D1 Wrestler vs BJJ Brown Belt ABSOLUTE SCRAP! | Mikey England vs Austin Baker

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  • Division 1 Wrestler and MMA prospect Mikey England takes on Gracie Barra brown belt Austin Baker during the Semi-Finals of the Men's Advanced No-Gi Absolute at Sub Spectrum: Des Moines (June 2019)
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  • @YouStupidBunny
    @YouStupidBunny 3 ปีที่แล้ว +536

    I wrestled D1 during the mid-90's and rolled with a Jiu Jitsu blue belt. Most of the time, I thought I was winning until I was trapped. That was a humbling experience.

    • @dallaswilliams1002
      @dallaswilliams1002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I was a horrible wrestler in high school. But i do good against blue belts. But thats because i knew self taught submissions. My first day of Wrestling practice i was 105 pounds and choked out a guy that was 215 in about 5 seconds. I was disappointed when i was told thats not allowed in wrestling

    • @rabbitazteca23
      @rabbitazteca23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dallaswilliams1002 lol yeah. chocking also isn't allowed in Jiu Jitsu tournaments right?

    • @ramon1930
      @ramon1930 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@rabbitazteca23 Wtf. Sure it is.

    • @zymond8405
      @zymond8405 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Personally as a state champion, I usually cap out against brown belts. I know my few self taught submissions and wrestle cautious so I don't get caught in something. I usually try to roll in to my Kimura or a front face side choke with like arm pressure (idk I'm not a bjj guy).

    • @dallaswilliams1002
      @dallaswilliams1002 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Mason Ferris that's true. I went to a judo gym one time and almost everyone their was a black belt. I destroyed every black belt but one. We were about even, but he also trained at other places for a long time before that. I was submitting everyone else atleast twice in 2 minute drills

  • @AnGhaeilge
    @AnGhaeilge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +353

    Butt-scooting should be banned in submission grappling. It gives BJJ players no incentive to learn how to take someone down.

    • @alex.pendleton
      @alex.pendleton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      As a jiu jitsu fighter i agree. It has given jiu jitsu a bad image over the years. It is a ground fighting art so you should learn how to take it there.

    • @alex.pendleton
      @alex.pendleton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @Shaun K running isn’t all about knowing how to put your shoes on, but its pretty damn important to do first. I also don’t think that anyone implied that grappling is all about takedowns. Its just something you should know.

    • @AnGhaeilge
      @AnGhaeilge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @Shaun K If you can't take someone down, what control exactly do you have over them? I've trained both BJJ and Judo - takedowns are essential for the real world to apply your BJJ.

    • @Mishkola
      @Mishkola 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @Shaun K there is a reason why you don't see a lot of butt scooting in MMA; even though MMA doesn't directly translate to the real world, it gets a little closer than more restrictive sports.

    • @johnmcadam7493
      @johnmcadam7493 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      100 % ... think Khabib and GSP

  • @kallepikku4991
    @kallepikku4991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1034

    Title should say:
    "190 pounds wrestler vs 240 pounds BJJ brown belt".

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +207

      Not making a statement about BJJ vs Wrestling. If anything we wanted to showcase how incredibly effective wrestling can be when you understand a little BJJ. It’s simply a title and a thumbnail that gets people to click. If I posted this video with their names or a different title, it might get 100 views in a day. With this thumbnail and title it’s gotten over 11,000 in less than a day and because of that more people than every know who these men are - compared to if I just named it “Mikey England vs Austin Baker”

    • @kallepikku4991
      @kallepikku4991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +142

      @@subspectrumbjj I'm pretty sure the title "190 pounds wrestler vs 240 pounds BJJ brown belt" would get the same or even more views. At least there is an underdog to root for.

    • @alessandrosaltsman2202
      @alessandrosaltsman2202 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      Based on how your speaking, it comes to sound that your a wrestler, who feels attacked. I know how you feel, because I felt the same. But you have to understand that this isn’t about which one is better. Both are very effective, however, wrestling tends to favor the feet, and BJJ favors the ground. It went exactly as expected. I wrestled for ten years, and I’ve done BJJ for 4 months. It proves how effective it is. Please understand that this isn’t about which one is better, it’s about a really good match between two different grappling backgrounds.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@alessandrosaltsman2202 Exactly! ^^^

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think I must’ve thought I was responding to a different suggestion cause this is actually a good one.

  • @The_YouTube_Critic
    @The_YouTube_Critic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +691

    Nice to see the wrestler in the appropriate division. I've seen some D1 and MMA guys cleaning out whitebelt divisions lately.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +143

      We would never allow it and Mikey would never do that. He wants to compete against and beat the best. With a little more Jiu Jitsu experience I believe he could do really well in the ADCC ruleset.

    • @The_YouTube_Critic
      @The_YouTube_Critic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@subspectrumbjj I appreciate that mindset. There was a money comp that I'm not going to name. The white belt winners were MMA fighters and a D1 wrestler. I've been to past comps with Judo black belts and such competing at white belt. I just don't understand it.

    • @VoltedSoldier
      @VoltedSoldier 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      @@The_TH-cam_Critic it's because they are afraid, afraid of getting rag dolled by someone with their own level of skill.

    • @kevin8462
      @kevin8462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I enjoy facing better fighters as a white belt. Our gym throws us to the wolves and forces different levels of experience for all of us. The wrestlers are savages,

    • @samuelemeryjiujitsu
      @samuelemeryjiujitsu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lately?

  • @HookEm21
    @HookEm21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +545

    Impressive how evenly matched they were despite the major size difference

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Agreed. Styles make matchups and this was a perfect example of that fact.

    • @Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion
      @Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wait who was bigger!?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion Austin had about 50 lbs on Mikey

    • @godsmack1716
      @godsmack1716 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I didnt it was that close tbh.....close un points but Austin had his back twice with 2 close chokes and two sweeps.....

    • @Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion
      @Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@subspectrumbjj holy shit. 50 pounds? Could you imagine if they weighed the same. Crazy

  • @otosbutt
    @otosbutt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    As a beginner, the commentary is very helpful. I am able to see and understand things better unlike videos without explanation. Thanks!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Hey! Thanks for the comment and for checking out the video!

    • @jasonkenny9559
      @jasonkenny9559 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      D rank

  • @cheesymac6732
    @cheesymac6732 3 ปีที่แล้ว +411

    That was insane how he managed to escape the almost rear naked choke hold

    • @farhcawalid8224
      @farhcawalid8224 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That's because he is calm

    • @markg9749
      @markg9749 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@farhcawalid8224 Yes...OSS...!!

    • @fernandofigueirinhas7110
      @fernandofigueirinhas7110 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@farhcawalid8224 time management was perfect. But I would've tapped before he even started choking 😭

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      There’s a lot that went into his ability to defend that choke. I speak on it briefly in the commentary but would love to dive a little deeper into an explanation about it.

    • @raptorfeet
      @raptorfeet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@subspectrumbjj would love to see that. Subbing in hopes you make that vid.

  • @danieloftamriel
    @danieloftamriel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    5:24 Now *THAT* is chain wrestling

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Beautiful stuff! 🙌🏼

    • @TorahObservantUnitarian
      @TorahObservantUnitarian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Amen . This is why I want boxing and wrestling before Muay Thai and jiu jitsu

  • @Roll_Vids
    @Roll_Vids 3 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    5:24-5:44 Wrestling clinic. 20 seconds of gold!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Seriously! Can’t tell you how many times I’ve clipped that section out and posted it to Instagram. It’s a thing of beauty!

    • @jasonbennett2194
      @jasonbennett2194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      watch for the woman in the back with her mouth open in awe at the end of the clip hahahha

    • @Roll_Vids
      @Roll_Vids 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jasonbennett2194 Funny - I think that's what I did too. Maybe not for as long as her, though.

    • @user-pp9bl5gr1n
      @user-pp9bl5gr1n 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Finishing is more important...u slammed him now how do u finish?

    • @ChrisBenJericho
      @ChrisBenJericho ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-pp9bl5gr1n ground and pound

  • @Dpackie
    @Dpackie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    Wrestling takedowns and control can nullify a lot of BJJ. Size differential can really nullify a lot of wrestling. There's magic in the blending of both moment to moment.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No doubt - it's a great match!

    • @keanenfulton4696
      @keanenfulton4696 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Train both BJJ and Wrestling I say, through in some techniques from Judo and Sambo and you got an unstoppable grappler

    • @fr201
      @fr201 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@keanenfulton4696 train wrestling first, as a kid in youth league. Then BJJ when you get a little older, 16+. The foundation in wrestling is far superior.

    • @yusufgta4341
      @yusufgta4341 ปีที่แล้ว

      SV not if you end up on your back. Wrestlers aren't good on their backs or know to protect their backs.

    • @fr201
      @fr201 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yusufgta4341 I'm not sure what you mean. I said train both... but for kids, train Wrestling first b/c there's a built-in network of youth Wrestling leagues across the US in every public school nationwide. BJJ is still niche coast to coast. Both are great for different reasons. Wrestling for power/controls, BJJ for finishing.

  • @PUNEETAM20
    @PUNEETAM20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    That recovery from the crank with full back control was insane

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      For real though. His escapes in this match were crazy. Couldn’t believe he kept Austin from getting all the way to his back with hooks in

  • @alex.pendleton
    @alex.pendleton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    I enjoy seeing comments of wrestlers and jiu jitsu practitioners giving props to one another. Both are needed to become a great grappler!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Those are the comments we love to see. These videos are not suggesting bjj is better than wrestling or vice versa. They’re to show that all styles of grappling can be successful when used in the proper sequence. It’s those that can put it all together who will be Champions! Thanks for watching and interacting positively in the comments. It means a lot!

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subspectrumbjj I would say that wrestling and BJJ have different strengths.

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Arrgh Jay If those top level BJJ guys ever try to start an MMA career, they’re going to need those wrestling basics. Just like you said - absorbing what is useful in each, which was what Bruce Lee said. He was right all along.

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What is unfortunate is that people cannot formally train in Wrestling after they finish school, like they can in BJJ, Judo, or Karate.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Arrgh Jay it is absolutely a problem and something even I experienced up until the last year or so. I can tell you my game improved dramatically after implementing more wrestling and leveling up the intensity of the practices that I coach to be more like the wrestling practices I had in HS.

  • @davidhelman3045
    @davidhelman3045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    There was a massive weight difference between the two and anyone who has any experience in wrestling or grappling knows how hard and exhausting it is when the other guy has 30-40lbs on you

  • @harageilucid4352
    @harageilucid4352 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Both of these guys are super impressive and this was so much fun to watch. THANK YOU!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for watching and interacting in the comments! We appreciate you!

  • @SwordTune
    @SwordTune 3 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    1:28
    "Beautiful single leg."
    White shirt: It would be a shame if people couldn't enjoy this.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It was a multi camera set up so it was hard to stay out of the way of all cameras, okay lol I’ll do better next time 😂

    • @SwordTune
      @SwordTune 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@subspectrumbjj Haha, that's fine. But if you have multiple cameras, switching perspective would be very helpful.

    • @mariamamart8086
      @mariamamart8086 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that was a good Single Leg Sweep !!!!!!!
      🤙💪👌
      👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @RikthDcruze
    @RikthDcruze 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    As a wrestler, I learnt a lot from BJJ guys. So respect.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I grew up wrestling and transitioned to BJJ after high school. Wrestling gave me a really great base to get started in BJJ. Forever grateful for everything I’ve learned about technique and life on the mats.

    • @cgiles9086
      @cgiles9086 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you reccomend a TH-cam channel that shows how practicioners of each style can use skills and technique from all the other grappling styles to fill the gaps in their grappling game?

    • @rodrigovela6117
      @rodrigovela6117 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cgiles9086sambofusion9486

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wrestlers who have experience grappling with BJJ students who have their basics down - generally have respect for it. The people who show disrespect for BJJ - are the ones who have zero experience with it.

  • @ws8061
    @ws8061 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Awesome commentary and great match. I know grappling can be boring for your average person but matches like this with solid commentary are so fun.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really appreciate that man! I love doing commentary and while I still feel like I have a long way to go to become the commentator I believe I can be - it’s nice to be recognized for doing something right 🙏🏼

  • @steveniedowicz8335
    @steveniedowicz8335 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You can tell the wrestler is a great attack wrestler. Set ups and takedowns were flawless.

  • @dapras
    @dapras 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Man he got heart fighting out of that backtake rear naked choke attempt..beautiful match very good both guys

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No doubt. I broke down some of the things he did technically to escape in another comment and plan to do a video breakdown during the month of June!
      Thanks for checking out the video and dropping a comment for the algorithm! 🙌🏼 helps the channel and the athletes in the video out more than most people realize!

  • @almondfreeman6278
    @almondfreeman6278 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Mad props to the wrestler on 2:46 U gotta have a lot of mental strength and patience to pull that off!!!

  • @michaelmckay3179
    @michaelmckay3179 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Give that wrestler much credit. If he learns some more jiu-jitsu he will be a beast

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  ปีที่แล้ว

      He is. Really solid MMA fighter on the cusp of getting his opportunity in the UFC.

  • @blakerussell4639
    @blakerussell4639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is amazing just goes to show what happens when a wrestler dives into rolling. Division and Olympic wrestlers are a whole ass animal in themselves.

  • @braedenwilliams6339
    @braedenwilliams6339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely beautiful to watch, and the commentary was informative and easy to digest for all audiences 👍🏽

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Appreciate the kind words and the positive comment, Braedan!

  • @jackwellington8275
    @jackwellington8275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    that flip around he did at the end with his legs was crazy

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well timed and executed sweep from the bigger man - Austin Baker! Mikey got a little overzealous in that position and paid the price. Excited to see a rematch between these two at some point down the road!

  • @jon4226
    @jon4226 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    5:56 is so smooth

  • @zaiah9252
    @zaiah9252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really good friendly match. While Austin did great and has really good submissions, I was very impressed by Mikey’s takedowns on the big buy and his defense of getting out of those chokes.

  • @kickinwinghotboi883
    @kickinwinghotboi883 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like how you can really tell which one the wrestler is just by his style and how he approaches everything

  • @riggsmurtah2788
    @riggsmurtah2788 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Houdini with the escape act, incredible!

  • @danadane2501
    @danadane2501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    After wrestling and doing gi jiu jitsu I learned very quickly how important both are . Most importantly developing a hybrid . Learned a lot from the judo players as well . They have submissions and take downs you wont find in BJJ .

    • @evision4418
      @evision4418 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      all 3 is best!

    • @danadane2501
      @danadane2501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@evision4418 I'd be more worried about someone is super good at one thing than okay at many .

    • @erickirschenbaum2804
      @erickirschenbaum2804 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Judo takedowns are such a great tool in the clinch their submission could maybe also surprise a pure bjj or wrestling guy. It's important to know all 3

    • @danadane2501
      @danadane2501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@erickirschenbaum2804 Yep , I was never an expert at any of these but I know all 3 . So it really helps when you're going up against higher belts or wrestlers that can practically hold a freightliner down .

    • @DivineAtheistWannabe
      @DivineAtheistWannabe ปีที่แล้ว

      Now just learn muay thai

  • @jonathanbarnes4597
    @jonathanbarnes4597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was a great match. Both opponents deserve respect.

  • @DP-dd6hl
    @DP-dd6hl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great effort from both. They kept going strong right to the end as they were both already exhausted from a whole day of rolling.

  • @chesterg.791
    @chesterg.791 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wrestled in college and placed top 5 in the nation. When I go grapple, I usually handle the bjj guys. I just don't know many submissions. Wrestling translates extremely well.

    • @drobichaud1000
      @drobichaud1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      who cares

    • @chesterg.791
      @chesterg.791 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@drobichaud1000 ☝️Suffers from low-T

  • @Bowamaketona
    @Bowamaketona 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    As a wrestler absolute respect for the jiu-jitsu guy going takedowns with the d1 guy. That was a superb performance. Obv a blackbelt should beat a d1 wrestler with little to moderate experience in grappling. The way the jiu-jitsu guy baited him into getting out of position was art. There's so much that can be learned from this video and I'm sure the wrestler enjoyed the experience

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Exactly why this is one of my favorite matches in the archive. You really get to see a lot of great grappling between two guys with completely different backgrounds. Just a great match all around.

    • @user-gb4zq9np7m
      @user-gb4zq9np7m 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Being 50lbs also helps

    • @Bowamaketona
      @Bowamaketona 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@user-gb4zq9np7m I don't care much about the weight and neither did the wrestler. The results would be very similar if the weight was the same. A d1 wrestler with not a lot of jiu-jitsu experience has little chance against a black belt. But a purple or brown belt d1 wrestler should be able to stop a black belt 6/10 times

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder what goes through the mind of a wrestler when his opponent goes to the butt-scoot position?

    • @Bowamaketona
      @Bowamaketona 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@perfectsplit5515 "don't extend your arms"

  • @Orrintl
    @Orrintl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've fought Austin a few x and man he is somthing special. Good all around guy.

  • @brysonz
    @brysonz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great match. That escape and sweep to top at the end was magic.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Austin is back this Saturday in both our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolutes! We’ll be going live Saturday at 9:30 AM central time if you wanna tune in and check it out 🎥🔥 guaranteed to be an awesome event!

  • @laurencedeyn3526
    @laurencedeyn3526 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The commentary on this match was exceptional.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! I really enjoy doing commentary and just this year have been able to get back to doing it. I personally feel like I still have a lot of work to do to be the level of commentator that I believe I can be but it’s nice to know I’m doing something right. Thank you for the kind words and for dropping a comment for the algorithm 🙌🏼📈🚀

  • @Tartaruga728
    @Tartaruga728 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mikey is a stud and D1 wrestler. At that level those guys are “black belts” in base, scramble, hand fighting, escapes, pins, takedowns, grit, explosion, conditioning, mental toughness etc. they are used to no gi handles. Mikey is also an up and coming mma fighter. A smart grappler and a great guy. I’m a fan!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the comment! Mikey is a great dude 🚀

  • @kvlife4265
    @kvlife4265 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    BJJ guy was bigger stronger taller and was able to just lift the wrestling guy when in dangerous position..
    good sportsmanship great competition..
    keep it up guys you both are high level

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for checking out the video and leaving a positive comment! Appreciate you!

  • @larrycarol6693
    @larrycarol6693 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice channel. Long time wrestler too old to start Jujitsu but starting to watch it more.
    How come some matches are weight classes and some are not? Do they win the weight class and grapple for event/ open championship?

  • @DanielCrossBoss
    @DanielCrossBoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve wrestled for 11 years and I can tell you right now it’s mental to get where you want to be.

    • @xy5844
      @xy5844 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      what do you mean?

    • @DanielCrossBoss
      @DanielCrossBoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xy5844 like how hard you practice and what your goals are affect where you end up that’s for a lot of things

    • @xy5844
      @xy5844 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks for answering i follow wrestling and i enjoy it but im old and its hard where i live to find a gym that teaches this old art

  • @kennethlundgren
    @kennethlundgren 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    that was an awesome match -- these guys should become sparring partners for each other

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That would be awesome. Would love to see these guys tear it up in the training room too. That’s where you get the best footage! 🎥🚀

  • @mrd2392
    @mrd2392 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    1:28 a beautiful leg sweep

  • @jordanmaldonado1521
    @jordanmaldonado1521 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both amazing to watch. Can go either way every time. I loved watching GSP wrestle. He had it down perfect

  • @hugoalju
    @hugoalju 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The balance display on both of them is amazing, I would have fallen like a log.

  • @rabbitazteca23
    @rabbitazteca23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles. It's a great combination. Takedowns + submission = beast level. Of course if you are gonna be in the MMA, aside from tackling and submitting, you are gonna need to learn other styles that utilize punches and kicks.

    • @soramirez5473
      @soramirez5473 ปีที่แล้ว

      proficient jab to keep strikers away (mayb a side kick too) and work on bringing them elbows down hard while on top and you should be fine..

    • @Downey-2000
      @Downey-2000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Takedowns plus submitting is catch as catch can wrestling .

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles."
      BJJ comes from Judo, Japanese jujitsu, and Catch Wrestling. Esai Maeda was a Catch Wrestler, in addition to being a judoka. It is my understanding that later on, Carlson Gracie integrated wrestling into his version of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Additionally, Rolls Gracie took up wrestling and he probably took content from wrestling into BJJ.

  • @86Yaro360
    @86Yaro360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Both of them are very technical, really good match

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for checking it out and interacting in the comments! 🚀

  • @dont_trust_any1_even_ur_waifu
    @dont_trust_any1_even_ur_waifu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow crazy how far wrestling can take you in a different sport

  • @rns7426
    @rns7426 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well played match 👏
    I love seeing that BJJ can bring together wrestlers, judoka, sambo and BJJ into formats where everyone can cross pollinate.
    I love all grappling!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is the right response!

  • @ModernBeastx1
    @ModernBeastx1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    That sweep austin went from sidecontrol on bottom to top mount in mid air.. THAT WAS INSANE!!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Regardless of the opponent - Austin is a high level grappler. Showed it once again in our most recent even taking Submission victories in all six matches along the way to capturing our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolute titles 🏆🏆

    • @anonymousreviewer169
      @anonymousreviewer169 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lachlan Giles does this in one of his free TH-cam videos. If you're really interested, let me know and I'll figure the link + timestamp. And yes, it's a really nice move.

    • @ModernBeastx1
      @ModernBeastx1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anonymousreviewer169 please do.

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "That sweep austin went from sidecontrol on bottom to top mount in mid air.."
      If he initiated it from the receiving end of sidemount, then it is not actually a sweep, but an escape.

  • @kelshawnz5382
    @kelshawnz5382 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I used to train mma with Mikey. Guy is a monster no cap💯

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No don’t about it. They don’t call him the “Maniac” for no reason 😤

  • @gleep83
    @gleep83 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those standing trips by the wrestler are a thing of beauty.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He put on the clinic on the feet. And even on the ground he held his own and did a tremendous job defending the back and chokes. Especially when you see what Austin did in our most recent event - it’s truly impressive. Mikey England is no joke.

  • @AOMartialArts
    @AOMartialArts 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dang. That situp sweep was Week 1 white belt technique. Always cool to see the basics in competition.

  • @bbkyjohnson
    @bbkyjohnson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It was just nice to see a video of a bjj guy that was willing to stand at all for once!! Excellent work for both of them in my opinion. The winner was just to big in my opinion.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too big and too skilled. The way he set up that last sweep was beautiful. Driving into Mikey so he would drive back in, switches directions, and SWEEP!

    • @Treakerr
      @Treakerr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@subspectrumbjj he was just too big. Wth size comes strength. The wrestler could only do so much with his skills. I give all props to the wrestler, he didn't get tapped at all and he's a stud for going in there.

    • @bbkyjohnson
      @bbkyjohnson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can’t deny the skills. Every time he made a mistake he made him pay for it. I saw someone mentioned 65 pounds as the tipping point for an advantage in grappling in another comment which is complete bs in my opinion. If that was the case then why are most weight classes about 15 pounds except for heavyweights? I’ve always been super impressed with the body control and flexibility of high level bjj guys. Bjj is a thing of beauty at high levels. I sometimes wish they would mix in more judo and wrestling takedowns as the 3 different skill sets seem like they would compliment each other extremely well?

  • @dreamtobeapolyglot8444
    @dreamtobeapolyglot8444 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    As someone that does jiujitsu I can’t stand how so many jiujitsu people immediately drop down to their butt and then scoot around.

    • @TheAlgerietop
      @TheAlgerietop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah , like , let's pretend getting a kick to the face is a possible threat. It makes the fight look dumb

    • @bobbymccullough3210
      @bobbymccullough3210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@TheAlgerietop It's a sport, not a street fight.

    • @TheEuropeanTrey
      @TheEuropeanTrey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheAlgerietop Amazing logic there Algerie!! You know, the next time I have a Jiu Jitsu match I’ll start with a hook kick or a flying knee!

  • @racer89gt
    @racer89gt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great match from both sides. Good work gentlemen.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for checking it out and commenting! 🙏🏼🚀

  • @bshadrick
    @bshadrick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a Muay Thai and Tang Soo Do Master, this is very new to me. I really enjoyed it! To my untrained eye, they seemed somewhat similar in technique. Thanks for posting.....Bill

  • @mattwestcigarreviews
    @mattwestcigarreviews 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    D1 wrestler WITH BJJ experience against Brown Belt.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Correct with like 12-18 months of BJJ Experience. The title is meant to keep it short & simple - providing enough context to interest viewers!

    • @thecasuallongsword
      @thecasuallongsword 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's also catch wrestling. Most D1 wrestlers have some submission experience.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thecasuallongsword Plus the dude has been wrestling for 20+ years and doing BJJ for 12-18 months. If he was going to identify as anything it would be “a wrestler.” The “D1” provides context about the level of wrestler that he is.

  • @dfpguitar
    @dfpguitar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I think mikey would've won if body weights had been equal. But at the same time I really like that in sub grappling people are very loose with weight divisions.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hard to say if that is true or not, but like you said, it’s very common to see huge weight discrepancies in submission grappling - especially in this bracket. Our Absolutes draw athletes of all sizes!

    • @dfpguitar
      @dfpguitar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@subspectrumbjj hard to say for sure yes. But that D1 status means a lot. Because even when a wrestler or judoka lacks the arsenal or finesse of a submission specialist, simple relentless pressure of being pushed, pulled, thrown and slammed can physically or mentally break a more skilled opponent. The wrestler having come from such an environment, is likely to have better raw strength and cardio too. If you take khabib for example, most his career has involved wrecking opponents with relentless takedowns, controls, trips and throws. The submissions he finally applied have never been things his opponents never knew how to get out of, but eventually they just give up.

    • @Treakerr
      @Treakerr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dfpguitar he would have won for sure if the weight was more even.

    • @allrounder242
      @allrounder242 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dfpguitar ya but without his bjj knowledge
      He would've got submitted way earlier my dude

  • @Mulligatawney
    @Mulligatawney 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this is a sub only rule set? Didn't see any points for e.g. back control.

  • @Funkafella01
    @Funkafella01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work from both competitors

  • @elenchus
    @elenchus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    good performance from the wrestler in spite of a big weight difference. How much jiujitsu training has he had before this?

    • @Midnitedreary88
      @Midnitedreary88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Probably very little we didnt try any submissions I'd love to see these divison 1 wrestlers train in submission wrestling
      The outcome would be very different

    • @elenchus
      @elenchus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Midnitedreary88 but he defended submissions very smoothly as well

    • @Midnitedreary88
      @Midnitedreary88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@elenchus
      I agree

    • @shrimuyopa8117
      @shrimuyopa8117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Most of these video headlines are misleading. Almost all of the matches the guys train at jiu-jitsu gyms but might have backgrounds in other martial arts.
      It is click bait.

    • @bane3991
      @bane3991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He looks like he has had a lot of BJJ training before hand. Look at the way he's defending and look how smooth he is in these positions.

  • @SwordTune
    @SwordTune 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    At this point, I have to wonder: what is jiu-jitsu? It's not a thing anymore, it's many things. Unlike amateur wrestling, which has much stricter rulesets, BJJ (and more importantly its practitioners) are happy to co-opt other styles and then call it part of their own jiu-jitsu. Wrestling techniques are now for wrestling AND jiu-jitsu. Or judo AND jiu-jitsu. Styles don't really mean anything anymore, and really have to wonder when "x vs y" will fade away as title names because they're already almost meaningless.

    • @RedPilled-qj9mr
      @RedPilled-qj9mr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, it does seem like styles don't mean much. It's just good grappling between two skilled athletes.

  • @roxanna1971
    @roxanna1971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:36 why does he fight off the left leg instead of trying to fight the hands? Sorry if it's a stupid quest just a curious white belt.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No stupid questions man. Thank you for asking and giving me a chance to analyze the position to give my opinion about why he would have done that.
      In that position if he begins to address the choke, his hands are occupied and unable to be used for anything except defending his neck. Austin was already sliding off the back and although the choke looks deep, if Austin cannot maintain the chest to back connection, it’s very unlikely he will finish the choke.
      Austin committed to the choke instead of the seatbelt giving him less overall control. The position and movement of Mikey’s shoulders is already disrupting the chest to back connection that Austin needs to finish the choke. Because of that shoulder movement and positioning he can dedicate his efforts to fighting the hook coming over the top and to his far hip because without that hook Austin is unable to regain the chest to back connection that is required to maintain control and finish the choke.

  • @conorsreps5265
    @conorsreps5265 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is what it’s all about!! Great match

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Truly a great match. Thanks for checking out the channel 🙏🏼🚀

  • @juggernautmma42
    @juggernautmma42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That sweep at 5:58 is fire

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He set it up perfectly too. Driving into Mikey knowing he would push back and when he did - sent him for a ride!

  • @josephklostermanjr.4687
    @josephklostermanjr.4687 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What's the weight difference here?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Probably 50ish lbs. The cash prize Absolutes create some pretty crazy match-ups.

    • @josephklostermanjr.4687
      @josephklostermanjr.4687 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@subspectrumbjj the wrestler was impressive despite the difference. Both amazing athletes for sure

    • @GallowsPole805
      @GallowsPole805 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That weight difference.... ouch

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GallowsPole805 That’s what you get when you enter the Cash Prize Advanced Absolute!

    • @GallowsPole805
      @GallowsPole805 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@subspectrumbjj yeah I know... he signed up

  • @DOSEightyEight
    @DOSEightyEight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome, Do you have a video of the final after this match?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes! We’ll be uploading that match here shortly so stay tuned!

    • @DOSEightyEight
      @DOSEightyEight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@subspectrumbjj cool! Thanks for the quick response. Liked and subscribing.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DOSEightyEight Of course! Thanks for checking it out and interacting in the comments! 🙏🏼🚀 It’s helps us out a ton!

  • @rather8948
    @rather8948 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great match guys good work keep it up hope too see you make some money soon

  • @Phelly2
    @Phelly2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Not talking smack at all. I'm really not. I'm actually a BJJ player, not a wrestler.
    But watching the BJJ guy butt scooting and pulling guard in order to avoid wrestling with the wrestler, while it is a smart thing to do, it just highlights to me how the BJJ ruleset handicaps wrestlers.
    Reminds me a bit of Floyd Mayweather using boxing rules to escape every compromising position Conor McGregor put him into, which, in any other set of rules, would've led to a complete mauling.

  • @kimberleyasselin8614
    @kimberleyasselin8614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    did really well against a 50lb disadvantage, next do 240lb div 1 wrestler against 190 lb bjj brown belt

    • @Treakerr
      @Treakerr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That brown belt would get slaughtered if the weight classes were switched lol. Suplex city.

    • @lachlanbell8390
      @lachlanbell8390 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was wondering what the weight difference was, it clearly wasn't evenly matched in that regard. 50lbs is pretty huge.

  • @larryzeka5011
    @larryzeka5011 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two great competitors 👏👏👏

  • @mizu1000
    @mizu1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t grapple, but liked this video - commentary was good at explaining what was going on 👍

  • @vutran3758
    @vutran3758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A D1 wrestler is a black belt level grappler

  • @DC-kj3in
    @DC-kj3in 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine the match if they were the same size.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you think would happen? This is the game you play when you enter the Sub Spectrum Absolutes!

  • @pdeezz
    @pdeezz ปีที่แล้ว

    Great commentary 👌

  • @drummaster755
    @drummaster755 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was really impressed by the wrestler . They both did a great job and showed great skills.

  • @zane2664
    @zane2664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice to see Mark Kerr found the elixir of youth

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂😂

    • @ddave7026
      @ddave7026 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought the same thing
      Smashing machine jr

  • @shoto520
    @shoto520 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I started realizing I’ve been doing 2 different Jiujitsu styles...one for sport and the other for self defense.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly. It’s possible to train and compete with two different styles for different kinds of competition or emphasis.

  • @kumo3425
    @kumo3425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can someone explain me the ranking in American wrestling ? What’s D1 ? National ?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There’s probably somebody who could explain it better, but I’ll do my best.
      Thank Division 1 is the highest level of collegiate wrestling and includes the top 75 or so college programs.
      Below that is Division 2, Division 3, NAIA, Junior College, etc.

  • @AB-ou5qc
    @AB-ou5qc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For a total noob do you suggest bjj first and add wrestling to compliment or Vice versa

  • @adamkhan4451
    @adamkhan4451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is not wrestling verse bjj. These headlines are lame. Great match tho

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You likely wouldn’t have stumbled upon the match without the click baity title. More people watch the match and interact in the comments thus pushing the video to a much larger audience than if the video was simply titled “Mikey England vs Austin Baker” - in the end, more people see the match and thus more people know these amazing athletes names.

    • @adamkhan4451
      @adamkhan4451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@subspectrumbjj fair enough. appreciate the honesty

    • @ladev91
      @ladev91 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subspectrumbjj that's why I clicked

  • @bluegorilla1006
    @bluegorilla1006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Jesus saves. Love you guys.

  • @barcalona55
    @barcalona55 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that dude escapes chose chokes so easily. It takes so much skill and knowledge to get out of those.

  • @mattmgarza
    @mattmgarza 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've always heard the jiu jitsu community is small, but I didn't expect to hear the name of someone I've rolled with as a previous competitor in this tournament, lol. Jesseray Childrey (sp?), prior to Covid he was occasionally at our school during the no-gi. He's an absolute beast. He was probably giving me 5% effort and crushing me.

  • @dougweaver5456
    @dougweaver5456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’ve seen more exciting chess matches

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Congratulations lol go watch chess.

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve seen more exciting choreographed movie fights. I watch actual competitions so I can see what is realistic, rather than what is exciting.

  • @jtms1200
    @jtms1200 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    no points for the back take with both hooks in and stabilized? Is this a sub only tourney or something?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Similar to ADCC rules where the first half of the match is unscored and submission only and the second half of the match is scored.

  • @AncientAccomplishments
    @AncientAccomplishments 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lotta great recoveries in this one.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mikey’s ability to keep Austin off his back and defend the choke attempts was tremendous. Seeing what Austin did this past Saturday makes this even more impressive.

  • @omnigeddon
    @omnigeddon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great match.. very talented guys

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No doubt about it. Thanks for checking it out!

  • @heatto162
    @heatto162 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was waiting for some underhook throws or some throwing the legs in on top from the d1.

  • @TheNamesDalton
    @TheNamesDalton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great matchup and SICK Gyarados tatto

  • @RadThad89
    @RadThad89 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great match!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for checking it out and interacting in the comments Thad! 🚀Helps us and the athletes out a ton!

  • @atilax6452
    @atilax6452 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Career Wrestlers will almost always top other styles. Throw submission work on top of that and you have a very dangerous opponent.
    This guy will be scary in the future.

  • @iShredStreets
    @iShredStreets 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can’t wait to get back in the gym!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Injury or COVID related?

    • @iShredStreets
      @iShredStreets 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subspectrumbjj The Pandemic situation here in Europe. The gyms are back open but contact sports are still on hold.

  • @Bleachedhambone
    @Bleachedhambone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome match. This perfectly exemplifies the strengths of Bjj and wrestling with regard to their respective forms of control.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We think so too! Thanks for watching and interacting in the comments 🚀 it helps out a ton!

  • @yessum15
    @yessum15 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great upload, great match. Mikey's a stud for sure. Title of the vid is fine, no need to mention weight, but you should address discrepancy in the description.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is our Advanced No-Gi Absolute, so almost every match has a weight discrepancy. Last event we had a match that was 170 lbs vs 330 lbs 😳

    • @yessum15
      @yessum15 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subspectrumbjj Lol u people are maniacs 👍

  • @bradleycato1641
    @bradleycato1641 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome match

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indeed! Thanks for checking it out 🙏🏼🚀

  • @ButtsandFarts
    @ButtsandFarts 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even doe the size played a big difference in the grappling match but props to both guys doe.
    They were like two tigers going at it.

  • @andym1594
    @andym1594 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    phenomenal!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for checking out the match and leaving a positive comment. Appreciate you!

  • @arambrown9116
    @arambrown9116 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand. Do wrestlers do submissions? What was this for?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mikey, a Division 1 wrestler with about 12-18 months BJJ experience, entered our Advanced No-Gi Absolute (open weight, open rank) and made it to the semi-finals where he faced off against Austin, a BJJ Brown Belt.

  • @bobbydabutcha
    @bobbydabutcha 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be interesting to see a more even sized match up.