As a bass player it also doesn't feel gross playing in drop C compared to drop F# which requires new strings modifying the nut and cutting saddles on the bridge to accommodate a 165/170 sized string to help with the low F# so it's not a noodle and unfortunately unless you run a overly distorted tone pedals like the digitech drop sounds awful.
Okay what I’m hearing is that the Drop F# turns the riff into the main riff of a song from a songwriting perspective. You can build an entire song around it. In the Drop C it sounds like a bridge riff or something you sneak in to surprise people but you wouldn’t build a whole song around it.
It might be a psychological thing. You got so used to hearing it F# than when you heard it in drop C (which are tritones of each other), it sounded like a bridge part.
That’s the problem such low tuning. It’s so big that u can only use it as a Main riff. With a tuning like drop c u can make it a bridge or a main riff just by your dynamics how u hard or soft u r playing it
I respectfully disagree. Drop C is much better, Drop F# sounds cool... For 5 minutes. After that, you realize how muddy it is. Drop C has that clarity, as well as personality to it, highlighting the riff's details. You'd most likely have a breakdown in Drop F#, and build the song more on a sensible level.
That false start at 3:17 because of the video editing actually goes hard af...just the first 3 beats and then the riff kicks in. Immediately thought it was on purpose and loved it!
@@nickbroomhallmusic when you flesh out the rest of the song that can be the mini-turn around out of the “chorus” back into the riff before the next section 🤘🏻
I like low tunings but god I love Drop C for any notey riffs, such a great sounding tuning. Turns any djent riff into a Sumerian records worship riff (a good thing)
Honestly I personally find it nice to layer real kicks with electronic kicks to give them some sub bass. I'm a big electronic fan as well as a metal fan, so when I hear a metal song with little to no sub-bass, even when it just has regular non-electronic instrumentation, I can't help but feel like it's just not as thick and crunchy as it could be. Bass and sub bass are important, never go cheap on those!
I'm surprised you didn't start with the F# riff and then just modulate up to C. Playing them side by side is such a cool jump! Something to concider if this turns into a full song
Came here to say this lol. And even if it’s going to be played live at some point, there’s no reason you couldn’t have a second guitar set up on a stand that you can walk over to play it, and throw both guitars into a 1/4” splitter so they use the same signal chain.
The Drop C version makes me think of old school Periphery. I love both versions too. You could have it both ways, with a couple of ideas: -First idea like others said would be to modulate up to C at some point with a slight riff variation for the second half of the song. -Second idea is to do either the bridge or interlude riff (when you figure out the next pieces) in C. Great video as usual and I love seeing your genuine enjoyment and enthusiasm while you're writing.
is crazy when in the creative process, everything sounds nice and you loved all the options haha, sometimes one riff bring to another, and I can't choose between'em
DUDE both were super sick! you're a man after my heart, everything you've got going in logic sounds so good at recording stage, i need that template :D Defo love the stuff man, looking forward the the next CHONK CHUG!
It would be interesting to see both of these versions made into a full song. I have a feeling that the different vibes just from the tunings would lead to different songs coming out of each riff.
this was nasty!! when you tried to use the synth bass for the first time at 13:40 , my mind went to Daft Punk immediately 😀 as always man, huge inspiration!! I will try these things as well!
I should probably go to jail for this but that F# riff sounded like something that Wes Borland from Limp Bizkit would do. Reminds me of Full Nelson and Nookie. (2 songs where he used a weird custom 4 string baritone guitar in F#, that low F# was actually a bass string!)
I just found your channel randomly and I am really impressed, you are living my dream life making good music in a nice house with a cute dog, much love ❤
I can’t play / write this kind of guitar parts but these videos are so inspiring and motivating, I have been binging them. Thanks! Even your website inspired me to make my own.
Awesome! This is a great place to learn! Any recording questions you have, feel free to drop a comment on a vid and the community or I will likely give you an answer!
YUP! Where did my socks go? Both sick but more for the drop C. I actually just wrote some dope lyrics that would go great with this sound called "Everybody uses Everybody" Song potential indeed!
i think the reason i like drop C is cause the bass frequencies are just in that realm where it hits harder through earbuds, i think i might love the drop F# if i could hear more sub
Sick riff man. I think the scale length and the pickups may also play a role in this comparison! The lengthier the scale the brighter the sound. Also the less EMG-ish and the more Seymour Duncan-ish the better. EMG fanboy here but, yeah, these kind of riffs sound insane with SDs
Drop F# just sounds gross in an amazing way, while the Drop C sound very crisp and progg, as you said. Sounds to me like a crazy retune mid song to throw in a key change. Maybe a breakdown in F#. Love it. Have two guitars, two tunings, and they'll switch which plays the lead when you drop the sound to F#.
Sounds fairly Doomish. I feel you can make a good full song with this. Add a good sounding intro to compliment the F sharp tuning version, then have something groovy in between the F tuning version and C tuning(something similar to what you'd find a DOOM song like Meathook) then get a good chorus in there, back to the F sharp, then a part that allows people to calm down, then maybe a breakdown, back to the original riff with drop F sharp and C then get a good ending riff. This sounds amazing and has a lot of potential.
I feel like both tunings are fire! I usually use F# myself lol. But doing drop c for the main riff and then having a drop pedal section where it jumps to F# towards the end of a track would be cool, since the drop c version feels natural! Kind of BOO vibes
I think the drop C is so reminiscent of Born of Osiris. Its like the riffs are 15 years apart 😂 would have loved hearing it somewhere in the middle. Maybe drop A?
Super random and unrelated, but are you sober? You seem like a sober homie, and I'm here for it. I'm just asking for a friend 😂 I feel like I come up with my favorite riffs when I'm tipsy but come back to my recordings sober and work with that moving forward. I'm not trying to shed a negative light on your content, I'm just trying to improve as a musician and as an overall human being. I love your work and aspire to improve myself. Thank you for these thick riff Thursdays. I have band practice these days too and its a nice precursor to practice/ just a nice thing to look forward to every week! Keep it up my friend!
You know what would have been really cool? Drop F# and Drop C# together! They should (mostly) harmonize (with a frw adjustments for key/feel). But then you have two awesome, thicc riffs working together. Add in the synth, and you got a solid two-riffs-in-one.
I keep my geetars almost exclusively in drop F# (and c# standard/ drop B for my 6 strings) something about the tuning just hits right for me. This was no exception
both tuning sound super sick. You should start with drop c riff, have sort of bridge and then play drop F# riff second. Cant wait to hear how that sound
Watching at 5am because I always end up getting creative late at night and this is what I do for hours. 😂 + guitar proing everything so I dont forget. These videos make me feel less like a solitary songwriting guitarist when my band members are busy aha. My brain want the last phrase of the motif to change like a phrased run going melodically upwards to transition into some kind of low tune.
Both sound sick, but the low notes sound like they drive the melody home in drop c, I feel like notes below A always have a tendency to feel “separated” from the notes in a higher register. It’s all aesthetic preference tho and it’s different for everyone. great video!
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Drop C sounds crissssssssssssssssssp
I think they both sound good if you combine them. Either having C playing with F sharp, or playing after, I think it sounds amazing.
Sure that's not just the Keisel clarity?
As a bass player it also doesn't feel gross playing in drop C compared to drop F# which requires new strings modifying the nut and cutting saddles on the bridge to accommodate a 165/170 sized string to help with the low F# so it's not a noodle and unfortunately unless you run a overly distorted tone pedals like the digitech drop sounds awful.
Okay what I’m hearing is that the Drop F# turns the riff into the main riff of a song from a songwriting perspective. You can build an entire song around it. In the Drop C it sounds like a bridge riff or something you sneak in to surprise people but you wouldn’t build a whole song around it.
That’s actually a really interesting way to think of it
It might be a psychological thing. You got so used to hearing it F# than when you heard it in drop C (which are tritones of each other), it sounded like a bridge part.
"Do Not Look Down" by Meshuggah does something similar except the main riff is higher and the verse is a lower variation
That’s the problem such low tuning. It’s so big that u can only use it as a Main riff. With a tuning like drop c u can make it a bridge or a main riff just by your dynamics how u hard or soft u r playing it
I respectfully disagree. Drop C is much better, Drop F# sounds cool... For 5 minutes. After that, you realize how muddy it is. Drop C has that clarity, as well as personality to it, highlighting the riff's details.
You'd most likely have a breakdown in Drop F#, and build the song more on a sensible level.
The full thing at the end reminds me of early The Contortionist. So sick dude.
Holy shit IGP, What are you doing here fella
IGP tuning into thick riff thursday is iconic
Yooo thanks bro!!
I don't hear this at all. I'm trying to figure out where in their entire early discography they sound like this lol.
What the fuck
"Gits and shiggles" Love it! Adding that to my Nuckin' Futs list. 😂😂😂
That false start at 3:17 because of the video editing actually goes hard af...just the first 3 beats and then the riff kicks in. Immediately thought it was on purpose and loved it!
Hahah hold up that's actually kinda sick
@@nickbroomhallmusic when you flesh out the rest of the song that can be the mini-turn around out of the “chorus” back into the riff before the next section 🤘🏻
Drop C sounds very I Built The Sky esque. Love it.
Its always a good day when its thick riff thursday.
That riff is naaaaaasty 🤘tough choice between drop F# and C, but man I love that low F# chunk 👺
I like low tunings but god I love Drop C for any notey riffs, such a great sounding tuning. Turns any djent riff into a Sumerian records worship riff (a good thing)
Honestly I personally find it nice to layer real kicks with electronic kicks to give them some sub bass. I'm a big electronic fan as well as a metal fan, so when I hear a metal song with little to no sub-bass, even when it just has regular non-electronic instrumentation, I can't help but feel like it's just not as thick and crunchy as it could be. Bass and sub bass are important, never go cheap on those!
I'm surprised you didn't start with the F# riff and then just modulate up to C. Playing them side by side is such a cool jump! Something to concider if this turns into a full song
Exactly what i was thinking
I was just thinking that too! The two keys are a tritone apart from each so yeah it would make a great modulation!
Came here to say this lol.
And even if it’s going to be played live at some point, there’s no reason you couldn’t have a second guitar set up on a stand that you can walk over to play it, and throw both guitars into a 1/4” splitter so they use the same signal chain.
My first thought as well.
@@thescottallen 🔥🔥🔥
Awesome demonstration of the comparison between the super low tunings and the more "normal" ones, love to see it as an absolute tuning nerd!
mad talent bro 🦂
I felt like F# was a no brainer once you compared them side by side. The BEEF IT HAD. Another inspiration of a video my man!
FR I was bobbing my head once put it all together with the drums and bass. SO sick!
F# does it for me. Way more presence in the A/B test. What a meaty riff 👌😎
The Drop C version makes me think of old school Periphery. I love both versions too. You could have it both ways, with a couple of ideas:
-First idea like others said would be to modulate up to C at some point with a slight riff variation for the second half of the song.
-Second idea is to do either the bridge or interlude riff (when you figure out the next pieces) in C.
Great video as usual and I love seeing your genuine enjoyment and enthusiasm while you're writing.
Play them one after the other, it would modulate up a tritone really dissonant
Nick. We need a full song out of this. Please! A vocal feature on this would be so cool!
this is actually insane, i love the intro, honestly reminds me of erra
It could sound sick to modulate between the two up or down the tritone
dude you are such a master at what you do, this was awesome to watch just that production process even.
This sounds super Erra inspired with the electronics, the low tuning, and how the riff begins repeating before the measure ends, super fun riff
is crazy when in the creative process, everything sounds nice and you loved all the options haha, sometimes one riff bring to another, and I can't choose between'em
DUDE
both were super sick! you're a man after my heart, everything you've got going in logic sounds so good at recording stage, i need that template :D
Defo love the stuff man, looking forward the the next CHONK CHUG!
Thanks so much! I have my Logic writing templates available at the link in the description!
Maaaaaaaan…. It’s awesome sounding! Cool mixing! My regards! Thank you!
Those thick riff thursday have became a routine for me, i always tune up to see what's Nick is up to !
This might be my favorite groove so far
Do both. It'd be a nice key change. Hard to pull off live though.
The way you navigate logic with ease blows my mind. I need to study some of those key strokes to quicken my workflow.
just recently found your stuff on instagram, absolutely love both the short- and the long-form content!!
Thanks man!
It would be interesting to see both of these versions made into a full song. I have a feeling that the different vibes just from the tunings would lead to different songs coming out of each riff.
Drums are sweet!!! I want a full version!!!!!
Dude your channel rules. Always love watching these!
Thanks dude!
Dope riff and stellar guitar. That guitar tone with the drums is nice also 🤘
this was nasty!!
when you tried to use the synth bass for the first time at 13:40 , my mind went to Daft Punk immediately 😀
as always man, huge inspiration!! I will try these things as well!
Thanks Buri!!
We love the longer videos!!
I should probably go to jail for this but that F# riff sounded like something that Wes Borland from Limp Bizkit would do.
Reminds me of Full Nelson and Nookie. (2 songs where he used a weird custom 4 string baritone guitar in F#, that low F# was actually a bass string!)
I just found your channel randomly and I am really impressed, you are living my dream life making good music in a nice house with a cute dog, much love ❤
I can’t play / write this kind of guitar parts but these videos are so inspiring and motivating, I have been binging them. Thanks! Even your website inspired me to make my own.
That's awesome man! I love that!
Huge GGD Promo riff vibes from the Drop C version. Love both though!
Love that Grumps shirt from the first clip of you playing it !
As a recording newb, this is inspiring to watch. Also daunting. Subscribed 🎉. I like both tunings!
Awesome! This is a great place to learn! Any recording questions you have, feel free to drop a comment on a vid and the community or I will likely give you an answer!
Once again made my Thursday so much better. Much love Nickelback broomeister
Man this straight out the Erra play book. So sick
wow! that was cool. very creative and catchy.
Thank you!
Those fx drums took this to a whole new level. So sick
That song is just MOTHERFKN INSANE bro
Making the stank face at your own riffs is a happiness that you just can’t describe
That intro though… the riff is hitting so hard. 👏🏼
That sounds freaking amazing ! At first I wasn’t sure where you were going with it but always love how cool it sounds end result
fire riff 🔥 sounds like early monuments
Bro F# is the way to go! The harmony was perfect!
That guitar is just beautiful
That electronic intro into the drum fill REALLY elevated this riff. Sick!
Thanks!
@@nickbroomhallmusic what kind of kit is that?
Ahhhh JT Cavey could sing so well over this. As soon as I heard the full riff in F# I thought “fuck this sounds like something ERRA would write”.
That’s exactly what I thought. Sound like something off self titled 😂
That riff is just sick dude!
i was so sold on how phat F# sounded but my face turned inside out once you did the drop C scratch hahahahaha
I love the ghost notes on the snare.
Maaaaaan, your videos are on my daily schedule and it's my best day of the week, keep up your work, it's just simply freakin' insane !
Thank so much!! 🙏🥹
YUP! Where did my socks go? Both sick but more for the drop C. I actually just wrote some dope lyrics that would go great with this sound called "Everybody uses Everybody" Song potential indeed!
i think the reason i like drop C is cause the bass frequencies are just in that realm where it hits harder through earbuds, i think i might love the drop F# if i could hear more sub
i nearly spat out my orange juice at nickleback broomthall, not ready so quickly into the video!
I look forward to these every week!
The Drop C one sounds like something you’d modulate into for part of the song that the Drop F# one is building in my ears
This was the best 18 minutes of my day. I'm glad I found this channel!
Thanks man!
Sick riff man. I think the scale length and the pickups may also play a role in this comparison! The lengthier the scale the brighter the sound. Also the less EMG-ish and the more Seymour Duncan-ish the better. EMG fanboy here but, yeah, these kind of riffs sound insane with SDs
Drop F# just sounds gross in an amazing way, while the Drop C sound very crisp and progg, as you said. Sounds to me like a crazy retune mid song to throw in a key change. Maybe a breakdown in F#. Love it.
Have two guitars, two tunings, and they'll switch which plays the lead when you drop the sound to F#.
Sounds fairly Doomish. I feel you can make a good full song with this. Add a good sounding intro to compliment the F sharp tuning version, then have something groovy in between the F tuning version and C tuning(something similar to what you'd find a DOOM song like Meathook) then get a good chorus in there, back to the F sharp, then a part that allows people to calm down, then maybe a breakdown, back to the original riff with drop F sharp and C then get a good ending riff. This sounds amazing and has a lot of potential.
It would be cool to hear in E standard. That's the ultimate test of how heavy a riff is.
Sounds so much like an After The Burial song that starts with the chorus.
I feel like both tunings are fire! I usually use F# myself lol. But doing drop c for the main riff and then having a drop pedal section where it jumps to F# towards the end of a track would be cool, since the drop c version feels natural! Kind of BOO vibes
Or same thing, F# as the main riff with one section in Drop C. I just feel like dropping down gives more of a stank face
Drop f# is nastyyy 🔥🔥🔥
holy shit man, that slapped so hard!
very erra-esque intro i fw it
Once you added the production and synths all I could hear was Sevendust and I was waiting for Lajon's voice to take over haha.
This drop C and the synth so epic 👽
I just want your full drum mix/setup. Sounds so good. Willing to pay for a full tutorial.
Thanks for inspiring me to jump into Ableton, love u
Super love the C!
Loved watching this process! Thank you
This might be my favourite one in a while man😑👌 the production hits different
I think the drop C is so reminiscent of Born of Osiris. Its like the riffs are 15 years apart 😂 would have loved hearing it somewhere in the middle. Maybe drop A?
Sounds very Like Moths To Flames, I love it
Super random and unrelated, but are you sober? You seem like a sober homie, and I'm here for it. I'm just asking for a friend 😂 I feel like I come up with my favorite riffs when I'm tipsy but come back to my recordings sober and work with that moving forward. I'm not trying to shed a negative light on your content, I'm just trying to improve as a musician and as an overall human being. I love your work and aspire to improve myself. Thank you for these thick riff Thursdays. I have band practice these days too and its a nice precursor to practice/ just a nice thing to look forward to every week! Keep it up my friend!
You know what would have been really cool? Drop F# and Drop C# together! They should (mostly) harmonize (with a frw adjustments for key/feel). But then you have two awesome, thicc riffs working together. Add in the synth, and you got a solid two-riffs-in-one.
drop F slays dude. Absolutely crushing. Brilliant riff again! How do you do it!!
Every riff deserves its own consideration in multiple tunings
Yeah F# for sure…that shit absolutely slapped
I keep my geetars almost exclusively in drop F# (and c# standard/ drop B for my 6 strings) something about the tuning just hits right for me. This was no exception
Drop F# reminds me of Chelsea Grin a little bit, and Drop C is just straight Born Of Osiris
I really like the good ol F# standard for 8 strings. It’s my default and it plays amazingly
The bass part really cuts through and gives the whole thing more bite in Drop C. Kinda gives it funky Sikth vibes
both tuning sound super sick. You should start with drop c riff, have sort of bridge and then play drop F# riff second. Cant wait to hear how that sound
Wow this riff is dope AF.
Thank you!
Watching at 5am because I always end up getting creative late at night and this is what I do for hours. 😂 + guitar proing everything so I dont forget.
These videos make me feel less like a solitary songwriting guitarist when my band members are busy aha.
My brain want the last phrase of the motif to change like a phrased run going melodically upwards to transition into some kind of low tune.
ah yes, my favorite day of the week
Both sound sick, but the low notes sound like they drive the melody home in drop c, I feel like notes below A always have a tendency to feel “separated” from the notes in a higher register. It’s all aesthetic preference tho and it’s different for everyone. great video!
new to your channel, really enjoying how you show your process. so cool to compare it to what i do myself!
Thanks! Happy to hear you're enjoying🤘
The Drop C one was instant BOO vibes lol
Dude, I honestly don't know how you manage to come up with some many and so good ideas so fast