Not acknowledging Horrorcore Proving my point that the biggest problem with scene is how fake people are. Stop misinformation and mislabeling people. Trap isn't Metal. it's more a sub genre of Horrorcore. Horrorcore was influenced by Rock/Metal about 30 years. It's similar to wave of Metalcore in the 2010s.
I like the ideas the New bands have: Make 3 Albums per reless One to stay Real True to genres (for the fanboys) one to Show you were trained (for the Music nerds) And * drum roll* One to get you laid (for the Ladies) Hot chicks man!
the gabber subgenres , punk or metal weird stuff i call our music hardcore gabber the power of my music is so much harder , punk is like 10 bpm the gabber start on 140 bmp goes to plus 2000 bpm , gabbers scene are so many scenes in the gabber scene from splittercore to terror to darkcore to uptempo , punks are relax people btw the gabbers are like punks in way , only we dont care of politics in the end metal is relax music , punk we do only everything in more extreme .
Djent and Prog Death checked. But no mention of Prog Metal? I guess that is Dream Theater and every other band that wants to sound like Dream Theater. Also, Alt Metal?
No man, the first punk band was real rock and roll in the 50' like The Phantom. Punk is just a revival of rock and roll's roots. I'm only partly serious. You get a lot of this kind of discussion in certain Youtibe comments.
Apocalyptic Folk/Neo-Folk/Martial Industrial and stuff like that. K officially offshoots from Industrial but some great bands/projects in those genres.
Finn: hates on melodic-death-metal for watering down death metal with melody Also finn: loves pop-punk, that massively waters down punk with melody and poppyness
Melo-death is for people like the 17-year old me, who really wanted to feel like part of the extreme metal crowd, but secretely loved pop songs and melodies
@@robwalsh9843 thats a point that many people that hate melodeath kind of want to ignore, that later death production for example isnt really that far from melodeath. I think the hate comes from mostly the name, since its not as "hard"
As an old guy in his mid forties you almost always remind me of a ton of bands I’ve forgotten about . Now I will be driving the wife and kid crazy over the next two weeks playing music way to loud that they have never imagined existed . Thanks Finn you are my hero .
No, the extreme ends of the note density scale are both effective male birth control. WAP contains the ideal note density and any variances from this optimal center decreases wetness.
@@chaos_incarnate5131 Type O Negative gets every girl absolutely drenched but even though Peter Steele died a decade ago you'd still have to claw them away from his corpse before you could start swimming in it.
Based on most of my favored subgenres, I am still a virgin. My kids are going to be happy when they learn of their immaculate conception at which point I assume they get deep into the early Tooth and Nail catalog.
@@doobiousd5020 I think these rules immediately fail as soon as you hit Continental Europe. If you're in the US or Canada, though, and arguably the UK, that's a different story. But this man persisted.
Ian Rowan clearly is a man of great patience and resilience. I'm just saying, maybe a lovely vacation could give him a whole new outlook on the matter :)
If you live in the US, New Zealand, Australia and the U.K, anywhere hip hop/rap has had major influence than you must listen(and go to clubs)or pretend to like that stuff if you want to get laid. Basically Whatever is popular is "normal" and you be deemed Normal if you fit in with the normies. Rock/metal is still cool in those coooold countires
You are right about Nu Metal being the Most Famous subgenre of Metal/rock. I live in a WEST-AFRICAN COUNTRY(Ghana). You would rarely hear any rock music anywhere. But Numb-Linkin Park was on the radio every day in 2004/2005. The Intro and Instrumentals was amazing, as such radio personalities loved it on their shows. That's when I started following Rock.
I’m pretty sure Nightwish helped me lose my virginity. I’m not sure how I made the leap from power metal to darkwave, but here I am. She Passed Away is just honey for my advent toting ears.
Yep, was really missing the whole stoner/doom/sludge metal corner, bands like Sleep, High On Fire, Electric Wizard, Melvins, Fu Manchu, Saint Vitus as some of the bigger names.
I don't care for melodeath either but I still disagreed with Finn because I don't think you have to "pick one" between heavy and melodic. Those bands are obviously still heavy and obviously still melodic.
Ikr, honestly, the epic atmosphere that melodeath bands like CoB or Be'Lakor create are what sets the genre apart from the others for me, as someone who doesn't really like the overly symphonic/generic operatic approach of power metal
It's considered a crossover between crust punk and thrashcore (no idea what it is btw, but as far as i get it's like when there is more hardcore punk than thrash). But actually almost all genres under the sun can be mixed together nowadays.
as other people said it's more the opposite. crust punks like doom who just threw down as hard as they could that eventually formed the entire genre with further inclusions of black/death metal influence. it's honestly why i love and relate to the grind scene than other metal scenes, cuz i'm a crustie myself lol
Finn, I've been watching your videos for a few hours now, and appreciate this one the most. I'm glad you took things back to the 70's/80's because this era was extremely important to the evolution of what kids are listening to today.
I'm so glad you acknowledged GnR epitomized the hair metal of that era. I was even happier to see you give a much deserved big ups to Nitro. That debut album is an underrated classic! One huge metal subgenre you left out, however, is visual kei.
Ahhhh, Lagwagon, Reel Big Fish, and Goldfinger were the soundtrack to my middle school years. Edit: Do not look at me like that Finn, it was a happy time and I have lots of fond memories of Tony Hawk Pro Skater on PS1.
@@sandollor Lagwagon is skate punk with metal influences like Strung Out so you might dig them. The quality of their output didn’t dip like Strung Out post-Jim Cherry too.
Great overview Finn👍 One ammendment I'd include to the list is 'industrial-metal' that featured the likes of later Ministry, Fear Factory, Rammstein, Godflesh, etc.
Not much of a power metal fan myself, but it definitely seems to have a considerable female fanbase in Europe. The footage I've seen of power metal festivals showed a lot of ladies in the crowds.
I'm actually really impressed with how fair you were to goth. over on this side a lot of us (not me, I came from punk and hardcore before I found Bauhaus) would not be as fair to the various punk scenes.
First Wave Emo = Rites of Spring / Embrace. Second Wave Emo = Sunny Day Real Estate / Mineral. Third Wave Emo = Get Up Kids / American Football /Knapsack / Promise Ring. Fourth wave Emo = Anything MySpace Kids thought was soft girl-core. Oh and all that other shit you mentioned.
I went to the Intervals - Between the Buried and Me - Chon tour and was impressed by the amount of women and younger 20 somethings there to see Chon. Zoomers of all genders are into the chill technical math rock.
Definitely. Metal as a whole is still male dominated but I see more women at festivals like Euroblast and TechFest UK than anywhere else. Actually, there are probably more of them (often very young) at Metalcore gigs but I don't really go to those.
The amount of times I’ve considered doing ftm drag under the name Funn McHunty is astronomical. Thanks for the inspo 💙🤘🏽 also, professionally speaking, you are goals af 🤓🤓🤓 keep up the great work!
My friends with better taste than me always laugh at me for it, but I love Guns N Roses (Appetite in particular) and I think there's a few reasons GNR escaped the hair metal tag: 1) Like you say, Appetite For Destruction absolutely rocks, and nobody wants to have to admit they like hair metal. So we all agree to pretend they're not or otherwise everyone has to admit they like a hair metal album, and that way we can continue to ignore the genre overall as the rest of those bands (Poison etc) are pretty easy to dismiss as a bit of a joke now. 2) They got SO big they became a stadium act so they could get lumped in with like, The Stones and Aerosmith as a 'classic rock' band instead. They also got pitched as 'the new Rolling Stones' when they were opening for the Stones in 89 which helped align them with that vein to lots of people. 3) The songs weren't all quite 'girls, girls, girls' in that party sort of way. Even the drug songs like Mr Brownstone etc were a bit darker lyrically and weren't just party songs, so it's easy to think of them as marginally more 'serious' than say Warrant, and people think of hair metal as inherently unserious (even though GNR are undeniably goofy in lots of ways) 4) And when they did write about girls, it wasn't usually about wanting to bang them or how hot they were, it usually was an excuse for Axl to live out his Elton John fantasies, or express that he wishes he was a dolphin (or whatever those videos were about)
Hair metal at certain criteria that made them, mainly the big hair and dressing like girls. Axl definitely had that look in the Welcome to the Jungle video but any other pictures or footage ive seen was them dressing like "rockers" (yea i know it sounds corny but im sure you get what im saying). Now im 32 so Appetite was released 4 years before i was born and i didnt hit my GnR phase til the 2000s, but i discovered them and tried to get into other hair bands. And GnR had a unique enough sound where i loved them but couldnt get into the others. So i can see why GnR isnt a hair band. Ive always heard Ac/dc was another weird band for the time because they were too punk for metal but too metal for punk Lets also not forget GnR also toured with Metallica. So yea i disagree on calling GnR hair metal.
Power Metal is FUN, Finn. I thought you wanted Metal to be more fun? To enjoy it you have to just accept it as it is, get into the spirit and let your inner geek rock out. It’s proof there is a lighter side and self awareness in Metal. Also if you think women want nothing to do with the genre then I’m guessing you’ve never been to a Nightwish show...
@@masoncrowley2777 It's a genre for Larpers, fantasy nerds and armchair historians interested solely in military history, it's concerned with being epic and mythical which I personally dislike, bands like Sabaton that treat war like a glorious ordeal rather than a grimey, sad and disgusting one comes off as childish to me, treating death in war as honor and glory rather than a tragedy comes off as being out of tune with reality and living in a romanticized version of it, it's for the type of people who have never experienced grief themselves, furthermore epic and mythical just don't pair nicely with metal, rock maybe, but power metal actively makes metal lighter and more uplifting, but metal literally is rock music going in a more heavy and moody direction.
@@explodingpotato6448 I never really liked power metal bands like Sabaton, partially because of the glorification of war but I love stuff like Gloryhammer and Alestorm that are just pure ridiculous fun. I like being able to listen to metal without having to think about really depressing stuff while doing it.
When they first started, a lot of their songs were very very poppy sounding... 60's pop tunes/surf pop played at fast tempos, high-gain, and power chords
I just came here to say, Cynic was one of the first bands my now husband showed me when we stated dating 11 years ago and we still listen to them regularly. Progressive metal is where it's at. It helped that I went through a big prog-rock phase at 19 though 😂
That argument about genre happened in the comment section on a Top 10 I made called Top 10 Screamo Bands...or something like that. The bands wern't my top 10 or Screamo. They were just bands I could find with high quality band photos's in the same resolution so the video looked crisp. I didn't think this would piss people off as much as it did. It's the only video I've made that got any views, kinda stopped me putting any effort into my video quality. I haven't checked in years but I think I made the mistake on replying to people. Think I'll check now...it's been a while. Love your channel btw dude, and you, I think your're a breath a fresh air and also love the respect you get from my favorite band artists. Your finger point when you say ^this^ is the punk rock mba...is my favorite thing on TH-cam.
If you mentioned grindcore you should have maybe explained crust punk better. By the time grindcore appeared (actually mid 80s) crust punk was making something similar and went further with the grindcore influence, so crust is a form of extreme hardcore. And a beautiful dirty one.
This video reminds me of the scene in airheads where they are asked to describe their sound "lt's more like a power slop. But we don't limit ourselves to labels.There's always someone who wants to lump you together with the other buttholes."
Around 16:51 I got an ad, and it went like this. "And at this point things couldn't really get anymore really brutal so the natural step was... to watch yoga videos ad-free"
I'm a huge Chelsea grin fan (og Chelsea grin) and have been for a very long time. I was patiently waiting for the deathcore breakdown and was pleasantly surprised to see that they got to wrap up the video. Good shit man! Love your videos.
Finn: Drops a nuclear truth bomb on Indie that would make any a heavily bearded man in a fedora cry into his plaid shirt. Next sentence: "So I want to recognize and respect that." 😆 Ice cold.
Yeah, very inspiring video !!! Will have to watch it twice or more times to write down all the bands I have to check out. After UB40, Peter Tosh, and B.Marley, we got into metal, me being like 11 or so in 84, and we switched over from BMX to SK8. So I have seen the evolution from hard rock to like what happend till 96. And after that I don't know who is the blame, but kept listening to all the cd's I had. Saw my nephew with shirts from Korn, Slipknot, Linkin Park, and Limb Bizkit, but some how thought, those must be these softy indie bands. Had no clue what emo is, djent, even nu-metal. Back in the day it was rock-hardrock-heavymetal-trashmetal-deathmetal-punk-hardcore, ska-reggea. I need re-schooling.... Thanks Finn !!!
And then there's Tech Death, where people thought "Wouldn't it be great to graduate from music college as absolute masters of our instruments and THEN play as fast as humanly possible?" Yes. Yes, it is. Queue Allegaeon, Archspire and Obscura
Thank you for giving me a good introduction to Crust Punk and a reintroduction Industrial, Emo and Nu Metal! I’m forming a band called “Vulpimancer” and I gotta appreciate your fun mockings LMFAO
Subgenres, to me, is just a fun project. Not about being "legit" or being pigeonholed into something, but just hearing the band's unique sound and figuring it out, like a game. Yeah, some subgenres have their sub cultures, like black metal, but to me, it's fun.
Just curious where you would slot Social Distortion? They were part of the popular socal punk scene of the early and mid eighties , also kinda went mainstream in the 90’s. Never making hugely popular radio wise but now I hear them quite a bit on the radio in socal.
There are far too many subgenres of Rock and Metal. I like putting bands In to subgenres because it gives us a better way to explain certain bands, but all these tiny subgenres is a bit ridiculous.
For thrash metal, I have to give it up for Testament. Back in the early 90s when a lot of metal bands were slowing it down and mellowing out, they amped it up with Low. If you like thrash and death, this album is a must-have.
I think he is WAY underselling blink…they were literally the biggest band when I was in middle school, like the biggest band in general…they influenced uncountable fashions and bands and Tom is a god tier song writer
ST first album - Greatest Hard-core Punk album of all time. ST 2nd album - Greatrest Crossover album of all time. ST 3rd album - Greatest Thrash Metal album of all time.
Offspring is not pop punk, but pop melodic hardcore (or "skate punk" as you like to call it). They have many songs with doubled drums unlikely Green Day.
So I know I'm late to this video but I thought you would enjoy the story. I have never been a big advocate of the punk scene but I do respect it's contributions to music. That being said I had never heard of days n days before a friend of mine hired them to play their party. She paid the band $75 and a case of beer and they drove to Dallas to play her house party. It was actually a fun show but you are 100% correct about the smell.
Death Metal: aka Cookie Monster Metal... because the singers always sounded like Cookie Monster. It'd be awesome if a Death Metal band covered C is for Cookie.
@@ConvincingPeople Dimmu Borgir used to troll TSA by going through security in their full armored and nail covered regalia as a joke. 1349 has been banned from certain venues here in the US because they openly said blasphemous stuff outside the venue and would scream shit at pedestrians and cars for the lulz. The one dude, Gaahl, literally said "Satan" as his biggest musical inspiration in an interview with Sam Dunn, and just chugged wine afterwards to hide his urge to laugh while already drunk off his ass because he thought it would be fucking funny. Yeah, pretty sure Black Metal is just a bunch of edgelord trolls from rural bum-fuck-nowhere places out for a laugh and a good time.
Then we'd have to talk funeral doom, sludge and drone, which are less chastity belts than… whatever depressive black metal is. Things I like because I'm a sewer mutant, in other words.
@@ConvincingPeople Imagine talking to a girl you like and telling her you're a musician, then when she asks what kind of music you play you have to look her in the eyes, and with a straight face say "I play guitar in a Funeral Doom band"
Music community especially when it comes to Rick is super toxic like fr we all have our own opinion I think he's more into Rap he likes alot of rock tho
Damn Straight my friend ! am 49 yrs old & live in Tennessee in the U.S. Arise is & will be one of my favorite all time Metal Albums!! Can't forget about Roots & I was also a Soulfly fan back in the Day!!
I’m French but have lived almost my entire life in America, my dad is an absolute SUPERFAN of Sepultura, so I grew up with it. I’ve probably heard bloody roots a thousand times 😅
I'm into classical. My siblings can get laid and have the kids, I'll remain happily single and buy all the annoying Toys For Tots with no fear of retribution.
literally the instant you said "folk punk" an ad popped up with a woman saying "Im thinking about adopting a dog" I cant make this shit up... laughed so hard i scared both my cats awake
Lmao seriously. Acts like it's a real thing when in reality all modern "indie" that isn't garbage corporate rock he talks about (ie, definitionally NOT independent rock) originates in post-punk/new wave and those "college rock" bands he mentions, as well as the no-wave movement. Pretty dumb how he mentioned math rock and several other "indie" subgenres under rock and then still acts like "indie" is anything real other than a marketing aesthetic. "Indie" is just a name given to all forms of alternative rock that have a "softer/nerdier" aesthetic. That's it. It really stuck in the 90s because all those 'midwest emo' bands and their influences hated being called "college rock" so they made a concerted effort to brand themselves with the "indie rock" label. It's all just different kinds of alternative rock. That's why some "midwest" "emo" bands sound like Nirvana, meanwhile others sound like Pavement. All of them are indebted to Hüsker Dü and Sonic Youth. Genre names are so ephemeral that applying them outside a certain scene and context during a certain time period creates disasters, which is why it's always so confusing.
@@kage6613 While I agree with a lot of this in principle, I think his video on why he's not crazy about "indie" stuff clears things up a little more than you're giving him credit for, and he's copped to the fact that what he's referring to is specifically the current which kind of rode the coattails of the Olympia twee scene (especially Beat Happening) and the British C86 bands but lacked the sort of punk defiance implicit in those bands' explicit rejection of rock'n'roll machismo. And I get that. The original twee, post-punk and "college rock" acts were actually *way* ballsier in their vulnerability than a lot of hardcore and metal bands, and that's worth respecting, but it does feel like a lot of modern bands playing in that same tradition aren't really pushing the envelope in that way.
@@ConvincingPeople if you go to that video you'll see all my comments disagreeing, there are plenty of modern indie rock bands in the punk and hardcore scene doing cool stuff within the modern landscape. Mainstream garbage will always be mainstream garbage, it's the same with any genre.
@@kage6613 @ConvincingPeople That's what I was thinking. The Indie term is just over- and missused. In my opinion, as a huge fan of many varieties of Punk music, Indie is next to the US thing that you mentioned the evolution of the 80s GB Post-Punk-Sound of bands like Joy Division, The Stranglers or The Smiths in bands like (early) Arctic Monkeys, The Libertines or Franz Ferdinand, which still have some sort of that Post-Punk vibe I would say (along with the aesthetics).
Not really sure he did have to mention it, especially since the strawman version of indie that are soundtracking car commercials isn’t part of the punk or metal scenes.
Believe in a previous video he said he couldn't find a reason to talk about Doom, as it's "a genre solely dedicated to sounding like Black Sabbath", so there's only so much to say about it. (Finn, I love you, but you're wrong here). As for Sludge, idk probably can't talk about that without talking about Doom.
@@chachorolas923 That's a good point... Rock is bigger than ever numbers wise - since it's more global than ever - just not radio wise.... and doom is doing some good stuff over the past 20 years
@Ivory_ Lagiacrus_YT everyone forgets MC5 but in terms of chronology, MC5 recorded the album in October 1968 but released about a year later sometime after The Stooges first album.
@@Awesomebaconman123 They were contemporaries right? Is being particular about recording dates even a good way to describe who was "first" to do anything in this era? They must have been influencing each other well before either got a chance to record.
The Stooges never strike me as a straight punk band. Musically, I think the Ramones were the first. Culturally, the DKs laid the groundwork for punk in a way that, as far as I know, none of the other early bands did.
I like Mellodeath. It can be brutally heavy and preceded all those "core" bands. They can go from super melodic like Insomnium to brutal and technical like Mors Princibum Est to barely melodic like Kalmah. It's basically death metal with good solos.
Yeah, considering how many different sub genres of post hardcore there are, and how prevalent it is I’m actually genuinely surprised it wasn’t mentioned.
@@rpglover101 Hey dude can you tell me a little bit about post hardcore and the sub genres, because i'm new into this genre and i just discover sleeping with sirens and pierce the veil lol😂
@Yung Mallet post-hardcore has started to become the dumping ground where you throw in anything that's heavy and punk-influenced, but doesn't fit anywhere else. Fugazi, mewithoutYou, Sleeping With Sirens, and Refuzed are all "post-hardcore," but none of those bands sound anything alike.
@@mynameislove1704 if you are wanting the post-hardcore that comes from the late 00s to like 2015 that is scene culture then I wouldn’t listen to what they’re saying. That started with bands like Attack Attack and had its own wave of stuff. Like the really high vocals like PTV and SWS comes from the OGs like Dance Gavin Dance and Chiodos. But some other parts dive into hair metal like Escape the Fate and Black Veil Brides. Others got heavier like Bring me the Horizon and some went poppy like A Day to Remember. I’m not sure if these all have like real sub genre names but it’s interesting that most put these in that scene post hardcore genre but it sounds so different from each other.
"Your uncle who still wears Airwalks, Dickies shorts, and Black Fly sunglasses listens to in his truck." Goddamn, Finn. Why ya gotta call me out like this.
19:34 I'm coining a new term for this type of metal as "Power Ranger Metal". I think it fits perfectly. Basically the fast, progressive power metal sound with super dramatic avant garde opera vocals and keyboards and organs with that coral sound and falsetto back up vocals with vocoders.
I love how Sublime is the biggest ska band but nobody ever brings them up when talking about ska because they were too good for us to associate them with such a hated genre.
Sublime wasn't Ska. They were a blend of punk, hip hop, and reggae (which came from ska) Even if they were a ske band they certainly weren't "the biggest" No Doubt, the Mighty Mighty Bosstones and others were way more successful within the genre.
"you can smell this video" and "the people who weren't dysfunctional enough to listen to black flag" are the truest statements this channel has ever made
@@soully98 dysfunction isn't always about heavy. The punks who wallow in addiction and mental illness tend to have an over intense love of Black Flag. I speak as someone who's been there. It gets more extreme in and around Long Beach, CA
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Not acknowledging Horrorcore Proving my point that the biggest problem with scene is how fake people are. Stop misinformation and mislabeling people. Trap isn't Metal. it's more a sub genre of Horrorcore. Horrorcore was influenced by Rock/Metal about 30 years. It's similar to wave of Metalcore in the 2010s.
I like the ideas the New bands have: Make 3 Albums per reless
One to stay Real True to genres (for the fanboys)
one to Show you were trained (for the Music nerds) And * drum roll*
One to get you laid (for the Ladies) Hot chicks man!
It says "Unable to accept invite"
Greetings ! Have you checked the band Ho99o9 ?
the gabber subgenres , punk or metal weird stuff i call our music hardcore gabber the power of my music is so much harder , punk is like 10 bpm the gabber start on 140 bmp goes to plus 2000 bpm , gabbers scene are so many scenes in the gabber scene from splittercore to terror to darkcore to uptempo , punks are relax people btw the gabbers are like punks in way , only we dont care of politics in the end metal is relax music , punk we do only everything in more extreme .
Use this as a “Wow im shocked there was no mention of *insert sub-genre here*” button
I just noticed this comment right after I complained that he didn't mention New Wave.
Djent and Prog Death checked. But no mention of Prog Metal? I guess that is Dream Theater and every other band that wants to sound like Dream Theater. Also, Alt Metal?
just knowing Finn's roots, I'm really surprised that there was no mention of powerviolence
No man, the first punk band was real rock and roll in the 50' like The Phantom. Punk is just a revival of rock and roll's roots.
I'm only partly serious. You get a lot of this kind of discussion in certain Youtibe comments.
Apocalyptic Folk/Neo-Folk/Martial Industrial and stuff like that. K officially offshoots from Industrial but some great bands/projects in those genres.
Finn: hates on melodic-death-metal for watering down death metal with melody
Also finn: loves pop-punk, that massively waters down punk with melody and poppyness
Melo-death is for people like the 17-year old me, who really wanted to feel like part of the extreme metal crowd, but secretely loved pop songs and melodies
@@Posiman well, not at all listen to Insomnium or In Mourning.
Melody has too much presence in metal to be ignored. Even scary death metal bands like Death or Entombed understood melody.
Watering down something heavy is one thing, but what exactly would you be watering down with pop-punk, punkiness?
@@robwalsh9843 thats a point that many people that hate melodeath kind of want to ignore, that later death production for example isnt really that far from melodeath. I think the hate comes from mostly the name, since its not as "hard"
As an old guy in his mid forties you almost always remind me of a ton of bands I’ve forgotten about . Now I will be driving the wife and kid crazy over the next two weeks playing music way to loud that they have never imagined existed . Thanks Finn you are my hero .
Mid 40s is old, really? I'm 54 so what does that make me? Almost dead?
@@sacheverelleyes
“Metal isn’t a scene it’s a goddamn arms race” - Punk Rock MBA
Huh, so that's why people hate it lol
"But does it *slam,* gentlemen?"
Nah that's emo. Fall Out Boy specifically lol
@@colbydufrene1876 "That's the joke."
Yea, kinda
It's fun tho
"Is it heavy or is it melodic???"
Killswitch: y e s
As an avid power metal fan, i am also a huge fantasy nerd, so you're not exactly wrong.
Wait... if the more notes a genre has, the more it functions as male birth control....
Does this mean funeral doom will make me a chick magnet?
No, the extreme ends of the note density scale are both effective male birth control. WAP contains the ideal note density and any variances from this optimal center decreases wetness.
Got it. So Type O Negative then?
@@chaos_incarnate5131 Type O Negative gets every girl absolutely drenched but even though Peter Steele died a decade ago you'd still have to claw them away from his corpse before you could start swimming in it.
You know this is a joke, right?
Also, for the record, I can play.
Based on most of my favored subgenres, I am still a virgin. My kids are going to be happy when they learn of their immaculate conception at which point I assume they get deep into the early Tooth and Nail catalog.
You should see the girls at power metal shows in Germany. It's like a much bigger goth event in 1995 but *with metal* and legal "underage" drinking.
@@doobiousd5020 I think these rules immediately fail as soon as you hit Continental Europe. If you're in the US or Canada, though, and arguably the UK, that's a different story. But this man persisted.
Ian Rowan clearly is a man of great patience and resilience. I'm just saying, maybe a lovely vacation could give him a whole new outlook on the matter :)
Tooth and Nail had some of the best music back then...if you know you know
If you live in the US, New Zealand, Australia and the U.K, anywhere hip hop/rap has had major influence than you must listen(and go to clubs)or pretend to like that stuff if you want to get laid.
Basically Whatever is popular is "normal" and you be deemed Normal if you fit in with the normies.
Rock/metal is still cool in those coooold countires
College Rock comes from the fact that those artists got played on campus/college radio and was how they got exposure.
Campuscore
Bascially all that us indie.
@@kidneystonermusic College with breakdowns*
@@Hosenanzugtasche i think they call those "mental health days" now
You are right about Nu Metal being the Most Famous subgenre of Metal/rock.
I live in a WEST-AFRICAN COUNTRY(Ghana). You would rarely hear any rock music anywhere. But Numb-Linkin Park was on the radio every day in 2004/2005. The Intro and Instrumentals was amazing, as such radio personalities loved it on their shows.
That's when I started following Rock.
I’m pretty sure Nightwish helped me lose my virginity. I’m not sure how I made the leap from power metal to darkwave, but here I am. She Passed Away is just honey for my advent toting ears.
Yep, was really missing the whole stoner/doom/sludge metal corner, bands like Sleep, High On Fire, Electric Wizard, Melvins, Fu Manchu, Saint Vitus as some of the bigger names.
17:22 I wouldn't say melodic death metal is watered down or oxymornic, I would say it's catchy while maintaining a great deal of heaviness.
Death was melodic death metal... Death.... DEATH
I don't care for melodeath either but I still disagreed with Finn because I don't think you have to "pick one" between heavy and melodic. Those bands are obviously still heavy and obviously still melodic.
My favourite metal genre I would say :) Lots of variety in melodeath
Ikr, honestly, the epic atmosphere that melodeath bands like CoB or Be'Lakor create are what sets the genre apart from the others for me, as someone who doesn't really like the overly symphonic/generic operatic approach of power metal
@@ptr_does_music7042 Be'lakor is amazing \m/ Children of Bodom too of course. RIP Alexi
As a grindcore musician, I always viewed my genre as death metal/black metal with a strong DIY punk type of energy.
Nah I view Grindcore as mostly death metal but with power chords everywhere and blastbeats
It's the other way around. It originally was people with a punk background going extreme death metal.
It's considered a crossover between crust punk and thrashcore (no idea what it is btw, but as far as i get it's like when there is more hardcore punk than thrash). But actually almost all genres under the sun can be mixed together nowadays.
@@pldgallgnce Fair point 🤔 there really at this point is no guidline for grindcore other than just be punk and be noisy.
as other people said it's more the opposite. crust punks like doom who just threw down as hard as they could that eventually formed the entire genre with further inclusions of black/death metal influence. it's honestly why i love and relate to the grind scene than other metal scenes, cuz i'm a crustie myself lol
Finn, I've been watching your videos for a few hours now, and appreciate this one the most. I'm glad you took things back to the 70's/80's because this era was extremely important to the evolution of what kids are listening to today.
I'm so glad you acknowledged GnR epitomized the hair metal of that era. I was even happier to see you give a much deserved big ups to Nitro. That debut album is an underrated classic! One huge metal subgenre you left out, however, is visual kei.
To sum this up into a thesis statement: It's all pretty ridiculous but also kinda fun.
Ahhhh, Lagwagon, Reel Big Fish, and Goldfinger were the soundtrack to my middle school years. Edit: Do not look at me like that Finn, it was a happy time and I have lots of fond memories of Tony Hawk Pro Skater on PS1.
Early Goldfinger yes. What about VGS? Never got into Lagwagon, but loved NoFX and Strung Out. Ask Finn about the bands AKE and Formula One.
@@sandollor Lagwagon is skate punk with metal influences like Strung Out so you might dig them. The quality of their output didn’t dip like Strung Out post-Jim Cherry too.
Holy shit. Lagwagon.
You're not supposed to listen to power metal with a straight face. You're supposed to smile stupid wide and raise your fist and yell "HELL YEAH!"
Great overview Finn👍 One ammendment I'd include to the list is 'industrial-metal' that featured the likes of later Ministry, Fear Factory, Rammstein, Godflesh, etc.
16 Volt !!!
Not much of a power metal fan myself, but it definitely seems to have a considerable female fanbase in Europe. The footage I've seen of power metal festivals showed a lot of ladies in the crowds.
I'm actually really impressed with how fair you were to goth. over on this side a lot of us (not me, I came from punk and hardcore before I found Bauhaus) would not be as fair to the various punk scenes.
Was weird how to me how he had it totally separate from post punk lol
I was kind of expecting him to lump goth into indie. Maybe post-punk too even though it has punk in the name.
First Wave Emo = Rites of Spring / Embrace. Second Wave Emo = Sunny Day Real Estate / Mineral. Third Wave Emo = Get Up Kids / American Football /Knapsack / Promise Ring. Fourth wave Emo = Anything MySpace Kids thought was soft girl-core. Oh and all that other shit you mentioned.
I went to the Intervals - Between the Buried and Me - Chon tour and was impressed by the amount of women and younger 20 somethings there to see Chon. Zoomers of all genders are into the chill technical math rock.
Definitely. Metal as a whole is still male dominated but I see more women at festivals like Euroblast and TechFest UK than anywhere else.
Actually, there are probably more of them (often very young) at Metalcore gigs but I don't really go to those.
The amount of times I’ve considered doing ftm drag under the name Funn McHunty is astronomical. Thanks for the inspo 💙🤘🏽 also, professionally speaking, you are goals af 🤓🤓🤓 keep up the great work!
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My friends with better taste than me always laugh at me for it, but I love Guns N Roses (Appetite in particular) and I think there's a few reasons GNR escaped the hair metal tag:
1) Like you say, Appetite For Destruction absolutely rocks, and nobody wants to have to admit they like hair metal. So we all agree to pretend they're not or otherwise everyone has to admit they like a hair metal album, and that way we can continue to ignore the genre overall as the rest of those bands (Poison etc) are pretty easy to dismiss as a bit of a joke now.
2) They got SO big they became a stadium act so they could get lumped in with like, The Stones and Aerosmith as a 'classic rock' band instead. They also got pitched as 'the new Rolling Stones' when they were opening for the Stones in 89 which helped align them with that vein to lots of people.
3) The songs weren't all quite 'girls, girls, girls' in that party sort of way. Even the drug songs like Mr Brownstone etc were a bit darker lyrically and weren't just party songs, so it's easy to think of them as marginally more 'serious' than say Warrant, and people think of hair metal as inherently unserious (even though GNR are undeniably goofy in lots of ways)
4) And when they did write about girls, it wasn't usually about wanting to bang them or how hot they were, it usually was an excuse for Axl to live out his Elton John fantasies, or express that he wishes he was a dolphin (or whatever those videos were about)
They suck.
Appetite For Destruction is a straight up heavy metal album. No questions.
Hair metal at certain criteria that made them, mainly the big hair and dressing like girls. Axl definitely had that look in the Welcome to the Jungle video but any other pictures or footage ive seen was them dressing like "rockers" (yea i know it sounds corny but im sure you get what im saying). Now im 32 so Appetite was released 4 years before i was born and i didnt hit my GnR phase til the 2000s, but i discovered them and tried to get into other hair bands. And GnR had a unique enough sound where i loved them but couldnt get into the others. So i can see why GnR isnt a hair band. Ive always heard Ac/dc was another weird band for the time because they were too punk for metal but too metal for punk Lets also not forget GnR also toured with Metallica. So yea i disagree on calling GnR hair metal.
Diet punk is such an accurate term for alt rock music
"Punk light" is what I remember along it back in the day when like Thrice and Thursday got big
Power Metal is FUN, Finn. I thought you wanted Metal to be more fun?
To enjoy it you have to just accept it as it is, get into the spirit and let your inner geek rock out. It’s proof there is a lighter side and self awareness in Metal.
Also if you think women want nothing to do with the genre then I’m guessing you’ve never been to a Nightwish show...
He obviously knows that Power Metal fans can obtain a female, he's just making a joke about it being corny and nerdy.
@@masoncrowley2777 It's a genre for Larpers, fantasy nerds and armchair historians interested solely in military history, it's concerned with being epic and mythical which I personally dislike, bands like Sabaton that treat war like a glorious ordeal rather than a grimey, sad and disgusting one comes off as childish to me, treating death in war as honor and glory rather than a tragedy comes off as being out of tune with reality and living in a romanticized version of it, it's for the type of people who have never experienced grief themselves, furthermore epic and mythical just don't pair nicely with metal, rock maybe, but power metal actively makes metal lighter and more uplifting, but metal literally is rock music going in a more heavy and moody direction.
@@explodingpotato6448 I never really liked power metal bands like Sabaton, partially because of the glorification of war but I love stuff like Gloryhammer and Alestorm that are just pure ridiculous fun. I like being able to listen to metal without having to think about really depressing stuff while doing it.
Lol, there’s no “self-awareness” in Power Metal. 90% of these guys rly think they are cool and that they are rocking it out, lmao
@@masoncrowley2777 Just the fact that you say “obtain a female” already tells us about how many girls actually come near u
"The more notes-per-song, the safer your virginity will be." 😂
He called The Ramones "pop-punk." Someone hold my beer, I'm gonna be sick ;p
they're garbage-punk actually
When they first started, a lot of their songs were very very poppy sounding... 60's pop tunes/surf pop played at fast tempos, high-gain, and power chords
@@MedalionDS9 Yeah, Rock'n'Roll High School always sounded like a Beach Boys song to me. That's a good thing though.
They literally are tho 😂 brain drain is prolly their biggest step away from pop punk
I thought I was done throwing up, but then I read the replies to this comment.
I just came here to say, Cynic was one of the first bands my now husband showed me when we stated dating 11 years ago and we still listen to them regularly. Progressive metal is where it's at. It helped that I went through a big prog-rock phase at 19 though 😂
That argument about genre happened in the comment section on a Top 10 I made called Top 10 Screamo Bands...or something like that. The bands wern't my top 10 or Screamo. They were just bands I could find with high quality band photos's in the same resolution so the video looked crisp. I didn't think this would piss people off as much as it did. It's the only video I've made that got any views, kinda stopped me putting any effort into my video quality. I haven't checked in years but I think I made the mistake on replying to people. Think I'll check now...it's been a while.
Love your channel btw dude, and you, I think your're a breath a fresh air and also love the respect you get from my favorite band artists. Your finger point when you say ^this^ is the punk rock mba...is my favorite thing on TH-cam.
my favourite is metalstep, it like heavy but not so much and it's very unique I like artist like Sullivan King and PhaseOne
If you mentioned grindcore you should have maybe explained crust punk better. By the time grindcore appeared (actually mid 80s) crust punk was making something similar and went further with the grindcore influence, so crust is a form of extreme hardcore. And a beautiful dirty one.
I think The Scorpions were the bookends of Hair Metal. It began with them and ended with them.
1984 - Rock You Like a Hurricane
1991-Winds of Change
This video reminds me of the scene in airheads where they are asked to describe their sound
"lt's more like a power slop. But we don't limit ourselves to labels.There's always someone who wants to lump you together with the other buttholes."
This video combines my love for a lot of the sub genres of rock, with my love for organization and categorization :D
Did you ever see Ed's Furry Guide to Metal where they played the same riff for 5 different sub genres lol
Around 16:51 I got an ad, and it went like this. "And at this point things couldn't really get anymore really brutal so the natural step was... to watch yoga videos ad-free"
Sex pistols' album sounds very polished compared with the rest of British punk rock
well malcolm mclaren was managing them and wanted them to basically be posterboys. Johnny rotten didn't want anything to do with him, so he split.
Someone else who's not into industrial knows who throbbing gristle is!!!!! Wow I'm no longer alone 😂😂😂
I'm a huge Chelsea grin fan (og Chelsea grin) and have been for a very long time.
I was patiently waiting for the deathcore breakdown and was pleasantly surprised to see that they got to wrap up the video.
Good shit man! Love your videos.
Finn: Drops a nuclear truth bomb on Indie that would make any a heavily bearded man in a fedora cry into his plaid shirt.
Next sentence: "So I want to recognize and respect that."
😆 Ice cold.
Yeah, very inspiring video !!! Will have to watch it twice or more times to write down all the bands I have to check out. After UB40, Peter Tosh, and B.Marley, we got into metal, me being like 11 or so in 84, and we switched over from BMX to SK8. So I have seen the evolution from hard rock to like what happend till 96. And after that I don't know who is the blame, but kept listening to all the cd's I had. Saw my nephew with shirts from Korn, Slipknot, Linkin Park, and Limb Bizkit, but some how thought, those must be these softy indie bands. Had no clue what emo is, djent, even nu-metal. Back in the day it was rock-hardrock-heavymetal-trashmetal-deathmetal-punk-hardcore, ska-reggea. I need re-schooling.... Thanks Finn !!!
Also mathcore dillenger escape plan, protest the hero, PSYOPUS
Its like a mix between grindcore and prog metal
I like the metalcore band slayer
No way.
Slayer is my favorite pop punk band
Dude me too! Slayer is an awesome post hardcore band
Slayer is an awesome Glam Metal band from San Antonio, Texas.
Everyone always forgets Doom and Stoner metal... Slow can be heavy too!
And then there's Tech Death, where people thought "Wouldn't it be great to graduate from music college as absolute masters of our instruments and THEN play as fast as humanly possible?"
Yes. Yes, it is.
Queue Allegaeon, Archspire and Obscura
So fucking stoked to see daze n days here. Pat S. Bands and andrew jackson jihad are the pinnacle as well
I feel personally attacked as a huge fan of Power and Symphonic metal
He has an overtly American (and mainstream) bias, and he does not get metal, doesn't even listen to it with an open mind.
I spent six months on a Power Metal binge, and my virginity actually came back. It was the damnedest thing.
Thank you for giving me a good introduction to Crust Punk and a reintroduction Industrial, Emo and Nu Metal! I’m forming a band called “Vulpimancer” and I gotta appreciate your fun mockings LMFAO
Subgenres, to me, is just a fun project. Not about being "legit" or being pigeonholed into something, but just hearing the band's unique sound and figuring it out, like a game. Yeah, some subgenres have their sub cultures, like black metal, but to me, it's fun.
I think melo death is more like Metallica + death growls than Iron Maiden or Judas Priest + death growls.
I never thought of the mighty mighty bosstones as punk but I’ll take it
no mention of the ramones im crying
Just curious where you would slot Social Distortion? They were part of the popular socal punk scene of the early and mid eighties , also kinda went mainstream in the 90’s. Never making hugely popular radio wise but now I hear them quite a bit on the radio in socal.
Ska and Grindcore two of my favorites!!!
Kind of wondering where The Dead Milkmen fit in all of this 🤔
As someone who’s big into power metal I can confirm that I don’t listen to it with a straight face. I’m grinning the entire time lol
There are far too many subgenres of Rock and Metal. I like putting bands In to subgenres because it gives us a better way to explain certain bands, but all these tiny subgenres is a bit ridiculous.
Bruh, the way you described Folk punk and Crust, almost sounds like you know from experience 😂
I cant Believe Screeching Weasel wasnt mentioned as one of the first pop punk players
For thrash metal, I have to give it up for Testament. Back in the early 90s when a lot of metal bands were slowing it down and mellowing out, they amped it up with Low. If you like thrash and death, this album is a must-have.
I think he is WAY underselling blink…they were literally the biggest band when I was in middle school, like the biggest band in general…they influenced uncountable fashions and bands and Tom is a god tier song writer
gary numan is a pioneer of both goth and industrial
YES! IM SO GLAD YOU REFFED BEYOND CREATION!!! Despite my virgin ass being married for over 10 years, this is one of my favorite bands!
ST first album - Greatest Hard-core Punk album of all time.
ST 2nd album - Greatrest Crossover album of all time.
ST 3rd album - Greatest Thrash Metal album of all time.
Offspring is not pop punk, but pop melodic hardcore (or "skate punk" as you like to call it). They have many songs with doubled drums unlikely Green Day.
I bet the comment section is 99.9% virgin dudes with a beer belly that still lives in his moms basement
So I know I'm late to this video but I thought you would enjoy the story. I have never been a big advocate of the punk scene but I do respect it's contributions to music. That being said I had never heard of days n days before a friend of mine hired them to play their party. She paid the band $75 and a case of beer and they drove to Dallas to play her house party. It was actually a fun show but you are 100% correct about the smell.
Appetite For Destruction is a goddamned masterpiece. It is well beloved by metalheads, punks, and classic rockers alike.
Death Metal: aka Cookie Monster Metal... because the singers always sounded like Cookie Monster.
It'd be awesome if a Death Metal band covered C is for Cookie.
What about edm subgenres like deathstep, riddim, trap, future bass, progressive house, drum n bass, hardstyle
A malnourished dog named chaos.
I don’t know why this is so funny
I do enjoy the unique sound of Shining
Melodic Death Metal is Beautifully Heavy, but Whoah not mentioning EXODUS in Thrash cmon.
My nephew used to argue that bc Operation Ivy didn't primarily use horns, there was no way they could be ska
Best quote explaining the difference between "Heavy Metal" and "Extreme Metal": "It's when you go from "aaaAAAAAA" to "AAAAGGHHHH" -Fenriz
ROCK AND ROLL GAS STATIOOOOOON
I thank Fenriz, Frost and Abbath's goofiness for reminding me black metal artists were silly humans when I was growing up.
People act like black metallers don't know how silly they are, but for the most part it's really just the fans. Even the really loony dudes.
@@ConvincingPeople Dimmu Borgir used to troll TSA by going through security in their full armored and nail covered regalia as a joke. 1349 has been banned from certain venues here in the US because they openly said blasphemous stuff outside the venue and would scream shit at pedestrians and cars for the lulz. The one dude, Gaahl, literally said "Satan" as his biggest musical inspiration in an interview with Sam Dunn, and just chugged wine afterwards to hide his urge to laugh while already drunk off his ass because he thought it would be fucking funny.
Yeah, pretty sure Black Metal is just a bunch of edgelord trolls from rural bum-fuck-nowhere places out for a laugh and a good time.
@@ConvincingPeople
I blame the autism.
And I say this as a goofy, autistic black metal fan.
I'm triggered that you didn't mention the musical chastity belt that is Doom Metal
Then we'd have to talk funeral doom, sludge and drone, which are less chastity belts than… whatever depressive black metal is. Things I like because I'm a sewer mutant, in other words.
@@ConvincingPeople I play guitar in a doom/sludge band and I wish he would've made fun of it for that reason.
@@ConvincingPeople Imagine talking to a girl you like and telling her you're a musician, then when she asks what kind of music you play you have to look her in the eyes, and with a straight face say "I play guitar in a Funeral Doom band"
All doom metal bands are just stoners who remixed Black Sabbath riffs
@@LordCardenas you aren't wrong, Imperial dog
Black metal and indie music: *exists*
FInn: "and I took that personally"
@Soy Orbison Mr Finn hates those genres too much 🤣, he loves Trap Metal and Machine Gun Kelly so much
@@jaysonmahaguay5888 ick
Soy Orbison LOL
I honestly hope the thing will actually save rock would be a mix of the two.
Music community especially when it comes to Rick is super toxic like fr we all have our own opinion I think he's more into Rap he likes alot of rock tho
being brazilian i smile everytime you talk of sepultura, i love how far they went, absolute legends in the metal scene here
Sepultura have tour caled "back to the roots" and they come in Zagreb , Croatia
BEST CONCERT EVER !
Damn Straight my friend ! am 49 yrs old & live in Tennessee in the U.S. Arise is & will be one of my favorite all time Metal Albums!! Can't forget about Roots & I was also a Soulfly fan back in the Day!!
I’m French but have lived almost my entire life in America, my dad is an absolute SUPERFAN of Sepultura, so I grew up with it. I’ve probably heard bloody roots a thousand times 😅
Yo he coming out swinging and throwing haymakers at everyone's pet genre.
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"So I started blastin!"
Feel like this is a Comedy Central roast and he’s Nicki Glaser
@@JanuszPea gayest post of 2021... fuck that's cringe.
Yo he coming out sucking
I hope you make a shirt that says, “The more notes per song, the safer your virginity is!”
I'm into classical. My siblings can get laid and have the kids, I'll remain happily single and buy all the annoying Toys For Tots with no fear of retribution.
So we should probably get into the audio castration that is the neo-classical metal sub genre
@@nonyodambiz I put this video on while editing my Neo-Classical metal playlist.
Lol, music snobs are funny
What did Bach not mean by this? 😂
I can't believe you didn't explain the difference between pagan metal and viking metal
yeah and what about folk metal vs. medieval metal
Can't forget Pirate Metal
@@paulapierrot9542 I'll be honest I didn't know medieval metal was a thing mind throwing some bands my way
@@OnyxXThePunch try this th-cam.com/video/B7Hqk8k2-Qs/w-d-xo.html
One belives in odin and the other one is probably a racist 😂😂😂✊🏻
"They're like IRL versions of Borderlands NPC's" I'm dying LMAO
literally the instant you said "folk punk" an ad popped up with a woman saying "Im thinking about adopting a dog" I cant make this shit up... laughed so hard i scared both my cats awake
I got an ad for a folk band with a dude wearing a Pantera shirt
@@craigjames1082 same
“I don’t want to disrespect Indie”
*shits all over Indie*
“I just had to mention it as a genre”
Lmao seriously. Acts like it's a real thing when in reality all modern "indie" that isn't garbage corporate rock he talks about (ie, definitionally NOT independent rock) originates in post-punk/new wave and those "college rock" bands he mentions, as well as the no-wave movement. Pretty dumb how he mentioned math rock and several other "indie" subgenres under rock and then still acts like "indie" is anything real other than a marketing aesthetic. "Indie" is just a name given to all forms of alternative rock that have a "softer/nerdier" aesthetic. That's it. It really stuck in the 90s because all those 'midwest emo' bands and their influences hated being called "college rock" so they made a concerted effort to brand themselves with the "indie rock" label. It's all just different kinds of alternative rock. That's why some "midwest" "emo" bands sound like Nirvana, meanwhile others sound like Pavement. All of them are indebted to Hüsker Dü and Sonic Youth.
Genre names are so ephemeral that applying them outside a certain scene and context during a certain time period creates disasters, which is why it's always so confusing.
@@kage6613 While I agree with a lot of this in principle, I think his video on why he's not crazy about "indie" stuff clears things up a little more than you're giving him credit for, and he's copped to the fact that what he's referring to is specifically the current which kind of rode the coattails of the Olympia twee scene (especially Beat Happening) and the British C86 bands but lacked the sort of punk defiance implicit in those bands' explicit rejection of rock'n'roll machismo. And I get that. The original twee, post-punk and "college rock" acts were actually *way* ballsier in their vulnerability than a lot of hardcore and metal bands, and that's worth respecting, but it does feel like a lot of modern bands playing in that same tradition aren't really pushing the envelope in that way.
@@ConvincingPeople if you go to that video you'll see all my comments disagreeing, there are plenty of modern indie rock bands in the punk and hardcore scene doing cool stuff within the modern landscape. Mainstream garbage will always be mainstream garbage, it's the same with any genre.
@@kage6613 @ConvincingPeople That's what I was thinking. The Indie term is just over- and missused.
In my opinion, as a huge fan of many varieties of Punk music, Indie is next to the US thing that you mentioned the evolution of the 80s GB Post-Punk-Sound of bands like Joy Division, The Stranglers or The Smiths in bands like (early) Arctic Monkeys, The Libertines or Franz Ferdinand, which still have some sort of that Post-Punk vibe I would say (along with the aesthetics).
Not really sure he did have to mention it, especially since the strawman version of indie that are soundtracking car commercials isn’t part of the punk or metal scenes.
Don't really want to be that guy but how could you leave out the entire doom and sludge
Believe in a previous video he said he couldn't find a reason to talk about Doom, as it's "a genre solely dedicated to sounding like Black Sabbath", so there's only so much to say about it. (Finn, I love you, but you're wrong here). As for Sludge, idk probably can't talk about that without talking about Doom.
Because acknowledging doom will prove all his "rock is dying" points wrong
@@chachorolas923 That's a good point... Rock is bigger than ever numbers wise - since it's more global than ever - just not radio wise.... and doom is doing some good stuff over the past 20 years
I know, right?!
@Soy Orbison Gojira is currently no. 1 on billboard 200
Black Sabbath, to me was an outlier for classic Heavy Metal. I felt like there was more meaning in their music, much less goofy, and much less corny.
Yeah ur right but it’s Cuz ozzy’s brain was fuckedddd
cuz they were doom metal
@@MTHSLH482 They were somewhere among doom, heavy and blues rock depending on the album you choose.
That's because they were a blues band
"A malnourished dog on a string named Chaos" LMAO BRAHHHH
Someone's grandpa is gonna be pissed you didn't name The Stooges as the first punk band
@Ivory_ Lagiacrus_YT everyone forgets MC5 but in terms of chronology, MC5 recorded the album in October 1968 but released about a year later sometime after The Stooges first album.
@@Awesomebaconman123 They were contemporaries right? Is being particular about recording dates even a good way to describe who was "first" to do anything in this era? They must have been influencing each other well before either got a chance to record.
The Stooges never strike me as a straight punk band. Musically, I think the Ramones were the first. Culturally, the DKs laid the groundwork for punk in a way that, as far as I know, none of the other early bands did.
I am somebody’s grandpa
Well true...I mean shit The Stooges, MC5 and Death laid the groundwork.
I like Mellodeath. It can be brutally heavy and preceded all those "core" bands. They can go from super melodic like Insomnium to brutal and technical like Mors Princibum Est to barely melodic like Kalmah. It's basically death metal with good solos.
black daliah murder fits there aswell, even opeth in my opinion
no, it's basically power metal with growls
@@paveantelic7876 nah u trippin 💀 listen to the black dahlia murder then listen to idk helloween or dragon force 😂 yall just be sayin shit
@@pausamaxima i just did and it was exactly like how i thought it would be
@@paveantelic7876 get better, learn music
Those who didn't wanna choose between the slower post-punk branch of punk and the faster hardcore branch, created post-hardcore.
Sleeping with sirens is my favorite post hardcore band.
Yeah, considering how many different sub genres of post hardcore there are, and how prevalent it is I’m actually genuinely surprised it wasn’t mentioned.
@@rpglover101 Hey dude can you tell me a little bit about post hardcore and the sub genres, because i'm new into this genre and i just discover sleeping with sirens and pierce the veil lol😂
@Yung Mallet post-hardcore has started to become the dumping ground where you throw in anything that's heavy and punk-influenced, but doesn't fit anywhere else. Fugazi, mewithoutYou, Sleeping With Sirens, and Refuzed are all "post-hardcore," but none of those bands sound anything alike.
@@mynameislove1704 if you are wanting the post-hardcore that comes from the late 00s to like 2015 that is scene culture then I wouldn’t listen to what they’re saying. That started with bands like Attack Attack and had its own wave of stuff. Like the really high vocals like PTV and SWS comes from the OGs like Dance Gavin Dance and Chiodos. But some other parts dive into hair metal like Escape the Fate and Black Veil Brides. Others got heavier like Bring me the Horizon and some went poppy like A Day to Remember. I’m not sure if these all have like real sub genre names but it’s interesting that most put these in that scene post hardcore genre but it sounds so different from each other.
"Your uncle who still wears Airwalks, Dickies shorts, and Black Fly sunglasses listens to in his truck."
Goddamn, Finn. Why ya gotta call me out like this.
Scratch that. I just feel attacked by this whole video. lolololololol
but I wear cortez’,…….. and Loks, and my grandkids dig it🤓😎🥸……. (yeah sure buddy, keep tellin yourself that)
Trade the Airwalks with Vans and the Black Flys with liquor store locs and yeah….he nailed it with me.
Still rock Ben Davis and triple A t shirts too lol.
19:34 I'm coining a new term for this type of metal as "Power Ranger Metal". I think it fits perfectly. Basically the fast, progressive power metal sound with super dramatic avant garde opera vocals and keyboards and organs with that coral sound and falsetto back up vocals with vocoders.
You know what? Why not
Finn: Is it heavy or is it melodic? Pick one.
Also Finn: I live and die for metalcore.
Seriously though, another great video Finn!!
FR!!!!!!
Yeah I made a funny face when I heard him say that 😅
Like, why not both, right?
Metalcore sometimes has heavy and melodic parts, but isn't trying to be heavy and melodic at the same time.
I love how Sublime is the biggest ska band but nobody ever brings them up when talking about ska because they were too good for us to associate them with such a hated genre.
As somebody who loves Sublime, they don't get brought up because they suck
Sublime is just Smash Mouth on Heroin
@@ogvelociraptor205 lowkey yes
@@ogvelociraptor205 no way
Sublime wasn't Ska. They were a blend of punk, hip hop, and reggae (which came from ska) Even if they were a ske band they certainly weren't "the biggest" No Doubt, the Mighty Mighty Bosstones and others were way more successful within the genre.
"you can smell this video" and "the people who weren't dysfunctional enough to listen to black flag" are the truest statements this channel has ever made
Black Flag isn't that fucked up. They are a pretty tame hardcore band imo. But tbf I was listening to some really heavy shit before I even heard of BF
@@soully98 dysfunction isn't always about heavy. The punks who wallow in addiction and mental illness tend to have an over intense love of Black Flag. I speak as someone who's been there. It gets more extreme in and around Long Beach, CA
The thought of someone finding this video and discovering a whole new world of music makes me so happy
@Soy Orbison I don't recall him saying its objectively crap?
Indie is objectively amazing btw
Well I just discovered Forced Entry because of this video :) !