I purchased a 9+ 6 weeks ago from RevRides. I have to say your video is 100% accurate. Right down to the slime tire stem extension. Funny I also have the Crank Brothers multi - tool. And the first thing I purchased was a 1000 lumen light from Amazon which also sells the other upgrades. I also replaced the rotor bolts as well. I could have made the exact same video. Thing is it took me 3 weeks of research to come up with all this information I could have saved myself the time by watching this video. In addition, I purchased a portable electric air pump that is great for maintaining the tires which must be kept at 50 psi, or a pinch flat will develop but with the split rims it's an easy fix.
Thanks Scott!!! And great advice on the electric pump! I have only had one flat so far, and it was not easy to change out tubes. I will probably make a video on that too. Thank you for the kind words, it makes all the hard work worth it!
@@TrailSage when you change a flat on split rims make sure you use Vaseline on the tube before you put it together otherwise you will have a pinch flat 100% of the time
@@scottfarley6867 Yup! Already did that, such a useful tip. I will make sure to include that in my video if I make one. My new carbon bars just arrived today so I will be switching that out soon too. Have you thought about upgrading to hydraulic brakes? That is my next move.
@@TrailSage I am definitely thinking about that. It is next on my list. I was reading a post from someone who upgraded to hydraulic brakes and he loved them but there was a small obstacle in that he needed an adapter of some sort. He didn’t go into detail but I am going to search for the information on AliExpress shouldn’t be too difficult to do. Hardest thing would be deciding which brakes to use. I hear a lot of people use Zoom. Any bike shop should have them as well. Take care be safe Scott
Would sliming the tires prevent flats ? Thanks for any info. I’m deciding between one of these or a one wheel and with all the negatives I keep seeing on scooters I’m leaning one wheel.
I had that trouble too with jerkiness, until I went into P settings: To resolve the Jerky speed you need to go into the P settings P12 is the one you want to adjust I set it to 3, by default it was on 5 Acceleration strength. 1 softest, 5 hardest.
He’s a trail runner, a cyclist, a mountain biker… now he’s a scooter rider!!! That was such a super detailed and awesome review brother, I’m sure a lot of folks who’s interested in purchasing an electric scooter will find this video very useful. What’s the next mode of transportation are you gonna review?!? 👍🏼😬
Happy to see such a detailed review of this super underrated scooter. Mine’s at over 1,000 miles now with zero issues. One thing buyers should be aware of though is about the fenders. They are just trash in the rain and every time I ride in even a light rain, my pants are soaking wet to my waist. But otherwise I love my Vsett 9+. You get used to the jerkiness and just go a little softer on the throttle, and I personally love the folding handle bars, super useful when you have to leave your scooter at the barbers or some other place so it doesn’t take up too much space.
1000 miles with no issues is saying something! As for the fenders, I have not had many issues, but I also try not to ride in the rain. Regarding the bars, I actually ordered some solid bars and will be upgrading to them very soon. Thank you so much for the comment and feedback.
Love how you use this electric scooter!! Awesome detail Sage!! Your reviews are second to none!! Glad your shoulder is better! You just love tooling around on your scooter!! You go pretty fast!! Don’t take your eyes off the road! Fantastic review!! BLOOPERS regenerative!!! 😂
Thanks Kirsten, this one was tough... over 258 clips! I wanted to create a comprehensive unbiased review and I hope I accomplished that. As for the shoulder, it is feeling so good, thanks for asking. OMG Regenerative!!!! lol
Very cool Sage, I like it, I always learn many new things on your channel. A great video and very interesting. I was amazed at how fast the scooter rides. Great work as always mate. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work. Ride on and have a nice weekend🤙
A very nice review with useful info for a suburban commuter (=me) and minimal fluff. Thanks. And revrides’ Black Friday pricing is very tempting… I’m on a Segway G30LP and really want some climbing power and a suspension.
Thank you. I think this will be a good upgrade from the Segway. It has plenty of power and the ride is very comfortable once you get used to the throttle. Good luck and let me know if you have any questions.
You are so good at this Sage! Love the technical details and the products details of this! Very helpful for anyone looking to buy it! Your videos are too good! I know one of them will get picked up by the algorithm! Keep up the quality work!
You are always much too kind. I stopped trying to figure out the algorithm a while ago and now just create what I enjoy using. If YT picks it up great, if not, I am still happy with the library I am building. Thanks for all your love and support Daniella!
I was gonna say I live in Calgary and we’ve got some hilly terrain so that’s helpful to know! You road motorcycles? Nice!!! I couldn’t I’m a big baby lol The negatives!! Super helpful info! One thing I can’t stand is when I see review videos and no one talks about the draw backs 😅
Thanks Daniella. Yeah, I road a motorcycle exclusively for a couple years in college. As for the negatives, if you are gonna spend that much money for a scooter you should know everything right?! Thanks for watching!
Thanks Bob. I just upgraded my bars a couple days ago to solid carbon bars, and man, what a difference! I try and work on an upgrades video when I get a few more miles down. Thanks for watching!
Super informative and detailed review! Someone should send you more electric scooters to give an unbiased and professional reviews! Great video as always 👍
Haha, love the bloopers, Sage! 🤣 Awesome review! The scooter what a great change for transportation. It looks like fun and easy to get around town with. The first thing I was thinking about was balance and control at higher speeds. The fall wouldn't be pretty. Excellent ideas for upgrading, you should present them to the company!
Thanks Gill. My hope is Vsett watches it and makes some of those changes for the next version. Regarding falling down, I have already purchased a full faced helmet which I will be wearing from now on.
I spent a month ordering different tools to try to get the stripped bolts out. At first I ordered a Klien ball Allen wrench and the ball snapped and got stuck in the head. I ordered a quality allen wrench set, no good. I ordered 2 different tools to try to get stripped bolts out and I tried to drill them out. I ended up cutting the entire brake rotor off with a Dremel. HELL experience. Honesty you do not even need rear brakes. All it does it lock up the wheels and you burn your tires out quicker, as they skid. Front brakes only works decent. Set an alarm clock every 2 weeks to keep the air at 45-50 psi or you will get flats over and over. This is the worst part of this scooter. I also added a cup holder. I never used the blinkers so I disconnected them and changed the grips. Added a light. Adjusted the throttle position. I tried adding end mirrors, yet mirrors do not work that well, as they constantly move from the vibrations and they add too much width to the scooter. Get a decent reusable shopping bag and this is great for picking up groceries. I just walk it in the store and never get complaints, although a few stores complained. Mostly old ladies who stand in front of the front door say shit. I got kicked out once for ignoring them, as if they let huge mobility scooters in, what the heck is the different if I walk my scooter around a store. Liability is still the same. I got a portable manual air pump. No reason to get an electric one, as it is expensive Chinese crap and if it fails you are screwed. Hand pump fills it up fast. Make sure you get one that fits the valve as the valve adaptor they give you will break right away...It is junk. Buy tubes in advance. Do not use an impact driver. Take your time with the nuts. DO NOT put too much lock tight on them. Be careful to get right size bolts when replacing. Vasoline, Slime. Buy a metal valve remover, as the Slime cap one could break, as it did for me. I got 375 Miles the first rear tire before a flat. 40 Miles next flat, as I did not keep the PSI up. Hopefully I get more this time around. Hopefully the front tire stay good for a while. Kind of a pain ordering the 90 degree tubes as they do not sell them everywhere. The do make solid tires without tubes, but I heard they slow you down and they also need to get replaced when they ware out. Plus they are expensive. They definitely should make the tire changing experience better. They definitely need a redesign to prevent pinch flats. I would not stick with this brand next scooter I buy, mostly because of the tire design.
All good points Mickey. I'm sorry you had to go through that bolt issue. I gave up and took it to my bike shop and they got them out for me. Hopefully they watch this review and switch all of them to torques bolts.
Dude I know. There are many cheaper options but they won't have all the features, speed and power. I plan on riding this all year long and get my moneys worth, lol.
I do agree with your view of the Vsett9+ (minus the handlebars) the only issues I had out of the 2000miles I done was stem creaks and a couple of flats (with tire slime even) which was a pain and it does seem that everything about the scooter is real easy to assemble and fix however I have had a fair few knots and bolts shear on me 😡which I wish they would try and use steal instead of aluminum. I now ride my Vsett9+ as if it was a Vsett8 I have a pneumatic tire for the front and a solid for the back which keeps things urm... interesting to say the least 😱 but it works for me as of now what I'm trying to sus is the fender as I keep getting covered in mud probably through the design of the solid rubber tire that I have installed I also removed the kick stand as for some reason mine just refuses to stand at all the slightest breeze knocked mine over one time and cracked my controller so I thought it was pointless and way too close to the rear motor wire. I'm going to swap my front tire out for an 8.5x3 off road. This scooter is perhaps the best design of the start of luxury dual motors and suspension =) imo if you look after it 👍
Wow, the fact that's still running well after 2000 miles is a pretty good testament to the build quality. Although, I'm bummed to hear about the flats, bolts and kickstand issues. Thanks for the feedback Mark. Good luck with the off-road tire swap.
@@TrailSage Try not to stress about flats... I think I've just been unlucky with mine as they were both at parts that just never made sense even after when I inspected the tire both were inner tube tears. Honestly it sounds bad but you learn things along the way. These are first generation of Vsett scooters Im sure that Vsett will improve if you take Apollo for example and what they're updating the Phantom to VII and VIII shortly and their new City and Explore gives me faith that Vsett will bounce back with some nice improvements IF.... they back track and improve. Thank you I hope it see's many more thousands of miles
Just a heads up, the screw that they use to tie the external part of the handlebars to the internal part is super weak. If you find yourself needing to adjust it, you'll probably be damaging the screw and the internal part of the handlebars while doing so. This can result in a decent amount of play in the handlebars which feels exacerbated while traveling at top speed. I swear, the metal used for the internal handlebar is so soft you can peel it with your fingernails. I'd recommend having a spare handlebar ready to go whether that be a solid handlebar or a different kind of folding handlebar. By far, my least favorite thing about this scooter is the quality of metal in key places like the handlebar and the screws on the motor/wheel.
Thanks for the feedback and tip Samuel. Yeah, I discuss this issue in the "Upgrades" section of the video. I actually received my solid bars in the mail yesterday and will be replacing them ASAP.
I hear ya Dan. I ride bikes all the time but I needed a mode of transport that wouldn't get me sweaty before and after work, lol. Thanks for watching brotha!
Good video. A couple of errors in your list of complaints, however. The ‘jerky’ low speed take off is correctable by adjusting the P12 setting (User manual, page.19). It’s adjustable between 1-5, default setting 3. Set it to 1. The need for a steering damper is obviated to some extent by a central notch in the steering. I have never encountered steering wobble at top speed by using this notch (only in a straight line, obviously) where most steering wobble occurs.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm sorry I did not mention it in the video, but I have experimented with my P12 settings. I have it set to low and still feel the power should be delivered in a more linier way. And regarding the speed wobble I have resolved that issue by switching to wider carbon bars and lighter grips.
@@TrailSage It’s odd, I don’t have either of those issues on mine. I have the 19.2AH version which, I am assured are LG cells but I can’t think that would be the problem. Maybe we just have different releases.
@@Knapweed Yeah, who knows. I've gotten used to the throttle at this point but I hope they figure out a better approach in the future. Thanks again for the comment.
Hold up Sage, what’s a scooter got to do with trail running and mountain biking 😜. Whoa, it’s a pretty cool piece of kit … Great detailed review - can’t believe it has a key card
This is hands down the nicest looking scooter I've seen. But I dont think I could ever pay $1,200 for a scooter with tubed tires. Hopefully one day they make a tubeless version. Color scheme reminds me of my old AIM font back in the day
Had once a flat on a tubeless 10" front wheel. Even without a motor, it was a hassle to remove the tire from the rim. I also had recently my first flat (old tube) on the Vsett10+, split rims so tubes needed, but replacing the tube is so much easier than going straight for tubeless tires
Fantastic review. This looks like a super little commuter mode. I can't believe it reaches 55kph. Well done, Sage. 👌 "it's gettin' it's gettin' it's gettin' kinda hectic" 😂 😂
alot of newer scooters have sine wave controllers witch make the scooter take off alot smoother and less jerky something for someone whos new and may think all scooters behave this way this is a older vsett scooter as the scooter industry is one that upgrades rapidly !
I'm not gonna lie, changing the tube was a big pain in the rear end. However, I must say, I rarely get flats now that my suspension is setup correctly and my tire pressure is dialed. Hope that helps. Sage
I will add another negative about the throttle, it is not positioned in a safe location with the brake next to it up top, a thumb throttle would be more like a motor bike and make for safer use.
TrailSage, I see in some comments that you replaced the tightening screws with torques bolts. Do you have a video showing how they are? I did a google search and only the crap comes up. Thank you for taking the time to answer!
I do not have a video on changing the bolts but I was considering doing one on changing flats. Sorry to hear you are having so many issues with the tires.
Hello, I have a big problem. Not even 200 km done with the Vsett9+ scooter and already 3 tires on the back. I also put anti-pan Slim solution and no change. The solution only works if I leave the scooter in place. If I get on it and walk 10 meters, it deflates on the spot. I'm only 75 kg, so I'm not too heavy. What advice can you give me? Is it profitable with a full tire on the back? What disadvantages can occur? Thank you for the answers.
Yes, I have one piece of advice that may help with flats. Adjust the rear suspension to allow for more bounce. I had mine set way too stiff and it was causing me to flat too. Hope that helps.
Hi! I am in the process of doing a video on Falcon PEV who do r&d for all vsett range. Could I use a 5 sec clip of your video in my video to showcase? I will provide the credits to your channel and provide a linkback as well 😊
I would somewhat agree, however I think the bigger issue are the bolts. I stripped several of them trying to remove the rim to get to the tube. I replaced all of mine with torques instead. I was thinking about making a video on replacing the inner tube, do you think that would be helpful?
Hello, I recently bought this Vsett9+ scooter. I saw that at position P03: Voltage level: 24V, 36V, 48V, 52V, 60V. What do these voltages mean? If I set 24V or 60V, is there any change in the way the scooter is used? Does it change the degree of battery wear? Do they increase their performance at the maximum range to approach the range indicated by the manufacturer? And there is one more thing, at position 10, 13, 14, 19, it says Reserve. What can this be used for? Can someone enlighten me? Thank you in advance. Also, I don't know much information about this scooter. I don't know English very well, for help I also use google translate, so if someone who already has this scooter model and wants to help me with some improvements or suggestions regarding better safety when using the scooter, please let me know in written, attached to this message, thank you. I wish you safe roads!
Congrats on the scooter. I wish I could help answer your questions but they are well over my knowledge level. I would suggest contacting the store you bought the scooter from. Hopefully they will be able to help. Good luck.
You find your P settings in the official user manual (same for all Vsett models) I have the Vsett10+, and in the case of the 60V battery it should be set to 60. The controller is going into battery saving mode when hitting about 51V, where there are about 10-15% battery left. If set to 48V, it wont go into battery saving mode and allow the BMS a low voltage cutoff (so draining to 0%)
"nobody rides that close to the front" Me who does in fact always ride with my front foot touching the base of the handlebar: I fucking knew I was nobody.
Anahi, there is nothing wrong with that. At high speeds I just feel it is safer to have your weight further back, it helps with traction and speed wobbles. If you found a position that works for you, that is all that matters.
@@TrailSage that's funny cuz my scooter I have now only tops out at 20mph but I have notice I personally feel safer having my toes just passed the base to the side so I can turn my foot into the base like a grip, if that makes sense. I have started to place my back foot slightly onto the wheel guard, Im not suppose to have weight on it so I try to keep off it but the Vsett 11 is what I want to upgrade to after riding a friends 9 😭
@@TheSweetBean That makes sense. I'm glad you found a position that works for you Anahi. As for upgrading to the Vsett 11, that's awesome. I have not ridden one, but it looks very powerful. Good luck and have fun.
@@runnerofthespeedforce3273 I have about 100 kg, 105 with clothes, translate into lbs yourself, and i tried the Vsett9+ as well 10+. 10+ for me, ONLY. ) somewhat useable lights, 9+ front light sucks totally ) 9+ can be slightly "underpowered" in rare circumstances, or better lets say its "overloaded" when going fast for longer. 10+ has no effort in doing 40 km/h continous and on nearly every hill. ) price/performance, you get so much more (bigger battery, better suspension, more confort,...)
My apologies, but I'm not sure I understand your question. If you are asking what the top speed is, for single motor it is 25-27 mph (40-43 kmh) and in dual motor the top speed is 33-35 mph (53-56 kmh). Hope that helps.
Hello, The rear mudguard is useless and transforms your clothes into a pointillist painting of mud projection. The Display is unusable in full daylight. You can't see anything. There is also a display: "TFT color screen + throttle system kit" that you'd better install when you buy it to avoid getting stuck with the original screen. The headlight is cheap and doesn't light up anything. For this price, they could have made an effort. Comfort-wise, it's perfect on the road and the 9+ version with its two engines is worth it, turning it into a bomb when accelerating. Its biggest flaw is its waterproofing which is not efficient at all and makes it downright dangerous when used on wet roads (I had the case of the front engine starting up by itself, without having manipulated the throttle trigger, and in single engine mode). All the nut covers fall off one after the other. Regular users also complain about the handlebar folding system that unscrews itself. In short, for the price, a lot of improvement to do.
Thanks for the feedback Pierre. Not sure if you watched the whole video, but I covered a lot of those issues. Regarding the mud guard and waterproofing I try not to ride my scooter in the rain so I have not experienced any of those issue. Sorry you are so unhappy with the scooter... hope you find one that makes you smile. Stay safe.
You know I am not here for the Scooter Sage, but this Blooper Reel ... oh boy 🤣😂🤣 "he's compensating for his self esteem" ... btw still a nice scooter, but for me there would be a few no no's regarding this one (though my e-scooter experience is very limited, or to be more precise it's non existent) . Having a lever for throttle seems a bit odd, I'd expect that to be a throttle liek on a motorbike. And the foldable handle bar gives mich chills especially when that thing can go up to 35 mph. But still I can relate to the overall thought of using it to commute or go running. I've bought my first eBike this year because of this.
Thanks Christian. I know scooters aren't your thing so I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. I am kind of getting used to the lever but as soon as the video was done I switched out the handle bars to solid ones. Such a difference!
I purchased a 9+ 6 weeks ago from RevRides. I have to say your video is 100% accurate. Right down to the slime tire stem extension. Funny I also have the Crank Brothers multi - tool. And the first thing I purchased was a 1000 lumen light from Amazon which also sells the other upgrades. I also replaced the rotor bolts as well. I could have made the exact same video. Thing is it took me 3 weeks of research to come up with all this information I could have saved myself the time by watching this video. In addition, I purchased a portable electric air pump that is great for maintaining the tires which must be kept at 50 psi, or a pinch flat will develop but with the split rims it's an easy fix.
Thanks Scott!!! And great advice on the electric pump! I have only had one flat so far, and it was not easy to change out tubes. I will probably make a video on that too. Thank you for the kind words, it makes all the hard work worth it!
@@TrailSage when you change a flat on split rims make sure you use Vaseline on the tube before you put it together otherwise you will have a pinch flat 100% of the time
@@scottfarley6867 Yup! Already did that, such a useful tip. I will make sure to include that in my video if I make one.
My new carbon bars just arrived today so I will be switching that out soon too. Have you thought about upgrading to hydraulic brakes? That is my next move.
@@TrailSage I am definitely thinking about that. It is next on my list. I was reading a post from someone who upgraded to hydraulic brakes and he loved them but there was a small obstacle in that he needed an adapter of some sort. He didn’t go into detail but I am going to search for the information on AliExpress shouldn’t be too difficult to do. Hardest thing would be deciding which brakes to use. I hear a lot of people use Zoom. Any bike shop should have them as well. Take care be safe Scott
Would sliming the tires prevent flats ? Thanks for any info. I’m deciding between one of these or a one wheel and with all the negatives I keep seeing on scooters I’m leaning one wheel.
I had that trouble too with jerkiness, until I went into P settings:
To resolve the Jerky speed you need to go into the P settings
P12 is the one you want to adjust
I set it to 3, by default it was on 5
Acceleration strength. 1 softest, 5 hardest.
Yeah, I briefly covered that in my video but perhaps I should of went into more detail on how to do that. Thanks for the feedback.
Pretty cool! A guy I used to work with bought an electric scooter to commute to work and he loved it.
It’s a game changer for sure! Thanks for watching Jeremy!
And now HE IS DEAD
He’s a trail runner, a cyclist, a mountain biker… now he’s a scooter rider!!! That was such a super detailed and awesome review brother, I’m sure a lot of folks who’s interested in purchasing an electric scooter will find this video very useful. What’s the next mode of transportation are you gonna review?!? 👍🏼😬
That's the hope brotha. I really wanted to do a deep comprehensive review because it's a lot of money. Thanks for watching Marvin!!!
Happy to see such a detailed review of this super underrated scooter. Mine’s at over 1,000 miles now with zero issues. One thing buyers should be aware of though is about the fenders. They are just trash in the rain and every time I ride in even a light rain, my pants are soaking wet to my waist. But otherwise I love my Vsett 9+. You get used to the jerkiness and just go a little softer on the throttle, and I personally love the folding handle bars, super useful when you have to leave your scooter at the barbers or some other place so it doesn’t take up too much space.
1000 miles with no issues is saying something! As for the fenders, I have not had many issues, but I also try not to ride in the rain. Regarding the bars, I actually ordered some solid bars and will be upgrading to them very soon. Thank you so much for the comment and feedback.
Everyone seems to have issues with flats. How did you prevent this?
hehe, nice moves with the eScooter Sage! hehe. Great review, as always, mate! Great stuff for commuting! 👏
Yeah Mihai, it's been a blast to commute on. Thanks for watching.
Great job as always Sage...
Looks like a nice little jammy that. :D
It’s so much fun Phil. I might need to get a off-road version next ;) Thx for watching brotha!
Love how you use this electric scooter!! Awesome detail Sage!! Your reviews are second to none!! Glad your shoulder is better! You just love tooling around on your scooter!! You go pretty fast!! Don’t take your eyes off the road! Fantastic review!! BLOOPERS regenerative!!! 😂
Thanks Kirsten, this one was tough... over 258 clips! I wanted to create a comprehensive unbiased review and I hope I accomplished that. As for the shoulder, it is feeling so good, thanks for asking. OMG Regenerative!!!! lol
Very cool Sage, I like it, I always learn many new things on your channel. A great video and very interesting. I was amazed at how fast the scooter rides.
Great work as always mate. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work. Ride on and have a nice weekend🤙
So right Christoph, I couldn't believe how fast it was too. Thanks for watching.
Nice electric schooter for commuting ,... Thanks for sharing Mate,..
Yes it is. Thank you for watching.
A very nice review with useful info for a suburban commuter (=me) and minimal fluff. Thanks. And revrides’ Black Friday pricing is very tempting… I’m on a Segway G30LP and really want some climbing power and a suspension.
Thank you. I think this will be a good upgrade from the Segway. It has plenty of power and the ride is very comfortable once you get used to the throttle. Good luck and let me know if you have any questions.
I’m finally catching up on your video! Gosh it’s been hectic! I’m here for this !!
I know what you mean Daniella, there is not enough time in the day.
You are so good at this Sage! Love the technical details and the products details of this! Very helpful for anyone looking to buy it! Your videos are too good! I know one of them will get picked up by the algorithm! Keep up the quality work!
You are always much too kind. I stopped trying to figure out the algorithm a while ago and now just create what I enjoy using. If YT picks it up great, if not, I am still happy with the library I am building. Thanks for all your love and support Daniella!
Good review by pointing out what you don't like about it instead of being a shill for the scooter company.
Thanks. 🤙
Thank you. If someone is going to spend that much money on a scooter they should know everything about it, the good the bad and the ugly.
Incredible video man!
Thank you so much Tucker!
Great video, thanks for sharing
Thank you so much!
1400! Its 1100 right now with the better display and it was only 900 last year at Black Friday
That's fantastic news! It's a steal for that price. Thanks for the feedback.
I was gonna say I live in Calgary and we’ve got some hilly terrain so that’s helpful to know! You road motorcycles? Nice!!! I couldn’t I’m a big baby lol
The negatives!! Super helpful info! One thing I can’t stand is when I see review videos and no one talks about the draw backs 😅
Thanks Daniella. Yeah, I road a motorcycle exclusively for a couple years in college. As for the negatives, if you are gonna spend that much money for a scooter you should know everything right?! Thanks for watching!
Very helpful video this is mate, thanks
Right on Kiyle, thank you for the kind words. Glad I could help!
Now this looks like fun Sage! I can't imagine doing 35mph on that thing - you know I'd face-plant! LOL! Great stuff my friend!
Thx Paul. I actually just bought a full face helmet for that exact reason, lol. Thanks for watching brotha!
Very good video, I just got a Vsett 9+ yesterday, and found your dislikes to be spot-on. And yet, like you, I really like it so far
Thanks Bob. I just upgraded my bars a couple days ago to solid carbon bars, and man, what a difference! I try and work on an upgrades video when I get a few more miles down. Thanks for watching!
Super informative and detailed review! Someone should send you more electric scooters to give an unbiased and professional reviews! Great video as always 👍
Ha! Thanks for putting it out into the universe! Fingers crossed. If you want to see more content like this....
Haha, love the bloopers, Sage! 🤣 Awesome review! The scooter what a great change for transportation. It looks like fun and easy to get around town with. The first thing I was thinking about was balance and control at higher speeds. The fall wouldn't be pretty. Excellent ideas for upgrading, you should present them to the company!
Thanks Gill. My hope is Vsett watches it and makes some of those changes for the next version. Regarding falling down, I have already purchased a full faced helmet which I will be wearing from now on.
very good electric scooter.. thanks for sharing 👍
I agree, I love this scooter. Thanks for watching
I spent a month ordering different tools to try to get the stripped bolts out. At first I ordered a Klien ball Allen wrench and the ball snapped and got stuck in the head. I ordered a quality allen wrench set, no good. I ordered 2 different tools to try to get stripped bolts out and I tried to drill them out. I ended up cutting the entire brake rotor off with a Dremel. HELL experience. Honesty you do not even need rear brakes. All it does it lock up the wheels and you burn your tires out quicker, as they skid. Front brakes only works decent. Set an alarm clock every 2 weeks to keep the air at 45-50 psi or you will get flats over and over. This is the worst part of this scooter.
I also added a cup holder. I never used the blinkers so I disconnected them and changed the grips. Added a light. Adjusted the throttle position. I tried adding end mirrors, yet mirrors do not work that well, as they constantly move from the vibrations and they add too much width to the scooter. Get a decent reusable shopping bag and this is great for picking up groceries. I just walk it in the store and never get complaints, although a few stores complained. Mostly old ladies who stand in front of the front door say shit. I got kicked out once for ignoring them, as if they let huge mobility scooters in, what the heck is the different if I walk my scooter around a store. Liability is still the same.
I got a portable manual air pump. No reason to get an electric one, as it is expensive Chinese crap and if it fails you are screwed. Hand pump fills it up fast. Make sure you get one that fits the valve as the valve adaptor they give you will break right away...It is junk.
Buy tubes in advance. Do not use an impact driver. Take your time with the nuts. DO NOT put too much lock tight on them. Be careful to get right size bolts when replacing. Vasoline, Slime. Buy a metal valve remover, as the Slime cap one could break, as it did for me.
I got 375 Miles the first rear tire before a flat. 40 Miles next flat, as I did not keep the PSI up. Hopefully I get more this time around. Hopefully the front tire stay good for a while. Kind of a pain ordering the 90 degree tubes as they do not sell them everywhere.
The do make solid tires without tubes, but I heard they slow you down and they also need to get replaced when they ware out. Plus they are expensive.
They definitely should make the tire changing experience better. They definitely need a redesign to prevent pinch flats. I would not stick with this brand next scooter I buy, mostly because of the tire design.
All good points Mickey. I'm sorry you had to go through that bolt issue. I gave up and took it to my bike shop and they got them out for me. Hopefully they watch this review and switch all of them to torques bolts.
Man that thing is really cool and fun! But! Holy cow way more expensive than I would have imagined. Excellent review though, Sage!
Dude I know. There are many cheaper options but they won't have all the features, speed and power. I plan on riding this all year long and get my moneys worth, lol.
I do agree with your view of the Vsett9+ (minus the handlebars) the only issues I had out of the 2000miles I done was stem creaks and a couple of flats (with tire slime even) which was a pain and it does seem that everything about the scooter is real easy to assemble and fix however I have had a fair few knots and bolts shear on me 😡which I wish they would try and use steal instead of aluminum.
I now ride my Vsett9+ as if it was a Vsett8 I have a pneumatic tire for the front and a solid for the back which keeps things urm... interesting to say the least 😱 but it works for me as of now what I'm trying to sus is the fender as I keep getting covered in mud probably through the design of the solid rubber tire that I have installed I also removed the kick stand as for some reason mine just refuses to stand at all the slightest breeze knocked mine over one time and cracked my controller so I thought it was pointless and way too close to the rear motor wire. I'm going to swap my front tire out for an 8.5x3 off road. This scooter is perhaps the best design of the start of luxury dual motors and suspension =) imo if you look after it 👍
Wow, the fact that's still running well after 2000 miles is a pretty good testament to the build quality. Although, I'm bummed to hear about the flats, bolts and kickstand issues. Thanks for the feedback Mark. Good luck with the off-road tire swap.
@@TrailSage Try not to stress about flats... I think I've just been unlucky with mine as they were both at parts that just never made sense even after when I inspected the tire both were inner tube tears. Honestly it sounds bad but you learn things along the way. These are first generation of Vsett scooters Im sure that Vsett will improve if you take Apollo for example and what they're updating the Phantom to VII and VIII shortly and their new City and Explore gives me faith that Vsett will bounce back with some nice improvements IF.... they back track and improve. Thank you I hope it see's many more thousands of miles
@Damadoore Some people jump curbs & accelerating immidiately thus rip the innertube!!!
A few other rider errors can cause tube blowouts.🤣🫵
Not gonna lie Sage, that looks fun AF lol
It is brotha! It's made my commutes fun again. Thanks for watching Sam
Thanks 👍 for the amazing video and Review
Thank you Diego. Glad it was helpful.
Just a heads up, the screw that they use to tie the external part of the handlebars to the internal part is super weak. If you find yourself needing to adjust it, you'll probably be damaging the screw and the internal part of the handlebars while doing so. This can result in a decent amount of play in the handlebars which feels exacerbated while traveling at top speed. I swear, the metal used for the internal handlebar is so soft you can peel it with your fingernails. I'd recommend having a spare handlebar ready to go whether that be a solid handlebar or a different kind of folding handlebar. By far, my least favorite thing about this scooter is the quality of metal in key places like the handlebar and the screws on the motor/wheel.
Thanks for the feedback and tip Samuel. Yeah, I discuss this issue in the "Upgrades" section of the video. I actually received my solid bars in the mail yesterday and will be replacing them ASAP.
That's so cool Sage 🤩👌
Thx Ville!
Cool video. I don't even ride an electric bike. When i can ride my bike to work I just ride a regular urban bike. The scooter looks fun though.
I hear ya Dan. I ride bikes all the time but I needed a mode of transport that wouldn't get me sweaty before and after work, lol. Thanks for watching brotha!
Good video. A couple of errors in your list of complaints, however. The ‘jerky’ low speed take off is correctable by adjusting the P12 setting (User manual, page.19). It’s adjustable between 1-5, default setting 3. Set it to 1. The need for a steering damper is obviated to some extent by a central notch in the steering. I have never encountered steering wobble at top speed by using this notch (only in a straight line, obviously) where most steering wobble occurs.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm sorry I did not mention it in the video, but I have experimented with my P12 settings. I have it set to low and still feel the power should be delivered in a more linier way. And regarding the speed wobble I have resolved that issue by switching to wider carbon bars and lighter grips.
@@TrailSage It’s odd, I don’t have either of those issues on mine. I have the 19.2AH version which, I am assured are LG cells but I can’t think that would be the problem. Maybe we just have different releases.
@@Knapweed Yeah, who knows. I've gotten used to the throttle at this point but I hope they figure out a better approach in the future. Thanks again for the comment.
Excellent video
Thank you so much Jamal!
Hold up Sage, what’s a scooter got to do with trail running and mountain biking 😜.
Whoa, it’s a pretty cool piece of kit …
Great detailed review - can’t believe it has a key card
It's pretty baller James. I'm planning on riding it all year long. Also it's just a blast to commute on. Thanks for watching and commenting brotha
This is hands down the nicest looking scooter I've seen. But I dont think I could ever pay $1,200 for a scooter with tubed tires. Hopefully one day they make a tubeless version. Color scheme reminds me of my old AIM font back in the day
Not sure how they would do that, but that would be awesome. Thanks for the feedback Brandon.
Had once a flat on a tubeless 10" front wheel.
Even without a motor, it was a hassle to remove the tire from the rim.
I also had recently my first flat (old tube) on the Vsett10+, split rims so tubes needed, but replacing the tube is so much easier than going straight for tubeless tires
Fantastic review. This looks like a super little commuter mode. I can't believe it reaches 55kph. Well done, Sage. 👌
"it's gettin' it's gettin' it's gettin' kinda hectic" 😂 😂
Thanks Neil. I had a lot of fun commuting with this thing. As for the song ref, I'm glad you caught it. My boys were like "what song is that?" lol
@@TrailSage it's old but it's gold!
@@RunSensible I tell my wife that all the time ;)
I tried an electric scooter once, and I struggled with the spurts of power as well. It made it hard to keep my balance!
I'm thinking we need a scooter yoga class ;) Thanks for watching and commenting Michelle.
alot of newer scooters have sine wave controllers witch make the scooter take off alot smoother and less jerky something for someone whos new and may think all scooters behave this way this is a older vsett scooter as the scooter industry is one that upgrades rapidly !
Good to know. Thanks for the feedback. I hope they start updating all older style controllers to the one you mentioned soon.
😅 the B roll of the guy stealing the scooter 🤣🤣🤣
lol, that was my buddy Anthony. He was such a help that day.
Ah the tire system.. only thing that bugs me, if flat, especially around here in a rural area.
I'm not gonna lie, changing the tube was a big pain in the rear end. However, I must say, I rarely get flats now that my suspension is setup correctly and my tire pressure is dialed. Hope that helps. Sage
I will add another negative about the throttle, it is not positioned in a safe location with the brake next to it up top, a thumb throttle would be more like a motor bike and make for safer use.
I would agree. A thumb throttle would have been a better option. Thanks for commenting.
TrailSage, I see in some comments that you replaced the tightening screws with torques bolts. Do you have a video showing how they are? I did a google search and only the crap comes up. Thank you for taking the time to answer!
I do not have a video on changing the bolts but I was considering doing one on changing flats. Sorry to hear you are having so many issues with the tires.
@@TrailSage Thx for answer..yeah, very bad quality.
great review. Do you think this scooter would fit a regular sedan's trunk?
Thank you. Regarding your question, yes it should when folded completely down, but I would measure your trunk first to make sure.
@@TrailSage nice. I thanks for your reply and more power to your channel.
👍super
Thanks so much Mary!
Hello, I have a big problem. Not even 200 km done with the Vsett9+ scooter and already 3 tires on the back. I also put anti-pan Slim solution and no change. The solution only works if I leave the scooter in place. If I get on it and walk 10 meters, it deflates on the spot. I'm only 75 kg, so I'm not too heavy. What advice can you give me? Is it profitable with a full tire on the back? What disadvantages can occur? Thank you for the answers.
Yes, I have one piece of advice that may help with flats. Adjust the rear suspension to allow for more bounce. I had mine set way too stiff and it was causing me to flat too. Hope that helps.
@@TrailSage Thank you!
Hi! I am in the process of doing a video on Falcon PEV who do r&d for all vsett range. Could I use a 5 sec clip of your video in my video to showcase? I will provide the credits to your channel and provide a linkback as well 😊
Sure you can use a clip from my video. Thank you for asking first.
@@TrailSage thank you!
Don't buy unless you are a handyman and can fix your own flats. The replacement inner tubes are very very difficult to replace
I would somewhat agree, however I think the bigger issue are the bolts. I stripped several of them trying to remove the rim to get to the tube. I replaced all of mine with torques instead.
I was thinking about making a video on replacing the inner tube, do you think that would be helpful?
Hello, I recently bought this Vsett9+ scooter. I saw that at position P03: Voltage level: 24V, 36V, 48V, 52V, 60V. What do these voltages mean? If I set 24V or 60V, is there any change in the way the scooter is used? Does it change the degree of battery wear? Do they increase their performance at the maximum range to approach the range indicated by the manufacturer? And there is one more thing, at position 10, 13, 14, 19, it says Reserve. What can this be used for? Can someone enlighten me? Thank you in advance.
Also, I don't know much information about this scooter. I don't know English very well, for help I also use google translate, so if someone who already has this scooter model and wants to help me with some improvements or suggestions regarding better safety when using the scooter, please let me know in written, attached to this message, thank you. I wish you safe roads!
Congrats on the scooter. I wish I could help answer your questions but they are well over my knowledge level. I would suggest contacting the store you bought the scooter from. Hopefully they will be able to help. Good luck.
You find your P settings in the official user manual (same for all Vsett models)
I have the Vsett10+, and in the case of the 60V battery it should be set to 60.
The controller is going into battery saving mode when hitting about 51V, where there are about 10-15% battery left. If set to 48V, it wont go into battery saving mode and allow the BMS a low voltage cutoff (so draining to 0%)
Which scooter do you think is better Kobo mantis 10 lite or 9 +
Hey Erroll, I have not ridden the Mantis so I can't be sure. Sorry.
Sage hi will this folded fit my Camry’s trunk ?
Yes it should Noel, but I would measure your trunk just in case.
"nobody rides that close to the front"
Me who does in fact always ride with my front foot touching the base of the handlebar: I fucking knew I was nobody.
Anahi, there is nothing wrong with that. At high speeds I just feel it is safer to have your weight further back, it helps with traction and speed wobbles. If you found a position that works for you, that is all that matters.
@@TrailSage that's funny cuz my scooter I have now only tops out at 20mph but I have notice I personally feel safer having my toes just passed the base to the side so I can turn my foot into the base like a grip, if that makes sense. I have started to place my back foot slightly onto the wheel guard, Im not suppose to have weight on it so I try to keep off it but the Vsett 11 is what I want to upgrade to after riding a friends 9 😭
@@TheSweetBean That makes sense. I'm glad you found a position that works for you Anahi. As for upgrading to the Vsett 11, that's awesome. I have not ridden one, but it looks very powerful. Good luck and have fun.
@@TrailSage Thank you and same here, I'm honestly a little intimated by its power.
Do u still ride this and love it?
Yes and Yes. This scooter has been amazing. I plan on doing another video on upgrades I have done so stay tuned.
I will anxiously wait. Im debating buying it very soon. U think it's still good for heavier rider? I'm about 200lbs
@@TrailSage
@@runnerofthespeedforce3273 At 200lbs you will be fine.
@@runnerofthespeedforce3273 I have about 100 kg, 105 with clothes, translate into lbs yourself, and i tried the Vsett9+ as well 10+.
10+ for me, ONLY.
) somewhat useable lights, 9+ front light sucks totally
) 9+ can be slightly "underpowered" in rare circumstances, or better lets say its "overloaded" when going fast for longer. 10+ has no effort in doing 40 km/h continous and on nearly every hill.
) price/performance, you get so much more (bigger battery, better suspension, more confort,...)
What's a Scooder
Hi David, I'm not sure I understand. Did I spell Scooter incorrectly somewhere?
hello what is the difference between 48v 19.2 ah and 48v 15.6
Its the size of the battery. The 19.2 will last longer than the 15.6. Hope that helps.
Hello, what autonomy does it have with two engines at maximum speed?
My apologies, but I'm not sure I understand your question. If you are asking what the top speed is, for single motor it is 25-27 mph (40-43 kmh) and in dual motor the top speed is 33-35 mph (53-56 kmh). Hope that helps.
@@TrailSage How many kilometers does it go with both engines running?
@@ispastudor3997 Gotcha. With both motors the claimed distance is 29-48 km.
I use razor scooter
That's great Tracy, what ever works right?!
Hello,
The rear mudguard is useless and transforms your clothes into a pointillist painting of mud projection. The Display is unusable in full daylight. You can't see anything. There is also a display: "TFT color screen + throttle system kit" that you'd better install when you buy it to avoid getting stuck with the original screen. The headlight is cheap and doesn't light up anything. For this price, they could have made an effort. Comfort-wise, it's perfect on the road and the 9+ version with its two engines is worth it, turning it into a bomb when accelerating. Its biggest flaw is its waterproofing which is not efficient at all and makes it downright dangerous when used on wet roads (I had the case of the front engine starting up by itself, without having manipulated the throttle trigger, and in single engine mode). All the nut covers fall off one after the other. Regular users also complain about the handlebar folding system that unscrews itself. In short, for the price, a lot of improvement to do.
Thanks for the feedback Pierre. Not sure if you watched the whole video, but I covered a lot of those issues. Regarding the mud guard and waterproofing I try not to ride my scooter in the rain so I have not experienced any of those issue. Sorry you are so unhappy with the scooter... hope you find one that makes you smile. Stay safe.
Why do so many scooters use that ugly looking display that sticks out like that? It should be sleeker. Feels like it will smash if I drop my scooter
OMG I totally agree Hasan!!! That whole display/controller cockpit needs a total overhaul IMO. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Now you like electric scooters.............. a little late bro!
lol, this is like nothing you ever seen Jo. Sooo fast!
@@TrailSage the ones I got j and o weren't bad!
I think they went 15 or 20 hahah you let them rust :( tears
@@jat9554 You can blame Tosan for that, lol
Great review! Looked super fun! The price was not too bad..thx for sharing! The ending had me like..🫣😆😆😆😆👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼
Right on, thanks Uzi! I had a lot of fun making this video.
You know I am not here for the Scooter Sage, but this Blooper Reel ... oh boy 🤣😂🤣 "he's compensating for his self esteem" ... btw still a nice scooter, but for me there would be a few no no's regarding this one (though my e-scooter experience is very limited, or to be more precise it's non existent) . Having a lever for throttle seems a bit odd, I'd expect that to be a throttle liek on a motorbike. And the foldable handle bar gives mich chills especially when that thing can go up to 35 mph. But still I can relate to the overall thought of using it to commute or go running. I've bought my first eBike this year because of this.
Thanks Christian. I know scooters aren't your thing so I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. I am kind of getting used to the lever but as soon as the video was done I switched out the handle bars to solid ones. Such a difference!