Why Scientists Can't Agree On The Age Of The Universe - Featuring Dr. Becky | Answers With Joe
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Astrophysicists are currently struggling to explain an inconsistency that has become a cosmological crisis, and it has to do with the Hubble Constant, which determines the expansion of the universe.
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Planck satellite observations point to it possibly being a sphere
www.newscientist.com/article/...
www.wired.com/story/cosmology...
PBS Spacetime: • The Crisis in Cosmology
www.scientificamerican.com/ar...
www.quantamagazine.org/new-wr...
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I really hope I'm still alive when they find the answer. I've been lucky to have lived and seen amazing progress in science for 63 years and I will never get tired of learning new things. Thanks to both of you for a great video.
@Grandma Mo Says... Here's the answer...
The Universe is INFINITE both in space and time. There! You've just learned the answer to the size and age of the Universe.
There isn't THE Big Bang. There are infinite localized Big Bangs happening all the time.
The concept of "infinite" is still hard for the so-called "intelligent" beings from this planet to grasp.
When you find an answer you just found a dozen more questions so don't hold ur breath. Oh we found out that its been gazillion years since the big bang. But what caused the BigBang? So its like a localized explosion and alot of things happened during that explosion so theoretically we make mini universes everytime we light up a match. So on So on So on it wont end. So time for us is pretty minuscule at best like the life of a virus evolving and mutating and dying in seconds, there we're probably a whole civilization during those times and it was so short and that would make you think about our own lifespan coz it is indeed short. It gets crazy quick. Ah life is beautiful and its mysteries and i would love to know as much as possible but yeah it just continues on getting nuttier and nuttier whenever anyone discovers something. That's what i love about science.
@@thebananamen1026 It seems you didn't read my comment.
I will say it again:
The "Universe" has NEVER started, it has always existed. The Universe's "age" is INFINITE.
The "size" of the Universe--> INFINITE, no beginning, no end.
As for your judgment about me not being smart... pleeeeese, this is so childish.
You don't know me, my background...
It's a bit boring to debate about how "big" or how "old" the Universe is. INFINITE is the ONLY mathematical, logical answer.
THE UNIVERSE HAS NO BEGINNING AND HAS NO END, BOTH IN TIME AND SPACE.
THE UNIVERSE HAS NO BEGINNING AND HAS NO END, BOTH IN TIME AND SPACE.
THE UNIVERSE HAS NO BEGINNING AND HAS NO END, BOTH IN TIME AND SPACE.
...
Now let it sink... meditate on it, allow your neurons to have little orgasms with this idea.
@@thebananamen1026 ...
You said:
"santsuma I just think it’s immature to assume you absolutely 100% know the answer to a question that literally no one else on the planet does".
The problem with your sentence is when you say that NO ONE on the planet does... referring to the answer I proposed, i.e. that the Universe is Infinite in size and eternal in time.
The "Big Bang Theory" is called a "theory" for a reason.
The debate of a beginning in time for the Universe and a "defined" size for it has been going on forever...
Aristotle:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity_of_the_world
Dr. Jim Peebles, Professor Emeritus at Princeton and the Physics Nobel Prize in 2019:
TOP COSMOLOGIST LONELY BATTLE AGAINST "BIG BANG" THEORY:
web.archive.org/web/20191114152141/www.afp.com/en/news/826/top-cosmologists-lonely-battle-against-big-bang-theory-doc-1m915e1
The subject can be debated forever, like many others... but this is as far as my time and interest on exchanging ideas about this subject goes.
PS... As we are living the "COVID19" pandemic time, I would suggest you and anyone reading here to RESEARCH the best approach to avoiding it and if contaminated, curing it: Learn everything you can about our IMMUNE SYSTEM.
IMMUNE SYSTEM:
What it is, how it works, why almost everyone doesn't have an optimal immune system, how anyone can improve it, and why and how our own immune system CAN neutralize ANY pathogenic microorganism.
Wish you all the best...
@Nakor Z ... Interesting text...
But... you wrote:
"..something infinite in time and space cannot have ever begun at any point, therefore could not exist at all."
Why not?
The very idea that something is eternal implies no beginning... and then to conclude "therefore could not exist"... defies simple logic.
The very idea that something is infinite in space implies in no starting point, no boundaries.
What would be the "border" of a hypothetically limited sized universe? A wall? An end to galaxies and just vacuum after that? If so, that "vacuum" after the universe "border" would extend itself to the infinite? Would it NOT be part of the whole?
Infinite and eternity seem to be concepts quite difficult for our "human being" brains to grasp... but both can be easy to grasp as well. To me, these concepts have been accepted forever.
That the number PI... it has an infinite number of decimals, doesn't it?
The series of natural numbers... 1, 2, 3... etc "ad infinitum", in one direction, right?
But then you can look in the other direction ... -1, -2, -3, etc
From - ထ to + ထ ...
Joe AND Becky?! That’s a better team up than Marvel!
she's so awesome, i love her channel sfm!!
Name a better duo. I'll wait.
Agreed
Snooze fest unless it's intergalactic porn
In brain power terms is like seeing Odin Father of everything talking to black widow.
Normal people: Eureka moment.
80's pop fan: AH-HA moment.
I miss the ABBA moment.
@@Jk-db5pz "Eureka" comes from the Ancient Greek word εὕρηκα heúrēka, meaning "I have found (it)", which is the first person singular perfect indicative active of the verb εὑρίσκω heurískō "I find".[1] It is closely related to heuristic, which refers to experience-based techniques for problem-solving, learning, and discovery.
@@Jk-db5pz one came a long time before the other lol ;)
It's generally attributed to Archimedes. Think it was when he was getting in a bathtub lol
Married with Children fan: Urethra Moment
A great idea having Dr Becky along! She does indeed have the skill to make even the most complex concepts much more digestible for more humans. I look forward to the full interview.
very interesting with Dr becky. Please more like that.
Dr Becky is the best, i'm so glad she's being promoted on a bigger channel. everyone, please sub to her!! her vids are amazing
She has her own channel. Some really good videos on it as well.
Andrew Brown
yup, i really hope a lot of people from this vid sub to her, she has extremely educational videos, while still being funny. and the outtakes at the end are my favorite. she's so awesome
I agree Dr. Becky is awsome
Concur! Check out Dr. Becky.
Fred
Yeah, Dr. Becky is one of my top five or six go to science channels.
🤗 thanks!
I'M SO EXCITED TO SEE HER ON HIS CHANNEL OMG
Yep! This and Scishow also.
@@DrBecky I'm also a great fan Becky :)
and Sabine Hosselnfelder :)
"...wouldn't that be negative curvature?" And this is when Joe rediscovered hyperbolic geometry.
Heh.
I'm so glad Joe uploads regularly. Something so soothing about watching Joe's videos before bed.
Omg so true
I listen in bed he relaxes me 🥱🤘😅
I prefer watching while having a good bowel movement
Everytime the jingle/song plays at the beginning of your videos, I automatically do a little dance.
It consists of awkwardly shaking my butt to the rhythm and smiling happily.
I call it the "I'm boutta learn some knowledge"-dance
I gotta start doing that one!
Finger drums on the desk for me (but I never get it right mmm...)
I call it some weird ass pavlovian conditioning experiment gone horribly wrong LoL
I bet you were the coolest girl at Prom.
My two favorite youtubers, I'm happy.
Aw shucks. Glad you liked it!
Here here!
Dr. Becky how are you not verified?
@@DrBecky Almost my birthday but I feel like it's today !!!
Came here to say the same thing. My 2 fav YT makers working together.
You, Dr Becky, Joe Scott and a few others explain physics and science in general so well that at 59 I’m enjoying learning so much more than as a kid with mandatory education
"The dreaded big freeze" ...unless, of course, you're Isaac Arthur, who is eagerly anticipating it.
Trillions of civilizations surviving digitally off the waning heat delta of the cooling black holes time dilated so they can communicate across the entire universe in real time with the trillions of civilizations around every other cooling object. Yeah that one scrambled my mind for good.
Honey Badger Offroad okay I’ve gotta get a link or a reference point for that. Ive listened to many of his but that sounds awesome. Can u help me out?
@@granthoover9045 It's a whole series called "Civilizations at the end of time." The black hole farming one I think I was referencing.
@@PoeRacing oh man i forgot about that one, i was thinking about that video for days after having watched it.
Dr Becky is utterly lovely - it really makes me smile that you two are friends :)
5:54 "There are two ways we can use to find the Hubble constant" - One of them is ask Dr. Becky.
And she won't ask you to sing silly songs in order to tell it to you.
Her blooper reel, and editing Becky inserts for corrections she misses during filming are hilarious and super endearing and charming.
Dr Becky is awesome.
The data for the Event Horizon Telescope has to be physically shipped because the Internet doesn’t have enough bandwidth to get it there faster than copying it to a hard drive and putting it on a plane. This is one way astronomy drives innovation. Someone’s going to figure out the next step in telecom speeds so transferring 5 petabytes is like 5GB now and then later...5MB.
I've been dealing with petabytes for years. Every time my cat gets agitated, she gives me a nip.
Oh wait... that's a pet bite. A whole 'nuther thing.
Already being done! I know of experimental local networks in universities in Wales that have transfer speeds in excess of 1TB a second and that was a couple of years ago.
We're too close to 1 mil, why haven't you gotten there yet?
Because he bought a Tesla...?
As long as I have had this channel people have been asking why it's not bigger. I took it as a compliment for a while but then got all self-conscious, like, "what am I doing wrong?"
I'm expecting to cross that line around the end of the year.
@@joescott and you will Joe. Avid viewer from the UK.
@@joescott I think you make super interesting content and you definitely deserve more subs. I hope you continue to grow from here on out as well!
@@joescott you are one of the few channels that when they post a video it is an instant click. Keep doing what you do 😊
Dr Becky - one of my favourite TH-cam science communicators. Great person to do a collab with, Joe. Well chosen!
Wow high praise! Thanks 🤗
@@DrBecky Well deserved!
I love Dr. Becky's channel, she really explains complex topics well and I love her passion for astronomy. Great video!
Joe,dr Becky and David butler are my 3 all time favorites. Every video they put out is a must watch. Great too see two of my favorites collaborate. Well done both of you as always. Thanks!
Yay, Dr Becky! Two of my favourite people in one place.
Ive been watching dr. Becky forever now, she's amazing! Would love more interview style videos, thanks for all you do!!
👋👋👋
“Hidden Figures” featured several “computers”
Awesome video! Thank you for putting this together! Wonderful job as always!
“Featuring Dr. Becky”
Instant like. Love her!
I am so happy go guys did a collaboration. I love it when my favorite TH-camrs work together!
It was a really fun collab! 🤗
I agree! Joe and Rebecca are great; my favourite channels!
Dr. Becky your book was delivered the other day, but I haven’t got a chance to crack it open. I’m looking forward to reading it!
@@DrBecky - You both share an inquisitive mindset and are excellent presenters - listening to you both discuss a topic? fascinating! I think the only conversation I'd enjoy more is between yourself and Maggie Pocock :)
@Joe: I first saw Dr. Becky as one of the regular experts featured on one of Brady Haran's many science, technology and math(s)-related AdTube channels, Sixty Symbols, which eventually led me to her own channel. I'm a big fan of hers, and I think it's so awesome that you two got to collaborate!!
As an aside, one of my top-fav videos on her channel was one she did on Queen guitarist, Brian May, and his contributions to science!
Been watching you for years, love your channel so much. I really liked Dr. Becky coming in, could you possibly do that for previous episodes? Specifically the quantised inertia video?
Humans can hardly decide what they want for dinner, let alone the age of the universe.
I can sympathize with that...
@@MCsCreations Stop trying to convince me, I know you're an alien in disguise.
Time might go faster now or before as time. eg time might be a negative curvature..I dont know what im writing anyway thinking further
@@Cobbysalright But I really don't know what to order for lunch. 😕
The rate at which our stomachs expand when we eat is the Kobayashi Constant.
Henrietta Swan Leavitt. What an amazing legacy.
I never knew she was deaf, seems Annie Jump Cannon was deaf too.
@@webchimp It just so happens that I'm working on a sci-fi book right now that's set in space. There's a fictional colony on HD40307g known as the "Jump Cannon" settlement. So many noteworthy people in science and astronomy!
@@rda19 Drop back by here when it's done. Been looking for some new stuff to read.
"Only today: Two science and technology youtubers for the price of one!" Love to see this collab!
Excellent video Joe. The amount of research that you put in to the subjects you cover on your videos is admirable. I thoroughly enjoy your videos that I watch!
Joe finds the only way to improve his stellar content by adding a dash of the rather excellent Dr Becky. Her channel is fantastic if, like me, you are not a physicist but still like having your mind blown by the Universe from time to time. Her book is a most accessible and entertaining take on the subject of space as scientists understand it today. Doing a collab is a much better way of getting extra content from Dr Becky (who releases her videos every Wednesday) than my idea of trying to get an extra Wednesday in the week (perhaps instead of the ever unpopular Monday?) Thanks Joe :)
Thank you for sharing stories about the many people who contributed to the vast sea of knowledge that we not take for granted. Thank you for also giving us something positive for us to think about during this current global pandemic. 💕
Great collaboration! She is one of my favorites! Such a great educational channel. 👏🏻👏🏻
The TH-cam collab we all needed! MORE PLEASE! 😁
😍😍Nothing I love more than my two favorite TH-camrs joining forces in a video!!
Hi Dr Becky!! :)
Please do more of these collabs with other great TH-camrs! Like me ;) ❤❤
Hiii 👋
@@DrBecky Oh my god!! She waved at me!! 🤩🤩🤩
Thanks Dr Becky
I have an idea for the geometry of the universe
Why can't it be variable geometry distributed based on the masses? So it's not flat, positive or negative. But variable positive close to large masses and negative in vast areas of the void away from galaxies and superclusters. This might average out to a flat universe, with pockets of positive and negative curvatures.
I'm sure this has been considered, but ... maybe not! Let's call it the Smethurst-Scott-Salhi cosmological hypothesis as a working name for now :)
You heard it here first folks!
The SSS hypothesis, I love the sound of that!
Thank you for taking the time to entertain this thought
Oh my god 😱best collab ever. Absolutely love Dr.Becky
😂🤗👋
Oh my goodness! Becky! I was just thinking about her a minute before you introduced her. "Hey... that would be so awesome and apt to have Becky right here and now..."
Blown away.
Love the positive outlook very refreshing she has such great enthusiasm!!!!
7:11 "2.725 degree Kelvin"
Every nerd out there: *TRIGGERED*
You beat me to it!!!! EXTRA TRIGGEREEEEEED!!!
So trueeee!!! Haha. It’s okay Joe 🙂
@@createdsoul IT'S NOT OKAY!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111oneone
@@PoeRacing To be fair, most extreme of badgers, I was today years old when I learned the proper way to say Kelvin. I think. Still may be wrong.
@@proudpapaprick "2.725 Kelvin", "485 Kelvin", "0 Kelvin" etc. No degree because Kelvin IS a degree. No pluralizing 's' I suppose is just from convention. My chemistry professor in college drilled that one into me.
when your two favorite channels collide! ♥ Love Dr Becky's channel.
Love her explanation of the benefits of exploration. Too many folks fail to realize this and call it a waste.
Nice collab! Been following Dr. Becky for quite some time already!
Dr. Becky is smart. I always like to imagine and think about how extremelly smart people see the world around us and humanity.
That's exactly what smart people do ;)
Shes got a big cranium!!!
@@maximus0307 - I've watched her for some time - she has! the only thing bigger than her mind are her hand gestures :P
She's an accomplished author.
Joe, I love your videos. You manage to keep an impartial view of the most absurd and niche ideas. But what I like most is that you clearly spend a huge amount of time doing your own research. And are able to sift out the nonsense from the good knowledge. That's a rarity on the internet nowadays.
I appreciate how quickly you start your segments-- typically two seconds before you dive right in. Some other TH-cam shows go on for MINUTES before they actually get into the meat of the issue, which is rather annoying.
THANK YOU!
Um we must be watching different channels... In this video the title implies we will learn why scientists can't agree on the age of the universe. Then Joe merely shows us that scientists do in fact disagree. He never explains why at all, never grapples with his topic at all, spends several minutes of video on his own face doing fanboy daydreaming while Dr. Becky blathers on pointlessly, and then closes with an advertisement. Joe never got within a light year of the meat of the issue.
Like it that you brought Dr. Becky to your channel. I love her channel, even if many things are above my knowledge. She explains well and with a lot of humor. Can't wait for the interview.
YEEEEESSSSSSSSS two of my favorite youtubers overlap! FINALLYYY!
Did anyone else fall in love with Dr Becky when Joe went, "Oh, wow?"
Wow!! Dr. Becky is my go too for all my space inquiries. And Joe is my go too for all things sciencey.
Thank you for making these videos, they are very interesting and entertaining
Dr Becky is amazing i subed her about year ago
🤗
16:27 Missed opportunity of having Dr Becky singing Take On Me
Hey Joe, just wanted to say I'm glad you covered this, and with Dr Becky of all people, who is the first person I saw talking about this! Great video, and don't worry too much about the geometry thing, it's brain-melting as you said :-)
so great that you got Dr Becky. Love her channel!
Wow, one of my favorite TH-camrs! And I am liking your channel also, Joe.😊😅
👋👋👋
Great Scott, that is some Great work! :D
👌😜
OMG, my 2 favorite TH-cam creators in one video! This is the best day ever!
Been watching Dr Becky's channel for a bit, it's definitely worth watching chaps
"13.8 billion years!"
"Yeah, well, that's just like... your opinion..."
"man".
No one is f...in with Jesus!!!
OMG IT'S DR BECKY I LOVE HER I WATCH HER VIDEOS HOLY CRAP
I've been based in the digital world since 94 when I was required to use Lotus Notes to upload and download stuff to the main location many states away. This channel just got my first subscription I've ever given to anyone. Joe, you beat out the Mighty Jingles for this sub. That's something not a lot of people can say. Great stuff on this channel.
Hey, Joe! I finally got a notification from TH-cam that you uploaded a new video! Three hours after you uploaded and halfway through this video! Woot! I LOVE this site! Exclamation Mark!
Fyi its not “degrees Kelvin, its just Kelvin”. Yep I am that guy 🙄😬
It’s hard to be that guy.
tfw you mess up your quotation marks while correcting someone
We need more people like you
Kelvin Melvin
"uploaded 8 seconds ago"
"153 views"
*thinking*
Patreon subscribers see it before it is unlocked.
Most likely patrion supporters
Patreon and channel memberships. Though there is usually a massive surge in views when I first post so it honestly just might be that. :)
Views doesn't mean viewed until the end, it just means that people have clicked on it and started watching or maybe jumped to the comments to write "first" or "the last time I was this early blah blah blah".
I know, you wanted to be the first and you clicked on it as soon as the notification popped up but there is no first person anymore when you click on a popular channel notification unless you have a really screaming fast server connection. But it's okay, you were in the top two hundred which is pretty damn awesome. You get a gold bell sticker 🔔 hooray
Hey Joe, I love your videos! I have a suggestion. When you do interviews, you should edit them Zoom style where you focus the display entirely to the person speaking and only pan to you when you're speaking. This allows us to focus entirely on the speaker without being distracted by your facial expressions.
Thanks for coaching her to have Excellent audio.
“Welcome to the world before fairly recently” lmao
last time i came THIS early i had to sleep on the couch!
😂
Two of my favourite channels in the same video! What are the odds?? Thanks to the both of you 😍
Thank you for educade me. You are a great teacher and I have learn a lot from your videos, including English. Thank you again.
Last time I was this early, the scale of the Universe was undetermined.
Universe was a bit smaller when above comment was posted.
“It is harder to crack prejudice than an atom.”
― Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein was a plagiarist and a fraud
"It is harder to find out if this is a real quote, than just accept it and move on."
-- Me
@@airplanemxde3057 alright looney
Warren Hewlett look it up he even admitted to it
Becky is another of my subs, great you have done a link up. Great show, great guest and big like for you both! :)
Joe...you were the best thing on TH-cam when I first subscribed about four years ago...
...and somehow, you keep getting better.
You are now producing what I consider to be the most informative and professional (yeah... that's what I said...most professional) videos on TH-cam. Period.
The Best.
And ...Do you know what the street value of this mountain is?!?!?
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.”
― Charles Darwin
Damn, i'm to early to have thought of anything witty
I see what you did there!
(I'm just not sure when you did it)
Try watching the video first. You might come up with something.
* too
Mellow Yellow: Maybe spend some time learning English?
Joe, I love the variety of topics you cover!
Thanks Joe!! I've been subscribed to Dr. Becky for a few years now!!
Domari Nolo
PA III
"Computers were people"... Watch a Kevin Costner film, Hidden Figures. Wonderful movie! (based on REAL people)
Hidden Figures is not a Kevin Costner film, he is playing a supporting role. The protagonists are played by Taraji P. Henson, Octavia Spencer (Oscar nominee for this film) and Janelle Monáe.
@@Zenedoboz Maris Lee everybody recognizes the name Kevin Costner... I would be willing to bet that the other actors / actresses are not very well-known.
@@johnimusic12 Isn't that "Kelvin" Costner?
The big bang: I always thought it was just when God told Mrs God he was feeling sexy...
Don't you mean when God told Mr God *she* was feeling sexy?
@@rogerstarkey5390 don't you mean god told god of unspecified gender *they* were feeling sexy?
@@Cobbysalright W H A T
I S H A P P E N I N G
@@stealthemoon8899 I D O N T K N O W A N Y M O R E
Or God just took a mean shit
I love that my worlds are colliding. Much love to Dr. Becky, and to Joe!
Joe is so bingeable. Been subscribed since horn toads. Watched almost all of his videos from the past year. Also 3hr live streams and Joe scott tmi. Amazing stuff my guy. Greetings from Canada
It's mad when the channels you're subscribed to do an Avengers assemble
😂 I never thought of it like that!
@@DrBecky eyyy
Me being a mega nerd immediately remembered this story told by Neil degrasse Tyson in his cosmos series…
I love Scientists but for some reason Degresse Tyson is so annoying ...
@@fraserwyllie8840 joe rogan 😂
I like him but wish he'd stop ruining movies... I don't need to know that the Enterprise couldn't have warped to another system in such a short amount of time when there are freaking aliens on the show
In love with your guest, she is fantastic. Need to learn more from her, great attitude and expressions!
I love you. I hope you get a mil subs by the end of the year. I always look forward to your videos thanks joe.
That’s because nobody actually knows....
Yeah thats a very real possibility..I like to read up on the advancements in science and astronomy and while we have come quite a long way in the understanding of the universe, I think we have not even scratched the surface and future discoveries and theories may over turn our current models and take us in completely new directions
Thumbs up for releasing the entire interview!
How do you know you've been watching TH-cam obsessively? When videos from your favourite TH-camrs pop-up minutes/single-digit hours after they post.
I do like being here early! Doesn't matter to anyone else but I'm excited! 😍
I actually found Dr. Becky a couple months ago when she popped up recommended from me watching your vids. I find her mesmerizing to watch. She's an attractive woman obviously. But, two things just jump off the video for you. 1. Her obvious intelligence and 2. Her passion for her field. Watching her just makes me want to know her more AND want to know what she finds worth talking about in general. Frankly, that's part of why I like your vids too. You seem excited to learn about and talk about these things as I have also for a very long time. Of course, I'm not even in the same atmosphere as Dr. Becky. But, it's fun to try and comprehend what she knows.
hey Joe! your audio sounds much better in this episode!! the background hiss is a lot less pronounced, but there is still some amount hiss on your mic immediately after each of your words. it’s most likely caused by the airflow in your filming room, but can be easily removed with a reference audio sample in software like Audacity or Premiere Pro
Hay man love your show keep doing what you are doing was in a bad mode but the bongo intro always makes me happy 😁
Another great video...also love it when you open the door to another great science youtuber. I'm like 🥳 more hours of great videos.
Joe. Please do a video on the concept of a geometry to the universe. I recall a recent article somewhere that suggests structures in universe are following a set geometry (like north/south or East/west). Etc.
I learn so much from your videos, thank you
I think this is my favorite video of yours to date!
What a surprising, but equally brilliant combination!
Dr. Becky is wonderful for everything space. Bring her in again. I also wonder if the Hubble rate has any effect on the quenching of star formation.