$1370 cx racing kit $ 950 Miller tuning $ 450 fx stage 4 clutch $ 200 AEM wideband $ 300 misc $3500 Can run safely 8 psi on a gt3582r Which should put an m50b25 around 350whp. Cutring HG+cop spacer and studs will be another $600. Do the work yourself and you can easily have 500whp for under $4200.. run it conservatively and you shouldn't be braking anything. Bushings, subframe, and mounts. (Engine and tranny) good video, I hope whoever watches gets a good idea on what they need to gather. ^^^^ btw this all just a starter kit. The CX kit is great. No cutting or welding, all bolt on and easy to put together.
But can you run the CX manifold/turbo without modifying your hood? I was looking at a Spa bottom mount since I didn't want to have to clearance my hood.
Very informative and very correct, glad someone finally tells it like it is, for some reason a lot of people expect making 600hp is as easy in real life as it was for them in need for speed haha, but one thing that will hopefully help encourage people to push through the scary high cost and everything, is you valued most stuff at complete maximum prices, I can't tell you how many times I've found a complete swap (multiple different cars from bmw to Nissan to Chevy) and when picking it up asking about another block or pile of parts in a corner and the seller throw in for free or little extra on top, that being said you can sell what isn't needed, make some money back, when I was swapping my 1j into my E36 I went to buy the 1j off Craigslist, showed up at the sellers house without seeing anything besides 2 pics of the engine and him listing it litterally as "1jzgte for your next party car" had no details, nothing, when I got there I lucked out, he had gotten it off a wrecked 1j swapped e36 sedan, gave me a swap harness, trans bell housing adapter, headers, flashed ecu preTuned for the swap, even a spare turbo for 300$ more, after I got home I cancelled probably 3 to 4 grand of conversion orders and also went and canceled probably 2 grand in parts orders, and had the swap in and running reliably less then a month later, I spent maybe 4000$ total for the build up to that point, that's for the car, the 1j, all the swap parts. Sold the m50, sold my black m3 interior, and was back down to around 1200$ spent on the car haha, later down the line went to buy coilovers, ended up leaving with some turbo Mac wheels and 2 brembo drilled and slotted rotors, only paid 200 for the coilovers (they were no name eBay junk but great to slide with) and got all the extra shit for 600$ I've gotten halfway through building a Honda, simple h22 swap, same route I always go, an while going to buy parts of someone ended up trading for a caged and fully built rolling chassis 240 coupe, needed complete drivetrain and paint, but had cage, all suspension arms and components replaced, many upgraded, and even had upgraded fuel and brake lines, all I had into the Civic h22 build was bride seat, bolt in cage, harness, 200$ junkyard h22, had eBay headers and eBay solid mounts, wasn't wired or anything yet. People need to stop fearing the cost.
@@horacegray2417 Top mount can be good, but that manifold won't work, it's too high for the turbo to fit underneath the hood. But it won't work anyway, because the euro engines are different.
Thank you for taking the time to share all of this information and for all of the work you put into breaking it all down and explaining. I appreciate it! You really put this in perspective and exposed the realistic cost for something like this. I knew there was more involved than just installing the turbo kit, but now I know how MUCH MORE! I didn't want to start something that i couldn't finish.
Thanks, like to see what others have done. I started with just getting my 328is dried up and running good. 6x over budget so far, but going to be a great car for the road track. Went with the high end stand alone ECU along with full suspension, stroker build low end. VAC did a great job on the head. Let you know more when get it all together. Just starting on turbo now.
title threw me off lol in 06 to make a 1000whp m52 we ran the tec3 standalone ecu and flew a tuner in from canada . i thought you were running the same ecu by your title
Wasssup, thanks for making these videos it gives me a good idea of what I will do when I decide to turbo my e36, it was hard to find people going into details, helpful videos!!
my total build with the full cxracing turbo kit cost me around 5300$ custom tune included and for fueling i went with detshwerks injector and fuel pump and ive done arp headstud and a heandgasket
I think you could do an ls swap within the same budget range I proposed. I've never done one myself, but that's on my bucket list 😎. A 2jz swap may be too expensive depending on how prices fluctuate on the imported engines
This truly is a great and detailed video. But after seeing the price of the build I think I'm sticking to n/a even tho turbos are AWESOME [blow of valve intensifies]
if you guys are going to consistently drive your car hard after going FI don't overlook cooling system upgrades (aluminum radiator and expansion tank ect..) braking, and suspension upgrades (control arms, bushings, motor and trans mounts, guibo disc ect..)
I’m running the Miller war chip on my turbo s50 and can’t seem to get ahold of millers support at all, I’m wondering if you’d be willing to share your tune with me so I can get my car to the dyno. We have pretty similar build other than engine displacement
It’s not as straightforward as M50 in an E30 or M54 in an E36. To get it running on the OEM ECU, you need to take a lot of electronics under the dash and fit all that in the receiving car, way more than usual swaps.
Subscribed! Awesome videos man. I'm planning to do the same project and you my friend, you are doing so inforrd and i get an answear for my every question. Keep it up!
Aren't the TU motors an ally block? Obv you haven't had any problems with the studs ripping out of the aluminum block, did you timesert new threads in? I've heard this can be a problem on the forums.
It was an m50, s50s go for 1500-2500 depending on mileage. But I basically used a site like car-part.com that cross-references junkyards to find pricing on various car parts and assemblies
My dream is build a 2jz swap single turbo E36 M3 for drift/drag but cars and parts are so expensive here 45.000 for E36 M3 And also total price of the basic parts are around 70k (whitout shipping and Taxes)
+E36 M3 holy crap that's pricey! Where are u located? You'd be better off building a turbo 3 series than an m3, and depending on spare junk/parts cars you could salvage a lot of parts as needed for a budget build 😎
Hi Pawinning Did you do a vid on Rear Diff for the E36? Very few comes with limited.Do you know any after market wich will work for cheap? I don't want welding.
Ok thank you. For many is not easy to geth a M3 diff. ALso we see it is very exspensive. I was thinking maybe there is a easy way to make a caqr Limit slip for low cost. www.ebay.com/itm/LSD-Limited-Slip-Differential-Conversion-Kit-Euro-Racing-For-BMW-E30-E36-E46-M3-/291900383554 www.ebay.com/itm/Bmw-E46-E39-PROGRESSIVE-Limited-slip-differential-LSD-Sperre-conversion-set-188/263320669067?hash=item3d4f228b8b:g:yJQAAOSw4jFa8DOy any one use this items?
Hey Pawinn, I'm working on pricing out an m50 turbo build to swap into my 328. Did you do anything with forged internals, or just the upgraded head gasket to run 15lbs? Not necessarily trying to break the bank, but I want my build to be solid and land somewhere in the 400hp range.
Well idk how much mileage my engine is , on board computer it shows 330.000 km but that 330.000 km is in 2 engines , the first engine was m20b20 i think and now after swap it is m50b20 i guess it have around 200.000-220.000 km , sry for my bad english , could we speak in private i want some advices from you , sorry for bad english again
So far i got those parts : - T3 / T4 Turbocharger (internal wastegate) - Godspeed Type-M intercooler (20.5x6x2.75) - Aluminum pipe kit + silicone hose + necklaces - Stainless steel gallery - Blow OFF Valve BOV - Oil hose kit - Gasoline pressure regulator, Boost controller - Accessories, gaskets, hoses, reducers, etc. -Full air cold intake kit and ill buy crankshaft from 2.5i , 2.8 or 3.0 With 0.5 bar do you think that i can boost my hp from 150 to 250 hp?
I have a stock bmw e36 m43 1.6cc.. I want to increase torque and acceleration little more..By increasing some horsepower,how much will it cost me,because I do not want to spend much money? And what is the best things to upgrade,without damaging the engine? Thanks
If you’re on a budget, the things to focus on are weight reduction. Lighter wheels, radiation viscous fan delete (with cooling upgrades or replace the fan with an electric one), an intake and tune
Other than that there isn’t anything that would give you the best bang for buck with your 4 cylinder motor. A lighter flywheel will help with acceleration, but that’s a more invasive project if you don’t wanna dig deep
Thanks for your reply :) Ok also what about cold air intake, air filter ,tune chip , whole exhaust.. So maybe around 15hp more? Does it worth it? Will i have more torque and power?Will my engine be safe? Thanks!!
hey man, I would really appreciate a reply, I have bought a very well done S52 E30. I've done a bunch of work on m50s and other cars. Do you have any idea how much turboing an e30 s52 would cost given everything is put together well already? Obvously the motor has to come out again for the build but Im just really looking at cost with me doing all the work. Looking at 450hp as the goal.
I was checking you channel and you got a bunch of useful videos on the E36. How reliable is the E36 compared to a Toyota or honda? Many people call the BMW endless money pits.
Howdy, do you mind sharing some of your parts list with us? Also does the $5k estimate include suspension and subframe reinforcement, etc? Lastly nice e36 BTW.
Pawinning thanks for that parts list, good write up. Something tells me it was always in the description and I didn’t even notice... my apologies for that... If you don’t mind me asking, what are your thoughts on RK Tunes versus your Miller setup?
similar, but the 2jz has more aftermarket support for more power. that's why its a popular platform over the m50/s50 engines, because with the bmw engines anything more that 400-500 needs forged internals for a reliable setup.
And why do you need to machine the head if you want to use a "performance headgasket". You resurface the head when it's warped because you have a blown headgasket. If you don't have a blown headgasket then don't resurface the head
The cometic mls headgasket I installed requires the cylinder head to be resurfaced to a specified roughness average to ensure an optimal seal. If you're replacing the hg with a stock hg, you can get away with just cleaning the surfaces of the old gasket and slapping a fresh gasket on. Personally, I would just get the head resurfaced since I would plan on getting other head work done (valve seal replacement, pressure test, etc)
@@PawinningI've never heard of heads being milled to "different roughnesses" so I'm totally not buying that. Sounds like a ploy to get you to mill the head so they have less returns by those that thought their head was straight when it wasnt
@@timm5970 I wouldn't be surprised if it was a ploy, cometic MLS headgaskets can have an unreliable seal long term from from researching a few boosted build threads on bimmerforums, etc. I'm not an expert to argue why RA matters on mating surfaces, but since it was my first build I didn't want to cut corners in areas where I was inexperienced (which is why feedback here is great to learn new/alternative methods). Regardless, I plan to switch over to a cut-ring gasket with future builds to avoid the more strict surface prep requirements for an MLS headgasket.
standalone ecu options are not so pricey check my car runs 450 BHP and i paid about 250 british for a Mega squirt ecu from DIYAUTOTUNE. not affiliated to the company or anything just a humble old school tuner with a turbo E30 best buy i made for my car.
Hey man thanks for the info! Yes, I've considered going with a standalone ecu (actually looked at a PNP megasquirt kit!). I'll definitely check out your E36. Do you have an instagram?
@@Pawinning no insta here. Best t I've a few vids on you tube of my build and a short video with a few gear changes at low rpm. Can't rate mega squirt highly enough tho for what it costs it's features are excellent. Don't get me wrong there is better out there for tuning and sure a 16x16 spark map could be bigger but u can always do table switching to double Ur spark table resolution above a set boost pressure. So yeah happy with the coat and functionality of my ECU for sure good luck with Ur build and don't forget cooling ;) all the best
No worries! Thank you for your feedback and advice. Yes, it'll be a challenge figuring out which way i'd want to control boost levels. I'm sure I'll have something planned for the winter. Thank you for your support! Cheers.
@@Pawinning welcome boost controller for megasquirt can be done but it's a proper mess around to do I scarpped that and went for a greddy controller works really well and has a tidy looking display on it.
I'm on that 18 year old part time broke boy budget. I read if you do head gasket and head studs you can push up 20 psi and make 350+ whp. Anyone know how much you can make on stock motor 5-8 psi? And if you should?
I’m make 350whp with 14 psi. 8 psi will give you 275-300, but rule of thumb is you wanna build for more power than you want. A gasket and arp studs are a must imo. It’ll give you fewer headaches down the line. I understand the budget you have, I was in a similar position in high school when I first picked up my e36. I encourage patience with saving up money and really looking for the best deal out there for secondhand parts. With all that, it gives you time to sort out little maintenance items here and there to really prepare the car for an aspiration conversion.
I agree on waiting for good second hand deals - if you don’t have a specific timeline, you can wait and search for the best deals, instead of paying through the nose on parts you need urgently. And unopened engine (M50) should hold 8-10psi, depending on its general shape. Just put the kit together, get it working (so you’ll have some fun out of your hard work and money) and don’t overdo it with boost. Once you can afford it, take apart the engine and put in the parts needed for your power goals +~25% - that way you can just turn it up if you feel you need more at some point 😃
@@Pawinning lol now 6 months later re watching this, I have about a 4k budget and will probably end up doing a similar build. I have a 323is, should I swap to an m50 or is an m52 gonna hold power the same and as reliably? ( looking to make around 320)
zaviier _ hmmm I would stick with an m50 if you have an obd1 ecu, m52 if your obd2. An m50 would be easier to work with imo and cheaper to source. M52s can provide more torque, but are a little bit more expensive and people perform m50 manifold swaps on them with boosted builds anyways
Pawinning then again, M50s are older and are sometimes showing their age by now. The M52B28 has 0.3L more displacement and an aluminium block, which makes it lighter. Lighter front is good, since you’ll be adding weight to the front and therefore changing the balance of the car. Not to mention the six-cylinder E36s are slightly nose-heavy from the factory
I know this video is kinda old and might not be active, but I have a dilemma. I COULD get this e36 sedan (I kinda want a sedan over a coupe just because it's unique and more sleeper) but want to aim for the 300-350 horsepower range. I don't really want or need anything much more than that. A friend of mine has a fully machined s52 block and brand new pistons, but the pistons are low compression for high boost. Could I get away with just building a N/A s52 with, let's say, tune and bolt-ons that would make something around 350hp? I know that, with the s52, the ecu is harder to tune, and as much as a turbo e36 would be insane, I'm just not sure if it's worth it to me. I need some opinions; could I build a 350hp N/A s52 for cheaper?
Yeah you’re better off boosting if you wanna reach 350hp. Maxing our bolt on mods can be just as expensive imo. The euro m3 doesn’t even get more than 330hp, so I’d say boosting is your best option. Couple hundred bucks into the motor with a better gasket and studs, then put in 12-14psi to reach that goal
If I had all the parts, all the tools, and put all the effort into one period of time grinding every day, I’d say it took me about a month or two. However with my part time jobs, school, and other commitments this turbo build took 2 years
Pawinning omg!!! That’s crazy! But to be honest that is one of the sickest builds I have seen on TH-cam cuz your build wasn’t the prettiest but it sounds and looks beautiful thanks for sharing telling me about the car👌🏾
Boa noite amigo, curto muito seus videos preciso do link do eBay que tenha esse adaptador do filtro de óleo ou algum site que envie pro Brasil continue fazendo videos com esse conteúdo vc ajuda muito.....muito obrigado aguardo sua ajuda!
ola, desculpe com qualquer tradução errada do inglês. o adaptador de filtro de óleo que eu tenho não está mais disponível, mas confira este aqui. ele deve funcionar da mesma forma para alimentar o óleo no radiador de óleo. Eu não tenho certeza se eles enviam para o Brasil, mas eu tenho certeza que você pode contatá-los diretamente para ter certeza. rallyroad.net/products/oilcoolercap obrigado por assistir meus vídeos! espero que eles ajudem você com seus projetos 🙏
Pawinning I did some research. It seems the US engine is totally different to the EU engine we have here. Just for information: Different Vanos, different Intake, different RPM, less HP in the US.. Very interesting. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M50
foshizzlfizzl thanks for researching, yes your right. The euro spec m3 engines are like gold. It sucks the US didn’t get higher hp E36s 😢. I was mainly surprised by the price difference, but considering the component differences that makes sense!
Yeah I think they worth it. But therefore everyone in EU who wants to build a m50b28 out of a m50b25, is looking for your US M3 Crankshaft :) so you got something that we want too :) equal pain in this BMW Owner World :P
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$1370 cx racing kit
$ 950 Miller tuning
$ 450 fx stage 4 clutch
$ 200 AEM wideband
$ 300 misc
$3500
Can run safely 8 psi on a gt3582r
Which should put an m50b25 around 350whp. Cutring HG+cop spacer and studs will be another $600. Do the work yourself and you can easily have 500whp for under $4200..
run it conservatively and you shouldn't be braking anything. Bushings, subframe, and mounts. (Engine and tranny) good video, I hope whoever watches gets a good idea on what they need to gather. ^^^^ btw this all just a starter kit. The CX kit is great. No cutting or welding, all bolt on and easy to put together.
You're forgetting bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump and lightweight flywheel
Miller tuning comes with injectors and MAF+tune. Oh and the stage 4 comes with a 10.5 or 13lb flywheel. So no I didn't haha
Thanks for this tidbit Sam. Currently building one of my own so every bit of info helps!!!
But can you run the CX manifold/turbo without modifying your hood? I was looking at a Spa bottom mount since I didn't want to have to clearance my hood.
Don't you also need a completely New ECU
Very informative and very correct, glad someone finally tells it like it is, for some reason a lot of people expect making 600hp is as easy in real life as it was for them in need for speed haha, but one thing that will hopefully help encourage people to push through the scary high cost and everything, is you valued most stuff at complete maximum prices, I can't tell you how many times I've found a complete swap (multiple different cars from bmw to Nissan to Chevy) and when picking it up asking about another block or pile of parts in a corner and the seller throw in for free or little extra on top, that being said you can sell what isn't needed, make some money back, when I was swapping my 1j into my E36 I went to buy the 1j off Craigslist, showed up at the sellers house without seeing anything besides 2 pics of the engine and him listing it litterally as "1jzgte for your next party car" had no details, nothing, when I got there I lucked out, he had gotten it off a wrecked 1j swapped e36 sedan, gave me a swap harness, trans bell housing adapter, headers, flashed ecu preTuned for the swap, even a spare turbo for 300$ more, after I got home I cancelled probably 3 to 4 grand of conversion orders and also went and canceled probably 2 grand in parts orders, and had the swap in and running reliably less then a month later, I spent maybe 4000$ total for the build up to that point, that's for the car, the 1j, all the swap parts. Sold the m50, sold my black m3 interior, and was back down to around 1200$ spent on the car haha, later down the line went to buy coilovers, ended up leaving with some turbo Mac wheels and 2 brembo drilled and slotted rotors, only paid 200 for the coilovers (they were no name eBay junk but great to slide with) and got all the extra shit for 600$ I've gotten halfway through building a Honda, simple h22 swap, same route I always go, an while going to buy parts of someone ended up trading for a caged and fully built rolling chassis 240 coupe, needed complete drivetrain and paint, but had cage, all suspension arms and components replaced, many upgraded, and even had upgraded fuel and brake lines, all I had into the Civic h22 build was bride seat, bolt in cage, harness, 200$ junkyard h22, had eBay headers and eBay solid mounts, wasn't wired or anything yet. People need to stop fearing the cost.
To me was a Nightmare, at the end my turbo exploded at 600 with w/m at 1.8bar.
This video is going to be legendary in 5 years. Great job. I do hope to beat your cost though!
Thanks man! And if you beat my costs that would be awesome 👍
@@Pawinning I have a s50b32 motor in my e36. Would you recommend this route for a turbo? Do the manifold fit? Or is the cost going to be alot more?
@@horacegray2417 If your car is a us spec e36, the manifold will fit, however I wouldn't recommend it. On his car, the turbo sticks out of the hood.
@@imnota it not a us spec motor its the euro 3.2 l evolution motor with the 6 speed transmission. So you are say those top mount are not good?
@@horacegray2417 Top mount can be good, but that manifold won't work, it's too high for the turbo to fit underneath the hood. But it won't work anyway, because the euro engines are different.
Thank you for the video! How many pounds of boost do you run? And what kind of power do you make?
My build overview video (first video I made on the channel, covers all the parts and background info) 👌😎
You're videos really help with understanding the intricacies under the hood. Thanks man!
+MrDoctorPants thank you for the compliments! You're welcome
Thank you for taking the time to share all of this information and for all of the work you put into breaking it all down and explaining. I appreciate it! You really put this in perspective and exposed the realistic cost for something like this. I knew there was more involved than just installing the turbo kit, but now I know how MUCH MORE! I didn't want to start something that i couldn't finish.
+Junito Jito thank you for your support!! More content to come :)
He wanted to build it from scratch. It has more meaning to him I'd say. Great video man!
+Kevin nanners thank you!!
probably one of the most well planned out video on the topic thanks a lot!
Thanks, like to see what others have done. I started with just getting my 328is dried up and running good. 6x over budget so far, but going to be a great car for the road track. Went with the high end stand alone ECU along with full suspension, stroker build low end. VAC did a great job on the head. Let you know more when get it all together. Just starting on turbo now.
the video on winding roads brought me to your channel and this build is sick man keep it up!
+RDK thank you, I'll try my best :)!
SO nice when someone is actually knowledgeable
Super informative!! Awesome video man, and awesome car!
+Zwingfilms thank you! I'm glad it was helpful!
😂😂😂😂
Instantly subscribed when I came to this video from another video presenting your car. Looking good man
+Life Is Turd thanks man!!
title threw me off lol in 06 to make a 1000whp m52 we ran the tec3 standalone ecu and flew a tuner in from canada . i thought you were running the same ecu by your title
Wasssup, thanks for making these videos it gives me a good idea of what I will do when I decide to turbo my e36, it was hard to find people going into details, helpful videos!!
+Anatoliy Barzul thank you!!
Agreed, great video!
Extremley organized you saved me a lot of researching lol
I’m glad I saved you time!
About to turbo my e36, this is all great info, thanks!
You’re welcome! Good luck on your build
Thanks Man!
Like others have said, awesome video man, thank you for taking the time to share this!
Thank you for your support :)!
Good information. Keep up the good videos. My e36 m3 turbo pushing 511. Boosting at 17psi. And daily driven and reliable
+Mazda Rx7 FD 1993 thank you!!
+Mazda Rx7 FD 1993 thank you!!
+Mazda Rx7 FD 1993 thank you!!
thank you, im in the process m52 swap my z3 nd this video shows all options
because i want to make at least 450 hp with a decent turbo set up
my total build with the full cxracing turbo kit cost me around 5300$ custom tune included and for fueling i went with detshwerks injector and fuel pump and ive done arp headstud and a heandgasket
That white board is work of art
How haven’t i found this video or channel before!
That's why I love Japanese engines
Is this cheaper and more reliable than a 2JZ or LS swap? I'm only interested in about 400hp.
I think you could do an ls swap within the same budget range I proposed. I've never done one myself, but that's on my bucket list 😎. A 2jz swap may be too expensive depending on how prices fluctuate on the imported engines
@@Pawinning OK. Thanks btw. This video was very helpful.
You're welcome! I'm glad my content is helpful for your own projects 🙏
This truly is a great and detailed video. But after seeing the price of the build I think I'm sticking to n/a even tho turbos are AWESOME [blow of valve intensifies]
if you guys are going to consistently drive your car hard after going FI don't overlook cooling system upgrades (aluminum radiator and expansion tank ect..) braking, and suspension upgrades (control arms, bushings, motor and trans mounts, guibo disc ect..)
Great video! You explained it all perfectly thanks
Thanks for watching! You're welcome 🙏😎
Great vid man, really informative and well done!
Thank you!
This is awesome! Super informative. Thanks!
Does this apply to a 2013 S4? Asking for a friend
IgnitionTube Sure.
no
Maybe
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I may know
Great video man. Definitely looking to turbo one or both of my E36’s one day lol. Subbed!
Thank you!! More bmw content soon. Showing love for the civic atm 😂
Thank you so much for this video. Very helpful.
is it 1 million dollars? i knew it...
+Tedward give or take a few thousand 😂
The price you pay for having to tune an already tuned motor.
@@leamonwilson6902 25,000 hahaha
I’m running the Miller war chip on my turbo s50 and can’t seem to get ahold of millers support at all, I’m wondering if you’d be willing to share your tune with me so I can get my car to the dyno. We have pretty similar build other than engine displacement
Awesome thanks !
it was helpfull and learned a lot
hi good video BUT k-data in eu sells plug and play ecu for m50/m52 for 500€ its megasquirt inside the stock ecu box
Awesome vid bro!👍im learning a lot from your videos..keep up the great work man! And i subbed
+James Wren thank you!! I appreciate your support :)
You are beast for making this video!!!!!!
Thank you!
or buy a wreked 335i n54 transplant engine and running gear and use jb4 and mhd flasher
Steven Andrews totally
It’s not as straightforward as M50 in an E30 or M54 in an E36. To get it running on the OEM ECU, you need to take a lot of electronics under the dash and fit all that in the receiving car, way more than usual swaps.
shelby M why not just go singleturbo during the swap? Would be much easier that way. Plus, 80 thousand miles in a hobby car is a LOT
shelby M why the rear end and front subframe, steering rack, etc? By your logic, the modified car scene wouldn’t exist :)
Brilliant vid!
Thanks!
Great video with solid information! Thanks for sharing! You must not have a wife if you're being this specific on cost of the build 😋
Great video Pawinn!
+Carlos Orozco thank you Carlos!
this video was awesome man!
+Danny Courtney thank you!
Ahhhh! Good old Technica Motorsports. They built my E36 M3 Turbo
+Richard Fuller glad you know their kit first hand!
Subscribed! Awesome videos man. I'm planning to do the same project and you my friend, you are doing so inforrd and i get an answear for my every question. Keep it up!
+Erkki .Tammik thank you! If u have any specific questions, I try my best to answer Instagram direct messages
current hp and torque numbers////?
Are you sure its a good idea to retain the stock transmission?
Getrag trans, no. Zf trans, yes
Pawinning ah you didn't include the transmission in this. What do you think of using the e46 m3 6spd getrag?
I have a question. How much fuel it burns /km(mile) after you tuned it up?
Great video!, I plan on basically doing the same setup as you besides a few parts here and there.
Nice man, Good luck with your build 👍😎!
Pawinning you got Instagram? I’d like to keep up with your E36 🤙
@@brettl4218 yessir, @powow66 👍
Pawinning thanks my man
Aren't the TU motors an ally block? Obv you haven't had any problems with the studs ripping out of the aluminum block, did you timesert new threads in? I've heard this can be a problem on the forums.
Nope, the m50 block isn’t aluminum. It’s an some sort of iron/steel alloy I believe. Haven’t had any problems with the studs 😎.
m50b25tu is single vanos and is cast iron block, same as m50b25 non vanos but m52 are aluminium blocks and they are problem.
How did you find a s50 for 350? Are you in Australia or the US?
It was an m50, s50s go for 1500-2500 depending on mileage. But I basically used a site like car-part.com that cross-references junkyards to find pricing on various car parts and assemblies
Oh that makes sense thanks.
My dream is build a 2jz swap single turbo E36 M3 for drift/drag but cars and parts are so expensive here 45.000 for E36 M3
And also total price of the basic parts are around 70k (whitout shipping and Taxes)
+E36 M3 holy crap that's pricey! Where are u located? You'd be better off building a turbo 3 series than an m3, and depending on spare junk/parts cars you could salvage a lot of parts as needed for a budget build 😎
Hi Pawinning
Did you do a vid on Rear Diff for the E36? Very few comes with limited.Do you know any after market wich will work for cheap? I don't want welding.
I have not done one for an aftermarket diff. But a stock m3 lsd is good enough for most applications.
Ok thank you. For many is not easy to geth a M3 diff. ALso we see it is very exspensive. I was thinking maybe there is a easy way to make a caqr Limit slip for low cost. www.ebay.com/itm/LSD-Limited-Slip-Differential-Conversion-Kit-Euro-Racing-For-BMW-E30-E36-E46-M3-/291900383554 www.ebay.com/itm/Bmw-E46-E39-PROGRESSIVE-Limited-slip-differential-LSD-Sperre-conversion-set-188/263320669067?hash=item3d4f228b8b:g:yJQAAOSw4jFa8DOy any one use this items?
Best engine to use is M50B25 non vanos
Could there be problems cause vanos and turbo combined
Hey Pawinn, I'm working on pricing out an m50 turbo build to swap into my 328. Did you do anything with forged internals, or just the upgraded head gasket to run 15lbs? Not necessarily trying to break the bank, but I want my build to be solid and land somewhere in the 400hp range.
I didn’t not install forged internals. A stock motor with a fresh thicker mls or cutting gasket paired with ARP Studs should be safe for 15 lbs
Pawinning awesome! Thanks much, love the content! Keep it up dude 💪🏼
Very well put together... kudos
thank you!
Do you know if a m50b20 non-vanos 150hp can handle turbo conversion on 100% stock engine with 0.4-0.5 bar ?
+Sebastian 24 yes that should be fine depending on the mileage on the motor. The stock headgasket has been known to hold around 8psi just fine
Well idk how much mileage my engine is , on board computer it shows 330.000 km but that 330.000 km is in 2 engines , the first engine was m20b20 i think and now after swap it is m50b20 i guess it have around 200.000-220.000 km , sry for my bad english , could we speak in private i want some advices from you , sorry for bad english again
So far i got those parts : - T3 / T4 Turbocharger (internal wastegate)
- Godspeed Type-M intercooler (20.5x6x2.75)
- Aluminum pipe kit + silicone hose + necklaces
- Stainless steel gallery
- Blow OFF Valve BOV
- Oil hose kit
- Gasoline pressure regulator, Boost controller
- Accessories, gaskets, hoses, reducers, etc.
-Full air cold intake kit
and ill buy crankshaft from 2.5i , 2.8 or 3.0
With 0.5 bar do you think that i can boost my hp from 150 to 250 hp?
+Sebastian 24 message me on Instagram! It's hard to tell how much power you'll get without the turbo sizing
I have a stock bmw e36 m43 1.6cc..
I want to increase torque and acceleration little more..By increasing some horsepower,how much will it cost me,because I do not want to spend much money? And what is the best things to upgrade,without damaging the engine? Thanks
If you’re on a budget, the things to focus on are weight reduction. Lighter wheels, radiation viscous fan delete (with cooling upgrades or replace the fan with an electric one), an intake and tune
Other than that there isn’t anything that would give you the best bang for buck with your 4 cylinder motor. A lighter flywheel will help with acceleration, but that’s a more invasive project if you don’t wanna dig deep
viscous fan for the radiator, not radiation sorry for the typo
Thanks for your reply :) Ok also what about cold air intake, air filter ,tune chip , whole exhaust.. So maybe around 15hp more? Does it worth it?
Will i have more torque and power?Will my engine be safe? Thanks!!
Megasquirt is a good Cheap standalone option!
+Snakey Dizzle thank you for your input!
hey man, I would really appreciate a reply, I have bought a very well done S52 E30. I've done a bunch of work on m50s and other cars. Do you have any idea how much turboing an e30 s52 would cost given everything is put together well already? Obvously the motor has to come out again for the build but Im just really looking at cost with me doing all the work. Looking at 450hp as the goal.
Are you still running the getrag 250 or did you swap in a zf 310/320?
+Rood's Garage yes still the getrag but I'm looking around for some local zf transmissions atm to hopefully swap!
Which year is this E36? I'm looking for a new car so Immediately looking for something reliable and fun.
1995 is the model year 👌. Thanks for commenting!
I was checking you channel and you got a bunch of useful videos on the E36. How reliable is the E36 compared to a Toyota or honda? Many people call the BMW endless money pits.
Are m52b28's any good for boost?
Howdy, do you mind sharing some of your parts list with us? Also does the $5k estimate include suspension and subframe reinforcement, etc? Lastly nice e36 BTW.
+Aaron Barth the estimate is only for what I budgeted for the turbo build only. The parts list is in the description! Thanks :)
Pawinning thanks for that parts list, good write up. Something tells me it was always in the description and I didn’t even notice... my apologies for that... If you don’t mind me asking, what are your thoughts on RK Tunes versus your Miller setup?
So if I want 400hp in a 318i I dont need forge pistons?
M50/s50 is a simar to 2jz ? Is it any diffrence?
similar, but the 2jz has more aftermarket support for more power. that's why its a popular platform over the m50/s50 engines, because with the bmw engines anything more that 400-500 needs forged internals for a reliable setup.
yall just gunna ignore those sick ass drawing? alright i guess
Hahaha thanks man! Would do car drawings on the channel but no time 😂
What is the engine and transmission? M50b25?
Yes, i say it’s an m50b25tu in the video. Stock getrag trans
Pawinning nice job bro. Have fun 😀
Thanks man!
How is de manifold holding up? No cracks?
+Fvi E36 not yet! I made a bracket to help support the weight of the turbo as well
Pawining, have you considered a K20 turbo swap?
Yes, might go ls or 2j swap before that 😂
10/10 vid
Thank you!
Where you located? Do you know anybody in the NC area?
Seeing the cost of all this makes me appreciate bikes so much more. Great very informative video though.
+Oso Slo thank you!
What size head gasket??? Cheers
+edward chugg 0.120"!
Can you do this to a 1992 e36
yessir
And why do you need to machine the head if you want to use a "performance headgasket". You resurface the head when it's warped because you have a blown headgasket. If you don't have a blown headgasket then don't resurface the head
The cometic mls headgasket I installed requires the cylinder head to be resurfaced to a specified roughness average to ensure an optimal seal. If you're replacing the hg with a stock hg, you can get away with just cleaning the surfaces of the old gasket and slapping a fresh gasket on. Personally, I would just get the head resurfaced since I would plan on getting other head work done (valve seal replacement, pressure test, etc)
@@PawinningI've never heard of heads being milled to "different roughnesses" so I'm totally not buying that. Sounds like a ploy to get you to mill the head so they have less returns by those that thought their head was straight when it wasnt
@@timm5970 I wouldn't be surprised if it was a ploy, cometic MLS headgaskets can have an unreliable seal long term from from researching a few boosted build threads on bimmerforums, etc. I'm not an expert to argue why RA matters on mating surfaces, but since it was my first build I didn't want to cut corners in areas where I was inexperienced (which is why feedback here is great to learn new/alternative methods). Regardless, I plan to switch over to a cut-ring gasket with future builds to avoid the more strict surface prep requirements for an MLS headgasket.
standalone ecu options are not so pricey check my car runs 450 BHP and i paid about 250 british for a Mega squirt ecu from DIYAUTOTUNE. not affiliated to the company or anything just a humble old school tuner with a turbo E30 best buy i made for my car.
Hey man thanks for the info! Yes, I've considered going with a standalone ecu (actually looked at a PNP megasquirt kit!). I'll definitely check out your E36. Do you have an instagram?
@@Pawinning no insta here. Best t I've a few vids on you tube of my build and a short video with a few gear changes at low rpm. Can't rate mega squirt highly enough tho for what it costs it's features are excellent. Don't get me wrong there is better out there for tuning and sure a 16x16 spark map could be bigger but u can always do table switching to double Ur spark table resolution above a set boost pressure. So yeah happy with the coat and functionality of my ECU for sure good luck with Ur build and don't forget cooling ;) all the best
No worries! Thank you for your feedback and advice. Yes, it'll be a challenge figuring out which way i'd want to control boost levels. I'm sure I'll have something planned for the winter. Thank you for your support! Cheers.
@@Pawinning welcome boost controller for megasquirt can be done but it's a proper mess around to do I scarpped that and went for a greddy controller works really well and has a tidy looking display on it.
thanks for this vid!!
amazing video
Good job
Thank you!
I'm on that 18 year old part time broke boy budget. I read if you do head gasket and head studs you can push up 20 psi and make 350+ whp. Anyone know how much you can make on stock motor 5-8 psi? And if you should?
I’m make 350whp with 14 psi. 8 psi will give you 275-300, but rule of thumb is you wanna build for more power than you want. A gasket and arp studs are a must imo. It’ll give you fewer headaches down the line. I understand the budget you have, I was in a similar position in high school when I first picked up my e36. I encourage patience with saving up money and really looking for the best deal out there for secondhand parts. With all that, it gives you time to sort out little maintenance items here and there to really prepare the car for an aspiration conversion.
I agree on waiting for good second hand deals - if you don’t have a specific timeline, you can wait and search for the best deals, instead of paying through the nose on parts you need urgently. And unopened engine (M50) should hold 8-10psi, depending on its general shape. Just put the kit together, get it working (so you’ll have some fun out of your hard work and money) and don’t overdo it with boost. Once you can afford it, take apart the engine and put in the parts needed for your power goals +~25% - that way you can just turn it up if you feel you need more at some point 😃
@@Pawinning lol now 6 months later re watching this, I have about a 4k budget and will probably end up doing a similar build. I have a 323is, should I swap to an m50 or is an m52 gonna hold power the same and as reliably? ( looking to make around 320)
zaviier _ hmmm I would stick with an m50 if you have an obd1 ecu, m52 if your obd2. An m50 would be easier to work with imo and cheaper to source. M52s can provide more torque, but are a little bit more expensive and people perform m50 manifold swaps on them with boosted builds anyways
Pawinning then again, M50s are older and are sometimes showing their age by now. The M52B28 has 0.3L more displacement and an aluminium block, which makes it lighter. Lighter front is good, since you’ll be adding weight to the front and therefore changing the balance of the car. Not to mention the six-cylinder E36s are slightly nose-heavy from the factory
How much hp does it have?
~350whp
Do you know who sale BMW 325i hard top convertible
Waoo cost 2jz swap $2999engine and trassmision r154 $2000 computer microchet $1200 internal engine piston cp and rods marley
Size tire?
Hay there bro love your bmw
I have the same. Thanks for the video. Its helpful and helped me
And can't wait to +t my n50b25 😊😁🤣
Thank you for your support on my channel 🙏! Happy to help other builds as I can 😎
One question did you go stainless steel or cast iron for your manifold?
i really like your project :D
+TheLazareitor thank you!
I know this video is kinda old and might not be active, but I have a dilemma. I COULD get this e36 sedan (I kinda want a sedan over a coupe just because it's unique and more sleeper) but want to aim for the 300-350 horsepower range. I don't really want or need anything much more than that. A friend of mine has a fully machined s52 block and brand new pistons, but the pistons are low compression for high boost. Could I get away with just building a N/A s52 with, let's say, tune and bolt-ons that would make something around 350hp? I know that, with the s52, the ecu is harder to tune, and as much as a turbo e36 would be insane, I'm just not sure if it's worth it to me. I need some opinions; could I build a 350hp N/A s52 for cheaper?
I dont have high hopes for a 350hp s52, it might be easier to pull a m50 from a junkyard and turbo it honestly
Yeah you’re better off boosting if you wanna reach 350hp. Maxing our bolt on mods can be just as expensive imo. The euro m3 doesn’t even get more than 330hp, so I’d say boosting is your best option. Couple hundred bucks into the motor with a better gasket and studs, then put in 12-14psi to reach that goal
How much time was invested?
If I had all the parts, all the tools, and put all the effort into one period of time grinding every day, I’d say it took me about a month or two. However with my part time jobs, school, and other commitments this turbo build took 2 years
Pawinning omg!!! That’s crazy! But to be honest that is one of the sickest builds I have seen on TH-cam cuz your build wasn’t the prettiest but it sounds and looks beautiful thanks for sharing telling me about the car👌🏾
great resource
Thank you!
Boa noite amigo, curto muito seus videos preciso do link do eBay que tenha esse adaptador do filtro de óleo ou algum site que envie pro Brasil continue fazendo videos com esse conteúdo vc ajuda muito.....muito obrigado aguardo sua ajuda!
ola, desculpe com qualquer tradução errada do inglês. o adaptador de filtro de óleo que eu tenho não está mais disponível, mas confira este aqui. ele deve funcionar da mesma forma para alimentar o óleo no radiador de óleo. Eu não tenho certeza se eles enviam para o Brasil, mas eu tenho certeza que você pode contatá-los diretamente para ter certeza.
rallyroad.net/products/oilcoolercap
obrigado por assistir meus vídeos! espero que eles ajudem você com seus projetos 🙏
Looking back so much info in this video is either completely wrong like a stock hg can hold way more than just 8psi lmao
Would it work of a e39???
Should apply to all m50 engines with single vanos 👍
Thanks bro!!!
You’re welcome!
how much power is your car making? $5500 is realistic if the cars making 500hp
+Tyler ford I built the turbo setup to handle 500hp, but tuned it for 400hp to be safe 👌
Wow, I thought it was much much more than that lol
S50 for 1500 Bucks??? In Garmany they cost about 4k... Nice video by the way
Woah that’s a huge difference from the US! But thank you for your feedback!
Pawinning
I did some research. It seems the US engine is totally different to the EU engine we have here. Just for information:
Different Vanos, different Intake, different RPM, less HP in the US.. Very interesting.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M50
foshizzlfizzl thanks for researching, yes your right. The euro spec m3 engines are like gold. It sucks the US didn’t get higher hp E36s 😢. I was mainly surprised by the price difference, but considering the component differences that makes sense!
Yeah I think they worth it. But therefore everyone in EU who wants to build a m50b28 out of a m50b25, is looking for your US M3 Crankshaft :) so you got something that we want too :) equal pain in this BMW Owner World :P
What power did this make?
+Mitchum Pacifico 14 volts
**sigh**
+Mitchum Pacifico just messin with u, 340whp! More details in my other videos
How much Hp can run without forged internals?
400 easy. Anything above 500 gets sketchy depending on the health of the motor
Pawinning Okay, thanks men✌
Pawinning 400 hp withouts internals ?? hhmm....