WHAT KILLED PUNK?
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What killed punk? Some of what I touch on:
* Punk's origins in the 1970s via punk rock bands like Sex Pistols, The Clash, and The Ramones
* How punk spawned subgenres like hardcore (Bad Brains, Black Flag), post-punk (Joy Division), and new wave (Devo, Talking Heads)
* Why 90s bands like The Offspring, NOFX and Green Day were the last of mainstream punk
* The rise of crossover, straight edge, emo, and Riot Grrl bands like Bikini Kill
* How modern artists like City Morgue, Nascar Aloe, Ghostemane, Charli XCX, 100 Gecs and Tyler The Creator embody the spirit of punk
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Hey Finn
Great vid. You asked earlier, what killed punk? My reply: Green Day. Nailed it. Got trendy and chose a political side. Maybe punk won...the old punkers are now mainstream. Good for them?
@@jburdsinfuse remember when they were ostracized from Gilman street after they "sold out," and years later Gilman was like, ahhhhh shit our bad. Sorry about that.
The Los Punks film killed punk in LA!!! Before the full length doc there was a mini-doc, also by vans, that brought more tourists and added divisiveness in the scene to the point where it lost its love, and the documented bands were left exploited.
SOPHIE 🎒
This is like Finn's self titled album
Same thoughts
That's a great observation
I really wish I got this but I'm not ashamed to ask you to explain.
@@charlesschwaboverhere5582 The Punk Rock MBA, who is known for videos like "What killed Metalcore" or "What Killed Skate Punk" is now finally doing a "What killed punk" video
😂😂😂😂😂😂
''We are the ultimate anarchists. Now if you wanna be part of us, follow our strict rules...''
Now you know why you shouldn't base your identity on being anti-something else
The only rule of punk is there are no rules...and you have to have a mohawk, listen to the Sex Pistols and Agent Orange, and hate the Beatles. Seriously, if you are caught listening to anything that poppy, you are a poser.
When you "have" to have the right clothes or hair to be part of the group then you're not different from a businessman putting on his suit before
going to the office.
@@elonmush4793 The only difference is that the "punks" are making less money.
Anarchist meeting at 7 sharp, don't be late!
Punk taught me to question authority and question anyone in power. Which is a beautiful thing. If you don't question authority then nothing changes.
I think the better word is critical thinking. If you question everything you’ll be paranoid
Im not questioning everything, but i question alot of things. does that make me paranoid? @@loveseat-honey
@@stillcursed5168 It depends. Do you use verifiable acts and logic to question the dominant social and political culture? If so, you are not paranoid.
But if you fall for every stupid conspiracy theory that comes along, that makes you paranoid
You aren't allowed to question the establishment these days otherwise you're cancelled and called a bigot, racist etc.
The punkest dude I ever met was a guy that wanted to join the local motorcycle club. So he put on a 3 piece suit, walked into their clubhouse and asked to speak to the president of the chapter. He then handed the guy his resume and sat down as if he was at a corporate interview. They took him in immediately because he was the only one they ever saw with that amount of sheer balls.
Lmao, respect
If this story is true, that is AWESOME!
yeap, that's punk
Joining any sorta congregation is probably the least punk thing you can do.
That is awesome.
There was an old joke/saying that this kinda reminds me of:
"A punk with a huge mohawk and leather studded vest was walking down the street when he was stopped by an average 30 something. The 30 something asks the punk 'whats punk' so the punk knocks over a trash can nearby and says 'thats punk'. The 30 something then knocks over another trash can and asks 'so is that punk then too?' and the punk responds, 'no, that's conformity'"
A good summary....👍
Didn't Sid Vicious say that?
cherrysoda97 wait i thought it was billie joe
except that kid already is conforming with his mowhawk
Once you're doing it to be punk, it isn't punk. You could argue that a lot of what we call punk after 1976 was just pop music, calling itself punk. It was the great rock and roll swindle. The attitude of Link Wray, Patti Smith, A Band Called Death, The Stooges, Lou Read was punk but they never advertised or sold it as such. It's like the kicking a dust bin analogy. I played in heaps of bands for thirty years before I realised the punk idea was part of where I was situated, which I found funny. I don't think of myself as a punk. Punk to me is more like a state of mind you can be in or approach you take. The thing is, you could say to someone "You sound really garage" or "you sound kind of punk" or "you have an edgy sound" or 'your art is kInd of punk" and they wouldn't care, so that's kind fo of punk, but if they are thinking "that's what I was shooting for" then .... you get my point.. (and who cares anyway, fuck you all, and me too) (How was that, did that sound punk enough?)
Punk ironically became the older generation that they tried to piss off back in the 70s
Hmmmm? Isn't it that the older generation didn't ingest enough punk, which is why the 20teens looks a lot like the 70s? DIY = less distribution, thusly not enough converts. My $0.02 ... anybody got change for a nickel?
That reminds me of Grandpa Simpson telling Homer how he was with 'It' until they changed what 'It' was. It'll happen to you
Yes, punk and rock music and some rappers are going through that stage, learning how to be old and stay relevant. The rebellion was won, having long hair, being tattooed, listen to rock etc is now accepted socially. Today, the only rebellion is on politics.
Every generation will challenge the ones that came before them. And those in return will be upset about the youth and their new ways. It goes back to ancient Greece. There's quote by Socrates who expressed his contempt for the youth and their lack of manners.
@@pdempsey Now DIY doesn't have to mean much less distribution with streaming being so accessible. 👌
Although most don't achieve much attention it is certainly more than was possible in years past.
"Punks not dead it just goes to bed at a more reasonable hour"
Ian MacKaye
Minor Threat and Fugazi are two of the biggest gems ever given to music. I've listened to tons of his other projects, Paleface which was basically him singing for Ministry would be my fav. I hope Ian lives to be a 110. He deserves too.
@@DetroitFettyghost embrace is an og emo band too so thats cool, seeing than ian was in that many defining punk bands.
Pop Punk killed Punk
To be punk is to be unashamedly, and unapologetically yourself. That's it. Punk has transcended musical genre and lives on as a lifestyle and a mindset.
I think this is the most accurate description of punk. Punk doesn't equal political ideology, genre, fashion, it's exactly as this guy describes
I interpret it differently, but hey, think as you will mate ✊
By that same logic the groups who go around protesting woke culture demanding everyone accept them for their freak of nature selfs are also punk. Which they of course are not. There's definitely a real definition for the lifestyle, one part of it was giving zero fucks, something people who walk around blaring their political ideologies don't posses because they care very much about how the world perceives them. Another part of punk was it's very loud blatant stance of anti politicians and corporate over reach, again something new age groups don't posses because they walk around like personal lackys of old guys in suits preaching their campaign agendas. Punk also involved people, it was social and based on gathering, something that we don't experience or younger kids even have proper exposure to because of the age of smart phones. If you ask me punk largely died with the digital age and I also believe that when punk died so did the whole sub sector of youth culture that had been evolving since the Beatles where kids actually had their own thing going on that wasn't tied to adults and to me that's quite a sad turn of history.
@@TamaHawkLive yeah I've actually noticed that, me being a 17 year old punk born into a VERY low middle with a phone that is only used for music and trying to talk to more people outside my state while still going out and practically live a life I can say that what you said was completely correct, however I do kinda disagree about the "woke" thing you were talking about, but that's not important. What's important is that punk technically did die socially, like you said with phones, it made punk die. But let's keep in mind that it's not dead culturally, while yes it has fallen down dramatically, it's still there in the crack on the concrete of a sidewalk. I do go out and live in reality while simultaneously coming online to listen to music or virtually talk to you guys. To me punk is about being real in a literal sense, attitude,music, and having a General sense of being something that you want to be than rather following the next trend that other people do because they saw it on TikTok. So yeah, you are right about this completely
That was the idea,but ended up as fascist old rock with spikes and mohawks
Punk didn’t die. It evolved and spread like butter into all genres. Punk is no longer is a genre it’s an adjective. Respect.
word!
Thats what i said years ago!
Na lol it died
@@nectarinedreams7208 there is still a lot out there. Check hoopla out. Barker is doing some interesting colabs. Even mgk has found his niche.
@@robertosnow3841 fifteen was one of my favorite bands. Listen to tracks like Petroleum Distillation or The End and punk is in everything right now. It’s emo rap, it’s pop, it’s even Bella.
It was just anti establishment at first, then hey, feelings, then I don’t agree with the status quo, now kinda everything
I really appreciate someone finally distinguishing between Punk Music and the Punk Mindset. So thanks for that.
On the Turned Out A Punk podcast episode with Mike Watt from Minutemen, Mike didn't even say the word "punk". To him it was "the movement", where that meant anyone who was performing from their heart outside the scope of the mainstream entertainment industry, whether they were a rock and roll band or an avant garde performance artist.
Yes. The punk mindset is true punk. The punk music just comes with it.
Punk music is what matters hc, pp ect whatevers. Listening to top 40, dying your hair and hating your parents is alt cosplay. I literally would have no interest in the scene if it wasn't for the music itself. 3 chords and the truth 🤘
@@fueledbypaintwater yeah. not sure what punk evanesence and other have to do with eachother. to me that would be anti punk. lol
@@Heisenbinks lol and people calling themselves alt now. i´m the alt generation who grew up alt. this is so bizarre that they are coopting our names, styles etc how we grew up, creepy as fuck
definitely alt cosplay
Punk has resorted for many to just dye your green, wear black-eyeliner, be an anarchist, and dress like you came out of a 70's night club. I look on IG and the punks there are literally only branding themselves as such while they look like they pressed random on a character customization menu.
they can't even name a black flag song or a punk band as well
i´m weirded out by who calls themselves punk now it´s all like people who didn´t even grow up with it and styles one would call basic bitch or chav or emo crap or dad
what the fuck ha ha
Thats funny, some people in og punk bands, actually wouldnt even be considered punk by todays standards or punk standards back then. Milo from the descendents was straight up a nerd. Greg gaffin from bad religion, great punk band that had melody, conscious lyrics to an extent, and that hardcore edge/sound, is a fucking professor. Johnny rotten was just a smart ass. Bad brains was a bunch if jamaican dudes from DC. Idk, its weird seeing the difference between actual members of original punk bands and the punks of today
Punk is saying. I own myself. The fashion was just window dressing to that attitude and arbitrary to the culture of the time.
@@candideggplant1575 ok well early punk had a more from the streets element to it people liked greaser and white gangster culture in Detroit and new york
I don’t think punk is dead I just think it grew up and got a job 😂🤣
🤣🤣
Hahahahahahhhaaaha
"If you want to be one of the non-conformists all you have to do is dress just like us and listen to the same music we do."
I think that's largely an age thing. I think a lot of people are more like that when they're younger fans of a genre but as people's peer community ages, those traits tend to drop off.
@@ItsAsparageese You're absolutely right dude. I was just quoting South Park.
@@jeremynothing Hahahaha I should so have recognized that quote, too XD
We're non-conformists, and this is our uniform.
That's how they teach you to resist peer pressure, also.
Everyone hates punk and metal. Until a corporate company wants to rip off a cool logo.
Funny how all punks from my teenage years ended up in corporations in marketing department.
godsNgenerals weed
I remember a brief phase of metal/punk logos being used as "memes" where random non-metal artists got spiky or drippy stylizations and suddenly you'd be like "omg does Brand™ like Devourment?? Maybe they're cool" and it's like "no, silly, that's just genius marketing." Same with celebs/pop stars wearing punk aesthetics but more than likely, not being into it. It just made the gatekeepers mad and in a way, hurt the carefully crafted Image the fringe had been building. I mean, it was always corporate sponsored to a degree, with the Approved™ punk boots implicitly being Doc Martens, but it's gotten too obvious that it's an industry like any other, tied up in the capitalism it simultaneously rails against. Meh.
To me, the reason why Punk died is because Punk was a genre for generations of people who were living their teen years or early adulthood during the 80s and 90s, and we all grew up, that's it.
Yeah, I had a close friend l had known since I was 11. We grew up in the same town and went to the same college and co-hosted a punk show on the college radio station and went to shows together.He moved back to the same town after graduation. I got a job, bought a house and some land, got married, and had three kids. He's still in the same town in the house he grew up in living with his mother. We stopped meeting up after my first kid came along and he unfriended me on social media over a silly political squabble after 34 years of friendship. Like others here have touched on he Rages On Behalf of the Machine.
If it's more punk to still be in the same room you were in since junior high I don't want to be punk. I still have an interest in punk, because hey, I'm watching this TH-cam channel, but I listen to outlaw country these days
@@streetsofsouthphilly i think that it does not matter what is "more" punk, you can be a punk and wear corporate suit, it doesn't matter, well I don't mind good country now and then, but don't judge your friend because you can't know who is happier, you or him.
Dust In The Wind is actually a timeless classic.
with great lyrics
Fuck that shit! Pabst Blue Ribbon!
Yeah I was like wtf how’s that dumb
the irony of "punks" being less punk than non-punks is not lost on me...
Gate keeper syndrome
Most modern Punks are SJW and in a weird way pro left wing government, I man you are supposed to be anti government no matter the side.
@@Ms666slayer Yes it is obvious to me that SJW movement is devolved version of punk. Degeneration is real. They have become what they swore to destroy.
@@Ms666slayer I viewed punk less as antigovernment but anti mindless conformity which can in turn can be antigovernment. That it's more about individual thought and reasoning thats not afraid to express dissenting views.
@@Ms666slayer The best explanation I've ever heard of this stance was the guy on reddit who said that punks don't like the government, but it it's going to be around, it should at least be helping people by providing free healthcare, etc.
You may disagree with that (in various ways), but it makes sense.
"Punks not dead it just deserves to die when it becomes another stale cartoon" - Jello Biafra
Beat me to it.
Thats punk is still aground but the question is should it still be?
Chickenshit conformist is probably my favorite dk song rn
Jello Biafra IS a stale cartoon.
@@amberhiggins6327no it shouldn’t sadly
Subscribed... I try to explain punk music to people but I cannot get anywhere near as eloquent or succinct as you. Great job 👌
in one of the documentaries I watched about punk, they were interviewing punk artists from the late 70s scene, a few of them said that one thing that killed punk was the addiction of heroin and other drugs that the artists at that time were using. They said that once the artists got addicted to those, it killed the creativity and the motivation to keep going. And I kind of agree with these statements, drugs are capable of killing not only people, but entire music genres, like they did with punk rock in the late 70s
It was the exact same with the local punk scene in my town. When most punks became addicted the scene died. I think that has happened 5 to 10 times everywhere since punk started.
I think that what you said is more of the cause for sure. Then this new green day left wing garbage.
@@justingivens6783 Do you actually believe that left wing convictions entered the punk movement with Green Day?
@@justingivens6783what? 😂😂😂
Like that Dead Kennedys song said:
Punk's not dead
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon
A close-minded, self-centered social club
Ideas don't matter, it's who you know
If the music's gotten boring
It's because of the people
Who want everyone to sound the same
Who drive bright people out
Of our so-called scene
'Til all that's left Is just a meaningless fad
I LOOOOOOOVE DEAD KENNEDYS!!!!!!!!!!
What song is that? Sounds like a tone for the pogo punks right? Ha
@@goregore6259 the song is called chicken shit comformist
@@enmanuelsan thanks never heard of the song tbh
My dad was into dead kennedys, and when he heard me listening to it one time he was pretty shocked. Great band
“Stagnation is the kiss of death” oooof someone needs to tell the ska elitists this
Wait, that’s a thing? I always thought ska And pop-punk were the best genres at not taking themselves too seriously
The was a local band (from San Luis Obispo, CA) called Skaletor in the early 2000's that mixed ska and metal. Really cool concept that never really went anywhere beyond their Myspace/ Bandcamp page. No ska-metal scene ever emerged.
The vocalist was a metal vocalist with 1 rhythm guitarist, 1 bassist, 1 drummer, and 1-2 horns mostly playing lead. It was a cool mixture of ska and metal riffs/ breakdowns.
Ska can be interesting and fresh if done right. The ska scene in LA is not as big as it used to be, but it's still beloved by people everywhere. You got the big Latin-ska bands, the popular american ska bands, and the local ska punks and metalheads. Lots of diversity.
Ska punk? Or ska as in the genre as a whole? Because if it's the latter, I 100% agree. Each wave of ska was influenced by another genre. Jamaican ska was influenced by jazz and R&B, 2-tone was influenced by rock, reggae, and 70s punk, and ska punk was influenced by skate, pop, and hardcore punk. Shouldn't the fourth wave have a different sound now?
sonikku956 the genre as a whole. Regardless of wave. We had a boom of skacore in the mid 2000s, we had the ska pop punk ordeal in the early 2010s, and now there’s so many sounds of ska that are new and unique. I have a long hot take on how fourth wave ska will never happen but that’s a conversation for another thread lol
I think you've got it the wrong way around. Punk didn't die, it evolved into about 50 different genres because it was such an open creative platform. Both musically, but also in terms of a creative diy, anti overproduced attitude. The person who invented the first car didn't just invent that design, they produced the whole concept. In a way that's what I see Punk as
This was so well done. Thank you!
Punk: Generational angst that transforms per decade.
Someone had to say it
exactly nothing lived nothing died
@Anti-commie Spray This is why no one likes you.
@Anti-commie Spray No man it’s because it’s a Saturday and you should be enjoying your day instead of creating a useless argument on TH-cam.
I could care les about the selling out and so does everyone else.
I’m gonna watch Bruce Lee movies and play guitar. Have a nice day.
I came here for the the "punk is alive in emo rap" comparisons.
Every vid
Because is true. Yungblud is WAY more punk than current punk bands
I disagree. Emo rap is it's own thing, with similar elements. By the same logic, if emo rap is punk, than punk is folk music. All of them are disaffected people making their own music, but they're all their own things.
Frizzle Friar punk is not a genre, it is a way of thinking, it’s a lifestyle
@@dariohc6898] Haha! Yep, that dude is as hard as a kings Hawaiian bun.
Always thought of Sonic Youth as more noise rock but they were heavily inspired by the NY no wave scene.
Punk rock era will never be forgotten
Punk and hip hop are kind of like half-siblings with different moms. I am not taking any questions at this time.
True! I was into 77/uk82 style streetpunk and oi in highschool and then got into underground hip hop. 20 years later I am mostly into hip hop still and cant stand most of the old punk bands I used to listen to but the ones I do I still listen to them now and then
"Punk is just hip hop for white people" is a common joke.
Digable planets, crimpshrine and fifteen.
Sexy moms...
Hip hop was the Punk of its day , once adverts start using the underground music its over , the wave has passed , move n , but still enjoy the music.
Next:
What killed Grunge 🤘
They all killed themselves
Creed
Shotguns
It killed itself like kurt cobain
Courtney Love
So many great points here. I remember coming to the “conformist conclusion”, realizing that I was essentially wearing a uniform then slowly moving away from “dressing punk” as a result. In that, I think the main point to be made, that was just barely touched, is that punk is more of a mentality and an individualist lifestyle taught by a scene, rather than a single style or set type of music. In that vein, I definitely agree with the point about wannabe “edge-lords” like NOFX and anti-flag just aping mainstream political parties and news outlets, but pretending to be revolutionaries. There’s nothing “question authority” or “anti-establishment” about that, just blind hive-mindsets and mindless head nodding, all in agreement with the modern establishment; All of it predicted by Subhumans in the early 80’s: “the subverts became politicians, and finally got the upper hand, meanwhile back in subvert city, someone’s writing on the wall, ‘Fuck the Government’”. Except nobody is writing “Fuck the Government” these days, they just beg for more totalitarian systems and censorship then publicly condemn anyone who questions their very establishment beliefs... Which is not very punk, lol.
Once the uniform became standardised by late 70s i put my bondage trousers away and adopted a newer to us look , Rockabilly with quiffs and donkey jackets , another uniform , music and fashion are close bed fellows , even the beboppers sported berets , goatees , and zoot suits.
I came here to say just this... this comment is perfection.
@@vincewise855 i remember seeing mohawks as quaint in 1983
@@vincewise855 also what people call punk now is a fucking shit ass uniform too ha ha
what the fuck has that even got to do with punk anymore
People don't realize early punks were trying just not to be squares or conservative looking they went more for greaser and gang looks at the time with leather jackets leather shoes holes in clothes etc... it was mostly the British scene that made everything ridiculous Richard hell was edgy looking but pistols were like a boy band
Biggest thing that killed Punk was when it stopped being an artistic movement, and started becoming a cultural fad.
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian.
i think being yourself no matter what is super punk rock
That's it. Punk isn't having a mohawk and a leather jacket and playing three chords. Punk is literally just being yourself.
@@olliegoria it’s always been rejecting mainstream to be yourself. It just changed based on the mainstream( or should but it’s not.) seems like most punk rock bands are on the same stuff the media and democrats are and it’s like eeeehhhhh that’s not punk anymore. My opinion, but hey feel free to disagree.
Even someone like me who is a hardcore Trump supporter?
@@joesolo299 yes
@@joesolo299 Yeah ngl. Honestly I can’t see how anyone can devote themselves to just one party or at least one way of thinking. Trump is alright but he definitely had flaws that his supporters are too blind to see.
The DIY aspect is what stuck most with me from punk. I miss packaging demo tapes in my friend’s basement.
I perked up when i thought we were gonna get some casualties/ unseen streetpunk talk . Id love a video on that!
“ ...I didn’t sellout I bought in “ perfect
knew this comment was coming from someone XD
Sounds like the lyric from The Pride by FFDP
Couldn't have said it any better
I love that movie
One of the saddest stories in punk is Old Skull. Band of preteen boys, they released 2 albums in the late 80's/early 90's. They were gaining some decent success. Most of what happened after the 2nd album is hear say. The band broke up (possibly after a temp player tried to black mail brothers J.P. and Jamie). The brother's mother died, the boys and their father spend much following decade with no stable home and a lot of drug use. The father died of drug related health problems, causing the boys (now men) to clean of their lives. Unfortunately, J.P. experience health issues, believed to by caused by the drug use, and died. The following years, on what would have been J.P.'s birthday, Jamie ended his life.
Anyone who hasn't considered suicide a few times in their life have lived a happy, but sheltered life. And I am HAPPY for them...
dude! thanks for voicing what I've been thinking for so many years at 13:20, the monolithic politics in punk
It was also mostly rebelling to what was happening in the uk at the time with politics and royalty in the 70s/80s. This influenced all of the angst and rebellion in the uk punk lyrics. Great videos I love them ! 🎉
When you see a word “punk rock” and combined it with “what killed”, auto click.
In the 70s, Punk had potential. New Wave gave Punk a chemical castration in the 80s
I always felt punk was an attitude. Not a fashion. Thats why it fades in and out, Evoles with the current climate.
Right
same sentiment, somehow I never considered punk as genre, i define it as a 'don' t give a fuck' attitude.
I feel like someone can be Punk without ever having listened to a note of music. I.E. Diogenes.
It's really just about not conforming to what others want you to be. Ironically punk became what it was so against. I'm a new punk, but I think the mindset is the most important part about it.
Love this
I got into punk in the first years of the 80's, when I was 12-13 years old. I greatly loved The Ramones, The Clash, and the Dead Boys, and moved on to The Dead Kennedys, MDC, and the Exploited. I agree that the whole "you aren't a punk" mentality really helped kill the genre. It also didn't help how much attention it got from the media. Then there was the whole heroin thing, taking away some of the icons, like Sid and Topper. I still listen to old school Punk and Hardcore, and some of the other offshoots of the original genre. I can't get into rap, but I can see your point in drawing parallels between some rap artists and the punk ideal. Yes the punk attitude meant a lot more than the punk music scene, and as long as there are artists that just say "im going to donthis my way" punk lives on. Thanks for the video.
What killed Mongolian throat singing?
*10 minutes in* “and you can really see that play out with artists like Charli xcx and 100 gecs..”
You fucking nailed it
I really enjoy Finn but I want to learn about punk, metal, and rock, not rap or pop. I do listen to a lot of hip hop myself but I am here for good informative videos about punk, not "Punks and metalhead are all meany heads, pop music good get trolled" and its just annoying to me
I think he overrates a lot of those emo trappers
@@TheSlicktyler I agree with this, I find most of his vids unwatchable, but this one was pretty informative and even handed.
Mongolian throat singing...lol😄😄😄
Let's be honest - a lot of "punk rock" is Dad rock at this point
Everything becomes "dad rock" after some time.
no
Ever watch Portlandia? Yes 😂
That reminds me of a comment someone left on a Babes in Toyland video: "That's right kids......your parent's music was much crazier, abrasive, and harsher than yours!!
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Any genre of music becomes “DAD rock“ when the people who were in the scene as teenagers become old enough to have children.
Much love from me to The Damned!
Glad you used footage of em!
Rancid and The Dropkick Murphys got me through most of my hard times
I think this is the earliest I've been to any video ever...
Do you want to last longer?
Yeah I happened to randomly search punk
Right
Hilarious
Yeah, even i participated in how he ask the community how to defined "punk" in youtube and twitter
One thing I've learned from the people were around and part of the punk scene in the UK in the 70s is that, as much as the music was a rejection of all the bullshit, overproduced music at the time like you pointed out Finn, a lot of people didn't really care about that, or even know that's what the bands were doing, they just thought it was cool. Just my observation from conversations I've had.
Not even, sex pistols were started by a clothes shop & had management even before they played a gig 👍🏻👍🏻 it was a trendy trend that self imploded with identity politics
@@kylebible aye that statement you made is still pretty relevant today isn't it?
Punk started out pure, and got watered down. Happens to every good idea unfortunately.
Very true, they're scene kids.......or were anyway
I've noticed that too. Some (i dare to say many, if not most) people don't actually listen to the music they listen to.
Like, Black Sabbath on Twitter posted that they support BLM, and they released a shirt to support them, and people were like "W0w, nOw yoU'rE inVOlved iN PolitICs?!?? I'Ll neVeR lisSen tO SaBBaTh agAIn". Meanwhile "War Pigs" is playing in the background...
Well said! Like um a fan of lyrics that tell people to stand out from the crowds and be yourself that shit made me who I am and I think that in any genre of music is important like papa roach carry a great message like punk primarily between angels an insects.
Both aspects of punk, the music genre and the view of live-attitude are important and so influent.
I will forever be as skate punk guy.
Nofx, bad religion, pennywise....
They are forever
And i bet you were born some time between 1982 and 1988. It's nostalgia. We all experience it. The music we listen at 10-20 years of age, will forever be nostalgic music because that when your personal identity starts to form. It's simple logic really. I was born in 1990, so naturally growing up with Linkin Park, Evenscence, Trivium, Behemoth and Meshuggah, that's always gonna be my taste.
@@matttaylor1449 you'd lose the bet. 91
@@matttaylor1449 I didn't get into punk really until I was about 19, still totally my jam and Bad Religion is my all time favorite band on their own merit. Not all fondness for something is a simple matter of nostalgia silly, sometimes people just enjoy things
I've been listening to NOFX and Bad Religion for a looooong time, and I still love them, even their new stuff. But, that's not to say I don't love and appreciate The Ramones and The Clash (London Calling is one of the best rock records of all time).
@@matttaylor1449 Yeah try to tell that to my cousin who loves Queen but was born years after Freddie died...
"Punks not dead, it just deserves to die when it becomes another stale cartoon." -Biafra
I loved this! I grew up in the punk scene and my first band was a hardcore punk band. Today it still informs my life and a lot of who I am is rooted in the values I learned through punk. I think punk very much is still alive in a way, in that it’s part of what got us here. And the edge that is in a lot of great current music comes straight from punk. But yeah, you gotta take what you can from it and keep growing and changing. Being tied down to a set of rules is the least punk thing possible. If it’s not about growing and changing and new ideas then it ain’t punk! That’s how I look at it anyway. That said, if a great new punk record comes out I’ll still be just as psyched as ever!
you probably don't see it from the burbs, but punk is alive and well with great new punk bands coming out every day
Punk never died. It just evolved into other things.
That is true of every past significant genre
It’s for the better, because if not it would just end up becoming corny and boring
in the end
Yeah the people grew up and realized there are mortgages
so... it died xD
Punk was a conduit for like minded young people organizing under the guise of a music scene, I think now our culture is less music focused and more media focused but young people are still organizing and "fighting the system, man" just with like youtube and twitter and shit.
I’ve always viewed punk as a mindset. You don’t have to play three chords through a distorted amp to be punk. The DIY ethic is the core of it and has since gone on in almost every genre of music and it’s awesome to see.
Punk is basically being unappoligetically yourself and questioning things, not just randomly buying into something because people like it or its socially acceptable.
I was into the Hardcore scene more in the early to mid 90s than actual punk but in the area of NY I was in you weren't restricted to a specific look where you weren't welcomed. I mean I probably would be able to tell by looking at your kicks if you were into the scene. The hip hop scene also had a huge influence on the Hardcore scene. A lot of bands would show up in military fatigues, Sweat shirts, Puma Track suits, winter hats, Skate gear, Ski goggles (I ran into Lord Ezec from Crown of Thorns wearing ski goggles, and a down vest with shorts outside The Academy at a CIV show in the summer and he looked like a member of Wu-Tang) hockey Jerseys, Jansport backpacks and as fans you wore whatever you wanted to a show. It had nothing to do with how you looked although there were quite a few who dressed the same along with Punk and Metals kids who also went to the shows as well. It was more about your interest and like for a band and their music. How you looked was irrelevant.
Punk today is Deathgrips, Persona 5, A24 and footlong veggie patties at Subway.
yeah I'll take uhhhhhh footlong veggie patty
A24? Good one.
They’re pretty hipster af.
The fact that I literally got mad at my veggie patty subway sandwich for falling apart right before reading this lol
@@J.G.Wentworth69420 I won't shut the hell up. You shut the hell up. You Wentworth person who is not shutting up who should shut up. Now. Woooooooooo!
Persona 5.... No
Punk's not dead, and yet punk rock is.
I love what you said here. Someone had to.
The music. But not the attitude.
I'm a new punk, and I don't really listen to much of that music that he shared. I'm all about the attitude and I like the look of what people think punk is too. I want to do more DIYs, but I'm still living with my parents, who don't really want me doing that kind of stuff. I totally agree with the whole "society and conformity is messed up" idea that punk is all about.
The original "sound" , fast distorted guitars and rhythms not dead but "done" , when i heard the Pistols in 1977 the sound was "new" , like different to the pervading blues forms , disco , heavy rock etc...of course new lasts a time , then becomes "old hat" , natural progression really.
Punk as an ideology may have never gone away, but when it comes to the original genre of music, I imagine plenty of people eventually just moved on.
@@fueledbypaintwater well evanesence is not punk
and our styles were already hijacked by the mainstream decades ago
"I didn't sell out, son, I bought in" 😂😂😂 such a classic line from a classic movie. I love the Segway clips and quotes you spice up your videos with. Keeping it classy dude!
This vid was 3 years ago but i've been going to all punk shows in san diego since January and every show is packed, inexpensive, and fun af
I always loved punk because I thought the people in the scene weren't only rebels und non conformists but also really open minded. No one in my real life circle talked about stuff like rights of LGBT people, racism and all those issues and punk Bands did. So I thought wow those guys must be really open minded to different people and believe systems.
Well turned out that they were some off the most close minded people I ever met and I realised that I was becoming the same.
I judged people on the music they listened or what clothes they wore. And I saw the exact same problem that literally everyone was hating on every person that was trying to get their lives in order.
Some aspects of punk will remain with me forever but I'm also really glad that I dropped some aspects forever.
When I was in high school there were these 2 kids who thought they were the only ones allowed to be punk. And I used to call them the punk police Bc they would be like "why do you like hatebreed? They aren't punk." they thought you could only like misfits, the Ramones, and all the standard bands. That always turned me off.
RDF1nner Agreed. True punk is not giving a fuck about what you wear, or listen to. I’ve always felt it’s a mindset. I’m a commercial pilot, and underneath my stupid monkey suit, I’m punk as fuck! At least I think so, lol. Have a nice day buddy.
Oh I would be quizzed on band members names! True story.
@@madiCOB yeah I always thought that kinda stuff was so counter to everything punk stood for. Punk is about not confirming.. But in order to be punk you need to conform to exactly what we are like..
What nonsense, that's the difference between the gabber and punks we gabbers are extremer in everything who cares what is allowed you just dominate all on school 90% was gabber in the end .
Still gabbers , punks are friends forever .
hatebreed's ass but thats just because they're ass, not because theyre not punk
8:50 Every time I think of punk and the Seattle scene I think of that photo of members of Soundgarden and Pearl Jam that looks exactly like the cover of the TV Party EP.
👏🏼👏🏼 great video dude, I’m about the same age as you, and I totally understand and back you up in what you said🤟🏻😉
You got into punk at 89? How old were you? 2?
11
The Punk Rock MBA You look 30
@@Noirxheart what kind of punk rocker has never smoked crack? God damn posers..
No they said, they got into punk at 89. So they were 89.
@@djdemon51 You'll cowards dont even smoke crack.!
Who's worse: gatekeepers? or basement neckbeards? We need a chart.
Punks (punk), Hipsters (indie), & Neckbeards (metal) are all gatekeepers who stick to their scene and shun innovation/ evolution. They despise other genres and shun success. If you're not scene enough you're a poser or sell-out.
@@JasonTzzz wait, all Neckbeards are metal-heads?? Since when?
@@JasonTzzz "XYZ are all gatekeepers"
Did you just gatekeep being a legit one of any-of-those-things by implying nobody can be those things without gatekeeping? 😂
@@mega6836 I don't know what all Neckbeards listen to. But the ones I've known (long hair, messy beard, overweight) like metal (prog, black, power, death, thrash, symphonic, folk) and hate on Metalcore/ nu-metal/ other genres.
@@ItsAsparageese I guess I did actually did gatekeep. Lol
The less mainstream attention there is on punk rock the more it’s alive.. it’s aesthetic and sound wasn’t what made it totally revolutionary it was the DIY aspect by far
I always liked the idea that Punk is a state a mind, a philosophy, if you will. I think I remember, *dont quote me*, that a mid-90’s Portland band called Gadget Noise had a song called ‘You can’t buy punk in a store’. Sort of echoing that sentiment and as a direct F-you to the emerging Hot Topic poser scene at the time. Love the channel dude! Cheers.
Been wanting this explanation for a while. Have never gotten a satisfactory explanation for it.
Now if only you will chronicle the rise and fall of Melodic Death Metal.
He might do that, but if I remember correctly, i don't think he likes Melodic Death Metal.
@@InkAndPoet He doesn't like black metal either and he still made a video about it.
MeloDeath is the best
@@YumiVanherck he did say he regretted making that video. I think his dislike of the genre made him less informed on it
Nah i know lots about black metal - if i listen to LLN bands I am hardly a tourist
Punk's always kinda defined the arc of my music taste. The first music I ever really cared about was the skate punk and pop punk of the late 90s and early 2000s. From that, I got into classic punk of the 70s and early 80s, then a lot of anarcho-punk and post-punk, as well as no wave acts like Teenage Jesus and Theoretical Girls. For a long time, though, I didn't really listen to much punk; I was mostly interested in noise, ambient, and vaporwave, which I feel had the same DIY, antagonistic position as punk.
In the last month or so, your videos have really inspired me to delve back into the punk music I loved as a kid, while also having a better understanding of the cloud rap phenomenon that's going on now, so thanks for that.
...but still, you should lighten up on Sonic Youth and The Cure.
I loved 80s new wave and punk in high-school.
Punk will never be dead as long as there is something to argue against
I didn't sell out son, I bought in.
SLC PUNK! Love that movie
Underrated comment.
Finn "Not to get political or anything"
Next week's episode: "How did the Clintons ruin America?" The Alex Jones MBA
I’d watch it too.
By solidifying the neoliberal order, completing the work of Reagan, Bush, and Nixon.
Nothing more punk rock than having Filmora sponsor your video.
Love how this channel always reminds me of something I want to listen to or shows me some new shit that's worth looking into
Punk started as music but then it became more than that, and is now a culture. Just like Nu Metal and early 2000's emo after it, they become more about the fashion or way of life, with the sum bigger than its parts.
Grunge was definitely a "punk" phase, as it too was a backlash to the polished OTT poodle rock hair metal that proceeded it. Listen to Nirvanas Bleach and tell me its not punk!
Punk culture and fashions existed in the 70s before the music bud.
@@bombercountyblues
The music existed before the fashion, "Death" being one of the most notable proto-punk band.
Kurt Cobain was in a straight up punk band before nirvana, and re recorded some of those songs with nirvana, so having those songs in Nirvana's catalog adds punk to their genres by default
Word....
Grunge is a sub-genre of punk
Good point about stagnation being the death sentence for any creative movement
Finn, how well did this video age?
Smart editing that riot grrl acknowledgement in there.
Assuming the answer "Punks", but in for more info.
We're a very self-destructive group. But what's interesting, my favorite bands have been the ones putting punk on blast, such as Propagandhi. I always had an issue with punks telling me I wasn't punk because I didn't carry the aesthetic, and my answer was always "fuck you" to that.
@@tylerleeson3045 I dont listen to the music and I really only have the mindset of punk and sort of the look. I say I'm punk, because I dress how I like to dress and act how I want to act. To me that's punk, non conformity.
Absolutely adore the bridge nine shirt, Lemuria is one of my favorite groups
Love the SLC punk scenes
I don’t care what the “true punx” say. I’ll always be “punk” in my own way
And makes you more punk then they'll ever be.
Hella punk
True Punx be like "why's that dude wearing a business suit to the show" and it turns out that business guy moshes harder than anyone else because his frustration is real😤💯
You're like me. I dress and act how I want too and that is the heart of true punk.
Finn: Punk is no longer anti establishment
Purists in the comments: so you have chosen death
Purists™ are so cute. So brand loyal, they can't understand that they simp for an ideology to pass its vibe check, when they'll eventually either make their timely exit, or be spat out by a bigger Gatekeeper😹
Tbf you would expect Punk to be a more popular genre if it was no longer anti-establishment. I largely agree with Finn that punk became stale both musically and ideologically but it doesn't make much sense to seize upon the fact that its not popular and then simultaneously deride it for "selling out" or compromising with the establishment. Usually, but not always, things that are popular are *not* anti-establishment.
@@viscountrainbows6452 You used the word simp unironically...you have no place to speak on this
@@WhateverWhenever888 Ah shaddap ya queeah
@@WhateverWhenever888 You have no place on the internet. SCRAM!🙂🖖🏿
Back in that day, I was having a talk with my friend. We talked about punk. I told my friend that punk was about freedom. And then my friend said that if that so, so that could be meant that hippie was also punk because they were about freedom too. Then I felt confused. Like, yeah. It was also right. So now, all I can tell is just do whatever you want. As long as no one is bothered, why not ? The universe knows your cover but you are the only one that have written the full of the book. So just choose : keep them reading or make your own gala premiere. Wow. Luz Noceda really got me. And also, have a nice day, you all my dear !
"The universe knows your cover but you are the only one that have written the full of the book" I absolutely love that
Also, Owl House fan? Nice
The band Lagwagon has a song called “Know It All” that pretty well put all these ideas into a song. Really good song too
So many punks back in the 80s and 90s we need it back!!!
Sell out, with me tonight
Sell out, with me oh yeah
The record company's gonna give me lots of money and everything's gonna be
ALRIGHT
Doo Doo Dooooo Dootdodododoot do do doot doo doot doot doooooooo
(Insert more horns here)
I have no clue what song this is and have never heard it before but could not read the lyrics in anything other than a generic ska tune
@@gavinmccabe2176 rbf sell out
@@alejandroramirez4470 ion even know what that means lmaoooo
I'm glad you brought up Tyler, he's definitely one of the most punk rock artists out there that ain't even punk rock.. would love to see a video on how Odd Future got so big, how they impacted the mainstream and fashion trends (like Vans and Supreme) and also one of the rap groups that made underground/internet rap popular, Tyler's musical evolution, whatever you can probably think of but since emo rappers are worth talkin about in a video I believe Odd Future is too
" how they impacted the mainstream and fashion trends (like Vans and Supreme) "
uh odd future literally imitated my generation´s and demography´s styles
fuck off with that shit
@@ktiitfa2491 well I mean if you came from a skate scene pre 2010s, you still proving my point how they made it "cool" for the mainstream and now everyone wants to look like a skater but won't try out an ollie
I mean no disrespect but the skate fashion died down a bit after the early 2000s and Odd Future reintroduced skate fashion into mainstream but refurbished
Also, don't remember seeing Supreme anywhere popular in the 2000s
Man I really love how you bring all this together.
Punk Rock MBA definitely carrying quarantine
Punk never died, it just evolved.
And this isn't even its final form. I have a feeling this current young generation that's super steeped in electronic music will lead a cool musical and artistic resurgence where older more raw more analog sounds become hip again. It'd be so cool to see a new wave of slightly more aggressive and vehement straightforward punk rock just like how thrash metal is having a dope resurgence among small and medium bands
Emerald yes exactly, it’s what inspired me to stop trying to play guitar as well as I can, because my playing didn’t improve much for the last 5 years, but since I got a ton of synths and noise machines that help me make punk through experimental means and trying to make songs out of the emotion and negative energy that comes from isolation
Hey who was that one guy at the end of ur vid? He had green dreads and looked awesum!
When I was younger I used to go to punk shows dressed as a rapper and people would laugh and make fun of me at the shows.
But I thought I was more punk rock than they were. I hated that they all wore the same uniform and I wanted to defy against the punk scene for all looking the same. That’s what I always thought punk was. Pushing boundaries and being innovative not wearing a uniform.
Yeah, I don't believe you. If you think for yourself, you are a societal outcast, this is absolute. We see all people as equal. So, the people laughing at you were suburbanites coming to the Punk Scene to follow a fashion trend. If you are really punk you don't care what suburbanites think about you. The Punk Scene is a place where you are happy to be yourself.