guys have near identical outfits and builds > Ugly ass graphics > Overambitious nonsense fantasy setting Why does this feeling like the Nostalgic Critic but of HEMA?
- yes, and? What evidence on earth would there be that amored fighters were always permanently halfswording or whatever? Is this sword geeks being so proud knowing of halfswording that they need to tell everyone about it? - yes, and? Helmets impair vision and faces. The rest of the armor does not. - are you suggesting armored fighters would not or should not try to dodge attacks that their armor might defend them from? - and? - theyre amateure hobbyists, what do you expect? - what is overambitious or nonsense about it?
AI would do way better job. It would be gloriously pointless and extra-dramatic. This is more about sucking everything fun from good scene and leaving a husk.
from slo-mo sword grab, to sword toss, to being crowned was just laughable. Not to mention the music near the end, guess the dragon was a JJ style mystery box
I'm starting to think Shad is the type of nerd that thinks fighting is all about memorizing exercises and executing them as dance choreography like smashing buttons in a fighting game. As if "the MacKnighting Gambit nearly always works in this particular situation, because it was in a book and highly praised by it's own writer!" is his actual line of thinking.
Shadiversity looks like he took two weeks of German Longsword class and then decided he knew enough to choreograph a whole fight. They are using real guard positions with VERY poor technique and structure and no knowledge of how it all works together.
@deargamadaun tbf that's a lot of fencers. he looks like he doesn't study the manuals, doesn't practice technique, doesn't work out, doesn't spar, and (worst of all) doesn't know know bad he looks
@@deargamadaun he looks like he doesn't study the manuals, doesn't practice, doesn't spar, doesn't work out, and doesn't know what he looks like. you can practice what works without studying the manuals, that's totally fine. this guy just has narcissimm
the ironic thing is, as much as you people complain about being a self-proclaimed expert, youre here doing the same. I somehow doubt you are Achilles yourself.
Could be misremembering, but the 180 rule is there for continuity. For setting up shots, there's an imaginary line you can make between the two characters, & when making cuts or movement, you need to shoot along one side of it to avoid confusing the audience, or breaking past that 180° angle.
@@danielbroome5690 one really fun example of "breaking" the 180 rule is in Return of the King (I think, it might be late in Two Towers, but I'm pretty sure it's the beginning of RotK), the "conversation" between Smeagol and Gollum *literally* breaks the 180 rule as the camera flips between which side of the character's face is being filmed for each personality's lines, but by physically breaking the rule Peter Jackson was actually following the "spirit" of the rule by presenting the audience a view that *always* has Smeagol looking to one side of the shot and Gollum looking to the other side, which makes the scene "feel" like dialogue even though only one character is literally talking
I got to admit, I watched Shad for years. I was on his side when it came to sword-fights in movies. The fact that he praises himself for this shortfilm, calling it realistic and better looking than real movies produced right now, just makes me shake my head.
Yeah i also used to be a big fan of Shad. But that was years ago, when he stuck to his castle videos. He then decided that he was going to be an artiste, like his brother. But he just isn't good at art. Which on its own would be ok, but he views himself as the next Da Vinci. And then his personal views came to light, and I realized what a terrible person he really was.
Shad's walk make it very clear that he is not a physically active or physically fit person. He offers many reasons for his physical health, but he is never going to be the exemplar of physical activity or combat he thinks he is. Choreographing a fight and having athletic actors do it would be the thing if he is the expert he thinks he is... Also I will make an observation that Bruce Lee made about fighting on film. If there is not emotional context than it is just a bunch of movements that mean nothing, no matter how skilled the movements are. This fight has no context, thus no stakes thus it is just moving around for no purpose.
I will fight Shadiversity under any conditions, with any imposed rules, under any schedule that allows me to arrive at his location in a reasonable amount of time.
so you just dont like shorts about a fight? No need to try to make that a criticism of this production. The way you phrase it, why would anyone watch any actual martial arts or combat sports? Some people can enjoy that yes.
I just wanna point out, at 8:18 there is NOTHING stopping Shad's opponent from leaning forward and piercing him with his sword, Shad is so unbalanced after that dodge that he'd need to fall to the ground to avoid it, and from there ending the fight would be no problem at all But instead they both get back into position. That's the problem with this fight I feel like, they use moves and exchanges that are actual swordfighting techniques, but add pauses for both fighters to get back into position every few seconds, often times in a situation where it's obvious if one of them followed up the fight would've been over Also, the final exchange makes no sense, as ANYBODY in that situation would either a) move back instead of pushing into Shad with his body, b) let go of his weapon with one hand and punch Shad in the face, or c) let go of their weapon, and go to the ground with your opponent, reaching for dagger or wrestling for some other advantage. Basically anything other than trying to wrestle your weapon from under opponent's blade while their sword is about to hit your face.
Shitiversity does amateurish work and not in a good way. At best amateurish means knowledgeable and enthusiastic while lacking practice and this "movie" is more a case of arrogantly ignoring what predecessors have made and gotten to work.
"Realistic sword fighting" -> Immediately takes off helmet, the single worst choice you could ever possibly make in a fight to the death, so utterly stupid that taking off your helmet may as well amount to surrendering -> Not wearing Gauntlets while not using a sword that provides adequate hand protection, such as a sword with a basket or swept hilt -> fight lasts longer than thirty seconds without devolving into on the ground wrestling with daggers trying to find a gap in the armor -> both fighters engage in everything listed above
I appreciate they approach PPE in the exact opposite direction of necessity. Usually your hands require the absolute most constant protection because you touch stuff with them, and then you need your head protected because it's your goddam head, and your eyes along with that and then your neck, upper chest, so on and so forth. I'd fight in clamshell gloves and a helmet 10 times out of 10 before going with torso and leg armor instead lol
@@westsidetyler The most embarrassing part is that there's an extremely easy way to get realistic swordfighting for a film. Just... record yourself doing actual sparring. There are soooooooo many HEMA sparring videos on youtube, each and every one of them has been more entertaining than this discount Anakin vs Obi-Wan.. Those back and forth walking trades with constant high-guards was just pathetic.
wrong. Vision is incredibly limited with such a helmet. Hema sparring videos are absolutely not entertaining to most people. Let alone that they clearly do not look like real fights either.
In defense of Shad around 8 minutes in ... everyone misses a lot of opportunities in fights. That´s why amateurs think they could beat Mike Tyson or someone like that, when they watch a match on screen, the openings not taken are obvious.
For real, Star Wars Rebels did that exact thing with the final duel between maul and Kenobi. It's just a couple blade swings and minutes of tense build up. Genuinely the best lightsaber fight imo, and I wish more movies took inspiration from one of the best directors to ever live
Choreography so bad you don’t even notice Nega-Tyler getting eaten by a blurry AI dragon off screen, dockers and timbs and all. What gets me is the total lack of storytelling from a guy who claims to be a professional creative. What even was the story supposed to be here? Two guys meet in front of the spontaneous chair and fight over who gets to be king? Alright let’s go with that…then why are they acting like this is just a Sunday sparring session? They’re just over here in their matching uniforms lazily twirling their swords around with no sense of emotional weight or even difference of temperament between them. And then when they do clash, they just STOP to twirl some more! Neither of them are shown to care about whatever thin stakes have been set up. That Duelists scene really has it all. In the midst of all that buildup tension, you get to see the essence of their character. Feraud is impatient and holding back petty rage, so he keeps his eyes forward, stays silent, and eagerly swings his sword back and forth waiting for d’Hubert to finish his sneeze. d’Hubert meanwhile takes his time with it cuz all things considered, he doesn’t want to be there. THAT’S how you show character without a word or a clash between them. The whole point of Shad’s video was to do a scene with more authentic swordsmanship and fewer continuity errors than your typical Hollywood production right? Well setting aside the failure on at least one of those points, all that work on choreography is pointless when there’s no reason for it to even happen, let alone go on for 4 minutes. If ever there was a visual metaphor for the rest of Shad’s being, it’s this. Bravo Shad 👏
As someone who's actually practiced HEMA in a club for several years (shad doesn't believe in training with others on a regular basis it seems, and mostly just plays by himself), their footwork is hilariously abysmal. They are basically just quickly walking at each other, and staying in striking distance whilst not actively presenting a threat to the opponent. I didn't see a single proper lunge or other explosive footwork.
This is why you adjust roles to the actors: make them two knights that just recovered use of their legs but really want to kill each other and have them just do a bunch of prise de fer and clinch because they can't backstep
Ladies and gentlemen, this, right here, is why a lot of directors don't bother bringing on HEMA experts. Yes, it's nice to strive for realism, but what you'll find about fights (especially fucking duels) is that they are _all about_ characters & obstacles. They are the climax of two ideologies colliding in the most visceral & violent way possible. Productions gain very, _very_ little by having a HEMA dude point at something and shout, "But that's not realistic!" The best fights tend to be those that have the characters overcoming lots of small challenges back-to-back, with choreography more or less acting as filler. Because witnessing how & why characters deal with conflict is the literal backbone of good storytelling. Look for any random Stunt/Action Previz video here and TH-cam---something that was choreographed & shot by people who are both stunt performers and actors. The sheer leap in quality from Shad's little thing here might give you actual whiplash.
To start, I do agree with your overall sentiment. Furthermore, implying that Shad would be even close to qualifying as a professional fight consultant is hilarious Characterization is absolutely the most important thing about a fight scene, but I still don't see why utilizing HEMA expertise couldn't be used to elevate a fight scene You can (with a lot of effort and creativity) create a scene that really delivers a powerful message while simultaneously displaying plausible choreography. The way that a character chooses to fight can demonstrate a lot of their personal traits: Make certain characters use underhanded strategies like baiting and punishing exploitable responses with trap guards throughout the fight, and make others take issue with this and deliberately use above-board moves in noble protest. A character's temperament can be shown based on how much they use offensive or defensive techniques as well. Are they constantly going for killing blows? Are they holding back by only fencing the opponents weapon? Are their techniques getting sloppy as they succumb to rage? Drama can be gained from utilizing plausible strategies as well, as you can clearly show one opponent to be clearly more skilled than the other, which begs the audience to question how the less skilled can overcome their adversary Etc. Etc. Looking at Arcane is a great example of this (Yes, I know it's animated, but I feel like the point still stands. Correct me if you truly disagree). The animators spent _weeks_ studying real boxing footage to get a feel for what they could utilize for storytelling while maintaining a grounded fighting style. The fight scenes are bombastic and absolutely character driven, but they are made so much more impactful with the elements of them which feel down to earth. Character traits are demonstrated through small discernible elements of fighting style, such as one of the characters being incredibly headstrong and this being reflected by the fact that she frequently fights head first instead of maintaining an ideal guard. This wins her some fights AND loses her some fights in accordance with the plot and intentions of the story while feeling plausible and grounded So, yeah, I feel like realism should be looked into more for storytelling. Relegating choreography to just being filler seems like an absolute waste when so much can be characterized by carefully choosing how exactly characters fight. Not everything can be 100% realistic, obviously, but utilizing realistic techniques to display character without pushing away the audience by breaking their suspension of disbelief seems like an ideal goal to me
If anything this makes the opposite point. It's immediately obvious how boring and unsatisfying someone who doesn't know how to fight (or how historical fighting was done) making and acting a fight scene is to watch. Shad is NOT an expert in HEMA, he's an amateur historian (and quite bad at that even, more of a historical fetishist). He has almost no practical experience with HEMA. There's a reason the fight scenes in Duelist works so well, while stuff like ROTS and the Witcher doesn't. There's no amount of storytelling that doesn't make at least some of your audience go "cool twirl, why didn't your opponent stab you while you were doing that?"
Aboslute nonsense, whether you like Shadiversity´s video or not. Productions gain a sense of realism by consulting experts, that is exactly the point. Acting like that is ´´very very little´´ is just biased nonsense. It is important to very many people. It helps immersion a lot, even for people who do not care on a more conscious level about it being historical. Nothing about realism means it cannot be character- or obstacle-driven, and for a short I feel like criticism of this in this case is just measuring with two standards. Duelist shorts hardly ever include deep characters or such. Aside from that, why are we acting like the majority of movies have fight scenes and duels with deep character-implications, metaphorical struggles, or development? They dont. Even excellent movies dont nearly always have this.
Those outfits aren't helping this look any better. They look puffy and awkward, especially on the upper arms. It looks like Shad can't even move his shoulders forward very well, and it makes him look ridiculous in every frame
This reminds me of the critical drinker film/book. Half of the critiques both channels are built off are present so obviously within only a few minutes worth of their own content. If they were just amateur filmmakers/ writers without all the bad faith critiques, these things could easily be waved away as a learning curve and personal evolution of craft. But to spend years constantly bringing up issues just to have them immediately present within their own work really stretches the word hypocrisy to its limits.
Maybe you just don't know very much and you never understood where any of the criticism was coming from in the first place. Is that possible? That you don't actually know what you're talking about?
You think lightsaber fights are good and this is amateurish? I feel like I had an aneurysm or something reading this comment section. What even is this channel about?
@@AC-hj9tv He definitely is, but I always feel a twinge of regret about him because he's not actually media illiterate and could*** be a good reviewer/creator if he got out of his own way and just made art instead of fight the culture war.
And you should. Making art is great, even if it's not great art. What's not so great is insisting to your critics that your art *is* great and that everyone who doesn't like it just needs to be convinced of its greatness.
The set reminds me of that old MacGyver episode, where he went back into the past to King Arthur's court, and where the "court" consisted of a throne and some tents in the woods.
These are people who think they already know everything, and thus believe they don't have to learn anything or need to be taught anything. Hence their unwarranted confidence and their presumption to think they know better than experts.
I think the point was to show realistic sword fighting could look cool but I think that their missing a huge point of cinematic choreography and that's that story it tells. Ideally the way a character fights should tell you something about them. Are they more defensive so they attack less and use minimal movement, are they a brute so they swing wide and use their strength to their advantage, are they a showman so they use fancier techniques to make a show for the audience, are they a minimalist so they try and finish the fight as soon as possible. Their fight tells no story, you can tell a story without words they just chose not to. Two dudes who are dressed exactly the same for some reason, even though they fight under different banners, fight using the exact same style over a thrown of little to no importance. And of course Shad wins and is crowned king because why wouldn't he be.
You did give a LOT of great information during this video, holy shit lol. I'm sure they will say you were talking shit about them, but you told no lies lol. I've only worked on a couple of movies in my lifetime and the designing of a scene is a lot more than camera, people, "ACTION!!" lol. I truly appreciate your insights.
Shad watched corridor's sword fight video and said "I can do it better then a crew of guys who do it professionally and no matter what anyone says mine is the best ever period, and now I am a professional director" all just to add another feather to his picock esk hat.
Shad needs to either learn the difference between film and videos or give up on this pipedream of being a director/actor. His short film looks like a Smosh bit making fun of bad action sequences. And I can put my finger on it but his "cocky protag" face he keeps doing gives off guy-who-tattles-on-you-and-now-is-getting-his-way vibes.
Funny things are that: 1. Shad bought land to build own castle; 2. Didn't realized it is expensive; 3. Got permission from local goverment to build few as "Medieval Park"; 4. Begged fans to sponsor it; 5. Accidentaly revealed that he and his family will be living in one; 6. Goverment looks at his hands, he doesn't trust his goverment; 7. Changed Patreon to fund that castle; 8. Got into drama with various REAL experts about his "medieval fantasy" ideas; 9. He has no support for his project or credibility in HEMA clubs; 10. He is left with empty piece of land in middle of nowhere which noone will buy.
I feel like Shad saw Corridor's video that's trying to show how light sabers would realistically be used by hiring a real fight coordinator, and told himself, 'hey I know a lot about swords, I'll make a video that shows how a real swordfight would look like in a movie's and then shot this mess lol
9:17 not even early 2010s. Mid to late 2000s Tyler. I remember seeing those saber fights with brooms with adobe effect put into the brooms. I remember it like it was yesterday. And also audio track from Revenge of the Sith or The Phantom Menace. Not the music, *but audio from the movies* .
The best thing about that Duellists scene is how quiet and understated it is - it's more about character than spectacle. I haven't seen the film, but the repeated swishing sound of Keitel's sword - AFTER the duel - tells me exactly who his character is. Makes me wish Ridley Scott could still be that restrained in his filmmaking.
For someone who really hates the Star Wars sequels, he sure was able to capture how bad their swordfights look- the lighting, choreography, lack of emotional connection, cinematography, etc.
Funny how Shad is always angry that movies depict fights like people keep attacking the weapon and not the wielder and then he does the exact same thing
The thing about that is that Shad is unaware - you need to make openings, for example by attacking the opponents weapon, which he (like everyone else) does. To demonstrate: In kendo, the most common kamae* is both people pointing at each other´s throats with their shinai**, and it fucking hurts when you misjudge the center line and run straight into a shinai. That is also why if you watch the old Star Wars fights, which were heavily inspired by Kendo, they often attack each others lightsabers. Basically, a weapon is dangerous, and you need the opponents weapon far away from you to land an attack, as you don´t want their counter to hurt you - theoretically, I have never done this: even assuming you cut someone´s head off, their weapon can still hurt you from sheer momentum.
To bring this back to Shad - he is overthinking and underaware of what people do in a fight.
*Not sure of spelling, I haven´t done kendo in 15 years
***Bamboo sticks, basically
@AnotherVolvoxFan interesting. Thanks for your insight :)
Yea that guy is just a clown
@@AC-hj9tv That is an insult to clowns everywhere.
@@alannatherson7721 hahaha true. Bro is his own genre of cringe
I don't have any specialty film knowledge, but one criticism I can give of Shad's scene there is that there doesn't seem to be any progression through the fight. Is one combatant gaining or losing confidence? Do they change up techniques? Does someone get injured, or exhausted? Other than Shad clearly getting winded (which I'm not sure is supposed to be happening in-character), it seems like these duelists begin their final set in the same situation as they started the first one. A fight is supposed to tell a story over time, not just spin around until someone lands a hit and they move on.
I agree
This one is for people who know about, and like realistic sword fighting. A niche audience, but one that's starved of content.
You can see many close calls at trying to backstroke the opponents hands off of a clash and slice them. Their more refined parries and parry counters devolve into just prodding for openings and going for back strokes on the hands and then finally, grappling.
It's very realistic, it's not supposed to be like the movies, because movie sword fights look really dumb if you know what you're doing with a sword. I understand your perspective with the limited knowledge you have, but this one's for people that know about this stuff. Not movie buffs.
@@master-dukecuthbert5061 That's a lot of words for saying "I'm gonna glaze this guy who also has no clue how to swordfight"
At least try to hide your bias better next time
even if you went for 'realism' and made a point of how real duels don't follow those kind of rules it still needs to have a narrative. like you could tell a good story with a very realistic encounter but literally who are these characters meant to be? plus the fight is shot so bad
@@master-dukecuthbert5061 I'm a HEMA-practitioner. I can safely say this is the fencing style of people who have never sparred a professional lmao.
For a guy that stresses so hard on realistic fight scenes, this one sure is boring. The music, shots, moves just adds so much nothing it’s amazing
you just didn't get it
"Realistic fights"
Trying to cut armor, not wearing helmets, wincing in pain after getting slashed with zero impact to your gamberson with zero damage...
"Realistic fights"
@@filipferencak2717 all of those are you trying hard to nitpick the short but it is nonsense. Yes strikes would land on or even be aimed at armor. Yes, not all fighters would wear helmets always. Yes getting hit to a gamberson could hurt a lot, calling it zero impact is false, obviously there are constraints in filmmaking (its not real) with how hard you can hit an actor.
@@FrenkieWest32 No, all of those are legitimate logical complaints. No, strikes would not be aimed at the thickest parts of armor. It doesn't matter if "they would be wearing helmets" because they are not wearing them. They could have worn them, but they chose not to. And as for the impact, THERE WAS NO IMPACT. It wasn't a blow. It was a zero impact slash to Shad's side. It would definitely do absolutely nothing to him. He would feel no pain regardless of whether this is acted out or an actual battle to the death.
@@filipferencak2717 Why do you strawman me by changing your words now? The topic was not about aiming at the thickest parts of an armor. If you have to be dishonest like this, doesn´t that just prove you are wrong?
Hence why I said ´´not all fighters´´. Is your english working?
Slashes by definition have impact... Its physics. Besides that, anyone who makes such absolute statements like that on something they could not possibly know is wrong.
Opening with a minute of waddle shots is peak shadiversity
Tuba music as he waddles
nostrilversity
The Shad Waddle
Puts Steven Seagull to shame.
Bro can't even walk cool
"Let's film at midday and then make it like 4 stops darker in post. That'll make it look gritty"
turn it all grey
@@westsidetyleran Australian that wants to be an Englishman so fkn bad
OH DAMN SO GRITTY WHILE BEING CLEAN!!! OOOooo
When I was taking a filmmaking class in college, we had to make a short film using old school cameras with actual film so we'd learn the fundamentals of how it all actually works, and BOY did I learn a great lesson about how valuable actual knowledge can be. At one point I had shot some film in low light, and then later I was shooting some footage outdoors. As time went on it started getting a little overcast, but my light meter was barely getting a reading so I was like WTF is going on until I realized that I had not reset my light meter from the day before and so it was taking measurements for low light, so my entire day of work was overexposed by SIX STOPS. Even my professor was like "you in danger girl" and I just resigned myself to the reality that it was probably a wash, but I drove to the film developer, and because I knew how much it had been overexposed, he actually managed to develop it and make it usable even though it had been basically blown out like I was filming inside of a nuclear bomb. The accessibility of photography through current electronics is great, but that colossal fuckup and the fact that someone who knew what they were doing could actually fix it unironically taught me more about the importance of understanding how photography works than anything else in the class possibly could have.
His nose sticking out of the helmet is hilarious
its so fucking goofy, tha tshit would get sliced off it it were a real fight lmao
He explained in his own video overviewing Swordfight, where Shad said he didn't bring his own helmet, he forgot his good helmet at home, but since it was such a short time frame to film that day he just wore a helmet that was meant to be used for a prop later on.
@@kingpoxy2289 Ok? It is what ends up on screen that matters, not what was supposed to be .
@@martinjrgensen8234 it was still a mistake.
@@kingpoxy2289 Yeah, which is still funny because Shad of all people forgot his fucking helmet. They should have just had him not walk in with a helmet then, they're already fighting with no helmets; something he himself complains about in movies, so just have nether of them have helmets.
Man, if that Sellsword guy was anywhere near as salty and drama queeny as Shad he could easily burn this thing to the ground.
I really feel like Shad tried too hard to copy his style of "realistic coreography" in this...
... but Sellsword more gimmicky and "obvious low budget fuckery around" vibes is a HUGE part of why it works. Shad, in trying too hard to be cool lost this layer of good faith.
Noone, even Sellsword himself, think he is doing serious movie making or that he is an Hollywood level actor. It's just someone good at sword fighting doing light hearted play around and saying "if I can do it, just imagine what good actors could".
@@albertonishiyama1980 i think the dude could do pro coreaography given adequate resources, but chose to pursuit the youtube chanel.
@albertonishiyama1980 Oh yeah. Their dating app fight was actually really good. Perfect balance of corny and competence. And it made me almost believe that David could win over Clark. There is no way Shad stands a chance against the guy with the beard. You can tell Shad telegraphs his moves waaaay ahead while the other guy was way smoother.
Sellsword arts was waaaaay more salty and petty than shad has ever been in his entire history of TH-cam.
@@MissCaraMint bro they weren’t smoother tyranth and shad literally co-choreographed the fight 😂 lmao this entire comment section including the creator have no idea how sword fighting works yet are trying so hard to criticise it.
I like when Tyler talks about Shad because Tyler gets to explain concepts that Shad is too uncurious to learn and then I get to learn. Very much liked the photography/filmography talk.
facts, learning can be fun
Call him Rumpelstiltskin, cause Tyler is spinning straw into gold 🪡
Thats because shad is the type of person who thinks that he doesn't need to learn and he already knows all that he needs to know, which is how you fall into making stagnant and/or mediocre products.
Came for the shad mocking, stayed for the film school
I watched this movie for it's diversity and DEI elements
@@MastaBaitaAmbatukam you mean its Sha-diversity?
Gotta diversify those movie tastes to compare and contrast
The real problem is that Shad, who definitely is less skilled than Beardo has to win because it's his ego that runs the channel.
The other guy has an alternate version where he wins on his own channel.
@@sluggishtermite6333 of course he does.
@@TomTasker Its story, that doesn't make sense but it is still story.
Reiterating a note I made during the stream here. You don't want to shoot (generally) with a shutter speed as high as 1/200 for video. It'll turn out pretty choppy. Tyler is absolutely right about 1/200 for still photography. Shad should be using a Neutral Density Filter for daylight exteriors. It's basically sunglasses for your camera.
@@widgetfilms or a hood, or just not film at midday with shiny metal armor that washes out in direct sunlight
@@tylerreed610 A hood won't really lower your exposure. It can block out flares, but that won't make a huge difference in how many stops you're over exposed. Shad's DOF is so deep because he's probably shooting at a low aperture to expose properly because he doesn't have an ND filter. Shooting with a wider focal length is also going to give you a shallower depth of field. There's really nothing artistically "wrong" with the way shad's shooting, but it's clearly motivated by laziness and a lack of knowledge. It comes off like a guy with a DSLR decided to make his first movie, which is exactly what this is.
@@widgetfilms I'm only a baby with cameras lol
@widgetfilms The amount of times I have seen the Autofocus wildly searching for a target in Shads videos makes me think they shoot in full auto mode.
@@tylerreed610No elitism intended. I hope I was able to share some useful tips from my experience :)
Shad moves like a drunk fridge
He has a disability?!
i dont know anything about sword fighting but i know some in martial arts and boxing , and man , his foot work heavy and stationary-very easy to kick him or break his footing , though idk if its intentional for the sake of clarity in this short.
@@snoot6629 shad has a disability that hinders stuff like that
@@taxabletour4109 then maybe doing fucking swordfights which he hypes up as BETTER THAN HOLLYWOOD was a poor fucking career choice, innit?
This is also a demonstration of why watching a wide palette of films is important because if you only watch certain amount of movies, the movies you make will basically be the same as them and be absolutely boring. Shad fell into the "Boss Baby" trap
Someone has to take samples of shad criticising movies and make him criticise his own film.
Bonus points for using AI to do it
@chromenewt of course!
he did. although, he was pumping praises onto his own film (that's how unbiased and not disingenuous Shad is), then brought his buddy Metatron to do the same. professionally, of course! since Meta is a Professor... THEN Shad reacts in praising to Meta's praising his self praised film. And I could only hope Meta will react to it, praising the praising reaction in recursion style.
poor Ty. can only feel for the guy - trapped with Shad. probably 'was young, needed the money' thing. :( shad, very shad 😧
FYI he did that on his channel
@@chromenewt No, AI is still evil and using it at all is supporting it.
for those who don't know this. the helmet shad is wearing is an anachronistic and universally accepted (by the historical arms and armour community) as an overused and badly designed helmet. that helmet is super cringe.
nah in medieval times this style helmet was meant to prominently feature and thus intimidate one's opponent with the schnoz, shad just isn't wearing the nose-cage, presumably knocked off in a previous engagement
@numberonedad hahahaha
Not true. The nose is meant to stick out. Medieval manuscripts that I happened to find detail a type of weapon that is just a really long stabby pointy thing that you attach to your nose. People would wear those helmets and their nose swords and stab at each other like psychotic woodpeckers.
@@LtCdrXander naruto running into the frontline with my nose-lance
nothing is universally accepted and people knowledgeable on arms and armor are not a ´´community´´ with one opinion. I find people trying to present their opinion as the ´´universal opinion of experts´´ cringe.
the fact that he celebrated inwardly after dragging the blade on his opponents flank had me rolling my eyes so hard it hurt
What’s that restaurant in Chicago and shit that’s got the medieval jousting and duels while they serve you like huge chicken legs and flagons of beer? They do better sword fights than this
Its called Medieval Times
@@drethemage9559 that place was dope. I went there as a teen stoned to the bone one time with my family
Medieval Times! Went there in Vegas when I was very young and it was a blast.
@ can yall imagine going to a medieval times and seeing this duel put on for the crowd?
@@Anonymous58815 the one in vegas isn't actually a "Medieval Times" but the show is still awesome!
Haven't seen the Princess Bride in years. Went back, rewatched that fight scene now that I'm older and can appreciate all the details and just... holy crap, I forgot how amazing it is.
as a kid it just washes over you, but when you can really appreciate it it goes crazy
It really is my favorite sword fight on film. Welll ok it’s tied with the one from The Court Jester..
Dark Souls II guy from Temu fights your racist uncle: The Film
this title fixes the film
This title wins today's internet
He's not racist, he is homophobic/transphobic because of his religious beliefs, he's not racist, Tyler has portrayed him as racist, he has called him fat, a moron, and a terrible writer, now I don't know about the terrible writer but I do know that he is not a moron, he has showed himself sparring against other hema professionals in a video on patreon (I'm not sure if he posted it on youtube, I'm pretty sure he did), and calling someone fat is an insult that should've been shelved back in senior high school, as Metatron said attack the argument not the person.
@@kingpoxy2289 haha ok buddy
@@kingpoxy2289 you should read his book, then let us know what you think about his writing skills.
This has shown me two things. Shade doesn't know how to sword
Fight, and he can't act like he does either.
I actually like how you separated "swordfight" so it reads "Shade doesn't know how to sword". Made me chuckle. :D
As a HEMA practitioner, my greatest fear was that I would have to begrudgingly give Shad props for putting together a well-choreographed, grounded swordfight, but no this is incompetent. They're both making so many mistakes that I recognize from people who have only been practicing for a matter of months, and someone who speaks with a level of faux-authority on fencing as much as Shad does should be embarrassed to be this sloppy. I guess that's what happens when you spend more time having bad opinions on the internet than with a sword in your hands getting your reps in.
@@jesseharrold1812 for real bro is always talking trash but is trash himself
but you do get to speak with ´´faux-authority´´ because you are a ´´HEMA practitioner´´?
@@FrenkieWest32 No I get to speak with actual authority because I've been practicing swordplay for seven years and teaching for two.
@@jesseharrold1812 I bet Shad has been at it longer than 7 years, so that is funny.
@@FrenkieWest32 And yet he still stands and moves and holds guards like an absolute beginner because he refuses to do anything other than burn bridges with anyone who actually knows what they're doing. His pride does not allow him to learn.
One of the most effective duels I’ve ever seen is the fencing duel from Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch From Mercury. It’s only about 10 seconds long, the actual fight at least, but it’s one of the most important duels in the show. The quality of the scene is also enhanced by the fact that the animation quality is really good and was “choreographed” extremely well. The people who illustrated that scene are very skilled to say the least.
Shad would lose his shit over SuleMio.
Star Wars: Rebels had GREAT duel between Maul and Obi-Wan. Action takes about five seconds, but tension is wound tight. Sergio Leone was master of explosive action moment.
@@vksasdgaming9472 What's great about that fight is that it shows Obi-wans growth and Mauls failure to grow, Rebels had some really great moments
@@mk_gamíng0609 Maul had not remained static himself. He had become more patient and more pragmatic about his dealings. He was absolutely able to end their grudge in peaceful manner (as Obi-Wan and he were beaten relics) and that final visit was meant to confirm that Obi-Wan was as finished husk as he was and if it was so there would be no need to keep fighting.
Maul knew Obi-Wan well enough to deduce that he was not merely hiding on Tatooine. That was too much as such rogue element would break Obi-Wan's own long-term revenge scheme. They had become way more alike than neither wanted to admit or accept.
My first Gundam show, I really like it - even after slowly getting into the rest
Screen Tested is the other dude's channel, is this going to be a series of duels between Shadiversity and other channels?
Could we finally see the long awaited battle between Shadiversity and Westside Tyler as Ned Kelly with a rebar club?
Or better yet, Griftiversity Vs SellSwordArts.
doubt it, I get the feeling that there were alot of injuries and near misses that were edited out...doubt anyone wants a scar on their face from Shad lol
I think this was wasn´t friendly spar but choreographed fight that´s why so many attacks are on the sword and Shad do stuff that my forever beginer get chastised for.
They took their helmets off, first thing, right before the fight?! For “realism”? 😂
Stomping around
And no padding inside the helmet
@@petrfedor1851 methinks that helmet is already quite snug enough with shad's natural face padding
@@numberonedad to be fair He doesn't have to worry about brain damage
Yeah, the lack of padding really bothered me, especially since he acts like his some kind of historian.
And sticking the sword into the dirt is horrible form. Nobody, who care about their blades would do that. It is such a no-no, that I question if he actually even cares about swords...
And how he trow it away in the end in "I´m done with this sh*t"
He doesn't care about swords, he cares about his idea of swords
Wait, did it stick in the ground? I thought he tried for that, but it failed, tbf I was watching through tears at that point, so I might have missed it.
Not because I was laughing, oh no, I missed the divine presence of the negaTyler
If you do it, you're never picking that blade back up
how would you know whether people would do that in the middle ages or so. You think people then were like sword nerds today? Now that is delusional.
For someone who gets all up other film's asses about accuracy, idk why decided to put in the goofy beyblade tricks and single handed swats lol. Expending that much energy for sword twirls and trying to smack people around by one arming a 10 pound blade with just your wrist is just asking your opponent to kill you
Edit for clarity: yes I know the blade is closer to 3-4 pounds rather than 10. I was being hyperbolic but the point still stands
@@nateroo1486 more like 2 pounds but yeah lol
@@SwordTomato Yeah, they're about 3-ish feet long and historically would be iron so they're more in the ballpark of 3-5 pounds but yeah, point still stands. flicking anything with that center of gravity no matter how heavy it is is going to be sluggish and tiring in a fight. and 4 pounds is till a lot to just flop around without the rest of your arm lol
@@nateroo1486 by the time the brigandine shad was wearing was used swords were steel
@SwordTomato well if we're gonna get technical his brigandine would be most common in the 1500s where a good amount of swords weren't pure steel, they were mostly iron-steel composites instead of pure steel due to the cost of pure steel weaponry still being pretty high and the margin of weight is close enough for me not to really count it, still in the 3-5 pound range for a blade that length. Honestly the historical inaccuracies are more than just his technique, idk how many castles like that were built in the Australian outback or the fact that a king would not be crowned at the historical equivalent of a lawn chair next to a snake pit but whatevah. Now can we just laugh at the goofiness of Shad's spinny tricks? Lol
@@nateroo1486 yes sorry
Why aren't their hands protected? Wouldn't you, as a knight, want to protect your fingers from getting lopped off? (Not only that you would want to protect your actor's hands since if you miss you could get a nasty hand injury even with a dull blade)
Yup, lots of wearing lobster claw heavy gloves (gauntlet style) at my local HEMA club when we’re doing steel sparring. Girl what is this
they shouldn't be wearing armor at all in this situation in he first place.
As someone who got a dagger crossguard through the eyeslit of a salet during a reenactment practice, the fact they're not even wearing eye protection is making me wince.
Lots of historical combatants decided to forgo hand protection for various reasons.
If I were to guess. Since Shad doesn't practice with gear on usually he wouldn't be able to do his silly sword flips with actual gauntlets on. The chud can barely swing the sword and don't get me started on that man's stance.
Shad posted on twitter that revealed they filmed this in about 2 hours (which he didn’t need say it’s that obvious) and that he thinks this is better than a lot of fights in major Hollywood tv and film productions.
It was worse than the recent movie about Jan Žižka that made historian despair and swordsman enraged (and both go on long of exploration about everything bad in it).
Its funny how he alwys thinks he knows better then everyone. Just watch his videos for last four years. He knows better then pro archers, pro knife/axe throwers.... guy is such a fraud and he is crindge.
you know how some people have face blindness shad has quality blindness
So if you break the math down, he filmed 24x longer than the length of the video. Should it be 50x longer than the media produced? 100x? What would make sense for an indie production?
Also, I don't know if he thinks it's better, but it's objectively more realistic. 🤣 You should watch armored MMA... Shits hilarious how people ACTUALLY realistically fight with swords and armor.
But anyways, your comment is a lil retarded and doesn't make much sense in the context of the purpose that this piece of media serves.
Realistic sword fighting audience is niche, but starved of content.
it is.
> Wearing armour but swinging sword around instead of halfawording and seeking gaps
> Took their helmets off but not the rest of their armour
> Dodging sword blows their armour would've protected them fine from
> Guys have near identical outfits and builds
> Ugly ass graphics
> Overambitious nonsense fantasy setting
Why does this feeling like the Nostalgic Critic but of HEMA?
at least the NC movies were supposed to be silly, this shit is supposed to be better than hollywood lmao
- yes, and? What evidence on earth would there be that amored fighters were always permanently halfswording or whatever? Is this sword geeks being so proud knowing of halfswording that they need to tell everyone about it?
- yes, and? Helmets impair vision and faces. The rest of the armor does not.
- are you suggesting armored fighters would not or should not try to dodge attacks that their armor might defend them from?
- and?
- theyre amateure hobbyists, what do you expect?
- what is overambitious or nonsense about it?
@@FrenkieWest32 Shad i know that's you
And no hand protection. RIP fingers
This is what happened when you are using ai to generate storyboard
You think they had a story board?
@@mrheisenberg83 No but if they had one, I would imagine that it's an ai
@@saber8501 Fair enough. 😄
AI would do way better job. It would be gloriously pointless and extra-dramatic. This is more about sucking everything fun from good scene and leaving a husk.
you need to cover the latest "youtube is making me broke" video by shad
today
from slo-mo sword grab, to sword toss, to being crowned was just laughable. Not to mention the music near the end, guess the dragon was a JJ style mystery box
I'm starting to think Shad is the type of nerd that thinks fighting is all about memorizing exercises and executing them as dance choreography like smashing buttons in a fighting game. As if "the MacKnighting Gambit nearly always works in this particular situation, because it was in a book and highly praised by it's own writer!" is his actual line of thinking.
Shadiversity looks like he took two weeks of German Longsword class and then decided he knew enough to choreograph a whole fight. They are using real guard positions with VERY poor technique and structure and no knowledge of how it all works together.
@@sinistersharkfish Basically yes, that's how he got started. He's one of those "I don't need to study the old manuals, I do what works!" guys.
@deargamadaun tbf that's a lot of fencers. he looks like he doesn't study the manuals, doesn't practice technique, doesn't work out, doesn't spar, and (worst of all) doesn't know know bad he looks
@@deargamadaun he looks like he doesn't study the manuals, doesn't practice, doesn't spar, doesn't work out, and doesn't know what he looks like. you can practice what works without studying the manuals, that's totally fine. this guy just has narcissimm
Two weeks fifteen years ago maybe. That form is atrocious even for most beginners.
the ironic thing is, as much as you people complain about being a self-proclaimed expert, youre here doing the same. I somehow doubt you are Achilles yourself.
Is there a lore reason for the amazing disappearing and reappearing NegaTyler?
His jeans and modern shoes, probably.
Their armor looks like larp shit, which is on brand, but he’s complained about inaccurate armor
Larp is amazing you shaddup
@@gamecubemaster1990 They are actually wearing real armor in this video.
@ I know the barbute and brigindine are real armor but those pauldrens and just how the rest look, it looks like larp gear
Nothing he does even approaches accuracy, everything he has is internet purchased cheap larp shit
@@TacticalGamingFool I’m not saying larp is bad I’m just saying their armor is. At least in my opinion
We're once again back to the "my-channel-is-dying"-arc. Probably because he still hasn't learned anything from his past successes.
Could be misremembering, but the 180 rule is there for continuity. For setting up shots, there's an imaginary line you can make between the two characters, & when making cuts or movement, you need to shoot along one side of it to avoid confusing the audience, or breaking past that 180° angle.
thank you, yeah, I couldn't remember the specifics, just what it looks like when you do it wrong
yes and it can be strategically broken to create tension or a surreal feeling.
@@danielbroome5690 one really fun example of "breaking" the 180 rule is in Return of the King (I think, it might be late in Two Towers, but I'm pretty sure it's the beginning of RotK), the "conversation" between Smeagol and Gollum *literally* breaks the 180 rule as the camera flips between which side of the character's face is being filmed for each personality's lines, but by physically breaking the rule Peter Jackson was actually following the "spirit" of the rule by presenting the audience a view that *always* has Smeagol looking to one side of the shot and Gollum looking to the other side, which makes the scene "feel" like dialogue even though only one character is literally talking
@@JimRFF A good example for why one should understand rules to break them with intent!
I got to admit, I watched Shad for years. I was on his side when it came to sword-fights in movies.
The fact that he praises himself for this shortfilm, calling it realistic and better looking than real movies produced right now, just makes me shake my head.
Yeah i also used to be a big fan of Shad. But that was years ago, when he stuck to his castle videos. He then decided that he was going to be an artiste, like his brother. But he just isn't good at art. Which on its own would be ok, but he views himself as the next Da Vinci. And then his personal views came to light, and I realized what a terrible person he really was.
@ oh yeah, seeing his stuff on art got me raging, especially since I’ve got a few artists in my social circle, so I know how much work it is.
Shad's walk make it very clear that he is not a physically active or physically fit person. He offers many reasons for his physical health, but he is never going to be the exemplar of physical activity or combat he thinks he is. Choreographing a fight and having athletic actors do it would be the thing if he is the expert he thinks he is... Also I will make an observation that Bruce Lee made about fighting on film. If there is not emotional context than it is just a bunch of movements that mean nothing, no matter how skilled the movements are. This fight has no context, thus no stakes thus it is just moving around for no purpose.
“He thinks he is” care to back this up or are you just jealous?
I will fight Shadiversity under any conditions, with any imposed rules, under any schedule that allows me to arrive at his location in a reasonable amount of time.
so you just dont like shorts about a fight? No need to try to make that a criticism of this production. The way you phrase it, why would anyone watch any actual martial arts or combat sports? Some people can enjoy that yes.
I just wanna point out, at 8:18 there is NOTHING stopping Shad's opponent from leaning forward and piercing him with his sword, Shad is so unbalanced after that dodge that he'd need to fall to the ground to avoid it, and from there ending the fight would be no problem at all
But instead they both get back into position. That's the problem with this fight I feel like, they use moves and exchanges that are actual swordfighting techniques, but add pauses for both fighters to get back into position every few seconds, often times in a situation where it's obvious if one of them followed up the fight would've been over
Also, the final exchange makes no sense, as ANYBODY in that situation would either a) move back instead of pushing into Shad with his body, b) let go of his weapon with one hand and punch Shad in the face, or c) let go of their weapon, and go to the ground with your opponent, reaching for dagger or wrestling for some other advantage. Basically anything other than trying to wrestle your weapon from under opponent's blade while their sword is about to hit your face.
Shitiversity does amateurish work and not in a good way. At best amateurish means knowledgeable and enthusiastic while lacking practice and this "movie" is more a case of arrogantly ignoring what predecessors have made and gotten to work.
Watching him waddle across that field in a flat comedy shot in the beginning is so funny dude
"Realistic sword fighting"
-> Immediately takes off helmet, the single worst choice you could ever possibly make in a fight to the death, so utterly stupid that taking off your helmet may as well amount to surrendering
-> Not wearing Gauntlets while not using a sword that provides adequate hand protection, such as a sword with a basket or swept hilt
-> fight lasts longer than thirty seconds without devolving into on the ground wrestling with daggers trying to find a gap in the armor
-> both fighters engage in everything listed above
I appreciate they approach PPE in the exact opposite direction of necessity. Usually your hands require the absolute most constant protection because you touch stuff with them, and then you need your head protected because it's your goddam head, and your eyes along with that and then your neck, upper chest, so on and so forth. I'd fight in clamshell gloves and a helmet 10 times out of 10 before going with torso and leg armor instead lol
@@westsidetyler The most embarrassing part is that there's an extremely easy way to get realistic swordfighting for a film.
Just... record yourself doing actual sparring. There are soooooooo many HEMA sparring videos on youtube, each and every one of them has been more entertaining than this discount Anakin vs Obi-Wan.. Those back and forth walking trades with constant high-guards was just pathetic.
wrong. Vision is incredibly limited with such a helmet.
Hema sparring videos are absolutely not entertaining to most people. Let alone that they clearly do not look like real fights either.
In defense of Shad around 8 minutes in ... everyone misses a lot of opportunities in fights. That´s why amateurs think they could beat Mike Tyson or someone like that, when they watch a match on screen, the openings not taken are obvious.
Mid 2010's Nostalgia Critic looks down on this.
And this's the guy who constantly barks against "woke stuff" and thinks he can do it better?
LMAO
The cinematography looks soo baad. The camera keeps shaking, like, they didn't even use a stabiliser?
I know it is stupid to complain about a Shadiversity video, but the general characterisation in the film is so weird. Weird, as it's inconsistent.
nah it's an old rule of cinema that mugging to camera is always allowed, the rule of cool
Just compare this to what Adorea Olomouc and Akademia Szermierzy have been producing
Adorea is not only fantastic sword fighting, but they also know how to actually shoot film
just compare either to Crouching tiger hidden dragon
Now we wait for Sellsword Arts to make a skit about how Shadiversity doesn't know what he is talking about again.
He’s a little too gracious for that lol
He doesn’t have to. He recently made his own fencing short, and it’s just a lot better. It really speaks for itself.
I think if you wanna try and do realistic medieval sword fights convincingly then you should probably copy Kurosawa
For real, Star Wars Rebels did that exact thing with the final duel between maul and Kenobi. It's just a couple blade swings and minutes of tense build up. Genuinely the best lightsaber fight imo, and I wish more movies took inspiration from one of the best directors to ever live
Kurosawa is good source to general cinema lessons and excellent source for action.
@@drpepperman2765 As much as I like it, in what world is that ´´realistic´´?
Imma add this to the "alt-right media is just plain terrible" pile
The Little drummy drum music in the background is doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
Man, this is why your media/ anti ai content is so good.
Just scamming me into learning more about art.
Finally some good Shadtent
Choreography so bad you don’t even notice Nega-Tyler getting eaten by a blurry AI dragon off screen, dockers and timbs and all.
What gets me is the total lack of storytelling from a guy who claims to be a professional creative. What even was the story supposed to be here? Two guys meet in front of the spontaneous chair and fight over who gets to be king? Alright let’s go with that…then why are they acting like this is just a Sunday sparring session? They’re just over here in their matching uniforms lazily twirling their swords around with no sense of emotional weight or even difference of temperament between them. And then when they do clash, they just STOP to twirl some more! Neither of them are shown to care about whatever thin stakes have been set up.
That Duelists scene really has it all. In the midst of all that buildup tension, you get to see the essence of their character. Feraud is impatient and holding back petty rage, so he keeps his eyes forward, stays silent, and eagerly swings his sword back and forth waiting for d’Hubert to finish his sneeze. d’Hubert meanwhile takes his time with it cuz all things considered, he doesn’t want to be there. THAT’S how you show character without a word or a clash between them.
The whole point of Shad’s video was to do a scene with more authentic swordsmanship and fewer continuity errors than your typical Hollywood production right? Well setting aside the failure on at least one of those points, all that work on choreography is pointless when there’s no reason for it to even happen, let alone go on for 4 minutes. If ever there was a visual metaphor for the rest of Shad’s being, it’s this. Bravo Shad 👏
As someone who's actually practiced HEMA in a club for several years (shad doesn't believe in training with others on a regular basis it seems, and mostly just plays by himself), their footwork is hilariously abysmal. They are basically just quickly walking at each other, and staying in striking distance whilst not actively presenting a threat to the opponent. I didn't see a single proper lunge or other explosive footwork.
This is why you adjust roles to the actors: make them two knights that just recovered use of their legs but really want to kill each other and have them just do a bunch of prise de fer and clinch because they can't backstep
Ladies and gentlemen, this, right here, is why a lot of directors don't bother bringing on HEMA experts. Yes, it's nice to strive for realism, but what you'll find about fights (especially fucking duels) is that they are _all about_ characters & obstacles. They are the climax of two ideologies colliding in the most visceral & violent way possible. Productions gain very, _very_ little by having a HEMA dude point at something and shout, "But that's not realistic!"
The best fights tend to be those that have the characters overcoming lots of small challenges back-to-back, with choreography more or less acting as filler. Because witnessing how & why characters deal with conflict is the literal backbone of good storytelling. Look for any random Stunt/Action Previz video here and TH-cam---something that was choreographed & shot by people who are both stunt performers and actors. The sheer leap in quality from Shad's little thing here might give you actual whiplash.
To start, I do agree with your overall sentiment. Furthermore, implying that Shad would be even close to qualifying as a professional fight consultant is hilarious
Characterization is absolutely the most important thing about a fight scene, but I still don't see why utilizing HEMA expertise couldn't be used to elevate a fight scene
You can (with a lot of effort and creativity) create a scene that really delivers a powerful message while simultaneously displaying plausible choreography. The way that a character chooses to fight can demonstrate a lot of their personal traits: Make certain characters use underhanded strategies like baiting and punishing exploitable responses with trap guards throughout the fight, and make others take issue with this and deliberately use above-board moves in noble protest. A character's temperament can be shown based on how much they use offensive or defensive techniques as well. Are they constantly going for killing blows? Are they holding back by only fencing the opponents weapon? Are their techniques getting sloppy as they succumb to rage? Drama can be gained from utilizing plausible strategies as well, as you can clearly show one opponent to be clearly more skilled than the other, which begs the audience to question how the less skilled can overcome their adversary
Etc. Etc.
Looking at Arcane is a great example of this (Yes, I know it's animated, but I feel like the point still stands. Correct me if you truly disagree). The animators spent _weeks_ studying real boxing footage to get a feel for what they could utilize for storytelling while maintaining a grounded fighting style. The fight scenes are bombastic and absolutely character driven, but they are made so much more impactful with the elements of them which feel down to earth. Character traits are demonstrated through small discernible elements of fighting style, such as one of the characters being incredibly headstrong and this being reflected by the fact that she frequently fights head first instead of maintaining an ideal guard. This wins her some fights AND loses her some fights in accordance with the plot and intentions of the story while feeling plausible and grounded
So, yeah, I feel like realism should be looked into more for storytelling. Relegating choreography to just being filler seems like an absolute waste when so much can be characterized by carefully choosing how exactly characters fight. Not everything can be 100% realistic, obviously, but utilizing realistic techniques to display character without pushing away the audience by breaking their suspension of disbelief seems like an ideal goal to me
If anything this makes the opposite point. It's immediately obvious how boring and unsatisfying someone who doesn't know how to fight (or how historical fighting was done) making and acting a fight scene is to watch.
Shad is NOT an expert in HEMA, he's an amateur historian (and quite bad at that even, more of a historical fetishist). He has almost no practical experience with HEMA.
There's a reason the fight scenes in Duelist works so well, while stuff like ROTS and the Witcher doesn't. There's no amount of storytelling that doesn't make at least some of your audience go "cool twirl, why didn't your opponent stab you while you were doing that?"
Aboslute nonsense, whether you like Shadiversity´s video or not. Productions gain a sense of realism by consulting experts, that is exactly the point. Acting like that is ´´very very little´´ is just biased nonsense. It is important to very many people. It helps immersion a lot, even for people who do not care on a more conscious level about it being historical.
Nothing about realism means it cannot be character- or obstacle-driven, and for a short I feel like criticism of this in this case is just measuring with two standards. Duelist shorts hardly ever include deep characters or such.
Aside from that, why are we acting like the majority of movies have fight scenes and duels with deep character-implications, metaphorical struggles, or development? They dont. Even excellent movies dont nearly always have this.
04:02 he bonks his head with his sword and leaves it in like a pro 😂😂😂
Haha
4 minutes into the video and I must stop and rest, the second-hand embarassment is real
Those outfits aren't helping this look any better. They look puffy and awkward, especially on the upper arms. It looks like Shad can't even move his shoulders forward very well, and it makes him look ridiculous in every frame
On start, I’m scared of how cringe this is going to be given how cringe shads book is
i’m a filmmaking student and this was such a sick ass video. i learnt so much, especially alongside visual examples.
The film is bad, the cuts are weird, all of the choices are off, fencing is meh, all of the dudes look stupid and wtf is up with the ugly AI dragons?
This reminds me of the critical drinker film/book. Half of the critiques both channels are built off are present so obviously within only a few minutes worth of their own content. If they were just amateur filmmakers/ writers without all the bad faith critiques, these things could easily be waved away as a learning curve and personal evolution of craft. But to spend years constantly bringing up issues just to have them immediately present within their own work really stretches the word hypocrisy to its limits.
Maybe you just don't know very much and you never understood where any of the criticism was coming from in the first place. Is that possible? That you don't actually know what you're talking about?
your comment sounds a little bad faith, mate. What bad faith critiques he made are immediately present in this short exactly?
They both are slowly turning into bitter old grifters, must be some weird pipeline
Remember lightsaber fights? Those had good cinematography. This looks decidedly amateurish.
So like the lightsaber fights in the JJ Abrams movies
Amateurish in bad way. Ugandan action films are amateurish in great way.
You think lightsaber fights are good and this is amateurish? I feel like I had an aneurysm or something reading this comment section. What even is this channel about?
@@TylerChamb I'm sorry you've had an aneurysm that makes you this dumb.
negatyler the white returns to us now at the turn of the tide
Man this and Critical Drinker's short film i feel like there was something in the Chud water last week
😂 CD is cringe fr
@@AC-hj9tv He definitely is, but I always feel a twinge of regret about him because he's not actually media illiterate and could*** be a good reviewer/creator if he got out of his own way and just made art instead of fight the culture war.
@@danielbroome5690nah, his book sucked
@@danielbroome5690 He is lazy and his audience encourages it.
"Swordfight"
I'm not making the joke.... I'm not making the joke.... I'm not making the joke
I feel significantly better about every shitty amateur short film I’ve made
And you should. Making art is great, even if it's not great art. What's not so great is insisting to your critics that your art *is* great and that everyone who doesn't like it just needs to be convinced of its greatness.
Do you think he instinctively flinches at his own screen name out of fear of the woke?
“DIVERSITY?! Oh wait it’s just my handle…”
I think if I submitted this film as my first project in the one introductory filmmaking class I took I wouldve gotten expelled.
yeah this is high school av tech crap
The set reminds me of that old MacGyver episode, where he went back into the past to King Arthur's court, and where the "court" consisted of a throne and some tents in the woods.
Funnily enough Briton king's court from around 500 AD might have been exactly that.
I like how you use the Ridley Scott example. That guy still kicks ass. Even when he fails. He just keeps going. The duelist got him the Alien gig.
so shad is a larp not a hema guy. and is really bad too
Yup, I feel like it would be an insult to call him a larp guy
This feels like something space ice would cover
Shad failing at every point "this is what movies should be!"
Why didn’t he just use an ND filter smh
Why didn't he just not make this
So this dude is just talking shit at everything all day and thinks he is an expert in everything
ye
Shad should have watched some of Adorea Olomouc, now that is professional team that can put on a fight.
HIS CHANNEL IS DYING!!! YEEEESSS!!!
I'm concerned for the safety of the actors but not the characters.
These are people who think they already know everything, and thus believe they don't have to learn anything or need to be taught anything. Hence their unwarranted confidence and their presumption to think they know better than experts.
the 18 minute camera tech stunlock was glorious
I think the point was to show realistic sword fighting could look cool but I think that their missing a huge point of cinematic choreography and that's that story it tells. Ideally the way a character fights should tell you something about them. Are they more defensive so they attack less and use minimal movement, are they a brute so they swing wide and use their strength to their advantage, are they a showman so they use fancier techniques to make a show for the audience, are they a minimalist so they try and finish the fight as soon as possible. Their fight tells no story, you can tell a story without words they just chose not to. Two dudes who are dressed exactly the same for some reason, even though they fight under different banners, fight using the exact same style over a thrown of little to no importance. And of course Shad wins and is crowned king because why wouldn't he be.
You did give a LOT of great information during this video, holy shit lol. I'm sure they will say you were talking shit about them, but you told no lies lol. I've only worked on a couple of movies in my lifetime and the designing of a scene is a lot more than camera, people, "ACTION!!" lol. I truly appreciate your insights.
I choose to live in a world where this is satire, not because it is true, but because it makes it tolerable to watch.
Baked potato v. Boiled hotdog
Love how the guy in the white tunic is wearing jeans and modern work boots
When I saw Nega-Tyler I clapped.
Shad watched corridor's sword fight video and said "I can do it better then a crew of guys who do it professionally and no matter what anyone says mine is the best ever period, and now I am a professional director" all just to add another feather to his picock esk hat.
Shad needs to either learn the difference between film and videos or give up on this pipedream of being a director/actor. His short film looks like a Smosh bit making fun of bad action sequences. And I can put my finger on it but his "cocky protag" face he keeps doing gives off guy-who-tattles-on-you-and-now-is-getting-his-way vibes.
Crazy watching this after a video where Shad is all pissy about not getting impressions on his channel XD
Funny things are that:
1. Shad bought land to build own castle;
2. Didn't realized it is expensive;
3. Got permission from local goverment to build few as "Medieval Park";
4. Begged fans to sponsor it;
5. Accidentaly revealed that he and his family will be living in one;
6. Goverment looks at his hands, he doesn't trust his goverment;
7. Changed Patreon to fund that castle;
8. Got into drama with various REAL experts about his "medieval fantasy" ideas;
9. He has no support for his project or credibility in HEMA clubs;
10. He is left with empty piece of land in middle of nowhere which noone will buy.
I feel like Shad saw Corridor's video that's trying to show how light sabers would realistically be used by hiring a real fight coordinator, and told himself, 'hey I know a lot about swords, I'll make a video that shows how a real swordfight would look like in a movie's and then shot this mess lol
9:17 not even early 2010s. Mid to late 2000s Tyler. I remember seeing those saber fights with brooms with adobe effect put into the brooms. I remember it like it was yesterday. And also audio track from Revenge of the Sith or The Phantom Menace. Not the music, *but audio from the movies* .
Unironically a better lesson than I got in my 100-level Uni Film class
It's mostly adapted from still photography so mileage may vary
The best thing about that Duellists scene is how quiet and understated it is - it's more about character than spectacle. I haven't seen the film, but the repeated swishing sound of Keitel's sword - AFTER the duel - tells me exactly who his character is. Makes me wish Ridley Scott could still be that restrained in his filmmaking.
So, my theory is that he shot this without actually looking at it.
For someone who really hates the Star Wars sequels, he sure was able to capture how bad their swordfights look- the lighting, choreography, lack of emotional connection, cinematography, etc.
@@Tareltonlives so bad even Mr. Plinkett won't watch it!
@@CrowManyClouds So bad Mr Plinkett might actually LIKE it