Catelyn: what ive been doing for 8 years.... is fucking the villains. First it was Zoom, then I joined Savitar. Now my meta half is flirting with Chill Lame. Who knows, if we last another year, maybe you and I..... Eobard: Stop! Enough just.... eugh, where is he? Where's Black Flash. Come on. KILL ME!!!!!!!!!!
@@Cosmicmorales it should’ve been like this for the past 8 years I’ve been waiting for this moment when you showed mo mercy when we begged now it is our turn now we won’t show you mercy go to hell eobard
Thawne is the last person to be telling anyone to move on with their lives. One of the saddest things about the Reverse Flash in Any media is that he could have stopped anytime. Disassociate himself with the Flash and moved on with his life and changed his fate. But no instead he would rather live a lonely, spiteful life of trying to One up the person he admires the most. All because he feels this is the only thing that's meaningful in his life, what a sad life.
@Art Cannot Be Killed Barry was in the wrong and he realized it especially after jays talk. It’s why he is very against messing with time as shown with Cisco, Nora (other reasons too), and anyone else who does even on accident. Eobard on the other hand didn’t grow out of his fanboy phase yet still bashed Caitlyn for her “not” moving on. Barry isn’t a hypocrite in terms of that imo. Technically speaking, the timeline we have seen has always been the timeline caused by eobard killing nora. The og timeline was shown to be vastly different. In sadness/anger Barry just “fixed” the timeline but a las time travel doesn’t work like that. Hell we do see Barry once again trying to fix it. Don’t forget he hasn’t changed time too much besides the weather wizard situation. He was an armature time traveler.
@Art Cannot Be Killed …..Um why was he disguised as Harrison wells? I think he was eh trapped? Mainly because oh idk he was first trying to kill young Barry which seems to be such a great idea removing a key hero from history then he kills Nora aka no flash. I kinda find it funny you saying he didn’t cause a huge thing but like he’s the reason much of the flash exists and even indirectly a cause of Oliver’s death who was originally dying at 80ish. I think he did cause a huge time ripple
Also.. how’s that going for him 😂 15 years in the past, dies then appears again in a different show and he dies too. Eh he gets locked up 🤷♀️ got freed at least so for once he did succeed. If he wants these Ls he’s doing good
It didn't. It's all a nostalgic bias. Season 1 had a good quality in terms of everything. This just feels like a fanmade season recreated by college teens.
man... if only they had a scene like this with cisco too... like they missed a HUGE opportunity to bring back major season 1 vibes by making the team just barry, cisco and caitlin, and then having thawne show up.
@@spectral282mcoc this Armageddon arc has overall been better than really any of the recent seasons. However the fact that they can’t take this and expand into an entire season shows how bad the writers are now and in recent seasons as well. Honestly this show hasn’t been that great since season 3 which is when it started going downhill. I can see why Carlos left tbh
well either a) Carlos didn't have time for the show b) He just lost interest c) Worst case scenario, he couldn't handle the other writers inconsistency
Anyone notice how Thanwe in season one, even though he was the bad guy, wasn't so cruel when talking to others that he once considered his allies? In season one, even if he had to kill his allies they were still people he kind of cared about. Now he is just sadistic to them. I always wondered was it because of his connection to the Negative Speed Force that enhanced his hatred or what?
My guess it was harrisons dna and possibly what little humanity he had, now with the negative speed force and his plan thwarted by barry he doesnt need to hold back. Hell id say he finally showed his true self the real monster he hide in plain sight
I have a better explanation, hear me out guys, what if the writers dropped the ball and they are just trying to milk this show without caring about the characters?
@@MewMaxing you're right about that. Thawn was a much more interesting character when he was divided over his feelings. Team Flash wasn't his family, in fact they were supposed to be his enemies, but he ended up caring for them anyway. His ambition drove him to do what he had to, like when he killed Cisco in Season 1, but he still regretted having to do it anyway. That's complexity and good writing. This Thawn just feels flat compared to the first one. They should have had his moment with Caitlin be like "knowing I'd have to make you all hate me was the biggest regret I had about going home."
Danielle Panabaker is such a great actress and this scene is a proof of that! I do hope she gets bigger roles in the future or even get nominated for a prize. I love her as Caitlin so much ❄️💙
I honestly feel Caitlin as a character was ruined the moment Killer Frost became a thing. This feels like the first Caitlin moment since the first season.
Becoming meta humans ruined both Caitlin’s and Ciscos characters in a way. Barry being the only superhero was better. Them being his witty sidekicks back at the home base was more balanced.
Nah, it was cool during season 3 having Killer Frost as evil, but after they made her into a less interesting Hulk, Caitlin and Frost are basically blank characters filling space.
I think Thawne realised just how serious she was when she said she hated him. It’s something he understands and he saw, in that moment, a commitment familiar to him.
She's right. He'd have been held to the death penalty by now if any court could do it. Keeping murderers alive AND running free because they're too powerful to imprison properly is not heroic.
@AleDrGaze SPD actually, per scripture, the unforgivable sin, murder, is properly defined as "shedding innocent blood unto death" which simplified reads literally as killing an innocent person, which Thawne has done, repeatedly, letting him die would not be murder in the biblical sense because Thawne is NOT innocent, so from a biblical sin stand-point team flash is in the free and clear letting Thawne die, from a moral stand-point also, seeing as what Thawne has done would earn a death sentence in every SINGLE court system on earth that is willing to hand it out,
@@djantouahmed7319 that is the mis-translated version of that commandment, the actual translation is "thou shalt not murder" otherwise every single person on earth has committed a unforgivable sin during their life.
@@denzilbrowder5509 Murder isn't the unforgivable sin, though (that's Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) But I get what you're saying - Thawne lived by the sword, so he should die by the sword.
I wish she'd said "if you were looking for someone to save you... You should've thought a little faster before messing with me." Then she'd not only have given him the zing, but also insulted both his speed and his intelligence - the two things Thawne values about himself the most.
I think this is a little over the edge. Take a look at Caitlyn's face when she tells Barry that they should let Thawne die. This is clearly an emotional topic for her, a very emotional topic. Adding a "burn" just for the laugh of it can be cool as a joke between the fans, but in the real thing it's just... Off.
*Flash* - You okay? What happen? *Caitlin* - We need to let *Thawne* die! *Me* - I couldn't agree more with you Caitlin, you know with *Flash* being the good guy, rest-a-sure he's gonna let him live.
Actually...the writers made JOE the idiot and Barry and Iris BOTH agreed with the right choice. "omg you're the flash you don't kill people" First off, Barry's killed many side villains, was okay with Thawne Savitar and Cicada II being erased from existence before, and got Zoom and DeVoe killed. Second, Joe literally tried to murder Thawne when he thought Thawne was back. Third, Thawne literally did this to himself, it's his fault.
Exactly. He died originally because he killed Barry's mom and set in chain events that let his ancestor die, thus erasing him. Completely his fault. Since then he's been trying to cheat death, becoming a paradox but after Crisis he stayed dead, then Barry brought him back. but he needs to die, not saving him doesn't mean killing him. Besides what is he gonna do if you save him and let him go? Start a family and live in a farm? No. He'll come back and try and mess with you
It’s been a minute since I watched the flash but nice to see Caitlin be a straight up savage without Killer Frost. It’s really funny how Thawne says she didn’t change lol
*Period Caitlin* 💯🔥Although I stopped watching after season 3, Caitlin has always been my favorite character. I gotta admit this scene was long overdue. I’m so glad Caitlin got to express herself to Thawne, yeah the writers focused on the hatred between Barry and Thawne, but he had Caitlin and Cisco fooled long before Barry became the Flash.
I can only imagine what he and thawne would be doing in argus😂😂 thawne be like: Hello Cisco... It's always a pleasure talking to you 😈. And the best part is that he would be mean it
i would be genuinely suprised if team flash has an arugement anout saving this man. I am sure barry caitlin and joe would want him dead but the others i am not sure especially iris
@@ayushnaugain4467 Not sure especially when Thawne killed him in the "Reverse Flashpoint" timeline he created but Joe has a good heart and forgives his enemies even when they don't deserve it.
@@Darth-z8v and thats the dumb logic of joe. this is thawne. Not only barry's arch enemy. It's basically team flash's arch enemy and joe is like, nAh we doNt kill. This man indirectly killed eddie, threatened iris early season, killed cisco in an erased timeline and more.
@@NigelLam375 Joe really pissed me off this episode. Like you do realize you were dead in the reverse flashpoint and if Barry never stopped thawne you would be gone maybe even forever this time. This is the same guy who killed the mom of your adopted son, and your partner back in season 1 smh
This was perhaps the most real scene with Caitlin since season 2, and believe me when I say, that is seriously saying something. The fact that Caitlin hasn't had a decent moment to shine both in her character and as a person really feels like a disservice, but this right here, we finally got to see her react to the man that has basically been tormenting her life for YEARS. Let me say that again, YEARS. Eobard Thawne has been tormenting Caitlin Snow since the first moment he took Harrison Wells's face and began working on the particle excelerator. And now, Caitlin had a chance to show how she really felt about him, and the sheer coldness in her voice was epic. Thawne was constantly trying to get a rise out of her, but after everything she's been through, she was able to put up a wall between him and her. He couldn't phase her anymore, and that is something I really love to see in a character.
1:33 The last time I heard this music… Season 1 Finale, Thawne telling Cisco “An honorable destiny awaits you.” Soundtrack title is called “Lucid Dreaming.”
Thawne runs towards through pain,grief hatred and barry runs towards through happiness, love,and power that is why even with 5% of his Barry's speed he was able to move at mach 20 faster than thawne thawne can change the timeline all he wants but the flash will always be faster than him Amen🙏
I just loved this scene. After watching it I realized that when we saw Thawne it was always related to Barry, because of Flash VS Reverse-Flash stuff, Thawne being the nemesis of Barry and so on. But we never saw Cait talk about it, not really... But Thawne killed Ronnie in a way, and I'm glad they finally have the opportunity to talk, and Cait to express her feelings about this. Really enjoyed it :)
Because you know what’s a great way to get someone to help you? Insult them, rub in their face that their loved ones have died, then say they have no free will and will help you anyway because it’s in their nature. Honestly, I’d just pull up a chair and watch for two hours
Damn Danielle can act way better than majority of the cast of The Flash. Honestly this show would've been so good if it was just her, barry and cisco... alegra and chester and cecile need to GO man... or at least alegra and cecile, like the team is too damn big. big with actors who suck or aren't interesting.
@@munab3666 compared to the other cast, YUP. Like its way more believable in my opinion. The only other good actors I'd say are the actors who play Barry Joe Cisco and Wells/Thawne.
This scene was A1. Along with the Barry/Thawne scene & Joe/Iris/Barry scene. The originals just killed it this episode. I wish Cisco was in it for an interaction with Thawne though. Would have been icing on the cake. Especially if he brought up how Thawne killed him in an alternate timeline.
Idk… on one hand I’ve been rooting for Caitlin since season 1 and still watch the show for her but even I have to agree that she hasn’t really been written well if at all. Seasons 4 and 5 I felt they massively reduced her screen time as a character and with season 6 she was gone so frost could live her life since they were sharing a body. Keeping her single was a good move with the mess of her love life from seasons 1-3 but usually in television having a love interest is linked heavily with getting screen time. It was the same with Bonnie in TVD and why her character was treated like dust (as well as primarily Antiblackness and racism) by not getting a proper love interest like the other 2 leads. After all these years I feel like the damage has been done. We don’t even see her personal life (which doesn’t have to be a love interest considering how badly written those love arcs were in the past) but even a damn friend or new person in her life? Cisco got a new gf, iris got Allegra and Barry, idk I’ve just always noticed how lonely Caitlin is compared to everyone and to put it bluntly it makes her character boring which translates to years of bare minimum screen time and character developing. Even adding a new friend for her would increase screen time and add to her character, it would entail seeing how she is outside of her job and how she handles situations in a relationship. They could’ve even elaborated more on her relationship with her old colleague turned villain and how their relationship could reconcile after he expressed remorse for his evil acts in season 6 but they even put more emphasis on his relationship to Barry (still a complete stranger to him) than her. Thawne is right in that she needs to move on from team flash or they need to show more of a relationship with her and the team (I.e. disagreements, support, being challenged to be a better person by a close friend when a situation is thrown at her, bonding with iris and Cecile, Batwoman and Alex being invited to iris’s future ceremony over her (that was weird)). It's just been scaps since her alter identity was introduced. I don’t even think her and Allegra can be considered acquaintances much less family because they don’t put any emphasis on Caitlins relationships/screen time unless it’s a Caitlin-centric episode once every 2 seasons rather than sprinkling small moments between her and the team like they do with everyone else (even prior to season 7, Cisco was shown visibly closer to the team than her) which makes her character boring by proxy. They even downplay her use as a doctor compared to earlier seasons which makes her character useless and easily replaceable especially when she’s no longer a powerful meta human and this is coming from someone who again ROOTS for her the most on this show. I’ll have to stop watching if they keep her on this constant path.
Interesting analysis of Caitlin's character. I dropped the show a while ago and Caitlin's treatment as a character from the show was a big factor considering how I felt they prioritize Killer Frost over her.
@@Boom_Bianca I don't blame you for dropping it. Because as a person who watched the show's 4rth & 5th season, I can safely say Caitlin's treatment in the show didn't get any better from Season 3 onward.
I like how they have there reverse flash now( I always liked how he is in this show but I said that because if you see the scene in this episode we’re he talks to Barry you just finally understand just how petty he is through his origins) and I hope they don’t change him but the one thing that I wish that they kept was his attachment to the flash team season 1. It could only be me but I like that about him he literally did so many awful things that he burned that bridge so many way that no one would want to fix it especially after nora but you could still see the connection he made to the og team in some of his reactions even in legends Thawne says he remembers his time with team flash that he actually cared about. But at the same time I understand why they don’t want to keep going with it because it would be meaning less especially after nora were even some fans don’t want to deal with that part of him and just want to hate him (including me). Sorry for the long thing I just wanted to talk about this because I honestly liked that about this version of the character.
1:28 Says the guy that not only refuses to give up his obsession with being The Flash's greatest nemesis, but also the one who CAUSED everything to "come crashing down." The guy who manipulated her and Cisco and Ronnie and, for time, Hartley Rathaway from day one. The guy who had no intention of helping anyone other than himself. And finally, the guy who thinks that he can say whatever the hell he wants and still get what he wants. I think for Caitlin, it's more personal because after the particle accelerator explosion, when everybody blacklisted star labs and their entire staff, she and Cisco stuck by who they believed was Dr. Harrison Wells out of loyalty. For nine months she felt empathy for Harrison after losing everyone both professionally and personally because of what they thought was an accident. In spite of being pariahs in the scientific community, she and Cisco endeavored to help restore STAR Labs' reputation. She sacrificed nine months of her career and her life to stand by the man who ruined it deliberately. All that time she thought that he was giving her somewhere to go after losing her fiancé, when the truth is it was continued manipulation to his final agenda of getting back to his own time, no matter who had to be sacrificed. And ever since his true identity and nature were revealed, he has done nothing but torment and terrorize Team Flash. She was loyal to a lie. And the only irony in all this is that through that manipulation she gained TRUE friends and REAL family who have spent the last eight years watching her back and protecting her through her darkest moments. And I think the fact that he has no humility and not one kind word to say to her makes it all the more infuriating to be in the same room with him.
I swear down thawne is so brilliantly written, the only menacing villain if you ask me. I do not like the fact that they have given up on trying and now just bring him back to create a menacing villain.
He made the particle accelerator happen 5 years early when he killed the 1st Harrison Wells, stole his face, his id, and life, all just to get Barry fast enough to return to the future. And it didn't workout. Thawne is too ignorant to realize that, or he does know but doesn't care. The 1st part with Barry was for nothing, killed Nora and framed Henry to prevent Barry from becoming the flash for nothing, he attempts to get the Spear of Destiny for nothing; and now creating a reverse flashpoint was all...for nothing.
@X-777 True, true. Just not the way he expected. His fate or losing his speed…it’s all karma on a universal and historical lvl. Historical I mean, by how many times he messed with the timeline.
Since season 4. Cause she had pretty iconic moments in season 4 but in s5 onwards the writers forgot about her which is a major reason for downfall of the show
But not you you’re a Doctor You won’t kill me I won’t but I can accept it when someone dies Is that right? Maybe you forget I know the real Caitlyn Snow You’re right where you were Eight Years ago, remember?? Living your safe orderly life Preparing for a Perfect Future With your idiot Fiancee and then It all came crashing down What is Wrong with you ? Ronnie was my whole Future and he is never coming back He’s never coming back that’s what happened so what about you You could have moved on I mean you should have moved on But instead you’re stuck here where you were 8 Years ago helping Team Flash and Barry Allen instead of getting on with your live Fine you want Honesty When I was resident Fresh out of Med school One of First Things they taught me Is that sometimes you lose a Patient that Death is part of Life So guess what It’s your Turn Because all the Speed in the world can’t help you outrun what’s coming for you You’ll save me You’ll save me Snow You don’t have a Choice And one other thing I stayed her because Barry and the rest of the Team They’re not just Friends They’re Family And just so we are Clear What I’ve been doing for the last 8 Years is hating You So if you’re looking for someone to save you Look somewhere else
Caitlin meant that she loved Frost, which is why she's willing to regain her "Sister" Thawne on the other hand is the one who manipulated her's and nearly everyone (in Team Flash's) life, so whom do you assume she would save if given a choice?
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This was literally such a brilliant scene. The acting, Caitlin finally showing how she feels, Thawne actually being serious, etc.
If Thawne ever shaves his head, he will look like the One Punch Man.
@@ssmith3070 SO TRUE !
Why does thawne keep whispering?
@@grudgematch6653that’s how he’s supposed to be 🙄
I'm glad they are addressing Caitlin and Thawne's relationship again after Season 1
Antes no tenía el rostro de wells
Hopefully the show slowly returns back to it's roots so I can start watching it again..
@X-777 what's gone wrong is that they keep giving iris more screentime. She's ruining the show
@@tylee2358 not anymore
@@oliverrasmusson2362 she's still ruining the show
Caitlin spitting facts. This man really said she hasn't moved on like she hasn't had multiple love interests since season 1 and found happiness again.
I swear Daniel is so good at expressing Caitlin and Frosts emotions
@@alexplays_roblox1k373 all of og flash actors are awesome actors. Since season 5 they added actors like they have never hold a script before.
@@tShuka_ I like team flash actors tho
@@alexplays_roblox1k373 the og actors are the best like they're casted perfectly.. these new ones are average
Didn't stay with any of them though
"what ive been doing for the last 8 years, is hating u"
Who tf wrote that line, that was savage af
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Catelyn: what ive been doing for 8 years.... is fucking the villains. First it was Zoom, then I joined Savitar. Now my meta half is flirting with Chill Lame. Who knows, if we last another year, maybe you and I.....
Eobard: Stop! Enough just.... eugh, where is he? Where's Black Flash. Come on. KILL ME!!!!!!!!!!
@@Cosmicmorales it should’ve been like this for the past 8 years I’ve been waiting for this moment when you showed mo mercy when we begged now it is our turn now we won’t show you mercy go to hell eobard
@@AzguardMike 😂🤣
@@ocurr515 haha 😂 nice 👍
"They're not just friends, they're family" can't decide if that's a Flash line or a Fast and Furious line
lol
Family….
*starts dodge charger*
Yes
I’m surprised that haven’t had an ending where they sat around a table and one character said grace as the camera pans out.
I’m surprised Dom didn’t pop out of somewhere when she said that line
Thawne is the last person to be telling anyone to move on with their lives. One of the saddest things about the Reverse Flash in Any media is that he could have stopped anytime. Disassociate himself with the Flash and moved on with his life and changed his fate. But no instead he would rather live a lonely, spiteful life of trying to One up the person he admires the most. All because he feels this is the only thing that's meaningful in his life, what a sad life.
Well yeah but honestly bad guys usually are hypocrites. Eobard himself is just a petty small man chasing after a past hero.
@Art Cannot Be Killed Barry was in the wrong and he realized it especially after jays talk. It’s why he is very against messing with time as shown with Cisco, Nora (other reasons too), and anyone else who does even on accident. Eobard on the other hand didn’t grow out of his fanboy phase yet still bashed Caitlyn for her “not” moving on. Barry isn’t a hypocrite in terms of that imo.
Technically speaking, the timeline we have seen has always been the timeline caused by eobard killing nora. The og timeline was shown to be vastly different. In sadness/anger Barry just “fixed” the timeline but a las time travel doesn’t work like that. Hell we do see Barry once again trying to fix it. Don’t forget he hasn’t changed time too much besides the weather wizard situation. He was an armature time traveler.
@Art Cannot Be Killed …..Um why was he disguised as Harrison wells? I think he was eh trapped? Mainly because oh idk he was first trying to kill young Barry which seems to be such a great idea removing a key hero from history then he kills Nora aka no flash. I kinda find it funny you saying he didn’t cause a huge thing but like he’s the reason much of the flash exists and even indirectly a cause of Oliver’s death who was originally dying at 80ish. I think he did cause a huge time ripple
Also.. how’s that going for him 😂 15 years in the past, dies then appears again in a different show and he dies too. Eh he gets locked up 🤷♀️ got freed at least so for once he did succeed. If he wants these Ls he’s doing good
@Art Cannot Be Killed didn’t Barry time travel to find a way to beat cicad ah nvm I already know this is going back and forth.
this felt like a season 1 moment wow
Its nostalgia
@@ashtondoesrandom5626 yessir
Yup
It didn't. It's all a nostalgic bias.
Season 1 had a good quality in terms of everything.
This just feels like a fanmade season recreated by college teens.
Same sir
man... if only they had a scene like this with cisco too... like they missed a HUGE opportunity to bring back major season 1 vibes by making the team just barry, cisco and caitlin, and then having thawne show up.
The actor didn't wanted to be in the show anymore can't blame the writers for that
@@spectral282mcoc I mean you can
@@thecamera.1724 No you can't
@@spectral282mcoc this Armageddon arc has overall been better than really any of the recent seasons. However the fact that they can’t take this and expand into an entire season shows how bad the writers are now and in recent seasons as well. Honestly this show hasn’t been that great since season 3 which is when it started going downhill. I can see why Carlos left tbh
well either
a) Carlos didn't have time for the show
b) He just lost interest
c) Worst case scenario, he couldn't handle the other writers inconsistency
Whoever wrote the lines for this particular scene deserves a raise
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Anyone notice how Thanwe in season one, even though he was the bad guy, wasn't so cruel when talking to others that he once considered his allies? In season one, even if he had to kill his allies they were still people he kind of cared about. Now he is just sadistic to them. I always wondered was it because of his connection to the Negative Speed Force that enhanced his hatred or what?
My guess it was harrisons dna and possibly what little humanity he had, now with the negative speed force and his plan thwarted by barry he doesnt need to hold back. Hell id say he finally showed his true self the real monster he hide in plain sight
In Season 1 he just wanted to go home, he even said that he learned to feel love to Barry
But now he is just fucking crazy
I have a better explanation, hear me out guys, what if the writers dropped the ball and they are just trying to milk this show without caring about the characters?
@@MewMaxing you're right about that. Thawn was a much more interesting character when he was divided over his feelings. Team Flash wasn't his family, in fact they were supposed to be his enemies, but he ended up caring for them anyway. His ambition drove him to do what he had to, like when he killed Cisco in Season 1, but he still regretted having to do it anyway. That's complexity and good writing. This Thawn just feels flat compared to the first one.
They should have had his moment with Caitlin be like "knowing I'd have to make you all hate me was the biggest regret I had about going home."
@@MewMaxing Yeah that's what it feels like. Now he's just some comic book diabolical villain going "muahaha" compared to how more complex he was.
Danielle Panabaker is such a great actress and this scene is a proof of that! I do hope she gets bigger roles in the future or even get nominated for a prize. I love her as Caitlin so much ❄️💙
I so agree.
@X-777 lol
@X-777 correction, she is the only good female character of the show
@@youareasnobarryfanyourexis3370 man you got some serious issue
Nah that probs took her like 30 takes
"They're not just friends, they're family."
Dom would be proud. xD
Plz writers keep giving her badass scenes of caitlin like these and the show will be worth watching again
I honestly feel Caitlin as a character was ruined the moment Killer Frost became a thing. This feels like the first Caitlin moment since the first season.
Becoming meta humans ruined both Caitlin’s and Ciscos characters in a way. Barry being the only superhero was better. Them being his witty sidekicks back at the home base was more balanced.
@@BlackFlightNY or at least they should’ve made Caitlin actually turn evil. That would’ve made her plot so much better.
True
@@BlackFlightNY true they kinda over did it with the meta humans.
Nah, it was cool during season 3 having Killer Frost as evil, but after they made her into a less interesting Hulk, Caitlin and Frost are basically blank characters filling space.
“ I won’t kill you but I don’t have to save you”- Batman
I think Thawne realised just how serious she was when she said she hated him. It’s something he understands and he saw, in that moment, a commitment familiar to him.
She's right. He'd have been held to the death penalty by now if any court could do it. Keeping murderers alive AND running free because they're too powerful to imprison properly is not heroic.
@AleDrGaze SPD actually, per scripture, the unforgivable sin, murder, is properly defined as "shedding innocent blood unto death" which simplified reads literally as killing an innocent person, which Thawne has done, repeatedly, letting him die would not be murder in the biblical sense because Thawne is NOT innocent, so from a biblical sin stand-point team flash is in the free and clear letting Thawne die, from a moral stand-point also, seeing as what Thawne has done would earn a death sentence in every SINGLE court system on earth that is willing to hand it out,
@@denzilbrowder5509 thou shall not kill.
@AleDrGaze SPD that’s if you believe in god anyway
@@djantouahmed7319 that is the mis-translated version of that commandment, the actual translation is "thou shalt not murder" otherwise every single person on earth has committed a unforgivable sin during their life.
@@denzilbrowder5509 Murder isn't the unforgivable sin, though (that's Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit)
But I get what you're saying - Thawne lived by the sword, so he should die by the sword.
This took me back to season 1. This was the best thing ever 😭❤️
I wish she'd said "if you were looking for someone to save you... You should've thought a little faster before messing with me."
Then she'd not only have given him the zing, but also insulted both his speed and his intelligence - the two things Thawne values about himself the most.
That,s kinda cringe no offense
@@nkuniverse7856 okay but the whole show is cringe that's one of its charms XD
What she said was better haha 🤣
haha true
I think this is a little over the edge. Take a look at Caitlyn's face when she tells Barry that they should let Thawne die. This is clearly an emotional topic for her, a very emotional topic. Adding a "burn" just for the laugh of it can be cool as a joke between the fans, but in the real thing it's just... Off.
*Flash* - You okay? What happen?
*Caitlin* - We need to let *Thawne* die!
*Me* - I couldn't agree more with you Caitlin, you know with *Flash* being the good guy, rest-a-sure he's gonna let him live.
ah yes, rest a sure
Actually...the writers made JOE the idiot and Barry and Iris BOTH agreed with the right choice. "omg you're the flash you don't kill people"
First off, Barry's killed many side villains, was okay with Thawne Savitar and Cicada II being erased from existence before, and got Zoom and DeVoe killed.
Second, Joe literally tried to murder Thawne when he thought Thawne was back.
Third, Thawne literally did this to himself, it's his fault.
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Love this scene. Danielle is as always FANTASTIC!
There’s only 2 volume options to Thawne: whisper mode, and shout mode
I love this Caitlin. Sweet and badass at the same time
This was season 1 caity
FINALLY!!! I've been waiting eight years for this conversation!
Caitlin with that killer frost speech gotta love it.
Ikr
Exactly. He died originally because he killed Barry's mom and set in chain events that let his ancestor die, thus erasing him. Completely his fault. Since then he's been trying to cheat death, becoming a paradox but after Crisis he stayed dead, then Barry brought him back.
but he needs to die, not saving him doesn't mean killing him. Besides what is he gonna do if you save him and let him go? Start a family and live in a farm? No. He'll come back and try and mess with you
It’s been a minute since I watched the flash but nice to see Caitlin be a straight up savage without Killer Frost. It’s really funny how Thawne says she didn’t change lol
Frl
*Period Caitlin* 💯🔥Although I stopped watching after season 3, Caitlin has always been my favorite character. I gotta admit this scene was long overdue. I’m so glad Caitlin got to express herself to Thawne, yeah the writers focused on the hatred between Barry and Thawne, but he had Caitlin and Cisco fooled long before Barry became the Flash.
Cisco should have been here, he was such a big part of Thawne’s life
Dude fr tho. Could of been a better show.
I can only imagine what he and thawne would be doing in argus😂😂 thawne be like: Hello Cisco... It's always a pleasure talking to you 😈.
And the best part is that he would be mean it
Image Iris getting a go at him for him being the reason Eddie’s dead
@@alexplays_roblox1k373 Not just Eddie, but also HER DAUGHTER
@@jb57551 Fr
god her acting was so dam good shes amazing actress
This one scene was better then the whole season 7
Catlin is the best i love seeing that fire in her going towards Thawne was so amazing
Season one Caitlin came back for her moment fr
i would be genuinely suprised if team flash has an arugement anout saving this man. I am sure barry caitlin and joe would want him dead but the others i am not sure especially iris
Joe doesn't want him dead, he is the one that wants him saved the most lol
@@Darth-z8v why?
@@ayushnaugain4467 Not sure especially when Thawne killed him in the "Reverse Flashpoint" timeline he created but Joe has a good heart and forgives his enemies even when they don't deserve it.
@@Darth-z8v and thats the dumb logic of joe. this is thawne. Not only barry's arch enemy. It's basically team flash's arch enemy and joe is like, nAh we doNt kill. This man indirectly killed eddie, threatened iris early season, killed cisco in an erased timeline and more.
@@NigelLam375 Joe really pissed me off this episode. Like you do realize you were dead in the reverse flashpoint and if Barry never stopped thawne you would be gone maybe even forever this time. This is the same guy who killed the mom of your adopted son, and your partner back in season 1 smh
Caitlin finally gets a chance to say her peace
This was perhaps the most real scene with Caitlin since season 2, and believe me when I say, that is seriously saying something. The fact that Caitlin hasn't had a decent moment to shine both in her character and as a person really feels like a disservice, but this right here, we finally got to see her react to the man that has basically been tormenting her life for YEARS. Let me say that again, YEARS. Eobard Thawne has been tormenting Caitlin Snow since the first moment he took Harrison Wells's face and began working on the particle excelerator. And now, Caitlin had a chance to show how she really felt about him, and the sheer coldness in her voice was epic. Thawne was constantly trying to get a rise out of her, but after everything she's been through, she was able to put up a wall between him and her. He couldn't phase her anymore, and that is something I really love to see in a character.
the acting got so much better damn
Thawne finds it impossible to believe that people can move on. Seen as though, he never can.
Caitlin being a bady again with out frost yes yes yes she owned it
its *baddie* not bady
1:33 The last time I heard this music… Season 1 Finale, Thawne telling Cisco “An honorable destiny awaits you.” Soundtrack title is called “Lucid Dreaming.”
Putting in a Fast and Furious reference was really nice on this scene and made Caitlin even more awesome of a character
What fast and furious reference
@@thesumup1683 "They're not my friends. They're family."
@@danig1199 ohh ok thank you
Dom Toretto approves 👍
When she said “what is wrong with you” I died 💀💀💀💀
And she's a doctor too asking that question. You know it's bad when a doctor asked you "what is wrong with you"
0:25 I Won’t Kill You, But it Doesn’t Mean I Have To Save You
Danielle and Tom are so good. They are the best actors ( with carlos Valdes )
Damn I ain’t think Caitlin was gon go in on him like that 😤💪🏾
I feel like Caitlin still has some of frost in her and frost has some of Caitlin on her
@@alexplays_roblox1k373 same
Woahhh it went from flash to fast and furious 😂😂
GO CAITLIN, HELL YESSSS!!!
I never thought cait would speak to him like that I mean she still cared a little Cisco on the hand I would not be surprised
"they're family"
vin diesel : "someone called?"
OKAY BUT THE SEASON 1 VIBES WITH THIS SCENE. I AM IN LOVE. DANIELLE AND TOM ROCKING IT
Thawne runs towards through pain,grief hatred and barry runs towards through happiness, love,and power that is why even with 5% of his Barry's speed he was able to move at mach 20 faster than thawne thawne can change the timeline all he wants but the flash will always be faster than him Amen🙏
I just loved this scene. After watching it I realized that when we saw Thawne it was always related to Barry, because of Flash VS Reverse-Flash stuff, Thawne being the nemesis of Barry and so on. But we never saw Cait talk about it, not really... But Thawne killed Ronnie in a way, and I'm glad they finally have the opportunity to talk, and Cait to express her feelings about this.
Really enjoyed it :)
0:54
^ How you tryna get help then insult her dead fiancé….plus what’s up with the voice change❓⚡️
Because you know what’s a great way to get someone to help you? Insult them, rub in their face that their loved ones have died, then say they have no free will and will help you anyway because it’s in their nature.
Honestly, I’d just pull up a chair and watch for two hours
Go caitlin go!
“I don’t have friends, I’ve got family”-Dominic Toretto (Furious 7).
Thawne is and always will be cause the flash is and always will be. They are so intertwined one can’t be with out the other.
Damn Danielle can act way better than majority of the cast of The Flash. Honestly this show would've been so good if it was just her, barry and cisco... alegra and chester and cecile need to GO man... or at least alegra and cecile, like the team is too damn big. big with actors who suck or aren't interesting.
Danielle can act?? For real 👀
@@munab3666 compared to the other cast, YUP. Like its way more believable in my opinion. The only other good actors I'd say are the actors who play Barry Joe Cisco and Wells/Thawne.
@@munab3666 she is great wdym
This scene was A1. Along with the Barry/Thawne scene & Joe/Iris/Barry scene. The originals just killed it this episode. I wish Cisco was in it for an interaction with Thawne though. Would have been icing on the cake. Especially if he brought up how Thawne killed him in an alternate timeline.
Nice that Ronnie was mentioned
Tbh his old suit just looks wayyyy better than this and that’s a fact
Too much damn bright yellow. They should've made it at least darker.
The mask is the bad part. They had to do a suit that would look ok on Barry and thawne.
Yeah.
It look better but doesn’t fit better
Barry wore it better
This feels like season 1
This was totally Danielle’s best scene. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Danielle act this good until I watched this scene. 😂
mainly because the writers didn't give her good material
@@theAstarrr Danielle in general never struck me as an amazing actress in anything she’s been in. But she definitely has that potential.
Thawne scoffing at Ronnie's death makes me think there's something in the future he is aware of
Ronnie Will come back for Ep 11 and 12 of this season
Funny how they say Ronnie is never coming back but they revealed that his actor is coming back
Probably, a flashback or possibly another Flashpoint?
No flash point but from the promos it looks like it will be a flashback
@@mauls_editor6222 Yeah. Nora and Bart go to 2014! But did they go before or after barry was struck?
Hopefully he takes caitlin with him
@@youareasnobarryfanyourexis3370 Bruh. “Hopefully he takes caitlin with him.”🤓
Im glad they upgraded the reverse flashes suit it was about time
2:15 Dominic Toretto approves.
Underated Comment
All that only for joe to comvince them to save thawne
Idk… on one hand I’ve been rooting for Caitlin since season 1 and still watch the show for her but even I have to agree that she hasn’t really been written well if at all. Seasons 4 and 5 I felt they massively reduced her screen time as a character and with season 6 she was gone so frost could live her life since they were sharing a body. Keeping her single was a good move with the mess of her love life from seasons 1-3 but usually in television having a love interest is linked heavily with getting screen time. It was the same with Bonnie in TVD and why her character was treated like dust (as well as primarily Antiblackness and racism) by not getting a proper love interest like the other 2 leads. After all these years I feel like the damage has been done. We don’t even see her personal life (which doesn’t have to be a love interest considering how badly written those love arcs were in the past) but even a damn friend or new person in her life? Cisco got a new gf, iris got Allegra and Barry, idk I’ve just always noticed how lonely Caitlin is compared to everyone and to put it bluntly it makes her character boring which translates to years of bare minimum screen time and character developing. Even adding a new friend for her would increase screen time and add to her character, it would entail seeing how she is outside of her job and how she handles situations in a relationship. They could’ve even elaborated more on her relationship with her old colleague turned villain and how their relationship could reconcile after he expressed remorse for his evil acts in season 6 but they even put more emphasis on his relationship to Barry (still a complete stranger to him) than her. Thawne is right in that she needs to move on from team flash or they need to show more of a relationship with her and the team (I.e. disagreements, support, being challenged to be a better person by a close friend when a situation is thrown at her, bonding with iris and Cecile, Batwoman and Alex being invited to iris’s future ceremony over her (that was weird)). It's just been scaps since her alter identity was introduced. I don’t even think her and Allegra can be considered acquaintances much less family because they don’t put any emphasis on Caitlins relationships/screen time unless it’s a Caitlin-centric episode once every 2 seasons rather than sprinkling small moments between her and the team like they do with everyone else (even prior to season 7, Cisco was shown visibly closer to the team than her) which makes her character boring by proxy. They even downplay her use as a doctor compared to earlier seasons which makes her character useless and easily replaceable especially when she’s no longer a powerful meta human and this is coming from someone who again ROOTS for her the most on this show. I’ll have to stop watching if they keep her on this constant path.
Interesting analysis of Caitlin's character.
I dropped the show a while ago and Caitlin's treatment as a character from the show was a big factor considering how I felt they prioritize Killer Frost over her.
@@YuzuMelodious I literally stopped watching after season 3, they kept doing Caitlin dirty and I couldn’t stand it
@@Boom_Bianca I don't blame you for dropping it. Because as a person who watched the show's 4rth & 5th season, I can safely say Caitlin's treatment in the show didn't get any better from Season 3 onward.
She really needs better treatment from the writers. Her chracter has so much potential
2:19 - Dominick Torreto accepts you to his familia
Why the hell was caitlin so amazing this episode
Damn, Caitlin ! This scene was so good
It’s like Black Widow talking to Loki in prison
Is the Hulk about to jump in?
@@TheMeme882 let’s hope
Move on, says Thawne? Right, because you're the King of Getting Over It?
I like how they have there reverse flash now( I always liked how he is in this show but I said that because if you see the scene in this episode we’re he talks to Barry you just finally understand just how petty he is through his origins) and I hope they don’t change him but the one thing that I wish that they kept was his attachment to the flash team season 1. It could only be me but I like that about him he literally did so many awful things that he burned that bridge so many way that no one would want to fix it especially after nora but you could still see the connection he made to the og team in some of his reactions even in legends Thawne says he remembers his time with team flash that he actually cared about. But at the same time I understand why they don’t want to keep going with it because it would be meaning less especially after nora were even some fans don’t want to deal with that part of him and just want to hate him (including me). Sorry for the long thing I just wanted to talk about this because I honestly liked that about this version of the character.
Damn! And I thought Frost was the cold one. lol
This is season one Caitlin back to us
The Thawne actor single-handedly saved the show, no matter how horrible the writing got here always did a great job acting.
1:28 Says the guy that not only refuses to give up his obsession with being The Flash's greatest nemesis, but also the one who CAUSED everything to "come crashing down." The guy who manipulated her and Cisco and Ronnie and, for time, Hartley Rathaway from day one. The guy who had no intention of helping anyone other than himself. And finally, the guy who thinks that he can say whatever the hell he wants and still get what he wants. I think for Caitlin, it's more personal because after the particle accelerator explosion, when everybody blacklisted star labs and their entire staff, she and Cisco stuck by who they believed was Dr. Harrison Wells out of loyalty. For nine months she felt empathy for Harrison after losing everyone both professionally and personally because of what they thought was an accident. In spite of being pariahs in the scientific community, she and Cisco endeavored to help restore STAR Labs' reputation. She sacrificed nine months of her career and her life to stand by the man who ruined it deliberately. All that time she thought that he was giving her somewhere to go after losing her fiancé, when the truth is it was continued manipulation to his final agenda of getting back to his own time, no matter who had to be sacrificed. And ever since his true identity and nature were revealed, he has done nothing but torment and terrorize Team Flash. She was loyal to a lie. And the only irony in all this is that through that manipulation she gained TRUE friends and REAL family who have spent the last eight years watching her back and protecting her through her darkest moments. And I think the fact that he has no humility and not one kind word to say to her makes it all the more infuriating to be in the same room with him.
And that, I have to admit is a far more detailed yet with higher quality of a description than I can put on to describe this scene!
frost: damn sis didn't know you had it in you
caitlin: yes you did
frost: yeah I did
The way cait said you fadeaway 😂
The best scene of this episode ❤️
Thawne is ruthless as hell
that was perfect
Where the heck has this acting and directing been the past 5 seasons?
I swear down thawne is so brilliantly written, the only menacing villain if you ask me. I do not like the fact that they have given up on trying and now just bring him back to create a menacing villain.
his suit looks like one punch man saitama here lol
He made the particle accelerator happen 5 years early when he killed the 1st Harrison Wells, stole his face, his id, and life, all just to get Barry fast enough to return to the future. And it didn't workout. Thawne is too ignorant to realize that, or he does know but doesn't care. The 1st part with Barry was for nothing, killed Nora and framed Henry to prevent Barry from becoming the flash for nothing, he attempts to get the Spear of Destiny for nothing; and now creating a reverse flashpoint was all...for nothing.
@X-777 True, true. Just not the way he expected. His fate or losing his speed…it’s all karma on a universal and historical lvl. Historical I mean, by how many times he messed with the timeline.
Best Caitlin moment since season 3
I still want snowbarry to happen to this day 😖
Since season 4. Cause she had pretty iconic moments in season 4 but in s5 onwards the writers forgot about her which is a major reason for downfall of the show
She’s savage unlike Cisco plz stay forever Caitlin 🥺
I love how Thawne is.
"But i can accept it when someone dies"
Uh huh yea sure
this didnt aged too well
But not you you’re a Doctor
You won’t kill me
I won’t but I can accept it when someone dies
Is that right?
Maybe you forget
I know the real Caitlyn Snow
You’re right where you were Eight Years ago, remember??
Living your safe orderly life
Preparing for a Perfect Future
With your idiot Fiancee and then
It all came crashing down
What is Wrong with you ?
Ronnie was my whole Future and he is never coming back
He’s never coming back that’s what happened so what about you
You could have moved on
I mean you should have moved on
But instead you’re stuck here where you were 8 Years ago helping Team Flash and Barry Allen instead of getting on with your live
Fine you want Honesty
When I was resident Fresh out of Med school One of First Things they taught me
Is that sometimes you lose a Patient that Death is part of Life
So guess what
It’s your Turn
Because all the Speed in the world can’t help you outrun what’s coming for you
You’ll save me
You’ll save me Snow
You don’t have a Choice
And one other thing
I stayed her because Barry and the rest of the Team
They’re not just Friends
They’re Family
And just so we are Clear
What I’ve been doing for the last 8 Years is hating You
So if you’re looking for someone to save you
Look somewhere else
caitlin: i can accept it when someone dies
also caitlin: i'm going to use science hocus pocus to bring my dead sister back to life
Caitlin meant that she loved Frost, which is why she's willing to regain her "Sister"
Thawne on the other hand is the one who manipulated her's and nearly everyone (in Team Flash's) life, so whom do you assume she would save if given a choice?
Thawne really thought he had her but she ate him up!
I love her. !!!!
How did they not let him die smh lmao my Armageddon ended on part four because they threw everything out the window in part 5
Whether we like it or not!!! Thawne ain't going away anytime soon❤️
Damnnnnn we've come a long way from s1
@2:15 Dominic Toretto came in to help with some dialogue.
CAITLIN A BADDIE FR
She doesn't have friends, she's got family