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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 พ.ย. 2023
- After daily driving this car for 6+ months, I am here to share with you all the things that bother me about this car. These range from things I HATE, things i dislike, and things i think could be improved on. I also go over some quirky things about the car as well.
I understand this is a very long video, however if you are considering buying this car please hear out all my detailed thoughts!
This applies to 2022, 2023, and 2024 civic model years.
Time Stamps Below:
0:27 Wipers Design
5:40 Cowl Design
7:07 Under the hood
9:19 Lack of remote start
10:07 Hill Assist & Electronic E-Brake
12:27 Awful Center Console
16:28 Knee Contact Point
16:47 Lack of storage space
17:27 Piano black plastic
18:42 Steering wheel airbag/horn
19:34 Steering wheel buttons
20:35 Back seats with plastic sides
21:30 Hatch Storage (depth)
22:40 Rear Wiper
23:18 Wiper Blades no longer replaceable
24:49 Lack of an exhaust tip
25:31 Leaking Hatch
27:15 Cant Turn Headlights off
29:12 Cant turn off seat belt indicator
29:50 Throttle tuning
30:54 Little to no engine braking
32:35 Rev Hang when stopped
33:33 No coolant gauge
34:06 Overall quality & window seals
35:03 Vent selection dial is distracting
36:30 Relentless dinging noises and error messages
38:16 Infotainment complaints / speakers
38:45 Can't shut engine off and leave music on
39:19 Things that make sense for the CVT civic, but not manual
41:00 Trip meter hidden with data screen
42:04 Vtec engagement point with manual trans
43:02 Fuel door design
44:05 Car locks & unlocks when washing
44:46 Soft rear suspension
46:27 RELENTLESS seat belt chime - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Before we bash this guy, watch his video, look at the other cars in his driveway (older Hondas). His comments are factual, benchmarked and legit.
You the real MVP!
@@NAUS2KI own a 2010 civic was thinking of a sport touring so this was very helpful
@NAUS2K I understand about people complaining about wiper cowl design. I've been looking at 2023-2025 Honda Pilot to buy very soon. So plenty of TH-cams guy actually took back complaining the wipers hitting hood cowl was defective.
We have a 2000 Acura 3.2TL sedan and 2007 Honda Ridgeline Pickup in family. The also each have this design. I remember in 1999 guys on internet complaining. Maybe Honda does it for aero dynamics reason.
So we just purchased a 2024 Civic Hatchback Sport CVT 2.0 4ycyl in Luna Silver last Saturday 3/30/24.
This is for family member to replace aged car. As said I myself will replace my aged Acura with 2025 Pilot Elite. It has somewhat seem design with wipers and cowl.
Great looking Civic Hatchback you have.
Great video. I own a 2016 Civic touring sedan (10th gen) and have been researching the 11th gens somewhat looking into the future, and also leaning heavily towards a manual. I've owned several Hondas and I'm definitely a Honda guy as well. Just want to encourage you to keep doing these, I really appreciate how you are so informative and detailed. Your attention to small things that scream for better engineering such as the wiper issues, the gas tank door, and the console, etc... these are the secret things that only an owner as well spoken as yourself could reveal to the public. I also don't understand why there's no remote start on manuals as you explained. I think that a lot of these issues could've come down simply to cost, but we may never know. My gen 10 has some quirks as well and it's a CVT unfortunately, but out of all of the cars I've owned, it remains my favorite even with the quirks. Plus I don't mind tinkering here and there to improve this and that to my liking. The CVT actually performs quite well too, is very smooth and has had no issues in 7 years.🤞
Sorry so long here😂 Happy motoring! 🏁😎
Appreciate the comment and kind words my friend ! I plan to keep making more videos with my experiences with this car along the way. I am very glad so many people are finding them helpful !
Well written comment. I suspect that remote start on a manual transmission isn’t offered for safety. Of course if it’s in gear, and there is a sensor to know that it’s in gear and/or in neutral, it could inhibit engine start. However if the sensor has just failed, and the engine computer hasn’t yet diagnosed that it has failed, it would definitely be an immediate safety issue if it starts in gear…it will hit the car parked in front, the garage, or worst case a person. That’s my guess as to why it’s not offered, anyway.
I also have a '16 Civic Touring sedan which is coming up on 130,000 miles. Its been an amazing daily commuter since I bought it used in 2018.
This is a great review.. love how you mentioned even the smallest of things because it’s just simply stuff you don’t think about while your car shopping
Exactly! Thank you for understanding!
Owned same car (different color) for about 5 weeks. I love your videos on this. And I didn't know the windshield blades could be moved manually. That's a big help!
Your videos are helping me so much - thank you!! 🙏
EXACTLY RIGHT on the wiper fluid spray method.
Every time I use it, It always feels like the fluid is being blocked by wipers which are supposed to spray onto the windscreens. It made me feel fear that my windscreen will be scratched by dusts each time. And thanks for the tricks on how to get them to stand up.
That was the most thorough review I have ever seen. You are only one who has mentioned these issues. 👍👍👍👍
That was my hopes, I’m glad you found value in it. Thanks man!!!
this is very informative and honest. people should appreciate what you do.
Thanks for sharing, you are right about the cup holder, now if you are spilling your coffee is gonna be hard for cleaning!
I got a 2023 Sport Hatch 6MT two months ago and look forward to your videos about this vehicle. Most people are covering the touring trims so I'm happy you're covering the base trim. I feel I can trust you to let me know about things I need to watch out for with my vehicle, and any future maintenance issues that may come up, so please keep updating on your vehicle. I overall am loving the car (after having come from a used 2011 Buick Regal that I did not care for) and am really enjoying all the new little features these new vehicles have.
I agree with a lot of your complaints, and some of your complaints I had no idea about and am glad to now know about as well so this is a pretty great, informational video for owners of this trim. I really dislike losing the freedom of my windshield mist for my wipers, because it can be annoying trying to properly clean my windshield while driving. It's something I can live with, but I agree with how you feel on them. Also very glad to know about how those wipers are going to need to be pulled before winter hits us.
The hill assist always bugged me a bit, but once I decided to just start using the brake hold I haven't had to worry. Mildy inconvenient not being able to roll forward without disabling it, but it's fine. I actually love not worrying about a roll-back so that heavily outweighs the con for me.
I'm surprised you didn't hate/mention the Idle-Stop feature though. If there is one thing I truly dislike about the vehicle, this is it. I guess it's not so much a vehicle-specific nag, since these are in most vehicles now due to the many eco regulations. I really hate having to make sure it's off every time I drive, though. I haven't driven a manual since my '94 Civic that I had almost a decade ago, so this idle-stop feature kept faking me out making me think I had stalled the vehicle, thereby causing me to actually stall the vehicle. Now, every time I drive I have to remember to de-activate it, which is somewhat of an annoyance.
Otherwise, I see all your complaints and think they are valid. Coming from someone who has never owned a new vehicle until this one, I am just happy knowing that this is an extremely reliable vehicle that I can drive well past my payments.
On a side note, I see you average ~31 MPG and am wondering if you have any more tips on that? I may need to go back and watch one of your driving videos again where you explain how you keep your MPG's high, but I was wondering what kinds of RPMs you're looking for, and what your overall driving style is to get that. I might still just have a new-car high and be flooring it way more than I should be, but I feel like I still try to drive conservatively and yet still average about 28-29 MPG at best. I may just be trying to have too much fun with the vehicle. I also do a fair amount of city driving - a commute to and from work which ups my MPG, and then a commute to and from my gym in the city which probably lowers it.
Anyways, thanks for the video, and please keep updating on the vehicle. I'm no car expert so it's incredibly useful and comforting hearing you speak on the vehicle so that I know what I may need to keep an eye on.
First off , I really appreciate you taking the time to write out that comment! I’m glad you found the video helpful. I didn’t mention the idle stop because I think most new cars have it. The only civic that does not is the type R. I’ve gotten use to hitting the button every time I get in the car so it’s almost become a habit now. There are still times I forget to and it really catches me off guard. I don’t baby the car, I get on it quite a bit so 31 mph average over the cars life so far surprised me . I rarely do any highway driving but when I do I can get over 40mpg. I’ll do my best to keep everyone updated !
on the a spec integra (and presumably Si too) you can set auto start stop to turn off with drive modes, in individual, and sport, and its just an extra flick of a switch upon startup
You get 31 mph without highway driving?!? That's insane. You definitely gotta give us a full featuer video about how to you drive this thing, because I couldn't ever imagine getting such high mileage to the gallon. Can't wait to hear more about the vehicle! You really are the only source I can find on YT about this specific trim, so your videos are extremely helpful! @@NAUS2K
With this manual transmission, we only get an "Eco" mode, which just throttles our throttle. Basically we can either drive normally or drive with the eco. Either way, it's still just an extra flick like you say to cancel the idle-stop. It's just an annoyance when you forget, and since it's a manual you can get tripped up easily because it's off and it might make you think you stalled it if you aren't expecting it. There's actually a $100 kit you can install that will always shut it off upon start, but I'd rather not spend $100 to automatically press a button every time I drive.
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@@Hitsu123 its not an issue for me personally because i prefer to drive the car in individual whenever possible haha, because of the way ive set up the steering, throttle, and suspension. On the highway Ill use comfort sometimesvwhich does enable auto start stop, but when im off the highway, i switch back to individual. I do find it peculiar that the Type R/Integra Type S do not have auto start stop at all, even though they technically would be the most polluting of the Civics
I bought the 2024 sport touring a few months ago and reasons I chose it was because of the cool functional dual exhaust and fog lights!! I don't really mind at all on those minor issues you've stated. Although I do agree with you. Still, it's okay for me. But yeah, the color I have is mauve pearl which makes it even more unique and sporty. It's just a fun car to drive especially when you have a turbo engine no doubt. All I can say is, I cannot love a human baby more than I love my sport touring lol
i feel like the fog lights on the 11th gen dont do anything
Thank you for sharing your experience, it's a very beautiful car, sad to say that certain things are not the same anymore, thank you for sharing.
Thank you for making a in-depth video more than just talking about basic stuff. I really appreciated the thorough examination and long-term thought process. I feel like so many products get overlooked. And it made me re-evaluate getting an older civic instead of a new one. Just because it has Apple CarPlay. Lol
Thanks for the great review - as a manual transmission driver I am considering the 6 MT Civic as my next car but you’ve brought a lot of valid concerns up on this car …
As 23' hatchback manual owner I totally agree that the center console is steps backward in design, there is no way I can rest my elbow comfortably no matter how I tried it.
I guess the CVT trims have it better in that regard.
Excellent video. I picked up my 2024 Civic Sport Hatchback with Manual Transmission about a week ago (April 2025)and already noticed some of the same annoyances you point out. Your video points out some I did not see yet. Thank you for this very informative video.
Thanks for the great video. I just purchased a ‘24 Sport with MT. Just over 500 miles on it at this point. I am just now learning about some of my dislikes. Your list is spot on, but none of them are deal breakers for me. One thing you didn’t mention that I have noticed is that the car will turn itself off. Twice I have stopped at the gas station with my kids in the car, and when I go back out the car has turned itself off. Probably because I had the keys in my pocket. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a key FOB. Right now it’s not a big deal, but in the middle of summer it won’t take long for the interior to start heating up. Additionally, I have heard an intermittent rattle. It’s only happened twice, but I hope to find the culprit soon. As a music lover I wish the speakers were slightly better. I will upgrade those soon. Picking up the mudguards and the rubber cargo mat from the dealership tomorrow. Please keep up with the great videos. Cheers!
I have a '24 Sport hatch 6MT as well and I don't think that has ever happened to me, granted I always turn the car off when I'm at the gas station since I will be filling up anyways. The only times when the car turns itself off is when I have the ON/OFF auto engine shutoff feature enabled and I'm completely stopped in neutral foot off the clutch and brake pedal depressed. I always have that feature tuned off and only turn it on if I know I'll be waiting in line for longer periods of time like on a busy drive thru or like when I go fill up at Costco.
Have you found out what the rattle is!! I have 24 sport hatch and I have a rattle occasionally.
@@anthonypassalacqua3169I actually found it today. It was located above and behind the recline handle on the front passenger seat. Just in front of the hinge where the seat folds there are two molded plastic pieces that were the source. I just placed some pressure from the top and it fixed it. If it returns I will seek a more permanent solution.
Don't apologize. Excellent critique sir! Honda certainly change what didn't needed to be changed.
Thank you sir!!
Great video and hit on most of my complaints with the ST model.
Only things to add -
First I'm going to +1 the wiper, horn, play/pause, and camera notification complaints.
Steering wheel developed a quiet spring ping sound when turning at certain speeds,
Paint is really thin and chips easy,
No option to have the brake hold stay on after shutdown,
Front seat has a weird seam on the bottom rear and lower (lumbar?) bolster that can cause discomfort depending on the person (this isn't helped by the lack of lumbar control),
For the ST model, the auto wipers can be annoying in certain conditions, it would have been nice to have Auto Low and Intermittent w/ speed control instead of Auto High + Low and "sensitivity",
All in all I still like the car and think at MSRP it is the best option for a new vehicle with its practicality, features and good implementation of buttons instead of touchscreens.
Realistically Honda could fix all of these problems and make a near perfect commuter at a great price.
This is a real world usage review. Thank you so much for making it. I'm an old-fashion guy who is happy with a manual transmission and an AM/FM radio. I was excited about this model because it doesn't have a turbo. Now I'm thinking about maybe looking at a truck like the Frontier or a Mazda 3 with a manual.
Why can't a car company just make a quality good old fashion car that handles well? I find all the tech so annoying.
I was considering a manual Tacoma too, but it needs a little more towing capacity for what I’d need a truck for
Mazda ftw
I have 2019 Honda Accord Sport, 6 speed manual transmission. I see that your shift knob same as my on Accord. After 3 years shift knob started to fall apart, now I am looking to replace it. I believe your shift knob is going to have same fate. I googled it, and a lot of owners have same issue. And you are so right about gas tank door, I always have to lock my car before washing it, because it opens when I am running sponge over it. And thank you for the informative video!
Absolutely can't wait to buy this car next year. Hopefully the dealerships are less scummy when I do. Just graduated nursing school and this would be a great commuter for the rest of my career. These are honestly very valid critiques. Great content!
Congrats on starting your nursing career and good luck! 5 year nurse here and my graduation car that I got later on was a Miata but your choice is way more practical and useful lol
Don't get the 2022-24. Get a really good 2021 Sport instead.
@@scottdesjardins9580Why is that?
If you commute long distance …the gas mileage is terrible. I average about 20 mpg and that is the same for the 1.5L turbo and the 2.0 L. Also, I guess if you have not had a previous version then you won’t know what you are missing from prior models
@@aidanmiddleton9239 there are so many reasons. See my previous comment, please
I'm looking into buying a Sport Hatch MT6 myself, for no-turbo, no-DI goodness, before crazy laws take effect, so I really appreciate these videos.
I might wrap the wiper arms with silicone tape or something to prevent accidental metal-to-metal touching....
A Subaru I had had an additional nozzle attached to the wiper to hit the eyesight camera area, but that was *in addition* to the regular nozzles.
My current Fit EX MT6 w/ Honda-Sensing (very rare), which I will KEEP, has Hill Assist, and it works for Reverse gear also. I assume that is true for the Civic.
It's strange how watching these videos make me love my Fit more (laugh). Manual HVAC controls, manual parking brake, no idle-stop, no weird wiper issues, completely separate tachometer, normal mechanical fuel door and fuel cap, and I can keep the damn headlights OFF!
I watched nearly all your videos on your 2022 Civic. I then purchased a 2023 Civic Sport manual in pearl white last week for 26k and could not be happier. All your complaints are valid, but haven't ruined my experience thus far. I'm really jealous of your color matched spoiler:) Please keep making videos. They are the best I have seen for the 11th Gen at our trim level.
Legit review, all useful information. I've looked at some new Civics, and they've never had a demo, especially the 6 SPD stick. The interior would have bugged me on long trips, for sure. Thanks for sharing.
Finally!!!!!!! About time you uploaded. I missed you man
Excellent video, thanks. In addition, since I am also 6'3", your comments on tall driver ergonomics are much appreciated.
Awesome video, man! I appreciate the transparent information as it really helps people know the truth you won't read online or at a dealership. I was shopping 11th gens (I own a CVT '20 sport touring hatch) lightly but I really wasn't impressed with the gutted features and higher price points so I'm keeping my 10th gen. Videos like this have only made my decision easier, but I also appreciate the advancements in the 11th gen like Honda sensing and the more subtle design language. I still will watch what you love because I really like the new civics even though I'm against buying one!
Careful what you wish for with the HVAC. Acura's has about 30 buttons. Also, my TSX has a similar push to open fuel door. I too prefer the release handle found in my 9th gen Civic. Great video!
I own a rav4 but recently bought a 2024 civic sport for my daughter and found this videos very informative thanks for sharing your experience
Before I got my 2023, platinum white pearl civic sport 6MT hatchback. My last civic was a tango red pearl 2008 EX5MT and I ran into pretty much every problem and things that you hate about yours with mine.
I’m 6 foot and came from a CRV into my civic sport 6MT hatch and had both of the same armrest issues you mentioned, and the leg against the lower cubby issue. and the lack of cubbies and space.
But I’m a bigger dude and I had forgotten how low the civic was especially coming from a CRV and it took a while for me to develop the swinging karate kick I needed to do to get in the car, but there was no easy getting out for me. It would’ve been easier to just hurl myself out onto the sidewalk. I didn’t have these problems with the CRZ I had before my CRV because of its long doors but it was just irritating and I ended up upgrading to a new accord ex that suits me better.
Anyways, enjoy your civic and I’ll continue to watch your channel .
I have just over 1000 miles on my 2024 white sport 6MT. I plan on making a video soon as well just haven’t had the time. I have done a few things to mine to solve some of the issues I have had with mine. Thanks again for the thorough video!
I found this quite helpful and don’t mind the long review. I’m not going to buy this model, which I was thinking of buying. I appreciate your honesty.😊
Cool tips about the wipers! Thank you.
No problem! Glad you found that helpful because I feel like I talked about it way too much!
I know what you mean my hill assist issues. I had my 2019 Subaru STI for only few weeks bought new when was on a hill. Let out the clutch too fast dues to not being used to the car and stalled. Problem the guy in the van behind me was taking off very aggressively when light changed and rear-ended by new car. Blamed myself but the guy behind me as well. I was very paranoid from then on. I have a 2006 BMW Z4 M Coupe bought new and never have had issue with hill assist. The hill assist on the new cars seem to hold too strong with the hill assist. Sorry for the long post! Nice video pointing out things that owners should be aware of.
Just subscribed. Thankyou for covering the what and why of things you think could be improved on this car. Knowing how satisfied you are with the car yet honestly pointing out issues that might have been overlooked or unnecessarily changed from previous gens is invaluable. I noticed a white HRV in the background. I have a 2017 manual HRV and was wondering, if your HRV is manual? If so, how does this new manual Civic compare to the manual HRV? Love my HRV. It has close to 100k and this civic sport hatchback seems like a perfect next (manual) vehicle. Not sure of the difference in ground clearance between the 2? But it looks like the civic is closer to the ground which is a slight concern. It almost seems, unfortunately, that it's illegal or against the law for manuals to be paired with AWD for some weird reason. Hard to find one other than the 2023 Crosstrek. Thanks again for your time, effort and thoughts on this intriguing Civic.
I own the 2023 sport hatchback model as well. My only pet peeve is that it did not come with standard blindspot monitor and rear cross traffic alert or at the very least allow those features as add-on by the dealership. But still, I really love the car and very glad that I chose it.
This is really informative !! Thank you I’m looking at a 24 sport with the 6 speed and kinda just looking at what I’m getting into
OK, I really appreciate this review of the car. Bought a new ‘24 Civic sport yesterday. This is helpful.
I have a 2022 Hatch EXL and these are my issues. I have a tremendous amount of water is retains in the drivers side door sill, to the point where is pours out when I open the door. I also have a significant amount of interior rattles and creaks from the dash and ceiling which is surprising for honda fir and finish. Lastly, I often have interior moisture build up on the center bottom of the windshield.
I concur the highlight issue is a pain but I've gotten around this by turning the dial to the parking lights option. Thanks for the great video!.
Awesome video, I'm currently shopping for a new car and apparently there isn't a lot of new affordable manual tranny cars so this was one of the cars I was looking at. So if I do end up getting this, I know which video to go back to. Others that I looked at are the GR86/BRZ
Extremely informative, even if I don’t find the same irritation with certain things it’s great to know what to expect with the 11th gen. You mentioned a mid trim ‘25 refresh, are they officially making meaningful changes or could it just be mundane tweaks? Love your vids, thanks!
I have no idea if there will be a 2025 refresh but I just assumed so . Honda always does something after 2-3 years of initial release. I’m surprised they didn’t make any changes to the 2024s as it is
@@NAUS2K I own 2003 Civic with a 5-speed manual transmission. This model was introduced in 2001 with the mid-cycle refresh in 2004. I believe Honda usually does a refresh on the 4th year of a cycle, so for the all-new 2022 model the refresh will come in the 2025 model year. Thanks for the great review!
I'm with you with the front wiper blades and especially the seatbelt warning!
I have a CLA Merc and if l carry something reasonably heavy in the passenger seats. There is an annoying alarm that buzzes every 10 seconds or so.
And l can't find a way of turning it off!
Yes you can put the seatbelt on before you set off. But if you forget, or if what you have in the seat is too bulky. That isn't an option.
Wiper blades the same. When washing l can only lift them slightly.
I've had 4 civics in my life, the 1st was a 97 dx manual, 2nd 2005 Si, 3rd was a 2004 lx which my son is currently driving at 350,000km! Timing belts were the only big repairs. I currently own a 2010 exl manual. The first 3 civics I put well over 300,000 km before selling or giving to my kids. I've always done my own maintenance and being retired now and not racking up milage I once did (the 2010 only has 170,000km) so I will most likely keep this car for many more years. I've never purchased a new vehicle and wanted to do this one time. I researched and considered trading in my 8th gen to purchase the 11th gen hatchback manual as you did but as I compared I only grew to appreciate my 8th gen even more! Living now in the mountains in a very high snowfall area of Quebec I also realized that I do need an awd suv. I love Honda and looked at the new crv but I cannot do a cvt trans or a hybrid so in the end I decided to simply keep the 2010 civic and have ordered a 2024 Mazda cx-5. I wish I could get a new manual trans suv but it's not possible anymore. I do like the fact that Mazda so far does not make a cvt. I also own a 1999 miata, (manual of course) which I will also keep forever! Thank you for your very honest review of your new civic. I can tell you take pride in taking good care car of your cars as I do and it will last you a very long time.
Thank you for the comment! I absolutely loved my 2007 Si and 2010 LXS. Fantastic cars and were both more fun to drive than this new one, hopefully I’ll be making some minor tweaks to make this one more fun to drive, but it still doesn’t fix the majority of things I mention in this video.
Tacoma manual 4x could be your choice😅
I’ve had my 24 ST 6MT for about 3 weeks now and took it in after 4 days for the hatch water issue, got it handled they re sealed all the back and haven’t had any issues with it at all since. Cup holder I actually enjoy for most drinks. Got a baby on the way so curious to see how the stroller will fit in there, as for the engine braking down hill I owned a 2020 brz prior and the difference between the two is night and day on the hills. And yea cruise control with no traffic is perfect but if the car even remotely notices someone infront of you even if they’re a distance away I feel it slow and brake almost as if it’s afraid to even chance getting near the car.
As for the cars gauge cluster it seems like a lot of those issues you have with the trip meter and everything are fixed with the full digital cluster. Shame Honda put the easier cluster at a higher price point.
I MISS having the windshield wiper fluid deploy from on top of the hood, i always thought that was a great design on some of Honda's taller vehicles like the pilot and some of their trucks.
Yeah, you get wiper fluid on the hood of your car but its such a good application. On some of those longer family trips id take in my 04 Honda pilots where wed be cruising 80 mph, it was nice to know that within seconds my field ot view would be dead clear because i could apply 3-4 coats of wiper fluid before turning them on.
Only thing I'll add that might help is that (at least on ST trim) I can just press the volume knob in to "pause" the audio. It technically turns the audio off but it essentially pauses the music or podcast I am listening too. Its at least a little easier to hit a knob than a little button on the screen. But the steering wheel should really just have a pause/play button.
I have a 2013 Acura TSX 6spd manual. It's got low miles but I was still thinking of shopping for the Civic Sport Touring, the Acura Integra and the Mazda 3 Premium. The whole thing with the center console and the elbow/shifting position has me worried on the Civic and Integra. I'll definitely need to be aware of that when I eventually test drive these. Thanks for the VERY informative video.
This is a great owners review. Most talk about how much I love and how much I love this…or pointing out the obvious.
Great informative video! I'm currently in the process of buying almost the exact same car, but with the CVT, to replace my 10th gen Sport. My main "worries" are quality control and the use of fabric for the arm rests. The center arm rest is easily replacable, but the ones on the doors a bit of a pain.
Thank you for a very thorough and informative video.
Dude this car is soo nice man. The engine bay space looks like a dream. My 8th gen civic has little to no space as you know. If this generation had a manual parking brake I would have bought one. But esthetically the hatchback in this color or red looks bad AF. I always stare haha. But then I remember about the electronic emergency brake lol
You really know your stuff. Scary! A similar review on the new Acura Integra with Tech would be appreciated.
That armrest situation will drive me crazy
I watch the whole video you did an awesome job on things that are important when you’re looking for a new vehicle keep up the good work
I appreciate your honesty! The wiper thing is fairly common on a lot of modern cars
I really like your review. Ease of ownership. All the little annoyances are good to know.
Wow not being able to turn off the Auto lights is absolutely insane.
Man, I couldn’t agree more about the whole wiper thing. If your drivers window is open, you are going to wear a gallon of washer fluid too. The old spritz nozzles, you could finesse it on both side of the wiper blades.
Also, the leak I have is apparently water getting in between the glass no well bonded to the hatch along the top. It happens when you drive in the rain.
Coming from Subarus, oil changed were literally 10 minutes. I could reach drain plug without jacking the car up or anything. Not anymore!
Honestly, so far those are the only things bugging me.
The manual is sweet.
Excellent video!
Good point about not being able to turn lights off while driving. I've been in situations pulling up to a security gate at night where you are required to turn off headlights.
Was just watching a Honda video where you can turn them off if power is on and car is in "Park" (CVT). The lever bounces back each time though. So first push forward turns them off. Second push forward turns them back on.
Thank you for your honest words!
Nothing is perfect you’re civic is awesome bro enjoy it
These are all good things to know when considering this Civic! I have the same light annoyance in a Mazda3. Illuminating the neighbor’s house with intense Zenon lamps could be avoided if modern cars allowed us to just use PARKING lights to I dunno, park the car.
it's due to regulations in some European countries...but instead of making different versions for different markets....they dont
Complaints are valid. The washer fluid nozzle/spray design was something I immediately disliked. I bought my 11th Gen sport hatch right as pollen season kicked in and I was like wow what a shit design. Interested in hearing how the SI rear spring struts come out. I’d consider doing this. Please post a video!
I have the 23 Civic EXL hatchback (Turbo 1.5) and what I like least about it is the discomfort I experience on the knees when I rest them on the center console on the right or on the door panel on the left while driving. Either side is equally uncomfortable.
Right right. That cargo thing is a situational scenario.
I can see overall not having that depth. But I did put entire bathroom vanity from home depot, already assembled in the box into the back of my civic hatch with those seats down. It was doin small truck work that day
Yeah no doubt with the rear seats folded down the room is massive !
I've been looking to replace my 2013 Accord 6MT and the Civic was on the short list due to it having a manual transmission option. It's almost like Honda has sort of gone backwards with some of their design and manufacturing. I know it's a Civic and an economy car but these head scratching quirks/flaws just don't exist on previous models. The wiper & headlight stuff would really bug me long term, for sure. Great vid and information. I'll check Mazda but their MT options are also fading fast. Maybe I'll get a Versa!
Great video. Good attention to details from a negative side. This car is still at the top of my 2024 purchase list. Thank you for the ongoing reviews.
You are welcome I’m glad you find value in them! Cheers my friend
Really appreciate the center console discussion. Elbow placement is HUGE for people that will ONLY drive manuals.
I have a 24 manual integra and the wipers drive me nuts too. The whole thing with having to slide them up to be able get them out of the way and don't get me started with the weird positioning of the water nozzles. Other than that I feel like this generation of Civic platform is amaizing. Honda really made it feel like a higher class of car with how substantial and refined it feels
Yeah the wipers are so impractical. Just realized another situation is using the sprayer to coat the windshield when there is a thin layer of ice on it warming up in the morning. In any other car you can do that and not move the wipers until it’s mostly unfrozen
Just wanted to say thank you for detail and when you put into this. Finally replacing my 98 318ti manual. This is the only car that has captivated me. Manual, no direct injection, no turbo, versatile.
Everything you pointed out would be annoying, but the reduced engine braking.. ugh!!. Lack of exhaust exit.... don't know why, but that's character lost imo. The headlights are the third.
I am about to make a deal any day now. My concern is that the next generation civic will only be worse in terms of transmission offering, only forced induction, more automation, QC, etc. So considering that, i guess these are trivial complaints? I'm trying to convince myself that. Unfortunately can't test drive because these 6MT 2.0 Sport HBs are rare unicorns.
Nice to see a veteran track junkie / club racer / gearhead do a deep dive like this. So helpful (despite me being even more undecided now, LOL)
I’m glad you appreciate how in depth I went here. With everything I said in this video I’m not convinced I would have changed my mind to buy it still. Every drive I still get excited for because it is still a fun car to drive. It’s just so watered down and SMOOTH compared to what I’m use to. It’s so smooth I agree character is lost. Though I still think it’s a gem and probably the only affordable car left that’s NA and manual with no direct injection. I recently purchased a pedal commander in hopes it would fix the weird throttle behavior, even though I was let down I learned a LOT about the stock throttle tuning. Check out the pedal commander review on my channel where I talk in depth about this. I believe getting Ktuner and getting a custom tune for the car will get its character back. Not necessarily chasing more HP, but just that responsiveness.
I don't have drinks in my car very often, but what I do have is front passengers who like to rest their arms on the armrest. My 9th, and 10th gen Si's both had enough space that you could shift while the passenger was resting their arm on the armrest with no problems. With this car, every single passenger I've had has been jabbed pretty hard by my elbow while downshifting after cruising for a while because they got comfortable and weren't expecting me to shove my elbow into their personal space. I know it's a manual and a lot of smaller cars have this problem too, but this car is bigger than both of the previous gen Civics I've owned, so I didn't think that would be an issue. Also, if you plug ANYTHING that isn't a phone cable into the USB/Power Adapter plug, your hand jams right into it every time you shift. I made the mistake of trying to charge a small rechargeable battery for a camera while driving and wound up yanking it out after slamming my hand into the charger 20 times in 5 minutes. I'd have no problem with all of this if it was a Type R and was focused more on performance than comfort and reliability, but for a more practical Civic with less than 200 HP, you'd think this would have been worked out. It seems like they only tested the ergonomics and driving comfortability of the automatic cars, and then just slapped manuals in some of them without driving them.
Everything you said is spot on. I guess in the end of the day we just need to be thankful we can still get a 6 speed manual car in this price range. Every part Honda redesigns for the manual cars takes away from profit so I understand that they would try to reuse as much as possible. It sucks for us who notice the flaws of things that don’t work on both though
Wipers are a "wet arm" design..my dealer service has a "menu price" on wiper blades. I agree with your observations and comments for the most part. Have a low mileage 9th generation car..am getting ready for a sedan with CVT. Would prefer the responsive 5-speed torque converter type auto wirh my current car. My owner experience issues have been minimal..dry rotted belt mouldings, noisy climste control fan, etc. I attempt to keep up meticulous maint. care. .no mechanical problems. Replaced OE tires with a Continental Pro-Contact set which further sharpened up handling and dropped road noise considerably. A very dependable car. Replaced brake pads in front and dealer was adamant about about rotor teplacement. My braking was smooth, quiet and pulsation free. Had them polish rotors with crocus cloth and inspect caliper operation. Six months later new pads are silent and smooth..I did careful brake-in procedure however. First time I wanted to retain old car when I get new one. Think I will become a "two Honda" owner with one driver. This says a lot. Appreciate your detailed feature. Thanks!
Great video. From the comments so far it doesn't appear you'll get any angry feedback on the things that bother you. In fact, it looks like most people agree with you!
I'm two weeks at into my ownership of a new Sport Touring hatch with 6MT. So far I love it, but I share some of your gripes.
Windshield wipers: So glad you showed that you can move the wiper arms up in order to pull the blades them off the windshield. I tried pulling the driver's side arm upward one morning last week to scrape frost off the windshield and the arm hit the hood. Thankfully it didn't scratch the paint, but I can see that happening if someone else tries to pick up the wipers. Just a bad design in my opinion, and like the spray nozzles, Honda overthinking something as they often do.
Front seat cupholders: No, they're not set deep enough. The aren't terrible, but they aren't great either. And not having a cover over them is kind of annoying. Since there isn't a ton of room in the center armrest, it would nice to have a cover over the cupholders for when you want to stash your phone, garage door opener, etc. out of sight when you're in a store for a few minutes. It would also dress up the interior a little more.
Cargo room: This one surprised me a little. I came from a larger car, and found immediately the cargo area wasn't as deep front--to-rear as the trunk in my last car, and that's disappointing. With the Integra being a little longer, it should be deeper than the Civic hatch, but the Acura has a tall lip you have to get things over. So there's so trade-off between these two models, but overall I love having a hatchback again.
Rev hang: This really bothered me at first, as I felt like it was limiting driving the car hard. But I've already adjusted to it, just shifting a little slower most of the time. Still, it stinks. I've owned several manual transmission cars, and this is the first I've had with rev hang.
Leaking hatch: Yours is the second video I've seen that mentioned a leaking hatch. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll keep an eye out for this, but hopefully mine will be fine.
Car off/sterero off: The last couple cars I owned, when you turned the car off the stereo would stay on, you could continue with a phone conversation via Bluetooth, and you could open and close the windows (and moonroof) until you opened a door. It's annoying the Civic doesn't have this capability.
Rear suspension: You're right - it's way too soft, especially for a car with 'Sport' in its name. I'm fine with the ride quality, but the car pitches back and forth a lot during acceleration and braking. There's also a lot of body roll. I've mostly gotten used to the pitching, but the body roll has to go. I'll be upgrading the rear sway bar and links soon to fix this. I thought about coilovers, but I'm not looking to stiffen or lower the car. A rear sway bar will solve my biggest complaint about the car.
One complaint from me I don't think you covered: HondaLink. Honda's app for your smartphone is pathetic. There is so little information provided on the app it's almost useless. And it is terrible at updating in real time. My car's info has not updated in four days, and shows a full tank and 724 miles on the odometer. In fact, I've got about half a tank and 900 miles on the car. Even clicking 'Refresh' on the app does absolutely nothing. I came from a Mercedes-Benz, whose app is terrific, though you do have to pay a subscription fee annually after the first year. Even my wife's Ford has a terrific app. It's disgraceful Honda's app is this bad.
One additional complaint on the ST trim, and that's the lack of lumbar support. Not a deal-breaker, but pretty disappointing in the highest trim for a car that can and will be used as a grand tourer.
Most of these complaint are really pretty minor. I don't know that the perfect car exists, and even with these annoyances the Civic hatchback is great. If I'd known these issues I'd probably still have bought this car. The pros certainly outweigh the cons!
Thanks for the comment! I didn’t mention hondalink because you can’t get it on the sport trim with this infotainment. Im okay with it though, if you see my other video about the things I love about this car, I mention the simple infotainment as a huge plus. Zero lag, instant startup, everything works, etc.
I agree- the infotainment is terrific. Plus, Apple CarPlay has hooked up right away wirelessly every time I’ve started the car.
@@timothycoyne5874look into Eibach lowering springs for your car if you want less body roll.
get a tune to remove reb hang
Good info on the sport, watched what you like vid as well..thx. Buying one for my daughter next month. Where did you get the spoiler?
Check out the spoiler install video on my channel. I have a link in the description for where I got it. Thanks for the comment !
That leaf that's stuck in the wiper really triggers my ocd i can't believe he didn't remove it bro really
I am looking to get my first civic, and I plan on getting the 2024 hatchback. I am not getting it in manual so I dont think a fair portion of these issues apply to me, but I still find this an informative video and it brings up great points to consider.
Your first civic should be a beater civic! 2003-2004 models are best!!
@@nhitc6832 my problem with that is everything you’ll find will have 100k+ miles. Atleast in my area. Not denying they are reliable as hell cars. But with the interest rate being so high on used cars. I’d rather just buy a new car to replace my g37. Plus I’ve driven the newer models because my buddy has a 2019 or something (not 11th gen but can’t imagine it be too different when I test drive)
@@nhitc6832 I was even looking at buying I think a 2017 it had around 20k miles, for about 22k with like 15% APR at the end of the day I’d be only spending 1-2k more with the 2024 model. So I said I’d rather spend more money than loose more money if that makes any sense. I’ve also already had my beater car which is my G37. I just want a good comfortable. Newer commuter
This made me happy, u got the same exact car and just got my lip … waiting on my RPF1s SBCs to come in and it’s game time to slam it
Thanks for this awesome video. Have you ever noticed rattle noise coming from the dashboard at low RPM ( 1500 to 1700 ) ?
Nope , but I have a rattle from under the hood when rpm’s drop from 5-4K when shifting, future video to be uploaded about that
Great video! I just picked up a sport touring hatch with the 6mt and really enjoy the car for my daily commute. I would prefer the NA 2.0 over the 1.5t for maintenance and reliability but it’s going to be interesting to see how the turbo holds up.
I can’t really fault the car at anything else and it is super usable which I enjoy. coming from small performance cars, hitting the highway and cruising is a nice change of pace. Keep up the great content!
Thank you for the comment! Keep us updated with how the 1.5T treats you!
The 2.0 is PAINFULLY slow. I owned a 22 sport manual, upgraded to a 23 sport touring manual
In the long run, I think the 2 liter would be better. But it's not enough power for this heavy new hatch. I had a 19 civic hatch lx cvt, and it was surprisingly quick.
Quality vid from my guy.. i always wonder why my guy doesnt have MORE subscribers ... SMH
on my 2021 accord, you can have the tach on permanently even as you scroll through and pick another page of info. the infotainment system might be the same so heres how to do it on the accord, see if it works for you. go to settings->vehicle->meter setup -> tachometer-> on
Thank you for your content !!!!
Thanks, I was considering getthing the 2022 version as my first car; still think I'll get one
Love my 2023. 2 things I don't like is the Seat Belt monitor you cannot turn off and the DATE is not displayed on the center infotainment console.
Great job!
My 22 also leaked on the trunk.. I had to go twice to the dealer because they could find it the first time.. The problem is caused by the rubber that goes right around the windshield and you should keep in mind they had to replace the whole trunk door and paint it because of this.. According to them it all comes assembled in one piece. Also my car now has some kind of yellow watermark very complicated to take off caused by the water they used to test it.. Also in case you dont know you can adjust the sensitive of the automatic headlights sensor.. And last thing i gotta disagree with you in the part of the suspension.. I think they did a great job, and the specs are on point, the grip on the curves is amazing
Great video, thank you!
The rear wiper, you have to open the small cover at the end of the wiper for it to stand up right when doing cleaning or wiper change.
Squeeze it from the sides and it should pop up. Underneath is the nut that secure the wiper to the motor.
Thank you! Not sure why Honda had to change it like that. My wife’s 2021 CRV looks identical but the wiper design allows it to come straight up without popping that cover off
I have this I hate the wipers and that whole system and also hating on the heat big time. It does not kick it takes too long. I also do wish the gas tank was bigger and the hatch part were it opens and slides is already starting to rust out. Otherwise I love the way it handles 🎉😅
One more comment - My Hatch EXL has the ability to customize the left digital tach cluster screen so I can see my trip, fuel, and remaining mileage while still seeing the rev arm sweep over the numbers. This may be a software difference between the sport and EXL. Also, one of my biggest complaints is with the apple carplay. The volume is absolutely terrible and requires max volume to hear phone call. The sound will also blast when the call or text message comes in for a split second and then drops down to very low sound. This issue is only with carplay at the bluetooth call volume is normal.
That water bottle became an extra gear stick. 😂
i was looking to buy this but not so sure.. What is honda thinking?
I am wondering if you have remote start. If you leave your wipers up in maintenance mode or pulled up slightly. You remote start the car with the wipers pulled up away from the windshield for snow weather would the wipers rotate down and hit the hood...? Or would you have to clean and put the wipers dow before remote start. I bought a 2023 hrv this past april for my wife and i have to say the biggest thing we hate is the wiper spray is worthless for cleaning the windshield. I was actually looking at buying this same civic in white but opted for cvt for the remote start next weekend. I had a 2015 6mt 2.4 civic si coupe and traded it for hrv for our growing family. Boy do i miss it, just not the hill assist. It started making a weird noise everytime i pulled out.
I believe they will stay in maintenance mode until you get in the car and flick the stalk. But yes the fluid integrated into the wiper is Awful. I resist using spray as much as I can because of it
Continue this kind of review. Not focusing on specs but more on the practical day-to-day use case.
I couldn't agree with you more on your assessment of the 11th Gen. I had a 2018 1.5T Hatchback and then a 2021 Hatchback 1.5T Sport. ( I would do anything for my 2021 with low miles back) So I'll admit I'm still watching your video while I'm writing this so if I mention something you have already covered I apologize. After 6 months of driving this car 2500 mi I have many things about this car I dont like.
First, as a repeat customer of the Civic Hatchback , I would expect the next generation of a car be AT LEAST as good as the previous version. Honda didn't do that in this case. They dumbed it down and took away several accessories from the previous version of the Sport. How about, where are the exhaust tips and the fog lights and the robust infotainment system? Why, when I flip my visor up does it come out of the clip? Come on HONDA, all you had to do was use the same one as the previous versions clip. I dont like the headlight switch function always on auto. You cant quickly flash your light at another driver. The 2.0 NA motor is gutless compared to the 1.5L T. and lets not talk about the 20 mpg terrible gas mileage ( which is worse then the 2021 Sport 1.5L T ). What next...oh. the ACC system sucks compared to the 2021. It's too aggressive at times and not aggressive enough at others. It waits too long to slow down and then jams on the brakes to slow down rather then sensing the car in front sooner and just decelerating slowly as you approach. Then, it waits too long to get started again after the car in front pulls away and then it hits the throttle hard to catch up and then hits the brakes hard again to stop when it catches up. Then there is the LAKS lane departure correction system. It also is too aggressive and I sometimes think that the car is going to change lanes for me. The 2021 Sport didn't have any of those issues They should have left it the way it was.
Now, here are a few more complaints, the glove box is way smaller, the center console storage is too deep if you want to find anything and has this stupid little tray that gets knocked loose and spills anything in it if you are not very careful. Where did the extra space in the lower front of the console go Honda just eliminated it. The new honeycomb air vent grill sucks. You cant use any phone holder/charger that clips to the air vent fins anymore and I think it males the air volume louder. No spoiler/wing (s) anymore? What? Are you kidding me?
Oh, here's one when I back up slowly and hit the brakes....I hear a clunk...like the calipers are shifting positions. The new windshields wiper sprayers suck. They don't distribute the water evenly like you said in your video. How about all that space behind the front map lights...a sunglass holder would have fit there just perfectly. Plenty of room.
The functionality of the gauge cluster has been reduced and what the hell is with the half mechanical half digital thing.
Here is where the 2023 does better then the 2021. It is easier to get out of the seat. It seems tp ride smoother (but that might be the Goodyear Eagles over the Continentals on the 2021. Rides smoother but handles worse.
I know I'm forgetting a few thing that either I don't like, where poorly designed or poorly made. But, I think you get my point.
I WOULD DO ANYTHING TO HAVE MY 2021 SPORT BACK. IT WAS THE MUCH BETTER CAR. SHAME ON YOU HONDA. MY NEXT CAR IS GONNA BE A TESLA.
You gotta do what you gotta do. I just bought a 24 Integra MT but will probably cancel my Cybertruck order.
All valid points... the front wiper, the always-on lights and the not-enough engine breaking are really unfortunate in my opinion...
I bought my civic hatch sport cause of your vids. I got the cvt so my wife can drive it if need be. So far i love it. Does not feel like a cvt and i dont need to worry about some of those issues. Only thing i hate is that i keep renching my neck getting in. I didnt realize how low this seat sits. So i need to be constantly careful. Also hate the defogging system. Not as good as many of my other cars. Those two issues are my only issues
only pain about the CVT is you need to change the filter , which i think most owners don't do.
This car sits lower than most cars in the segment, I previously had an 08 Scion XD and that one rode higher. After many years of driving the XD, now a days I tend to scrape my civic underneath when going into the highway from places off the sidewalk.
just got a 2024 hatchback sport today, love it! man what spoiler is that in the back the wing, looks really good. better than the oem spoiler.
It’s an OEM ducktail from the European market. I have a few detailed videos of it and the install on my channel. Check it out !
I agree with a lot of these, but some don’t really bother me as much. The whole center console/cup holders are definitely a pain. Having a large coffee with a straw in there makes it extremely annoying to shift. A couple of things you didn’t mention that bother me are the Speed Limit warnings and the fact that I can’t put my music on the dash like I could with my 10th gen (I know the higher trims have the option). The Speed Limit warning distracts me enough that I’m constantly looking down thinking I have the turn signals on or something so I’m looking away from the road. The lack of an option to display my music on the dash means I have to use the screen, which means changing away from my navigation app, or use my cell phone, which again, means looking away from the road. I’m a new owner but these are some of the annoyances I've found in the past week. I still love the car though, and thanks for the wiper tips!
Great points thank you for the comment! I agree with a lot of your points there too. However you can go into the settings and disable the speed limit warnings, or even disable the speed limit sign recognition all together. Best of luck with your new car!
Looking to get a 2.0 NA with cvt. How reliable is the cvt? I’ve only owned 2 civic manuals but I’m getting tired of driving a manual as a daily. Please share me your thoughts.
My pops has a 9thgen civic with a cvt as a daily. He has racked up almost 200k no issues. I assume the cvt has only gotten better since then