This is my favorite definition: Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal. A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Margaret Mead’s summary: helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts.
Fun fact: the only source for this anecdote is from a creationist, and in the original telling she (supposedly) refers to "savage societies" rather than "the animal kingdom".
There's a probable reason why so many cultures have flood myths. Floods fall into a sort of Goldilocks zone when it comes to disasters. Unlike volcanoes and earthquakes, they are relatively common. They are more common than plagues (present situation notwithstanding) and they leave enough survivors to pass on tales to the next generation. Yet they cause enough hardship to leave significant trauma behind. Unlike fires, they cannot be fought or controlled too easily. To ancient people, floods must have been the most terrifying common disaster they'd encounter in their lifetimes. Let's not forget that their cosmologies were different from ours -- deep waters like seas were usually the limits of their world and smacked strongly of the unknown ("Here be monsters"). Enough people would have been familiar with floods for cultures to frame myths and stories around them. Not very different from how we have so many stories of nuclear armageddon in the 60s and 70s when the cold war was at its height and nuclear arms race rampant. For many cultures, floods must have been like their ultimate armageddon.
Also, let's not forget that all civilizations started near bodies of water and often built up near and around them, which explains why floods were so common, consequential and deadly.
I think the idea of a future human civilisation discovering Mount Rushmore and how they'd interpret it is a fascinating one. Makes you think about whether we've misinterpreted discoveries of ancient civilisations or even just historical artefacts. Who's to say we got it all right? We probably haven't, we can only assume. It's an interesting idea.
As an archaeologist, we joke about it all the time. Especially when something is labelled a “ritual object”. We’re well aware, and a lot of the time debating it.
@@StefanieReamer I remember when I learned about archaeology in middle school the first thing we did was read a description some future archaeologist would've written describing the toilet as a ritual object of extreme religious importance.. "a shrine of durable, expensive porcelain in the center of every home"
Stone henge road under Lake Michigan, pyramids under rock lake Wisconsin, mostly buried pyramid under aztalan park Wisconsin, Pueblo giant pyramid mostly below grade , Mexico city built on giant mostly below grade pyramid, bronze chariot wheels from Moses crossing contain copper that could only have been mined in the upper peninsula of Michigan, pacific coast mountains are all sand & gravel like a giant sand castle left on the beach coming down a bit in every significant rainfall (cant be 4bill yrs old) , sediments from 4k years ago surround dinosaurs (beasts) , oldest ruins known in ireland were completely covered in the same age sediments as dinosaurs , pyramids … every tribe & civilization has an account of the world flood. The world slows down at a rate of approximately 3/4 second per year , it hasn’t sped up , but slows down less at times due to an elliptical orbit , proven by : Coriolis effect, whirlpools, long range bullets ,rattle back, atomic clock , leap seconds, entropy…. Maybe there was some recycling of mass , but the world as we know it , cant be much over 6 to 7 thousand years old , it would rattle hard and stop spinning long before 4bill years . At 3/4 sec of rotation loss per year = 4.3 billion years ago an entire day would be 1sec long . The owners manual makes more sense than darwin . scientists keep proving the owners manual true . “Sleeping with whoreish women will pierce your liver like a dart” (still true hepatitis) great guess for 6k years ago . “Build your house of stone and mortar , so that mold , rust , and fire do not consume it” (still true) great guess from 6k years ago . “Do not move your neighbors landmark” (amazing how many people still trying to do that) . “strong drink is only for the dying , it is anger & deceit” . Wine is only for those whose who have lose everything, that they may forget their sorrows for a moment” . “Drink can cause you(in a position of authority) to pervert the judgment of the afflicted” (bosses , parents, teachers, politicians, cops , judges , lawyers). That owners manual is amazing. PS ORIGINALLY THE TERM WINE OR NEW WINE referred to juice , what is considered “wine” today is actually “old wine” or “enhanced wine” . “They gathered and stomped the harvest grapes , and drank the fruit of their labor the same day” (it was juice) . So many warnings (both visible & invisible side-effects) for alcohol are throughout the bible , still true today. Most of Jesus’s revelations came true ,2000 year predictions, (great guesses) : “one world money” (world central bank system , different faces,same money) . “All will see him” internet media , “in those days they will lose their love , as it was in the days of Noah” (great guess) , “earth quakes in divers places” “the red heifer will return to the promise land “(A2 protein milk is non corrupted) …. Good talk
The age of elves has long since passed, only a few of us remain, and even then only in hidden places long forgotten. There is still Internet access though.
@nonya business I am born of those Avari among the Wood-elves who chose to live many an age in the land of the former Mirkwood. Though most have now departed, faded into wraiths and haunts, or else departed across beyond the bending sea, I and a few of mine kin have discovered a passage to the Faewild. By occasionally flickering in between, we are able to refresh our physical forms, but not without risk of encountering nameless things.
“And on the pedestal, these words appear: My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.” Gotta love Shelley
Thanks for that Im now going to look up Shelley , but thanks to You I will remember that.. an this is the 2nd time this week Ah just went 66 on your likes an a few days ago I went 666 else where..Hmmm?..but I did luv your comment..
@@CrazyFunnyCats When T-Rex came on the scene, Stegosaurus was already about 86 million years dead and extinct. But for Humans, T-Rex itself is only about 66 million years extinct. It's wild to think about.
This is actually a great perspective to be aware of. As a side note I have always wondered if the tectonic plates would eventually (over enough time) have completely changed their original surface - meaning everything that was once on the earth would end up being recycled within it leaving no trace of what there was.
I remember learning about how the plates shift and that being something I asked myself, if the plate that doesn't "win" I guess and ends up getting crushed under another one, if it gets pushed down far enough to get heated and melt into the deeper layers of the earth.
Yes. For example the canadian shield contains the oldest rocks reaching back 4 billion years. Everything else is lost to us. But the time of earth is limited so it can't repeat any number of times.
No trace in 10k years? Pfft, you have no clue. Who is going to fill in all the massive open pit mines all over the damn world? Do you know anything of metallurgy or ceramics? We are making alloys that can withstand re-entry. We have geosynchronous satellites that will still be in orbit in 10k years. So just staaaaaahp it already, Kemosabe.
Humans: build all their first cities on fertile floodplains that get wiped out in flash floods every few decades Also humans: "Why were our ancestors obsessed with floods?!"
The most expensive and coveted land today are the beach front property along coasts. They get hit with hurricanes and it is theorized that they will be lost due to global warming and rising ocean waters over the next few decades. Today: Billionaires fight for houses on the coastline which only go up in value.
One of my favorite Star Trek Voyager episodes is called 'Distant Origin'. On their way home to Earth, the Voyager crew is surreptitiously boarded by researchers belonging to a species of reptilian looking people (The Voth) who are more advanced than human beings. It is discovered that their DNA is similar to humans leading them to theorize that the Voth originated on Earth as an advanced sentient species of dinosaur then populated space millions of years ago, eventually losing track of their planet of origin somehow. The idea is later rejected by the political elite of the Voth as it greatly contradicts religious doctrine. The researchers are punished for publishing their findings and have to retract their statements as part of that punishment. It's a delightfully absurd yet profound 'thought experiment'.
I doubt it we are about to become interplanetary, in a few million years we are sure to have moved to other solar systems so I think it would be quite hard to go extinct
@@verify6329 WE are not about to become interplanetary not even close. Perhaps like 0.1% of us are but you realize you and I cant afford those tickets.... the space race is literally an escape plan for people with so much money...they'd have to have raped our planets resources to achieve it....and they did.
Oh, cool - another faux TH-cam dialog. Y' know, if you ever tire of being derivative and tiresome, you might try a direct declarative statement of your thoughts. People would be more likely to take you seriously.
@@OslerWannabe you know every video he ever makes is one of the best so maybe you should shut your blabber keyboard mouth that is all...... I got you Joe my boxing gloves are on and it's his mama not yours this time🤣
The interesting thing about the models discussed here is that they leave plenty of room for pre-industrial civilizations to rise and fall without trace.
@@timhallas4275 Complete? you may want to check that. Along with how much we know about the very earliest civilizations (besides evolution and civilization are different things). Or even just watch the video again and pay attention to what Joe says about erosion. And then there's what we can define as a "city" when it comes to bronze-age technology or earlier. Then it gets really fun if we consider pre-hominid species that may have reached, say stone age or "bamboo-age" technology. As Joe says, even a few million years back would completely erase any trace.
@@DanJMW We have 5, 7, 10, 30, even 300 million year old fossils. YES, we know there were no advanced civilizations before the end of the last glaciation period. We have detailed records of the oldest civilizations, and none of them were more than 10,000 years ago.
@@jasonross9212 Actually, no! We really need to sort out all the carbon emissions because you can't self-isolate your way out of cataclysmic climate change.
I've always had issues with this huge assumption that progress is some sort of linear graph that heads upwards over time. What if it was a lot more "bumpy"? Good video, well explained and suitably caveated throughout! ...but it was Aliens right?
Too be fair, defining time is becoming somewhat more tricky as we get better at it, or lack thereof. Apparently we are revising a ton of assumptions on geologic time because the radio carbon dating thing isn't working out all that well.
Progress is not linear nor assured. For example, our Justice system went backwards on accommodating the mental ill when it comes to crime thanks to the Conservative political action after John Hinckley's insanity defense put him in a mental institution instead of prison for the attempted murder of President Reagan. That is just but one example. Our advanced civilization can be taken down by a solar event aimed right at Earth, frying out 98% of the electronic equipment we have here on Earth and much of what we have in space. Called the Carrington effect, first documented in 1859, it destroyed and altered telegraph systems worldwide. Or taken down by a lost Russian bomber accidently bombing Poland and starting World War 3. Either will plunge us into a new dark age. Or an election of a dictator in America that trashed the Constitution, destroying the decades of progress in making Democratic principles real in America in a matter of days. Progress can be rolled back or shattered at any point.
Could you do a video on the number of rivers around the world that have dried up? Even the Euphrates and the Mississippi Rivers have dried significantly. China has 66 majors rivers that have dried up. Shanghai, a massive city, is having power issues because of the lack of hydroelectric power levels dropping off. Kinda scary😬
Consider the fact that Homo Erectus developed a stone tool, the triangular double-edged handaxe, which was a wonderful complex tool, great for all kinds of chopping tasks, and they made it the same way with no innovation, for 1M years. These are people who mastered fire, and left Africa to spread around the globe - never changed the design of the handaxe. To us it is astonishing that a fundamental technology could be static that long, but it was.
Taking your thought further: Homo sapiens discovered metallurgy within around 300,000 years. This indicates to me that Homo erectus was simply not intelligent nor innovative enough to develop civilization. Smart though, by all evolutionary precedents up to that time. REALLY smart. But still: Not smart enough. And consider the fact that it took OUR species 300,000 years to discover metallurgy. So: How smart are WE, really? Well, okay, you can't go from ignorance to knowledge without a lot of serendipity and lucky accidents. To be fair. Sitll, tho: Why were our ancestors not examining their environment with more curiosity and intentional inventiveness? Well, there are always more questions than answers. And as @Narwahl Gaming astutely observed: If it ain't broke...
@@richardreinertson1335 there’s no such thing as a lucky accident or a coincidence it is simply just your perception of these events that has led you to believe that. Are WE smart? No. Are SOME people more than smart? Absofuckinglutely. Throughout history a small group of people have made inventions and dragged the rest of us almost literally kicking and screaming into innovation. Humans in general and en masse are a susperstitious backward lot.
The Doctor once complained that the Silurians had, in fact, been named after the wrong era. They should have been called the Eocenes. Coincidence? Yes. Also, we’re one singing frog in a time capsule from proving today’s hypothesis. Call back!
Yes, Silurians existed. I saw it on the show, "Land of the Lost" when I was a child every Saturday morning. They couldn't and wouldn't lie to CHILDREN!
To anyone vaguely interested in anthropology, I HIGHLY recommend the book Sapiens. You’ll look more sceptically at the statement “and you were born here! Look how lucky you are!” To put it shortly, we weren’t made for the way we made ourselves live. Prehistoric humans didn’t quite live in the hellscape we imagine, even if it was far less comfortable. We strive for convenience and comfort, thinking it brings us happiness. Things are more complicated than that. In fact, is brings us problems. Some we know of, some we never even think about. We also can’t go back on any inventions with negative consequences, and we’re advancing faster than we or the earth can adapt to. Also, crops domesticated us more than we domesticated them, even if it was our idea (hard to explain, that one). So basically, those people who first started doing agriculture, they opened Pandora’s Box, and we can never go back. Again, I recommend the book, especially if you think I’m going insane.
I don’t like when people act like tribes had no idea what they were doing. Humans can have more leisure time then a lot of other species. We weren’t constantly scrambling to gather and hunt nonstop in “survival mode”. I’ll have to checkout that book. Thanks for your comment.
@@Greg__K Glad I could recommend it to someone else who might like it. It’s totally true by the way. It’s that typical mentality of “people in the past didn’t know what I know, so they were dumb.” Whilst people in the past knew a ton of stuff that we don’t know that we don’t know, things that might be less useful to us now, or maybe stuff that we just forgot to care about over the generations. Stuff like inner peace, because it’s kinda us that live closest to a constant state of survival.
This realization bothers me deeply and makes me want to start a campaign to have better faces put up. The future civilizations may not know they are gazing on the face of slavers and war pigs; but I would prefer they not know they are gazing on the faces of truely great minds.
@@carpdog42 man I would hate to take you on a vacation to Europe. "Look at these cool Roman statues!" "Oh you mean the statues of slavers and war pigs? Wish the ancients could have left us better people to look at."
given Penrose's CCC, there may be infinite big bangs going back and forward in time and each of us has occurred an infinite number of times going forwards and backwards in time
This thing all things devours: Birds, beasts, trees, flowers; Gnaws iron, bites steel; Grinds hard stones to meal; Slays king, ruins town, And beats high mountain down.
@@7R15M3G1 Yeh? and how many people use that word every day? Very few. Most people will have to Google it to find out its meaning. Why do ppl like OP like to send others on goose chases?
JMG had Jason Wright on Event Horizon last week and they discussed this same topic. My favorite takeaway from it was the idea that we could discover a prior technological species by recovering their derelict space probes just outside the solar system.
''just outside the solar system'' We didn't even have clear pictures of pluto until a few years ago.(which is like a million billion times more massive than a tiny space probe) Now mutiply the distance the voyager probes have travelt times a few hundred/thousand years and good luck finding that thing in an undefined sphere around the solar system
@@rsdna9698 Not quite "forever": solar wind plus gamma rays and Xrays will slowly erode these things until all that remains of them in a few hundred thousand years are blackened pieces of metal which just barely resemble their original selves. After a few million years, they will be almost undistinguishable from a natural meteorite. Same will happen to Elon's Tesla.
@@1MarkKeller I know you're quoting Planet of the Apes th-cam.com/video/sPbjPOgRtyA/w-d-xo.html but, I've always thought when seeing this scene, "eh, kinda late for that".
Still left the giant statue. And all the stuff in the apes' archaeological dig. Dr. Zaius knew about it the whole time, there was a conspiracy to cover it up.
I actually subscribe to the notion that civilization is considerably longer than we presume and that there could have been prior advanced civilizations that were wiped out by geologic catastrophes like the comet hitting Greenland.
If you're talking about the impact that may have wiped-out the Clovis culture, it would seem it hit central North America. Unrelated, but check out Goblecki Tepe!
@@anthonysaunders345 Not just North America, the evidence suggest a world wide catastrophe of epic proportions. Some knowledge was clearly maintained in the brief aftermath, but all technology was clearly lost. They went for fine cuts and positioned megaliths, back to stacking stones.
The only problem is that there is no solid evidence yet... YES, advanced civilizations could have existed before ours started to develop after the Younger Dryas - but we really don't have any convincing evidence yet.
It's a Wonderful fairytale isn't it and I subscribed to that ideology from about 5 which is when I read my first hardcover history books tell about 25 I can now as an adult appreciate the fact that we have all sorts of evidence evidence tiny evidence poop evidence shoe evidence every kind of evidence you could have for humans progression it's not very entertaining it is very slow moving but they have evidence for it,, but if solid archaeological evidence isn't enough for you look up animal domestication crop domestication and dispersal throughout the world and human genetics because any civilization that was everywhere would have mixed them things things up a long long long long long time ago but there is zero evidence of that and any little mixing are easily seen in the DNA and in the fossil record
The problem with the Seuss effect is that the assumption is that the way we use/create energy is the same as civilizations of the past. There is so much technology that has been lost and we have no idea how certain things happened.
The ancient civilization in question are called The Voth and they're currently located in the Delta Quadrant. According to the Doctor on Star Trek Voyager.
I make a large and conscious effort to try to see things through other people's viewpoints. I rarely come to accept that point of view but it often leads to amend my own.
Thank you, you have inspired a science curiosity in my I haven't felt since I was a child! Truly, thank you. I have officially started my blog. Here's to another year where we knew more than we did last year!
"Rome wasn't built in a day, in fact it took hundreds of years to steal all those ideas from the greeks." -Joe This is my new favorite quote. I'm gonna use it forever now.
Don't forget the Carthaginians from whom the romans took a western mediterranean empire.as well as agricultural, commercial and naval technology and science. th-cam.com/video/E6kI9sCEDvY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/0DnXV6R0nh0/w-d-xo.html
It could be that flood myths are so widespread because most advanced agricultural human civilizations formed near rivers, lakes, and seas as opposed to drier inland areas. Once you are close to shore, events like tsunamis or storms could really affect you, and then those small localized floods inspire myth and legend worldwide.
Australian aboriginals have flood, volcano and mega fauna stories orally handed down for thounds of years. Academics have dated the oldest of these stories to the end of the last ice age when huge tracts of the Australian continental shelf were submerged under the rising sea levels. It shows that oral histories based upon observed events can survive for at least 10 thousand years (and possibly longer). The flood stories first written down by bronze age middle eastern peoples are probably based on older orally passed on stories.
Yeah, the use of the word "starve" is silly in modern times (in developed countries). "Ohmahgaah, i haven't eaten in 4 hours, i'm starving".. I wonder how quickly our species would die out if all the people who say those kinds of things with sincerity were thrust into the hunter-gatherer period of our past. Oh, you want food? Go chase that deer that runs ~48km/h for food..
more like "OH MY GOD I'M GOING TO DIE ITS SO COLD I'M GOING TO DIE I'M GOING TO DIE I'M SO HUNGRohlookagiganticbearDIE MOTHERFUCKER! DADDY NEEDS SOME BBQ"
I've always loved this thought experiment. My thought is that it depends on your definition of "advanced." For example small city states could be considered advanced. In a 300,000 year timescale we could of had several civilizations as advanced as say the ancient Greeks or the Aztecs without ever finding evidence in the fossil record. I would say that the chances are at least plausible that humans formed some kind of settlements that engaged in trade with each other long before we thought they did. Gobekli Tepe was built 11,000 years ago and that was pretty advanced for simple hunter gatherers. Either way the answer is definitely not aliens lol. Humans are highly intelligent and extremely violent. We could have easily wiped ourselves out several times over without leaving a trace long before discovering hydrocarbons and plastic.
i very much agree with your thought on what is meant by advanced. Many years ago, school friends and I walked along a concrete cricket pitch and speculated what the future would make of this length of concrete away from other buildings - a short runway? Surely not sporting equipment. There are examples from the ancient world all over which we think was their purpose. Egyptians, it was found using clay, grape juice and a few metals used in the period could achieve rudimentary electroplating - like gold electroplating. Meaning that what was thought to be solid gold pieces in fact weren't in many cases. But without context and written history so different and incomplete to our understanding, we are left to speculate. And the fact is that throughout modern history, we are known to be wrong on many things and regard the now as being superior than what was before.
I was wondering about the use of fossil fuels being the criteria for an "advanced civilisation" existing. Wind and water power have been used for nearly 2,000 years. If some pre-human civilisation used that to power their cities, their carbon footprint might be minimal.
And now we have nukes, so even plastics wont survive in the blast zones. All that will be left in a few million years is a thin radioactive sediment line, dozens of meters beneath the earth.
I agree with you until "Humans are highly intelligent and extremely violent". Humans are LESS violent than a lot of other species on this planet - as you point out, we COULD HAVE wiped ourselves out several times over, but haven't - and for all we know, as far as intelligent global species go, we could be one of the least violent. I've always thought it would be interesting and terrifying if we go out in to space, discover intelligent species, and Humanity became the "diplomatic species" to mediate disputes between all the others because we turn out to be the LEAST violent spacefaring species, lol
The Silurians in Doctor Who were so named because the human character who discovered them wrongly labelled the era he thought they lived in. The Doctor later reflects in a 1973 story that they should have been called "Eocenes" which is indeed the era of the thermal maximum. The Silurians show us a sculpture of their globe as having a Pangaea landmass and that hasn't existed for 175 million years. So god only knows when they're supposed to be from?! As a species the "Silurians" and their aquatic "Sea Devil" cousins were obsessively eco-conscious. They built their whole civilisation around a concept of harmony with nature. Their technology took on a grown, organic appearance, and they went out of their way not to damage the ecosystem. They were also big on using solar and geothermal energy sources. That would probably have worked to minimise their environmental footprint. However in real life it's almost inconceivable any intelligent civilisation could develop so cleanly. The Silurians were invented for a 1969 story of Doctor Who when the real world Earth Sciences were rather more primitive than they are today. The Silurians supposedly went into their hibernation chambers because they thought a wandering planetoid passing the Earth would severely disrupt the atmosphere. Instead that planetoid was captured into Earth orbit and became the Moon. Today that's a ludicrous tale, but in the 60s that was still a valid hypothesis for the origins of the Moon. It took the Apollo mission and the return of lunar samples to understand the shared origins of the Earth-Moon system. Despite the woeful mess of misunderstood science in the creation of the Silurians, what still bugs me most of all is that in newer Doctor Who stories, the reptilian Silurians are depicted as having boobs. What the actual &%£!? Someone clearly doesn't know what the word "mammal" means!!
The original Silurians were awesome. I think they could have maintained that in the revived series just by keeping those masks rather than showing they had overly human faces. If anything they become _too_ easy to relate to which I feel undermines the message of the story that relating to something very different from ourselves is challenging. I'm okay with them having sexual dimorphism however - we technical never see 'boobs' on those thoroughly dressed creatures - and the notion they segregate into warrior and civilian authority groups was interesting. But I should try and get back to the topic of the video. Would a reptilian race be more likely to go for renewable resources than we have? Maybe if you are cold-blooded and recognize the value of sunning yourself on a rock then you would have a greater sense that the Sun provides power. Or is burning stuff just initially too convenient a thing to do?
@ShaunDoesMusic both neat and bleak. :) I guess if the Silurians had in fact been from the Silurian period then definitely they would have lacked fossil fuels. But like you I cannot say how long it takes for such deposits to develop - would they have been useful by the Mesozoic? All this is definitely fun to think about.
"Unlike you people, I have no illusion as to my usefulness in an actual apocalypse, and believe me, death holds no fear in a world without cappuccinos. No, the most I can hope for is to die in a pose that confuses future archaeologists." - Yahtzee Croshaw
I find the averred preference for death before a de-cappuccino'd existence frivolous in the extreme, but the hoped for pose in death an inspirational suggestion of pure genius .. some special equipage carried at all times against the possibility of adequate notice of ones death to allow deployment may be required to make best use of the idea :)
When I was a lot younger, I played Half-Life 2 for the first time and was just messing around in the starting level while listening to Dr. Breen give his whole speech about how humanity willingly subjugating themselves to their alien overlords was a good thing, and at one point he says: "Are all the accomplishments of humanity fated to be nothing more than a layer of broken plastic shards thinley strewn across a fossil bed, sandwiched between the Burgess shale and an eon's worth of mud?" The moment he said this line I got goosebumps, it always stuck with me because of its implications, it's a rhetorical question that we all know the answer to. The Earth will greatly outlive us and anything we have built will eventually be lost to time, and if something ever did uncover our remains, all they'd find is some plastic, our legacy for the ages.
Considering how much plastic is and will be around as a potential energy source, given enough time I’m 100% sure that bacteria and/or fungus will evolve to eat it, so not much of it will be left after humans are gone.
There have been new studies recently that point towards a flood at around 12,000 BC, due to a meteorite hit in Greenland. I think they found the crate very recently. Maybe a good topic to touch on…
Younger Dryas. It’s a scientific fact there was a global flood 12,000 years ago. It is also fact that every culture around the world has a creation story involving beings from the sky saving them from a flood. Make of that what you will. BTW Turkey government officially acknowledges Noah’s Ark has been found in their mountains.
@@Byronic19134 A global flood is physically impossible given the Earths topography in relation to its total quantity of water. According to the bible the water level was several meters above the highest point of land, which would have asphyxiated and frozen to death anything on Noah’s Arc. Also considering the immense number of different species, from radically different ecosystems, and predators who would necessarily have to eat other animals on the boat, the fact that anyone could take such a story for historical fact is insanity. There’s nothing wrong with believing in God but people need to stop acting like these stories aren’t fictitious
@@Fusso alongside Publius Ovidius Naso, who wrote in the very last paragraph of "Metamorphoses": " And so I conclude my work, that neither fire nor sword nor Jupiter himself can destroy, [...] and if there is anything to the prophecies, will be read by people throughout all the centuries" And you read that, and think " Whoa, whoa, whoa, that´s a pretty bold claim, mate!"...until you realize you are sitting in a classroom in the year 1997.....*gulp* that was kinda scary.
Forgotten by archaeological methods and the like, yeah. But the universe is a giant quantum computer, recording everything, including every firing of every synapse in every brain--and which can be played back, but only watched.
I thought they already found the atlantis city on land, not under water. Like most things, it was hyped. But I guess it was the kool place back in the day.
@@duyle-ej6ty Atlantis might be exactly where Solon said it was…there’s a landmass right where they say it was…that’s coinciding with the dates of the younger dryas and is now underwater at exactly the depths it would need be to have been an island 12600 yrs ago…which again coincides with the dates Plato gave in his Atlantis report
@@duyle-ej6ty Atlantis appears to have been in what is now the Sahara Desert, centered on Mt. Tahat in southern Algeria. The Atlantes were a group on the island of Cerne off of what was until recently the Rio del Oro, currently under Moroccan occupation. The Atlantes were conquered by the African Amazons, and the historical part of Plato's tale appears to refer to the Amazon Empire. "Atlantis" fell when it stopped raining and the weather systems shifted into Ethiopia, leading to the Nile flood (the Flood of Deucalion or Noah's flood). This was in 2949±2 BC. The Sahara region first became fertile _circa_ 7450 BC. neros.lordbalto.com/ChapterEight.htm neros.lordbalto.com/ChapterTen.htm
@@stefanfrankel8157 Um... close. But I thought atlantis would be close to the sea. So it couldn't be south of algeria. Well, they are hypothesizing that West of Mauritania is the location of 3 ring atlantis city.
I’m expecting Graham Hancock to kick his way through the wall and tear a hole in the shelves behind you at some point. If he doesn’t, I’ll be very upset.
This was a great episode Joe. You should consider doing more thought experiment vids. Especially history related. Haven't been that engrossed in a vid in a while. Great work! 👍
"When that fictional, future archeologist finds that layer, will he wonder what happened to us, or will it be obvious." One of the most powerful lines I've ever heard
Future archeologists will still probably be us - humans. We're less than 300 years away from becoming a multi-planet civilization. Once we achieve that first step, the second planet (or body), as a civilization we will be almost immortal - save the end of universe itself. With the second planet the probability of one event wiping us out is negligible.
@@SuperLusername 300 years into the future we will probably have learned to clone living organisms, so colonizing other planets and preserving the future of humanity will be incredibly easy, however that is 300 years from now. Humans right now are like babies driving cars. We have no idea what these buttons do or how they work, and we cant even reach the gas pedals much less control the steering wheel. Humans can pretty easily wipe themselves out before we even have another chance to colonize other planets.
@@SuperLusername It will still take about 26 000 years to reach the very next star system, and we are nowhere near sure we can actually settle there....Space might be too big for interstellar colonization. Reaching the average next star system in meaningful numbers (from a genetic point of view, you should settle for a couple hundred individuals to ensure sufficient diversity) might actually require more ressources than an average star system can provide. Yeah, I am fun at parties.
@@KCJbomberFTW they did actually... and there have been altercations between underground alien species and military. Not my opinion, thats what I've heard from 1st person accounts of ex gov employees that were "on site" during such events. I recommend checking out LMH's Earth Files... She's an investigative journalist of 4+ decades, who interviews gov and military sources on weird stuff. She was the original reporter who popled the lid on the cattle mutations decades ago.
Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted --- Sun Tzu
Shout out to the aboriginal folks in Australia, whose stories stretch back some 60,000 years (several of which have been scientifically confirmed through geology). Super cool to have a continuous oral tradition that old.
this was one of the best ever! You are such a good presenter: factual, entertaining, and educational. I loved the topic and the way you factually cover the timeline, the evidence available and at the same time question everything. You are the best. Keep it up.
Everything we associate with civilization gets recycled very rapidly (geologically speaking). Watch how fast it begins th-cam.com/video/mQgdZTgpczM/w-d-xo.html . There is no evidence that man's existence on Earth began recently. Read books by Michael Cremo for comprehensive documented evidences. Man's been here over 300 million years.
If you want to get technical about it, they always ask, "*Could there have been* an advanced blah blah blah?" So when the theorists say yes, they are just saying that it *could* have happened, not that they actually believe it.
3.9 billion years ago my ancestors were a bacterial film on the ancient ocean. That has been an unbroken line of decent that has survived every mass extinction.
@Daddy1724 No. All those who spread tall tales, such as disbelief in God, are the evil fairy tales - like the troll who snatches people who walk over the bridge. Those snatched can only be released when they remember something that is true in love in their hearts. The truest love in the heart is from God who completely fills the heart with love He gives freely. It is our free will that recognizes and accepts the love God freely gives us all. A funny thing happens to those who recognize that love - they are never afraid of the evil troll because God is peace amidst fear which means there is no fear. The evil troll cannot live within the unity of love - the evil that stands alone can only try to trap people with lies. The love of God in our hearts destroys all evil. Where is love, in your comment?
Man im glad the youtube algorythm put this channel in my recommended today, i subscribed after watching the first video. Really interesting topics, a great way of explaining them and the cherry on top is this guy humor sense.
My grandmother's old cast iron skillet was about the only thing to survive when her house burned down in the 70's. It had to be re-seasoned but it's still going strong today. Surface like glass, eggs slide right off of it
I loved that you broke down the time lines so well! Especially when you were talking about Plato! I knew he wrote it hundred of years later but not that far!
Ask the Greeks... Their gearing systems were far, far more advanced than those of the 18th century. They had the worlds first computers, (Antikythera mechanism) vending machines, steam engines, automations, (Heron of Alexandria) railways... (Only one that we know of, used to pull ships over a land bridge). In many ways we already know this as a fact. Then the Romans came along.
@@herdenq That assumption does not have to be made. Industrialization pools resources in large enough batches in places that do not naturally form those resources revealing relatively advanced civilizations. Most everything else will break down after ~30,000 years, leaving not very much of anything but raw material. Unusual pooling of those materials in unnatural places would be the evidence. The order of discovery isn't necessary although it generally builds on prefor discovery but the order of application of a discovery generally is. We couldn't split the atom before harnessing fossil fuels for instance.
I find it interesting that the end of the younger dryas event, when temperatures rose and glaciers started melting, happened about the time Atlantis is said to have been lost in a flood. I don't know that I buy into this theory (not my theory, I'm not that smart), but I do find it interesting.
Me too man. I think it would change a lot Of what we know about civilization. I want to believe it’s real so much but there just isn’t concrete evidence.
Let's all try to get Joe to cover the Younger Dryas. It is a very interesting thing that we know happened in in modern/definitely anatomically current human times
There was an impact crater found in 2018 that roughly dates to the Younger Dryas period. Don't think it wiped out any lost advanced civilization but an impact of this size would have destroyed any coastal inhabitants and endanger many species.
"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero" -Narrorator, Fight Club Was my senior yearbook quote. Class of 2001. Damn, I feel so old now.
One problem with carbon emission to measure advancement, is that the less population might not ever emit as much on the first place! All in all, great talk! Very thought provoking!
I gotta tell you…I can’t imagine how much work goes into creating this video. It has to take an enormous amount of time to study each species existence and learn enough about them to actually put it into a coherent sentence, let alone paragraph. Then to do it for all the different species, eras, fossils, what kind of dirt, sediment, etc. - the list here is endless. Then to make an impressive video explaining it to us probably above average people (I don’t see this topic as something the average person would “trend” on Twitter, so we must be asking good questions to find this) and to truly impress us all…I’m in awe. Great job, sir.
History is being rewritten and some facts in this video are incomplete and wrong. There is a lot of evidence found around ancient archeological sites but mainstream archeologists from different reasons don’t accept them. The world reseted at the end of the Younger Dryas in a period of time spending from 12800 to 11600 years before the present. So the civilizations Before the Flood were whipped out at the same time with the megafauna. Look At Göbekli Tepe
@@cozmamihai8665 1) Links on archeoligical articles / dissertations / reports about these evidence? 2) Fact that modern humans lived before last ice age is obvious since oldest homo sapiens remains we know are dated back to ~315'000, but it doesn't mean that there was civilization or something; 3) We already agreed what is civilization and what isn't. Megalithic structures like Gobekli Tepe with all that complicated carvings and obious need in some sort of organization are rather final steps to start a civilization then evidence of some unknown older civilizations in human history. P.S. Megafauna is still there, if we talking about general meaning of this term. Elephants, big cats and even humans are parts of megafauna.
He kinda blew right by these. As fact the younger- dryas is iffy, but compelling. But there's no ignoring gobekli tepe( sure i butchered that). It seems kinda self centered to assume we were 1st
@@adamwest8711 a crater was identified in greenland because of a melting glacier. ice core samples were taken and a time-line was figured out to date the impact to correlate to the younger dryus period. Gobekli tepe is an ancient religious site that was completely covered and had/has to be excavated, and it points to a massive event (kind of like a meteor impact) that moved a lot of sediment and buried a bunch of sites in Africa and the middle east.
@@SO-ei1qv 42 is the answer but to know the question you are going to have to build a world sized computer. At least the is what The Hitch Hikers guide to the Univers says. Oh and Don't Panic it says it on the cover.
On your comments, regarding what would be found in the future. When you said Mt Rushmore, I was also thinking about the seed and oreo "vaults" that are claimed to be build into mountains. Generally speaking wouldn't other human structures built into stone or cave systems likely survive in some capacity? Albeit maybe weathered.
This is my favorite definition:
Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture.
Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed.
Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal.
A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery.
Margaret Mead’s summary: helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts.
Fun fact: the only source for this anecdote is from a creationist, and in the original telling she (supposedly) refers to "savage societies" rather than "the animal kingdom".
I've seen this reply on so many videos
That's beautiful
@@Confuseddave well no reason we can't correct her, she was close
So civilization has an expiration. We're getting close now
There's a probable reason why so many cultures have flood myths.
Floods fall into a sort of Goldilocks zone when it comes to disasters. Unlike volcanoes and earthquakes, they are relatively common. They are more common than plagues (present situation notwithstanding) and they leave enough survivors to pass on tales to the next generation. Yet they cause enough hardship to leave significant trauma behind. Unlike fires, they cannot be fought or controlled too easily.
To ancient people, floods must have been the most terrifying common disaster they'd encounter in their lifetimes. Let's not forget that their cosmologies were different from ours -- deep waters like seas were usually the limits of their world and smacked strongly of the unknown ("Here be monsters").
Enough people would have been familiar with floods for cultures to frame myths and stories around them. Not very different from how we have so many stories of nuclear armageddon in the 60s and 70s when the cold war was at its height and nuclear arms race rampant. For many cultures, floods must have been like their ultimate armageddon.
“Here be monsters”
@@TheMarioMen1 This... is Monsters.
People were sailing the world way before us
Also, let's not forget that all civilizations started near bodies of water and often built up near and around them, which explains why floods were so common, consequential and deadly.
Sea levels have not been historically constant. It's possible that the Mediterranean was dry during an ice age
There is evidence that there was once an extremely advanced civilization eons before us. It's covered in a documentary called Battlestar Galactica.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica
The "historical documents" - Mathazar, Galaxy Quest
Greatest comment...since the 13th Colony. :D
I think the idea of a future human civilisation discovering Mount Rushmore and how they'd interpret it is a fascinating one. Makes you think about whether we've misinterpreted discoveries of ancient civilisations or even just historical artefacts. Who's to say we got it all right? We probably haven't, we can only assume. It's an interesting idea.
You should check out Petra.
As an archaeologist, we joke about it all the time. Especially when something is labelled a “ritual object”. We’re well aware, and a lot of the time debating it.
@@StefanieReamer I remember when I learned about archaeology in middle school the first thing we did was read a description some future archaeologist would've written describing the toilet as a ritual object of extreme religious importance.. "a shrine of durable, expensive porcelain in the center of every home"
They’d probably think damn this looks like shit.
Stone henge road under Lake Michigan, pyramids under rock lake Wisconsin, mostly buried pyramid under aztalan park Wisconsin, Pueblo giant pyramid mostly below grade , Mexico city built on giant mostly below grade pyramid, bronze chariot wheels from Moses crossing contain copper that could only have been mined in the upper peninsula of Michigan, pacific coast mountains are all sand & gravel like a giant sand castle left on the beach coming down a bit in every significant rainfall (cant be 4bill yrs old) , sediments from 4k years ago surround dinosaurs (beasts) , oldest ruins known in ireland were completely covered in the same age sediments as dinosaurs , pyramids … every tribe & civilization has an account of the world flood. The world slows down at a rate of approximately 3/4 second per year , it hasn’t sped up , but slows down less at times due to an elliptical orbit , proven by : Coriolis effect, whirlpools, long range bullets ,rattle back, atomic clock , leap seconds, entropy…. Maybe there was some recycling of mass , but the world as we know it , cant be much over 6 to 7 thousand years old , it would rattle hard and stop spinning long before 4bill years . At 3/4 sec of rotation loss per year = 4.3 billion years ago an entire day would be 1sec long . The owners manual makes more sense than darwin . scientists keep proving the owners manual true . “Sleeping with whoreish women will pierce your liver like a dart” (still true hepatitis) great guess for 6k years ago . “Build your house of stone and mortar , so that mold , rust , and fire do not consume it” (still true) great guess from 6k years ago . “Do not move your neighbors landmark” (amazing how many people still trying to do that) . “strong drink is only for the dying , it is anger & deceit” . Wine is only for those whose who have lose everything, that they may forget their sorrows for a moment” . “Drink can cause you(in a position of authority) to pervert the judgment of the afflicted” (bosses , parents, teachers, politicians, cops , judges , lawyers). That owners manual is amazing. PS ORIGINALLY THE TERM WINE OR NEW WINE referred to juice , what is considered “wine” today is actually “old wine” or “enhanced wine” . “They gathered and stomped the harvest grapes , and drank the fruit of their labor the same day” (it was juice) . So many warnings (both visible & invisible side-effects) for alcohol are throughout the bible , still true today. Most of Jesus’s revelations came true ,2000 year predictions, (great guesses) : “one world money” (world central bank system , different faces,same money) . “All will see him” internet media , “in those days they will lose their love , as it was in the days of Noah” (great guess) , “earth quakes in divers places” “the red heifer will return to the promise land “(A2 protein milk is non corrupted) …. Good talk
The age of elves has long since passed, only a few of us remain, and even then only in hidden places long forgotten.
There is still Internet access though.
I read that as 'The Age of Elvis'. It still made sense.
@@szithaanu9934 Luckily, the Age of Elvis has almost passed.
@nonya business I am born of those Avari among the Wood-elves who chose to live many an age in the land of the former Mirkwood. Though most have now departed, faded into wraiths and haunts, or else departed across beyond the bending sea, I and a few of mine kin have discovered a passage to the Faewild. By occasionally flickering in between, we are able to refresh our physical forms, but not without risk of encountering nameless things.
@nonya business Albia; na-chaered palan diriel, o-nef aear, si nef aeraon, O aglar Elenath.
@nonya business what books are you referring to here?
“And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
Gotta love Shelley
It's a classic.
You maybe gotta love Shelly but l prefer Sandy.
@John Jones could be because of watchmen? Or they just actually know the poem from the primary source
Yup great
Thanks for that Im now going to look up Shelley , but thanks to You I will remember that.. an this is the 2nd time this week Ah just went 66 on your likes an a few days ago I went 666 else where..Hmmm?..but I did luv your comment..
I'm on board with this, as there was plenty of time to start and end. Consider: T-Rex is closer to us in time than it was to Stegosaurus.
That is... Pretty cool and scary 🐸🦕
How long?
Really wow didn't know that
@@CrazyFunnyCats When T-Rex came on the scene, Stegosaurus was already about 86 million years dead and extinct. But for Humans, T-Rex itself is only about 66 million years extinct. It's wild to think about.
Did you know T-Rex is just a big chicken? We eat them every day.
Joe is way too addictive. I can’t watch in the mornings because I end up watching the whole day.
All fax. No phone
Big air-conditioning. Not a fan.
@@adamarmstrong5780no job
Nothing like a cup of Morning Joe...❤
Try, The Why Files. You might like that too!
Joe: nothing today will be around in 10,000 years
Twinkies: challenge accepted
I hope Homo sapiens are remembered for their accomplishments and legacies.
@@Cybernaut551 Joey: Did Homo Sapiens go extinct because they were "Homo" Sapiens?
Ross: Homo Sapiens are PEOPLE!
Joey: Hey! I'm not Judging!
@@facetiousmonkey5322 Soylent Green is people !
Hotdogs would win hands down.
Stainless Steel says, “hold my beer”.
This is actually a great perspective to be aware of. As a side note I have always wondered if the tectonic plates would eventually (over enough time) have completely changed their original surface - meaning everything that was once on the earth would end up being recycled within it leaving no trace of what there was.
I remember learning about how the plates shift and that being something I asked myself, if the plate that doesn't "win" I guess and ends up getting crushed under another one, if it gets pushed down far enough to get heated and melt into the deeper layers of the earth.
Yes.
Yes. For example the canadian shield contains the oldest rocks reaching back 4 billion years. Everything else is lost to us.
But the time of earth is limited so it can't repeat any number of times.
Subduction. And yes
...it does and that's what it's called.
No trace in 10k years? Pfft, you have no clue. Who is going to fill in all the massive open pit mines all over the damn world? Do you know anything of metallurgy or ceramics? We are making alloys that can withstand re-entry. We have geosynchronous satellites that will still be in orbit in 10k years. So just staaaaaahp it already, Kemosabe.
Humans: build all their first cities on fertile floodplains that get wiped out in flash floods every few decades
Also humans: "Why were our ancestors obsessed with floods?!"
An easy way to clean the streets?
The most expensive and coveted land today are the beach front property along coasts. They get hit with hurricanes and it is theorized that they will be lost due to global warming and rising ocean waters over the next few decades.
Today: Billionaires fight for houses on the coastline which only go up in value.
We expect better results from planting our nuclear reactors there😄
@@Skitdora2010 "replacement cost" insurance.
Guaranteed pay off.
Exactly. The sea has some weirdly preserved artifacts that should not exist..
One of my favorite Star Trek Voyager episodes is called 'Distant Origin'. On their way home to Earth, the Voyager crew is surreptitiously boarded by researchers belonging to a species of reptilian looking people (The Voth) who are more advanced than human beings. It is discovered that their DNA is similar to humans leading them to theorize that the Voth originated on Earth as an advanced sentient species of dinosaur then populated space millions of years ago, eventually losing track of their planet of origin somehow. The idea is later rejected by the political elite of the Voth as it greatly contradicts religious doctrine. The researchers are punished for publishing their findings and have to retract their statements as part of that punishment. It's a delightfully absurd yet profound 'thought experiment'.
Love that episode. It’s a lot like the race debates we have here and refusal to do genetic testing in fossils
We'll probably be extinct in few million years, but Queen Elizabeth will be there to tell our stories.
👏👏👏👏👏 hilarious
Good for her
I doubt it we are about to become interplanetary, in a few million years we are sure to have moved to other solar systems so I think it would be quite hard to go extinct
@@verify6329 WE are not about to become interplanetary not even close. Perhaps like 0.1% of us are but you realize you and I cant afford those tickets.... the space race is literally an escape plan for people with so much money...they'd have to have raped our planets resources to achieve it....and they did.
@@OswaldBeef and after all that...
Queen Elizabeth will still be
Long live our Gracious Queen!
Me: "Yay! It's time for some Answers"
Joe: "Every thing is doomed to fail"
Me: "Yay! Answers!"
🤣
Lmao.....answers!
U forget about underwear 😂
Oh, cool - another faux TH-cam dialog. Y' know, if you ever tire of being derivative and tiresome, you might try a direct declarative statement of your thoughts. People would be more likely to take you seriously.
@@OslerWannabe you know every video he ever makes is one of the best so maybe you should shut your blabber keyboard mouth that is all...... I got you Joe my boxing gloves are on and it's his mama not yours this time🤣
The interesting thing about the models discussed here is that they leave plenty of room for pre-industrial civilizations to rise and fall without trace.
Without a trace? We have a complete record of hominid evolution dating back 7million years. People who built cities would be easy to find.
@@timhallas4275 Complete? you may want to check that. Along with how much we know about the very earliest civilizations (besides evolution and civilization are different things). Or even just watch the video again and pay attention to what Joe says about erosion. And then there's what we can define as a "city" when it comes to bronze-age technology or earlier.
Then it gets really fun if we consider pre-hominid species that may have reached, say stone age or "bamboo-age" technology. As Joe says, even a few million years back would completely erase any trace.
@@DanJMW We have 5, 7, 10, 30, even 300 million year old fossils. YES, we know there were no advanced civilizations before the end of the last glaciation period. We have detailed records of the oldest civilizations, and none of them were more than 10,000 years ago.
@@DanJMW You have too much time on your hands. I concede. Bye.
I enjoy reading about this kind of stuff, so it was actually a very pleasant 20 minutes. No worries.
You could make the argument Rome lasted for almost 2000 years if you start at the founding and end at the fall of Constantinople.
“Imagine the deep future, long after we’re long and forgotten and nobody even knows we were here” like damn 2100 isn’t even that long away
Can we just get through 2020 1st 🙄
You might just be about right friend.
@@jasonross9212 Actually, no! We really need to sort out all the carbon emissions because you can't self-isolate your way out of cataclysmic climate change.
I think well make it until 2112.
At least we’ll be remembered in some way.
I've always had issues with this huge assumption that progress is some sort of linear graph that heads upwards over time. What if it was a lot more "bumpy"? Good video, well explained and suitably caveated throughout! ...but it was Aliens right?
We haven't had a good bump since th Bronze Age collapse, but that was practically yesterday :D
Too be fair, defining time is becoming somewhat more tricky as we get better at it, or lack thereof. Apparently we are revising a ton of assumptions on geologic time because the radio carbon dating thing isn't working out all that well.
Progress is not linear nor assured. For example, our Justice system went backwards on accommodating the mental ill when it comes to crime thanks to the Conservative political action after John Hinckley's insanity defense put him in a mental institution instead of prison for the attempted murder of President Reagan. That is just but one example.
Our advanced civilization can be taken down by a solar event aimed right at Earth, frying out 98% of the electronic equipment we have here on Earth and much of what we have in space. Called the Carrington effect, first documented in 1859, it destroyed and altered telegraph systems worldwide. Or taken down by a lost Russian bomber accidently bombing Poland and starting World War 3. Either will plunge us into a new dark age.
Or an election of a dictator in America that trashed the Constitution, destroying the decades of progress in making Democratic principles real in America in a matter of days.
Progress can be rolled back or shattered at any point.
@@robertsteinbach7325 and hopefully it will, how the hell else are you going to get over 70,000pages off the federal register
After the flood man had to start all over again. That was the great setback that confuses the masses.
"Homo Erectus lasted nine times longer than us." Gotta admire men like that!
9 seconds isn't that impressive either
Giggity.
LMFAO
Homo Erectus was an ape with 48 chromosomes and humans have 46 so they weren't men but were apes.
Tom Selleck was born to play the role of Irving Finkel
Could you do a video on the number of rivers around the world that have dried up? Even the Euphrates and the Mississippi Rivers have dried significantly. China has 66 majors rivers that have dried up. Shanghai, a massive city, is having power issues because of the lack of hydroelectric power levels dropping off. Kinda scary😬
Consider the fact that Homo Erectus developed a stone tool, the triangular double-edged handaxe, which was a wonderful complex tool, great for all kinds of chopping tasks, and they made it the same way with no innovation, for 1M years. These are people who mastered fire, and left Africa to spread around the globe - never changed the design of the handaxe. To us it is astonishing that a fundamental technology could be static that long, but it was.
yet ironically - we still use the same thing. Our axes and knives are made of metal now, yet basically the same design.
If it ain't broke...?
Taking your thought further: Homo sapiens discovered metallurgy within around 300,000 years. This indicates to me that Homo erectus was simply not intelligent nor innovative enough to develop civilization. Smart though, by all evolutionary precedents up to that time. REALLY smart. But still: Not smart enough. And consider the fact that it took OUR species 300,000 years to discover metallurgy. So: How smart are WE, really? Well, okay, you can't go from ignorance to knowledge without a lot of serendipity and lucky accidents. To be fair. Sitll, tho: Why were our ancestors not examining their environment with more curiosity and intentional inventiveness? Well, there are always more questions than answers. And as @Narwahl Gaming astutely observed: If it ain't broke...
@@richardreinertson1335 mass creativity is a very new thing
@@richardreinertson1335 there’s no such thing as a lucky accident or a coincidence it is simply just your perception of these events that has led you to believe that.
Are WE smart? No.
Are SOME people more than smart? Absofuckinglutely.
Throughout history a small group of people have made inventions and dragged the rest of us almost literally kicking and screaming into innovation.
Humans in general and en masse are a susperstitious backward lot.
The Doctor once complained that the Silurians had, in fact, been named after the wrong era. They should have been called the Eocenes. Coincidence? Yes.
Also, we’re one singing frog in a time capsule from proving today’s hypothesis. Call back!
Time capsule is cheap tick with an hat frog, I would only buy a few million yo space ship with dinosaurs on it
I just noticed the little Tardis model on the shelf behind him before I read your comment.
Yes, Silurians existed. I saw it on the show, "Land of the Lost" when I was a child every Saturday morning. They couldn't and wouldn't lie to CHILDREN!
Sleestacks!
That was a great show. Saw it in the 70s as a kid and recently watched the whole thing, all available on TH-cam I should add.
And they even made a full-length movie in 2009! They wouldn't do that without valid evidence of Sleestacks
I still have Holly in my heart.
@@MichaelHolmgaard They made a movie? Where have I been?
To anyone vaguely interested in anthropology, I HIGHLY recommend the book Sapiens. You’ll look more sceptically at the statement “and you were born here! Look how lucky you are!”
To put it shortly, we weren’t made for the way we made ourselves live. Prehistoric humans didn’t quite live in the hellscape we imagine, even if it was far less comfortable. We strive for convenience and comfort, thinking it brings us happiness. Things are more complicated than that. In fact, is brings us problems. Some we know of, some we never even think about. We also can’t go back on any inventions with negative consequences, and we’re advancing faster than we or the earth can adapt to. Also, crops domesticated us more than we domesticated them, even if it was our idea (hard to explain, that one).
So basically, those people who first started doing agriculture, they opened Pandora’s Box, and we can never go back.
Again, I recommend the book, especially if you think I’m going insane.
I don’t like when people act like tribes had no idea what they were doing. Humans can have more leisure time then a lot of other species. We weren’t constantly scrambling to gather and hunt nonstop in “survival mode”.
I’ll have to checkout that book. Thanks for your comment.
@@Greg__K Glad I could recommend it to someone else who might like it.
It’s totally true by the way. It’s that typical mentality of “people in the past didn’t know what I know, so they were dumb.” Whilst people in the past knew a ton of stuff that we don’t know that we don’t know, things that might be less useful to us now, or maybe stuff that we just forgot to care about over the generations. Stuff like inner peace, because it’s kinda us that live closest to a constant state of survival.
Since Mt. Rushmore will be the only thing left after 20k years, future civilizations will think of us as a stone age civilization
that’s wild to think about
This realization bothers me deeply and makes me want to start a campaign to have better faces put up. The future civilizations may not know they are gazing on the face of slavers and war pigs; but I would prefer they not know they are gazing on the faces of truely great minds.
@@carpdog42 Teddy didn't do anything wrong
@@drinkbread6086 He intentionally signed up to participate in a war. We can find someone better.
@@carpdog42 man I would hate to take you on a vacation to Europe.
"Look at these cool Roman statues!"
"Oh you mean the statues of slavers and war pigs? Wish the ancients could have left us better people to look at."
"Imagine the deep future, long after we're all gone"
So next Thursday?
If this isn’t a Douglas Adams reference, imma be disappointed.
Must be tuesday. I never could get the hang of tuesdays
I trust this statement to the end of the earth.
D614G has entered the chat
@Yevhenii Diomidov thursday is a timeless cycle of the universe. it only ends because we need friday, the best day of the week.
"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again"
And again & again.
given Penrose's CCC, there may be infinite big bangs going back and forward in time and each of us has occurred an infinite number of times going forwards and backwards in time
Starbuck was a crazy intense biatch of an angel
So say we all
No wonder I keep having deja vu over and over again
Make it stop!
This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Grinds hard stones to meal;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down.
And such a thing is time.
Funny how a poem applies equally to water and mankind, and is actually about neither.
Millions of years from now, historians will say that the faces on mount rushmore were former hokages.
Ahh a man of culture
*Moefist* (owner of J-List here)
Whats a hokage. Never heard that word before. Why not just use plain English words.
@@jasonking1284 because it's not an english word?
@@7R15M3G1 Yeh? and how many people use that word every day? Very few. Most people will have to Google it to find out its meaning. Why do ppl like OP like to send others on goose chases?
JMG had Jason Wright on Event Horizon last week and they discussed this same topic. My favorite takeaway from it was the idea that we could discover a prior technological species by recovering their derelict space probes just outside the solar system.
That is an idea I have not thought about.
''just outside the solar system'' We didn't even have clear pictures of pluto until a few years ago.(which is like a million billion times more massive than a tiny space probe) Now mutiply the distance the voyager probes have travelt times a few hundred/thousand years and good luck finding that thing in an undefined sphere around the solar system
We have spacecraft sitting in Lagrange points that will be there forever.
@@NuclearTopSpot Well luckily if we ever get somewhat space fairing, we'd have some truly gigantic telescopes.
@@rsdna9698 Not quite "forever": solar wind plus gamma rays and Xrays will slowly erode these things until all that remains of them in a few hundred thousand years are blackened pieces of metal which just barely resemble their original selves. After a few million years, they will be almost undistinguishable from a natural meteorite. Same will happen to Elon's Tesla.
"Will he wonder what happened to us? Or will it be obvious?"
We're maniacs. We blew it up.
“You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!”
@@1MarkKeller I know you're quoting Planet of the Apes th-cam.com/video/sPbjPOgRtyA/w-d-xo.html but, I've always thought when seeing this scene, "eh, kinda late for that".
"You finally did it!!! YOU MANIACS!!! DAMN YOU!! Damn you all to hell!!!" Charleton Heston predicted it.
Still left the giant statue. And all the stuff in the apes' archaeological dig. Dr. Zaius knew about it the whole time, there was a conspiracy to cover it up.
I rather imagine that by the time of this hypothetical future archaeologist that we will be quite far beyond caring one way or the other. 😏 🧐
That first creature looks more like a Sleestak from the original "Land of the Lost" TV show than like a Silurian.
That's exactly what it is. LoL
Ah. . . the Lizard People episode. Finally.
Dang you beat me by 1 min haha
clearly it’s advanced lizard people- with LAZERS
Damn this is my favourite comment in this video 😂😝
I guess
@@nosuchthing8 well yes it I'm assuming that this was for me 😛
Sleestack, that's what I call Them.
I actually subscribe to the notion that civilization is considerably longer than we presume and that there could have been prior advanced civilizations that were wiped out by geologic catastrophes like the comet hitting Greenland.
If you're talking about the impact that may have wiped-out the Clovis culture, it would seem it hit central North America. Unrelated, but check out Goblecki Tepe!
Graham. Meet Hancock.
@@anthonysaunders345 Not just North America, the evidence suggest a world wide catastrophe of epic proportions. Some knowledge was clearly maintained in the brief aftermath, but all technology was clearly lost. They went for fine cuts and positioned megaliths, back to stacking stones.
The only problem is that there is no solid evidence yet... YES, advanced civilizations could have existed before ours started to develop after the Younger Dryas - but we really don't have any convincing evidence yet.
It's a Wonderful fairytale isn't it and I subscribed to that ideology from about 5 which is when I read my first hardcover history books tell about 25 I can now as an adult appreciate the fact that we have all sorts of evidence evidence tiny evidence poop evidence shoe evidence every kind of evidence you could have for humans progression it's not very entertaining it is very slow moving but they have evidence for it,, but if solid archaeological evidence isn't enough for you look up animal domestication crop domestication and dispersal throughout the world and human genetics because any civilization that was everywhere would have mixed them things things up a long long long long long time ago but there is zero evidence of that and any little mixing are easily seen in the DNA and in the fossil record
11,600 years ago, bout the time of the Younger-Dryas impact event...
Just saying...
How did he miss this? It's the most common sense answer. Global catastrophe that caused worldwide flooding and likely wiped out civilizations.
Graham Hancock knows
Will our artificial satilites and trash still orbit around earth once were extinct? Lol
@@bigtravis6159 Saw a podcast with him and Joe Rogan, one of several, what they say on that podcast its pretty dam interesting.
pretty sure those were humans too... read the title :)
The problem with the Seuss effect is that the assumption is that the way we use/create energy is the same as civilizations of the past. There is so much technology that has been lost and we have no idea how certain things happened.
We don't actually _know_ that "so much technology . . .has been lost."
As all things die eventually, it looks like the time has come for Joe's microphone. That constant hiss must be it's death knell!
Lol just as I read your comment I noticed the hiss....now I cant unhear ut!!
@@MrBizteck Yeah, it's pretty bad. Guess he noticed it too late in production of the video to change anything.
It’s still removable since it’s constant but he’d have to reup
I like the hiss.
The ancient civilization in question are called The Voth and they're currently located in the Delta Quadrant. According to the Doctor on Star Trek Voyager.
Seriously tho lmao
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I'm pretty sure those are sleestaks
Loved that episode. Wish they would bring them back their one of the most advanced races in the series.
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LTT has nothing on that transition. .
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Lol I got wiplash from that change!
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I try to watch your channel whenever I can. Really enjoy this one. Thank you for taking the time to explain!!
"It's not like I'm saying it's aliens or something..."
No; you gotta have *the hairstyle* to talk about aliens.
Why?
Come on darlin'....it won't take much to get ya up to speed
Either that or a time traveling spaceship that was grown, a British accent, and an eccentric personality with love for the human race.
@@lokixthor4eva587 New to the internets are we eh? Just look up “ancient aliens meme” you’ll get it.
All he's got to do is stick a fork in an electrical outlet.
I feel like we know 5% of human history.
Less than 1% if you believe half of what Joe just said. I don't know if you caught it, but most of it was guesses.
Well I hear that 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot.... So everything tracks
I feel like we know less about human history than we do about oceans and space
@@malkavianloner8808 What do the polluters know or care about the oceans?
@Grimsby Reapers You on the meth again?
“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without necessarily accepting it”.
Harry Stottle.
Harry Stottle and the Philosophy of Being Stoned
@@miketheburns “Potter, young man, you are destined for greatness”.
“Yeah? Well that’s just, like, your opinion, man”
😝
Huh? It's the mark of basic intelligence.
@@pennyrobinson9772 It should be, yes.
I make a large and conscious effort to try to see things through other people's viewpoints. I rarely come to accept that point of view but it often leads to amend my own.
Thank you, you have inspired a science curiosity in my I haven't felt since I was a child! Truly, thank you. I have officially started my blog.
Here's to another year where we knew more than we did last year!
"Rome wasn't built in a day, in fact it took hundreds of years to steal all those ideas from the greeks." -Joe
This is my new favorite quote. I'm gonna use it forever now.
Although the Romans stole the majority for the basis of their civilization from the Etruscans.
It is called lending other nation culture and ideas until lender manage to produce its own culture.
At least he didn't go with "steal those ideas from Africa" or "Wakanda".
@@Gaga682 Syncretism
Don't forget the Carthaginians from whom the romans took a western mediterranean empire.as well as agricultural, commercial and naval technology and science. th-cam.com/video/E6kI9sCEDvY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/0DnXV6R0nh0/w-d-xo.html
It could be that flood myths are so widespread because most advanced agricultural human civilizations formed near rivers, lakes, and seas as opposed to drier inland areas. Once you are close to shore, events like tsunamis or storms could really affect you, and then those small localized floods inspire myth and legend worldwide.
Australian aboriginals have flood, volcano and mega fauna stories orally handed down for thounds of years. Academics have dated the oldest of these stories to the end of the last ice age when huge tracts of the Australian continental shelf were submerged under the rising sea levels. It shows that oral histories based upon observed events can survive for at least 10 thousand years (and possibly longer). The flood stories first written down by bronze age middle eastern peoples are probably based on older orally passed on stories.
bingo
China river
The Bible is truth.
Flood stories are one of the easiest to made up. And people always made up catastrophic stories, becouse we like them.
Hunter gatherer: "I can't find any game or berries, I'll starve".
Modern human: "I've only got three kinds of cheese in the fridge, I'll starve"
Yeah, the use of the word "starve" is silly in modern times (in developed countries). "Ohmahgaah, i haven't eaten in 4 hours, i'm starving".. I wonder how quickly our species would die out if all the people who say those kinds of things with sincerity were thrust into the hunter-gatherer period of our past. Oh, you want food? Go chase that deer that runs ~48km/h for food..
😂😂😂
more like "OH MY GOD I'M GOING TO DIE ITS SO COLD I'M GOING TO DIE I'M GOING TO DIE I'M SO HUNGRohlookagiganticbearDIE MOTHERFUCKER! DADDY NEEDS SOME BBQ"
Post-COVID human : ...
You all must live in big cities lol come out to the country and we will take care of you 👍🏻we still hunt, garden, burn wood to keep warm...
I'd like to see archaeological evidence from places currently underwater.
I've always loved this thought experiment. My thought is that it depends on your definition of "advanced." For example small city states could be considered advanced. In a 300,000 year timescale we could of had several civilizations as advanced as say the ancient Greeks or the Aztecs without ever finding evidence in the fossil record. I would say that the chances are at least plausible that humans formed some kind of settlements that engaged in trade with each other long before we thought they did. Gobekli Tepe was built 11,000 years ago and that was pretty advanced for simple hunter gatherers. Either way the answer is definitely not aliens lol. Humans are highly intelligent and extremely violent. We could have easily wiped ourselves out several times over without leaving a trace long before discovering hydrocarbons and plastic.
i very much agree with your thought on what is meant by advanced.
Many years ago, school friends and I walked along a concrete cricket pitch and speculated what the future would make of this length of concrete away from other buildings - a short runway? Surely not sporting equipment. There are examples from the ancient world all over which we think was their purpose. Egyptians, it was found using clay, grape juice and a few metals used in the period could achieve rudimentary electroplating - like gold electroplating. Meaning that what was thought to be solid gold pieces in fact weren't in many cases. But without context and written history so different and incomplete to our understanding, we are left to speculate. And the fact is that throughout modern history, we are known to be wrong on many things and regard the now as being superior than what was before.
I was wondering about the use of fossil fuels being the criteria for an "advanced civilisation" existing. Wind and water power have been used for nearly 2,000 years. If some pre-human civilisation used that to power their cities, their carbon footprint might be minimal.
And now we have nukes, so even plastics wont survive in the blast zones. All that will be left in a few million years is a thin radioactive sediment line, dozens of meters beneath the earth.
Y'all ever hear of Grahamn Hancock, Randall Carlson or Robert Schoch?
I agree with you until "Humans are highly intelligent and extremely violent". Humans are LESS violent than a lot of other species on this planet - as you point out, we COULD HAVE wiped ourselves out several times over, but haven't - and for all we know, as far as intelligent global species go, we could be one of the least violent.
I've always thought it would be interesting and terrifying if we go out in to space, discover intelligent species, and Humanity became the "diplomatic species" to mediate disputes between all the others because we turn out to be the LEAST violent spacefaring species, lol
Your narrative structure is actually supreme. These videos feel just right. Congratulations. And thank you.
i agree!
@@marcellinechoisne5627 I disagree!
@@mylocus1013 I agree the disagrement,lol
TH-cam is filled with so much false information, believing something because it “feels” right is not the way to go…
The Silurians in Doctor Who were so named because the human character who discovered them wrongly labelled the era he thought they lived in. The Doctor later reflects in a 1973 story that they should have been called "Eocenes" which is indeed the era of the thermal maximum. The Silurians show us a sculpture of their globe as having a Pangaea landmass and that hasn't existed for 175 million years. So god only knows when they're supposed to be from?!
As a species the "Silurians" and their aquatic "Sea Devil" cousins were obsessively eco-conscious. They built their whole civilisation around a concept of harmony with nature. Their technology took on a grown, organic appearance, and they went out of their way not to damage the ecosystem. They were also big on using solar and geothermal energy sources. That would probably have worked to minimise their environmental footprint. However in real life it's almost inconceivable any intelligent civilisation could develop so cleanly.
The Silurians were invented for a 1969 story of Doctor Who when the real world Earth Sciences were rather more primitive than they are today. The Silurians supposedly went into their hibernation chambers because they thought a wandering planetoid passing the Earth would severely disrupt the atmosphere. Instead that planetoid was captured into Earth orbit and became the Moon.
Today that's a ludicrous tale, but in the 60s that was still a valid hypothesis for the origins of the Moon. It took the Apollo mission and the return of lunar samples to understand the shared origins of the Earth-Moon system.
Despite the woeful mess of misunderstood science in the creation of the Silurians, what still bugs me most of all is that in newer Doctor Who stories, the reptilian Silurians are depicted as having boobs. What the actual &%£!? Someone clearly doesn't know what the word "mammal" means!!
The original Silurians were awesome. I think they could have maintained that in the revived series just by keeping those masks rather than showing they had overly human faces. If anything they become _too_ easy to relate to which I feel undermines the message of the story that relating to something very different from ourselves is challenging.
I'm okay with them having sexual dimorphism however - we technical never see 'boobs' on those thoroughly dressed creatures - and the notion they segregate into warrior and civilian authority groups was interesting. But I should try and get back to the topic of the video.
Would a reptilian race be more likely to go for renewable resources than we have? Maybe if you are cold-blooded and recognize the value of sunning yourself on a rock then you would have a greater sense that the Sun provides power. Or is burning stuff just initially too convenient a thing to do?
@ShaunDoesMusic both neat and bleak. :)
I guess if the Silurians had in fact been from the Silurian period then definitely they would have lacked fossil fuels. But like you I cannot say how long it takes for such deposits to develop - would they have been useful by the Mesozoic? All this is definitely fun to think about.
Wait a second?! No mention of gobekli tepe in this episode of all episodes 🧐
Some graffiti on the moon's surface would be the perfect "Idiots were here, and there, before you".
justincase
Gene Cernan wrote his daughter`s initials on the moon in 1972
The moon actually experiences quite the constant battering from Solar particles and forces. Would have to be some real hearty "graffiti."
@@ClandestineMerkaba
It dont get more hearty than writing the name of your daughter
@@ClandestineMerkaba Like.. a nuclear graffiti?
@@jozefkovac6858 Something large, metal, angular, and highly reflective.
"Unlike you people, I have no illusion as to my usefulness in an actual apocalypse, and believe me, death holds no fear in a world without cappuccinos. No, the most I can hope for is to die in a pose that confuses future archaeologists."
- Yahtzee Croshaw
Did they invent Yahtzee?
What is this from? I love it's bleak hilarity.
@@matthiasnagorski8411 he's the host of zero punctuation game reviews , one of the best reviewers and the video essays are hilarious
Yahtzee is great lmao
I find the averred preference for death before a de-cappuccino'd existence frivolous in the extreme, but the hoped for pose in death an inspirational suggestion of pure genius .. some special equipage carried at all times against the possibility of adequate notice of ones death to allow deployment may be required to make best use of the idea :)
When I was a lot younger, I played Half-Life 2 for the first time and was just messing around in the starting level while listening to Dr. Breen give his whole speech about how humanity willingly subjugating themselves to their alien overlords was a good thing, and at one point he says:
"Are all the accomplishments of humanity fated to be nothing more than a layer of broken plastic shards thinley strewn across a fossil bed, sandwiched between the Burgess shale and an eon's worth of mud?"
The moment he said this line I got goosebumps, it always stuck with me because of its implications, it's a rhetorical question that we all know the answer to. The Earth will greatly outlive us and anything we have built will eventually be lost to time, and if something ever did uncover our remains, all they'd find is some plastic, our legacy for the ages.
Humanity: we're so important
Gaia: barely noticing us intensifies
ooh 2 deep 4 u
Considering how much plastic is and will be around as a potential energy source, given enough time I’m 100% sure that bacteria and/or fungus will evolve to eat it, so not much of it will be left after humans are gone.
There have been new studies recently that point towards a flood at around 12,000 BC, due to a meteorite hit in Greenland. I think they found the crate very recently. Maybe a good topic to touch on…
Exactly when God said it happened.
"When the Earth starts to settle, God throws a stone at it. And believe me, he's winding up..."@@kcck7588
Younger Dryas. It’s a scientific fact there was a global flood 12,000 years ago. It is also fact that every culture around the world has a creation story involving beings from the sky saving them from a flood. Make of that what you will. BTW Turkey government officially acknowledges Noah’s Ark has been found in their mountains.
@@Byronic19134 A global flood is physically impossible given the Earths topography in relation to its total quantity of water. According to the bible the water level was several meters above the highest point of land, which would have asphyxiated and frozen to death anything on Noah’s Arc. Also considering the immense number of different species, from radically different ecosystems, and predators who would necessarily have to eat other animals on the boat, the fact that anyone could take such a story for historical fact is insanity. There’s nothing wrong with believing in God but people need to stop acting like these stories aren’t fictitious
It came in a crate? UPS?
" soon all things will be forgotten, and All things will have forgotten you" Marcus Aurelius
Said the man being quoted 2000 years later
@@Fusso alongside Publius Ovidius Naso, who wrote in the very last paragraph of "Metamorphoses": " And so I conclude my work, that neither fire nor sword nor Jupiter himself can destroy, [...] and if there is anything to the prophecies, will be read by people throughout all the centuries"
And you read that, and think " Whoa, whoa, whoa, that´s a pretty bold claim, mate!"...until you realize you are sitting in a classroom in the year 1997.....*gulp*
that was kinda scary.
that guy had some serious understanding of a lot of things. His "Reflections to myself" are just amazing.
Forgotten by archaeological methods and the like, yeah. But the universe is a giant quantum computer, recording everything, including every firing of every synapse in every brain--and which can be played back, but only watched.
@@thepainefultruth I am afrid, not. It would be a pleasant thought, but, I have my doubts.
“Most historians don’t believe Atlantis actually existed.”
Space Shuttle Atlantis: :(
I thought they already found the atlantis city on land, not under water. Like most things, it was hyped. But I guess it was the kool place back in the day.
@@duyle-ej6ty Atlantis might be exactly where Solon said it was…there’s a landmass right where they say it was…that’s coinciding with the dates of the younger dryas and is now underwater at exactly the depths it would need be to have been an island 12600 yrs ago…which again coincides with the dates Plato gave in his Atlantis report
@@The_Rude_French_Canadian Or actually it may be still right there in Africa. With 2 rings around the center.
@@duyle-ej6ty Atlantis appears to have been in what is now the Sahara Desert, centered on Mt. Tahat in southern Algeria. The Atlantes were a group on the island of Cerne off of what was until recently the Rio del Oro, currently under Moroccan occupation. The Atlantes were conquered by the African Amazons, and the historical part of Plato's tale appears to refer to the Amazon Empire. "Atlantis" fell when it stopped raining and the weather systems shifted into Ethiopia, leading to the Nile flood (the Flood of Deucalion or Noah's flood). This was in 2949±2 BC. The Sahara region first became fertile _circa_ 7450 BC. neros.lordbalto.com/ChapterEight.htm
neros.lordbalto.com/ChapterTen.htm
@@stefanfrankel8157 Um... close. But I thought atlantis would be close to the sea. So it couldn't be south of algeria. Well, they are hypothesizing that West of Mauritania is the location of 3 ring atlantis city.
I’m expecting Graham Hancock to kick his way through the wall and tear a hole in the shelves behind you at some point. If he doesn’t, I’ll be very upset.
I don't know how you can talk about this topic without bringing him up.
same
This ^
I was worried that I'd have to bring him up.
yeh joe only starts 5500 bc... not on grahams billions of year pyramid spaceship / stargate etc hypothesis..
I’d love to take a one semester history class from this guy.
There's a cottage in my tiny wee village in Scotland that's older than the USA
Lots of things are older than the USA
And the USA Isn't a civilisation so that doesn't count haha
That's nothing. There are houses in Danbury, Ct that are older than the USA. Danbury, on the other hand, is over 500 years old.
Here in Doncaster there is a wall near the town centre that dates to roman times. That even pre-dates most of my jokes. 😂
I was in Athens once. Most da city older than Jesus.
"But....how could you know?"
"I'm an archaeologist from the future. I dug you up."
River song noises
I am you from the future! There's NO TIME TO EXPLAIN!
This was a great episode Joe. You should consider doing more thought experiment vids. Especially history related. Haven't been that engrossed in a vid in a while. Great work! 👍
I've been watching your videos for the last two days. I just subscribed. So much interesting material. Thanks.
"When that fictional, future archeologist finds that layer, will he wonder what happened to us, or will it be obvious." One of the most powerful lines I've ever heard
Future archeologists will still probably be us - humans.
We're less than 300 years away from becoming a multi-planet civilization. Once we achieve that first step, the second planet (or body), as a civilization we will be almost immortal - save the end of universe itself. With the second planet the probability of one event wiping us out is negligible.
@@SuperLusername 300 years into the future we will probably have learned to clone living organisms, so colonizing other planets and preserving the future of humanity will be incredibly easy, however that is 300 years from now. Humans right now are like babies driving cars. We have no idea what these buttons do or how they work, and we cant even reach the gas pedals much less control the steering wheel. Humans can pretty easily wipe themselves out before we even have another chance to colonize other planets.
@@SuperLusernameGood of you to assume we'll be around much longer
Indeed!
@@SuperLusername It will still take about 26 000 years to reach the very next star system, and we are nowhere near sure we can actually settle there....Space might be too big for interstellar colonization. Reaching the average next star system in meaningful numbers (from a genetic point of view, you should settle for a couple hundred individuals to ensure sufficient diversity) might actually require more ressources than an average star system can provide.
Yeah, I am fun at parties.
Was there an advanced civilization before humans?
Graham Hancock: Allow me to introduce myself..
Did we even check underground?
Absolutely my thought too!
Exactly...Greenland asteroid crater = great flood.
@@KCJbomberFTW they did actually... and there have been altercations between underground alien species and military. Not my opinion, thats what I've heard from 1st person accounts of ex gov employees that were "on site" during such events. I recommend checking out LMH's Earth Files... She's an investigative journalist of 4+ decades, who interviews gov and military sources on weird stuff. She was the original reporter who popled the lid on the cattle mutations decades ago.
i recommend searching YT for events at Dulce base...
“The further one goes, the less one knows.”
― Lao Tzu
Absolutely! The more I learn the less I get it ...
"Gus, don't be this crevice in my arm"
--Shawn Spencer
Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted --- Sun Tzu
"Would you like to make it a meal?" -- McDonald's Drive-Thru Girl
Not so sure Lao was actually watching where he was going.
I think an update might be due, lots of new theories based on good evidence. Great videos Joe!
As Faulkner once wrote: "Time, the mausoleum of all hope and desire . . . "
Yep 🤔
"The Seuss Effect"
*The Cat in the Hat knows a lot about ending civilizations*
No wonder why The Cat visited those kids. He's likely a kidnapper.
I enjoyed the hell out of this. Definitely a fun thought experiment! Keep kicking ass man, love your channel.
Shout out to the aboriginal folks in Australia, whose stories stretch back some 60,000 years (several of which have been scientifically confirmed through geology). Super cool to have a continuous oral tradition that old.
this was one of the best ever! You are such a good presenter: factual, entertaining, and educational. I loved the topic and the way you factually cover the timeline, the evidence available and at the same time question everything. You are the best. Keep it up.
I agree, I really enjoyed this one.
If leftists keep rioting every day and destroy cities then the USA will end sooner than later. Screw Klantifa, the racist, bigoted fascist communists.
@@gertpacu3926 poor trolling, man. Gotta be more believable
Gert this is not the time or place
@@gertpacu3926 or it could change for the better like it did in the 1960s. Boomer. Love is power. Hate is destruction. Its that simple troll.
"Was there and advanced civilization before humans?"
Ancient Alien theorists say...yes. But then, they always say yes.
because aliens. lol
Everything we associate with civilization gets recycled very rapidly (geologically speaking). Watch how fast it begins th-cam.com/video/mQgdZTgpczM/w-d-xo.html . There is no evidence that man's existence on Earth began recently. Read books by Michael Cremo for comprehensive documented evidences. Man's been here over 300 million years.
Secret untold secret about civilizations to be shared far and wide: th-cam.com/video/8PQ4svtAfmI/w-d-xo.html
And the Religious Right always says no..
If you want to get technical about it, they always ask, "*Could there have been* an advanced blah blah blah?"
So when the theorists say yes, they are just saying that it *could* have happened, not that they actually believe it.
3.9 billion years ago my ancestors were a bacterial film on the ancient ocean. That has been an unbroken line of decent that has survived every mass extinction.
youre VERY RELIGIOUS ! IF U BELIEVE WE CAME FROM rock or slime .. takes lots of faith for that
Daddy1724 We will meet him very soon
@ Joseph McCarthy
DESCENT
@Daddy1724
No. All those who spread tall tales, such as disbelief in God, are the evil fairy tales - like the troll who snatches people who walk over the bridge. Those snatched can only be released when they remember something that is true in love in their hearts. The truest love in the heart is from God who completely fills the heart with love He gives freely. It is our free will that recognizes and accepts the love God freely gives us all. A funny thing happens to those who recognize that love - they are never afraid of the evil troll because God is peace amidst fear which means there is no fear. The evil troll cannot live within the unity of love - the evil that stands alone can only try to trap people with lies. The love of God in our hearts destroys all evil.
Where is love, in your comment?
@Joseph McCarthy I had the same idea a few years ago, it's pretty awe inspiring isn't it?
Man im glad the youtube algorythm put this channel in my recommended today, i subscribed after watching the first video. Really interesting topics, a great way of explaining them and the cherry on top is this guy humor sense.
I am sure my iron skillet will be in a museum in 10,000 years from now to demonstrate my cooking powers.
cooking "prowess"
No tarnishing your cooking prowess, but the iron may end up a pile of rust. Gold bars and coins would not be touched by time.
Our was out a club for hunting?
@@markjacks3828 his original sentence still makes sense. In fact all he has to do is get rid of the in before 10,000.
My grandmother's old cast iron skillet was about the only thing to survive when her house burned down in the 70's. It had to be re-seasoned but it's still going strong today. Surface like glass, eggs slide right off of it
"ancient astronaut theorists says YES"
Hahahaha I love this!, that's exactly how the ancient aliens guy says it
😂😂😂
Ancient astronaut theorists suggest
Ancient aliens used exclusively green organic materials that turn to soil! ;)
I WANT TO BELIEVE
Joe Scott: "It's a tiny 13 mile gap"
People who run half marathons: ಠ_ಠ
People who don't run
☠️
People who run full marathons: It's a tiny 13 mile gap.
@@z-beeblebrox People who do Ironman: That's my cool down
Woah, I read this comment right when he said it in the video.
@@DavidMcCoul the TH-cam commenting system has finally worked as intended lmao
Just as you said, in 20,000 years all that would be left of us would be Mt Rushmore. Isn't that what we find with the Pyramids?
Your picture in thumbnail, looks like a sleestack, from land of the lost. A Saturday morning staple from the 70's 80's.
Jim
I thought the same thing! That's why I'm here. Lol 😆
I loved watching Land of the Lost on Saturday mornings, even though the Sleestacks terrified me. 😄
It is Sleestack! 🙂
@@oldsoul2701 me too
@@oldsoul2701 same
“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.”
― Albert Einstein
Times that by ten if you have ADHD
Lol Albert Einstein plagiarized most of his life’s work, so I’m sure he stole this quote too
people: Joe yes we like you crazy
Joe: LIZZZAAARDDD PEOOOPLLLEEEE
Or Sleastacks
K Beware the sleestak army!
I'm dying
first video i watched on your channel. love it, keep em coming! this and why files are probably my favourite type of youtube content.
I'm going to carve gangster spongebob into a granite rock and hide it in a cast-iron box with an impossible lock for the future people
I wonder what they will make of it
@@andy-kg5fb they’d think it was an idol of worship. Close enough
I loved that you broke down the time lines so well! Especially when you were talking about Plato! I knew he wrote it hundred of years later but not that far!
A civilization could have gotten to the 18th century tech level without likely leaving evidence behind.
Ask the Greeks... Their gearing systems were far, far more advanced than those of the 18th century. They had the worlds first computers, (Antikythera mechanism) vending machines, steam engines, automations, (Heron of Alexandria) railways... (Only one that we know of, used to pull ships over a land bridge). In many ways we already know this as a fact. Then the Romans came along.
This assumes that technology is discovered / created linearly
@@herdenq That assumption does not have to be made. Industrialization pools resources in large enough batches in places that do not naturally form those resources revealing relatively advanced civilizations. Most everything else will break down after ~30,000 years, leaving not very much of anything but raw material. Unusual pooling of those materials in unnatural places would be the evidence.
The order of discovery isn't necessary although it generally builds on prefor discovery but the order of application of a discovery generally is. We couldn't split the atom before harnessing fossil fuels for instance.
@ancientbuilds3764 well saying the Greeks had the first steam engines is a stretch. They were little gizmos that didn't do any work
That ''isth-MUS'' bit got me dying, totally did not expect that lmao
Honestly I'm so glad I recently discovered this channel
I find it interesting that the end of the younger dryas event, when temperatures rose and glaciers started melting, happened about the time Atlantis is said to have been lost in a flood. I don't know that I buy into this theory (not my theory, I'm not that smart), but I do find it interesting.
Me too man. I think it would change a lot
Of what we know about civilization. I want to believe it’s real so much but there just isn’t concrete evidence.
@@EJD339 There is some evidence, just not much. So long ago, all fragments.
It's true! The Younger Dryas caused a whole lot of Wet Ass.
Let's all try to get Joe to cover the Younger Dryas. It is a very interesting thing that we know happened in in modern/definitely anatomically current human times
There was an impact crater found in 2018 that roughly dates to the Younger Dryas period. Don't think it wiped out any lost advanced civilization but an impact of this size would have destroyed any coastal inhabitants and endanger many species.
“ we are a species with amnesia “
Graham Hancock
th-cam.com/video/gNrIcksHcMs/w-d-xo.html
@Ivanhoe ॐ ....????....just how many people have to be in the loop to make this conspiracy work?
That’s a guy who doesn’t understand that Atlantis was a metaphor.
Maybe disregard grifter dipshits.
He's a con artist. ..
@@RadagastBrown420 even con artists speak truth from time to time
"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero"
-Narrorator, Fight Club
Was my senior yearbook quote. Class of 2001. Damn, I feel so old now.
Praise be!
Mine was “Daylight Steals The Magic Of The Night” class 03
Mine was:
‘You already have the no, you are just going for the girl’s yes.’
@@RehabProjectSRCB Time has no meaning there. The predator has no teeth. Dr. Soran
One problem with carbon emission to measure advancement, is that the less population might not ever emit as much on the first place!
All in all, great talk! Very thought provoking!
“Luckily we’re showing no signs of that rot ourselves.” *sarcastic laugh* 😂
Then the blank stare!! AAHAHAHAAA!!🤣🤣🤣
I gotta tell you…I can’t imagine how much work goes into creating this video. It has to take an enormous amount of time to study each species existence and learn enough about them to actually put it into a coherent sentence, let alone paragraph. Then to do it for all the different species, eras, fossils, what kind of dirt, sediment, etc. - the list here is endless. Then to make an impressive video explaining it to us probably above average people (I don’t see this topic as something the average person would “trend” on Twitter, so we must be asking good questions to find this) and to truly impress us all…I’m in awe. Great job, sir.
I would contribute much of the content is quite well known. It’s the making of the video that is a work of art
All people on Earth (at some point): live on river banks
Also people: hmm, where are all those flood stories came from?
Also, I just realized that among catastrophes, most floods can be survived, and thus told stories about.
History is being rewritten and some facts in this video are incomplete and wrong. There is a lot of evidence found around ancient archeological sites but mainstream archeologists from different reasons don’t accept them. The world reseted at the end of the Younger Dryas in a period of time spending from 12800 to 11600 years before the present.
So the civilizations Before the Flood were whipped out at the same time with the megafauna. Look At Göbekli Tepe
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1) Links on archeoligical articles / dissertations / reports about these evidence?
2) Fact that modern humans lived before last ice age is obvious since oldest homo sapiens remains we know are dated back to ~315'000, but it doesn't mean that there was civilization or something;
3) We already agreed what is civilization and what isn't. Megalithic structures like Gobekli Tepe with all that complicated carvings and obious need in some sort of organization are rather final steps to start a civilization then evidence of some unknown older civilizations in human history.
P.S. Megafauna is still there, if we talking about general meaning of this term. Elephants, big cats and even humans are parts of megafauna.
stormtrooper_34
You can read about them In Graham Hancock’s books or watch his videos.
@@cozmamihai8665 sry, don't trust only one source info and pseudohistorians
Better than the whole series on Netflix. And way shorter. Great video man!
5:57 "there's no evidence"
that's not exactly true. Younger Dryus and Gobekli Tepe are very much pointing in that direction.
He kinda blew right by these. As fact the younger- dryas is iffy, but compelling. But there's no ignoring gobekli tepe( sure i butchered that). It seems kinda self centered to assume we were 1st
How are they pointing in that direction?
@Blaise 2067 Most academics can't touch these out-of-place-artifacts with a ten foot pole without retribution from academia.
@@adamwest8711 a crater was identified in greenland because of a melting glacier. ice core samples were taken and a time-line was figured out to date the impact to correlate to the younger dryus period. Gobekli tepe is an ancient religious site that was completely covered and had/has to be excavated, and it points to a massive event (kind of like a meteor impact) that moved a lot of sediment and buried a bunch of sites in Africa and the middle east.
Scara Brea at 4500 years as well.
Haven't even watched the video yet, and I'm already psyched!!! This is one of my favourite big questions of all time!
Thanks Joe
The answer would be probably : 42. I guess.
The reason the computer gave them that answer is because they asked the wrong question.
I got 454x=3
@@swim_ad what?
Definitely 42
@@SO-ei1qv 42 is the answer but to know the question you are going to have to build a world sized computer. At least the is what The Hitch Hikers guide to the Univers says. Oh and Don't Panic it says it on the cover.
On your comments, regarding what would be found in the future. When you said Mt Rushmore, I was also thinking about the seed and oreo "vaults" that are claimed to be build into mountains. Generally speaking wouldn't other human structures built into stone or cave systems likely survive in some capacity? Albeit maybe weathered.