90s SKATEPUNK IS DEAD? NOFX, Bad Religion, Pennywise, The Offspring
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- What killed 90s skatepunk? In the late 90s, it felt like there was an endless supply of bands borrowing from NOFX, Pennywise and Bad Religion, some of them even getting close to the Billboard top 10.
But as popular as skatepunk was at its peak, it never got any bigger-- in fact, it kind of fizzled in the early to mid 2000s. Was it killed by the rise of bands like Blink-182 and New Found Glory, or did the gatekeeper attitudes of the genre's founders kill it??
A few of the things I touch on:
- The 1st gen skatepunk bands like Bad Religion, DI, JFA, RKL, and The Faction
- Why Nirvana, Green Day and The Offspring were indirectly responsible for the 90s skatepunk boom
- The 90s generation of skatepunk bands like NOFX, Strung Out, Pulley, The Vandals, Unwritten Law, Guttermouth and No Use For A Name
- Why Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph were the key labels for 90s skatepunk and NOFX's "Punk In Drublic" was the most important album of the genre
- The "Punk O Rama" and "Survival Of The Fattest" sampler CDs
- Airwalks, chain wallets, dickies shorts, and other questionable 90s punk fashion choices
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Please for the love of god! Do a "what killed ska" video!! Skate punk and ska went hand in hand in the 90s skate scene. At least where I lived. Anyway, would really love to hear your take on what happened there.
I just want to say that Propaghandi may not have been big where you lived, but up here in Canada, they were pretty well known. All the punk rock kids at my high school in Toronto knew about that band. This was in the late 90s/early 00's.
anybody that says i was 40% pretending was 100% pretending
Idk about it being dead...im going to Gnarlytown Festival next month with Pennywise headlining and Nitro Circus is gonna be there as well as a skateboarding exhibition.
I also back in October I wanna say went to Huntington Beach for Surf City Blitz with Social D, Bad Religion, Rancid, Pennywise, Suicidal Tendencies, Offspring, TSOL, Voodoo Glow Skulls, Fear, Mad Caddies I think was there too.
Anyways both days were packed, even more so on day 2 probably because Social D was headlining and they always draw huge crowds in SoCal. Second day they said over 20 thousand people were there on the beach I think.
Anyways, yes, there's not new bands in the genre, but when they show up so do the fans. They're older now, but still loyal. It's like Rolling Stones only they aren't charging over a hundred bucks for cheap seats at the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum.
BTW, I love u mentioning Face to Face and Lagwagon, those two bands I make sure I go see any time I see a show.
Pulley is awesome. The reason Pulley didn't get so big is because their singer was a professional baseball pitcher. Played in the major leagues for a dozen years or so and even works as a pitching coach for various teams that sort of changes year to year now.
He actually had another band before pulley named Ten Foot Pole that was legit, but they wanted to tour in the summer months. Unfortunately he had a baseball career.
But ya, Pulley sort of plays only in the off months of baseball. It was originally Scott and members of other bands (including Jordan Burns from Strung Out playing guitars originally) doing shows in the baseball off-season. They still do the same sort of schedule today.
Side note, a year ago Jordan Burns left Strung Out and I didn't know when I went to see them at Musink festival when Descendents headlined. It was literally a few weeks before the show he left the band. Travis Barker who is the promoter of the show every year played a few songs with them and those songs sounded like dogshit cause he doesn't play at that same tempo and kept going to blink 182 and transplants drum beats and it just sounded weird as fuck.
I credit Tony hawk pro skater for bringing this music to younger kids. Those soundtracks were amazing. Matt Hoffman pro BMX as well.
yh the game(s) should have been worth a mention. Was bringing skatepunk a lot into the mainstream...back then i wasnt sure i was real happy about it tbh
Needed to say this too. Every extreme sport game in the 90's/2000's had skate punk.
Awww man you’re totally right. THPS should have been mentioned. As a kid from Serbia while my country was isolated from the rest of the world it meant the everything to me. I got to see Dog Eat Dog a month or two ago. Brought me back 20 years ago. Not a skate punk but close enough 🙂
Nikola Kojic I never even learned how to Ollie but I loved the video games. And the music. Don’t listen to it much anymore but I’ve heard it all so much. And Not many bands are making anything new like that.
I have to agree. Born in 94, started playing these games in like 2000 or so, I heard suicidal tendencies and consumed and was instantly hooked. Same with bad religion and lagwagon
Punk isn't dead it is just passed out in the corner
Too many pabts
Its about time it woke up!
Or getting high with someones dad
Yeah it's coming back cuz no kid I know don't hate it at all. It's far from dead.
Punks not Dead !! it went back into the Underground scene !!
I feel a slight disagreement with Blink 182's role in this. In my opinion and certainly over here in the UK, they got a new generation of kids into Skate Punk and the scene was slightly revitalised by their popularity, as well as at the same time napster and filesharing was kicking off allowing many people (me included) to download every single punk album we could get our hands on. Everyone I knew into blink 182 was also into nofx and lagwagon. The real death of skatepunk I feel was with the emergence of emo, which kinda took pop punk with it too. And even Blink 182 started to sound much more serious. Things shifted from fun and goofy to sad and whiney very quickly.
There is the “european 5 year delay rule”!
I did not expect to see you here
Dude, is this the real David Firth? Huge fan. Fat-Pie being one of the few video sites not blocked at my high school made those four years so much more bearable.
Oh shit!
Bruh this the same loc that wrote salad fingers
Still my favourite genre of music ever, even at 44 years old.
Same here, pennywise is still my favorite band
Same
@Chris Humphries Better late than never friend🍻
Only 16 and my Dad got me into all of this. Kind of sad I missed the 90s but this stuff will live on forever with me
rhis guy is so wrong. skate punk never died. so many new great skate punk bands.
Tony hawks pro skater games were so much fun! Sometimes I would just listen to the soundtrack. They helped me expand my musical taste.
number 2
number 1
doesnt matter after......
Fucking oath 🤘
So here I am, doing everything I can Holding on to what I am Pretending I'm a supermaaaaannn.
I’m remember thinking less than jake should have been on the soundtrack when playing the first one. they didn’t get a track by them until the 3rd or 4th.
Got me into punk, ended up seeing goldfinger sixteen times during the early naughties ha.
Yo, what about Descendants? I feel like they were a big contributor to skate punk as well
Sure - I can't list every band
The Punk Rock MBA Can't list every band? There would be NO "list" of these bands PERIOD if not for the Descendents. They literally spawned the entire skate punk genre. They did it better as well. The rest of these bands are little more than pale imitations. I mean no disrespect but c'mon. A little research goes a long way!
Couldn't agree more with this, major ommision
Bad Religion + the Descendents = skate punk
Thearcheing2 Descentes are fake punk at all
1880s beards and 1980s Miami Vice fashion made a comeback. It's definitely possible.
Valid point lol
Yo, mullets are back too
And you missed the Swedish skate punk, Millencolin, No fun at all and Satanic Surfers are the best bands ;v
Didn't miss them - they were fine bands but ultimately just riffing on what the Americans did
Sloppy Seconds, Snuff/Guns and Wankers, and to a lesser extent Screeching Weasel don't really get enough said about them. Also I think a mention of The Queers and Dead Milkmen would have been nice as I always associate those two with the Vandals.
Descendents too. They are older than any of these bands but cool aswell.
yess!!! Adhesice and
Millencolin
SATNAIC SURFERsssssss
Punkrock was a phenomenon of its time. It fit exactly into the 90's to early 2000's. It wasn't just the music, it was a complete lifestyle. All people were somehow friends, you had simply found your place in the world. The scene back then was just awesome❤
I don't think there's anything like that so often in the history of music, but maybe I'm just not objective😅
I think Agent Orange deserved a mention. Their first Album was a true surf skate punk album.
Failure to mention Agent Orange suggests homeboy isn't the expert he makes himself out to be. It's like discussing rockabilly without mentioning Carl Perkins. Revise and resubmit.
agent orange pretty much invented surf/skate punk before the 70s were even over
Exactly. Not even bothering with the rest of the video if Agent Orange is missing.
@@AveragePicker Was a bit curious myself as to why they never got a mention when they were such a huge influence on the scene, starting in 1979!
Gilbert, my only guess is having relied more on personal experience and less on actual research. ....though even on a person level I’m not sure how someone could be in the skate punk scene and miss Agent Orange. Sure you might hear Bad Religion, or Pennywise first but to not encounter Agent Orange seems like a small music circle.
...though seeing so many comments and stuff referring to blink being punk leaves the whole thing as tasting like mainstream pop centered.
I'm 42 years old now and I will NEVER stop listening to the greatest music ever :)
Punk Rock will never die!!!
R.I.P. Tony Sly
Same here
Tony Sly always gets an upvote
No use for a name has so many really great songs and lyrics
“The Offspring really isn’t skate punk”
Lol Smash is like the skate punk anthem album I can’t even count how many skate compilations and home video skate compilations were to that album
Yeah and its perfect for any extreme sport.. and Smash is one of the greatest albums ever including any genre
@Emily Von Spears I was 11 when it came out and it changed my life, nothing gives me more 90s nostalgia than this album!
Hahaha yeah he sounded dumb af saying that.
@akman1947was that the album before smash ?
I too didn't understand this statement at all , the albums are pretty skate punk imo
No mention of millencollin?
Cant mention every band and they didnt really do anything distinctive in my personal opinion
I mean they had a song on the first Tony hawk video game. That's pretty distinctive if we're talking about skate punk.
Thps 2. My bad.
Well technically he did kinda mention Millencollin, when he mentioned the surge of clones and copycats that muddied and eventually exhausted the genre. So yeah....that's where Millencollin fits into skate punk. They came too late to be individually singled out. Definitely not pioneers.
@@pekerhed101 tbf don't see why lagwagon would deserve a mention over Millencollin in that department, they both kind of fit the bill.
I loved guttermouth lol. The tracks they had in Think - Damage fit perfectly, and that album (friendly people) was pretty solid for being goofy with the lyrics. I think they deserve more credit
Totally agree, while the 14 yo comment wasn't completely offbase, they're not "objectively bad". Guttermouth was a fine band.
Who remembers "punk-o-rama" at 1am at night on some random channel? Loved this era. Great time, saw bad religion, AFI (pre-black sails), Pennywise, The Vandals etc etc etc. It really started to die out when all the MTV kids were wearing the punk genre and had their Blink182 shirts and were all sudden "punk". It blurred the lines. It seemed to me the punk scene did certainly have that elitist mentality as you mentioned. The scene also sucked. Everyone was so damn angry, and if you wanted to get INTO the scene, you were a poser. If you didin't know who OPIV was you were a poser. If you didint know a friend of a friend of a friend of a guy in a punk band you were a POSER. Then to add more to this SLC punk came out, and now if you didint know everyones name in that movie you were a POSER. (At this point i started to leave the punk music scene and do my own "thing".) Everyone was a freaking poser this or poser that. I remember 12 years old in the Vandals pit and man i got knocked down SO much, but every dude there would pick me up and keep me going. It was great. Now im that 34 year old guy at punk shows, and i love seeing kids there. If it wasn't for the emotional outlet IDK what I would have become so I owe my life to punk rock ironically.
What you talked about is why I eventually turned in my proverbial punk rock badge and started dressing like I used to before skate punk. It got exhausting proving you are a certain way. I have so much more fun going to punk shows not dressed as a punk like everyone else. It's also when I stopped listening to music with my ego and liked what I liked even if it's not cool.
Fucking posers!
Jesus dude. You triggered PTSD I didn't realize I had until I read your comment. Getting called a poser was serious shit back then. Like someone got called a poser and a record skipped and the room cleared out. Shit was going down.
i loved afi before the art of drowning or black sails
@@koopatroopa187 hahaha for real man, that was worse then most insults. It questioned your dedication to the scene. It was the weirdest thing lol
Me
Dude, that’s crazy, u literally said exactly how I got into ‘90s punk, started with Green Day and Offspring, and moved to NoFx and Bad Religion, it’s like u got in my head or something, I guess a lot of ‘90s kids did the same thing, definitely more then I remember, nun of my friends were into it like I was, but I guess I wasn’t alone, just nobody around me liked it. Great videos btw! Love the channel!!
Thanks man, appreciate the support!
I basically listened to whatever was on the radio until I heard Sublime. I loved their punk tracks and Bad Religion and Descendents covers and I just wanted more. Thats what got me into punk. Now mostly all I listen to is punk and 1st/2nd wave ska...other than Sublime I really didn't care for any of the 3rd wave ska bands that dominated the mid-late 90s (No Doubt, Reel Big Fish, Mighty Mighty Bosstones etc.)
i have this same feeling - nobody into it like me... was a bit off of it for a while and then got back into it (as a grown man) and now it's an even stronger feeling that i'm the only one into this genre. Every now and then people ask me to select music or just what do i like and i always have try to explain what it is or just say that nobody likes my kind of music :) I guess we are scattered... I'm in Portugal, married with a kid (who i share the music with)
My path was more like Alkaline trio (the first band that got me into pop/skate punk) then NOFX and offspring, then green day and blink 182
EVERYBODY was listening to Green Day and Offspring circa 94 or 95. I was really into the Offspring by 1996, it was my favourite band. Of course there was more variety, I liked a lot a local band that did basically rap-metal and was very outrageous, but the Offspring, the Offspring was like a cult following. By 2000 I was really unimpressed with Conspiracy of One, where I think the real decline began, but I still bought religiously Ixnay and Americana (this one almost day one...)
"Offspring not a legit punk band like Greenday was" Excuse me?
I thought that aswell. I would definatly classify early offspring as punk, Jennifer Lost The War is a banger. Can't say much about the newer stuff though.
I know right.
Dude says he hates gatekeeping then proceeds to gatekeep several times in the video.
Dirty Magic, great early tune
@@legendash yeah grungy punk... great song. I like the newer version as well and they do an unplugged version thats better than the new version
Just saw Pennywise and Rancid last night and I was the 40 year old wearing airwalks with shorts and a tshirt that was mentioned at the end of the video. Great show. Im dead today tho
John Giles I went to the philly show. Only saw rancid. Still great. And saw bad religion 2 days later. Still amazing.
@John Giles Just saw Pennywise two weeks ago, almost died in the pit from exhaustion, I did have the flu though first punk show ever with a 102 temp! Still threw up in front of a cop and didn’t even drink🤘🏼
@@jonathanbellomy1039 Now that's Punk! \m/
This doesn't even seem like that long ago. But yeah, that was definitely like 20 years ago. Ugh, getting old sucks.
Lagwagon is about the only one I can still put on and purely enjoy without relying on a sense of nostalgia.
Time and the world changed so fast, if we only knew. If only all our friends from back then were still around.
Time doesn’t seem to move until someone mentions a movie or album that came out 20 odd years ago and you say...fuck I remember that being fresh and new lol
Way too young to have ever been into these bands at their peak, but via THPS/THUG this was a big part of what made me get into music as a kid. Love the balance of history, personal anecdotes and analysis in these vids!!
Thanks man!
Every skater from that era still carries skate punk in their heart!
Not just skaters. 😉
No mate we don't. Some skaters who grew up in that era never liked that scene. It was too prescribed. Those with open minds wanted more diverse sounds.
Cartoon punk for cartoon people
@@helencross5183 i guess it depends where you come fron in that time whe as skaters didn't have more then that
Man you literally described my teens in the 90's! Some of the best times of my life!
BUT YOU FORGOT MILLENCOLIN AND GOOD RIDDANCE!!!
Didn't say Anything about GOOD RIDDANCE...remake whole video now.
@@THUGBOAT831 good riddance is hardcore punk but cause they’re west coast band they got in with that scene
Operation Ivy, anyone, anyone...?
Op Ivy and Wu Tang, and Snapcase...that's what i skated to.
@@deadpaddyoriordan8146 fuck yeah to all three.
@@deadpaddyoriordan8146 Do we know each other lol. Sounds like me and all my old Florida buddies.
Sound System?
I listen to opivy at least once a week at work. The only real joy of cooking in a restaurant is playing old school jams
Crazy how the skate punk boom was in its dying years 20 years ago, feels like it was just yesterday that I was hunting for Bad Religion records lol. And I LOVED the Punk-O-Rama compilations!
Great job with this video. I'm 37 and I totally still listen to Skatepunk. And you are 100% correct in the current crowds at shows. I would love to see a revival of the genre, especially more of the NUFAN/Lagwagon style. Thanks for putting this out.
Appreciate the support!
had it not been for the tony hawk games I would have never gotten into bands like suicidal tendencies, dead kennedy’s, primus, anthrax etc. which led me to a bunch of others.
Holy shit, I'm three years late to the party but I just want to say, well done! This is easily the best (and only) mini doc on skatepunk I've ever seen. Coming from a person who was pretty involved in the scene, particularly the Fat crew, I can say that you pretty much nailed everything.
The only difference is that three years on, there are some new bands beginning to make a dent. Nothing in the chart topping realms of yesteryear but skate punk is definitely on the rise, particularly with female skate punk bands (Bad Cop/Bad Cop, Bombpops, The Last Gang) and while more of a straight ahead pop punk album, the New Machine Gun Kelly album sold a LOT of units and was primarily written by Nick Long, a Santa Barbara skate punk scene OG.
Give it another 4 or 5 years and I think we'll see something similar to if not quite exactly the same ride a wave of nostalgia to the top of the charts.
Thanks man!
Descendants
MxPx
Goldfinger
Rancid
Millencolin
?????
Solid video though, and big props for RKL.
mxpx come on those were the posers of this era imo, rancid is more ska than anything, millencollin was good but nowehre as good as nofx,lag wagon, pennywise, bad religion
Hell Yes
RKL rips it up...RIP Jason
Rancid definitely not skate-punk mate ;)
If not rancid than at least op ivy. Even though they’re more ska punk. I think they at least deserve an honorable mention considering the many, many, many times I’ve skated to they’re one album.
I think the shift in whats cool to skateboarders musicwise is also a factor to why the genre died. Skaters nowdays are more into hip hop like odd future vs back in the 90s were alot of skaters were into skatepunk.
I always loved the way NOFX did their vocal harmonies and the way they sounded alongside the guitar and bass melodies. That was a huge part of their unique sound.
They would have one singer singing a line using the same note for every word and another guy singing the same line but using several notes. I always thought that sounded awesome.
No no no no. Suicidal tendencies were the og skate band
ST!
They were thrash
Eduardo Rodriguez Crossover Thrash to be exact.
i really thought he was going to start with them rather than Bad Religion, but on the timeline perhaps ST were a bit later. Seems a shame to leave them out though! I love ST!
Mike Muirs big brother was an original dogtown skater. That's about as OG as it gets.
I'm so so glad you mentioned Strung Out and still their best album, Twisted By Design and Unwritten Law. The self titled is also a banger.
This is still my most listened to music. LoL only it’s blasting from the minivan.
jbellis11 same :)
I love how you mention the elitist gatekeeper attitude. It's soo true. I noticed that put some of the final stranglehold on the music scene in the mid 2000s. Have you or anyone ever analyzed the connection between the scene and the social media of the time? MySpace was a very artistic DIY media vehicle for a lot of bands getting noticed and also annoyingly saturating the scene. And, at least, I noticed that as MySpace faded into more basic/generic and less visual/creative social media formats, so did the energy finally subside around the skatepunk scene. I think the real issue is that, even though I love what technology can do for a band or scene, people stopped hustling to make shows a success. Sometimes it still takes an old fashion flyer marketing hustle to get people to show up. The same oldhead elitist gatekeepers bitching about how nobody cares about the scene anymore are the ones who simultaneously gave up all effort to promote. They took on a real entitled attitude and blamed everyone else for not careing about their bands and shows; instead of grabbing bull by the horns, perhaps innovating a little, and MAKING IT FUCKING HAPPEN! Even all suggestion on my part to innovate were met with close-minded cynicism.
To get the whole picture, you need to factor in things like Audio Galaxy, Snapster, eMule, and all the file sharing those days. It was a continuation of the old "record this on a tape", but with PCs. People suddenly had access to LOTS of music. Did they go bonkers? Well, some might have, but also lots of people became disinterested, disillusioned... honestly it was a bit saturating. I don't doubt some people started building the music collection of their lives. But the old ritual of purchasing the CD (or vinyl but we're talking 90s onwards here), leafing through the booklet, putting the disc into your player... it was lost.
For me it was a bit hard to accept digital music. But sometimes it's the best source. And what ultimately matters is the song itself.
The digital explosion in the early 2000s might have had a great influence in disrupting the industry forever. If you allow me the comparison, it's like videogames moving from arcade shops to home consoles. A lot of the social aspect was lost, to be replaced with discussions over the Net.
I agree brother ☺️
thehafe01 YES
Thanks for making a video on my favorite subgenre :) Only things I'd add are Life In General by MxPx is an essential skatepunk record, and Frenzal Rhomb deserved a mention
I love that album
I got the fuck kicked out of me by Constable care
When I interviewed Greg Graffin from Bad Religion, he was working on his PHD. That was at CSUF for 90.7, 1993.
Greg was working on his PHD and was told He could either do School or the Band, but not both.
Recipe for Hate, I found out, was Bad Religon's way of making money for the Band, so when Greg went to finish his PHD. He now Teaches Anthropology Biology at UCLA
In the 45 minute interview, Skate Punk wss a Term that Greg informed me was used in Southern California.
I find the term Skate Punk a diminishing reference.
Bad Religon may have influenced alot of Skaters, but I believe Greg when he said they were and are a Punk Rock Band !
I've followed Greg's story for a while, turns out he did both education and punk in the end... he still does gigs to this day...
This has been a boon for many people all over the globe, him finding a balance between music and university.
However, if you care to know, he had to sacrifice a marriage for all this work... he had to live through really dark times (which reflected on his lyrics, too)... but as he's a punk in the end, he fought through it and re-married to a cool person, it seems. Interesting fella, Greg Graffin.
Gotta give another shout out to the Warped Tour. Defining moment of so many skate/punk fans growing up in that generation, kind of like how Comic Con can be for fandom today. Replace the dirty club with a massive dust bomb (at least at the Randalls Island shows), and 5 comps for a dollar at the merch booth- it was THE EVENT for my scene. Even if you hated skating or hated the bands, you went anyway to see the small stages or just hang out/get drunk/start a fight.
I was kind of the opposite- pop punk got me into Skate Punk, mostly when it intersected at the Warped Tour circa 2001-2003. The sheer amount of crossover appeal, the fact that my college radio crew always went (they dragged me along in 2001 to "get me better taste in music"), and the accessibility of the bands during the tour helped me cultivate a love for the genre. But I also felt that I was too far on the tail end of the scene at that point.
But DAMN String Out. Those guys were awesome. They still put on a great live show, and I didn't hate their last album at all.
Ha, I'm of the exact oposite opinion, but for all the same reasons. The accessibility of the Warped Tours meant that their fan base became more mainstream and focused on the pop instead of the punk, and WT organizers fed that, watering down what was credible punk with watery facsimiles that wouldn't scare people's parents. The last Warped Tour I attended had Flogging Molly and Bad Religion on the bill. Kids mobbed the stage and danced for some clowns parading fake heritage as a theme, but when Bad Reigion took the stage, half the crowd turned around and walked away. WT and its fans were as committed to punk music as MTV was.
Surprised adolescents, descendants and All didn’t come up in this discussion at all, as other antecedents to the genre. I agree with many other commenters here that the mall-emo boom of the early 00s killed off skate/pop punk.
I enjoyed this. skate punk to me is misfits, minor threat, and maybe suicidal. But i get the sonic thing you're talking about. Adolescents n Agent Orange also pioneers. Thx.
disappointed that Agent Orange didn't get more recognition in this thread. misfits... i dunno. suicidal i'd put closer to skate-metal.
I was waiting for someone to mention agent orange!
None of those are really Skate Punk.
I guess skate punk isn't completely dead just yet - when I saw The Offspring on that "Smash" anniversary tour with Pennywise and Bad Religion a few years ago, the show was pretty damn packed. Then again, most people there looked like they were in their 30s and quite a few people there had their kids with them, so uh...you're right on the money about "guys with kids old enough to drive still wearing their Dickies shorts and airwalks like they never left 1993". I saw Pennywise do a headlining gig months after that and...yeah, still applies. It's kind of a shame, because I think a lot of the 90s skate punk bands hold up quite well. I got into it basically as it was declining in the mid 2000s - when these bands were still on Warped, but being slowly replaced by mall-emo, pop punk and metalcore (gasp!!). For example, when I went in 2005, Strung Out and No Use for a Name were playing, alongside Fall Out Boy and Atreyu. lol
Oh, and I distinctly remember some dude on a horror movie forum calling me a poser when I talked about how much I loved Yellowcard around the time "Ocean Avenue" came out. Not sure how insulting 13 year olds will help get them into the kind of music you like tbh?? I can see how that would kill a scene.
Skaters were listening to punk since the 1970s
Man I was in the middle of all this. Skated, punk bands (had a song called "7 ply" 😉). I'm not stuck there but I damn miss it. Got to play cbgb's a couple times. Bad Religion and Lagwagon, still my 2 favorites!
I could never get into the offspring, I think it was his voice. Then I was in a band that was signed to Nitro records (they signed before I joined), and I heard horror stories about Dexter and he was the reason the band broke up. That sucked!!!
I still write a mix of lagwagon and pop punk stuff but strictly for fun.
There are a few band that are young and new and play this stuff...but skatepunk wont be cool again until after they are dead lol.
Awesome video...and yes, very nostalgic :)
R.I.P. TONY SLY 😞 loved NUFAN!
Jason Enz Am I the only one who got that song name😂
cole_dunnachi e - today? Probably lol but back then, everyone knew what it meant haha
The Offspring break up ? Why ?
The Offspring didn't break up, the only thing that happened back then was that Ron left the band because they were starting to sell out
As far as I know, they are still a band. I saw them a couple years ago with bad religion and alkaline trio. I thought I'd only make it through a few songs of their set. They did that first popular album front to back and I didn't hate that one.
Guttermouth is the SHIT!!!! Love those dudes, I was so stoked to hear you mention them!!! What about some of the Ska punk bands? Goldfinger, rancid, etc.
being born at the start of the century and having my dad be the founder of a punk zine. i grew up with him blasting music around the house he was sampling all the time. It was great music, got me into all sorts of punk and metal. Only downside as of being 19 years old is that no one my age listens to this anymore really.....
You’re videos are amazing I am currently binge watching them all. I’m always branching out to new music and by stumbling upon your channel I feel like I have hit the motherload. You clearly put a lot of work into these videos and I appreciate it.
Thank you!
Well, the music trends tend to come back in cycles. There was a post-grunge sad serious emo wave recently, so perhaps we'll se a skatepunk revival soon!
Sebastian Nowak listen to trash boat and fidlar theyre that modern day shit
Bad Religion and NOFX both have new albums on the way, very ironic when I saw this video....
Its a nostalgia not a wave because there are no new bands
It just became old music for old people if ya catch my drift
i'm 14 in 2020 and bad religion is my favorite band
i’m 3, and me too.
I like how diverse this series has been! I loved a lot of stake punk growing up and it's also nice to throw once in a while as something to introduce my son to. As, I'm in Canada I liked stuff like Gob (some elements of skate punk and pop punk) and a very underrated band called Sector Seven. Also one of my favourite bands still to this day is GrimSkunk (self-described world punk band) that fuses elements of punk, ska and reggae.
Talk about the 90's emo scene! (Get up kids, Sunny Day real estate , Texas is the reason etc.) I loved skate punk back in the day (lagwagons Hoss is my favourite album of all time) but emo back then was pretty awesome too. Awesome channel dude! Cheers from Propaghandi's homeland
Thanks man! Yeah i should definitely do one on the 90s emo stuff
90s emo makes up most my record collection. It was so good back then
Everybody is emo now it's no longer special 😂
Never stop learning like I do with this channel. Thank you.
Green Day may not be 100% skate punk, but Dookie opened the floodgates and all the skate punk bands greatly benefited from that albums success. It put punk in the spotlight and people who enjoyed Green Day went and bought other punk albums from that era because of it.
Exactly- well said!
"Dookie" was amazing and still is. Still a bit too much done by adolescents for adolescents. So if you listen to it for the first time and you aren't that age, you're probably gonna ignore it. Maybe older people in 1994 did just that and listened to whatever else. But for kids it was an instant win, for example the infamous "Longview" vid. Surely they were things in there you could relate to in that time.
Many of those bands like Green Day, Blink 182 etc all had roots in punk and perhaps when they started off they sounded more punk but as time went on they evolved into a more commercial sound (probably a conscious decision) and this is why the 'elitists' don't like bands like that because 'they sold out'. It's actually quite a silly way to react to be honest, because they rely solely on their music careers to pay the bills etc. If 'real' punk bands practiced what they preached, none of them would ever be able to make a living off their music, simply because of the nature of music, it is an art and if it resonates well enough with a number of people it naturally becomes popular - something which the punk movement is against. So I have always found punk rock to be an oxymoron in this sense. What I find quite amusing is bands like Rancid, Nofx all preaching the same sermon, but all the band members are making millions off a capitalist system they supposedly are against.
@@wretchedknave5740 Yes, punk has many contradictions... and about the "leaving punk sound behind", depends. I'm against preaching and elitism in punk, and everywhere else. But it's only natural that if you like the pure sound of punk rock, you won't like when the bands stray from that. All the more if you're a purist kid.
Another thing worth considering is, can a person listen to punk rock all his or her life? Won't he grow tired over time? After some dozens of albums and bands, you can separate the good from the meh. I can understand loving the great songs always, but in reality it's a simple sound, and after you've digged far enough, you only find meh bands. This is especially true since some bands have just limited to copy the sound that sold, like MBA says on the video.
Even if you weren't in to skate punk, EVERYBODY I knew had Dookie, Smash, and Stranger Than Fiction during this time.
Exactly
They were definitely my introduction to rock music!
I like how you reached way deep in the roots to How could hell......
but IMHO Suffer was the album that was the one, from start to end. Production, etc.
thx for the vid!
Man, I used to love Blink but they are the worst thing that ever happened to punk. You had this band masquerading as a skate punk outfit putting out immature, annoying music that got played EVERYWHERE. They were in all the teen comedies, they were on MTV 24/7 and people just got sick of them and the whole scene.
One thing I think you should have mentioned that helped keep the genre alive for a bit was the Tony Hawk Pro Skater series. If you were a kid with a PlayStation or Nintendo 64 in the late 90s, you played those games. Didn't matter if you were into skateboarding and punk music, you loved that series. And the soundtracks were incredible and got a lot of people listening to some great music
Mauler RL tony hawk pro skater was what got me into dead Kennedy’s suicidal tendencies and most importantly skating. Then from there it snowballed and I got into septic death and more obscure bands that no one even knows they existed.
Right? That was a pretty huge entry point for an entire generation, and it still doesn’t get mentioned much.
i agree, the fake punk got more exposure + was very bad + insincere. thats what fucked it up.. not like 10 individuals' attitudes.
I was gunna say, dead kennedies, primus, goldfinger, the vandals. All super sick bands that thps was able to help promote
Blinks not punk but ok
Im doing a project on the evolution of music in skateboard culture and when i cant find a good article i come to these video essays. Great video
8:42 I LOVE going to a grimy record stores in bad parts of town....
Same!
I was naturally just a jock but in 1995-1996 when I was in 5th/6th grade and I was one of those that pretended to skate. I did skate, just wasn't very good at it. I still love skate punk music to this day and always will. I honestly just think it's great music.
I think it was just evolution... I grew up in the 80s so I was exposed to a lot of pop... so I've always loved pop-fusion music, like melodic punk and hair metal (yes, you can maybe define it as "pop metal"...). It runs in the blood. As for the explosion, most people were part of it, as kids we were pretty vulnerable to fads. But who says you can't discover great things through a fad?
@@mickmars8319 Yeah it seems to work that way. The type of music that was popular during your teenage years seems to be music you will always enjoy.
LOL. That bathroom at 8:43 looks like the Burnt Ramen. I had the honor of playing the Burnt once.
I saw Green Day during their Dookie tour in '94 - Brixton, London. My over-riding memory of it was the people from the upper tier throwing plastic cups of piss down on us in the pit. Oh to be a dumb teenager again :)
props for the "Soulmate" video playing in the background at one point. RIP T.Sly!!
I still love those old bands and some still bring it like Pennywise and Bad Religion. Much love for praising Pulley and Propagandhi as well. Both of those bands are still much alive and kicking as both have recently dropped new albums.
When I think of Skatepunk I defenetely think of Millencolin, to me they were the definitve skatepunk sound, and not that Pennywise was not, it's just that Pennywise and Bad Religion were more into politics and social unrest that I never thought of them as Skate Punk. After some years of listening to Millencolin, when Blink 182 came out they didn't really impress me because I always thought they were kids compared to them. Nice videos, I really like them, I would really like to see a video about Crust Punk
The way I found this genre was a band called Frenzal Rhomb. They themselves weren't skate punk, but I found a vinyl of theirs and it was on Fat Wreck Chords. I liked it, so I looked more into the label, and now I miss skate punk so much.
No new skate punk bands?
To that I say check out Bird Attack Records.
Bands like Mute, Belvedere, The Human Project, Adrenalized, Counterpunch, Fair Do's, Forus, Local Resident Failure, The Decline, etc would counter you saying that skate punk is on life support. Now it's not the same as it was back in the mid 90's because kids who were into those skatepunk bands you talked about grew up and became much more talented musicians. So the music is a bit more technical as well as it evolving with other influences, but still remains true to the fast aggressive foundation skatepunk was built on.
Take Mute "The Raven" album released in 08. It's one of the best skatepunk albums from the late '00s but still holds up today. If you are reading this and are unfamiliar with Bird Attack Records or the bands I listed above, I implore you dig in and enjoy!
Yeah Bird Attack has some great bands. Some other good ones are Counterpunch, A Wilhelm Scream, and Forus. My top 'newer' skate punk bands.
Thank you. I discovered this comment randomly, and from what i hear so far im really looking forward to driving my car in the summer.
Forus local resident failure and belevedear and awesome skate punk bands
I didn't think punk was dead until just now. You killed it for me.
Now you have to listen to walmart country forever!
Oh no! Haha, like Keith Urban or Brett Houston?
I still wear Dickies shorts and Airwalks.
Ben Davis for me. that was huuuuuuge in the Bay Area skate/punk scene.
Does your hair have frosted tips too?
@@matttatts No. Never did.
Trying to bring all this back to my high school, frosted tips go well in 2019
Lol I'm 40 years old and that's seriously what I wore to work today. I try and class it up with a polo shirt though since I work in an office.
I feel like the main issue was that about the same time a bunch of our favorite skate punk bands started trying to cash in on the pop punk movement, the army of kids supporting that whole scene matured enough to realise that a whole bunch of other great music had been made whilst we were too punk to notice. We expanded our horizons and drifted away from what felt like a dead scene.I think that it could be due to explode again though, simply because all our children are growing up and starting to dig those old albums we've got kicking around. My 9 year old daughter just devours old NUFAN and F2F cd's, and has started pounding out power chords my old guitar, claiming she will play in a punk band when she grows up. For this reason punk will never stay dead, it just lies dormant waiting for the next generation of youth to make it theirs.
IMO, so long as Mute and Belvedere are still making music, skate punk isnt quite dead.
The Vandals is an awesome band! My personal favorite when I was a teenager.
The kids grew up. I'm 52 still listening to nofx pennywise limp biscuit ect. I'll never stop rocking my tunes till I die. 🏴
I'm 20 years old and I wish I was born in this era of music I love 90s skate punk, punk rawk in general there's nothing like it nowadays
No. You would be too old for space exploration. I wish I was your age.
You know, when I was a kid I was very hungry for lots of music, but I couldn't afford much, and at the start I didn't even have Internet.
If you care about this music just pursue it, there are tons of albums available all over the place, I've heard an infamous urban legend of "Smash" records in the dust bin... so you kick a stone and a punk album appears. If you don't like today's music you've got decades worth of music available. I know it's off-season, but if you love it, go for it. Maybe you can even have the same feelings we did when we listened to it back in the day. "Words fly but scripts stay", the Romans said.
You’re lucky because all the bands still play lives
Hell yes to Propagandhi! Hey, do you think you can do a video on folk punk?
Hell yeah! Punk O Rama cds were the best🔥💯
As I'm watching this I'm wearing my vans old schools and dickies shorts. Haha, no chain wallet though. Great video, suprisingly accurate. Pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Ha! Thanks man, appreciate it!
Jim Webster So you look normal today
Not sure about the states, but here in the uk, for the past few years we have had the fireball whiskey "fuelling the fire" tour with bands like face to face, mad caddies, flogging molly, anti flag and other skate and pop punk bands. While there are only one or two "new" bands that have been on the tour, there are loads of younger kids coming to the shows. I'm 33, and grew up racing motocross and watching the beginning of the freestyle mx scene, so this music is my childhood.the shows here are always packed, and I'd say at least half the crowd is younger than 22.whether that's them finding the music on their own, or finding it through parents who are also at the shows, I couldn't tell you. It's a great atmosphere for sure though :)
I got into punk from watching 90's surf and body board videos and then punk o rama cd's helped me find more sick bands from all over the world. I think the 90's punk scene and extreme sports were just a perfect fit so they rode the same wave together .. Both peaked around the same time xgames was pretty popular back then.. Both are not as popular now.
Eddie Vedder sings in the second verse of Bad Religions “Watch it die” on the Recipe for hate album.
Ok so love the video. Part of the reason why some of the og bands reacted the way they did is partly due to who they listened to . Most of them did not see themselves as skatepunk but rather just punk. I know from personal experience if I asked someone from the newer fans to name off a sex pistol song or any of the early punk bands and they did not answer quickly I would right them off as being a poser. Looking back that was wrong of me to do. So for alot of the old gaurd the stuff coming out in the early 2000s we considered it to be pop punk. Which was a no no for alot of us. Like I said nofx and the other considered themselves to be punk not skatepunk. The more pop sounding stuff was hard to consider as punk for alot of us. To the days blink 182 and other like them I still refuse to consider them as punk. Thier more pop rock .
2019 and Pennywise is as good as they ever were and they have a new album coming out next year
Luck_Ease-Charm Agreed. The last album was great.
Dude the keep cranking out great shit decades later
Ever listen to any Folk Punk? That could make for a good video. It's really been on a rise over the past 10 years thanks to bands like Johnny Hobo & the Freight Trains/Pat the Bunny, Against Me!, Mischief Brew, Days N Daze, etc.
I hear ya. this dude should do a video on folk punk/acoustic punk. It seemed as skate punk died down, a lot of those frontmen picked up the acoustic guitar and went solo. Whether it's Laura Jane Grace (Against Me!), Tim Barry (Avail), Chuck Ragan (Hot Water Music), Tony Sly (No Use For A Name), Joey Cape (Lagwagon), Dave Hause (The Loved Ones), Brendan Kelly (The Lawrence Arms) and Greg Graffin (Bad Religion). Ragan even started a "Revival Tour" which featured many of these artists. All of these guys sound incredible stripped down to their acoustics.
Totally. You could include ghost mice and plan it x record s, blackbird raum, ajj, railyard ghosts, etc... and even go back to the pogues, dead milkmen amd the violent femmes.
Jacksonville Florida loves Strung Out, Guttermouth, Unwritten Law, No Use, and Pulley for sure
Excellent video pretty much dead on! But Rancid was totally left out. They were one of the bigger punk bands from 94-2002.
Thanks! Left them out for the sake of keeping it somewhat brief and because they didnt have that nofx sound - but totally agree!
Got ya! Well- MDC got a shout out so this video more than passes the test! Good vids keep'em coming!
Ska punk, not skate punk. Add the horns their a straight Mighty Mighty Bosstones
JFA started in 78. I feel like they were the first skate punk.
6:37 The song “Anarchy Burger” is particularly insightful… especially with regard to proper Deli etiquette.
Fat Mike called me a "Good Charlotte fan" at Warped Tour 2004 when, upon walking through the parking lot with Eric Melvin and El Hefe, he saw me leaving before they played. I'd loved skatepunk since the sixth grade - NOFX especially - and hated Good Charlotte. I just had to be at work early the next day. Still, it wasn't a bummer and I thought it was pretty hilarious.
He gives everyone a fucking hard time, it's what makes him who he is. You can't ever take his shit talking personally.
@@chickensandbeandip Is this all you care about?? noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/6wqwn6/nofxs-fat-mike-lives-a-deep-sm-lifestyle
I still listen to this and I'm 14 fucking love it
AFI has gone through some serious changes (their new song Get Dark, 2018 is pretty good), but let's not forget they were at the core scene of skate punk in the mid 1990's. Answer that and stay fashionable.
They sure were!
I never really considered them skate punk, but now that I think about it, they were associated with a lot of skate punk bands. They were the band that introduced me to punk. I started with December Underground and worked backwards. 12 years later my taste has evolved and I mostly listen to the rawest, noisiest, crusty shit out there, I still find myself blasting their emo shit every now and then
@@Brian115 any punk band in California during the 1990's can be labeled as skate punk. When AFI's album Answer That and Stay Fashionable came out in 1995 Davey Havok and the rest of the crew were grinding their way through San Francisco; making them by definition skate punks. But as a gatekeeper elitist you can even say that skate/surf punk title could be reserved for SO-CAL punk bands only. Even with that being said and AFI being over a decade late to the skate punk scene their early albums were truly skate punk. They were equals among the best, such as Bad Religion, NOFX and Lagwagon. But by the time December Underground came around they were far from skate punk and that whole lovely scene of punk shows among the central and southern California coast that made skate punk so great was dead. With the exception of Numbskull keeping the concerts alive single handedly... I guess what I'm getting at is you had to be there to get it, and it sounds like you missed out.
Is that their first record? I love that one! They lost me after that... But im an "early stuff snob" i dont know why im like that....
@@tracybush1970 cuz the first albums are always filled with so much vigor and punk rock as a sound really capitalizes on the youthfulness.. AFI has great albums across their career even though they may have changed their sound to appeal to a new generation they still have some solid songs on every single album. Have you listened to Davey Havoks newest side band, Dreamcar? It's Davey with the band members from No Doubt. You gotta hear them.
I loved browsing the punk section at my local mom & pop record store back in the late 90's early 2000's. So many great bands. That record store is still thriving but their punk section which used to be about 20 feet long is now around 6 feet. It's too bad that the general public follows trends. On another note, my favorite punk band of all time, Bad Religion, has in 2018 become "woke" and their last two songs have been garbage. Yes, they we're always political but they never took sides or alienated half their fanbase with their lyrics or comments until now.
I feel like All's Mass Nerder was the grand finale of that era for me. It brought together everything I loved about skate-punk pushing that tight sound a little farther with all of that beautiful complexity built into those finger stretching riffs... Every time I saw them live though, I wanted to start smashing skulls because the crowd would just stand around like they were witnessing something lame.
If Fantano is melon head, then you're...strawberry head?
Breadfruit imo
The Punk Rock MBA Not gonna lie, had to Google that one. But, pretty accurate, good call.
NOFX sticking in my eye ! skatepunk autumn!
Fat Mike is the Lars Ulrich of punk.
David Kanengieter is the big gay
@@ralphie2142 don't drag the big gay into this
Except Mike is talented.
I got into this through my skater friends and watching snowboarding videos. And because after alternative radio began to go downhill after Kurt Cobain died, so I had to explore other more authentic options. A pivotal part of my teens.
Emo played a big role in killing skate punk/pop punk
Good call!
How can you probably talk about Skate Punk without talking about Suicidal Tendencies? At least you mentioned RKL for one second!
MXPX was another band I’d throw in there. Their early stuff was really rad, and they kind of evolved over the years so it’s really fun to listen to the progression.
MXPX was my punk gateway drug.
Jesus crap
Rancid, and out come the wolves. The only album not mentioned that really committed my taste to this kind of music. Great video.
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I was 15 when the first warped tour came to Australia in 1998 and we all skated and listened to all the skate punk bands and still listening to it now. Back then those warped tours were $40 a ticket to see 15 or so bands and a heap of pro skaters & BMX riders and they came to regional towns instead of just playing the big cities. Best times of my life and think I saw pennywise the most over the years. Some other Australian punk bands back are toe to toe and frenzal rhomb who played most of the warped tours
I'm loving these videos! Are we ever getting a video on folk punk? I think as far as punk conversations go it's left out a lot, and I'd love to learn more of the history.