I'm the only person in my area of the world who loves the 13 trilogy. Not going to lie it's confusing and each game had it's own theme and even lore that kept evolving. But the gameplay and the complicated story is very intriguing. It's a trilogy I've been wanting to revisit
I enjoyed it. The trailers in 09 had me hooked, however, 13-2 ended up being my first. Before that the only other FF I played was the demo to FF12 that came with DQ8. I probably wouldn't revisit it though, looking back, those games took a lot of time to beat, especially the first two lmao. I just watch the 4K upscaled trailers and CGI cutscenes now sprinkled with a little bit of FF13 reviews/retrospectives.
Thank you. Someone who finally knows what they're talking about with this game. I loved this trilogy, and you gave it justice with a clear concise summary. Great work man.
+Oni Black Mage But the 13 trilogy has used 2 battle systems. One is the paradigm shift system which was literary flawless in 13-2 and the other is the schemata system in 13-3...
+Oni Black Mage i saw ffxiiilr and it intreaged me so i got it (my first final fantasy) and i love the time concept and the combat system seems better then the old once in my opinion and its actsuly pretty bigg envoirements but i dont like games being to open i need to know what to do i had no prob bout that in this game and the Bosses was hard and needed strategy and i love that im now at bonovelza so yeah cool vid BTW keep going :D
That ending gave me the feels 😂 I just wish there was a longer epilogue scene with the entire gang at Serah and Snow's wedding. And what happened to Mog and the eidolons?
Having vanille and fang as bridesmaids woulda been cute (seeing sahz in a tux woulda been nice, and snow either with a haircut or tied back in a ponytail)
+Heinrich Everson IKR??? but nooooo since Motomu "I want to marry Lightning" Toriyama wants us all to imagine what could've been a perfect reunion of the cast.
yeah, watching these made me realize how awesome this story actually is. Even though I still can't really keep up with what's going on 100%. The connections between revelations in the sequels being the causes of the entire problems in the prior games are going over my head as well as how it seems that every single thing the main characters try to prevent at the start of each game they wind up causing themselves, despite the fact that every time they do this, its always somehow still in opposition to the bad guy? So in the end of the first two games or something neither the bad guys OR the good guys get there way? Ah well, shame, this whole story seems really cool but god damn it was poorly executed. I couldn't even bring myself to finish the first XIII. Lost motivation and understanding during the fight with Barthandelus in Oerba or whatever.
yeahthatsright33 Square really bit more than than they could chew on this one. I think they were hoping FFXIII would be the next big thing like FFVII was. Now they're putting all the eggs in FFXV hopefully this one works out for them..
Marc Galvan we can only hope, although no lie I don't think its going to be what they want it too either. I'm not saying it will be bad, but its just been so long and honestly still looks bland to this day compared what they had originally planned. I hope I'm wrong.
I just want to say that your video was fantastic. I played Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2, beating them both. I played Lightning Returns only for about 1/2 of it, and then my ps3 broke. I never got a new one. Today I was thinking about this game and searched for this video, and boy and I glad it existed. Thanks so much for a great video
If Vanille performed the Soulsong and purged the old souls, "cast off" the shackles of regret and sin, who's saying that new shackles won't be forged in Bhunivelze's new world? New sins will be created, new regrets formed, new sadness born. Therefore, why not indeed save the old souls currently trapped in the Sea of Chaos? I guess that's the central message behind this game; you can mess around with a lot of things, but you never, ever mess around with people loved by others, genuinely, innocently, and purely loved by others. PS The mythos of the game was inspired by Shinto Buddhism, NOT Scientology!
I played all 3 when they came out and just watched all 3 of your summaries back to back. You truly gave this trilogy justice and made it very easy to follow finally. Such an epic story, it's a shame more people can't appreciate the story of the 3 games due to how poorly it was conveyed across 3 games. But now in retrospect I see how much care was put into the overarching story.
Absolutely love your clear and concise buttery voice explaining the whole trilogy. I absolutely love this game and your video just made me love it even more. Just earned yourself a subscriber :)
Love these recaps! People always say the story of the XIII games is convoluted and doesn't make sense, yet here you make it all seem so simple. Hell, I'm a little sad that I've spoiled it before getting around to playing this trilogy.
@@tonyknighton4019 No, thats not true at all. There is more to games than story. And KH1 still had a decent story. The big problems started in 2 and BBS in terms of Story. 2 improves on 1 in a lot of gameplay areas so it still does a good job. The series has been riding off the hype started by 1 and 2.
Lightning, the women who overcame god. Shulk, the man who overcame god. Both became gods themselves. Both decided to live in a world without gods. Both reborn a new. See the parallels between The Xenoblade Chronicles and The Final Fantasy 13 triology?
I played Xenoblade, yet I still couldn't understand how did Shulk get his power to overcome the Bionis God. As for Lightning, simply put, she's Frankenstein's Monster and Bhunivelze is the mad scientist. On top of that, she possessed the power of the dead, of the Sea of Chaos, an entity of unknown origin whose power overwhelms the living realm's gods, including Bhunivelze. If you must, you can say that this story is like Xenoblade, but with improvements that allow the story of tormented mortals who rebel against evil gods to make more sense.
@@pendragon0905 *spoilers for a 8 year old game* The reason why Shulk became a god is the same reason why Zanza became a god originally, due to Alvis' Aegis powers he gave Zanza and Meyneth his powers to borrow his powers
wow, this was really confusing. It really does sound like over the top fan fiction. but if i had to sum it up i would just say the main question or theme in this game would be " what would you do if you could start all over?". this game explores that. many people want to start over but they don't really want to lose their memories of what happened or what it means to be themselves. also who you ask that question to, you would get different reactions which makes the end boss fight interesting. if you ask God what he would do he might very well say back " i would do it without you. you were a mistake" it's a pity the story is so obtuse and convoluted because the core themes are really meaty for a good story that could definitely cover 3 games if this trilogy was actually planned.
My favorite comment here. Well worded and glad to hear someone I agree with. Part of me wants to and does love these games, but the execution seems to be an inexcusable disservice to the themes and drama they try to evoke.
Well.. thanks for making this RECAPitation trilogy. I have played and completed FF13 1 and 2, but not Lightning Returns (which I still intend to do). Seeing the full story, I would say that the story is indeed great and the ending gave me the feels, and a sense of satisfaction. As always, many thanks Oni Black Mage. Your channel seriously needs more subs and views! Your content is truly amazing!
You did a wonderful job in recounting the plot of this game. Despite your efforts though I have no idea what happened. Someone should let Square know that just because there is a lot to say doesn't make it complex, it can make it confusing. It seems that with each game they release they want to add more and more to the story by hammering in more words half of which they created on the spot. One day I wish Square would have a live reading of one of their game's plot summaries. I just want to see peoples reaction to what has been said as its read aloud like a book and see if anyone could actually make a connection to it. The look of confusion and a camera sways across the audiance.
I know I'm 4 years late to this comment, but I really don't understand people who complain about the 13 trilogy being complicated. It really isn't, people just suck at paying attention. The games are as complicated as say ff7 or 8
Numbers don't tell the whole story. Sequels/prequels seem to do poorly across the history of FF games as fans cling to a base installment, regardless of the quality of thr game. I would argue the 13 trilogy got better as it went on, gameplay-wise, and Crisis Core was a much better product than FF7, but the core fanbase won't bother to play them, much less compare them. Just stick to what you like and ignore the numbers. (and keep in mind most RPGs don't even sell 1 million units)
+Oni Black Mage I see thanks for your response, im currently playing 13-2 but i think the whole time travel thing is comfusing. I cant figure out how to unlock new worlds and progress. Im stuck :P FF13 was my very first final fantasy game and it gripped me, the story and characters are top notch to me. One of my favorite games ever.
+Viggevire I am like you :D, but I played FF 13 back in 2012. FF 13 was my first FF game, now I am playing the entire series. As for the FF 13 saga, 13-2 in my favorite out of the trilogy. I platinumed the game because I liked it, and to be honest I didn't like 13-3 that much. I don't know maybe the time limit bothered me or the final boss difficulty that is insane, as it makes you to play the new game plus to just have a chance to defeat the boss.
Thanks for straightening this game out! I really enjoyed this game, and Lightning is one of my top favorite protagonists of the franchise. I really like 13, hate 13-2, and LOVED Returns.
U earned a sub for sure. I've binge watched your Final Fantasy "recapitation" videos and they are really good and u definitely know your FF stories. While I've played them all multiple times, there were still things I missed and u do a good job at explaining even the most convoluted plots of FF which isn't an easy task.
AMAZING PRESENTATION! Well thought out, concise and perfectly scripted,you sir earned yourself a subscriber! I absolutely love how you stayed on topic and in the 2nd and 3rd person, allowing the explanition to be fully understood and easily memorable. As a fan/enemy of this practicular franchise, it is hard to find people who talk about this game without unbiased negative criticisms who delve off topic. My personal journal with the XIII trillogy was love/hate: hated the first game because of how angtsy everyone was and (my personal opinion) how fast paced the character developement was. I can't deny that the gameplay and graphics were both perfect and georgous, it was just the story aspect as a whole that made me wanna die...yup... XIII-2's announcement made me shake my head with disapointment after Final Fantasy XIII's bombshell of a terrible game; I really want to stress that part - dispite the many pros that outweigh the cons, I personally feel that XIII's many amazing aspects were smothered in its terrible story. It's just my personal prefrence, but I won't lie, I had really high expectations of this game. And they crushed. Like bad. So hearing about XIII-2 made me bashed and rage towards the game and the like...then I bought the Collector's Edition. As a fan of Tetsuya Nomura and Nobue Uematsu, just hearing them in the developement process made me dish out $80. I would like to point out that that I will worship the very ground they walk on and would kill in their name so they desire it, that I swallowed my pointless pride and watch all of the promotional trailers and the behind the scene videos...and man was I blown away! Every little thing about the game I thought I would have a gripe with was sqaushed when they addressed the numerous things they were changing and adding. So in the months leading up to its release, I was anxious to play it! And man oh man I was blown away with orgasms; Final Fantasy XIII-2 was the best game I had ever played since 2012. Improved gameplay and amazing story, I just fell in love with characters like Serah, Noel and Caius. They were so well written that I couldn't believe I was liking the man that I am supposed to stop. If I hated a character, it was because they did something I legitemately hated and would personally bother me. The music was just phenomonal as well. Just listen to the soundtrack and you will see what I mean. AND OH MY GOODNESS THE ENDING WAS JUST A HUGE MIDDLE FINGER, that I demanded a seqeul be made! Then Lightning Returns! ... Hmmm... Funny story, I was so captivated with this series that I bought its limited edition controller, collector's edition strategy guide and downloaded a crap ton of FFXIII related hentai in expectation of this game, that I actually waited two years after of this game's release just to play it! More on that later.
LMFAO the part where you said "downloaded a crap ton of FFXIII related hentai" made me laugh harder than I should've that was sooo random out of your entire summary thats why it was funny, BUT so out of all the female chars in the FFXIII related hentai who is the best? Serah? Lightning?
i might me late to know tha game and its story, after i watched all summaries of the trilogy.i was too emotional deep inside me especially in the ending where lightning steps out of the train and her last words to hear "We'll Meet Again", even tho they couldn't see each other again, She Was Smiling 😢. I Can't, I Just, All i can do is.. *Claps, Claps* This Game.. This Game.. Will Never be forgoten. 'You will always be in our hearts, Claire
So in an incredibly roundabout way, the ending of Lightning Returns is a theory for the creation of our world. This game is weird, but hot damn I love this ending.
the english version has so manny mistranslation bheunivelse after killing hope absorbed his soul wich gained him emotions and poseesed his body so he can walk among humans with hope as vessel but it created a romantic obsession with lightning because he absorbed hope and so he seeks to purge humans from chaos and walk among them by using hope so he can understand emotions also he kidnapped him 168 years ago because he was leader of humanity and became real close on how to reverse the effect of chaos so people can have children he was lurec to the ark by a phantom he taught it was lightning all so the luxarian church be made later
They weren't going to remain under the reign of someone more powerful than them who would use such power to rob them of their right to live. I think it's a good ending for this story.
u should do the Xeno series, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona Wild Arms, Tales of, and Dragon Quest series. I know these aren't easy things to ask but that would be awesome
wow this is some amazing work dude :O I luckily got most of the story, as i played the games several times, but this deffo helps a lot to put it into perspective :D Amazing work, keep it up. Also, despite what people say i loved entire FF XIII trilogy, the story was amazing if you look at it from a bit afar :D
If someone asked me what trilogy to play of the ff games I'd say this one, if some one asked me a game, ffx. (ffx-2 sucked in history compared most final fantasies). But this trilogy has a really good history. I only played the ff13-2, but I've seen all movies for the other two, and God, was I crying in this ff LR... So many emotional parts... :)
Ai sim, se és tão inteligente, então vê lá se consegues ler isto. Hvis du kan så må du gerne drille mig. Go clever boy, tell me what i told you on 2 of the other 3 languagues i speak over english ;) Dont use google translate, it usually sucks :D
I played FF13 and Ff13-2 but never got Lightning Returns. Thanks for the summary. Pity they had to bring time travel into the plot which IMO messed up everything.
Wait! If the new world was one similar to our earth, then my headcanon is that Lightning modeled for Louis Vuitton in this new life of hers! That commercial she starred in in the Spring-Summer of 2016 isn't so impossible all of a sudden.
13:40 can we just take a time to praise how gorgeous and detailed looks lightning design... Compared to the crappy, almost non Antialiased design that npc has..?
So the lifestream gets created at the end of this game, it's official FF13 is canon to FF7 lore. PS. Lightning becomes Genova because of her new soul killing job.
A type of Drug called ba'polfi made from a secret organization la'proro's second division called ba'proro with the aim to resurrect mo'fifi by collect the ga'toto within all of us
Oh my goodness.. What a story! When I completed FFXIII I had no idea this would be the direction the story went in.. I heard bad things about FFXIII-2 / 3 but this seems like a very complete story. I didn't know all the characters from the original made cameo appearances! And a happy ending as usual.. Just awesome. (:
i cried when the eidolons left i was like " NO MY PETS ARE GING TO BECOME ANIMALS OR HUMANS NOW AND NOT BADASS DEMI GODS :(" but this trilogy was awesome even if it wasnt very necessary
I think people sometimes take video game logic to seriously. The point was that ending was pretty epic. The only problem with this series was that the first game was a bit to linear and yet even so the games story was still pretty damn interesting. Then people want to give shit on 13-2 all because they still have ill will against the first game. Personally 13-2 was my favorite from the 13 series. Its a grand trip.
Indeed! I think the person who made the FF XIII trilogy was Caius, as in if he hadn't messed up the Previous World, Lightning and her friends wouldn't be free from the Gods.
The game doesn't need to be epic on a stupid scale to be good. When you throw epic shit for "epic reasons like rule of cool" the actual storytelling suffers. Almost every JRPG becomes stupid at the point where they are killing gods. Instead of the ultimate enemy being god they could actually encourage the writers to make a good plot twist. Some Shin Megami Tensei games do it well because the entire game revolves around mythical religious creatures, so it's not out of place.
+Sjono It was supposed to be. XV was original 13 versus and it would take place in the new world. However, this changed and XV became an entirely new game, storywise. In fact, things like Etro might not even make an appearance any more.
+♞ Go Fuck Yourself ♞ It never was in the same world -__- it just uses the same base mythology. FFXV will still use the same mythology BUT will not use the terminology(i.e Fal'cie) . Etro is in the logo of XV btw
The only thing I wanted in this game was for serah to live. And convoluted as it was, and rollercoaster-ed as it was made, it delivered. Therefore, I'm content.
Wow... the first FF XIII sold 7 millions... FFXIII-2 sold 3 millions, while Lighting Returns sold only 1 million? People REALLY didn't liked this trilogy... which is a shame, as it had an interesting story, but poorly executed.
It had a great story, but it was expensive and time consuming for some. People don't stay young forever and peoples lives can change dramatically in those periods of time. Like maybe when FF13 came out, some were still in high school or younger. Then FF13 lightning returns, maybe a lot of kids went into military, joined college, or hit a financial struggle or many other factors. But I feel it was all pre planned to be 3 parts, they probably actually already all 3 parts ahead of time and just released then separately on purpose for money. I mean they are technically doing that right now with FInal Fantasy 15 with the DLC updates.
This happens with all trilogies, whether it's games or movies. The second and third always sell less and less. Usually, it is around 1/3 of the previous game. Just look at the World of Warcraft expansions or ff4 after years, ff7 spinoffs, X-2 etc it's always the same pattern and has nothing to do with FF13 in particular.
Wow, I now want to play this trilogy. I feel like I missed out on this train as I only played through the first 13 game. Was too broke to play the others lol
My honest question to the entire FFXIII community is "Why do you enjoy this series??" I just spent an hour and half trying to wrap my mind around this series, and truthfully I cannot comprehend why people enjoy this game. This is my own perspective and I by no means expect everyone to share my views. The pros to this series are: setting (absolutely gorgeous), and maybe character development? I say "maybe" because from start to finish the characters in the series change and grow into likeable characters...however the driving force behind these changes is imo it's greatest flaw. Cons: this convoluted story!!! Omg the amount of bs and stringy plot in this entire series makes me want to vomit. At least give me a general theme?! "People who challenge fate?" I have no idea why things are happening in this series. Even after watching a great recap series which explains the story, I cannot find any basis to why anyone would enjoy these games other than; ooh pretty graphics and Lightningiscool
It's a different experience, and a further exploration into the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos. Certainly my least favorite of the 13 series, but I am not nearly as hard on it now, with a few years to look back and consider the game.
This game may not have alot of fans but I acrually enjoyed it, mainly the idea of it. It's concept with Lightning was really interesting and I ended up losing count of how many times I beat it and finished all the extra content and the hard bonus content. It may not have been executed well but if they would've actually spent some time to flesh everyrhing out in a deeper way it could've been something special.
18:10 - 18:30 I don't get it. According to the Fabula Nova Crystallis Mythology short that was released before FFXIII-2 and way before Lightning Returns, it specifically stated that the creation of humans were solely done by Etro and Lindzei was never shown or mentioned having any part of it. Why the sudden retcon?
DenisK21 Okay, I did some research to see if I was wrong or not, because I do recall the short being released before FFXIII-2 (I used to be an avid fan of FFXIII until FFXIII-2 release), which is true; The short was released in January 18, 2011, 11 months before FFXIII-2 release. Fragments After was released in June 21, 2012, a year after the short's release which would give it enough time for the sudden recon. The reason why you think the short was released after Fragments After is because if you look up the short on TH-cam you will see they were released around 2014, but that's because they are reuploads. The original was taken down for of copyright reasons (besides, the earliest reupload I could find is a german sub version of the short, which was uploaded in 2013.)
Anna R I see. Still, it's not really a retcon either way. It would be a retcon if they suddenly said "It was actually Lindzei who did all the work and Etro had nothing to do with it". What's been established hasn't been altered, but expanded.
the story was great..but the only thing i stop playing lightning returns is the limited days..time craving is what i dont want to play in a game specially final fantasy..i always love to grind hours and hours since final fantasy 7 up to 13-2..
That put me off from it when I first played it but as I went through the story, I found I had more than enough time to do everything, all optional stuff included. The last three or four days of the game were so boring for me because I had done basically everything (except kill all of the "Last Ones" in the game). I really thought I'd be pressed for time since there is a real time hack to meet and it was my first time playing. I was not in anyway pressed for time. Also, I'm the guy that averages 60-90 hours on a game advertised as a 40 hour game.
On a sign note did anyone notice how the first FF13 game went 7 million copies being sold worldwide, the second FF13-2 went for 3 million copies worldwide, to this one only going for 1 million copies worldwide. Coincidence I think Not.
This game was, and still is, on of the most underrated and missunderstood games in the whole Final Fantasy franchise. The whole Fabula Nova Crystallis is absolutely underrated to be frank. I never thought the games are bad, I don't know why so many people seem to dislike them. I can see why FF13 was a bit controversal because of it's more linear approach, I think if they made clear, that this is going to be a 3 game saga people might have understood that this was heavy story driven. FF13-2 fixes a lot of these "issues" and was, in my opinion, one of the best games in the FF Universe I ever played - and I played A LOT of them. It's also the onyl FF game I went for 100% completition right away because it was so much fun, it never felt boring or anything like that. When 13-3 was announced I was 100% sure to get and play it, 13-2 convinced me that it's going to be a good game and I wanted to know how the saga ends. Over time more details were reveald and I people started to argue if it will be any good because of it's "time limit" and the fact that you fight alone and all that stuff. I had some doubts myself to be honest but as a huge FF fan I would buy and play it anyway so I did stop listen to people who just don't want to like it. When it came out and I first started to play it, it was VERY different, I had mixed feelings about it, however after a while you realize that the "time limit" isn't a real threat. The combat system on the other side ... how can I say it, it's not for everyone. You play as 3 characters in one, that's the closest I can describe it in a short manner. It took me several hours to really understand the mechanics to the point that I knew what I was doing, from there it took several more hours to "master" the combat system to a point where I felt confident enought to beat the late game quests. Once you reach that point, the game really makes a lot of fun, it's a fresh, new and fast playstyle but it could also get very exhousting, the final battle goes on forever and you have to be almost perfect to beat it. But it was fun in the end and the conclusion of the story and the entire saga was worth every button meshed during that fight ...
Just curious...Tales of Symphonia pronounced Yggdrasil Igg-DRAH-sill. Was wondering if there was a reason why it was pronounced differently here. Great video!
When I see different games pronounce the same word different ways, like Yggdrasil, Mana, Ouroboros, Bahamut, Magus/Magi ... I have long concluded that as long as it's consistent within THAT game, it's the correct pronunciation for THAT game (because its a fantasy game and they don't have to spell or say things normally) So, I will usually go for THAT game's pronunciation of a word instead of how it is in the real world (ex: FF12 says Marquis "Mar-kwiss" rather than the normal "Mar-Kee") so I just roll with it. I also find there are a Lot of people either unaware of that trend, or unwilling to compromise and pronounce a word differently than normal (the worse among them try to insult me over it without referencing back the game).
***** I honestly forgot. I played ToS first, and much more often, than I did Lightning Returns...probably just stuck with me. Good point with Marquis, though. To be perfectly fair, apparently BOTH pronunciations of Yggdrasil are acceptable, via the Wikipedia page's IPA. Again, great work! I've really grown to appreciate your summaries. Interesting nostalgia trips for longer than average drives home.
So why did Etros revive the main characters from their crystal state at the end of XIII? They saved Cocoon from falling, the bad Fal'Cie are dead, humanity is safe and can continue to do the bidding of the gods, and chaos is contained. XIII-2 and Lightning Returns exist specifically because the characters were released from chrysallis, but what was the point?
The FFXIII Saga is a result of over-complicating a story that was already complex; it doesn't mean the story is bad by any means. As a matter of fact, Caius is considered as one of the best antagonist in any video game series because of his character progression in XIII-2 and his clear goals, saving his love. The saga was more of Square testing waters for how games can be interpreted and how they should continue on with the FF series. They were appealing to a much more adult audience of the series, those who grew up with the first Final Fantasy rather than FFVII+. Why I say this? The concept of crystals. Crystals didn't play much an important role after 6 and was later revisited in 9, but was ultimately dropped for reasons. They tried to bring back the concept of crystals in FFXIII, which wasn't bad at all, it just was different from the FF series that most people grew up with. Ultimately, most people got lost in the transcripts of the story, but in reality, this is how original FF games were like... very weird and complicated stories. But just because they are complicated and different doesn't make it terrible as many are making it sound. This series isn't really that hard to follow, it just has a lot more going on at the same time. For starters, FFVII was very plain and simple, Cloud must stop Meteor essentially. In FFXIII, we have a group of warriors trying to fight their way outta of a destiny that they didn't choose, but by a god. Sure FFVII can get deep, but that deepness was stirred by Crisis Core. You see where I am gonna go with this? Essentially, we, fans of FF, screwed over ourselves. The FFXIII saga is such a big fuck you to everyone because we wanted something more than they can give us. We wanted an awesome story, but with great gameplay. But.... it's just really hard to do something like that. Sure you can argue that many games do this, but I guarantee you will find a flaw in that game that will distract it from either the story or gameplay; not talking about technical issues like bugs or hardware issues btw. Most games nowadays, if not all, try to focus on one thing at a time, the FFXIII saga tried to do all, it had an amazing combat system EVERY SINGLE ONE, (Of course this is subjective, but it's generally considered all 3 had a good combat system.) but it fell short in terms of story-design. In short, I don't think the FFXIII saga was a failure, but it was a product of the fans. I really feel anybody should play these games if you are a RPG fan and try to play through it with a fresh outlook. The FFXIII Trilogy is NOT a bad saga, but suffers in the needs of what current generations of gamers want.
Everyone talks about how the first one sold this much, the second one sold that much, and the third one sold this much. I'm sure games now days, such as RPG genres, are dying slowly. Gaming have changes a lot compared to back then. Not to mention, this new generation (majority) plays a lot of online/phone app. RPG genre games are dying slowly. IMO at least.
There's a lot to follow here and LR was my least favorite of the XIII series. But, I finished it and enjoyed it for the most part. The battle system took a minute to get used to and I wish I could've had more than just Lightning throughout the game. But all in all, I was happy to have completed it. Some of the battles in LR were pretty challenging, to say the least. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a storyline that defies fate, ""God," and correcting time paradoxes. The story could have been a little easier to follow though because I wasn't always sure of what was happening or the significance of certain events.
That's what Tetsuya Nomura does. When he makes a game, the overall plot is fine. But when he decides to make a bunch of sequels out of it, the plot will quickly become a huge mess. That's exactly what happened with the FF13 and Kingdom Hearts series: They both started out with fine and straightforward stories, but then the sequels happened and the stories got very complicating. He just lives with creating complicating stories.
Anna R maybe the reason was to get as many profit as he could. He once said that it takes much money to develop 3D games like FF 13. He need that to satisfy the BOD and the investors.
Anna R actually all Tetsuya Nomura did for the Final Fantasy 13 trilogy was drawn and design the characters. He did little to none with the games plot. Thats all on Motomu Toriyama.
Next up: Final Fantasy XIII - Lightning's Desk Job
Broshmosh lmao
lol
Her boss is a douche form of Bhunevelza
nah she modeling for louis vuitton now gettin big boy bucks
You mean Final Fantasy Hope's misadventures
I'm the only person in my area of the world who loves the 13 trilogy.
Not going to lie it's confusing and each game had it's own theme and even lore that kept evolving. But the gameplay and the complicated story is very intriguing.
It's a trilogy I've been wanting to revisit
I enjoyed it. The trailers in 09 had me hooked, however, 13-2 ended up being my first. Before that the only other FF I played was the demo to FF12 that came with DQ8. I probably wouldn't revisit it though, looking back, those games took a lot of time to beat, especially the first two lmao.
I just watch the 4K upscaled trailers and CGI cutscenes now sprinkled with a little bit of FF13 reviews/retrospectives.
This is a crime! You deserve way more views than this. Your summary is beautiful; I really appreciate that you made this video. Thank you so much.
The game's lack of popularity is to blame.
+Eezyj yes i am gona get hate but its my fav FF and the one i found most intrsting
+Shadow Dragon55 i'm guessing that you haven't played most of the FF games. Either that or you're too young to deal with the old FF graphics.
Shadow Dragon55 I do too
+Eezyj the stories just too complicated to grab... that's the reason of the unpopularity :p
Thank you. Someone who finally knows what they're talking about with this game. I loved this trilogy, and you gave it justice with a clear concise summary. Great work man.
Speaking personally, the 13 trilogy has my hands-down favorite battle system for the franchise.
+Oni Black Mage But the 13 trilogy has used 2 battle systems. One is the paradigm shift system which was literary flawless in 13-2 and the other is the schemata system in 13-3...
+Oni Black Mage i saw ffxiiilr and it intreaged me so i got it (my first final fantasy) and i love the time concept and the combat system seems better then the old once in my opinion and its actsuly pretty bigg envoirements but i dont like games being to open i need to know what to do i had no prob bout that in this game and the Bosses was hard and needed strategy and i love that im now at bonovelza so yeah cool vid BTW keep going :D
a sumari that didn't healp to make sence to this narrative mess.
@@jackblades90 what mess
That ending gave me the feels 😂
I just wish there was a longer epilogue scene with the entire gang at Serah and Snow's wedding. And what happened to Mog and the eidolons?
+Heinrich Everson There's a novella released which explains everything.
Having vanille and fang as bridesmaids woulda been cute (seeing sahz in a tux woulda been nice, and snow either with a haircut or tied back in a ponytail)
+Heinrich Everson
IKR??? but nooooo since Motomu "I want to marry Lightning" Toriyama wants us all to imagine what could've been a perfect reunion of the cast.
@@arvinjay336 LOL the way toriyama saw lightning someway too creepy
@@TifaLosthart Yep hahah
The mythos was pretty compelling for ff13 saga it was just the execution that really let it down.
yeah, watching these made me realize how awesome this story actually is. Even though I still can't really keep up with what's going on 100%. The connections between revelations in the sequels being the causes of the entire problems in the prior games are going over my head as well as how it seems that every single thing the main characters try to prevent at the start of each game they wind up causing themselves, despite the fact that every time they do this, its always somehow still in opposition to the bad guy? So in the end of the first two games or something neither the bad guys OR the good guys get there way?
Ah well, shame, this whole story seems really cool but god damn it was poorly executed. I couldn't even bring myself to finish the first XIII. Lost motivation and understanding during the fight with Barthandelus in Oerba or whatever.
yeahthatsright33
Square really bit more than than they could chew on this one. I think they were hoping FFXIII would be the next big thing like FFVII was. Now they're putting all the eggs in FFXV hopefully this one works out for them..
Marc Galvan we can only hope, although no lie I don't think its going to be what they want it too either. I'm not saying it will be bad, but its just been so long and honestly still looks bland to this day compared what they had originally planned. I hope I'm wrong.
yeahthatsright33
I have the same feeling. Were on the sme mindset.
a possitive coment abut this game that i can actualy agree? MADNESS!
this plot... omg... what. who wrote this!?
i dont know so much stupid repeats im glad final fantasy 15 is different in story and setting and not a spin off of final fantasy 13
Housin Engi yeah but at least this crappy game was consistent in the plot. FFxv story is a dissaster in every aspect :(
Very Kingdom Hearts-like.
ff15 is set in the same universe though
It's not ... originally when it was versus-13 it was going to be part of the same Fabula Nova Crysallis multiverse but they changed it
I just want to say that your video was fantastic. I played Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2, beating them both. I played Lightning Returns only for about 1/2 of it, and then my ps3 broke. I never got a new one. Today I was thinking about this game and searched for this video, and boy and I glad it existed. Thanks so much for a great video
So after watching all of these, you mean to tell me FF13 series has basically been the origin story of scientology but in video game form???
+t ru More or less, yes.
oh my god. im dead. I fucking hated these games. and this is the perfect way to put it. holy fuck im reeling
If Vanille performed the Soulsong and purged the old souls, "cast off" the shackles of regret and sin, who's saying that new shackles won't be forged in Bhunivelze's new world? New sins will be created, new regrets formed, new sadness born. Therefore, why not indeed save the old souls currently trapped in the Sea of Chaos? I guess that's the central message behind this game; you can mess around with a lot of things, but you never, ever mess around with people loved by others, genuinely, innocently, and purely loved by others.
PS The mythos of the game was inspired by Shinto Buddhism, NOT Scientology!
t ru yes lol
Pendragon 090 There wouldn't be people Bunnybells would destroy the actual us "our souls" and play cosmic dollhouse with our empathy bodies.
I played all 3 when they came out and just watched all 3 of your summaries back to back. You truly gave this trilogy justice and made it very easy to follow finally. Such an epic story, it's a shame more people can't appreciate the story of the 3 games due to how poorly it was conveyed across 3 games. But now in retrospect I see how much care was put into the overarching story.
Absolutely love your clear and concise buttery voice explaining the whole trilogy. I absolutely love this game and your video just made me love it even more. Just earned yourself a subscriber :)
Love these recaps! People always say the story of the XIII games is convoluted and doesn't make sense, yet here you make it all seem so simple. Hell, I'm a little sad that I've spoiled it before getting around to playing this trilogy.
and people complain that the kingdom hearts series is hard to follow.
id argue kingdom hearts is less coherent but thats because it sets even more complicated premises which then sometimes get contradicted
Those people have short attention spans.
It's not hard to follow it's just convoluted and badly written.
If that was the case the series would've ended a long time ago.
@@tonyknighton4019 No, thats not true at all. There is more to games than story. And KH1 still had a decent story. The big problems started in 2 and BBS in terms of Story. 2 improves on 1 in a lot of gameplay areas so it still does a good job. The series has been riding off the hype started by 1 and 2.
Lightning, the women who overcame god. Shulk, the man who overcame god. Both became gods themselves. Both decided to live in a world without gods. Both reborn a new. See the parallels between The Xenoblade Chronicles and The Final Fantasy 13 triology?
+Neo Galactic Gnostic anti-theism is not new to JRPGs.
+Neo Galactic Gnostic anti-theism is not new to JRPGs.
I played Xenoblade, yet I still couldn't understand how did Shulk get his power to overcome the Bionis God.
As for Lightning, simply put, she's Frankenstein's Monster and Bhunivelze is the mad scientist. On top of that, she possessed the power of the dead, of the Sea of Chaos, an entity of unknown origin whose power overwhelms the living realm's gods, including Bhunivelze. If you must, you can say that this story is like Xenoblade, but with improvements that allow the story of tormented mortals who rebel against evil gods to make more sense.
*suicide rates increase
@@pendragon0905 *spoilers for a 8 year old game*
The reason why Shulk became a god is the same reason why Zanza became a god originally, due to Alvis' Aegis powers he gave Zanza and Meyneth his powers to borrow his powers
wow, this was really confusing. It really does sound like over the top fan fiction. but if i had to sum it up i would just say the main question or theme in this game would be " what would you do if you could start all over?". this game explores that. many people want to start over but they don't really want to lose their memories of what happened or what it means to be themselves. also who you ask that question to, you would get different reactions which makes the end boss fight interesting. if you ask God what he would do he might very well say back " i would do it without you. you were a mistake"
it's a pity the story is so obtuse and convoluted because the core themes are really meaty for a good story that could definitely cover 3 games if this trilogy was actually planned.
This plot is simple compared to Xenogears.
My favorite comment here. Well worded and glad to hear someone I agree with. Part of me wants to and does love these games, but the execution seems to be an inexcusable disservice to the themes and drama they try to evoke.
@@hephistus101 same
Well thank you for summarizing this. I never played the 3rd game but man this story was just like a wild fever dream
Well.. thanks for making this RECAPitation trilogy. I have played and completed FF13 1 and 2, but not Lightning Returns (which I still intend to do). Seeing the full story, I would say that the story is indeed great and the ending gave me the feels, and a sense of satisfaction.
As always, many thanks Oni Black Mage. Your channel seriously needs more subs and views! Your content is truly amazing!
You did a wonderful job in recounting the plot of this game. Despite your efforts though I have no idea what happened. Someone should let Square know that just because there is a lot to say doesn't make it complex, it can make it confusing. It seems that with each game they release they want to add more and more to the story by hammering in more words half of which they created on the spot. One day I wish Square would have a live reading of one of their game's plot summaries. I just want to see peoples reaction to what has been said as its read aloud like a book and see if anyone could actually make a connection to it. The look of confusion and a camera sways across the audiance.
I know I'm 4 years late to this comment, but I really don't understand people who complain about the 13 trilogy being complicated. It really isn't, people just suck at paying attention. The games are as complicated as say ff7 or 8
This entire trilogy was a crack dream
I don't care what anyone says. The Final Fantasy 13 Trilogy is amazing.
People unironically think "I don't care what anyone says" is a good thing?
Apparently you care enough to make this post.
I have watched all 3 of your videos now of this serie and the amount of copies sold are being less and less for each video, it makes me so sad :(
Numbers don't tell the whole story. Sequels/prequels seem to do poorly across the history of FF games as fans cling to a base installment, regardless of the quality of thr game. I would argue the 13 trilogy got better as it went on, gameplay-wise, and Crisis Core was a much better product than FF7, but the core fanbase won't bother to play them, much less compare them. Just stick to what you like and ignore the numbers. (and keep in mind most RPGs don't even sell 1 million units)
+Oni Black Mage I see thanks for your response, im currently playing 13-2 but i think the whole time travel thing is comfusing. I cant figure out how to unlock new worlds and progress. Im stuck :P FF13 was my very first final fantasy game and it gripped me, the story and characters are top notch to me. One of my favorite games ever.
+Viggevire I am like you :D, but I played FF 13 back in 2012. FF 13 was my first FF game, now I am playing the entire series. As for the FF 13 saga, 13-2 in my favorite out of the trilogy. I platinumed the game because I liked it, and to be honest I didn't like 13-3 that much. I don't know maybe the time limit bothered me or the final boss difficulty that is insane, as it makes you to play the new game plus to just have a chance to defeat the boss.
Was an OK videogame but a bad final fantasy to me
Depends on the audience, the sale drops comes mostly from the western audience.
Thanks for the recap! I missed the chance to play this game since it came out, and now I can finally rest easy knowing the conclusion of the trilogy.
Thanks for straightening this game out! I really enjoyed this game, and Lightning is one of my top favorite protagonists of the franchise. I really like 13, hate 13-2, and LOVED Returns.
I agree about Returns - I dont think it gets enough love. However I hated XIII but loved XIII-2.
U earned a sub for sure. I've binge watched your Final Fantasy "recapitation" videos and they are really good and u definitely know your FF stories. While I've played them all multiple times, there were still things I missed and u do a good job at explaining even the most convoluted plots of FF which isn't an easy task.
AMAZING PRESENTATION!
Well thought out, concise and perfectly scripted,you sir earned yourself a subscriber! I absolutely love how you stayed on topic and in the 2nd and 3rd person, allowing the explanition to be fully understood and easily memorable. As a fan/enemy of this practicular franchise, it is hard to find people who talk about this game without unbiased negative criticisms who delve off topic.
My personal journal with the XIII trillogy was love/hate: hated the first game because of how angtsy everyone was and (my personal opinion) how fast paced the character developement was. I can't deny that the gameplay and graphics were both perfect and georgous, it was just the story aspect as a whole that made me wanna die...yup...
XIII-2's announcement made me shake my head with disapointment after Final Fantasy XIII's bombshell of a terrible game; I really want to stress that part - dispite the many pros that outweigh the cons, I personally feel that XIII's many amazing aspects were smothered in its terrible story. It's just my personal prefrence, but I won't lie, I had really high expectations of this game. And they crushed. Like bad.
So hearing about XIII-2 made me bashed and rage towards the game and the like...then I bought the Collector's Edition.
As a fan of Tetsuya Nomura and Nobue Uematsu, just hearing them in the developement process made me dish out $80. I would like to point out that that I will worship the very ground they walk on and would kill in their name so they desire it, that I swallowed my pointless pride and watch all of the promotional trailers and the behind the scene videos...and man was I blown away! Every little thing about the game I thought I would have a gripe with was sqaushed when they addressed the numerous things they were changing and adding. So in the months leading up to its release, I was anxious to play it!
And man oh man I was blown away with orgasms; Final Fantasy XIII-2 was the best game I had ever played since 2012. Improved gameplay and amazing story, I just fell in love with characters like Serah, Noel and Caius. They were so well written that I couldn't believe I was liking the man that I am supposed to stop. If I hated a character, it was because they did something I legitemately hated and would personally bother me. The music was just phenomonal as well. Just listen to the soundtrack and you will see what I mean. AND OH MY GOODNESS THE ENDING WAS JUST A HUGE MIDDLE FINGER, that I demanded a seqeul be made!
Then Lightning Returns!
...
Hmmm...
Funny story, I was so captivated with this series that I bought its limited edition controller, collector's edition strategy guide and downloaded a crap ton of FFXIII related hentai in expectation of this game, that I actually waited two years after of this game's release just to play it!
More on that later.
LMFAO the part where you said "downloaded a crap ton of FFXIII related hentai" made me laugh harder than I should've that was sooo random out of your entire summary thats why it was funny, BUT so out of all the female chars in the FFXIII related hentai who is the best? Serah? Lightning?
i might me late to know tha game and its story, after i watched all summaries of the trilogy.i was too emotional deep inside me especially in the ending where lightning steps out of the train and her last words to hear "We'll Meet Again", even tho they couldn't see each other again, She Was Smiling 😢. I Can't, I Just, All i can do is.. *Claps, Claps* This Game.. This Game.. Will Never be forgoten. 'You will always be in our hearts, Claire
So in an incredibly roundabout way, the ending of Lightning Returns is a theory for the creation of our world.
This game is weird, but hot damn I love this ending.
the english version has so manny mistranslation bheunivelse after killing hope absorbed his soul wich gained him emotions and poseesed his body so he can walk among humans with hope as vessel but it created a romantic obsession with lightning because he absorbed hope and so he seeks to purge humans from chaos and walk among them by using hope so he can understand emotions also he kidnapped him 168 years ago because he was leader of humanity and became real close on how to reverse the effect of chaos so people can have children he was lurec to the ark by a phantom he taught it was lightning all so the luxarian church be made later
Mate. Punctuations. Really helps readers understand your point.
Jesus, what kind of fucking cocktail of household cleaning agents are these people inhaling to write something like this?
What problems did you have with the game, with Lightning Returns in particular?
They weren't going to remain under the reign of someone more powerful than them who would use such power to rob them of their right to live.
I think it's a good ending for this story.
Escarabajo de oro ok, tell me a better ending of the game you could make right now
Escarabajo de oro how about light?
Seriously, what a mess of a plot.
u should do the Xeno series, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona Wild Arms, Tales of, and Dragon Quest series. I know these aren't easy things to ask but that would be awesome
What a fucking story holy shit....though i am glad it didnt take me 180 hrs to find it out
Best recap! Someone who actually spent time to know the story and understand what they're talking about. I have subscribed to your channel already
THANKS SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!!! Was EXACTLY what i was looking for :_:. That "real" searh coming back... I cry evrytim :_:. Thumbs up, subsribed!
wow this is some amazing work dude :O I luckily got most of the story, as i played the games several times, but this deffo helps a lot to put it into perspective :D Amazing work, keep it up. Also, despite what people say i loved entire FF XIII trilogy, the story was amazing if you look at it from a bit afar :D
my god that guy is good and pays attention to detail...thanks man!
I don't regret play this sequel and the last one
WEll. I am glad this ended well. I basically watched all 3 of the videos to udnerstand what happened. A breath of fresh if confusing air.
If someone asked me what trilogy to play of the ff games I'd say this one, if some one asked me a game, ffx. (ffx-2 sucked in history compared most final fantasies).
But this trilogy has a really good history. I only played the ff13-2, but I've seen all movies for the other two, and God, was I crying in this ff LR...
So many emotional parts... :)
Ai sim, se és tão inteligente, então vê lá se consegues ler isto. Hvis du kan så må du gerne drille mig. Go clever boy, tell me what i told you on 2 of the other 3 languagues i speak over english ;) Dont use google translate, it usually sucks :D
No I would play ff 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, and 10 before 13
You brought out the beauty of the story. Kudos.
I played FF13 and Ff13-2 but never got Lightning Returns. Thanks for the summary. Pity they had to bring time travel into the plot which IMO messed up everything.
Wait! If the new world was one similar to our earth, then my headcanon is that Lightning modeled for Louis Vuitton in this new life of hers!
That commercial she starred in in the Spring-Summer of 2016 isn't so impossible all of a sudden.
I’ve watched your vids for about 7 hours today
So much potential in this story... It's saddening.
I'm really loving your What is? series keep up the great work :D
13:40 can we just take a time to praise how gorgeous and detailed looks lightning design... Compared to the crappy, almost non Antialiased design that npc has..?
the story is.... Ludacris
Mooooove bitch!
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(Sorry, I had to)
So the lifestream gets created at the end of this game, it's official FF13 is canon to FF7 lore.
PS.
Lightning becomes Genova because of her new soul killing job.
that would have been cool, but as it stated :( this new world there was no magick and no monsters.
@@lucushawke6209 I know right, and considering how the new game and its ending is it pretty much is trying to get connected to KH.
Oh my god, that was so convoluted. Great video by the way.
I know! It's like a 12 year old trying to explain the plot of final fantasy 7
I've been playing it again years after its release, it now being on Gamepass. Great video dude.
My head hurts just from hearing you explain this game's plot. What drugs were the writers on? >-
The series is on sale on Steam right now but... I don't know if I can stomach this convoluted plot...
Could be worse, could be Final Fantasy 8...
A type of Drug called ba'polfi made from a secret organization la'proro's second division called ba'proro with the aim to resurrect mo'fifi by collect the ga'toto within all of us
@@wiseguy240Winston Well Final Fantasy 8 is comprehensible, that is if you believe that Squall is dead and Rinoa is Ultimecia.
@@JemRau Yeah but SE already debunked that while offering no clarity to the ending, plot or Ultimecia's backstory.
Oh my goodness.. What a story! When I completed FFXIII I had no idea this would be the direction the story went in.. I heard bad things about FFXIII-2 / 3 but this seems like a very complete story. I didn't know all the characters from the original made cameo appearances! And a happy ending as usual.. Just awesome. (:
Yeah the last two games have a very undeserved bad reputation.
i cried when the eidolons left i was like " NO MY PETS ARE GING TO BECOME ANIMALS OR HUMANS NOW AND NOT BADASS DEMI GODS :(" but this trilogy was awesome even if it wasnt very necessary
but what made me cry more is that they may not ever see each other again *sigh
I was sad that even the baby Chocobo and Mog left too =(.
@@TheMixedPlateFrequency That baby chocobo has a name you know? Chocolina!
I think people sometimes take video game logic to seriously. The point was that ending was pretty epic. The only problem with this series was that the first game was a bit to linear and yet even so the games story was still pretty damn interesting. Then people want to give shit on 13-2 all because they still have ill will against the first game. Personally 13-2 was my favorite from the 13 series. Its a grand trip.
Indeed! I think the person who made the FF XIII trilogy was Caius, as in if he hadn't messed up the Previous World, Lightning and her friends wouldn't be free from the Gods.
The game doesn't need to be epic on a stupid scale to be good. When you throw epic shit for "epic reasons like rule of cool" the actual storytelling suffers. Almost every JRPG becomes stupid at the point where they are killing gods. Instead of the ultimate enemy being god they could actually encourage the writers to make a good plot twist.
Some Shin Megami Tensei games do it well because the entire game revolves around mythical religious creatures, so it's not out of place.
This. But FF13-3 was my personal favorite.
I love how ridiculous the plot is for it to ultimately just end in Lightning learning to accept her own weaknesses and rely on her friends.
Just to nit pick a little bit, it was Lightning who threw Bhunivelze into chaos, not the other way. Love your videos.
Thank you for doing this game justice. I really loved this trilogy and though I do admit it's flawed, it was still good in my opinion.
This series actually has a very "xeno" feel to it. Interesting.
This game could be a prequel to FFXV, who knows
+Sjono It was supposed to be. XV was original 13 versus and it would take place in the new world. However, this changed and XV became an entirely new game, storywise. In fact, things like Etro might not even make an appearance any more.
+♞ Go Fuck Yourself ♞
It never was in the same world -__- it just uses the same base mythology. FFXV will still use the same mythology BUT will not use the terminology(i.e Fal'cie) . Etro is in the logo of XV btw
incorrect.... Its Luna,
The only thing I wanted in this game was for serah to live.
And convoluted as it was, and rollercoaster-ed as it was made, it delivered.
Therefore, I'm content.
This story is so incredibly convoluted. It's up there with Kingdom Hearts.
that was awesome thanks!
13-1 sold 7m, 13-2 sold 3m and 13-3 sold 1m copies, very depressing considering how amazing the story is
That was beautiful. If they could have condensed the story into one game, I would enjoyed XIII a lot more.
Wow it's cool seeing the evolution of chocobos through the games and I think the ones in this one are very pretty
Wow... the first FF XIII sold 7 millions... FFXIII-2 sold 3 millions, while Lighting Returns sold only 1 million? People REALLY didn't liked this trilogy... which is a shame, as it had an interesting story, but poorly executed.
It had a great story, but it was expensive and time consuming for some. People don't stay young forever and peoples lives can change dramatically in those periods of time. Like maybe when FF13 came out, some were still in high school or younger. Then FF13 lightning returns, maybe a lot of kids went into military, joined college, or hit a financial struggle or many other factors. But I feel it was all pre planned to be 3 parts, they probably actually already all 3 parts ahead of time and just released then separately on purpose for money. I mean they are technically doing that right now with FInal Fantasy 15 with the DLC updates.
FFXIII was the second/third well sold game of the entire franchise, under FFVII. The sequels it's true that sold less but good games tho.
This happens with all trilogies, whether it's games or movies. The second and third always sell less and less. Usually, it is around 1/3 of the previous game. Just look at the World of Warcraft expansions or ff4 after years, ff7 spinoffs, X-2 etc it's always the same pattern and has nothing to do with FF13 in particular.
@@shybassboy yeah I see it, but the 13-2 fixes a lot of the 13, that's why I'm impressed with the low amount of sold copies
I love this trilogy!!!!!!!!!!! It gave me EPIC tingley feelings!!!!!!
Yeah, those tinlgey feelings are called "disappointment". It's a lot like drugs.
spotted the blind fanboi
I now see the relationship between this game and FFXV (well Versus XIII).
Omg.
This was better storytelling then the actual freaking game.
FF series always has great lore, mythology and plot, the problem is that Modern mainline FF became too sloppy at executing it.
Gall when you play the game its so confusing, yet when you explain it like this it makes sense
Can you recap final fantasy Dirge of Cerberus?
(Just watched all three videos)
My brain is melting trying to follow this plot.
so how did vanille and fang came out of crystal stasis?
Looots 13 the first time or the second?
Wow, I now want to play this trilogy. I feel like I missed out on this train as I only played through the first 13 game. Was too broke to play the others lol
My honest question to the entire FFXIII community is "Why do you enjoy this series??" I just spent an hour and half trying to wrap my mind around this series, and truthfully I cannot comprehend why people enjoy this game. This is my own perspective and I by no means expect everyone to share my views. The pros to this series are: setting (absolutely gorgeous), and maybe character development? I say "maybe" because from start to finish the characters in the series change and grow into likeable characters...however the driving force behind these changes is imo it's greatest flaw. Cons: this convoluted story!!! Omg the amount of bs and stringy plot in this entire series makes me want to vomit. At least give me a general theme?! "People who challenge fate?" I have no idea why things are happening in this series. Even after watching a great recap series which explains the story, I cannot find any basis to why anyone would enjoy these games other than; ooh pretty graphics and Lightningiscool
+John Saad any story with time travel and gods in it just shouldnt be done anyway.
It's a different experience, and a further exploration into the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos. Certainly my least favorite of the 13 series, but I am not nearly as hard on it now, with a few years to look back and consider the game.
This game may not have alot of fans but I acrually enjoyed it, mainly the idea of it. It's concept with Lightning was really interesting and I ended up losing count of how many times I beat it and finished all the extra content and the hard bonus content. It may not have been executed well but if they would've actually spent some time to flesh everyrhing out in a deeper way it could've been something special.
18:10 - 18:30 I don't get it. According to the Fabula Nova Crystallis Mythology short that was released before FFXIII-2 and way before Lightning Returns, it specifically stated that the creation of humans were solely done by Etro and Lindzei was never shown or mentioned having any part of it. Why the sudden retcon?
In the novella "Fragments After" released BEFORE that short, Lindzei's involvement was already revealed.
DenisK21 Okay, I did some research to see if I was wrong or not, because I do recall the short being released before FFXIII-2 (I used to be an avid fan of FFXIII until FFXIII-2 release), which is true; The short was released in January 18, 2011, 11 months before FFXIII-2 release. Fragments After was released in June 21, 2012, a year after the short's release which would give it enough time for the sudden recon. The reason why you think the short was released after Fragments After is because if you look up the short on TH-cam you will see they were released around 2014, but that's because they are reuploads. The original was taken down for of copyright reasons (besides, the earliest reupload I could find is a german sub version of the short, which was uploaded in 2013.)
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I see. Still, it's not really a retcon either way. It would be a retcon if they suddenly said "It was actually Lindzei who did all the work and Etro had nothing to do with it". What's been established hasn't been altered, but expanded.
im glad to see everything to wrap up nicely in the FF 13 trilogy even if things were more then shakey across the entire thing
the story was great..but the only thing i stop playing lightning returns is the limited days..time craving is what i dont want to play in a game specially final fantasy..i always love to grind hours and hours since final fantasy 7 up to 13-2..
That put me off from it when I first played it but as I went through the story, I found I had more than enough time to do everything, all optional stuff included.
The last three or four days of the game were so boring for me because I had done basically everything (except kill all of the "Last Ones" in the game).
I really thought I'd be pressed for time since there is a real time hack to meet and it was my first time playing.
I was not in anyway pressed for time.
Also, I'm the guy that averages 60-90 hours on a game advertised as a 40 hour game.
Subscribed. Beautiful summation.
I love your recap series ! Will you give the RECAPitation treatment to Final Fantasy Type 0 ?
On a sign note did anyone notice how the first FF13 game went 7 million copies being sold worldwide, the second FF13-2 went for 3 million copies worldwide, to this one only going for 1 million copies worldwide. Coincidence I think Not.
This game was, and still is, on of the most underrated and missunderstood games in the whole Final Fantasy franchise. The whole Fabula Nova Crystallis is absolutely underrated to be frank. I never thought the games are bad, I don't know why so many people seem to dislike them. I can see why FF13 was a bit controversal because of it's more linear approach, I think if they made clear, that this is going to be a 3 game saga people might have understood that this was heavy story driven. FF13-2 fixes a lot of these "issues" and was, in my opinion, one of the best games in the FF Universe I ever played - and I played A LOT of them. It's also the onyl FF game I went for 100% completition right away because it was so much fun, it never felt boring or anything like that.
When 13-3 was announced I was 100% sure to get and play it, 13-2 convinced me that it's going to be a good game and I wanted to know how the saga ends. Over time more details were reveald and I people started to argue if it will be any good because of it's "time limit" and the fact that you fight alone and all that stuff. I had some doubts myself to be honest but as a huge FF fan I would buy and play it anyway so I did stop listen to people who just don't want to like it. When it came out and I first started to play it, it was VERY different, I had mixed feelings about it, however after a while you realize that the "time limit" isn't a real threat. The combat system on the other side ... how can I say it, it's not for everyone. You play as 3 characters in one, that's the closest I can describe it in a short manner. It took me several hours to really understand the mechanics to the point that I knew what I was doing, from there it took several more hours to "master" the combat system to a point where I felt confident enought to beat the late game quests. Once you reach that point, the game really makes a lot of fun, it's a fresh, new and fast playstyle but it could also get very exhousting, the final battle goes on forever and you have to be almost perfect to beat it. But it was fun in the end and the conclusion of the story and the entire saga was worth every button meshed during that fight ...
And the soundtrack is still EPIC.
they really need to make another part because i miss the gang so much
God this story really gets to be nuts but for some reason, I still love this trilogy.
Just curious...Tales of Symphonia pronounced Yggdrasil Igg-DRAH-sill. Was wondering if there was a reason why it was pronounced differently here.
Great video!
When I see different games pronounce the same word different ways, like Yggdrasil, Mana, Ouroboros, Bahamut, Magus/Magi ... I have long concluded that as long as it's consistent within THAT game, it's the correct pronunciation for THAT game (because its a fantasy game and they don't have to spell or say things normally)
So, I will usually go for THAT game's pronunciation of a word instead of how it is in the real world (ex: FF12 says Marquis "Mar-kwiss" rather than the normal "Mar-Kee") so I just roll with it. I also find there are a Lot of people either unaware of that trend, or unwilling to compromise and pronounce a word differently than normal (the worse among them try to insult me over it without referencing back the game).
***** I honestly forgot. I played ToS first, and much more often, than I did Lightning Returns...probably just stuck with me. Good point with Marquis, though.
To be perfectly fair, apparently BOTH pronunciations of Yggdrasil are acceptable, via the Wikipedia page's IPA.
Again, great work! I've really grown to appreciate your summaries. Interesting nostalgia trips for longer than average drives home.
Brandon Rexrode damn u got bitched
I unapologetically love this trilogy.
love the ending
Caius Ballad was the best thing to come out of this series.
lol no
Noel is the GOAT of FF13. He could have beat Lighting, if he wanted to
So why did Etros revive the main characters from their crystal state at the end of XIII? They saved Cocoon from falling, the bad Fal'Cie are dead, humanity is safe and can continue to do the bidding of the gods, and chaos is contained. XIII-2 and Lightning Returns exist specifically because the characters were released from chrysallis, but what was the point?
The FFXIII Saga is a result of over-complicating a story that was already complex; it doesn't mean the story is bad by any means. As a matter of fact, Caius is considered as one of the best antagonist in any video game series because of his character progression in XIII-2 and his clear goals, saving his love. The saga was more of Square testing waters for how games can be interpreted and how they should continue on with the FF series.
They were appealing to a much more adult audience of the series, those who grew up with the first Final Fantasy rather than FFVII+. Why I say this? The concept of crystals. Crystals didn't play much an important role after 6 and was later revisited in 9, but was ultimately dropped for reasons. They tried to bring back the concept of crystals in FFXIII, which wasn't bad at all, it just was different from the FF series that most people grew up with.
Ultimately, most people got lost in the transcripts of the story, but in reality, this is how original FF games were like... very weird and complicated stories. But just because they are complicated and different doesn't make it terrible as many are making it sound. This series isn't really that hard to follow, it just has a lot more going on at the same time.
For starters, FFVII was very plain and simple, Cloud must stop Meteor essentially. In FFXIII, we have a group of warriors trying to fight their way outta of a destiny that they didn't choose, but by a god. Sure FFVII can get deep, but that deepness was stirred by Crisis Core. You see where I am gonna go with this?
Essentially, we, fans of FF, screwed over ourselves. The FFXIII saga is such a big fuck you to everyone because we wanted something more than they can give us. We wanted an awesome story, but with great gameplay. But.... it's just really hard to do something like that. Sure you can argue that many games do this, but I guarantee you will find a flaw in that game that will distract it from either the story or gameplay; not talking about technical issues like bugs or hardware issues btw. Most games nowadays, if not all, try to focus on one thing at a time, the FFXIII saga tried to do all, it had an amazing combat system EVERY SINGLE ONE, (Of course this is subjective, but it's generally considered all 3 had a good combat system.) but it fell short in terms of story-design.
In short, I don't think the FFXIII saga was a failure, but it was a product of the fans. I really feel anybody should play these games if you are a RPG fan and try to play through it with a fresh outlook. The FFXIII Trilogy is NOT a bad saga, but suffers in the needs of what current generations of gamers want.
Great video!
Everyone talks about how the first one sold this much, the second one sold that much, and the third one sold this much. I'm sure games now days, such as RPG genres, are dying slowly. Gaming have changes a lot compared to back then. Not to mention, this new generation (majority) plays a lot of online/phone app. RPG genre games are dying slowly. IMO at least.
Persona, Dragon Quest, Legend of Heroes, Pokemon, Witcher, and a bunch of other series proves your opinion is wrong.
There's a lot to follow here and LR was my least favorite of the XIII series. But, I finished it and enjoyed it for the most part.
The battle system took a minute to get used to and I wish I could've had more than just Lightning throughout the game. But all in all, I was happy to have completed it.
Some of the battles in LR were pretty challenging, to say the least.
But I wouldn't expect anything less from a storyline that defies fate, ""God," and correcting time paradoxes.
The story could have been a little easier to follow though because I wasn't always sure of what was happening or the significance of certain events.
great re-cap. . . but the plot is such a mess.
+Henduri yeah.. there is bunch of gods... and another bigger god.. and another greater god... and and and..
True, FF13 series is just so lacking and with such a mess plot.
That's what Tetsuya Nomura does. When he makes a game, the overall plot is fine. But when he decides to make a bunch of sequels out of it, the plot will quickly become a huge mess. That's exactly what happened with the FF13 and Kingdom Hearts series: They both started out with fine and straightforward stories, but then the sequels happened and the stories got very complicating. He just lives with creating complicating stories.
Anna R maybe the reason was to get as many profit as he could. He once said that it takes much money to develop 3D games like FF 13. He need that to satisfy the BOD and the investors.
Anna R actually all Tetsuya Nomura did for the Final Fantasy 13 trilogy was drawn and design the characters. He did little to none with the games plot. Thats all on Motomu Toriyama.
Just finished the trilogy today. It only took me 13 years lol. Glad I did though
Well done Lightning, you earned it.
Please continue with xv! I beat the game but I really want to understand the story better.
I stopped playing and now I can't finish it because I need to practice again but there's a timer.... Dammit, why did they make a timer.