DON'T BUY THIS CAR - 2012-2014 Honda CRV
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ธ.ค. 2021
- Well I hate to have to make a video like this, but in the interest of looking out for those of you shopping the used car market and thinking that all Honda's are reliable, good vehicles, I had to warn you! The 4th generation Honda CR-V and 08-12 Honda Accord with the same 2.4 engine suffers from a pretty common fault. The VCT actuator starts to go bad and a loud grind or metal on metal sound emits from the engine on cold starts, usually first thing in the morning. This problem usually starts only on very cold mornings when the vehicle has not run for a while and all the oil has run down out of the top of the motor and then gets worse and worse until it is doing it all the time. In my case, I paid a Honda dealer almost $1,000 dollars to replace the VTC actuator just to have the problem come back a month and 2,000 miles later. Unfortunately this is a common scenario and although Honda has released 2 different service bulletins to dealers concerning the issue, instructing them to replace the actuator with a revised part, it usually fails also. If you want to buy a great CR-V, try to find a lower mileage 2005-2006 CRV. They are the best • 2005 - 2006 Honda CRV ...
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I have to disagree with you. I have a 2012 CRV. Yes I had a bad VTC actuator as well but I replaced it myself (not that difficult) for under $200 using Honda parts. Been over a year and the startup noise is still gone. Saying the entire car is bad for a $200 fix (if you do it yourself) is crazy. 160k miles I have had no other issues with my 2012 CRV, I’m the original owner as well.
How long did it take you to do it yourself?
@@spritemoney less than a day. I worked slow. Also, I didn’t take the camshafts off. There is one or two TH-cam videos showing the process without removing the cams. This method is better.
This is very much a “throw the baby out with bath water” approach in the video. People have got used to ultra reliable vehicles and complaining about problems with 10 year old cars with 100K+ miles on them. Any one old enough to remember cars from the 80s, they would literally disintegrate before 10 years of driving.
@@wcg66 Cars started to be reliable due to implementation of OBD in cars starting 95-96. It made manufactures make robust engines due to emission systems, fuel injection, etc. best of all it made it easy for your regular joe to repair their own cars.
He nailed it with this video. Honda has gone downhill. Some have problems maybe others don’t staying away from Honda
The 2014 CR-V 1.6 i-DTEC Diesel (built in UK) was the best car I ever had. Solid, economical, reliable, brilliantly engineered. I put 232,000 km on it without any issues other than wear and tear. This car turned me into a HONDA fanboy (now in a European HR-V Hybrid). I have owned many cars from Toyota, Mitsubishi, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Opel, Citroen, Peugeot, Buick... Nothing comes close to the quality of a HONDA, that is my experience.
No honda diesels in north america
totally different engine! do you actually hear what he has to say ?
Brilliant. I have a 2017 Civic with this engine (tweaked slightly differently I imagine) and fully intend to get a 2014 or so CRV. Really looking forward to getting it.
Agree!
As of January 2022, "A Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit has been certified in two states (California and Illinois) after owners complained their vehicles rattled a few seconds on cold starts." "According to the plaintiffs, Honda injured them by failing to tell them about defective variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator 14310-R44-A01 in these models."
Where can we get more info on this? I’m in California and this is an issue I’m having
I just paid Honda $1900.00
. getting this done. VTC Actuator.🥴🥴
C’monnn Virginia!!!!
Cmonn ohio
any info on getting in on the ILL. suit? what is the warranty on the VTC any way?
I have the '14 CRV and it's been one of the best cars I've ever owned. Honestly, I mean if someone had one like mine and it ran the exact same way they'd be crazy to complain about it. Mine has 325,684 mi and going strong. It's made "The Noise" a little bit before 200k mi. I'd be happy with it for a daily driver car to beat up on.
How many miles did it have when you bought it?
I own a 14 CRV I don’t have any complaints about it. I’m happy with my car. 👍🏻
Wow, our ‘14 CRV has just over 80k on it, and is an excellent vehicle indeed!
I agree with you. 😊
I have a 2015 CRV and over 140k on it alls I've had to do is replace the starter so far.
As a honda mechanic I have found out that the timing chain tensioner goes bad because they changed the position of the sprocket (vvt sprocket is on left side causing a lots of wear on the tensioner), but is an easy replacement.
Agreed. This happened to me on my 2016. The belt tension was bad . Replaced it and never heard this rattle noise again
i have a 2012 crv with 140k miles and never getting mechanical problems it seems good to me
We replaced the complete transmission at 134,000 miles in November 2019. Not sure if that included the VCT Actuator. Now at 265,000 it Definitely Still Makes That Noise and Definitely Burns Oil. We bought it from CarMax in November 2016 with 40,000.
Any class action suit we’re in!
I have a 2014 Crv Ex with the VTC actuator defect as well. I had it replaced at Honda, but it came back. I stopped caring about it. 185,000 miles later it still runs great. I regularly drive it 500 miles to school from my parents house. It starts every time, and none of my passengers comment on it.
Change oil every 6 months and yiu get another 200K out of it.
Same. Sent to service. Came back with the same rattle
Wow... i had to argue my dealership for days to get them to even acknowledge the issue then finally fix it under warranty. Thank you for making this video!!
what year was your CRV and when did you get it fixed for free. Mine in 2014. I had this problem all along from the first year onwards. wondering if they would fix mine now. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks!
Been using CRV 2013, 1st owner, no issues at all. It's a little underpowered if compared to my other cars, but it's not a big issue.
Me too I have a twenty thirteen and I have no problems with the theater
Any racing part could fix that? Let me know bc I had same problem
Thank you, Jack. I will pay attention for this noise on my ‘16 accord.
Just upgraded to a 2014 crv ex from my 2004 crv which has been great up to 175k miles with no issues. The 2014 doesn't have the vct rattle... yet... but so far I really like it. I'm a mechanic and have seen a few stretched chains/ vct actuator problems on these gen 4s but still didn't deter me from buying one. Mine has 67k on it now so hopefully I have some time before I see this issue. Great informative video btw
Just go with a original Honda chain once it streches I replaced mine at 195,000 with an aftermarket and it broke it now at 216,000 I redid it with an original Honda everything
I had mine fail at 80K miles. I'm at 150K miles and get a slight rattle at startup now. Two points might interest you as a mechanic. First, I asked the head mechanic at the dealer about the possibility of any good will warranty? He told me that Honda won't tell you this, but they stopped offering any help with repairs as the repair is fairly complex, and you need to take your time and follow the procedure EXACTLY as you will have a repeated failure, if you just slam the new parts in. He claimed Honda grew tired of paying for the same good will repair repeatedly, since their techs would not do the work correctly. Second, I had all of my repairs done by a really talented independent tech. who took his time and did it right. I have 70K and three years since the repair, and it looks another chain and actuator will be required in the next year or two. I agree with the conclusions of Jack of all trades, there is a design flaw here that can't be corrected with any revised part swaps, or better maintenance.
I don’t know if this helps but… I bought a 2012 in September and this has happened to me on cold starts. Researched it and seen everything everyone else has. What has been working for me is “half starting” the car (for lack of a better term). Basically, turning the key like I’m starting the car without letting the car turn over and completely starting. I’ll do this 2-4 times (depending how cold it is) and then fully start the vehicle and no rattle whatsoever when I do this. My theory (which may not be valid because I’m no mechanic just a general interest in cars) is this will at least initiate the oil pump and getting some oil to the actuator. Again, not sure if that’s a real world solution but it has worked for me every morning cold start for the past two weeks. The wether here in the mornings are usually high teens and low to mid twenties for the past couple weeks and no issue. Before I did this it would happen every single morning like clockwork. Any feedback would be awesome!! Good luck everyone
My granddaughter's 2014 consumes oil and has the VTC rattle at start up with 162,000 miles. I had Hondas most of my life. I'm 76. Now I'm done with them and driving a Toyota.
@@kerrykerry5778 so do you suggest not buying one of these? I'm looking at buying a used 2014 CRV-EX right now with 101K but now reconsidering....
I have similar issues with my 2008 accord. They fixed it once under warranty after multiple request, and the problem re-surface again soon after, just like you. But, this time, I was already outside warranty period. I decided to leave it as is but it appears over time the problem gets worse for me and the engine started burning oil. Like you, Honda never admit anything wrong with the engine, but I found out about the service bulletin too at the time. Not sure if I am going to fix it or just sell it at this point. I am weighing my option. I bought my car new back then. I am in the midwest area.
The 05 and 06 with timing chains and same engine dont have the accuator io tensioner issue..so why is that part better and can you use it instead of the one thats in the 13 - 16 models that suffer greatly with this issue.?
Thanks for your video on this issue! Very well done.
Sidebar: What kind of sound microphone system did you use? I’d like to use the same thing because your sound comes though very clear and little background noise. Thanks! Tim
Just the built in microphone on the GoPro hero 7
Honda CRv are the best cars on the market. 100 % recommended.
I have a 2014 Honda CRV and the VTC actuator needed to be replaced at 41k. I did it myself using a Non OEM part looking for a more quality part. The procedure isn’t easy and you have to be careful not to slip the timing. I currently have 62 k on my Honda with no VTC actuator problems. Buy the way, some Toyotas and Fords have the same problems.
Have you seen the Chrisfix video on changing the vtc actuator? I watched it and am thinking of doing it myself to my mom's car
I have a friend who has a 2014 CRV with 112,000 miles and broke down on her. Dealership is saying engine is bad . Could this problem possibly have caused it? She's thinking about having a used engine installed but now that I seen this I don't know if she should. Sounds like same thing could happen all over again . Thanks for the video I hadn't seen this anywhere else.
Probably didn’t change the oil enough, if you wait for the idiot light it’s too late
The rattle occurs because the locking pin is not held in place due to weak spring tension on startup. Noise can be fixed by replacing the spring only if your issue is truly the VTC. I believe that the rattle returns even when the part is replaced due to the spring tension getting weaker. YMMV.
That's what I read also. The noise comes back.
Any way we can add a stiffer spring?
How far does one have to dig into the engine to fix this spring?
@@daveengstrom9250 Not very far, valve cover comes off, 5 torx bolts on the cover of the VTC actuator and thats all - the spring can be removed and replaced. Hardest part is removing those torx bolts.
2012 crv....had the actuator replaced late fall 2021 at Saratoga Honda ...my cost of course....driven around 3k miles and it just started doing it again mid March 2022...erh! Thanks for the video and glad to know it is not just my hunk of junk that has the problem
I have also a 2012, replaced the VTC Actuator like 60k miles ago, still working fine.
2012-2014 CRV also has serious issues with ac compressors and transmissions. The torque converters fail prematurely and there is a recall this year 2022 for the park -interlock on CRv and other Honda vehicles
I have the 2013 Honda CRV and have the same issues with the noisy cold starts and the engine is burning oil. A mechanic recently told me that the timing chain was stretched. Not sure if if I will keep the vehicle or try and trade it in for something else. Thanks for sharing this video.
I bet you didn’t change or check the oil enough?
@@rmo4222 maybe. I followed the instructions. The car keeps track of the oil life %. I changed it when it got low. I have replaced the timing chain and the variable timing gear. Hopefully it will last for a few more years.
Your description makes me wonder if the spring behind the actuator pin get replaced? Has it happened again? Do we have a clue about the nature of the defect? Where did it all go wrong?
I bought my 14 in 2017.. haven’t had any issues with it except for the VTC. Our Honda dealer has been refusing to fix the VTC ever since we got it in 2017. Otherwise besides that it hasn’t had a single issue. Gave the car to my parents and I use their old 2008 crv currently.
Call Honda directly. Bypass dealer. See what Honda will negotiate with you.
have owned our 2013 CRV for about 5 years. bought used with around 70K. It has always made this noise on cold starts and I had researched it and came to learn it was a known issue on this model with no fix. So, we pretty much ignore it. It does sound concerning though. Like you I've seen arguments both ways, it can cause damage, or it won't cause damage. Appreciated your video explaining the new part didn't solve the issue as I've been on the fence because it's a costly repair for non mechanically inclined people.
2014 CRV - I've got the same problem. I've found that if I bump it over once before I let it start cold this never happens. Not great, but at least I don't feel like I'm tearing my engine up. My used car dealer also gave me $500 toward fixing it when I explained the problem.
I'm upset too, Honda needs to take responsibility for this. Not buying another Honda, but honestly I like the car and will drive it many more years.
Thanks for the info
Could you point me in the direction of the facelift mods? I have a 2013 I’d like to add this to.
th-cam.com/video/AsvnZrhZu2Q/w-d-xo.html
At 45000 miles, our driver's side heater on our 2013 CRV stopped putting out heat while driving to Minnesota in February several years ago. Our son was able to get us in to a Honda dealer when we arrived that evening in St. Paul. The tech writer told us that there was a service bulletin on this. Evidently slag from the heater core casting process causes this. We had to rent a car from the Honda dealer so we could attend our grandson's music performance that evening. The next morning, we picked up our Honda after a $800 "flush"..I agree, Honda is no more the reliable manufacturer. We still have it, but only drive as a back up to our Mazda CX5..Honda lost a previous loyal customer after owning 11 Hondas...no more.
Is this car petrol or diesel or can it happen on both?
I own a 2013 CRV too and have the same startup noise during cold start every morning. The driver side vent is also not putting out heat.
How much mileage do you have
That's a common one with drivers side being cooler. I have to turn on my seat heater.
@@IAmBigKes The noise started around 50K, and the car is around 125K now. I just ignored the noise and it runs fine. Just flushed the heater core and the driver side vent heat is working again.
What about crv with diesel engine?
Had the same issue with my 2014 CR-V. Changed it January, only heard it twice in last month and that was it. It's a problem that just won't go away. Just have to use a good brand tensioner and it will last a little longer but it will come back eventually.
Is it hard to replace what brand tensioner did you use?
What headlights did you get?
thanks for the info. i have the same problem with my 13 CR-v Awd, where do i need to go to see if a recall on this car, i changed fluid in front and back, no fix, now on top there is a shudder at 25 mph in slow acceleration then it goes away, any suggestions? thank, keep up with videos.
Did you drain and fill transmission fluid multiple times? Usually takes 3 times with some driving in between to see if shudder goes away. If it doesnt most likely your torque converter is shot.
Our CR-V has had this noise since we bought it used. I never thought much of it since I originally thought that t was the direct injection system or similar. We’ve had the vehicle since 2018 with absolutely no issues other than noise on startup. I’m not dismissing the issue but the vehicle has been excellent in the four years we’ve had it. Even in your case, the only symptom you have is noise. It’s hardly left you stranded.
Does your crv have the serpentine belt and not the drive chain. I had a dry pulley. that may be your noise. A dry pulley shouldn't have happened either. I would report it to Honda America at their 900 number. I had low miles. 75,500 and just had 3 parts replaced. now it is quiet under the hood. Please share your experience.
All they need to do is make a heavy duty plunger and spring inside that vtc actuarial gear with time it weakens the spring so the plunger inside that gear won’t hold the oil pressure
My girlfriend just bought a 2014 2 weeks ago. 103k base model. I was looking up videos on how to add fog lights to it and stumble across this one. She had been complaining about this noise with occasional cold starts, but I was thinking it was a hung up starter. Didn't tear into it to figure it out but now I have my answer. Luckily she got a 3-year extended warranty on it from the dealer. Now I just have to fight them on it I'm sure
Mine had noise on cold start up too. If you have a serpentine belt, not the chain, you may have a dry pulley. Cost me 500.00 to get mine repaired/replaced 3 parts and labor. The car sounds so much better. Not as expensive as a drive chain repair but still should not have happened. I only have 75,500 miles. Let us know how it goes for you. I am still going to complain to Honda about this.
I haven't had time to go through all the comments, but does this have anything to do with the CR-Vs slowly losing oil too? I've seen the oil issue on a 2004 and a 2012? The 2004 eventually blew a piston and we had a used 50k engine put in it and it no longer uses oil. One of my kids owns the 2012 now and he still has to put a quart of oil in every couple thousand miles.
It does. Oil consumption can be caused by this issue, which then compounds the problem leading to premature engine failure.
Is this only on the 2.4 engine? Im in the UK and currently looking to purchase a 2013 with the 2.0 Ivtec manual thanks in advance
Yes, only the 2.4
I’m a Honda dealer mechanic and I can tell you the best Crv is the 07-09 years. When they first came out they had bunch of recalls and service bulletins , but Honda fixed them all . After that they were bulletproof(no burning oil or timing gear issues 😅)I still own a 09 model and very happy with it.
What about the 2011?
That Mickey Mouse rear trailing arm recall fix is a bit scary though
Not had the actuator issue on my late 2012 model in UK, but mine has a slight judder when moving off if the weather is cold. Not sure what it is.
Try changing the trans fluid a few times. You might get lucky. They have a known torque converter problem. If you catch it early fluid changes will fix it.
what about 2010-2011 does it have the same problem?
As you may know, the Honda CRV's are very popular among those that tow them behind motorhomes (as I do) and they rarely ever have a problem when doing so. Our's is the 2014 EX fwd, and the odd time it will make the actuator sound, but I've just gotten use to it doing so now and again. Other than the noise, in the six years we've had it, I've changed out the battery (still has the stock Michelin tires) as it's now at just over 80K miles. My wife loves driving it, and it's not bad on fuel and a great little car for running around town, or out on the interstate I've found. I may try going to a little higher viscosity of oil, to see if it makes a difference, but if not will drop down to where it's suppose to be. I do all oil changes at 5K and haven't had to touch a thing since getting it, so I sure can't complain.
Tires should be replaced @ 7 years old regardless of miliage or tread depth.
Guys, my CRVs is not giving comfortable ride.
Struts not leaking but im feeling every small bumbs on road .. should i change my structs?
Its 10 years old now.
What about the 2015 and 2016 CRV models? Do you think after the first years Honda made changes on the 15-16 models?
Depends on the engine.
I have a friend with a 2017 that did it to the point where the timing chain went out.
I just bought a 2014 crv 2 days ago and noticed a similar noise about every 5th time I start it...thought it was the starter.
Shouldn't there be a code if it's a VCT?
No code. Just noise until it destroys your timing chain, then you get codes.
I'm also wondering if a slightly heavier oil would help it build pressure or keep it lubricated better. I recently bought a 2014, and have this noise.
I've tried all the oils. Doesn't help
My wife purchased this car before we met with 90,xxx miles. 6 months into us dating I learned it was using 1 pint of oil every 1,000 miles and the entire time it had that horrible rattle. Thank goodness she bought it before we met and she just happened to purchase a bumper to bumper warranty so they replaced this vct actuator, timing chain tensioners, timing chain, “new updated pistons and rings,” front half shaft, and some other suspension part. I have always been a ford guy and have never had issues like this so not the best first impression of Honda. Especially with their reputation they are supposed to have. Now at 140,000 miles we need to replaced shocks and struts. Normal stuff but next car we buy I believe we are going to go back and find the lowest mile 2005 or 2006 crv.
Just add sea foam 4 oz to the engine and make 100 miles max 300 miles before the next oil change. i did, and it works my honda crv has 116 k miles and evry 1 k miles take 1 quter oil now after first time i added and changed oil i did 1800 miles no problem take about 1/3 quter.I will doit again after 3 k miles
Thank you for this important information. Presented well in detailed
I found that when below 45 degrees if I bump the starter a couple of times before starting there’s no rattle. Maybe the oil pump gets enough oil to the actuator to function correctly.
That's exactly what I do. Might get one or two rattles though the winter.
What does it meant to bump the starter?
@@husain6431 let the motor turn over with out starting. It don't take very long maybe a second or 2. After that crank and start like normal.
@@patrickthompson8913 and how does one "let the motor turn over without starting?" Is this something you can do from the driver's seat? Just turn the ignition on without starting it?
@@d.r.q.2032 it normally take a few seconds of the motor cranking to get it to start. I turn the key and maybe a second or 2 turn it back before it starts. Then just crank to start like normal. It is more wear and tear on the starter and somewhat the battery but it does keep it from rattling.
Hello Jack
I have same issue in my 2013 cr-v. And also it has loose the pickup as well. What should i do. Pleaseet me know.
How many miles on it? Don't use eco mode. I stay out of it.
@@Susan70003 yes , 120000mile. I have been using echo mode , but I'd I turn off echo mode then it won't give me good mileage . I have turned off echo mode and I got sound umhhh when I merge on Highway to increase speed 60 to 100km/h. Is there any issue with piston compression, reason being i have to do engine oil top up after 1500mile 1liter.
I have a 2013 Honda CRV and had this exact problem. I took it to the dealer and they fixed it. I really like this car, and plan on keeping it for a long time.
Is there any problem with it once a dealer has fixed it?
It happens again. What all did the dealer replace the first time?
Been driving around 50000kms with this, it happens more frequently if I do long trips. If I abuse the car a bit like frequent short trips, then it is better. Perhaps oil viscosity due to water or its level is a hint?
Still running just fine. Lately I haven't heard the sound at all. The car is reliable as a 50 ton boulder on your back yard...
Yes, indeed. The dealer told me this is a common fault of these year models. My 2014 started this hideous sound, when it gets extremely cold ( it certainly can in Iowa). It was still under warranty, thus I pleaded the case with the dealer, and they generously replaced it. So Far, with 50k , and three years it has not returned. Good luck with yours. And I will be definitely switching to either Subaru or Toyota next car time.
Be careful with Subaru to if it has a timing chain. Pieces are breaking off getting into engine. I found a mint condition used Subaru Forester, new drive belt, 4 brand new tires, ect. I really wanted this vehicle. 2012 model ,1 owner, dilagent on upkeep. Only had 114,000 miles but, at 100,000 miles the timing belt was due to be changed. And they would not allow me to take to my mechanic for a quick check.
I got ripped off on my last last vehicle that needed $3,400 in repairs. This time being 72 and very cautious I just requested my mechanic to check. They said no. So I walked away. I'm so disappointed.
Trying to buy a car now that doesn't have major issues is difficult and the prices for used cars are ridiculous, even with 150,000 miles.
I research and very few models that aren't having problems. Be careful. Still looking.🙄
I’d go with Kia/Hyundai these days. Best bang for the buck and good quality.
@@gfriedman99 You might be very right. I don't like the tiny engines they are currently making, nor the cylinder deactivation in the 6.
Some Toyotas also have the same problem.
Ribbet. Bunch of whining ... sounds to me.
Is the VTC actuator the same as the flywheel? Or are they related in some way?
Not related. Flywheel on the back of the engine (or side the the case of a CRV). It is what drives the transmission.
Does this problem occur on a 2016 Honda crv 2.0 I vetec, I'm looking at buying one here in Scotland.
I don't believe the 2.0 is affected by this.
240,000 miles on my 2013 Honda CRV notice this noise at 178,000 never replaced it and it still running strong besides little noise wen cold start...hit you guys up at 500,000 mile the 2013 crv model is bullet proof trust me I haven't had any problem with this car but minor stuff but it jus a Lil early morning rattle snake.
Glad to hear you are having good luck with your CRV.
Did you change oil more often or any other maintenance tips to share ?
Yes I changed my oil 🛢 religiously ever 3000 mile fully synthetic and also I change my transmission fluid every 4th oil change yes I do all the services on my crv so it a Lil reasonable and I kno it done right but yes changed that oil oil oil!!!
@@williamspear7803 Thank you!
@@williamspear7803
Wow. Every 3,000 miles. I wonder if it would have been no different with every 5,000 miles? Us there a particular brand you used?
What if you try to change the Oil to a Genuine Honda Oil semi synthethic and a little bit ticker viscocity? I had that little sound when I recently bought a CRV 2012, it had a very old oil, and when I changed the oil, and the oil stick was exactly in the second dot, the sound dessapeared, at the moment that is my experience 👍
My 2011 went 315k km then I changed the vtc actuator and timing chain and tensioner... It's been good since the timing cover had a bit of a leak and I ran it a bit low on oil and the vtc actutor went so when I did it I did the timing chain and VTC actuator but since then the car has been running perfectly 315k km is like 200k miles I'm pretty happy with it
Yes, the VTC actuator on my 2012 was changed at like 80K miles, the noise is coming back around 105K miles now so it does not fix the issue. Nothing wrong with the engine once it warms up but definitely annoying in the morning from a cold start. The AC compressor broke on as well, a common issue too on these engines. Other than that, been running fine still would have a Honda over any American product in my opinion.
yeah my 2013 does this and when we went go get it fixed they said there was no point bc it would come back which it did but i have had my car for years and it’s been doing that for years and my car still runs and everything perfectly fine
I know that our generation of crv’s suffer from tranny shuddering, which I bought my 2013 used with 40k miles and I currently have 64k rn after a year and some change, I get shuddering once in a while but I know it is a common thing
@@explorer2945 change the trans oil every 30,000. Somethings shedding grit upline of trans. Watch some more videos. You'll find the video.
@@explorer2945 Get a transmission fluid flush every 30-40 K miles and it will run good for a year or two, then you have to repeat. it is cheaper than a new torque converter by thousands of. dollars. I've done this many times. It works. make sure your mechanic uses Honda Trans fluid.
@@Susan70003 I do the trans. service on my 2014 CRV every 15K miles. It cost about $30 for three quarts of Honda Oem Fluid, and it's a job that is faster and easier than changing the oil. I had a 2013 and now a 2014 with a total of close to 400K miles on them. The transmissions have been trouble free. I have had a collection of vehicles in the last 20-25 years that I have obsessively over-maintained, with everything from brake fluid flushes, to exceeding the "severe duty" maintenance schedule in every aspect. I have found that it really makes them last a hell of a lot longer, and with a lot fewer repairs.
Sir , VCT actuator issue you have is on diesel engine or petrol engine?
Petrol 2.4l
Has anyone tried Liqui Moly to try to quiet this down? I've seen the video on the spring tensioner inside the VCT gear, itself, but I'm wondering if the spring is better off getting replaced?
I actually tried liquid moly. Made no difference
‘13. I was so thankful to come across your video. Went through the exact same process. The timing set up and VVT had to be replaced. Within 2000 miles the sound came back, but luckily the parts were still under warranty, and I took it in, they honored the warranty and replaced everything, but then said they would not honor that warranty, moving forward since they have done it twice. A year and a half later it’s back again So very frustrating since I bought a Honda needing it to run and run well for a very long time. And now I just live with the noise and pray it does not cause permanent damage to my engine since I cannot afford to keep replacing this over and over.
I had the same rattling noises on cold start 2012 crv after 200,000 miles. I replaced the vtc actuator,timing chain,tensioner and guides. Currently, 240,000 miles still running good. One issue which could not fixed , vibration on drive at stop lights. Noticed engine rpm is below 600 rpm. If I turned on headlights and AC, vibration gone. Many owners have the issue which Honda can't fixed it. Would be glad to know if anyone has fixed. For your info, ChrisFix had a youtube video to replace vtc actuator.
try to clean the Throttle Body
Front motor mount is shot
@@Dorightby Yes indeed. Been super common on front wheel drive vehicles for half a century. When you are at the light, put the car in neutral and the vibration is gone. The cause is the worn out mount, which is no longer dampening the vibration caused by you holding the transmission back with the brakes. It's in drive and attempting to drive forward, you are just preventing forward motion. If the mounts are new, they do a great job of masking this virbration and noise. Once they are heading for decade old, and get a ton of miles, they no longer mask the harshness and vibration.
Do a replacement of the transmission mounts, cheap and relatively easy
Wish I had seen this video before I bought my 2014 CRV. I even googled common problems before I bought it and it didn't come up.
I've read a lot of 2014 crv owners like their cars. Higher miles on them and going good. Keep up the maintenance on them. American made cars are worse. Watch a few more gen 4 videos and read viewers comments. Owners share their tips.
Are you having issues?
Me too 😘
Do you see any issues with the 2007 CRV that would make you not buy one? Or just stay with a 2006 model CRV?
They seem to also be a good vehicle
Best car I have ever had. Had it since new, now 10 years old, 150000 miles on the clock without any issues.
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏 I’ve had this problem for a while now, and since I could never replicate it, I couldn’t explain it to dealers
Thanks for the video! I was just about to purchase a used 2014 with this noise as thought it just needed a new starter. Passing on these CR-V's.
My 2012 has absolutely no issues… just make sure the oil is changed every 3k miles
My 2012 make that noise unfortunately.
I noticed that Royal Purple and Mobile full synthetics run a little thinner than they should…. I currently use a better quality oil (AMSOil), and the car runs quieter. That sound at startup still happens once in a while… mainly on cold days. Currently 110k miles.
Make sure that your VVT Solenoid is always cleaned. I heard that this could be the actual faulty design starving the VTC actuator and than making the lock pin's spring weak and unable to lock back in when the engine is stopped. Please let me know.
Interesting
How u clean it??
@@gfriedman99 use mass air flow cleaner and spray it thoroughly. Some use brake cleaner, but its a little aggressive IMO opinion.
I was just thinking about buying one of these thanks for the heads-up.
Had a 2010 crv, not the worst but certainly not the best. Loads of recalls. Got rid of it after 6 years. Not happy with performance I agree with your video 100%. Who knows what Honda will do in the future. We’ll see
My CRV has this problem. So is this dangerous while driving? Or only during start up?
It's not really dangerous at all. Just annoying and can lead to further, more expensive problems down the road
Do you have a timing chain? Mine had a serpentine belt that I just had to change at 75,500 miles because a pulley was going dry and It was clicking under the hood. I had to replace 3 parts total. It's fixed now and sounds quieter under the hood. Pretty low miles for having had that happen. It's been coming on for a while. Not exactly Honda reliability imo. Other than that I don't have the drive chain problems.
Thanks for sharing. I am from Canada and also having same problem on my 2012 Honda CRV.
I think the noise you are hearing is because your engine has "variable valve timing", the rattle at the start of engine is the time it's taking for the oil to fill up the inside cavity of camshaft pulley with the teeth on the outside. Theoretically you could take that pulley and weld it in mid point position, your engine will not be VVT any more but the rattle will be gone, however the check engine light might come on, the computer might think there is something wrong. If you know how to replace the timing chain, you can do this job, it's worth a try, get a used camshaft from junkyard to weld.
You are incorrect. Honda has been doing VVT for a long time, and most of their engines don't do this. It's a problem with the VTC.
Our 2014 does it. We just bought it and it has 85k on it. It's super annoying. That said, after researching the issue, I'm not convinced it's damaging the timing components. I know someone with the identical car as ours with 180k on it and it rattles and she said it always has. She ignores it and just keeps up on maintenance and checks her oil.
I look at it like this. How many of these engines has Honda sold? How often do you hear about them blowing up? Lot's of complaints about the rattle yes but how often do we hear of total failure? I don't know. We bought an extended warranty on ours when we bought it so if it does crap out it's covered anyway. I do agree though, Honda should step up and own this.
Total failure is unlikely but more common is that the timing chain starts to stretch from the extra tension that this causes and eventually it stretches out of tolerance and you start having timing problems, check engine light, etc. Then a full timing chain, guides, tensioner and VCT is required to the tune of almost $2,000. It's an engineering flaw that they refuse to own.
@@TheUpholsteryLibrary how many miles did your car have during these instances?
Is there a way to contact you? The person who made the video? We have the same issue.
What would you like to know?
Tell me what engine was he talking about thankvyou what about 2.0 petrol are they any good at all
2.4 engine. The 2.0 is a good engine.
Amazing video and Thanks very much for this awesome information...!!!
Are they having problems in asia where they use heavier oil.
I have owned 4 CR-Vs. ‘99 that I had 144K miles before it was totaled from a rear end crash. No issues. ‘07 that I sold to a friend at 150K and now has 210K. No major issues. Now have ‘13 with 120K and a ‘14 with 60K. Only problem was the a/c that the compressor had to be replaced. I live in Fl and it’s run nearly every day of the year. When I decide to sell my ‘13 at 150-160K I will be purchasing another CR-V.
Jack
Love ur vids Man.......Good Job
Got a 16 CR-V ELX with the 2.4 Liter 173,000 Km = 107,497 mi
Made in Canada
No Issues
This last X-mas -44 C with the wind Chill
0-20 Synthetic
No grinding No problems at all
And no block heater on those cold days
But will keep an ear on the cold starts
Thanks For ALL the tips bro
2014 Honda...just thought I'd ask here, after reading the comments, our car's headlights are looking terrible from the UV sun rays, and I thought I'd ask what you fella's/gals might be using to get them looking clear again? Thanks.
I just replaced them with new ones
Thanks for your information 🙏
My only does this when cold starts ... & not always .. 2013 LX 180k . Now you got me worried ... Does not do it in summer or every time. now you got me worried baha kk GREAT WORK W THE CONVERSION !!! btw did you need the bumper brackets it came with I got my grill w no bumper brackets from eBay . haven't installed yet. don't plan on doing the headlights either .
The 2015 up grill will not work with the 2013 style headlights. They are completely different.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone i tried the hidden menu trick & selected diagnostic. I got a few bars green and a few bars red " NG" now it is stuck on that screen. Cannot go back . Reverse cam does not show. Help please.
what about mk3 2010 to 2012 ? 2.2 diesel
I just do the vtc replacement on Honda dealer for $2400 the hole service, and 3 months later the sound comes back. 😢
Omg, and what happens
Is this problem for gasolin or diesel engine motors?
2.4 gasoline
I had the same VTC rattle, also had actuator replaced and noise started again. I was using Fram oil filters with Castrol Extended performance FS. I replaced with a K&N oil filter (same oil) and the problem seems to have gone away!
There has been some discussion that the anti drain back valve in the oil filter can help keep oil pressure and keep oil in the top of the engine, which may help keep it quiet. So there could be something to what you are experiencing.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone
i went through this on another vehicle. Horrific start up rattle, and eventually it became clear that the longer it sat unused, the worse the rattle was. I stopped using Fram's basic filter, switched to a Purolator that literally cost a few dimes more, and it never rattled again.
Never use anything but oem honda filters.
@Optimal Health I still get the rattle though it's far less frequent and typically when the temperature is below 40. Say, once every week or two, or less, if its cold enough. I've never used Honda oil filters, so can't speak for those. The K&N works well enough I'm not sure I'd try anything else. I also use full synthetic Castrol Edge Full Synthetic Extended Performance for reference. Best.
There is some sense to that. The K&N filter is supposed to have better flow rate so oil would get up there quicker.
This makes me wonder if 0W-16 oil would also make a difference but I doubt it.
What about the 2016 model?
I ask the same question. What about the 2015 and 2016 model?
8:45 The old saying - Ford, fix or repair daily LOL. My CR-V had VTC replaced under warranty. I went to the dealer with a printed copy of the exact service bulletin, where I bought the car brand new (that might help a bit). The service guy was nice to let mine sit for several days and finally he was able to replicate the VTC noise in a cold morning. Then, VTC was replace under warranty. I have that VTC noise came back just once on a cold winter morning in the past couple years.
So does it still run? If so, what are you rambling about? It's almost a decade old.
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I had the same noise from my 2012 CR-V. I replaced VTC myself at 121K but went to Rock Auto for a non-OEM (I was told the OEM replacement would have the same problem in time). I have 165K on it - quiet even in -20F temps. Good luck.
What brand did you use? This may be good information for others.
I purchased from RockAuto - but it's available at a better price on Amazon. The part is STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS VVT519. This is the video I watched to fix - make sure not to repeat mistake made in video: th-cam.com/video/hSpc41-Pj0c/w-d-xo.html
@@brucenicol1279 What was the mistake? Buying from Honda and using their part? Or do you mean locking it before torquing?
@@lupegalvan9993 locking it before torquing.
Is there a recall for this? Thank you for this video.
No recall. Just technical service bulletins.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone Which means you have to pay to have it fixed...a TSB just means they're aware of it....a recall is when the dealer will fix it for free.
Thank you for this valuable inf. My 2014 crv Honda have that noise, they told me is natural sound of the engine. Now i know. Is hard to find a honest knowledgeable mechanic.
I'll agree to disagree. My 2012 CRV had this issue too. I bought it certified pre-owned with about 35k miles. It did develop the rattle after 40k miles, I don't remember the specific miles. Honda covered it under warranty and it hasn't showed up since, it now has 130K miles.
Very slick of Honda to issue a TSB and not a recall. If this issue can damage the engine long term, it should be a recall.
My CRV also developed a shudder/vibration around 45k miles that was felt throughout the whole vehicle. It happened when shifting between 2nd and 3rd gear and between 25-35 MPH. It ended up needing the torque converter to be replaced, also luckily under warranty.
If I had to pay for these repairs out of pocket I would have been royally pissed. I got lucky. Other than these issues and wear and tear items, I haven't had to replace or repair any other super expensive parts.
So yes, I feel that these are engineering issues that shouldn't happen to a Honda vehicle because of their reliability reputation. It could be worse, just look at Hyundai with their 2.4L theta engines, sheesh what s-show.
Thanks for the video!
i have a 2013 CRV that has that exact same issue with shifting gears! thank you for this comment lol now i know what it is!!
@@arrogantott my friend was able to fix this issue in his 2013 crv with a transmission fluid change, this is the cheapest option to go with first. He used Honda transmission fluid.
Had the same problem, changed the transmission fluid
my wife has a 2014 CR-V 2.2 litre diesel turbo - what a dream machine! the only problem in nearly 10 years was a blocked particulate filter
Great video!! Thanks for the info! I have been having the exact noise and wondering what it was because sometimes it’s there and sometimes not!!! I have 2014 CRV…what a bummer!! Of course warranty way over for me so I’ll have to pay to fix it…ugh…there needs to be a recall and Honda needs to be responsible for fixing it! Have you ever had an issue with many warning lights coming on suddenly. My B123 service light came on Friday…no big deal just routine maintenance that needs to be done. Two days later I drove home from work, parked the car and when I started it the next morning, I had an EPS, check engine, vehicle stability assist, and tire pressure lights all on at the same time. The car was just parked over night?! What happened? Anyone who’s had this issue and dealt with it let me know…thanks
Possibly a battery issue. These cars are very sensitive to a dying battery, even if it still starts the car.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone Haha…if only it would have been the battery. Took it in for a diagnostic, and it had a “stretched” timing chain and I needed the VTC actuator replaced…hmmm weird! When I told him about the noise it made with starting. He said they are aware of that noise, but that wasn’t the cause of the problem. Anyway, ended up costing $2400 to get it fixed. He also tried to tell me that there was no oil that registered on the dipstick as to blame me for the problem. I have taken my car there for all services every time it has needed it and checked my oil in between, and I have never had it that low that it never showed up on the dipstick.!! My car also never indicated that my oil was low… you would think if it was significantly low that my oil light would’ve turned on to warn me. He said my car was burning oil and when I asked why he said because it’s an old car. What a joke my 1999 Honda Accord is an old car but 2014 CRV is not. I think Honda just doesn’t want to own up to the fact that the VTC actuators are bad and take responsibility for it. Major bummer!!
@@mollyheiselt1842 yeah you have one of the severe cases that people say doesn't happen but obviously it does. The bad VTC actuator causes oil consumption and timing change stretch.
My experience is similar. Honda service literally laughed at me when I asked them about how much it would cost to fix the VTC actuator. So, I spent $200 at a private shop, who did a full inspection an diagnostic. They did everything but find the problem (I know know that I have very worn rear brake pads, air filter, cabin filter, etc. I replaced the plugs and serpentine belt and both air filters - - cheap enough.) Now, my CR-V is in the Honda dealer shop waiting diagnosis for this specific problem. In my case, I've got the dreaded rattle. But, my gas mileage fell to 21 MPG. No other symptoms except the death rattle. No dashboard warning lights. Wish me luck.
Good luck