Destiny, Check out Peter's interview with Mrs. Dansky. When he tells you her story, he says the woman followed her in the restroom and that's why she gave the 9 out of 10 for women being in danger. However, if you go to 27 minutes in to the interview with Kara Dansky, you find out she went in to the bathroom after the woman went in there. Kara Danksy basically followed that woman in to the bathroom and saw her in there and freaked out.
I'm posting two parts because TH-cam really doesn't like long comments (They often don't post): Her story has that she was at a restaurant/bar where she knew the owner. The owner had three daughters who were there (Odd detail). She felt a male presence next to her (Because she says women can feel that). It was a guy (her words) with pink nail polish, blond hair, and tote bags (7 total). They ordered their drink and sat down at a table behind her. She then saw that they were gone after awhile and went to the restroom. She saw his pink toenail polish under the stale and freaked out. She went and told the owner who was also freaked out but he couldn't do anything. Compare this to Peter's version where she is followed in to the restroom: *"She told me a story about this trans woman in other words a man who followed her into a bathroom"* It seems Peter hears something and either lies or morphs it in to what he wants the story to be.
@@nathanponzar3816how would him going into his bisexuality make his self image less bloated? He dates women, for the sake of this convo he's straight. Why would he do a 10 min dive into how he sleeps with men sometimes, but not with super gay men, but he dates women... And if you claim he does it to appear right, how did that answer make him appear right, it's literally an idle question
Jordan Peterson won't debate? He debated the Canadian parliament. He's debated all manner of high-profile reporters. He's debated what was supposed to be the best left-wing minds on free speech. And he debated Destiny, where you didn't end up looking that great.
Yeah. And Crowder has been doing Change my mind forever where he tries to have tough debates - and even keeps them civil. Destiny is wrong a lot, but at least he’s talking.
@@-Thunder "Destiny is wrong a lot, but at least he’s talking". I hope that isn't your standard for picking a doctor. Personally, I try to listen to commentators who are seldom wrong and if they are wrong, they're willing to make corrections. If I wanted to get wrong information, I'd listen to CNN.
@@craigsaunders7037 I don't listen to Destiny hardly at all. I don't actually believe he cares about the truth on a lot of critical topics. But at least he's not gone full Antifa. And my doctor won't let any of her patients take the jab, so I think I chose pretty wisely there.
@@-Thunder " I don't actually believe he cares about the truth on a lot of critical topics. But at least he's not gone full Antifa". I see you're a glass half full sort of guy.
I still can't understand the whole stance that "your truth" is what matters. Truth is just that, THE TRUTH. Meaning a singular truth. It is true that not all subjects are equally fair, however that isn't a reason to manufacture a false truth that fits your narrative.
It makes sense why Destiny has no moral issue with being dishonest. He genuinely doesn't see it as being untruthful. I wonder if he rationalizes it with a concept of the greater good.
He chuckles at the idea of kids becoming trans after the idea is praised by society... meanwhile ridiculous percentages of kids now think they're trans.
I think he was just trying to say "I mostly go for women" type sentiment (hence "kinda") but i would still agree it's a little weird because he normally just owns it. Maybe he just didn't want to dig into sexuality at all and glossed over it.
He’s basically explaining why being loyal to a party is just a cope because you’re incapable of assessing what’s directly in front of you. A party is an idea but it’s lead by people whose ideas start to change when they get more power because they think everybody likes them. No matter what. Justin Trudeau for example.
no... justin trudeau is just a face. I knew some people on the trudeau foundation. They all thought he was a moron but like a car they can drive. Hez one if the best examples if a puppet we have This is why he wont quit Hes just yhe pretty face charisma The party had all of this planned and they are authiritarian as he is there are no good huys in a party that is 50% WEF members
i was told by trudeau foundation people this before he was leader. hes just a name and a face he memorizes lines and this is why he never answers questions but talks a lot. yhe media is funded by him he never talks to non funded media
Man, my parents (mother) was unhappy with my best friend (black) in middle school and I basically said "This is my best friend, so.... deal with it." If you are correct, they will accept. If it is questionable they will reject but it is up to you to fight for it.
Destiny is the epitome of someone who as he gets older realizes many of his beliefs from the last ten years are nonsense but will defend them even more ardently moving forward and not admit it to themselves because it would effectively invalidate a lot of time in his life that he cant get back and shakes his foundations to his core.
I've experienced the same thing. I've done 175 episodes of my small podcast. Conservatives, anarchists, libertarians are ALWAYS willing to talk. Always willing to argue their point / discuss their ideas. I've had two "liberals" / "progressives" come on... and one of the two shied away from political talks. It's a weird phenomenon... I want to talk to people on the left. I want to hear / debate their ideas. But they, generally, for whatever reason, don't want to talk.
Because they have strong feelings about complex subjects that they don't really know the real details about so they look stupid. They are just following the crowd that makes them feel morally superior and righteous
I was thinking to myself while listening to this “This felt like destiny was talking to himself in the future” and right as I thought that Peter mentions how people say destiny is a younger version of him
What an odd take. They are polar opposites. Destiny, at his core, is an ideolog. Peter's entire mission is to prevent people from becoming ideologs. Look at their views on truth here. Peter prioritizes truth above everything else. It's his profession. Destiny doesn't even find it to be relevant. How could two people with such a fundamentally different world views be similar?
This brief clip gave me a lot more respect for Boghossian, who I'd previously only known as a far-right culture warrior. But he seems rational, and that's a lot.
There’s absolutely nothing even “far-right” about Boghossian. I’m convinced that so many people have a. wrong definition of what “far right” actually is, and have digested the false definitions that the liberal media have given it - and are therefore misappropriating the term “far right” to people who are clearly not that.
Debates worked when you had a mostly homogenous nation that shared the same foundational characteristics: christianity and being european. Two disagreeing parties can debate before an audience of fellow countrymen who might disagree on whether or not the nation should have an official Church or have complete sepparation of Church and state. However, no one in the past would argue that the State should be devoid of christianity. If you have someone who wants a liberal atheistic society, then there's no debate to he had with christians because their positions are fundamentaly incompatible. Should they press christians on it, there would and there should be a civil war. Revolutionaties knew that which is why they went out of their way to subvert and weaken not just christianity but european identity itself, so then europeans would not resist being subjugated. The conclusion we should draw from it is that debates are not be held between enemies, but between friends. With enemies, you wage war.
Pretty much Truth has to be the center of a good debate. That becomes the issue if you believe as these two do that there are literally nothing that can be accepted as truth. It’s the endless discussion to establish what terms mean to even begin the discussion. And I get the pitfall of the logic I proposed but to assume nothing can be true unless you as an individual can prove it has no end and nothing is true
The paradox of tolerance is a legitimate idea though. You can abuse it with where you take it. But it's true. It's kind of like that one quote about any community pretending to be regarded just becomes a community where regards will think they've found their home. Rape for example or racism are examples of ideas that have been socially cancelled because they violate the paradox of tolerance and would corrode the social fabric such that intolerant, transgressive energy ends up targeting women or minorities. The paradox of tolerance is a legitimate consideration. But, as with all things needs to balance against other considerations.
Yeah I think it just comes down to the word tolerance and tolerant having multiple meanings that are all much more specific and context-based than we give them credit for but we like to use the emotional connotations of one meaning while using the other.
I thought it was good. A friendly digestible conversation on philosophy. If you want something deep or not about truth and culture wars then it's not for you.
@@hellsjamfleas I understand what you are saying, but I would like to state that philosophy isn’t inherently truth. It’s an examination. I tend to prefer objective truth and in many cases these discussions omit that.
@@AspiringDevil thanks I think I’ll give it a listen because i like Destiny and his work overall. That’s why I was sort of surprised by this discussion since it seems less substantial than some of the others “debates” he has had.
@@angelmujahid2233 That's fine but that wasn't what I was saying. I was just listing the main topics. I was just trying to say it wasn't massively deep. But interesting as a casual listener.
3:30 I’m not on the right anymore, but I think Destiny you’re wrong about this point. People like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Pettersson actually do have big debates with all sorts of people both Left and Right.
I'm a Conservative, not some Far Right religious wacko, just a normal guy that values free speech, free markets, reward for effort/merit, minimal government etc. Being Australian I also value traditionally Left leaning policies like taxpayer funded healthcare and education both for moral reasons and also an educated and healthy population are more valuable to the country, pay more tax and pay for those things in time anyway. I've always been tolerant of other people like most Aussies are, I honestly couldn't care less what you do with your body as long as it doesn't interfere with my life or work. Live and Let Live is my simple live motto. Personally, I don't like the word tolerant, that makes it sound like I have to constantly be vigilant or something, no, I just literally don't care so it takes no effort. When it comes to Trans people as far as I'm concerned if a workplace has a uniform or expected kind of dress, everyone must follow the rules, zero exceptions. Don't like it, quit. Right now, I'm sick of talking about these things. I have better things to spend my valuable time on. People on the Left think they're right about everything. I believe a society thrives when people can talk. If people are at polar opposites of a conversation, no consensus can ever be reached.
@@malirk Also, the steel man of the Hungary criticism was really weak. It's absolutely true that you can be doing something wrong even if you're not being paid to say something. If you take money to go, speak in a country to lend legitimacy to something terrible, even if all you're doing is saying what you think
It all comes down to people in the modern day clinging too tightly to political opinions such that it forms their identity, which is arguably the result of the hole left by religion.
Interesting point about the religious aspect. But I live in Finland, and we have VERY few people who actually believe in God and our political climate is a lot more chill. We have more unity through being Finnish, as opposed to identifying strongly with a political party as a uniting or dividing force. I don't know why Americans lack unity so much, but it is worrying to see that they can't get along as Americans first, politics second.
Why does Steven keep treating bi sexuality like it's straight? Not attacking him or anything, it's just... at best, bi sexual is "Half Straight". Just own it.
"Why do you care about the truth." I understand that this was asked to try and discus the heart of the idea, but there is a good reason to care about the truth. My answer: The truth is worth caring about because it's the most long term way to have a shared reality which is important for social cohesion and decision making. Reality is the truth. The truth is recurrent. Want a long term shared reality, share the truth. It's just that the truth isn't the only idea about reality we can share, it's just the only one that doesn't fall appart under long term scrutiny.
Remember guys, his first reaction to how his parents respond to his dates or girlfriends, was to side with the girlfriend over his parents. Sorry but that's fucked up for people who have good parents. And seeing how Destiny immediately isolates himself from his family soon after stops being "republican." So much for love
I think it's less cutting out your family and more "I'm drawing a boundary where if people can't be respectful and accepting of someone I'm trying to build a life with, I'm not going to let them keep being in my life until they change.". At that point, it's more on his parents if they can't learn to be respectful of his partner. I don't think anyonce can expect to just disrepect someones partner and still have that person want to maintian their relationship regardless you'know?
If you set a healthy boundary of “don’t trash-talk the person I’ve chosen to be with,” and your parents don’t respect that, then your parents AREN’T good parents. He specifically clarified what he meant/didn’t mean by that, and if this is still your takeaway, your parents are probably kind of shitty. Sorry man.
glad you have been pretty lucky to not have to deal with your parents berating/belittling your Love interest. Especially when your partner knows. It will always create an awkward environment. I was also on the receiving end as well and I had to tell my ex before "are you dating me or your parents" because they would listen to their mother a lot for the most random things.
@ataraxia7439 the only reason a family would be that rude to someone is they see something you don't see because your blind by love. It's not called setting a boundry if your family is looking out for you and majority of the time that is the case. It's extremely small chance for family to berate or belittle a love interest for no reason. If I ever see my family do that, then they see something I'm not seeing.
Good answer… but it doesn’t explain why leftists (other than Destiny, apparently) won’t talk to people like Boghossian or, say, the Triggernometry guys- who aren’t right wing but who agree to talk right wingers. So we get this bizarre situation where if you’re left wing, or you’re a centrist who agrees to talk to right wingers- well now you’ve been tainted by the right wing cooties and no one will talk to you again.
How many examples do you want before you'll agree people on the left actually do talk to people? David Pakman The two brothers Destiny debated with Kyle of secular talk Cenk of Young Turks Anna of Young Turks
Yes, there are people on the left who refuse to debate. There are also people on the right who refuse to debate. Do you remember Steven Crowder verses Sam Seder? Crowder wants to dunk on teenagers but won't speak to adults who understand the topics.
@@malirkbut these are people have careers around that and were talking to people before the world went crazy. On average most Lefty's will not talk with or will attempt to escape conversations with you. It's happened to me, even in non political conversations. Its like they hear that I don't agree with somethings, suddenly I am not safe to talk to anymore.
Destiny’s arguments always come down to his ‘feelings.’ Why is he still being put forward as a thought leader in debates where facts matter? Count the number of times he says I feel without specific data. Peter is guilty too. The ‘as I see things’ argument without specifics is elitist. ‘I am the authority, just trust me, and don’t ask me to provide and discuss facts which back up my position.’ This conversation is the perfect representation of why I no longer support the ideology of the left. I’m not sure what their moral foundation is. What moral authority would you have me look to for guidance and answers to some of life’s most basic question, for example, what is good? is your idea of good better than my idea of good? Who do you look to to resolve these inevitable disagreements? Who is your moral authority, Destiny?
I will say a part of what has always separated me socially from groups is a recognition that I can just leave and always feel confident that I can create happiness in a new space. I have never felt the need to conform to ideologies around me for the sake of enjoying some ephemeral sense of group connection. Nah - yall wanna steal from the store and I don’t wanna go to jail or think that’s a thrill peace - lol easy decision- peer pressure rarely has ever crossed my mind lol
I think a pursuit of truth is pretty reasonably built in to us evolutionarily. To evaluate any situation in which survival is instrument, the truth/reality of the situation is key to allowing us to survive. Less so today, but more so when we weren't civilised.
Am I the only one that notices Destiny's weird jaw movements when he's involved in a discussion with an ideological opponent? You don't see it when he's chilling with someone that partially agrees with him on foundational issues.
We currently have a massive population of people that don't think 3 simultaneous wars, border crisis and skyrocketing crime/inflation isn't an issue. Also the truth isnt an opinion, the truth IS THE TRUTH. Sometimes it sucks, but id rather be discomforted by the truth over comforted by false information.
That seems to be the virtue of ones that question everything endlessly. IMO it’s just the quest to prove your philosophy on life is not only okay but correct and nothing can be higher than you.
i really wish destiny would make more effort with his wardrobe and his appearance. i love seeing him appear on these pods but wish he was better presented.
@@Ookalaable It's a tech bro phenomenon where they dress super casual no matter the event. I find it a bit corny but here Tiny is dressed decent imo. Ig that's just his thing. Plus, he is a streamer so it wouldn't make sense for him to have a stylist.
@@Sid00077 Well unfortunately he's not a tech bro, he's a political voice/public speaker. I can't remember the last time I attended a lecture or conference where I saw a speaker in joggers and a bomber jacket. Why would being a streamer mean having a stylist doesnt make sense?... he pays a private chef, this is just another service.
i have hair that just goes nuts too... even moreso than destiny's ... actually he just looks like he doesnt brush it if i brush my hair it turns sort of like a scraggly fro My daughter laughs at my hair if i comb it Im told i just have to leave it
Destiny is so dishonest. Stephen Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson - none of whom I am overly fond of - have probably participated in over 1000 debates combined against their ideological adversaries over the last several years alone. How does Peter just let Destiny lie so overtly like this?
I don't disagree entirely with Destiny's first point, but he is being a little dubious by comparing people who want to debate with adults to people who want to indoctrinate kids. And Shapiro and Peterson will debate anyone anytime. Wtf is Destiny on? Wish Peter had pushed back on that.
I hope destiny does this guys pod cast every few months I don’t know him but it was a great way podcast. I feel like they have a lot of great conversations to come
In the absence of a religious or transcendental system, an instrumental or pragmatic conception of truth is unavoidable. What is true can only pertain to matters of fact, and matters of fact are completely meaningless in the absence of values, which cannot in themselves be matters of fact. There is no way around that.
Wow. Peterson, shapiro dont have hard core debates?!?!?! I guess this took place before destiny talked to peterson. Because it say destiny was laid bare in that interview.
The problem with ideology and group consensus is that a lot of it is tribalism. People pick a politic affiliation then treat it like their favorite football team, they end up supporting terrible people and ideas just because they have to support their tribe. The sad thing is that decisions that improve and better the country are suppressed in favor for not giving wins to the other tribal party. We're still oonga-boonga'ing.
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thank you for this link man, the end of this video is such a "beautiful" cliffhanger
Destiny,
Check out Peter's interview with Mrs. Dansky. When he tells you her story, he says the woman followed her in the restroom and that's why she gave the 9 out of 10 for women being in danger. However, if you go to 27 minutes in to the interview with Kara Dansky, you find out she went in to the bathroom after the woman went in there. Kara Danksy basically followed that woman in to the bathroom and saw her in there and freaked out.
Edging us with a cliffhanger so we go to the full vid is big brain
I'm posting two parts because TH-cam really doesn't like long comments (They often don't post):
Her story has that she was at a restaurant/bar where she knew the owner. The owner had three daughters who were there (Odd detail). She felt a male presence next to her (Because she says women can feel that). It was a guy (her words) with pink nail polish, blond hair, and tote bags (7 total). They ordered their drink and sat down at a table behind her. She then saw that they were gone after awhile and went to the restroom. She saw his pink toenail polish under the stale and freaked out. She went and told the owner who was also freaked out but he couldn't do anything.
Compare this to Peter's version where she is followed in to the restroom: *"She told me a story about this trans woman in other words a man who followed her into a bathroom"*
It seems Peter hears something and either lies or morphs it in to what he wants the story to be.
btw, for people trying to find where to pick up, it's right at the 20 minute mark.
soon my gayness will be buried by comments.
But not yet 😈
not on ny watch
Didn’t even have to scroll to find out you’re gay
So brave, so gay.
Impossible, kween
Peter: Your straight right?
Destiny: “yea, ye.., kindof… y-”
Peter: yea?
Destiny: yea
Best part of this is that they talked about adhering to truth before
“When you do philosophy the goal is to make everything queer and alien to you” 😂
@@domiro5295 No surprise. Destiny is more concerned with emerging from debates with bloated self-image intact than with arriving at the truth.
@@nathanponzar3816 Can you name an online politics person who isn't like that? 😅 At least destiny's videos are entertaining.
@@nathanponzar3816how would him going into his bisexuality make his self image less bloated? He dates women, for the sake of this convo he's straight. Why would he do a 10 min dive into how he sleeps with men sometimes, but not with super gay men, but he dates women... And if you claim he does it to appear right, how did that answer make him appear right, it's literally an idle question
"You're straight, right?" Peer pressured.
Bruh 😂
OBJECTION! Leading, your honor.
Well, Destiny clearly is a straight woman after all
@@lordn3m3sisjust like me fr
😂 I bet he said yes because it’s easier than explaining that he’s heteroromantic.
So courageous of Destiny to come out as straight. Mr. Mouton and Lycan are cryboning in the bg.
Destiny says he's straight, but every time he debates, it is like he's being pegged!!!🤔
Stevens jaw moves like south park canadian
I laughed so hard I forgot Destiny is a girl's name.
That's from all the "S"ing of the D!!!
He's not your friend, buddy. What's this all aboot?
It's that horrific goatee. It makes his mouth look like a hairy butt hole.
It’s because of all the amphetamines he takes for his “ADD”
Jordan Peterson won't debate? He debated the Canadian parliament. He's debated all manner of high-profile reporters. He's debated what was supposed to be the best left-wing minds on free speech. And he debated Destiny, where you didn't end up looking that great.
You are right. It is funny how he conveniently forgot about all of that.
Yeah. And Crowder has been doing Change my mind forever where he tries to have tough debates - and even keeps them civil. Destiny is wrong a lot, but at least he’s talking.
@@-Thunder "Destiny is wrong a lot, but at least he’s talking". I hope that isn't your standard for picking a doctor. Personally, I try to listen to commentators who are seldom wrong and if they are wrong, they're willing to make corrections. If I wanted to get wrong information, I'd listen to CNN.
@@craigsaunders7037 I don't listen to Destiny hardly at all. I don't actually believe he cares about the truth on a lot of critical topics. But at least he's not gone full Antifa. And my doctor won't let any of her patients take the jab, so I think I chose pretty wisely there.
@@-Thunder " I don't actually believe he cares about the truth on a lot of critical topics. But at least he's not gone full Antifa". I see you're a glass half full sort of guy.
I still can't understand the whole stance that "your truth" is what matters. Truth is just that, THE TRUTH. Meaning a singular truth. It is true that not all subjects are equally fair, however that isn't a reason to manufacture a false truth that fits your narrative.
Top five cringiest way to state something "My truth"... No, that's called "perspective". I hate when people say that.
It's always cringe when people out themselves as moral relativists and reject objectivity.
It makes sense why Destiny has no moral issue with being dishonest. He genuinely doesn't see it as being untruthful. I wonder if he rationalizes it with a concept of the greater good.
Peter Boghossian reminds me of detective Columbo. And that's an A+ compliment in my books.
He's not even a pimple on Columbo's ass... but he does act dumb
Buddy's jaw is moving more horizontally than it is vertically
Hes been talking like that for years and the adderal just made it worse.
He's not your buddy, guy!
@@Slanghappy I’m not your guy, pal!
@@JonezBBQ He’s not your pal, friend!
@@kylerBD - He's on an opiate. Probably pharmaceutical .
Clearly mr benghazi doesnt know how to cook which is why mr tortellini is getting grilled
I thought Benghazi bombed and Vermicelli was steaming...
Gotta be the funniest comment I've read in years haha!
He chuckles at the idea of kids becoming trans after the idea is praised by society... meanwhile ridiculous percentages of kids now think they're trans.
What percentage do you think are trans now?
why does destinys jaw go sideways when he talks? cant unsee.
Probably had an underbite as a child
Dammit, now I can't unsee either
Must be Canadian genes as evidenced by South Park
Uppers
@@Minotaur-ey2lg yep. I'd assume he's on some sort of stimulant script for adhd that's similar to meth, or he's just on meth.
Tiny not admitting to being Bi is a strange turn of events
I think he was just trying to say "I mostly go for women" type sentiment (hence "kinda") but i would still agree it's a little weird because he normally just owns it. Maybe he just didn't want to dig into sexuality at all and glossed over it.
“You’re straight right?”
“Yeah..kinda”
“Huh”
JLP moment
Amazin
That's why his wife left him....she wanted a real man
11:21 the truth finally comes out.
He’s basically explaining why being loyal to a party is just a cope because you’re incapable of assessing what’s directly in front of you. A party is an idea but it’s lead by people whose ideas start to change when they get more power because they think everybody likes them. No matter what. Justin Trudeau for example.
no... justin trudeau is just a face. I knew some people on the trudeau foundation. They all thought he was a moron but like a car they can drive.
Hez one if the best examples if a puppet we have
This is why he wont quit
Hes just yhe pretty face charisma
The party had all of this planned and they are authiritarian as he is
there are no good huys in a party that is 50% WEF members
i was told by trudeau foundation people this before he was leader.
hes just a name and a face
he memorizes lines and this is why he never answers questions but talks a lot.
yhe media is funded by him
he never talks to non funded media
"You're straight, right?"
"it's complicated"
This Steven Bertolli guy is so smart!
11:21 stop the cap mr. balotelli
How does Destiny look skinnier and fatter at the same time?
Drugs
Just needs better fitting clothes. Working out and a better haircut would help
Destiny was not born human. He was that white gold / black blue dress that transformed into a man.
Fat skinny. 😂
Ever since he started with amphetqmine hes looking worse and worse
Man, my parents (mother) was unhappy with my best friend (black) in middle school and I basically said "This is my best friend, so.... deal with it."
If you are correct, they will accept. If it is questionable they will reject but it is up to you to fight for it.
Destiny is the epitome of someone who as he gets older realizes many of his beliefs from the last ten years are nonsense but will defend them even more ardently moving forward and not admit it to themselves because it would effectively invalidate a lot of time in his life that he cant get back and shakes his foundations to his core.
Boghossian is a pretty sick name
It's Armenian, so I'll have to disagree
13:01 Who else thought he said, "Can I hold you?"
I've experienced the same thing. I've done 175 episodes of my small podcast. Conservatives, anarchists, libertarians are ALWAYS willing to talk. Always willing to argue their point / discuss their ideas. I've had two "liberals" / "progressives" come on... and one of the two shied away from political talks. It's a weird phenomenon... I want to talk to people on the left. I want to hear / debate their ideas. But they, generally, for whatever reason, don't want to talk.
Because they have strong feelings about complex subjects that they don't really know the real details about so they look stupid. They are just following the crowd that makes them feel morally superior and righteous
I was thinking to myself while listening to this “This felt like destiny was talking to himself in the future” and right as I thought that Peter mentions how people say destiny is a younger version of him
What an odd take. They are polar opposites. Destiny, at his core, is an ideolog. Peter's entire mission is to prevent people from becoming ideologs. Look at their views on truth here. Peter prioritizes truth above everything else. It's his profession. Destiny doesn't even find it to be relevant. How could two people with such a fundamentally different world views be similar?
That's a common misinterpretation of Poppler's paradox of tolerance that basically turns it into "we must censor it for your own safety."
The "Mr. Portecelli" meme is the funniest thing so far this year.
AKA Mr. Borelli in the thumbnail LOL
Just call it a fanatical religion already. Desriny dances around that obvious conclusion. He knows it.
This brief clip gave me a lot more respect for Boghossian, who I'd previously only known as a far-right culture warrior. But he seems rational, and that's a lot.
He was always a rational person, he had to be misrepresented by many because of the BS in academia he uncovered.
There’s absolutely nothing even “far-right” about Boghossian.
I’m convinced that so many people have a. wrong definition of what “far right” actually is, and have digested the false definitions that the liberal media have given it - and are therefore misappropriating the term “far right” to people who are clearly not that.
I grilled a hamburger yesterday and got about the same results as Peter grilling Destiny.
This was such an unbelievable dunk on Destiny. Major L for Destiny, holy shit.
Are... are you ok? The pink elephants you see are NOT real!
So happy Destiny is getting the attention he deserves
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Hello gosu, your vayne is best OCE
America needs to stop looking up to weak, overly emotional people. We need to get back or basics and ignore all the psycho babble.
I am sure Peter would be welcome to debate Sam Seder on MR any time.
That's a rough looking and stunningly oblivious 35 years!!😂
Really liked this conversation
Debates worked when you had a mostly homogenous nation that shared the same foundational characteristics: christianity and being european.
Two disagreeing parties can debate before an audience of fellow countrymen who might disagree on whether or not the nation should have an official Church or have complete sepparation of Church and state.
However, no one in the past would argue that the State should be devoid of christianity.
If you have someone who wants a liberal atheistic society, then there's no debate to he had with christians because their positions are fundamentaly incompatible.
Should they press christians on it, there would and there should be a civil war.
Revolutionaties knew that which is why they went out of their way to subvert and weaken not just christianity but european identity itself, so then europeans would not resist being subjugated.
The conclusion we should draw from it is that debates are not be held between enemies, but between friends. With enemies, you wage war.
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Pretty much
Truth has to be the center of a good debate. That becomes the issue if you believe as these two do that there are literally nothing that can be accepted as truth. It’s the endless discussion to establish what terms mean to even begin the discussion.
And I get the pitfall of the logic I proposed but to assume nothing can be true unless you as an individual can prove it has no end and nothing is true
The paradox of tolerance is a legitimate idea though. You can abuse it with where you take it. But it's true. It's kind of like that one quote about any community pretending to be regarded just becomes a community where regards will think they've found their home.
Rape for example or racism are examples of ideas that have been socially cancelled because they violate the paradox of tolerance and would corrode the social fabric such that intolerant, transgressive energy ends up targeting women or minorities.
The paradox of tolerance is a legitimate consideration. But, as with all things needs to balance against other considerations.
Yeah I think it just comes down to the word tolerance and tolerant having multiple meanings that are all much more specific and context-based than we give them credit for but we like to use the emotional connotations of one meaning while using the other.
Dude what? Jordan Peterson debates any and every leftist academic out there...he debated destiny and utterly humiliated him intellectually
Excellent discussion
Hope all your friends and family are fine given the rounds of tornadoes
Sclerotic notions...great phrase!
This was an odd unproductive conversation. Would this become more coherent if I listen to the podcast fully?
I thought it was good. A friendly digestible conversation on philosophy.
If you want something deep or not about truth and culture wars then it's not for you.
A bit. The podcast is good as a whole but there are a couple speed bumps. This & the grifter discussion.
@@hellsjamfleas I understand what you are saying, but I would like to state that philosophy isn’t inherently truth. It’s an examination. I tend to prefer objective truth and in many cases these discussions omit that.
@@AspiringDevil thanks I think I’ll give it a listen because i like Destiny and his work overall. That’s why I was sort of surprised by this discussion since it seems less substantial than some of the others “debates” he has had.
@@angelmujahid2233 That's fine but that wasn't what I was saying. I was just listing the main topics.
I was just trying to say it wasn't massively deep. But interesting as a casual listener.
3:30 I’m not on the right anymore, but I think Destiny you’re wrong about this point. People like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Pettersson actually do have big debates with all sorts of people both Left and Right.
I'm a Conservative, not some Far Right religious wacko, just a normal guy that values free speech, free markets, reward for effort/merit, minimal government etc. Being Australian I also value traditionally Left leaning policies like taxpayer funded healthcare and education both for moral reasons and also an educated and healthy population are more valuable to the country, pay more tax and pay for those things in time anyway. I've always been tolerant of other people like most Aussies are, I honestly couldn't care less what you do with your body as long as it doesn't interfere with my life or work. Live and Let Live is my simple live motto. Personally, I don't like the word tolerant, that makes it sound like I have to constantly be vigilant or something, no, I just literally don't care so it takes no effort. When it comes to Trans people as far as I'm concerned if a workplace has a uniform or expected kind of dress, everyone must follow the rules, zero exceptions. Don't like it, quit. Right now, I'm sick of talking about these things. I have better things to spend my valuable time on.
People on the Left think they're right about everything. I believe a society thrives when people can talk. If people are at polar opposites of a conversation, no consensus can ever be reached.
You debate when you have arguments to support your claims.
You cancel people when your arguments cannot withstand opposition.
You should have grilled him harder on the orban and Hungary stuff
Being a grifter is definitely when someone pays you to have certain views. There is strong evidence of this with Peter.
@@malirk Also, the steel man of the Hungary criticism was really weak. It's absolutely true that you can be doing something wrong even if you're not being paid to say something. If you take money to go, speak in a country to lend legitimacy to something terrible, even if all you're doing is saying what you think
Democrats are psychotic when it comes to Hungary. It's a lovely country. Makes the US look like a dump if I'm honest.
@@malirkactually schizo accusation.
Just when Steve was starting to look good, he falls right back into his pencil salesman aesthetic
steve?
didnt his stripper mother name him after her?
It all comes down to people in the modern day clinging too tightly to political opinions such that it forms their identity, which is arguably the result of the hole left by religion.
Interesting point about the religious aspect. But I live in Finland, and we have VERY few people who actually believe in God and our political climate is a lot more chill. We have more unity through being Finnish, as opposed to identifying strongly with a political party as a uniting or dividing force. I don't know why Americans lack unity so much, but it is worrying to see that they can't get along as Americans first, politics second.
"Humans are not naturally Truth seeking beings"... Destiny never said anything more true than that
Why does Steven keep treating bi sexuality like it's straight? Not attacking him or anything, it's just... at best, bi sexual is "Half Straight". Just own it.
Because he's embarrassed of himself.
@@JonezBBQMaybe he didn't want to get into the specifics of his 25% homosexuality?
Because people like Peter here will derail the conversation to talk about him not being straight
@@0_oblivion_02 Oh so he's only 25% embarrassed.
Mr. Nogaycelli
"Why do you care about the truth."
I understand that this was asked to try and discus the heart of the idea, but there is a good reason to care about the truth. My answer:
The truth is worth caring about because it's the most long term way to have a shared reality which is important for social cohesion and decision making.
Reality is the truth. The truth is recurrent. Want a long term shared reality, share the truth. It's just that the truth isn't the only idea about reality we can share, it's just the only one that doesn't fall appart under long term scrutiny.
how do we do the work as individuals to build up a unique identity from the ground up while avoiding worldviews and ideas we pick up along the way?
Using critical thinking and challenging your own thoughts and beliefs
@@tiktokexposed898Humility & intellectual integrity
Regardless of their opinion i am always happy to see a civil conversation !
Lame, that's boring.
I like shouting matches!
Someone using the term Christian Nationalist is as revealing as someone calling something woke.
Imagine calling Peter boghossian a Nazi and/or a grifter.
They just can't,they have disorder about this.
Remember guys, his first reaction to how his parents respond to his dates or girlfriends, was to side with the girlfriend over his parents. Sorry but that's fucked up for people who have good parents. And seeing how Destiny immediately isolates himself from his family soon after stops being "republican." So much for love
I think it's less cutting out your family and more "I'm drawing a boundary where if people can't be respectful and accepting of someone I'm trying to build a life with, I'm not going to let them keep being in my life until they change.". At that point, it's more on his parents if they can't learn to be respectful of his partner. I don't think anyonce can expect to just disrepect someones partner and still have that person want to maintian their relationship regardless you'know?
If you set a healthy boundary of “don’t trash-talk the person I’ve chosen to be with,” and your parents don’t respect that, then your parents AREN’T good parents.
He specifically clarified what he meant/didn’t mean by that, and if this is still your takeaway, your parents are probably kind of shitty. Sorry man.
glad you have been pretty lucky to not have to deal with your parents berating/belittling your Love interest. Especially when your partner knows. It will always create an awkward environment.
I was also on the receiving end as well and I had to tell my ex before "are you dating me or your parents" because they would listen to their mother a lot for the most random things.
If that's your takeaway from what he said, you completely misunderstood.
@ataraxia7439 the only reason a family would be that rude to someone is they see something you don't see because your blind by love. It's not called setting a boundry if your family is looking out for you and majority of the time that is the case. It's extremely small chance for family to berate or belittle a love interest for no reason. If I ever see my family do that, then they see something I'm not seeing.
Good answer… but it doesn’t explain why leftists (other than Destiny, apparently) won’t talk to people like Boghossian or, say, the Triggernometry guys- who aren’t right wing but who agree to talk right wingers. So we get this bizarre situation where if you’re left wing, or you’re a centrist who agrees to talk to right wingers- well now you’ve been tainted by the right wing cooties and no one will talk to you again.
Because it’s leftist dogma. You can’t debate away cult mentality. And that’s exactly what the left is.
How many examples do you want before you'll agree people on the left actually do talk to people?
David Pakman
The two brothers Destiny debated with
Kyle of secular talk
Cenk of Young Turks
Anna of Young Turks
Yes, there are people on the left who refuse to debate. There are also people on the right who refuse to debate. Do you remember Steven Crowder verses Sam Seder? Crowder wants to dunk on teenagers but won't speak to adults who understand the topics.
@@malirki think you can understand why nobody wants to talk to sam seder, right? Are you for real a sam seder fan? Emma vigeland too?
@@malirkbut these are people have careers around that and were talking to people before the world went crazy. On average most Lefty's will not talk with or will attempt to escape conversations with you. It's happened to me, even in non political conversations. Its like they hear that I don't agree with somethings, suddenly I am not safe to talk to anymore.
Destiny picks up a new word from nearly every debate. My man has proclivities in his pocket! Love hearing about the guard rails too.
Peter is a wonderful person and I love his obsession with truth. I have philosophy degree and it makes me so happy to see critical thinking.
Destiny’s arguments always come down to his ‘feelings.’ Why is he still being put forward as a thought leader in debates where facts matter? Count the number of times he says I feel without specific data.
Peter is guilty too. The ‘as I see things’ argument without specifics is elitist. ‘I am the authority, just trust me, and don’t ask me to provide and discuss facts which back up my position.’
This conversation is the perfect representation of why I no longer support the ideology of the left. I’m not sure what their moral foundation is. What moral authority would you have me look to for guidance and answers to some of life’s most basic question, for example, what is good? is your idea of good better than my idea of good? Who do you look to to resolve these inevitable disagreements?
Who is your moral authority, Destiny?
Has bonneli ever asked peter about his hypocrisy in regards with freedom of speech, hungary, his love of said regime, etc?
11:20 🤔
I will say a part of what has always separated me socially from groups is a recognition that I can just leave and always feel confident that I can create happiness in a new space. I have never felt the need to conform to ideologies around me for the sake of enjoying some ephemeral sense of group connection.
Nah - yall wanna steal from the store and I don’t wanna go to jail or think that’s a thrill peace - lol easy decision- peer pressure rarely has ever crossed my mind lol
Mr. Banelli....
I think a pursuit of truth is pretty reasonably built in to us evolutionarily. To evaluate any situation in which survival is instrument, the truth/reality of the situation is key to allowing us to survive. Less so today, but more so when we weren't civilised.
Balance that with fear of being ostracized by The Tribe / Need for Group Security
Am I the only one that notices Destiny's weird jaw movements when he's involved in a discussion with an ideological opponent? You don't see it when he's chilling with someone that partially agrees with him on foundational issues.
Yes, I think it’s just a subconscious body language thing
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you from bako bro? hell yeah brother lmao
@@fuzz4173nah its just bakersfield is like the satans asshole of cities in california so its a big deal if they mention us lol
We currently have a massive population of people that don't think 3 simultaneous wars, border crisis and skyrocketing crime/inflation isn't an issue.
Also the truth isnt an opinion, the truth IS THE TRUTH. Sometimes it sucks, but id rather be discomforted by the truth over comforted by false information.
Peter, he lied to you when you asked him a leading question if he was straight. He does not care about truth.
That seems to be the virtue of ones that question everything endlessly. IMO it’s just the quest to prove your philosophy on life is not only okay but correct and nothing can be higher than you.
And the name!!!
i really wish destiny would make more effort with his wardrobe and his appearance. i love seeing him appear on these pods but wish he was better presented.
He is dressed pretty nice here. At least he is not wearing his pajamas like he used to.
@@Sid00077 it's not the worst. still not amazing. With the amount of money he has I don't know why you just wouldn't hire a stylist.
@@Ookalaable It's a tech bro phenomenon where they dress super casual no matter the event. I find it a bit corny but here Tiny is dressed decent imo. Ig that's just his thing. Plus, he is a streamer so it wouldn't make sense for him to have a stylist.
@@Sid00077 Well unfortunately he's not a tech bro, he's a political voice/public speaker. I can't remember the last time I attended a lecture or conference where I saw a speaker in joggers and a bomber jacket.
Why would being a streamer mean having a stylist doesnt make sense?... he pays a private chef, this is just another service.
i have hair that just goes nuts too... even moreso than destiny's ... actually he just looks like he doesnt brush it
if i brush my hair it turns sort of like a scraggly fro
My daughter laughs at my hair if i comb it
Im told i just have to leave it
Jordan Peterson does not have hardcore debates? The losing ideology when challenging JP would make such a claim to justify the debate lose.
Jorden Peterson has had 1000 s of hard core debates
People on the right and left, regardless of the time peroid has always made the claim that violent video games cause violence.
Destiny is so dishonest. Stephen Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson - none of whom I am overly fond of - have probably participated in over 1000 debates combined against their ideological adversaries over the last several years alone.
How does Peter just let Destiny lie so overtly like this?
Truet is important. No truth = no justice for a victim of crime. No truth = every one can lie blame and shame this can lead to totalitarian regime
Why is there a grown man that calls himself destiny?
That turbo speak is not normal. But neither is Destiny
I don't disagree entirely with Destiny's first point, but he is being a little dubious by comparing people who want to debate with adults to people who want to indoctrinate kids.
And Shapiro and Peterson will debate anyone anytime. Wtf is Destiny on?
Wish Peter had pushed back on that.
I hope destiny does this guys pod cast every few months
I don’t know him but it was a great way podcast.
I feel like they have a lot of great conversations to come
I have zero understanding why Krystal and Kyle won't talk to Peter Boghossian.
Peter Bug Ocean
Extreme color grading w the blue and red
Yeahhh idgaf. She put her name on the lease, he's not responsible. They broke up. They were not married. Goodbye
I can't believe Destiny wouldn't wear sweats for such a serious conversation
In the absence of a religious or transcendental system, an instrumental or pragmatic conception of truth is unavoidable. What is true can only pertain to matters of fact, and matters of fact are completely meaningless in the absence of values, which cannot in themselves be matters of fact. There is no way around that.
Wow. Peterson, shapiro dont have hard core debates?!?!?!
I guess this took place before destiny talked to peterson. Because it say destiny was laid bare in that interview.
There’s nothing straight about this video
It najes sense why Destiny has no moral issue witg being dishonest. He genuinely doesn't prioritize truth. What an interesting person.
Wish the mouth didn't move in circles
C_k_ jaw
It's an easy answer it's because they know they can't backup thier lies. One truth one fact and it's all crumble
since when is des tiny straight 🤧
Melina took half of Destiny's sexuality in the divorce. That's rough.
Destiny probably should not have mentioned Jordan Peterson after how poorly there interaction went.
The problem with ideology and group consensus is that a lot of it is tribalism. People pick a politic affiliation then treat it like their favorite football team, they end up supporting terrible people and ideas just because they have to support their tribe. The sad thing is that decisions that improve and better the country are suppressed in favor for not giving wins to the other tribal party. We're still oonga-boonga'ing.