Having given limbo a fair chance, I found focusing on limbos 1 and 3 and only using his 4th for more controlled clusters of enemies, opens limbo to more ways to play and build. For those unaware limbo is quite simple once you understand how his 1 and 3 interact - allowing you to put things in and out of the rift without using the 4th ability, simply press 1,3,1 and a cluster of things are now rifted, and you can just keep pressing that to have complete control over the tileset. In short limbo functions quite well with no helminth abilities, but depending on your build subbing out his 2 or 4 is much more optimal than removing his 1 or 3. As an example limbo can be used as a pretty great support frame, using his augment to heal allies in the rift, alongside putting well of life over one of his abilities, you can make pretty much any frame with any build pretty immortal - without really disrupting others game play. Side note - Most other warframes abilities example mesa 4th, can still effect things out side of the rift while rifted.
Since Limbo has plenty of energy regen from interacting with the rift plane, many people dump efficiency. So probably good to note that hold cast for his 1 will force all banished targets out of the rift plane, regardless of which plane Limbo himself is in and their distance from him, and costs no energy. (Of course, enemies within Cataclysm will immediately return to the rift plane, which isn't particularly useful, but will deal 300 impact damage to them twice).
Limbo mains will tell you real quick: you need to have a public build and a solo build. They play different and mixing them before his mechanics are second nature to you is probably going to piss off your public groups
I prefer playing Limbo via this sort of ‘Viral Banish’ mindset. Essentially treating ‘Banish’ has a sort of status which you spread virally by ‘Rift Torrent’. Limbo is a top tier CC and damage frame. People hate him because new players using Cataclysm but the reality is so few people know how to use him or truly understand his kit to the point they just think he’s a bad frame.
They need to revert nullifier mechanics to how they worked in the past, enemies inside their bubbles were immune to abilities but the bubbles didn't DISABLE your powers. So nullifiers could walk into cataclysm and as long as their bubble was up they and enemies inside would not be effected. I can't see them doing anything else besides that to make him useful against corpus or corrupted factions. He's a little iffy vs Infested too but not as much as factions with nullifiers. He's best against grineer and murmur. I tested limbo a while back using silence and rift torrent and my corrosive falcor lets me one shot acolytes due to the 1,000% damage i can get on steel path :)
Oh yeah and i forgot to mention they absolutely need to improve his Cataclysm augment so the bubble actually grows larger (up to its max size) when getting kills. It only increases the duration which isn't great imo@@wellplayedninjas
@@Darthmufin i actually like it to not get too big, i like to play limbo somewhat centered, chasing kills is kinda lame, i tried explaining that in the build explanation portion
Well then you would use your normal range build, im not saying to let it increase to max range, im saying make it as big as it is normally when you cast it. @@wellplayedninjas
Nullifiers are only really a problem if you are relying on cataclysm and only cataclysm to put things in the rift, its why i usually recommend that if you subsume a limbo ability dont make it banish, since its the main way around a single nullifier destroying your setup. I also just find banish works better with his 3 for large groups or enemies but cat would be better if you just want to go in, kill enemies and move on. You also lose the ability to force enemies out of the rift with ease by subsuming his banish
I just dont take him into nullifier title sets, i spoke with a few limbo mains and i get the whole 1-3-1 combo but to me its a little cast spammy and i wanna focus on shooting and less micro managing. It’s not a skill issue but a fun issue.
Something cool about Rift Surge is that it has two durations, one keeps enemies in the Rift and the other pulls enemies into the Rift, one has more duration than the other, allowing Rift Surge to sustain itself long after Banish and Cataclysm have gone by simply recasting Rift Surge after it pulls enemies into the Rift, that's why one duration is longer than the other. Say you had 20 seconds on Rift Surge and 15 seconds on it's Radial Banish, it's Radial Banish activates when the target leaves the Rift by any means, and Rift Surge lasts for 20 seconds giving 20 seconds for the target to leave the Rift by any means and when they do, Radial Banish will Banish the target and other targets within a radius for 15 seconds which means that Rift Surge is no longer active, you will now have 15 seconds to cast Rift Surge which lasts for 20 seconds ensuring that when it's Radial Banish activates again because the targets will at least leave the Rift via a 15 second Radial Banish, they will once again be banished by Radial Banish for another 15 seconds giving 15 seconds to cast Rift Surge again which lasts for 20 seconds, repeat until you can hear Vor screaming at you. Remember that you need Banish or Cataclysm to start the chain and Rift Surge and only Rift Surge to maintain it, I prefer to keep Cataclysm over Banish because it saves me from having to hold Banish repeatedly despite the fact that it's only to speed up the spread of Rift Surge which I can do with Cataclysm and I can use Cataclysm to protect defense objectives and include my teammates in the Rift so that I'm not completely disruptive when using Rift Surge. In the place of Banish I use Silence to stop Eximus Abilities.
I use Limbo as more of a run and gun frame now; dipping in and out of the rift as needed. Mostly run Whisper or Gloom. I have it small bubbled for defense objectives not really using him as intended however, I enjoy it from time to time.
@@wellplayedninjas I will say top 1 most slept on frame, 99% of people don't know how his whole kit works at all, it doesn't help every single big Warframe content creator openly shits on Limbo, hell the only OG Warframe partner that still uploads semi-frequently Tactical Potato still says he is a Troll frame and all others have really forgettable takes not worth mentioning.
Another little quirk i just realized is because cataclysm does blast damage when collapsing, you COULD use a single topaz blast to shields shard to regenerate shields so you have a shield gate for casting it again. This will get nerfed WHEN DE changes that shard to only work on blast status effects as stated though.
As a Limbo main I personally do not approve of you subsuming his 1, because cataclysm is useless once you understand his 1-3 combo. Also you can easily pop the bubble with the miter with augment or a high fire rate weapon. If interested I have several videos trashing the corpus.
@@wellplayedninjas the way it works is once a target is banished you can cast surge on them. Surge has a mechanic where if the target leaves the rift they do a banished explosion that pulls in nearby enemies including the original. To trigger this hold banished to activate the 3 then reactivate the 3 again banishing and rebanishing over and over to control the map and allows you to avoid enemies like nullifiers. It’s stupid strong and is how limbo actually works. It’s why you can subsume cataclysm and get the effects of a map wide cataclysm with the combo without ever worrying about the bubble popping. It’s in all of my videos too. It also is cheaper than constantly casting cataclysm and gives you way more freedom on which enemies you want rifted. In addition (super secret stuff) the banish explosion avoids nullifiers and pulls THEM IN.
@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT i will need to test this! Have a video specifically showcasing this? Kinda sad that alot of 4th skills just get removed on a lot of frames.
@@wellplayedninjas I’m actually working on one rn in response to the “Limbo Problem” but if you want to talk to Gamble as soon as you can and I can show you in person if interested 👌 Edit: he and I are friends so he’ll be able to get you in touch with me, I also know you two know each other (how I found your channel actually 😂)
@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT a perfect explanation, I decided to give a second chance to Limbo after NovaUmbral's video on him and once I finally understood debanishing Surged' targets, Cataclysm went to the bin. Since all abilities go through the rift plane, many helminth work while on safety, and a fun combo I made was Tenet Ferrox's thrown mode + Breach Surge. Add in the new armour strip from the shards, mod it for corrosive & get one with base magnetic and you got a polyvalent tool of lazy destruction. Sadly, he is little effective and hard to "use" with random squads in a comfortable way, and that is a massive issue.
Limbo is way a better frame than most of the other frames that benefit from more casting speed with the only exception maybe being Dante, Limbo's damage with Rift Torrent scales infinitely which is something those other frame lack, Limbo also doesn't need the 2 green Tau Forge Archon shards everyone is running since armor becomes quite irrelevant when the Slash proc from your main weapon is hitting for 1.5 million per tic of damage meaning you are free to add some other Shards that make Limbo even more stupidly broken by virtue of existing with some careful planning, in the other hand Exismus units are also not an issue and neither are Acolytes when the second they enter your range they just get hit by a massive wave of damage.
limbo main here i feel if u want to do this kind of gameplay larva is not needed or u can subsume over the 4th ability i am a cataclysm hater here has it is not good in pubs and not good vs corpus i use 1 then 3 then hold cast 1 this pulls enemy's into rift while controlling it a bit more and helps when it teams (i use barrage plus 2 greens for full strips from in the rift with breach surge has in pubs i can use it before jumping out of rift or use it with 1 and 3 for rift surges increases to breach surge and many other builds like thermal sunder) and in pubs with this it lets u pick a place a bit away or just 1 side of the objective and keep yourself and your full control there with nullifiers u can jump into there bubble and one shot them without losing the bubble u normally use where with the 1 and 3 i dont need to and can just right it with a dash right after 1shoting it and makes it so only really the shock eximus becomes scary
God forbid you play Warframe in anything besides endurance these days, amirite? Build looks solid - only advice I could give is don't worry about any arcanes that require taking damage because Limbo typically doesn't want to get hit at all. That said, unless you're playing further than SP lvl 200, it doesn't really matter, so... Cataclysmic Continuum is mid? Idfk
My builds are meant to follow the simple logic of “hey look what i made its fun you should try it!” Thats all i want. Bring back the fun in warframe and focus less on the grind 🫡
Was a Limbo Build on your 2024 Bingo card?
Most definitely NOT 🤣
But there you go, didn't disappoint!
Having given limbo a fair chance, I found focusing on limbos 1 and 3 and only using his 4th for more controlled clusters of enemies, opens limbo to more ways to play and build. For those unaware limbo is quite simple once you understand how his 1 and 3 interact - allowing you to put things in and out of the rift without using the 4th ability, simply press 1,3,1 and a cluster of things are now rifted, and you can just keep pressing that to have complete control over the tileset. In short limbo functions quite well with no helminth abilities, but depending on your build subbing out his 2 or 4 is much more optimal than removing his 1 or 3. As an example limbo can be used as a pretty great support frame, using his augment to heal allies in the rift, alongside putting well of life over one of his abilities, you can make pretty much any frame with any build pretty immortal - without really disrupting others game play. Side note - Most other warframes abilities example mesa 4th, can still effect things out side of the rift while rifted.
Thank you for sharing! Great explanation ❤️
Since Limbo has plenty of energy regen from interacting with the rift plane, many people dump efficiency. So probably good to note that hold cast for his 1 will force all banished targets out of the rift plane, regardless of which plane Limbo himself is in and their distance from him, and costs no energy. (Of course, enemies within Cataclysm will immediately return to the rift plane, which isn't particularly useful, but will deal 300 impact damage to them twice).
Limbo mains will tell you real quick: you need to have a public build and a solo build. They play different and mixing them before his mechanics are second nature to you is probably going to piss off your public groups
I prefer playing Limbo via this sort of ‘Viral Banish’ mindset. Essentially treating ‘Banish’ has a sort of status which you spread virally by ‘Rift Torrent’. Limbo is a top tier CC and damage frame. People hate him because new players using Cataclysm but the reality is so few people know how to use him or truly understand his kit to the point they just think he’s a bad frame.
@@TheStampi I'm intersted, would you mind sharing the 2 builds?
They need to revert nullifier mechanics to how they worked in the past, enemies inside their bubbles were immune to abilities but the bubbles didn't DISABLE your powers. So nullifiers could walk into cataclysm and as long as their bubble was up they and enemies inside would not be effected.
I can't see them doing anything else besides that to make him useful against corpus or corrupted factions. He's a little iffy vs Infested too but not as much as factions with nullifiers. He's best against grineer and murmur.
I tested limbo a while back using silence and rift torrent and my corrosive falcor lets me one shot acolytes due to the 1,000% damage i can get on steel path :)
Don’t sleep on the rifty boi 😎 i actually might start playing him more often
Oh yeah and i forgot to mention they absolutely need to improve his Cataclysm augment so the bubble actually grows larger (up to its max size) when getting kills. It only increases the duration which isn't great imo@@wellplayedninjas
@@Darthmufin i actually like it to not get too big, i like to play limbo somewhat centered, chasing kills is kinda lame, i tried explaining that in the build explanation portion
Well then you would use your normal range build, im not saying to let it increase to max range, im saying make it as big as it is normally when you cast it. @@wellplayedninjas
Fancy thumbnail! Your intro was also really enjoyable
Nullifiers are only really a problem if you are relying on cataclysm and only cataclysm to put things in the rift, its why i usually recommend that if you subsume a limbo ability dont make it banish, since its the main way around a single nullifier destroying your setup. I also just find banish works better with his 3 for large groups or enemies but cat would be better if you just want to go in, kill enemies and move on. You also lose the ability to force enemies out of the rift with ease by subsuming his banish
I just dont take him into nullifier title sets, i spoke with a few limbo mains and i get the whole 1-3-1 combo but to me its a little cast spammy and i wanna focus on shooting and less micro managing. It’s not a skill issue but a fun issue.
heat 🔥
Something cool about Rift Surge is that it has two durations, one keeps enemies in the Rift and the other pulls enemies into the Rift, one has more duration than the other, allowing Rift Surge to sustain itself long after Banish and Cataclysm have gone by simply recasting Rift Surge after it pulls enemies into the Rift, that's why one duration is longer than the other.
Say you had 20 seconds on Rift Surge and 15 seconds on it's Radial Banish, it's Radial Banish activates when the target leaves the Rift by any means, and Rift Surge lasts for 20 seconds giving 20 seconds for the target to leave the Rift by any means and when they do, Radial Banish will Banish the target and other targets within a radius for 15 seconds which means that Rift Surge is no longer active, you will now have 15 seconds to cast Rift Surge which lasts for 20 seconds ensuring that when it's Radial Banish activates again because the targets will at least leave the Rift via a 15 second Radial Banish, they will once again be banished by Radial Banish for another 15 seconds giving 15 seconds to cast Rift Surge again which lasts for 20 seconds, repeat until you can hear Vor screaming at you.
Remember that you need Banish or Cataclysm to start the chain and Rift Surge and only Rift Surge to maintain it, I prefer to keep Cataclysm over Banish because it saves me from having to hold Banish repeatedly despite the fact that it's only to speed up the spread of Rift Surge which I can do with Cataclysm and I can use Cataclysm to protect defense objectives and include my teammates in the Rift so that I'm not completely disruptive when using Rift Surge. In the place of Banish I use Silence to stop Eximus Abilities.
I use Limbo as more of a run and gun frame now; dipping in and out of the rift as needed. Mostly run Whisper or Gloom. I have it small bubbled for defense objectives not really using him as intended however, I enjoy it from time to time.
He top 5 most slept on for sure
@@wellplayedninjas I will say top 1 most slept on frame, 99% of people don't know how his whole kit works at all, it doesn't help every single big Warframe content creator openly shits on Limbo, hell the only OG Warframe partner that still uploads semi-frequently Tactical Potato still says he is a Troll frame and all others have really forgettable takes not worth mentioning.
Another little quirk i just realized is because cataclysm does blast damage when collapsing, you COULD use a single topaz blast to shields shard to regenerate shields so you have a shield gate for casting it again. This will get nerfed WHEN DE changes that shard to only work on blast status effects as stated though.
God forbid Limbo 4th gets any help 😂
Don't use the bubble for rifting just banish enemies then surge then hold banish and repeat till everyone is f#$@&d
Then you stasis and do your best impression of the “So anyway, I started blasting.” Meme
As a Limbo main I personally do not approve of you subsuming his 1, because cataclysm is useless once you understand his 1-3 combo. Also you can easily pop the bubble with the miter with augment or a high fire rate weapon. If interested I have several videos trashing the corpus.
Explain his 1-3 combo? My knowledge on Limbo excludes this. I really enjoy his 4th and didn’t struggle in SP with my build at all.
@@wellplayedninjas the way it works is once a target is banished you can cast surge on them. Surge has a mechanic where if the target leaves the rift they do a banished explosion that pulls in nearby enemies including the original. To trigger this hold banished to activate the 3 then reactivate the 3 again banishing and rebanishing over and over to control the map and allows you to avoid enemies like nullifiers. It’s stupid strong and is how limbo actually works. It’s why you can subsume cataclysm and get the effects of a map wide cataclysm with the combo without ever worrying about the bubble popping. It’s in all of my videos too. It also is cheaper than constantly casting cataclysm and gives you way more freedom on which enemies you want rifted. In addition (super secret stuff) the banish explosion avoids nullifiers and pulls THEM IN.
@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT i will need to test this! Have a video specifically showcasing this? Kinda sad that alot of 4th skills just get removed on a lot of frames.
@@wellplayedninjas I’m actually working on one rn in response to the “Limbo Problem” but if you want to talk to Gamble as soon as you can and I can show you in person if interested 👌
Edit: he and I are friends so he’ll be able to get you in touch with me, I also know you two know each other (how I found your channel actually 😂)
@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT a perfect explanation, I decided to give a second chance to Limbo after NovaUmbral's video on him and once I finally understood debanishing Surged' targets, Cataclysm went to the bin. Since all abilities go through the rift plane, many helminth work while on safety, and a fun combo I made was Tenet Ferrox's thrown mode + Breach Surge. Add in the new armour strip from the shards, mod it for corrosive & get one with base magnetic and you got a polyvalent tool of lazy destruction.
Sadly, he is little effective and hard to "use" with random squads in a comfortable way, and that is a massive issue.
Limbo is way a better frame than most of the other frames that benefit from more casting speed with the only exception maybe being Dante, Limbo's damage with Rift Torrent scales infinitely which is something those other frame lack, Limbo also doesn't need the 2 green Tau Forge Archon shards everyone is running since armor becomes quite irrelevant when the Slash proc from your main weapon is hitting for 1.5 million per tic of damage meaning you are free to add some other Shards that make Limbo even more stupidly broken by virtue of existing with some careful planning, in the other hand Exismus units are also not an issue and neither are Acolytes when the second they enter your range they just get hit by a massive wave of damage.
limbo main here i feel if u want to do this kind of gameplay larva is not needed or u can subsume over the 4th ability i am a cataclysm hater here has it is not good in pubs and not good vs corpus i use 1 then 3 then hold cast 1 this pulls enemy's into rift while controlling it a bit more and helps when it teams (i use barrage plus 2 greens for full strips from in the rift with breach surge has in pubs i can use it before jumping out of rift or use it with 1 and 3 for rift surges increases to breach surge and many other builds like thermal sunder) and in pubs with this it lets u pick a place a bit away or just 1 side of the objective and keep yourself and your full control there with nullifiers u can jump into there bubble and one shot them without losing the bubble u normally use where with the 1 and 3 i dont need to and can just right it with a dash right after 1shoting it and makes it so only really the shock eximus becomes scary
I'd recommend Combat Discipline with Arcane Avenger.
No 😎
@@wellplayedninjas 🗿
Maaaan... You can't just tease a Topaz-shard shield-gating Limbo build and then NOT deliver! 😤
Also; Inaros build when? ⏳
who’s inaros?
*Me looking in the mirror*
Am I wierd, because I main Limbo or do I main Limbo, because I am wierd?
OK, but now you’re double dipping on base damage which is just a negative outcome
God forbid you play Warframe in anything besides endurance these days, amirite? Build looks solid - only advice I could give is don't worry about any arcanes that require taking damage because Limbo typically doesn't want to get hit at all. That said, unless you're playing further than SP lvl 200, it doesn't really matter, so...
Cataclysmic Continuum is mid? Idfk
My builds are meant to follow the simple logic of “hey look what i made its fun you should try it!” Thats all i want. Bring back the fun in warframe and focus less on the grind 🫡
@@wellplayedninjas the grind is the best part mah bwah 💯
how are you triggering avenger without combat discipline?
Take any form of damage?
Why we have to be weird 😕
Unusual* no one takes limbo seriously, lets change that!
💀💀💀