I'm just now watching her old stuff and WOW. She was spot-on EVERY TIME. There are no comedians working now with her speed or timing. As a man I can say that if she had been born male she would have died a billionaire and probably not been as funny because she wouldn't have had to work as hard.
@mistersurrealist i MISS HER she was my fave besides Don Rickles... 2 of the funniest people I have ever watched and made me always laugh... I get them!!!!
Love or hate this woman she was a GENIUS! Queen of Comedy by 1000 miles. Like the Beatles were to music Joan was to comedy (effortless, organic pure consistent TALENT).
@@justafanintexas7913 NO -- not really--- Edgar really talked Joan in to the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ part of signing with another.. Joan was sick about this -- she knew this was not going to go well ... but her and Edgar had fights --discussions-- people telling her look she is getting more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$-- she ALLOWED the false sensations of being a Comedic Star-- to choose not so wisely---- REMEMBER -- those Studio Heads can be very persuasive.. and convincing.. AND she lost her true soul mate of comedy --- and that broke her spirit and heart--- and NOTHING worked out for her then... Live and learn...
Extremely prophetic. Which is why i'm reviewing her material. She spoke the truth, in a subtle way as well as fast delivery which flew over most peoples ability to hear what the real message was. And in the end they killed her for speaking the truth, another great american hero.
Nobody really knows why he stopped talking to her, even she never knew. I saw her go to his grave once and she was calling him a stubborn old son of a bitch and crying, talking to his headstone. She was sad because she never knew what his anger was really about. He never told anyone why.
@@michaelraymond5048 Johnny really adored Joan right from the start.. He was Impressed.. and she really made him laugh and he did say to her----YOU --ARE GOING TO BE A STAR''' Johnny ''intuitively knew it'''' -- they were SOUL MATES' in comedy ParaCastle... they connected .. but did not mindly understand that yet.. but as the years passed-- SHE was his best comedy medicine and gal. He had her in his secret place and she let him know how thankful SHE was for all his help in getting her to be where she was in the World of Famous Stars... He had it planned for Joan to take over when he retired and had it all set-- was going to surprise her with it-- A BIG HEART FELT SHOW '' was going down.. then...BAM!!--- he found some rumour that Joan signed --unbeknown to Johnny to another station-- THE REST IS HISTORY--- she broke his heart....and he never thought Joan would ever ever to something like this-- WITHOUT his approval.. and well wishings... well........between you and me--Joan would have been much much better had she settle for what Johnny had planned and tell Edgar --stay down.. and be not so greedy ---yet!!!!.....Once Joan had settle in to Johnny s Spot--- she could have asked the station for more $$$$$$$$$$$$.. and then HISTORY WOULD BE ALL DIFFERENT..
It was NOT jealousy, she went BEHIND his back and got her own show, never asked for his blessing, or said hey I have been offered my own show, what do you think? She guest hosted his show more than any body, she took a fatal misstep, and it cost her his friendship. He felt stabbed in the back, when she got around to calling him , he had already heard about it, & he hung up on her, they never spoke again. Johnny was a Scorpio, an astrological sign that values loyalty, and they hold a grudge for ever. If you cross them you are finished in their books.
@@michaelraymond5048 CArson was 11:30-12:30; the fox show was 11-12, whch cut into the tonight Show..Joan was good, so Johnny must have felt threatened..and i have no idea if they ever spoke again..sounds like they didn't.........
It is well known that Carson was Joan Rivers' mentor having had her on his show dozens of times going back to 1965 including occasionally guest hosting during his vacations. River credited her February 17, 1965 appearance as her breakthrough. Carson said to her on the air "you're gonna be a star". Watch some of other clips of her on Carson's show including when she was rather flat and you can see his mentorship--buoying her, feeding her straight lines, etc., In October 1986 long after Rivers had become a big success beyond her appearances on Carson's show, she was offered her own late night show on the newly formed Fox network. However she accepted the same time slot as Carson in direct competition with him. That is what Carson regarded as a betrayal of their personal friendship. I wonder if she has ever publicly explained why she accepted that time slot given their personal friendship. She does acknowledge she did not even tell him in advance about the offer from Fox to seek his blessing or consultation or even hear his opposition. This suggests to me she knew her decision to accept the offer would be problematic for their friendship. The show did not last even a year as she and her husband were both fired in May 1987. Three months later her husband committed suicide which she blamed on his "humiliation" by Fox. Apparently, Carson did not send condolences or attend the funeral. There appears to be shortcomings on both sides--her greed and his unforgiveness. It seems to me that the network was using her relationship with Carson for ratings and she fell for it. Carson in his unforgiveness banned her from his show and got his successors--Leno and O'Brien to do the same.
MAURICO2 if what you’ve said is correct, you are the only one that has given a balanced view of that in all the comments I’ve read upon this. You don’t seem to be shouting for either side, so you aren’t a fanboy, just someone stating a balanced opinion. Cheers for the info.
Who the hell is O'Brien? Leno And Fallon succeeded Carson. And Rivers betrayed Carson and their long-standing agreement. Don't feel the least bit sorry for her.
Adding that NBC/Carson strung Rivers along re renewing her appearance contract just before her taking the Fox deal which probably contributed to her decision. She likely felt that she was being disrespected at that point and therefore less concerned with hurting Carson's feelings. Wrongs on both sides unfortunately.
@@justafanintexas7913 How do you know there was an agreement? Was there a contract?? The old fart Carson seems like a bitter a-hole. If he didn't even reach out to her after her husband's susicide he was never a friend!
I have heard joan say she and johnny Carson had a falling out but i also think it was the people behind him that probably made up something and he believed it. Because you can see their relationship was good.
I ADORED them both-please send me Yr other recommendations other than Chapelle, Hicks, Kinnison, Carlin, Pryor (saw him live when he turned up unannounced..... Funniest night of my life). However, think Williams and Rivers opposites - Joan super concentration and she prepped, prepped, prepped ie answers prepped (masses of joke cards etc). Williams was ADHD + improv king. I ADORE TH-cam 4 the wonderful vids of the greats.... They keep me goin'
@@Jessica_Valerio Doon't forget another GREAT---- Don RIckles he too was fantastic... Now that I think of it---- I WOULD LOVE to have seen all 3 on the Carson Show -- once upon a time!
She always had a great fashion sense . She looks awesome here and that was hard to do in the 1970s
Joan was so crazy, funny and wonderful. I was laughing my ass off through the whole clip. So was Ann Margret.
To say that stuff in 1978 on TV!!! ❤️❤️❤️
It was greatest night show .
Joan was such a pioneer! No one can ever replace her! She is definitely missed!!
I'm just now watching her old stuff and WOW. She was spot-on EVERY TIME. There are no comedians working now with her speed or timing. As a man I can say that if she had been born male she would have died a billionaire and probably not been as funny because she wouldn't have had to work as hard.
Just brilliant. She was the life of the party. RIP Joan
I love when she cracks herself up
I think he trusted her more than anyone else on his show.
Classic. Her jokes never get old. She used that child birth joke on Wendy Williams in 2017 and it still worked. Timeless.
@mistersurrealist - Took the words right out of my mouth.
@mistersurrealist i MISS HER she was my fave besides Don Rickles... 2 of the funniest people I have ever watched and made me always laugh... I get them!!!!
She died in 2014, did you see a rerun in 2017?
Joan: "Last night we had sex he was doing push-ups and I slid in..." Cracking up!!
Love or hate this woman she was a GENIUS! Queen of Comedy by 1000 miles. Like the Beatles were to music Joan was to comedy (effortless, organic pure consistent TALENT).
And you forgot a back-stabbing sneak, too.
@@justafanintexas7913 NO -- not really--- Edgar really talked Joan in to the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ part of signing with another.. Joan was sick about this -- she knew this was not going to go well ... but her and Edgar had fights --discussions-- people telling her look she is getting more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$-- she ALLOWED the false sensations of being a Comedic Star-- to choose not so wisely---- REMEMBER -- those Studio Heads can be very persuasive.. and convincing.. AND she lost her true soul mate of comedy --- and that broke her spirit and heart--- and NOTHING worked out for her then... Live and learn...
Creepy how prophetic this is, foreshadowing her own death...and doctors with secret cameras.
Extremely prophetic. Which is why i'm reviewing her material. She spoke the truth, in a subtle way as well as fast delivery which flew over most peoples ability to hear what the real message was. And in the end they killed her for speaking the truth, another great american hero.
Foreshadowing her own death? Killed her? Would either of you be so kind as to enlighten me on this? I'm very interested (not being sarcastic.)
I was thinking the same thing. I'm thoroughly creeped out right now. Wow...
Allison Linner some people believe she was murdered after calling Michelle Obama a transvestite and criticizing the Israel -Palestine conflict
I love her outfit.
They would of made a great double act... They bounce off each other.. Hilarious.
Joan was the best!!!
there is no romance left, last time he was doing push ups, I slid in !
She was classy, classy goshhh... every decade!
I love the outfit. I'm on the fence with the shoes
Put the film in reverse, to see the kid go back in, lol!
She was so hilarious!
12-4-18 almost 40yrs later, it never gets old, one doctor to many. RIP
Too bad Carson had a huge falling out with Joan.
Only JOAN RIVERS
I miss her very much!She was the type of girl I wanted to marry !But alas I didn't have the money!LOL! Rest in Peace Joan!
That was one of her better hairstyles.
johnny really digged her once, to bad he let his jealousy ruin there friendship
Nobody really knows why he stopped talking to her, even she never knew. I saw her go to his grave once and she was calling him a stubborn old son of a bitch and crying, talking to his headstone. She was sad because she never knew what his anger was really about. He never told anyone why.
@@michaelraymond5048 Johnny really adored Joan right from the start.. He was Impressed.. and she really made him laugh and he did say to her----YOU --ARE GOING TO BE A STAR''' Johnny ''intuitively knew it'''' -- they were SOUL MATES' in comedy ParaCastle... they connected .. but did not mindly understand that yet.. but as the years passed-- SHE was his best comedy medicine and gal. He had her in his secret place and she let him know how thankful SHE was for all his help in getting her to be where she was in the World of Famous Stars... He had it planned for Joan to take over when he retired and had it all set-- was going to surprise her with it-- A BIG HEART FELT SHOW '' was going down.. then...BAM!!--- he found some rumour that Joan signed --unbeknown to Johnny to another station-- THE REST IS HISTORY--- she broke his heart....and he never thought Joan would ever ever to something like this-- WITHOUT his approval.. and well wishings... well........between you and me--Joan would have been much much better had she settle for what Johnny had planned and tell Edgar --stay down.. and be not so greedy ---yet!!!!.....Once Joan had settle in to Johnny s Spot--- she could have asked the station for more $$$$$$$$$$$$.. and then HISTORY WOULD BE ALL DIFFERENT..
It was NOT jealousy, she went BEHIND his back and got her own show, never asked for his blessing, or said hey I have been offered my own show, what do you think? She guest hosted his show more than any body, she took a fatal misstep, and it cost her his friendship. He felt stabbed in the back, when she got around to calling him , he had already heard about it, & he hung up on her, they never spoke again. Johnny was a Scorpio, an astrological sign that values loyalty, and they hold a grudge for ever. If you cross them you are finished in their books.
@@michaelraymond5048 CArson was 11:30-12:30; the fox show was 11-12, whch cut into the tonight Show..Joan was good, so Johnny must have felt threatened..and i have no idea if they ever spoke again..sounds like they didn't.........
It is well known that Carson was Joan Rivers' mentor having had her on his show dozens of times going back to 1965 including occasionally guest hosting during his vacations. River credited her February 17, 1965 appearance as her breakthrough. Carson said to her on the air "you're gonna be a star". Watch some of other clips of her on Carson's show including when she was rather flat and you can see his mentorship--buoying her, feeding her straight lines, etc., In October 1986 long after Rivers had become a big success beyond her appearances on Carson's show, she was offered her own late night show on the newly formed Fox network. However she accepted the same time slot as Carson in direct competition with him. That is what Carson regarded as a betrayal of their personal friendship. I wonder if she has ever publicly explained why she accepted that time slot given their personal friendship. She does acknowledge she did not even tell him in advance about the offer from Fox to seek his blessing or consultation or even hear his opposition. This suggests to me she knew her decision to accept the offer would be problematic for their friendship. The show did not last even a year as she and her husband were both fired in May 1987. Three months later her husband committed suicide which she blamed on his "humiliation" by Fox. Apparently, Carson did not send condolences or attend the funeral. There appears to be shortcomings on both sides--her greed and his unforgiveness. It seems to me that the network was using her relationship with Carson for ratings and she fell for it. Carson in his unforgiveness banned her from his show and got his successors--Leno and O'Brien to do the same.
MAURICO2 if what you’ve said is correct, you are the only one that has given a balanced view of that in all the comments I’ve read upon this. You don’t seem to be shouting for either side, so you aren’t a fanboy, just someone stating a balanced opinion.
Cheers for the info.
Who the hell is O'Brien? Leno And Fallon succeeded Carson. And Rivers betrayed Carson and their long-standing agreement. Don't feel the least bit sorry for her.
Adding that NBC/Carson strung Rivers along re renewing her appearance contract just before her taking the Fox deal which probably contributed to her decision. She likely felt that she was being disrespected at that point and therefore less concerned with hurting Carson's feelings. Wrongs on both sides unfortunately.
@@justafanintexas7913 How do you know there was an agreement? Was there a contract?? The old fart Carson seems like a bitter a-hole. If he didn't even reach out to her after her husband's susicide he was never a friend!
Female Rodney Dangerfield
A female RODNEY DANGERFIELD
Only one of the funniest comedians we've ever had, an icon. I miss Joan and Johnny so much
I'm sure the FCC had kittens. She was a STAR
Bummer they never talked again....after she tried her own show and unfortunately it didn't work out .
Dentist ruined my life.
I have heard joan say she and johnny Carson had a falling out but i also think it was the people behind him that probably made up something and he believed it. Because you can see their relationship was good.
It was solely because she was given a show on Fox opposite the Tonight Show. He was a vindictive bastard. He didn't need anyone to trick him.
@@dougrhonable - She violated a personal trust - and paid for it.
@@justafanintexas7913 he was a bitter old fart
Its work by night . . Its work by day. . What kind of ghost is that
,,,, Top Stuff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree.
Carson was so jealous that she had a huge crowd following her so he shut her out and shut her away he was horrible
Carson had a much bigger following then Rivers. If hers was bigger then why did it get taken off the air?
@@justafanintexas7913 Because she was competition. He was jealous. And it was personal. He was stupid.
EVIAN WATER.........naive?....evian===naive?
Her hair style is noice
She was the female Robin Williams!!
robin williams was the male joan rivers. she started earlier. 1965.
Very sad that they died within one month apart. It's still very shocking.
BETTER!
I ADORED them both-please send me Yr other recommendations other than Chapelle, Hicks, Kinnison, Carlin, Pryor (saw him live when he turned up unannounced..... Funniest night of my life). However, think Williams and Rivers opposites - Joan super concentration and she prepped, prepped, prepped ie answers prepped (masses of joke cards etc). Williams was ADHD + improv king. I ADORE TH-cam 4 the wonderful vids of the greats.... They keep me goin'
@@Jessica_Valerio Doon't forget another GREAT---- Don RIckles he too was fantastic... Now that I think of it---- I WOULD LOVE to have seen all 3 on the Carson Show -- once upon a time!
i thought she said ann, ann margaret?
Adrienne Berkman, Yep
Now sell that! meaning Mrs. Rivers Outfit!
what a patriot
1:08 Johnny has a cigarette hidden away!
8:02 What's happening? There's something funny, but I don't get it....
Ref 2:* meat + inflation = large meat. Allegedly Johnny Carson had very large member... Only old women such as myself know this (alas not personally)
@@dogsenseforu301 - Just ask Angie Dickinson - he was pounding her for years.
LOLLLLLLLL!!! LMBO! LMFO!
OMG IS THAT MADELINE KAHN ???
It is Ann Margret I just clued in .
Carson is a bastard for letting her go
He shut her out after she got her own network. She left him. Followed her heart and rised above.
You couldn't have the number of wives Carson had and still be a nice guy - it just wouldn't make sense.
@@jasonstreet_art before she got her network** and she had to start from the ground up after he ruined her career
She screwed herself by going behind his back - and she paid for it big time, just as she should have.
@@esmediamond - She ruined it herself by being a sneak.