So ask the Sulus to go to the UK and claim compensation then, perhaps the Brits would give the Isle of Wight in the south of England as permanent compensation .. Good Luck ..
@hopelope1703 there is a proof that UK rented northern Borneo from the sultan of Sulu. UK at that time should have ceded the territory back to the Sultan before Malaysia was formed.
@@roquelowelllacaba5312 the sulu sultanate is extinct, their heirs are fake and have no right to claim compensation from any country related to this matter.
@@roquelowelllacaba5312 Goodbye to pirates and terrorists, my condolences for failing to sue in The Hague, don't be a fool to keep crying and begging for compensation from Malaysia, Malaysia will not pay even a single cent, instead Malaysia will claim for compensation for damages and losses to pinoys at the ICJ, The Hague, as a result of a terrorist attack that claimed to be the heir of the Sultan of Sulu in Tanduo, Lahad Datu, Sabah.
Philippine government distant to this issue because sabah is a private matters.. Even when Malaysian Prime Minister visited philippines they dont talk sabah too much
@@kampilankalasag1292 maybe now is not private issue but our government seems distant to that issue why?! because they dont want strain the relation of our country to malaysia
it is pirate matters not private matters. each time Philippines terrorist came to Sabah and rob the fishman and kidnap the tourists the corrupt Malaysia government let them go by paying the ransom. fyi ransom was not from malaysia government, it is from the sabahan.
Hindi po yan totoo, na distant ang Philippine gov, hindi naman need ibalita lahat ang plan ng Ph gov over ourr territory. The Philippine Government is supporting the Sultanate of Sulu owners in peaceful manner po. On going ang kaso po.
I'm Filipino but taking this territory will result in another useless armed conflict which is bad for all. This will only benefit a few. The juice is not worth the squeeze . Better keep it as it is. The ccp is the real threat. We should focus on what really matters.
I agree. the Sultanate only wants help from the PH government when it’s convenient to them. Otherwise, they want to be independent? well, just let them stew over it . Life ain’t perfect; We all got problems. Fry the bigger fish. Malaysia is not our enemy.
Kaya nga dapat suportahan ng mga Filipino ang laban ng Sultanate of Sulu, kasi pinakinabangan na ng husto ang Sabah na dapat ang Pilipinas ang nakikinabang at yumaman, wala sanang gulo ng kahirapan sa Mindanao, ngayon na lang nagkakaroon ng development sa Mindanao. Ang madalas nahuhuli dyan ay mga terrorist group from Malaysia, mga pakawala para manggulo. Ang $14.9 Bilyon sa tingin nyo ba mauubos yan ng Sultan ng family, it will be for the people, sinabi naman nila yan na itutulong nila sa Pilipinas ang kanilang ibang pera. Hindi dapat basta ipamigay na lang ang mga resources na dapat ay sa Pinoy. Mas nakakalungkot na mga Filipino mismo ang ayaw ipaglaban ang dapat sa atin. Patuloy ang laban ng Sultanate at deligasyon nila sa France at Spain sa pagsampa sa kaso. Patuloy nating ipanalangin at suportahan. Yung langis na nakukuha sa Sabah, yan ang bumubuhay sa Malaysia.
@@pushslicehindi yan laban lang ng mga Kiram or Sultanate of Sulu, laban yan ng mga Filipino, ang mga Filipino sa bahaging yan ng Pinas dating walang kailangang mga documento, na lagi silang naabuso napapagsamantalahan. Na dati namang wala at patawid tawid lang sila sa mga isla ng Palawan, Sabah at Tawi Tawi, Sulu, sana maisip nyo na suportahan ang kapwa Filipino. Di kailangan ng gyera ng barilan. Para sa kaalaman mo, ang Sultan at deligasyon nila ay lumalaban sa mapayapang paraan sa sarili nilang bulsa. Ni wala nga kayong maiambag. Sila pagnaipanalo ang kaso buong bansa ang makikinabang.
@@pekopekoh .....No, we want the issue of this claim to be stopped immediately, so that the focus of all the citizens of Philippines and Malaysia is shifted to the development agenda of their respective countries moving faster and not lagging behind other ASEAN countries.
Its not settled, its just kept dormant while they host US bases to gain favor with US. In 2013 we are attacked by Sulu next what, the US suddenly gonna claim they found WMD in Sabah?
SABAH may not be worth the potential consequences of engaging in war for the Philippines. The decision to prioritize nationalistic pride over peaceful resolutions could be seen as misguided and detrimental.
resources dude resources... always resources, you don't fight for just ideologies, even when ideologies are involved it's what ideologues will have the resources
@@aljonserna5598 natives of Sabah(Kadazan, Dayak, Murut, Bajau) won't admit themselves as Filipinos, they rather be as Malaysian. Otherwise, they'd have to eat pagpag.
@@oyster117 here we again the malay government is trying to cover their crime lol Don't forget that the European Court only stands for their own benefit; look what happened in Africa and the Middle East; all were biased if your country is poor! And don't forget that they were colonizers in the first place, and the UK is the master of Malaysia, the one who created the puppet state of Malaysia and transferred the territories of Brunei to Malaysia. That's why search the history borneo rebellion or the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_Civil_War so their will be no more clown like you lol if you have LOGIC try to annalized why brunie territories shrink to that extent? and who's the 2 sabotage theft who steal its land lol
You are not true Filipino, you are just a keyboard warrior to type that kind of message para masabi lang. Sabah is part of the Philippines, meaning sa ibang islands ipapamigay na lang ba. Lahat ng pag.aari ng bansa
@PinoyTVNews also, oof Your last sentence is a slippery slope fallacy Just because we Filipinos are not so willing to go to war over Sabah doesn't mean we'll let every island go, tsk tsk, buddy, you walking on slippery slope there, careful
As Malay Moslem, we don't want to fight our brothers & sisters in Philippine. Never. And we always support Philippines fight against western colonialism
As your fellow South East Asian from the Philippines, we also need to unite and fight those bloody Chinese invaders who are trying to occupy our territorial waters
As a Malay and a Malaysian, I also do not support at all the federal government wanting to launch a war against the Philippines because it follows a claim in court from being said to be the 'heir of the Sultanate of Sulu'.
Filipino here. As much as I'd love to have sabah as part of our country again, I know that it won't flourish under our rule. I don't know if it's prospering under malaysia but the philippine's economy and political climate is much shittier than Malaysia so I guess it's much better for sabah to stay in Malaysia. The second reason is that the people of Sabah are largely muslims, just by knowing that, you'd know that they will feel much much closer to Malaysians since Malaysia is dominated by the muslims unlike my country the philippines which is dominated by the catholics. Overall, Sabah would be better under the Malaysian rule than the Filipinos. The history between the Filipinos and Malaysians go way back before the muslim and catholic missionaries came into our homelands so risking all of that just for this conflict won't benefit the both of us. I just hope that this conflict will be resolved peacefully. We're all brothers. The real enemy is in the east asia. You know, the one that's so delusional that they drew up an imaginary 9 dash dumb dumb line.
Its just like any other country and nations. When the peoples already decided, UN endorsed it. After Ww2, sabahans already voted to join Malaysia. Nobody from sabah ever thought or said about to joint philipines after that. So its irrelevant for outsiders to still discuss about it. 😏
Pretty much this. Everytime I see Philippines arguing for claims like Sabah, I just keep thinking that we can't even utilize the resources we have now. What even is the point?
The Philippines will never invade or go to war with any ASEAN nation / nations for it is against the constitutional republic of the Philippines to declare war over any sovereign country. But the Philippines will support the Independence of Sabah or Sarawak from West Malaya if they request to be part of ASEAN as new member states.
sabah and sarawak will always be a an equal partner of the federation of Malaysia. sabah and sarawak will always support the secession of bangsamoro's mindanao, sulu and palawan from the illegal occupation of the US puppet government in manila.
The Philippines will never go to war over Sabah. Sabah is an issue between Malaysian government and private Filipino citizens. Going to war to resolve a territorial dispute is against UN laws and ASEAN laws that the Philippines have signed and sworn to uphold. Philippines will probably receive heavy sanctions from fellow ASEAN members and Western countries. Ordinary Filipinos will pay the price of such war. It's not the Filipinos that are living in Sabah, only few, so there's no emergency case that can force the Philippines to go to war against Malaysia. Most Filipinos doesn't even care about Sabah. Not on the priority list and not even talked about much in political issues.
'most filipino doesnt care abt sabah' im so glad to hear that ❤ as a sabahan i really thought the filipinos want sabah that bad 😂 cause i always see filipinos fighting on claiming sabah as theirs. thanks for telling from your perspective
@@anis1649 The Sabah issue usually arises whenever the Philippine President and Malaysian Prime Minister visit each other countries but most Filipinos do not really care about it. Sabah issue doesn't even make it on the top 20 survey list of what's important issues to the Filipino people every year. Most Philippine Presidents are just forced to insist on the claim to avoid antagonizing the wealthy elites of Sulu. Malaysia is really a big help to the peace negotiations between the Philippine government and the Moros. It's better for the Philippines not to talk about it much in order for our ASEAN brotherhood to achieve long lasting peace and continued prosperity.
@@johnlacey3857 I don't think it's about being a Muslim. Conflicts and chaos in Mindanao area of the Philippines are usually caused by terrorism and separatism. Separatists wanted independence because they are conquered by Spain and US but after the Philippine Independence Declaration, many people in Mindanao were not asked if they want to join the Republic of the Philippines and Filipinos from Luzon just conquered them. Local terrorists in Mindanao are mostly Muslims but not because they muslims but because they are radicalized by foreign terrorists that indoctrinate them. Most muslims in the Philippines are moderates.
The Philippines claims Sabah on the basis that Sabah was said to be once under Sulu Sultanate. Descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claim that Sabah belonged to Sulu Sultanate because Sabah was given by Brunei the original owner to Sulu as a gift for purportedly helping Brunei to fight rebels. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. In fact on 29 December 1877, the Sultan of Brunei ceded the whole of Sabah to BNBC/British and concurrently appointed Baron Von Overback, the co-owner of BNBC as Maharajah of Sabah and Rajah of Sandakan and Gaya. This cession agreement was documented. When BNBC went to Sabah to begin their business, Sulu claimed that Sabah belonged to Sulu. BNBC agreed to enter a "pajak" agreement with Sulu after they were advised by their fellow businessmen in Hong Kong who advised that Sulu would attack them if they didn't have a deal with Sulu. This "pajak'' agreement was signed on 22 January 1878. BNBC understood that this "pajak" was a "cession", so did early generation of Sulu Sultan accepted it as "cession". Only later generation of descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claimed that the "pajak" agreement was meant to be "rent" or "lease''. Still there was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. The two above events led to an overlapping issue on Sabah. What ever it was, the above agreement and overlapping issue were superceded by later event. On 22 July 1878, the then Sultan of Sulu had relinquished all his possession and sovereignty of Sulu and it's territories including Sabah to Spain. The Sultanate of Sulu only remained as hereditary cultural and traditional entity without any sovereign territory. In 1885, to resolve overlapping issue on Sabah and other issues involving other islands, Britain, Spain and Germany arrived to an agreement known as Madrid Protocol in which Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. As new owner of Sabah Britain had full control and sovereignty over Sabah and they could do what ever they wanted. Sulu could not claim anything because they had already relinquished the sovereignty of Sabah to Spain and Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. What ever happened to Sabah after that was under British jurisdiction. Even though British had full control and sovereignty of Sabah, they still honoured the annual "cession money" payment stipulated in the "pajak'' agreement as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. So did Malaysia when formed in 1963, still honoured the annual "cession money" payment as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. The term "cession money" was used because to use the term "consolation" was felt to be too degrading. Thus the term "cession money" was continually used as used before by the British. Even the argument about the word "pajak" and it's meaning in the "pajak" agreement still favoured the British. The "pajak" agreement was written in classical Malay, in jawi script (Arabic alphabet). Malay is the national language of Malaysia and Brunei, and mother tongue of majority Malaysians and Brunei. In those days, Malay was also used by people of Sulu because Malay was the "lingua franca" of this region including the present Philippines. That was why the agreement was written in Malay. But over the years Sulu people had lost their Malay language (standard Malay) because of several reasons like colonisation by different European. This made Sulu relied on translation of the agreement. Things got worse when they translated it to Sulu's local language, be it Tagalog or Tausug, which was rather translation of another translation, that they translated it to their favour. The word "pajak" carried several meanings depending on the contact used in the sentence or passage. It could mean "tax, rent, pawn, lease, or cession". In the agreement between BNBC/ British and Sulu, the word "pajak" was used together with the phrase "selama-lamanya" which meant "forever". When "pajak" was used together with the phrase"selama-lamanya", in this contact the word "pajak" meant "cession". Cession means "the formal giving up of rights, property or territory by a state". When Sulu "pajak" Sabah to BNBC it meant Sulu ceded Sabah and it meant Sabah no longer belonged to Sulu. This was further clarified. There was a second agreement which was a supplementary to the first agreement known as "Confirmation of Cession of Certain Islands Agreement". It was regarding certain islands between Sabah and Sulu which they were not sure whether they were included in the first agreement or not. In this second agreement, the word "pajak" was no longer used because they thought it might lead to misunderstanding by later generation. Instead the word "menyerahkan" which meant "surrender" was used, and the annual payment was increased from 5,000 dollars to 5,300 dollars due to certain islands included. Another example where the Philippines generally or Sulu in particular misunderstood due to wrong translation or translation to their favour, was about the clause that the territory could not be transfered to another party. Yes, there was a clause that Sabah could not be transfered to another party "... without the consent of 'Duli Queen'...". The British translated "Duli Queen" as "Her Britannic Majesty", even though it was not correct literally but it was correct in the meaning. The "... Queen" was referring to Queen Victoria, the ruler of England / Britain at that time. But Sulu translated "Duli Queen" (or rather translated from a translation) as "Their Majesties' Government". This led to an understanding that "Duli Queen" was the ruler of Sulu. The question was since when Sulu as a Muslim state had a female as their ruler (Sultanah or Queen)? The above showed that North Borneo (Sabah) had indeed been ceded to Britain, that was why it could not be transfered to another party without the consent of 'Duli Queen' (Queen Victoria), the ruler of England/ Britain at that time. And further it was stated that any dispute about the agreement had to be referred to the "Consul General" being the Queen's representative in Borneo to be resolved. It meant that outside Arbitrator had no jurisdiction over the agreement. This fact became the main reason of judgement by Paris Court of Appeal in setting aside and annulling the Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate. On 31 August 1963 Britain gave independence to Sabah and before that on 22 July 1963 Sarawak was given independence. The people of Sabah and Sarawak had exercised self determination to form Malaysia together with Malaya and Singapore. The sovereignty of Sabah and Sarawak as component states of Malaysia is intact and recognized internationally and recognized by the UN. This was confirmed and clearly stated in the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report "Final Conclusion of the Secretary-General", 14 September 1963. The last sentence of the report says: "I fervently hope that the people of these territories will achieve progress and prosperity, and find their fulfillment as component states of Malaysia". Full text of the report can even be accessed from the Philippines Government Gazette website. About the arbitration award by Paris Court to Sulu of US$14.92B, it had since been set aside and annulled by Paris Court of Appeal. Here is the latest situation. Latest as in June 2023: 1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate. 2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. 3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost. 4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Now is already November 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about US$6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m spent.
Now is already December 2023, still no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they really withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already February 2024, and still no news about Sulu claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they really withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision. The Spanish Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa's action of bringing the Sulu claim case in Paris Court when Madrid Court had already made decision in favour of Malaysia was seen by Spanish judicial authority as "Contempt of Court" and "Professional Intrusiveness". Following this, Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator was revoked and annulled by Spanish Court. His arbitration award to Sulu of US$14.92B compensation was also annulled. Criminal proceeding was also taken against Stampa. Sulu and Stampa tried to appeal in higher Spanish courts but failed. And finally Spanish Constitutional Court upheld lower courts' decisions revoking Stampa's appoinment as an arbitrator and annulling his arbitration on Sulu's claim. On 11 December the rogue Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa was charged in Madrid Court for "Contempt of Court" and "Professional Intrusiveness". On 8 January 2024, the court found him guilty and was sentence for 6 months imprisonment together with a ban from practicing as an Arbitrator for a year.
@@abdulwahidmdtahir3660 this isn’t a supposed claim dude it was actually sulu territory and the british decided not properly compensate the rightful owner of their rented land
@augustuslunasol10thapostle , Sulu only claimed that Sabah was given by Brunei to Sulu as a gift for purportedly helping Brunei fight rebels. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans.
As a Filipino, it hopefully won't, but if it ever did, blame your snake-like govt for sowing the seeds of discord between our two peoples and stealing territory that never belonged to them in the first place. Say salam to all of our Philippine relatives (Tausug/Suluk, Iranun, Bajau etc) there, and please treat them well. Filipinos are discriminated against by most of your people, and its stupid, since we share the same Austronesian ancestors.
I see some Indos and some Pinoys in here kept saying that Malaysia is the culprit, when it's a fact that Sabahan themselves have voted to be in Malaysia. Say what, I have a better idea, why don't the UN conduct similar polls at Mindanao, provinces in Sumatera, provinces in Kalimantan, Batam, Kepri, Natuna and ask them if they would like to be Indonesian, Malaysian or Phillipines. Only those who can prove that they are really local and can trace their ancestors in that place can vote. Any results from this polls must be taken seriously even if it'll change the countries and shall be respected by everyone. It'll be interesting to see the results.
Haha... The malay muslim in natuna and sorrounding islands in Riau islands still remembered of Johore Riau empire.... Of couse if given the chance would really like to join Malaysia.... 😊😊😊😊😊😊
As a Filipino, ever since this issue was taught to us in school, I was a contrarian. I always felt that the people of Sabah should decide for themselves what government they want. I very much doubt that being part of the Philippines is a majority would want. I think the claim should be dropped and let's move on, but its near political suicide to say so. So the claim is just that an empty claim, but no Filipino President will ever actually go to war for it.
good. then if you give it up, also give up your claims in the south china sea. show the world how weak your country is. don't claim things and just give things. very good for a nation who only eats pagpag.
Dumali ka naman sa As a Filipino, hindi naman giyera ang sagot. Naparaming way ang pwedeng gawin. Di pa nga natatanong ang majority pero ikaw na ang sumasagot. Kung ikaw ang naagawan ng lupa ng mga dayuhan, hindi ba dapat ipaglaban? May legal na paraan para mabawi ang lupa, hindi naman ito ty na lang. Ang lupa ng Pilipinas dapat mapakinabangan ng Filipino hindi ng mga banyaga. Madaling magcomment na hayaan at mag move on. Pero kung makakarating ka sa lugar sa bahaging yan, makikita mo ang sinasabi mo.
@@PinoyTVNews Para naman talagang yung "let's move on" lang ang nabanggit sa comment at dun ka nalang ata nagfocus. "I always felt that the people of Sabah should decide for themselves what government they want.". Mas contrarian ka pa kesa pagka-contrarian ni OP ah To be fair, may "TVNews" ka naman sa pangalan, so di na rin nakakagulat na highlighted lang mula sa isang part finofocus mo, may maiheadline lang lol
as a sabahan we philipine and sabah was deceived by history since long ago. There is no relationship of information between two nations separated by two different governments. it should have been since the formation of Sabah and since Sabah entered Malaysia, the relationship should not have been severed to allow the people of Sabah to know the past relationship between the two separated area.
I dont understand why filipino wants sabah that doesnt belong to them and wants a fight which they cant win, i am a sabahan and trust me we sabahan feel even disgusted to call ourselves part of the filiphinos, even the video said a un survey stated a majority of sabahan choose Malaysia. Do average filiphinos and muslim rebels in the south philip think we sabahan would put down our malaysia flag without a fight,they will be chaos, rebelions and outrages from the local sabahans, we see the sulu sultanate as desperate poor man who wants title and wealth not as a leader or saviour
@@fkoff7649 lol! Before the British, Sabah was already colonised by two sultanates, the sulus and brunei. Both sultanate doesnt own sabah, they colonised and the british just came to replace both of them. Malaysian govs paid the rents because it was the british terms, how come u take rents when u dont even own the land not even the entirely
And the poor Philippines wants her land back. Philippines already won the ICJ and said Philippines are the rightful owners of Sabah. Go search it please. 😊
Sorry for the word disgusted i think your racist but dont you think we are in the same race ,,, sabah is yours you can remain sabahan so dont be such cry baby, you think that we are losers and you are ahead of us or what so ever, i think we are more human than you, just love your country but dont look down to other country shame on you to speak like that you dont have any basis to insult people from other country, by the way im from the south part of the the Philippines and im filipino muslim and we support our brothers in sulu so don’t talk shit with them because you don’t know there struggles back then nor there history,
Not all of us Filipinos share the same ideas of taking Sabah from Malaysia. It's pretty much a waste of time taking it. Hell even the majority dosen't care about that land, if anything we are more concerned about China taking our islands and freaking bullying our fishermans.
The Philippines cannot use their past documents or claims to assert ownership over Sabah. This is a foolish act that could lead to serious consequences. For example, China could use the same method to claim that Philippine islands belonged to China thousands of years ago, or to assert that historically Taiwan has always been part of China. This is an unacceptable and foolish behavior. The decision about Sabah should be made by its own people through a vote, whether they want to remain with Malaysia, become part of the Philippines, or even become independent. It is not up to the Filipinos to decide.
Not to mentioned the past documents shows no proof of a rent nor a lease. Sabah was ceded by Brunei and Sulu with the word “pajak” meant to be stated as grant and cede, not lease and rent.
Save our Dayak brothers and sisters from imperialism and colonialism carried out by the Malays, the peninsula. SABAH or North Kalimantan is not the crown of Great Britain. the betrayal committed by the sultanate of melaka against the sultanate of sulu violated common rights. Previously, Putrajaya promised a decent living guarantee for the Dayak tribes in the north. however, when northern Borneo lands were taken over to form the Federation of Malaysia. Putrajaya betrayed the Malaysia Agreement, in 1963 (Malaysia Agreement 1963/MA63). finally, the British North Borneo Company annexed the territories of Sarawak and Sabah to form the Commonwealth of Nations (former British colony) into a single unit, namely the federation of Malaysia, under full British rule in 1882. Until now, Sabah land has gas reserves of around 11 to 12 trillion cubic feet and 1.5 billion barrels of oil reserves, all of which are utilized by the state-owned company "PETRONAS". According to the prime minister of Sabah, oil and gas revenue sharing tends to be unfair and fraudulent under dictatorial and authoritarian regimes. The kingdoms of Sarawak and Sabah are described as the poorest, slums, and the people living there are second-class citizens. all oil resources of sabah and sarawak are allocated to downtown melaka for the PROSPERITY of the peninsular kingdom only. as the origin of sabah, if we disengage with that bad peninsula. I am sure that the spirit of our region will be more prosperous, economically advanced, strong, sovereign than other countries in the Southeast Asian region. STAND UP MY BROTHER! OPINION THE COOPERATION! FREEDOM, FREEDOM, FREEDOM SARAWAK AND SABAH! ✊✊🏴🏴✊✊
we filipinos are being aggressive here in the comment section when, in fact, we don't even have the budget to go to any war, and the government doesn't even have any plans
tumahimik ka! matagal na pinaglalaban ng mga taga muslim sa mindanao ang Sabah.. di ka tunay na pilipino,.dami ng namamatay dahil sa kanilang pinaglalaban.. dahil alam nila at sila ang tunay na nagmamay.ari ng sabah, tayo Pilipino,.
Malaysia was just founded in 1963. Sabah is part of Sulu since 1658. Evidences provided in court and helped Sulu Sultanate to win the case in international court. Everyone else whether UK or Malaysian government are just renting these lands and all are documented with receipts and paid rentals. This is an issue because Sabah for a large part of MYs economy and population. Nevertheless you have to pay overdue rentals and give the land to the owner when rental contract has been violated (non-payment of rentals for years). MY has benefited greatly from the use of this rented lands, all of this issue are but just abuse of the generosity of the Sulu Sultanate, violation of international agreements, and violation of international based rule of law.
As a proud Sabahan, I wish to share my thoughts about an issue that has lingered between Malaysia and the Philippines for decades. Sabah has been a part of Malaysia since its formation in 1963-over 61 years of unity and shared progress. In Sabah, we are blessed with a beautiful blend of cultures that reflects not only Malaysia but also the Philippines, Indonesia, and the broader Southeast Asian region. Our shared heritage and proximity remind us of the ties that bind us together as neighbors, friends, and members of a vibrant global community. Let us move forward with love and mutual respect. We are in 2024-a time to leave behind old disputes and focus on building a peaceful and harmonious future for all. It is through kindness, understanding, and collaboration that we can achieve greatness as a region. I love Sabah. I love Malaysia. I love the Philippines. I love Indonesia. These countries, with their unique cultures and histories, are interconnected in so many ways. Let us respect one another, celebrate our shared diversity, and work together to uplift each other. Peace begins with us. Let’s choose understanding over conflict and unity over division. With hope for a better tomorrow.
Any Filipino and Sulu supporters would point to the 1878 agreement and claim that Sabah was lease to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). But there are numerous evidence to point that Sulu did not previously own Sabah as the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs would suggest, the claim that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu as a gift can be disputed and debunked by the following evidence: - 1877 Agreement Prior to the 1878 Agreement which was signed between the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) and the Sultanate of Sulu, there was an agreement that was signed in 1877 between the Sultanate of Brunei and the British North Borneo Company. Within this agreement, the word “grant” has been used numerous times. It’s also stated within the agreement that the entirety of North Borneo (Sabah) will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) for 15,000 Mexican gold coins . With these statements, it’s clear that the Sulu Sultanate did not own North Borneo (Sabah) and that the 1878 agreement is redundant. I would also like to point out that within the 1878 agreement, the word “pajak” was meant to be stated a “grant and cede”, and within the receipts of the so-called “rent payments” are listed as cession payment. Cession means to give something away. With that this proves that the 1878 Agreement wasn’t a lease agreement but rather a cession agreement. But let’s say for the sake of argument that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu and that the Sultanate of Sulu did indeed own Sabah and that the 1878 agreement was a lease agreement. Yet the Sultanate of Sulu has signed many agreements which relinquishes their rights over Sabah. These are the following: - 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement This agreement highlights the Sultanate of Sulu’s surrender of sovereignty to Spain. This means that anything happens whether internal or external affairs is under Spanish jurisdiction. - Article III of the Madrid Protocol of 1885 The Madrid Protocol of 1885 was an agreement between the United Kingdom, Germany, and Spain to recognise Spain’s rule over the Sulu Archipelago. There is a particular statement within Article III which states that Spain will relinquish all of their claims on Borneo. This alongside with the 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement as stated previously shows that the Sultanate of Sulu now no longer have any jurisdiction over North Borneo (Sabah). This also means that North Borneo (Sabah) is now under complete British jurisdiction. - 1903 Confirmation of Cession This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) in which it states that the Sultanate of Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo (Sabah) as well as additional islands which is how the payment of 5,000 Mexican gold coins which at this point has switched entirely to the Malayan dollar increased to 5,300 Malayan dollars. - 1915 Carpenter Agreement This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the United States. Within this agreement it states that any power that the Sultan of Sulu has over his land has been given to the Philippines which is under American-rule. -1930 Anglo-US Border Convention This agreement was signed between the United States and the United Kingdom. This agrement also define the border of North Borneo (Sabah) and the Philippines with the agreement being that North Borneo (Sabah) will remain under British jurisdiction and the Philippines being under American jurisdiction. -1963 Malaysia Agreement Finally this agreement was signed between the United Kingdom, Malaya, Singapore, Sarawak, and North Borneo (Sabah) to form a new country now known as Malaysia. Now that North Borneo (Sabah) has gained it’s independence from the UK, they opted to join this agreement and with the previous agreements signed, it means that North Borneo (Sabah) now have self-determination. And with the UK approving this agreement under the Malaysia Act of 1963 which has been passed in the British Parliament. This agreement has also been recognised by the United Nations and agreed on by the UN General Assembly and the UN Secretary-General himself. This means that Sabah is now rightful Malaysian territory. With all of these facts in place, it’s clear that Sabah rightfully belongs to Malaysia and neither the Philippines nor Sulu have any legal claims over Sabah.
Nice and very informative video. But still has a lot of missing information. I hope you can create an updated and more thorough discussion of this topic. You should also include the plight of the Suluks who were removed from Sabah even though they were born there and the status of other Stateless people in that part of the Island. Also please include discussion on historical maps from neighboring nations (old maps not from Philippines, Britain, nor Malaysia) indicating that Northeast Sabah bears the Sulu name in the old times.
Your information is wrong, the Dayaks of Sabah are the original Sabahans, my ancestors, not the Suluks, the Suluks are in Sabah only because Brunei gave them half of Sabah's land. ONLY HALF, not the whole SABAH!!
@@demonstyle97 I agree with my fellow Sabahans, Suluks were never a tribe in Sabah. Malaysia under the Federal Constitutition, stated in Article 22. "Citizenship through territorial integration. If any new territory is admitted into the Federation after Malaysia Day pursuant to Article 2, then Parliament may by law determine who shall be citizens by reason of their connection with that territory and the date or dates on which they shall become citizens". Suluks was never a tribe until recently in 1952 while other indiginious tribes remained in Sabah for thousands of years.
@@demonstyle97 Please read my comment again: 1. I did not say that Suluks were indigenous to Sabah. But those Suluks who were born in Sabah, and whose parents were also born in Sabah, were kicked out. They even do not know Philippine culture. A Singaporean expert documented it. 2. I am also aware that NOT THE WHOLE Sabah was given to the Sultanate of Sulu, only a portion was given. That is why I typed only Northeast of Sabah. Please read my post again. The old map I saw was shared by a Thai person.
@hopelope1703here we again you're government is trying to cover their crime lol Don't forget that the European Court only stands for their own benefit; look what happened in Africa and the Middle East; all were biased if your country is poor! And don't forget that they were colonizers in the first place, and the UK is the master of Malaysia, the one who created the puppet state of Malaysia and transferred the territories of Brunei to Malaysia. That's why search the history borneo rebellion or the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_Civil_War so their will be no more clown like you lol if you have LOGIC try to annalized why brunie territories shrink to that extent? and who's the 2 sabotage theft who steal its land lol
Born here doesn't mean one is a Malaysian. Just because you can come here by sampan pancung, stayed illegally for generations doesn't make you a Malaysian. There are actually Malaysian with Sulu heritage still living in Sabah, some of them are my friends. When the Lahad Datu incident happened, I saw their heartaches of what had happened to Lahad Datu, the anger on Sulu name being smeared by those terrorists and the fear that we, the rest of Malaysian will hate them just because they carry their Sulu heritage. It so sad to see. We never blame or hate them. They still prosper as Malaysians till today.
Southeast Asian & the Malay-Austronesian people know it’s useless to fight over a conflict that the Western colonizers started. Even President Marcos & PM Ibrahim agree that it’s best to settle peacefully. ASEAN is better when we are united 👍
1:59 correction This is where the issue begins. The Sultan of Brunei never hand over the North part of Sabah to the Sultan of Sulu and still denied it until today. All because the Sultan of Brunei at the time whom has won the war insisted that the Sultan of Sulu had never send army as promised. And claimed they won the war without any involvement of the Sulu state. This is the truth as the Sultan of Sulu younger brother who lead the army (through the sea) lied to his brother the Sultan insisted that he fight the war... That's why the Sultan of Sulu still until now claims Sabah 😎
@@WellorBallo yes, because of one or two persons lack of understanding the history becomes a minister and followed the famous Sultan Sulu claimed ( instead of Sultan Brunei claimed) is the reason why this became complecated. This is what happens when Bozo the clown 🤡 played an important part of Malaysia history especially the Sabah.
@@WellorBallo yet Malaysia claim it is secession money. It is just here say only and unless there are proper documents, this whole payment can be anything depending on who said what.
But that very land was part of the Sultanate of Sulu's possesion (now they give the legal rights to the Philippine Government), even the government of Malaysia have no say to this fact and still pays the Padjak.. 15 Billion US Dollars compensation and the entire north Sabah is waiting to be handed legally to it's rightful owner..
@@PemadamGergasi, the Sulu Sultanate has long been integrated to be part of the Republic of the Philippines, though the existing descendants of the previous Sulu Sultans have the concrete and solid evidence and documentations that the nothern part of Sabah legally belongs to the Philippine Government through the Sultanate..
@@Tokski sulu lost control in borneo before sabah join malaysia. Please respect people choice in referendum. Sulu also lost control in other island such as mindanao, palawan etc
Malaysia being a British Client State supplied then the MNLF through the British with arms ang training and the cover story is about the Sabah claims. Malaysia has boots in Mindanao as part of the observation group along with Japan Australia and Indonesia. Its really all about the oil deposits around Sabah and probably the Sulu Sultanate knew about it and they ask for an increase in the rent. It was reported Malaysia stopped payments and the family now focused on PETRONAS. Why is it in any part of the world when UK is involved it caused problems in that part of the world.
Malaysia stopped payment after last invasion by the Sulu people. This was when the PM was Najib Rajak the crook who is now languishing in Prison. Some may think it is such a petty matter as the sum is so trivial since it has not kept up with inflation.
@@YoonLeeKokyes, but the payment is symbolic, which means Malaysia stopped paying them when the Lahad Datu incident happened as they have done the act of aggression.
Nah, keep Sabah to Malaysia. It's not like the residents of Sabah wants to join the Philippines. There needs to be a Sabah referendum to join the Philippines. Otherwise, there will just be decades of conflict and people dying.
I don't think the people are what the Philippines is after for, the residents can stay in Malaysia if they want. The land belongs to the Philippines, that's what they're after. They can either stay in the land that belongs to the Philippines or move somewhere in Malaysia if they insist on staying in Malaysian land.
Nah Philippines never have any right to Sabah, it was legally leased to the British by Sulu Sultanate for "as long as there is stars and moon" then joined Malaysia by it's people will. Also Sulu only used to own only a tiny portion of Sabah not it's entirety, and fyi Brunei have a stronger claim on Sabah cause they used to own the entirety of Sabah and Sulu was it's satellite state but they never bitching about claiming it unlike Philippines cause they are educated about history
no as a filipino the phillipines should claim its territory kung ayaw ng taga saba sa pilipinas pde sila umalis salupain na nasasakupan ng pinas gnun lang yun at ilagay doon ang mga pilipino sa lupa na yun bakit ipamimigay ng pinas ang lupa na sakop nito sa ibang bansa na ang dapat nakikinabang ih pilipino
saabahans paalisin mo dun? haha nauna sila tao dun ancestral lands nila yun. d naman talaga original sa sultan of sulu yun. nguan kung ayaw ng mga sabahans sa pilipinas mapipilit mo ba? another rebellion na naman yan pag nangyari@@rommelymas8100
As a Filipino, sabah isn't really important as the Mindanao region is still unstable. And if sabah will be part of the Philippines it will just be a complicated mess
The Brunei sultan never gave any Borneo territory to Sulu sultanate. A Brunei noble asked Sulu for help during a civil war in Brunei promising a piece of Borneo land to them, but Sulu did not help and the offer of land was rescinded. However, the Sulu people, a notorious stock of marauding pirates, claimed the land illegally, in today’s terms. Sulu continued to claim the land over the generations to this day. They never ever set up government in Borneo but you can bet they burned and looted the villages and took people into slavery. The Europeans that came later made treaties with the Bruneians and local people through their chiefs. Papers were legally signed with Brunei and then in some areas signed with Sulu too to shut them up because Sulu illegally claimed the land and are a known fierce piracy people. In a court of proper international laws, such as the UN, there is no way Philippines would win. In fact, it would be a total dismissal. Most likely, the UN wouldn’t entertain to waste time on such a baseless case.
As a Filipino, I am willing to let Sabah be part of Malaysia just to keep the peace in the region and have a formal agreement with Malaysian government about it. As it turns out, we must focus our attention towards China in the West Philippine Sea.
anong pinagkaiba nun?ibibigay mo yung sayo para lang magfucos sa isa tanga ka ba?.isipin mo nmn nararamdaman ng mga totoong may ari sa sabah yung mga sultan sa mindanao na sila tlga may ari.bakit d ba pweding kunin atin na wala ma sasakripisyo?parang binenta mo na tatay mo mapalaya lng nanay mo kung ganyan
Yan na naman sa word na As Filipino. As a real Filipino, West Philippine Sea, Sabah or any part of Philippines di dapat pinamimigay na lang sa mga magnanakaw ng teritoryo at sabihing move on na lang. Filipino ka ba talaga, hahayaan mo na lang kamkamin ang lupa mo, angkinin ang yaman mo, papayag ka na lang ba? Di ka tunay na Filipino.
You a Nice Person much more.experence of history...I'm.malaysian of Johor..I speak visaya.tagalog.little bit Broken Spanish..Elocano..Philippines..many of m'y Friends..Pinoy...
Issues like this is never really forgotten, it is ingrained in the national psche of both nation.. It will pester on but it will eventually boil over..
Such a war obviously won't happen to begin with. Philippines is incredibly weak relative to Malaysia, and would just end up defeated quickly while not gaining anything. Why get your head bashed in by someone many times your size?
@@kurugaligala2266 tama... gising ka pa.. mabuti pang wag na lang gumising araw-araw. bagama't mayroon din kumakain ng umaga, tanghali at gabi araw-araw?
What do you mean by 'we'.. It's only you and your kind. How the about OPM in Papua and GAM in Acheh? Please mind your own business first.. Your internal conflicts are much better to be taken care of rather than putting your nose to where you don't belong.
I don't want war but I don't want to reject the rights of our people who owns Sabah. I wish this will be solve in a peaceful manner since lives are at stakes here.
The Philippines invading a country is like seeing your high school friend who's been bullied for the entire semester tell you not to come to school tomorrow.
@Alghi451 Nah I'm Malaysian and I don't like Indonesians because of Indo and Malay confrontation look at them very poor than us in GDP Per Capita and one of the dirtiest river on earth 💀💀
Sabah was historically and legally owned by Sultanate of Sulu, respectively a part of Philippine archipelago but unfortunately Malaysian government is greedy. Yes, people there in Sabah are majority Malaysians, but the land was not a part of Malaysia. JUSTICE for the Sulu Sultanate especially the Kiram Family.
Such a war obviously won't happen to begin with. Philippines is incredibly weak relative to Malaysia, and would just end up defeated quickly while not gaining anything. Why get your head bashed in by someone many times your size?
Sabah is one of richest and developed state in Malaysia compared to the sulu Government under Philippines Government. How do you expect Sabah people want to become Filipino
No. Because the Sulu Sultanate's basis of Sabah's ownership was never favoured to let the Philippine government interfere with their affair on it, as they leaned more on their confidence in Sabah's affair with Malaysia. The Sultanate and Malaysia diverged only when Sabah was annexed by Malaysia without the Sultanate's consent.With little control or knowledge of Sabah's existence, the Phil govt acts and feels the same way it does over Sabah, despite the fact that the govt recognises Sabah as a part of the Phil due to the Sulu Sultanates' late affiliation of Sabah with the Phil govt in the 60s.
I am a Filipino, and I don't see the necessity for conflict as long as my fellow Filipinos in Sabah live in peace and harmony with the Malaysians. We ought to put the theological disagreement aside. If we communicate politely, patiently, and with respect, there is no problem we can't resolve.
I don't know about you guys but me as a Filipino, I don't want war between our lovely neighbours especially with our SEA nations. We are one. Sana maayos sa mabuting usapan ang lahat. We all just want to live in peace. #NOTOWAR 🇵🇭🇲🇾 WE ARE ONE
Weak thats why there’s no progress in this country because of hypocritical mindset and slave colonial mentality this people have You think your a saint? Why do you think spratly islands was taken from us in our face? Because of that kind of mentality Sooner or later a different culture or country will come creeping in and will destroy this country inside and out and when that happens it going to be too late thats why we’re always neglected in the world stage because you don’t have pride as a Filipino This pinoy pride thing that the media is always trying to portray is laughable I’m betting this country wouldn’t last 200 years it will break apart if we will not change If you’re proud to be a Filipino fight for what is ours
Pag tiningnan mo ang mga account neto di naman Pinoy yan sinasabi lang nila na as a Filipino, para ma brainwash ang ibang Pinoy na okay lang no to war, Hindi naman gusto ang war pero all out support tayo sa kababayan at Philippine Territory, di naman pwedeng ganun ganun na lang. Basta ibigay sa ibang tao ang lupa at pag.aari ng Pinoy ng Philippines.
Looks like some people readily want to wage war. Personally if war does happen (which I don't think it will, unless there are invisible hands that wanted to divide the region), I am more concerned about the people of both countries (and surrounding countries) who will be directly involved in the war. For Malaysia, it'll be Sabahan (obviously), some parts of Sarawak. For others, Brunei, and parts of Kalimantan even. For the Philippines, I see that the whole islands will be at stake, considering they have China looking in on them. Just to satisfy the greed of several people, millions will get the backlash. Malaysia sees this issue as some party with a hidden agenda who wants to divide the region. Someone or some entity with big money. Because the Sulu themselves are not rich, not rich enough to spend money and time to fight at international courts against a country. Someone must be helping them monetarily and advised them of legal matters. These are the 'invisible hands'. Those who want to wage war are blind to this.
If this may be then I mostly would think of it as China's doing, if not we'll I can't point to any other power except for America, but even that would be a hitch considering they are now looking for countries to form another NATO against China.
You are forgetting Philippine relationship with the US. They are oh so readily to host the US bases in their land. Tiba-tiba they gonna report they found WMD in Sabah and we the one gonna get fucked.
this story is accurate, But as a Filipino ( not representing all of us). I don't want to take part if war broke out. It is a simple issue of tenant and owner. The malaysian government should buy it out to the heirs of sultanate with the new contract. If that happens, then Philippines government would not have the right to claim.
@hopelope1703 the fact that the heirs of Sulu sultanate win the arbitration case. They already presented the needed evidence that you are asking. Then Don't ask me, you may inquire at the French Court Ruling 😁
@hopelope1703 search at Google for the " Written lease agreement" between the Sulu sultanate and the British.The Fact that the Malaysian government continue the rental payment to the heirs of the Sulu sultanate after the British left the territory, the fact that they produce this tangible evidence at arbitration and win it. Then tell me, why do the malaysian government continue the payment to the heirs of the sulu sultanate?
Sabah =Brunei (awal mula sabah ialah bagian dari kerajaan Brunei) Brunei = kesultanan sulu(diberikan sebagai hadiah) Kesultanan sulu = britis/Inggris (hak sewa guna) Dari sini mulai timbul masalah. Dimana kesultanan sulu di kuasai Spanyol,,, dimana akhirnya britis/Inggris merasa sabah milik dia seorang.! Kemudian terbentuk Filipina dimana kesultanan sulu termasuk, dilain sisi britis membentuk persekutuan malaya/malaysia dimana sabah termasuk!! Sebenarnya masalah ialah bukan kepada malaysia dan Filipina, namun hakikatnya ialah antara kesultanan sulu dan British karena disini British and kesultanan sulu yang paham betul!!! Sebagai mana sarawak juga dimana sebelum dimiliki British ialah dimiliki keluarga broke, kemudian diambil alih oleh British (namun dalam hal ini tak seperti sabah yang dalam perjanjian ialah hak sewa)karena pada masa itu Inggris membentuk federasi (ialah bukan kesatuan namun beberapa wilayah identitas sendiri semenanjung malaya, sarawak dan sabah. Singapore keluar)
Here's a little advice: Focus on your country's economy and stability first. Too much corruption and failing economy. Even brining Sabah into Philippines, it will be the day the Philippines self destruct from total failure of government. Civil war outbreak, new issues popping out from the new territory, country will fall into poverty, locals protesting, death. Sabah is living happily in Malaysia, better economy, great infrastructure, racial and religious recognition, support from Malaysians, etc. Dont you think it's better for them to flourish under a better country? The one thing I'm curious about is, when Sabah is flourishing, the terrorists bagan to invade. Isn't this the same when the Sultan who once had control on Sabah is winning a war, then the Sulu joined in later to help the sultan? Just to be rewarded a piece of Sabah?
Sulu of Sultunate already ruled over Sabah in 17th century then the British came to rent the territory in 19th century. And Malaysia came to existence in 20th century
Honestly, any Filipino wanting war over Sabah should really re-think their life decisions. Supporting this type of campaign shows how irrational someone could be, even when the document is presented in front of them. The Philippines should abandon its "claims" on Sabah, as they do not represent the Sulu Sultanate, but the Filipino people themselves. This dispute is seriously the most idiotic thing ever in Southeast Asia, and has the same vibes as China claiming the SCS because "historical pretext". Sabah never belonged to the Philippines. End of story.
@ginra9594 by that logic all ASEAN countries should renounce their claims on the South China Sea and let China occupy those territories as Chinese claims are historical.
Balabac Island, Palawan EDCA joint PH-US base will be the key to war with Malaysia. With US training and new weapons systems coming in thanks to Chinese threats, the PH will have serious capability to destroy Malaysian assets in the next decade or two. Sabah will return to the Philippines one way or another, whether by financial compensation or by force. LABAN PILIPINAS!
Those Moro if given an option would like to join Malaysia.. 😊 Their future and lifestyle will improve tremendously. Malaysia has the capacity and ability to get the good result in short time.Cheers.
We-kami-kita like-❤-respect to Mlys-Phlpn , Indo-Mlys-Phlpn not just close as neigbour its 3 beautiful landscape nature archipelago country , same race-ethnic n similliar culture too (3 biggest archipelago country)
As a Filipino, we will not go to war over Sabah and I am against it personally. Malaysia is a brother of Philippines, ASEAN cofounder and ally. We are a loyal friend and we do not betray our brothers.
As a Sabahan, I love my FIlipino brothers and sisters but we will never join the Philippines. This doesn't mean we hate our neighbours but we are more comfortable with Malaysia rather than the Philippines. Hopefully we will remain friends and this dispute will be over.
In 2030-2035 majority of people in sabah is filipino. Its happen to evey country like US,texas(most of people mexicans) And that time ph will much advantage. Also philippines is stronger than malaysia as of now.
I think the Philippines shouldn't stop with Sabah, as North Kalimantan was once known as Bulungan (once a part of Sulu) the Philippines will take on that area.
Let's be honest. The only reason the Philippines keeps claiming Sabah is because they don't want hostile relations with the Sulu Sultanate. We already abandoned previous territories like Palau and Miangas but Sabah has this special appeal for some odd reason. Malaysia can have it all they want. The last thing I want for my country is a land border which we are blessed to not even have. Not to mention Borneo is where all the ISIS terrorists came from during Marawi since it's literally poorer and less secure than our entire country. Only Sulu (Tausugs) and Ultra Nationalists want it so bad when it doesn't even provide anything of substance. Majority of Filipino Muslims aren't even Tausugs but Maguindanaos so they also shouldn't care.
Even now, Tausugs already want to separate from the Maguindanaos in governing their new Bangsamoro State which is the best they could have with its own independent parliament and ministries. (It's a Federal Parliament state in a Unitary Presidential country which is completely unheard of) Proposals are now up for a new "Bangsasug" which is literally just the same but without the ethnic troubles of mainland muslims and indigenous people. Just revolt then if you're just that desperate for self determination. After all, you people started the Sabah clashes yourselves by sailing there with your own armed groups and showing Malaysia you're a threat. (No more open border negotiations like with Indonesia)
You're outdated, Philippines with USA backing is an illegal occupier and biggest land Grabber of MINDANAO/Maguindanao Sultanate Lands and Sulu Sultanate Lands.
As a Sabahan, I wholeheartedly agree. One thing I don't like about it being in Malaysia is the muslim reign. They've been converting people left and right, and if the Phillippines intervene perhaps the issue could be solved. Then again, not worth fighting for,
@@archimedesfromteamfortress2aik??? Sejak bila orang muslim paksa orang bukan muslim masuk islam? Melainkan orang bukan muslim tu nak kahwin dengan orang muslim, jadi orang bukan muslim tu kena la masuk islam due to under Islamic law. Nabi kami tak pernah paksa orang bukan islam masuk islam.
Back then The Sultan of Sulu have a chance to join with Malaysia but unfortunately the Sulu are fighting among each other for the throne.. for unknown reason somehow they end up joining Philippine.. tbh it's definitely a big mistake for them.. if they join Malaysia back then they definitely living in prosperity with good economy for their people..
@@chestermabanag859028th June 2023, the Hague court of appeals has ruled that Malaysia has a merit to annul Stampa’s decision. This is the third court that decided in favor of Malaysia. The Sulus keep on losing and court hopping in order to enforced a shame decision of Stampa.
Filipinos and Malaysians are brothers. As Filipino, a war with malaysia is like a war with your bother. Hurting your brother inflicts more agony to yourselves. I do hope that this issue will be settled with love.
Sabah belonged to the Philippines which was seized by the British, meaning that Sabah belonged to the British, not Malaysia. Now the British no longer cared about Sabah, and it was natural that the Philippines considered Sabah their territory.
Any Filipino and Sulu supporters would point to the 1878 agreement and claim that Sabah was lease to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). But there are numerous evidence to point that Sulu did not previously own Sabah as the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs would suggest, the claim that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu as a gift can be disputed and debunked by the following evidence: - 1877 Agreement Prior to the 1878 Agreement which was signed between the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) and the Sultanate of Sulu, there was an agreement that was signed in 1877 between the Sultanate of Brunei and the British North Borneo Company. Within this agreement, the word “grant” has been used numerous times. It’s also stated within the agreement that the entirety of North Borneo (Sabah) will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) for 15,000 Mexican gold coins . With these statements, it’s clear that the Sulu Sultanate did not own North Borneo (Sabah) and that the 1878 agreement is redundant. I would also like to point out that within the 1878 agreement, the word “pajak” was meant to be stated a “grant and cede”, and within the receipts of the so-called “rent payments” are listed as cession payment. Cession means to give something away. With that this proves that the 1878 Agreement wasn’t a lease agreement but rather a cession agreement. But let’s say for the sake of argument that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu and that the Sultanate of Sulu did indeed own Sabah and that the 1878 agreement was a lease agreement. Yet the Sultanate of Sulu has signed many agreements which relinquishes their rights over Sabah. These are the following: - 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement This agreement highlights the Sultanate of Sulu’s surrender of sovereignty to Spain. This means that anything happens whether internal or external affairs is under Spanish jurisdiction. - Article III of the Madrid Protocol of 1885 The Madrid Protocol of 1885 was an agreement between the United Kingdom, Germany, and Spain to recognise Spain’s rule over the Sulu Archipelago. There is a particular statement within Article III which states that Spain will relinquish all of their claims on Borneo. This alongside with the 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement as stated previously shows that the Sultanate of Sulu now no longer have any jurisdiction over North Borneo (Sabah). This also means that North Borneo (Sabah) is now under complete British jurisdiction. - 1903 Confirmation of Cession This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) in which it states that the Sultanate of Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo (Sabah) as well as additional islands which is how the payment of 5,000 Mexican gold coins which at this point has switched entirely to the Malayan dollar increased to 5,300 Malayan dollars. - 1915 Carpenter Agreement This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the United States. Within this agreement it states that any power that the Sultan of Sulu has over his land has been given to the Philippines which is under American-rule. - 1930 Anglo-US Border Convention This agreement was signed between the United States and the United Kingdom. This agrement also define the border of North Borneo (Sabah) and the Philippines with the agreement being that North Borneo (Sabah) will remain under British jurisdiction and the Philippines being under American jurisdiction. - 1963 Malaysia Agreement and Malaysia Act of 1963 Finally this agreement was signed between the United Kingdom, Malaya, Singapore, Sarawak, and North Borneo (Sabah) to form a new country now known as Malaysia. Now that North Borneo (Sabah) has gained it’s independence from the UK, they opted to join this agreement and with the previous agreements signed, it means that North Borneo (Sabah) now have self-determination. And with the UK approving this agreement under the Malaysia Act of 1963 which has been passed in the British Parliament. This agreement has also been recognised by the United Nations and agreed on by the UN General Assembly and the UN Secretary-General himself. This means that Sabah is now rightful Malaysian territory. With all of these facts in place, it’s clear that Sabah rightfully belongs to Malaysia and neither the Philippines nor Sulu have any legal claims over Sabah.
The UK is at fault why the Sabah issue is so hard to resolve peacefully, same case to any territorial disputes in most parts of the world.
So ask the Sulus to go to the UK and claim compensation then, perhaps the Brits would give the Isle of Wight in the south of England as permanent compensation ..
Good Luck ..
@hopelope1703 there is a proof that UK rented northern Borneo from the sultan of Sulu. UK at that time should have ceded the territory back to the Sultan before Malaysia was formed.
@@roquelowelllacaba5312 it's Sulu business not catholic pinoys business regarding Sabah disputes,silly
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the sulu sultanate is extinct, their heirs are fake and have no right to claim compensation from any country related to this matter.
@@roquelowelllacaba5312
Goodbye to pirates and terrorists, my condolences for failing to sue in The Hague, don't be a fool to keep crying and begging for compensation from Malaysia, Malaysia will not pay even a single cent, instead Malaysia will claim for compensation for damages and losses to pinoys at the ICJ, The Hague, as a result of a terrorist attack that claimed to be the heir of the Sultan of Sulu in Tanduo, Lahad Datu, Sabah.
Philippine government distant to this issue because sabah is a private matters.. Even when Malaysian Prime Minister visited philippines they dont talk sabah too much
It is not private matter. Sulu sultunate already concede it to Philippine Government. Issue is dormant for now.
@@kampilankalasag1292 maybe now is not private issue but our government seems distant to that issue why?! because they dont want strain the relation of our country to malaysia
it is pirate matters not private matters. each time Philippines terrorist came to Sabah and rob the fishman and kidnap the tourists the corrupt Malaysia government let them go by paying the ransom. fyi ransom was not from malaysia government, it is from the sabahan.
@@kampilankalasag1292 Do you know who is founder father of sultanate of sulu??
Hindi po yan totoo, na distant ang Philippine gov, hindi naman need ibalita lahat ang plan ng Ph gov over ourr territory. The Philippine Government is supporting the Sultanate of Sulu owners in peaceful manner po. On going ang kaso po.
I'm Filipino but taking this territory will result in another useless armed conflict which is bad for all. This will only benefit a few. The juice is not worth the squeeze . Better keep it as it is. The ccp is the real threat. We should focus on what really matters.
I agree. the Sultanate only wants help from the PH government when it’s convenient to them. Otherwise, they want to be independent?
well, just let them stew over it . Life ain’t perfect; We all got problems. Fry the bigger fish. Malaysia is not our enemy.
I saw many wars in philippines. Do they solve their problems with wars?
@@wise_axolotl179no
Kaya nga dapat suportahan ng mga Filipino ang laban ng Sultanate of Sulu, kasi pinakinabangan na ng husto ang Sabah na dapat ang Pilipinas ang nakikinabang at yumaman, wala sanang gulo ng kahirapan sa Mindanao, ngayon na lang nagkakaroon ng development sa Mindanao. Ang madalas nahuhuli dyan ay mga terrorist group from Malaysia, mga pakawala para manggulo. Ang $14.9 Bilyon sa tingin nyo ba mauubos yan ng Sultan ng family, it will be for the people, sinabi naman nila yan na itutulong nila sa Pilipinas ang kanilang ibang pera. Hindi dapat basta ipamigay na lang ang mga resources na dapat ay sa Pinoy. Mas nakakalungkot na mga Filipino mismo ang ayaw ipaglaban ang dapat sa atin. Patuloy ang laban ng Sultanate at deligasyon nila sa France at Spain sa pagsampa sa kaso. Patuloy nating ipanalangin at suportahan. Yung langis na nakukuha sa Sabah, yan ang bumubuhay sa Malaysia.
@@pushslicehindi yan laban lang ng mga Kiram or Sultanate of Sulu, laban yan ng mga Filipino, ang mga Filipino sa bahaging yan ng Pinas dating walang kailangang mga documento, na lagi silang naabuso napapagsamantalahan. Na dati namang wala at patawid tawid lang sila sa mga isla ng Palawan, Sabah at Tawi Tawi, Sulu, sana maisip nyo na suportahan ang kapwa Filipino. Di kailangan ng gyera ng barilan. Para sa kaalaman mo, ang Sultan at deligasyon nila ay lumalaban sa mapayapang paraan sa sarili nilang bulsa. Ni wala nga kayong maiambag. Sila pagnaipanalo ang kaso buong bansa ang makikinabang.
Phillipines and Malaysia had already settled this long ago. There are bigger threats than that
It's not settled 😅
We only settled with their government, not with the sulu sultanate descendent 😅
They still want to claim even they has told by international courts 😅
@@sionc1372 this is just the lowest priority than the rest.
@@pekopekoh
.....No, we want the issue of this claim to be stopped immediately, so that the focus of all the citizens of Philippines and Malaysia is shifted to the development agenda of their respective countries moving faster and not lagging behind other ASEAN countries.
Its not settled, its just kept dormant while they host US bases to gain favor with US. In 2013 we are attacked by Sulu next what, the US suddenly gonna claim they found WMD in Sabah?
SABAH may not be worth the potential consequences of engaging in war for the Philippines. The decision to prioritize nationalistic pride over peaceful resolutions could be seen as misguided and detrimental.
resources dude resources... always resources, you don't fight for just ideologies, even when ideologies are involved it's what ideologues will have the resources
@@aljonserna5598 natives of Sabah(Kadazan, Dayak, Murut, Bajau) won't admit themselves as Filipinos, they rather be as Malaysian. Otherwise, they'd have to eat pagpag.
@@oyster117 here we again the malay government is trying to cover their crime lol Don't forget that the European Court only stands for their own benefit; look what happened in Africa and the Middle East; all were biased if your country is poor! And don't forget that they were colonizers in the first place, and the UK is the master of Malaysia, the one who created the puppet state of Malaysia and transferred the territories of Brunei to Malaysia. That's why search the history borneo rebellion or the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_Civil_War
so their will be no more clown like you lol
if you have LOGIC try to annalized why brunie territories shrink to that extent? and who's the 2 sabotage theft who steal its land lol
@@oyster117atleast they arent thief like a malaysian.
@@mr-vb3id so youre saying Sabahans are thief as well?
As a Filipino, no we will not
And many citizens share the same thought with this issue: a waste of time
You are not true Filipino, you are just a keyboard warrior to type that kind of message para masabi lang. Sabah is part of the Philippines, meaning sa ibang islands ipapamigay na lang ba. Lahat ng pag.aari ng bansa
True
@@PinoyTVNews keyboard warrior, eh? When you're one who said more than me
There are more pressing issues than Sabah
@PinoyTVNews also, oof
Your last sentence is a slippery slope fallacy
Just because we Filipinos are not so willing to go to war over Sabah doesn't mean we'll let every island go, tsk tsk, buddy, you walking on slippery slope there, careful
@@PinoyTVNews Eh di kung matapang ka eh di lusubin mo. Hanggang salita ka lang katulad din ng mga keyboard warriors na sinasabi mo hahahaha
As a Filipino i just want everyone to get along but that is hard when reality is in the way
As Malaysian we see Philiphines as brothers..they look exactly like us..maybe we are from diff background, but still we believe we carried same blood
your country is arrogant because of the good economy
No matter what, we Filipinos love our southeast asian neighbors.
🇵🇭🇲🇾🇮🇩🇧🇳🇻🇳🇹🇭🇸🇬🇰🇭🇱🇦🇲🇲 ✌️
I agree with the peaceful resolve.
True, but not all Pinoys are as good thinking as you are.
No I want Sabah back to Philippines
Claim sabah back by all means
Sabah Philippines
As Malay Moslem, we don't want to fight our brothers & sisters in Philippine. Never. And we always support Philippines fight against western colonialism
As a Filipino Christian I respect Islam or any religion and we Filipinos love our Malaysian brothers and sisters. 🇵🇭❤🇲🇾
As your fellow South East Asian from the Philippines, we also need to unite and fight those bloody Chinese invaders who are trying to occupy our territorial waters
As a Malay and a Malaysian, I also do not support at all the federal government wanting to launch a war against the Philippines because it follows a claim in court from being said to be the 'heir of the Sultanate of Sulu'.
Simple give Sabah back to Suluans. The unquenquered kingdom
Salamat
Filipino here. As much as I'd love to have sabah as part of our country again, I know that it won't flourish under our rule. I don't know if it's prospering under malaysia but the philippine's economy and political climate is much shittier than Malaysia so I guess it's much better for sabah to stay in Malaysia.
The second reason is that the people of Sabah are largely muslims, just by knowing that, you'd know that they will feel much much closer to Malaysians since Malaysia is dominated by the muslims unlike my country the philippines which is dominated by the catholics.
Overall, Sabah would be better under the Malaysian rule than the Filipinos. The history between the Filipinos and Malaysians go way back before the muslim and catholic missionaries came into our homelands so risking all of that just for this conflict won't benefit the both of us. I just hope that this conflict will be resolved peacefully. We're all brothers. The real enemy is in the east asia. You know, the one that's so delusional that they drew up an imaginary 9 dash dumb dumb line.
Well said
You can try to boycott China's products
Its just like any other country and nations. When the peoples already decided, UN endorsed it. After Ww2, sabahans already voted to join Malaysia. Nobody from sabah ever thought or said about to joint philipines after that. So its irrelevant for outsiders to still discuss about it. 😏
@@askarsepoi Yeah. Wonder why the Sulu sultanate is claiming it now
If The Philippines will take over Sabah Muslim majority will make it worst for Mindanao more terrorist will have easy access.
As a Filipino. It does not mean bigger lands, successful economy,. Just maximize the resources we have now then we can be a great country again.
Pretty much this. Everytime I see Philippines arguing for claims like Sabah, I just keep thinking that we can't even utilize the resources we have now. What even is the point?
Corruption may say otherwise
It's not like the people of Sabah want to join the Sulu sultanate 🤣 They want to be Malaysians so let them be.
stop voting for idiot politicians then.
@@phillgame8872corruption what part of our project was hindered ever since do30 and bbm take power.
The Philippines will never invade or go to war with any ASEAN nation / nations for it is against the constitutional republic of the Philippines to declare war over any sovereign country. But the Philippines will support the Independence of Sabah or Sarawak from West Malaya if they request to be part of ASEAN as new member states.
@hopelope1703the same UN that helps Israel rob the rights of Palestinians? Think
Whatever PH said, ASEAN shall be aware by now that PH are "sold" out to USA out of ASEAN..
sabah and sarawak will always be a an equal partner of the federation of Malaysia. sabah and sarawak will always support the secession of bangsamoro's mindanao, sulu and palawan from the illegal occupation of the US puppet government in manila.
@hopelope1703 sabah milik Sultan sulu
plus we are very weak militarily
great respect for the countries of Sabah, Sarawak, Brunei and the Philippines
respect from Indonesian
Love to Indonesia, Sabah, Philippines, Brunei from the forgotten loyalist country of Sarawak 🏴🤝🇧🇳🇮🇩🇱🇺🇵🇭 Don't forget Singapore too!
Respect country of sumatera,kalimantan and papua also..
Love and respect to all southeast asian countries from Germany 🇩🇪❤🇵🇭🇲🇾🇮🇩🇧🇳🇻🇳🇹🇭🇸🇬🇰🇭🇱🇦🇲🇲
@@prettycinta8598Malaya is province of great Indonesia
@@Heeyosh1t except that Indonesia is not great by any metric.
Never fight sabah no matter what 🇵🇭❤🇲🇾 i am filipino
from malaysia with love
I love Philippines from malaysia
orang sabah menangkap orang sulu? mereka membenci orang philippines sulu😭
mereka tidak akan berubah fikiran untuk menyelamatkan sulu filipina🇵🇭? mencari duit di negara sabah😭
Never comment if you ignorant of history of sabah..im also a pilipino,but a patriotic one..
The Philippines will never go to war over Sabah. Sabah is an issue between Malaysian government and private Filipino citizens. Going to war to resolve a territorial dispute is against UN laws and ASEAN laws that the Philippines have signed and sworn to uphold. Philippines will probably receive heavy sanctions from fellow ASEAN members and Western countries. Ordinary Filipinos will pay the price of such war. It's not the Filipinos that are living in Sabah, only few, so there's no emergency case that can force the Philippines to go to war against Malaysia. Most Filipinos doesn't even care about Sabah. Not on the priority list and not even talked about much in political issues.
Someone should remind China that going to war over acquisition of territory (🇹🇼!) is wrong.
'most filipino doesnt care abt sabah' im so glad to hear that ❤ as a sabahan i really thought the filipinos want sabah that bad 😂 cause i always see filipinos fighting on claiming sabah as theirs. thanks for telling from your perspective
@@anis1649 The Sabah issue usually arises whenever the Philippine President and Malaysian Prime Minister visit each other countries but most Filipinos do not really care about it. Sabah issue doesn't even make it on the top 20 survey list of what's important issues to the Filipino people every year. Most Philippine Presidents are just forced to insist on the claim to avoid antagonizing the wealthy elites of Sulu. Malaysia is really a big help to the peace negotiations between the Philippine government and the Moros. It's better for the Philippines not to talk about it much in order for our ASEAN brotherhood to achieve long lasting peace and continued prosperity.
Philippines has enough trouble with Muslims already. The last thing it needs to do is try to acquire more Muslim occupied lands.
@@johnlacey3857 I don't think it's about being a Muslim. Conflicts and chaos in Mindanao area of the Philippines are usually caused by terrorism and separatism. Separatists wanted independence because they are conquered by Spain and US but after the Philippine Independence Declaration, many people in Mindanao were not asked if they want to join the Republic of the Philippines and Filipinos from Luzon just conquered them. Local terrorists in Mindanao are mostly Muslims but not because they muslims but because they are radicalized by foreign terrorists that indoctrinate them. Most muslims in the Philippines are moderates.
The Philippines claims Sabah on the basis that Sabah was said to be once under Sulu Sultanate. Descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claim that Sabah belonged to Sulu Sultanate because Sabah was given by Brunei the original owner to Sulu as a gift for purportedly helping Brunei to fight rebels. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans.
In fact on 29 December 1877, the Sultan of Brunei ceded the whole of Sabah to BNBC/British and concurrently appointed Baron Von Overback, the co-owner of BNBC as Maharajah of Sabah and Rajah of Sandakan and Gaya. This cession agreement was documented.
When BNBC went to Sabah to begin their business, Sulu claimed that Sabah belonged to Sulu. BNBC agreed to enter a "pajak" agreement with Sulu after they were advised by their fellow businessmen in Hong Kong who advised that Sulu would attack them if they didn't have a deal with Sulu. This "pajak'' agreement was signed on 22 January 1878. BNBC understood that this "pajak" was a "cession", so did early generation of Sulu Sultan accepted it as "cession". Only later generation of descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claimed that the "pajak" agreement was meant to be "rent" or "lease''. Still there was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. The two above events led to an overlapping issue on Sabah.
What ever it was, the above agreement and overlapping issue were superceded by later event. On 22 July 1878, the then Sultan of Sulu had relinquished all his possession and sovereignty of Sulu and it's territories including Sabah to Spain. The Sultanate of Sulu only remained as hereditary cultural and traditional entity without any sovereign territory.
In 1885, to resolve overlapping issue on Sabah and other issues involving other islands, Britain, Spain and Germany arrived to an agreement known as Madrid Protocol in which Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. As new owner of Sabah Britain had full control and sovereignty over Sabah and they could do what ever they wanted. Sulu could not claim anything because they had already relinquished the sovereignty of Sabah to Spain and Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain.
What ever happened to Sabah after that was under British jurisdiction. Even though British had full control and sovereignty of Sabah, they still honoured the annual "cession money" payment stipulated in the "pajak'' agreement as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. So did Malaysia when formed in 1963, still honoured the annual "cession money" payment as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. The term "cession money" was used because to use the term "consolation" was felt to be too degrading. Thus the term "cession money" was continually used as used before by the British.
Even the argument about the word "pajak" and it's meaning in the "pajak" agreement still favoured the British. The "pajak" agreement was written in classical Malay, in jawi script (Arabic alphabet). Malay is the national language of Malaysia and Brunei, and mother tongue of majority Malaysians and Brunei. In those days, Malay was also used by people of Sulu because Malay was the "lingua franca" of this region including the present Philippines. That was why the agreement was written in Malay. But over the years Sulu people had lost their Malay language (standard Malay) because of several reasons like colonisation by different European. This made Sulu relied on translation of the agreement. Things got worse when they translated it to Sulu's local language, be it Tagalog or Tausug, which was rather translation of another translation, that they translated it to their favour.
The word "pajak" carried several meanings depending on the contact used in the sentence or passage. It could mean "tax, rent, pawn, lease, or cession". In the agreement between BNBC/ British and Sulu, the word "pajak" was used together with the phrase "selama-lamanya" which meant "forever". When "pajak" was used together with the phrase"selama-lamanya", in this contact the word "pajak" meant "cession". Cession means "the formal giving up of rights, property or territory by a state". When Sulu "pajak" Sabah to BNBC it meant Sulu ceded Sabah and it meant Sabah no longer belonged to Sulu.
This was further clarified. There was a second agreement which was a supplementary to the first agreement known as "Confirmation of Cession of Certain Islands Agreement". It was regarding certain islands between Sabah and Sulu which they were not sure whether they were included in the first agreement or not. In this second agreement, the word "pajak" was no longer used because they thought it might lead to misunderstanding by later generation. Instead the word "menyerahkan" which meant "surrender" was used, and the annual payment was increased from 5,000 dollars to 5,300 dollars due to certain islands included.
Another example where the Philippines generally or Sulu in particular misunderstood due to wrong translation or translation to their favour, was about the clause that the territory could not be transfered to another party. Yes, there was a clause that Sabah could not be transfered to another party "... without the consent of 'Duli Queen'...". The British translated "Duli Queen" as "Her Britannic Majesty", even though it was not correct literally but it was correct in the meaning. The "... Queen" was referring to Queen Victoria, the ruler of England / Britain at that time. But Sulu translated "Duli Queen" (or rather translated from a translation) as "Their Majesties' Government". This led to an understanding that "Duli Queen" was the ruler of Sulu. The question was since when Sulu as a Muslim state had a female as their ruler (Sultanah or Queen)?
The above showed that North Borneo (Sabah) had indeed been ceded to Britain, that was why it could not be transfered to another party without the consent of 'Duli Queen' (Queen Victoria), the ruler of England/ Britain at that time. And further it was stated that any dispute about the agreement had to be referred to the "Consul General" being the Queen's representative in Borneo to be resolved. It meant that outside Arbitrator had no jurisdiction over the agreement. This fact became the main reason of judgement by Paris Court of Appeal in setting aside and annulling the Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
On 31 August 1963 Britain gave independence to Sabah and before that on 22 July 1963 Sarawak was given independence. The people of Sabah and Sarawak had exercised self determination to form Malaysia together with Malaya and Singapore. The sovereignty of Sabah and Sarawak as component states of Malaysia is intact and recognized internationally and recognized by the UN. This was confirmed and clearly stated in the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report "Final Conclusion of the Secretary-General", 14 September 1963. The last sentence of the report says:
"I fervently hope that the people of these territories will achieve progress and prosperity, and find their fulfillment as component states of Malaysia".
Full text of the report can even be accessed from the Philippines Government Gazette website.
About the arbitration award by Paris Court to Sulu of US$14.92B, it had since been set aside and annulled by Paris Court of Appeal. Here is the latest situation.
Latest as in June 2023:
1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost.
4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already November 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about US$6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m spent.
Now is already December 2023, still no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they really withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already February 2024, and still no news about Sulu claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they really withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
The Spanish Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa's action of bringing the Sulu claim case in Paris Court when Madrid Court had already made decision in favour of Malaysia was seen by Spanish judicial authority as "Contempt of Court" and "Professional Intrusiveness". Following this, Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator was revoked and annulled by Spanish Court. His arbitration award to Sulu of US$14.92B compensation was also annulled. Criminal proceeding was also taken against Stampa.
Sulu and Stampa tried to appeal in higher Spanish courts but failed. And finally Spanish Constitutional Court upheld lower courts' decisions revoking Stampa's appoinment as an arbitrator and annulling his arbitration on Sulu's claim.
On 11 December the rogue Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa was charged in Madrid Court for "Contempt of Court" and "Professional Intrusiveness". On 8 January 2024, the court found him guilty and was sentence for 6 months imprisonment together with a ban from practicing as an Arbitrator for a year.
@@abdulwahidmdtahir3660 this isn’t a supposed claim dude it was actually sulu territory and the british decided not properly compensate the rightful owner of their rented land
@augustuslunasol10thapostle , Sulu only claimed that Sabah was given by Brunei to Sulu as a gift for purportedly helping Brunei fight rebels. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans.
it has never been a sulu teritory dude!
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As a Malaysian residing in Sabah, I really hope this wont happen.
As a Filipino, it hopefully won't, but if it ever did, blame your snake-like govt for sowing the seeds of discord between our two peoples and stealing territory that never belonged to them in the first place. Say salam to all of our Philippine relatives (Tausug/Suluk, Iranun, Bajau etc) there, and please treat them well. Filipinos are discriminated against by most of your people, and its stupid, since we share the same Austronesian ancestors.
@hopelope1703 👍👍👍😁
sulu no good....wee figh sulu⚔️🪦🤺good by sulu R.I.P
As a Filipino, we don't want you people. We want our land back.
@@derbdeppretend to be tough😂 come to Sabah give me your contact number I will make you my girlfriend..
I see some Indos and some Pinoys in here kept saying that Malaysia is the culprit, when it's a fact that Sabahan themselves have voted to be in Malaysia.
Say what, I have a better idea, why don't the UN conduct similar polls at Mindanao, provinces in Sumatera, provinces in Kalimantan, Batam, Kepri, Natuna and ask them if they would like to be Indonesian, Malaysian or Phillipines. Only those who can prove that they are really local and can trace their ancestors in that place can vote.
Any results from this polls must be taken seriously even if it'll change the countries and shall be respected by everyone.
It'll be interesting to see the results.
Nah after seeing the news in South Philippine province and Indonesia New Guinea hardly it would be a super controversial polls
Agreed,let see how many wanna be Malaysian
Kenapa hanya Indonesia yang kau bawa , nggak sekalian wilayah di seluruh dunia yang di minta pendapat tolol ,
Haha... The malay muslim in natuna and sorrounding islands in Riau islands still remembered of Johore Riau empire.... Of couse if given the chance would really like to join Malaysia.... 😊😊😊😊😊😊
As a Filipino, ever since this issue was taught to us in school, I was a contrarian. I always felt that the people of Sabah should decide for themselves what government they want. I very much doubt that being part of the Philippines is a majority would want. I think the claim should be dropped and let's move on, but its near political suicide to say so. So the claim is just that an empty claim, but no Filipino President will ever actually go to war for it.
good. then if you give it up, also give up your claims in the south china sea. show the world how weak your country is. don't claim things and just give things. very good for a nation who only eats pagpag.
Dumali ka naman sa As a Filipino, hindi naman giyera ang sagot. Naparaming way ang pwedeng gawin. Di pa nga natatanong ang majority pero ikaw na ang sumasagot. Kung ikaw ang naagawan ng lupa ng mga dayuhan, hindi ba dapat ipaglaban? May legal na paraan para mabawi ang lupa, hindi naman ito ty na lang. Ang lupa ng Pilipinas dapat mapakinabangan ng Filipino hindi ng mga banyaga. Madaling magcomment na hayaan at mag move on. Pero kung makakarating ka sa lugar sa bahaging yan, makikita mo ang sinasabi mo.
If I were a resident of Sabah, I’d choose Malaysia over the Philippines because of their passport alone lol.
SINCE YOU ARE ADAMANT TO CONVINCE ME, THE BURDEN TO PRESENT PROOFS IS ON YOUR SIDE, NOW PRESENT YOUR PROOFS THAT;
S A B A H IS PART OF MALAYSIA!!!!!
@@PinoyTVNews Para naman talagang yung "let's move on" lang ang nabanggit sa comment at dun ka nalang ata nagfocus. "I always felt that the people of Sabah should decide for themselves what government they want.". Mas contrarian ka pa kesa pagka-contrarian ni OP ah
To be fair, may "TVNews" ka naman sa pangalan, so di na rin nakakagulat na highlighted lang mula sa isang part finofocus mo, may maiheadline lang lol
As a Filipino. I'll keep our friendship to our Malaysian siblings ❤ Take Sabah, it's yours! ❤ We'll just visit ❤
It's the rich resources that they are fighting
As a filipino we don't want to go to war against our brothers&sisters ❤
Hindi ka tunay na Pinoy wag ka magpanggap. Mind conditioning lang yan sus.
Then stop talking about it. 😅
@@nanajp8 You have a single life. Don't waste it.
as a sabahan we philipine and sabah was deceived by history since long ago. There is no relationship of information between two nations separated by two different governments. it should have been since the formation of Sabah and since Sabah entered Malaysia, the relationship should not have been severed to allow the people of Sabah to know the past relationship between the two separated area.
I dont understand why filipino wants sabah that doesnt belong to them and wants a fight which they cant win, i am a sabahan and trust me we sabahan feel even disgusted to call ourselves part of the filiphinos, even the video said a un survey stated a majority of sabahan choose Malaysia. Do average filiphinos and muslim rebels in the south philip think we sabahan would put down our malaysia flag without a fight,they will be chaos, rebelions and outrages from the local sabahans, we see the sulu sultanate as desperate poor man who wants title and wealth not as a leader or saviour
@@fkoff7649 lol! Before the British, Sabah was already colonised by two sultanates, the sulus and brunei. Both sultanate doesnt own sabah, they colonised and the british just came to replace both of them. Malaysian govs paid the rents because it was the british terms, how come u take rents when u dont even own the land not even the entirely
And the poor Philippines wants her land back. Philippines already won the ICJ and said Philippines are the rightful owners of Sabah. Go search it please. 😊
Sorry for the word disgusted i think your racist but dont you think we are in the same race ,,, sabah is yours you can remain sabahan so dont be such cry baby, you think that we are losers and you are ahead of us or what so ever, i think we are more human than you, just love your country but dont look down to other country shame on you to speak like that you dont have any basis to insult people from other country, by the way im from the south part of the the Philippines and im filipino muslim and we support our brothers in sulu so don’t talk shit with them because you don’t know there struggles back then nor there history,
@@fkoff7649diam la pinoy
Not all of us Filipinos share the same ideas of taking Sabah from Malaysia. It's pretty much a waste of time taking it. Hell even the majority dosen't care about that land, if anything we are more concerned about China taking our islands and freaking bullying our fishermans.
The Philippines cannot use their past documents or claims to assert ownership over Sabah. This is a foolish act that could lead to serious consequences. For example, China could use the same method to claim that Philippine islands belonged to China thousands of years ago, or to assert that historically Taiwan has always been part of China. This is an unacceptable and foolish behavior. The decision about Sabah should be made by its own people through a vote, whether they want to remain with Malaysia, become part of the Philippines, or even become independent. It is not up to the Filipinos to decide.
Not to mentioned the past documents shows no proof of a rent nor a lease. Sabah was ceded by Brunei and Sulu with the word “pajak” meant to be stated as grant and cede, not lease and rent.
Hi @Hindisight, we would like you to make Part. 2 !!
As a Filipino .. I don't want war .. Beacuse we are all ASIAN brothers and sisters ❤❤ no war just love ❤❤
Peace! 🇲🇾 🤝🇵🇭
Save our Dayak brothers and sisters from imperialism and colonialism carried out by the Malays, the peninsula. SABAH or North Kalimantan is not the crown of Great Britain.
the betrayal committed by the sultanate of melaka against the sultanate of sulu violated common rights. Previously, Putrajaya promised a decent living guarantee for the Dayak tribes in the north. however, when northern Borneo lands were taken over to form the Federation of Malaysia. Putrajaya betrayed the Malaysia Agreement, in 1963 (Malaysia Agreement 1963/MA63). finally, the British North Borneo Company annexed the territories of Sarawak and Sabah to form the Commonwealth of Nations (former British colony) into a single unit, namely the federation of Malaysia, under full British rule in 1882.
Until now, Sabah land has gas reserves of around 11 to 12 trillion cubic feet and 1.5 billion barrels of oil reserves, all of which are utilized by the state-owned company "PETRONAS". According to the prime minister of Sabah, oil and gas revenue sharing tends to be unfair and fraudulent under dictatorial and authoritarian regimes.
The kingdoms of Sarawak and Sabah are described as the poorest, slums, and the people living there are second-class citizens. all oil resources of sabah and sarawak are allocated to downtown melaka for the PROSPERITY of the peninsular kingdom only.
as the origin of sabah, if we disengage with that bad peninsula. I am sure that the spirit of our region will be more prosperous, economically advanced, strong, sovereign than other countries in the Southeast Asian region.
STAND UP MY BROTHER! OPINION THE COOPERATION! FREEDOM, FREEDOM, FREEDOM SARAWAK AND SABAH!
✊✊🏴🏴✊✊
LOL. No war, yet the rightful owners are starving. Oil/Gas are plenty in Sabah.
Sabah Philippines, Walang makukuha kahit Isang inches ng lupa sa pilipinas...Pag di nila binalik ng matiwasay War is Coming..
@@nolanfajardo7794kasi bulok ang pinoy kaya nagugutom 😂
we filipinos are being aggressive here in the comment section when, in fact, we don't even have the budget to go to any war, and the government doesn't even have any plans
tumahimik ka! matagal na pinaglalaban ng mga taga muslim sa mindanao ang Sabah.. di ka tunay na pilipino,.dami ng namamatay dahil sa kanilang pinaglalaban.. dahil alam nila at sila ang tunay na nagmamay.ari ng sabah, tayo Pilipino,.
true. we poor and weak.
@@JV-km9xkI don't think our nation is weak but we are lead by incompetent leaders(not all of em ofc
man hoping you have a good day " A guy from Malaysia"
First time?
Sabah is, and always be, a part of Malaysia ( plus it will be in good hands under malaysia )
Malaysia was just founded in 1963.
Sabah is part of Sulu since 1658. Evidences provided in court and helped Sulu Sultanate to win the case in international court.
Everyone else whether UK or Malaysian government are just renting these lands and all are documented with receipts and paid rentals.
This is an issue because Sabah for a large part of MYs economy and population.
Nevertheless you have to pay overdue rentals and give the land to the owner when rental contract has been violated (non-payment of rentals for years).
MY has benefited greatly from the use of this rented lands, all of this issue are but just abuse of the generosity of the Sulu Sultanate, violation of international agreements, and violation of international based rule of law.
malaysian gov are bunch of squatters refusing to pay pajakan rent
its not part of malaysia, know the history first before you comment
It's turns out that no country claimed Sulu because it turns out that Sulu is a country itself.
Pay up renters!
As a proud Sabahan, I wish to share my thoughts about an issue that has lingered between Malaysia and the Philippines for decades. Sabah has been a part of Malaysia since its formation in 1963-over 61 years of unity and shared progress.
In Sabah, we are blessed with a beautiful blend of cultures that reflects not only Malaysia but also the Philippines, Indonesia, and the broader Southeast Asian region. Our shared heritage and proximity remind us of the ties that bind us together as neighbors, friends, and members of a vibrant global community.
Let us move forward with love and mutual respect. We are in 2024-a time to leave behind old disputes and focus on building a peaceful and harmonious future for all. It is through kindness, understanding, and collaboration that we can achieve greatness as a region.
I love Sabah. I love Malaysia. I love the Philippines. I love Indonesia. These countries, with their unique cultures and histories, are interconnected in so many ways. Let us respect one another, celebrate our shared diversity, and work together to uplift each other.
Peace begins with us. Let’s choose understanding over conflict and unity over division.
With hope for a better tomorrow.
just came back from sabah few days ago. such a beautiful malaysian state 🤩
Beautiful but poor malaysian state
Beautiful malaysian state, love from Indonesia
@@Alghi451 indah bgt. saya pun suka indonesia. orang ramah, makanan enak & pemandangan cantik. salam dari singapore 🤭
@@aranimpact thank you . Are you Singaporean malay ?
@@Alghi451 yup 😊
Any Filipino and Sulu supporters would point to the 1878 agreement and claim that Sabah was lease to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). But there are numerous evidence to point that Sulu did not previously own Sabah as the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs would suggest, the claim that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu as a gift can be disputed and debunked by the following evidence:
- 1877 Agreement
Prior to the 1878 Agreement which was signed between the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) and the Sultanate of Sulu, there was an agreement that was signed in 1877 between the Sultanate of Brunei and the British North Borneo Company. Within this agreement, the word “grant” has been used numerous times. It’s also stated within the agreement that the entirety of North Borneo (Sabah) will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) for 15,000 Mexican gold coins .
With these statements, it’s clear that the Sulu Sultanate did not own North Borneo (Sabah) and that the 1878 agreement is redundant.
I would also like to point out that within the 1878 agreement, the word “pajak” was meant to be stated a “grant and cede”, and within the receipts of the so-called “rent payments” are listed as cession payment. Cession means to give something away. With that this proves that the 1878 Agreement wasn’t a lease agreement but rather a cession agreement.
But let’s say for the sake of argument that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu and that the Sultanate of Sulu did indeed own Sabah and that the 1878 agreement was a lease agreement. Yet the Sultanate of Sulu has signed many agreements which relinquishes their rights over Sabah. These are the following:
- 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement
This agreement highlights the Sultanate of Sulu’s surrender of sovereignty to Spain. This means that anything happens whether internal or external affairs is under Spanish jurisdiction.
- Article III of the Madrid Protocol of 1885
The Madrid Protocol of 1885 was an agreement between the United Kingdom, Germany, and Spain to recognise Spain’s rule over the Sulu Archipelago. There is a particular statement within Article III which states that Spain will relinquish all of their claims on Borneo. This alongside with the 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement as stated previously shows that the Sultanate of Sulu now no longer have any jurisdiction over North Borneo (Sabah). This also means that North Borneo (Sabah) is now under complete British jurisdiction.
- 1903 Confirmation of Cession
This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) in which it states that the Sultanate of Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo (Sabah) as well as additional islands which is how the payment of 5,000 Mexican gold coins which at this point has switched entirely to the Malayan dollar increased to 5,300 Malayan dollars.
- 1915 Carpenter Agreement
This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the United States. Within this agreement it states that any power that the Sultan of Sulu has over his land has been given to the Philippines which is under American-rule.
-1930 Anglo-US Border Convention
This agreement was signed between the United States and the United Kingdom. This agrement also define the border of North Borneo (Sabah) and the Philippines with the agreement being that North Borneo (Sabah) will remain under British jurisdiction and the Philippines being under American jurisdiction.
-1963 Malaysia Agreement
Finally this agreement was signed between the United Kingdom, Malaya, Singapore, Sarawak, and North Borneo (Sabah) to form a new country now known as Malaysia. Now that North Borneo (Sabah) has gained it’s independence from the UK, they opted to join this agreement and with the previous agreements signed, it means that North Borneo (Sabah) now have self-determination. And with the UK approving this agreement under the Malaysia Act of 1963 which has been passed in the British Parliament. This agreement has also been recognised by the United Nations and agreed on by the UN General Assembly and the UN Secretary-General himself. This means that Sabah is now rightful Malaysian territory.
With all of these facts in place, it’s clear that Sabah rightfully belongs to Malaysia and neither the Philippines nor Sulu have any legal claims over Sabah.
Nice and very informative video. But still has a lot of missing information. I hope you can create an updated and more thorough discussion of this topic. You should also include the plight of the Suluks who were removed from Sabah even though they were born there and the status of other Stateless people in that part of the Island. Also please include discussion on historical maps from neighboring nations (old maps not from Philippines, Britain, nor Malaysia) indicating that Northeast Sabah bears the Sulu name in the old times.
Your information is wrong, the Dayaks of Sabah are the original Sabahans, my ancestors, not the Suluks, the Suluks are in Sabah only because Brunei gave them half of Sabah's land. ONLY HALF, not the whole SABAH!!
@@demonstyle97 I agree with my fellow Sabahans, Suluks were never a tribe in Sabah. Malaysia under the Federal Constitutition, stated in Article 22. "Citizenship through territorial integration.
If any new territory is admitted into the Federation after Malaysia Day pursuant to Article 2, then Parliament may by law determine who shall be citizens by reason of their connection with that territory and the date or dates on which they shall become citizens". Suluks was never a tribe until recently in 1952 while other indiginious tribes remained in Sabah for thousands of years.
@@demonstyle97 Please read my comment again:
1. I did not say that Suluks were indigenous to Sabah. But those Suluks who were born in Sabah, and whose parents were also born in Sabah, were kicked out. They even do not know Philippine culture. A Singaporean expert documented it.
2. I am also aware that NOT THE WHOLE Sabah was given to the Sultanate of Sulu, only a portion was given. That is why I typed only Northeast of Sabah. Please read my post again. The old map I saw was shared by a Thai person.
@hopelope1703here we again you're government is trying to cover their crime lol Don't forget that the European Court only stands for their own benefit; look what happened in Africa and the Middle East; all were biased if your country is poor! And don't forget that they were colonizers in the first place, and the UK is the master of Malaysia, the one who created the puppet state of Malaysia and transferred the territories of Brunei to Malaysia. That's why search the history borneo rebellion or the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_Civil_War
so their will be no more clown like you lol
if you have LOGIC try to annalized why brunie territories shrink to that extent? and who's the 2 sabotage theft who steal its land lol
Born here doesn't mean one is a Malaysian. Just because you can come here by sampan pancung, stayed illegally for generations doesn't make you a Malaysian.
There are actually Malaysian with Sulu heritage still living in Sabah, some of them are my friends. When the Lahad Datu incident happened, I saw their heartaches of what had happened to Lahad Datu, the anger on Sulu name being smeared by those terrorists and the fear that we, the rest of Malaysian will hate them just because they carry their Sulu heritage. It so sad to see.
We never blame or hate them. They still prosper as Malaysians till today.
We are Brothers 🇲🇾❤️🇵🇭
Not brother never
Southeast Asian & the Malay-Austronesian people know it’s useless to fight over a conflict that the Western colonizers started. Even President Marcos & PM Ibrahim agree that it’s best to settle peacefully. ASEAN is better when we are united 👍
As a filipino we will not fight our brother malaysia just for a land that they said in Philippines in the past we support each other
Please make the video on Malaysia's role in the insurrecion of various moro groups in Mindanao
Guam Native here! Please enlighten me and forgive my ignorance
1:59 correction
This is where the issue begins. The Sultan of Brunei never hand over the North part of Sabah to the Sultan of Sulu and still denied it until today. All because the Sultan of Brunei at the time whom has won the war insisted that the Sultan of Sulu had never send army as promised. And claimed they won the war without any involvement of the Sulu state. This is the truth as the Sultan of Sulu younger brother who lead the army (through the sea) lied to his brother the Sultan insisted that he fight the war... That's why the Sultan of Sulu still until now claims Sabah 😎
Then why Malaysia rented the land in the first place? It means Malaysian government recognized heirs of sultanate of sulo as the owner of the land 😎
@@WellorBallo yes, because of one or two persons lack of understanding the history becomes a minister and followed the famous Sultan Sulu claimed ( instead of Sultan Brunei claimed) is the reason why this became complecated. This is what happens when Bozo the clown 🤡 played an important part of Malaysia history especially the Sabah.
@@WellorBallo yet Malaysia claim it is secession money. It is just here say only and unless there are proper documents, this whole payment can be anything depending on who said what.
Hello i'm from Sabah and i want to say i am proud to be Malaysian🇲🇾🇲🇾
Those pinoy unmplyd keyboard warrior will be coped harder for this fact
But that very land was part of the Sultanate of Sulu's possesion (now they give the legal rights to the Philippine Government), even the government of Malaysia have no say to this fact and still pays the Padjak.. 15 Billion US Dollars compensation and the entire north Sabah is waiting to be handed legally to it's rightful owner..
@@Tokskisulu still in power?
@@PemadamGergasi, the Sulu Sultanate has long been integrated to be part of the Republic of the Philippines, though the existing descendants of the previous Sulu Sultans have the concrete and solid evidence and documentations that the nothern part of Sabah legally belongs to the Philippine Government through the Sultanate..
@@Tokski sulu lost control in borneo before sabah join malaysia. Please respect people choice in referendum.
Sulu also lost control in other island such as mindanao, palawan etc
The British Empire should be Blamed for land dispute between the Philippines and Malaysia for they made..if their fault....
Malaysia being a British Client State supplied then the MNLF through the British with arms ang training and the cover story is about the Sabah claims. Malaysia has boots in Mindanao as part of the observation group along with Japan Australia and Indonesia. Its really all about the oil deposits around Sabah and probably the Sulu Sultanate knew about it and they ask for an increase in the rent. It was reported Malaysia stopped payments and the family now focused on PETRONAS. Why is it in any part of the world when UK is involved it caused problems in that part of the world.
Well said...
To add it up, Malaysia too is the breeding ground of Abu Sayyaf and Jimaah Islamia terrorist group that is also affiliated to ISIS
Malaysia stopped payment after last invasion by the Sulu people. This was when the PM was Najib Rajak the crook who is now languishing in Prison. Some may think it is such a petty matter as the sum is so trivial since it has not kept up with inflation.
@@YoonLeeKokyes, but the payment is symbolic, which means Malaysia stopped paying them when the Lahad Datu incident happened as they have done the act of aggression.
This junk UK vassal state doesn't deserve to exist in our region.
Nah, keep Sabah to Malaysia. It's not like the residents of Sabah wants to join the Philippines. There needs to be a Sabah referendum to join the Philippines. Otherwise, there will just be decades of conflict and people dying.
@labayajamiylfahad755 Reading comprehension is not your forte. I understand.
@@JoeBigBoi just leave him be bro. That dude probably got too much ego in his patriotism
I'm with you I'm Malaysian and want Malaysia to keep sabah
I don't think the people are what the Philippines is after for, the residents can stay in Malaysia if they want. The land belongs to the Philippines, that's what they're after. They can either stay in the land that belongs to the Philippines or move somewhere in Malaysia if they insist on staying in Malaysian land.
Nah Philippines never have any right to Sabah, it was legally leased to the British by Sulu Sultanate for "as long as there is stars and moon" then joined Malaysia by it's people will. Also Sulu only used to own only a tiny portion of Sabah not it's entirety, and fyi Brunei have a stronger claim on Sabah cause they used to own the entirety of Sabah and Sulu was it's satellite state but they never bitching about claiming it unlike Philippines cause they are educated about history
As a Filipino I would let the people of Sabah Decide. We don't need war, we need trust & cooperation towards our respective countries prosperity.
Any Saban with an IQ above 50 will choose Malaysia 100% of the time.
no as a filipino the phillipines should claim its territory kung ayaw ng taga saba sa pilipinas pde sila umalis salupain na nasasakupan ng pinas gnun lang yun at ilagay doon ang mga pilipino sa lupa na yun bakit ipamimigay ng pinas ang lupa na sakop nito sa ibang bansa na ang dapat nakikinabang ih pilipino
Philippine don't want war , are u sure ?
With endmerica military base in Philippine , don't want war ?
saabahans paalisin mo dun? haha nauna sila tao dun ancestral lands nila yun. d naman talaga original sa sultan of sulu yun. nguan kung ayaw ng mga sabahans sa pilipinas mapipilit mo ba? another rebellion na naman yan pag nangyari@@rommelymas8100
@@rommelymas8100 lol kung ayaw mo bang maging espanol pinaalis ka ba nila totoy
As a Filipino, sabah isn't really important as the Mindanao region is still unstable. And if sabah will be part of the Philippines it will just be a complicated mess
UK created the middle east issue and also this wow 😮
Exactly. You may also include Punjab/ India/ Pakistan/ Bangla Desh.
they made palestines and israelites fighting each other too
The Brunei sultan never gave any Borneo territory to Sulu sultanate. A Brunei noble asked Sulu for help during a civil war in Brunei promising a piece of Borneo land to them, but Sulu did not help and the offer of land was rescinded. However, the Sulu people, a notorious stock of marauding pirates, claimed the land illegally, in today’s terms. Sulu continued to claim the land over the generations to this day. They never ever set up government in Borneo but you can bet they burned and looted the villages and took people into slavery. The Europeans that came later made treaties with the Bruneians and local people through their chiefs. Papers were legally signed with Brunei and then in some areas signed with Sulu too to shut them up because Sulu illegally claimed the land and are a known fierce piracy people.
In a court of proper international laws, such as the UN, there is no way Philippines would win. In fact, it would be a total dismissal. Most likely, the UN wouldn’t entertain to waste time on such a baseless case.
As a Filipino, I am willing to let Sabah be part of Malaysia just to keep the peace in the region and have a formal agreement with Malaysian government about it. As it turns out, we must focus our attention towards China in the West Philippine Sea.
anong pinagkaiba nun?ibibigay mo yung sayo para lang magfucos sa isa tanga ka ba?.isipin mo nmn nararamdaman ng mga totoong may ari sa sabah yung mga sultan sa mindanao na sila tlga may ari.bakit d ba pweding kunin atin na wala ma sasakripisyo?parang binenta mo na tatay mo mapalaya lng nanay mo kung ganyan
Yan na naman sa word na As Filipino. As a real Filipino, West Philippine Sea, Sabah or any part of Philippines di dapat pinamimigay na lang sa mga magnanakaw ng teritoryo at sabihing move on na lang. Filipino ka ba talaga, hahayaan mo na lang kamkamin ang lupa mo, angkinin ang yaman mo, papayag ka na lang ba? Di ka tunay na Filipino.
Bida2x na as a filipino 😢
@@PinoyTVNews dami mo alam la ka namann magawa
You a Nice Person much more.experence of history...I'm.malaysian of Johor..I speak visaya.tagalog.little bit Broken Spanish..Elocano..Philippines..many of m'y Friends..Pinoy...
Issues like this is never really forgotten, it is ingrained in the national psche of both nation.. It will pester on but it will eventually boil over..
Such a war obviously won't happen to begin with. Philippines is incredibly weak relative to Malaysia, and would just end up defeated quickly while not gaining anything. Why get your head bashed in by someone many times your size?
As pilipino I'm love 🇲🇾.. respect them
Wag ka masyado magtiwala ,,,maging loyalist nalang tayo sa sarili nating bansa
@@bluecanterifykung ako nasa Sabah, ayaw ko mapunta sa Pilipinas. Economic wise, IQ rating ng mga tao, income per capita napakababa.
@@kurugaligala2266
tama... gising ka pa.. mabuti pang wag na lang gumising araw-araw.
bagama't mayroon din
kumakain ng umaga, tanghali at gabi araw-araw?
@@bluecanterify
kung willing kang kumain ng pag pag araw araw, ituloy mo..
Respect our country yess western destroy our relationship remember?? Youbstupid if deny
We Indonesian🇮🇩support our Austronesian brother🇵🇭🤝🏼
As a 🇲🇾, we support Papua independence ✊
What do you mean by 'we'.. It's only you and your kind. How the about OPM in Papua and GAM in Acheh? Please mind your own business first.. Your internal conflicts are much better to be taken care of rather than putting your nose to where you don't belong.
@@azrifmik4elblud still live in 2003💀 OPM bout to get mass gen0c1de from our govt😎 cope harder midgaysia melayudesh🇲🇾🇧🇩🦍😤🤣
@@wanabdulazim1893 Full support for sulu sultanate 🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨
We Malaysian made Indon our cheap illegal labours & prostitute
I’m Sabahan i choose Malaysia rather than Philippines. Titik!
fjckyu noobs
I'm Sabahan Malaysian government is ignorant, Philippines would be better 😂
@@i.feel.so.colddd Are you a pilak?
@@i.feel.so.colddd No thanks
But your land owners wants it back, if you want to be part of Malaysia go to Malaysia, youre living in a territory that isnt yours
Let History be history, Sabah is now Malaysia, move on
I don't want war but I don't want to reject the rights of our people who owns Sabah. I wish this will be solve in a peaceful manner since lives are at stakes here.
@@RyzenShanks MOVE ON
@@tomhello7314 if something is stolen from you, i hope everyone including the cops will say, move on!
@@RyzenShanks got it
Yassss
As an Indonesian i just wanna say countries should better focus to the betterment of territories theyre already owned.
No to war! Let the people there live happy lives. Filipino here... 😊
The Philippines invading a country is like seeing your high school friend who's been bullied for the entire semester tell you not to come to school tomorrow.
It's not the Philippines, it was the sultanate's men
Keep on believing
it was never malaysia's in the first place. it is just a landlord coming back to his leased land.
@@xXxSkyViperxXx Better off with Malaysia than you guys. The people of Sabah wanted that.
@@xXxSkyViperxXxAnd forcefully taking it back illegally
🇵🇭❤️🇲🇾 peace brother ✌️
We aint brother, ur brother is U.S
@@laru2952 cry cope and seethe
@Alghi451 Nah I'm Malaysian and I don't like Indonesians because of Indo and Malay confrontation look at them very poor than us in GDP Per Capita and one of the dirtiest river on earth 💀💀
@@laru2952 you think i care over immature keyboard warrior and SJW who only dares through social? ofc no get a life
@@laru2952 immature keyboard troll easily got triggered,cope harder
If Sabah belongs to Philippines, so it means sabahan are now citizen of the USA?
Sabah will never ever belongs to catholic pinoys, as an Indonesian i will give full support to malaysia brother
@@Alghi451 most malay look down Indonesians so yeah you are brothers 😂😂
@@dwayne2293 we are indonesia not brothers with malon... sorry
@@mrniceman8683 what ever, rice is rice 👍
@@dwayne2293 Mabuhay Philippines... God bless
Please give us the info and video of the Moro conflict and the events that followed.
Sabah was historically and legally owned by Sultanate of Sulu, respectively a part of Philippine archipelago but unfortunately Malaysian government is greedy. Yes, people there in Sabah are majority Malaysians, but the land was not a part of Malaysia.
JUSTICE for the Sulu Sultanate especially the Kiram Family.
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@@spikulatifr326 lol, Malaysia was only created in 1963, The story of Sabah to Philippines is older than that.
I am Filipino Muslim, and Sabah is ours 🇵🇭❤
Such a war obviously won't happen to begin with. Philippines is incredibly weak relative to Malaysia, and would just end up defeated quickly while not gaining anything. Why get your head bashed in by someone many times your size?
Sabah is one of richest and developed state in Malaysia compared to the sulu Government under Philippines Government. How do you expect Sabah people want to become Filipino
make them a self govern nation its very fair..for all
@@nelsonalva617that is bloody stupid. Just because Phils can't have it you won't let them be Malaysian?
@@nelsonalva617 nope, as a Sabahan I'm more comfortable and confident with Malaysia😊
@@nelsonalva617form new small country will make sabah more exposed to foreign pirates
If Sabah becomes independent it will be easy for the Philippines to seize Sabah back.
A leader will someday rise up and claim the lands.
Phillipino Adolf Hitler , lmao you will lose
@@alikhidzam9007I will take back this land back to phillipines
@@sethl9900 you can't even control sulu islands
Not War - we are promoting peace, whatever it is, they talk in a diplomatic way
bring it on.we ready for it..pag pag will be destroyed
TLDR: No, we won't. We're busy just trying to survive. Have you seen the price of onions? 🤣
No. Because the Sulu Sultanate's basis of Sabah's ownership was never favoured to let the Philippine government interfere with their affair on it, as they leaned more on their confidence in Sabah's affair with Malaysia. The Sultanate and Malaysia diverged only when Sabah was annexed by Malaysia without the Sultanate's consent.With little control or knowledge of Sabah's existence, the Phil govt acts and feels the same way it does over Sabah, despite the fact that the govt recognises Sabah as a part of the Phil due to the Sulu Sultanates' late affiliation of Sabah with the Phil govt in the 60s.
@hopelope1703Malaysia pays the Sultan of Sulu rent yearly. Don’t be stupid is clear as daylight
I am a Filipino, and I don't see the necessity for conflict as long as my fellow Filipinos in Sabah live in peace and harmony with the Malaysians. We ought to put the theological disagreement aside. If we communicate politely, patiently, and with respect, there is no problem we can't resolve.
I don't know about you guys but me as a Filipino, I don't want war between our lovely neighbours especially with our SEA nations. We are one.
Sana maayos sa mabuting usapan ang lahat. We all just want to live in peace. #NOTOWAR 🇵🇭🇲🇾 WE ARE ONE
Halimbawa may pinaopa kang lupa . Kusto mo kunin sa iyong lupa payah ka na sa kanya na ?
Weak thats why there’s no progress in this country because of hypocritical mindset and slave colonial mentality this people have
You think your a saint? Why do you think spratly islands was taken from us in our face? Because of that kind of mentality
Sooner or later a different culture or country will come creeping in and will destroy this country inside and out and when that happens it going to be too late thats why we’re always neglected in the world stage because you don’t have pride as a Filipino
This pinoy pride thing that the media is always trying to portray is laughable
I’m betting this country wouldn’t last 200 years it will break apart if we will not change
If you’re proud to be a Filipino fight for what is ours
the only way to achieve peace is war.... you are ignorant in world history.... what a shame.... also in current events... you're completely blind....
Fuck no, if war is the only answer to get Sabah back, we will do it no matter what happened
Pag tiningnan mo ang mga account neto di naman Pinoy yan sinasabi lang nila na as a Filipino, para ma brainwash ang ibang Pinoy na okay lang no to war, Hindi naman gusto ang war pero all out support tayo sa kababayan at Philippine Territory, di naman pwedeng ganun ganun na lang. Basta ibigay sa ibang tao ang lupa at pag.aari ng Pinoy ng Philippines.
Looks like some people readily want to wage war.
Personally if war does happen (which I don't think it will, unless there are invisible hands that wanted to divide the region), I am more concerned about the people of both countries (and surrounding countries) who will be directly involved in the war.
For Malaysia, it'll be Sabahan (obviously), some parts of Sarawak.
For others, Brunei, and parts of Kalimantan even.
For the Philippines, I see that the whole islands will be at stake, considering they have China looking in on them.
Just to satisfy the greed of several people, millions will get the backlash.
Malaysia sees this issue as some party with a hidden agenda who wants to divide the region. Someone or some entity with big money. Because the Sulu themselves are not rich, not rich enough to spend money and time to fight at international courts against a country. Someone must be helping them monetarily and advised them of legal matters. These are the 'invisible hands'.
Those who want to wage war are blind to this.
If this may be then I mostly would think of it as China's doing, if not we'll I can't point to any other power except for America, but even that would be a hitch considering they are now looking for countries to form another NATO against China.
You are forgetting Philippine relationship with the US. They are oh so readily to host the US bases in their land. Tiba-tiba they gonna report they found WMD in Sabah and we the one gonna get fucked.
It's 💯 supported by bully-China
Malaysia already win against sulu at belanda court, no more chance for sulu
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Im from sabah.. have plenty filipino friends they are cool.. theres no need for war. We can fight over beers and karaoke haha..
As a Filipino, we have no intention on stealing lands from our foreing south east asian brothers.
this story is accurate, But as a Filipino ( not representing all of us). I don't want to take part if war broke out. It is a simple issue of tenant and owner. The malaysian government should buy it out to the heirs of sultanate with the new contract. If that happens, then Philippines government would not have the right to claim.
@hopelope1703 the fact that the heirs of Sulu sultanate win the arbitration case. They already presented the needed evidence that you are asking. Then Don't ask me, you may inquire at the French Court Ruling 😁
@hopelope1703 search at Google for the " Written lease agreement" between the Sulu sultanate and the British.The Fact that the Malaysian government continue the rental payment to the heirs of the Sulu sultanate after the British left the territory, the fact that they produce this tangible evidence at arbitration and win it. Then tell me, why do the malaysian government continue the payment to the heirs of the sulu sultanate?
Or you know.... As us sabahan what we want?
Sabah =Brunei (awal mula sabah ialah bagian dari kerajaan Brunei)
Brunei = kesultanan sulu(diberikan sebagai hadiah)
Kesultanan sulu = britis/Inggris (hak sewa guna)
Dari sini mulai timbul masalah. Dimana kesultanan sulu di kuasai Spanyol,,, dimana akhirnya britis/Inggris merasa sabah milik dia seorang.! Kemudian terbentuk Filipina dimana kesultanan sulu termasuk, dilain sisi britis membentuk persekutuan malaya/malaysia dimana sabah termasuk!!
Sebenarnya masalah ialah bukan kepada malaysia dan Filipina, namun hakikatnya ialah antara kesultanan sulu dan British karena disini British and kesultanan sulu yang paham betul!!! Sebagai mana sarawak juga dimana sebelum dimiliki British ialah dimiliki keluarga broke, kemudian diambil alih oleh British (namun dalam hal ini tak seperti sabah yang dalam perjanjian ialah hak sewa)karena pada masa itu Inggris membentuk federasi (ialah bukan kesatuan namun beberapa wilayah identitas sendiri semenanjung malaya, sarawak dan sabah. Singapore keluar)
Here's a little advice:
Focus on your country's economy and stability first. Too much corruption and failing economy. Even brining Sabah into Philippines, it will be the day the Philippines self destruct from total failure of government. Civil war outbreak, new issues popping out from the new territory, country will fall into poverty, locals protesting, death.
Sabah is living happily in Malaysia, better economy, great infrastructure, racial and religious recognition, support from Malaysians, etc. Dont you think it's better for them to flourish under a better country?
The one thing I'm curious about is, when Sabah is flourishing, the terrorists bagan to invade. Isn't this the same when the Sultan who once had control on Sabah is winning a war, then the Sulu joined in later to help the sultan? Just to be rewarded a piece of Sabah?
We Stand our own Sabah, Philippines 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
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Kid,how many balut have u eat??
As a sabahan i don't want to be part of your country
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Sulu of Sultunate already ruled over Sabah in 17th century then the British came to rent the territory in 19th century. And Malaysia came to existence in 20th century
Honestly, any Filipino wanting war over Sabah should really re-think their life decisions. Supporting this type of campaign shows how irrational someone could be, even when the document is presented in front of them.
The Philippines should abandon its "claims" on Sabah, as they do not represent the Sulu Sultanate, but the Filipino people themselves. This dispute is seriously the most idiotic thing ever in Southeast Asia, and has the same vibes as China claiming the SCS because "historical pretext".
Sabah never belonged to the Philippines. End of story.
@ginra9594 by that logic all ASEAN countries should renounce their claims on the South China Sea and let China occupy those territories as Chinese claims are historical.
Balabac Island, Palawan EDCA joint PH-US base will be the key to war with Malaysia. With US training and new weapons systems coming in thanks to Chinese threats, the PH will have serious capability to destroy Malaysian assets in the next decade or two. Sabah will return to the Philippines one way or another, whether by financial compensation or by force. LABAN PILIPINAS!
More brothels, more prostitutes & more fatherless kids in Palawan...😂😂
Bro forgot US won't dare to risk relations with the FPDA ( 🇸🇬🇲🇾🇦🇺🇬🇧🇳🇿)
Impossible except if Philippines under China Influence.
Please do the video on Moro conflict,I'm Malaysian and I would love to know more
Those Moro if given an option would like to join Malaysia.. 😊
Their future and lifestyle will improve tremendously.
Malaysia has the capacity and ability to get the good result in short time.Cheers.
Spanish and America not claimed Sabah.
Only abolished sultanate want claim Sabah.
Would the Philippines go to War over Sabah? I don't know, let's check our savings account... Yep... Nothing in there. Maybe next year.
We-kami-kita like-❤-respect to Mlys-Phlpn , Indo-Mlys-Phlpn not just close as neigbour its 3 beautiful landscape nature archipelago country , same race-ethnic n similliar culture too (3 biggest archipelago country)
As a Filipino, we will not go to war over Sabah and I am against it personally. Malaysia is a brother of Philippines, ASEAN cofounder and ally. We are a loyal friend and we do not betray our brothers.
As a Sabahan, I love my FIlipino brothers and sisters but we will never join the Philippines. This doesn't mean we hate our neighbours but we are more comfortable with Malaysia rather than the Philippines. Hopefully we will remain friends and this dispute will be over.
In 2030-2035 majority of people in sabah is filipino.
Its happen to evey country like US,texas(most of people mexicans)
And that time ph will much advantage.
Also philippines is stronger than malaysia as of now.
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Source: Trust me bro
@@hijustacommenter10yearsand L malay, fake brown chinese with weird english accent and is 5'2 😂
You will regret not wanting to join Philippines.
@@hijustacommenter10yearsand mad.
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Even bangladesh,myanmar stronger than ur country
Make video about rebels group in Philippine
Rebel groups that was created by malaysia
I think the Philippines shouldn't stop with Sabah, as North Kalimantan was once known as Bulungan (once a part of Sulu) the Philippines will take on that area.
The Philippine cannot legally invade Malaysia even if they wanted to. The Manila Accord signed by both Parties, made sure of that.
Let's be honest. The only reason the Philippines keeps claiming Sabah is because they don't want hostile relations with the Sulu Sultanate. We already abandoned previous territories like Palau and Miangas but Sabah has this special appeal for some odd reason.
Malaysia can have it all they want. The last thing I want for my country is a land border which we are blessed to not even have.
Not to mention Borneo is where all the ISIS terrorists came from during Marawi since it's literally poorer and less secure than our entire country.
Only Sulu (Tausugs) and Ultra Nationalists want it so bad when it doesn't even provide anything of substance.
Majority of Filipino Muslims aren't even Tausugs but Maguindanaos so they also shouldn't care.
Even now, Tausugs already want to separate from the Maguindanaos in governing their new Bangsamoro State which is the best they could have with its own independent parliament and ministries. (It's a Federal Parliament state in a Unitary Presidential country which is completely unheard of)
Proposals are now up for a new "Bangsasug" which is literally just the same but without the ethnic troubles of mainland muslims and indigenous people.
Just revolt then if you're just that desperate for self determination. After all, you people started the Sabah clashes yourselves by sailing there with your own armed groups and showing Malaysia you're a threat. (No more open border negotiations like with Indonesia)
You're outdated, Philippines with USA backing is an illegal occupier and biggest land Grabber of MINDANAO/Maguindanao Sultanate Lands and Sulu Sultanate Lands.
Let the international court be the final arbiter for peace.
Malaysia should just keep Sabah. If Sabah was sent back to the Philippines, it’s just going to be in mismanaged.
As a Sabahan, I wholeheartedly agree. One thing I don't like about it being in Malaysia is the muslim reign. They've been converting people left and right, and if the Phillippines intervene perhaps the issue could be solved. Then again, not worth fighting for,
@@archimedesfromteamfortress2 That's a good thing. The truth will always prevail
@@jesusnotgod5635 do whatever you want with your religion just don't shove it down people's throats and let us worship our own Gods in peace.
@@archimedesfromteamfortress2aik??? Sejak bila orang muslim paksa orang bukan muslim masuk islam? Melainkan orang bukan muslim tu nak kahwin dengan orang muslim, jadi orang bukan muslim tu kena la masuk islam due to under Islamic law. Nabi kami tak pernah paksa orang bukan islam masuk islam.
Let Sabah be independent
I see the Channel and the topic is provoking
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Back then The Sultan of Sulu have a chance to join with Malaysia but unfortunately the Sulu are fighting among each other for the throne.. for unknown reason somehow they end up joining Philippine.. tbh it's definitely a big mistake for them.. if they join Malaysia back then they definitely living in prosperity with good economy for their people..
really prosperity and good economy? say that to the heirs of sulu who is winning now the case and making your goverment pay for it in billions
@@chestermabanag8590sulu win?
@@chestermabanag859028th June 2023, the Hague court of appeals has ruled that Malaysia has a merit to annul Stampa’s decision.
This is the third court that decided in favor of Malaysia.
The Sulus keep on losing and court hopping in order to enforced a shame decision of Stampa.
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It's only June, 2023 🙄
@@suskagusip1036 Tq bro. My mistake.
Soon a new country will emerge - the COUNTRY OF BORNEO!
zamn nah
I suport phillipines.
Why do you want to ruin sabah
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Filipinos and Malaysians are brothers. As Filipino, a war with malaysia is like a war with your bother. Hurting your brother inflicts more agony to yourselves.
I do hope that this issue will be settled with love.
What??? Malaysian mistreated Filipinos in Sabah! are you out of your mind?
@@anm9-q3vThose Filipinos are illegal migrants.
@@anm9-q3vhahahaha dumbass
sultanate of sulo clan was recognized by Spain as Royal blood and untouchable in that time.
The sulu clan lost control even in mindanao
Untouchable????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
To answer the question in the title, yes they will.
Yup. Can't settle talk and talk. Go to war and settle once and for all.
No they won't
Sabah remains part of Malaysia. End of story
Sabah belonged to the Philippines which was seized by the British, meaning that Sabah belonged to the British, not Malaysia. Now the British no longer cared about Sabah, and it was natural that the Philippines considered Sabah their territory.
Any Filipino and Sulu supporters would point to the 1878 agreement and claim that Sabah was lease to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). But there are numerous evidence to point that Sulu did not previously own Sabah as the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs would suggest, the claim that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu as a gift can be disputed and debunked by the following evidence:
- 1877 Agreement
Prior to the 1878 Agreement which was signed between the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) and the Sultanate of Sulu, there was an agreement that was signed in 1877 between the Sultanate of Brunei and the British North Borneo Company. Within this agreement, the word “grant” has been used numerous times. It’s also stated within the agreement that the entirety of North Borneo (Sabah) will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) for 15,000 Mexican gold coins .
With these statements, it’s clear that the Sulu Sultanate did not own North Borneo (Sabah) and that the 1878 agreement is redundant.
I would also like to point out that within the 1878 agreement, the word “pajak” was meant to be stated a “grant and cede”, and within the receipts of the so-called “rent payments” are listed as cession payment. Cession means to give something away. With that this proves that the 1878 Agreement wasn’t a lease agreement but rather a cession agreement.
But let’s say for the sake of argument that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu and that the Sultanate of Sulu did indeed own Sabah and that the 1878 agreement was a lease agreement. Yet the Sultanate of Sulu has signed many agreements which relinquishes their rights over Sabah. These are the following:
- 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement
This agreement highlights the Sultanate of Sulu’s surrender of sovereignty to Spain. This means that anything happens whether internal or external affairs is under Spanish jurisdiction.
- Article III of the Madrid Protocol of 1885
The Madrid Protocol of 1885 was an agreement between the United Kingdom, Germany, and Spain to recognise Spain’s rule over the Sulu Archipelago. There is a particular statement within Article III which states that Spain will relinquish all of their claims on Borneo. This alongside with the 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement as stated previously shows that the Sultanate of Sulu now no longer have any jurisdiction over North Borneo (Sabah). This also means that North Borneo (Sabah) is now under complete British jurisdiction.
- 1903 Confirmation of Cession
This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) in which it states that the Sultanate of Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo (Sabah) as well as additional islands which is how the payment of 5,000 Mexican gold coins which at this point has switched entirely to the Malayan dollar increased to 5,300 Malayan dollars.
- 1915 Carpenter Agreement
This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the United States. Within this agreement it states that any power that the Sultan of Sulu has over his land has been given to the Philippines which is under American-rule.
- 1930 Anglo-US Border Convention
This agreement was signed between the United States and the United Kingdom. This agrement also define the border of North Borneo (Sabah) and the Philippines with the agreement being that North Borneo (Sabah) will remain under British jurisdiction and the Philippines being under American jurisdiction.
- 1963 Malaysia Agreement and Malaysia Act of 1963
Finally this agreement was signed between the United Kingdom, Malaya, Singapore, Sarawak, and North Borneo (Sabah) to form a new country now known as Malaysia. Now that North Borneo (Sabah) has gained it’s independence from the UK, they opted to join this agreement and with the previous agreements signed, it means that North Borneo (Sabah) now have self-determination. And with the UK approving this agreement under the Malaysia Act of 1963 which has been passed in the British Parliament. This agreement has also been recognised by the United Nations and agreed on by the UN General Assembly and the UN Secretary-General himself. This means that Sabah is now rightful Malaysian territory.
With all of these facts in place, it’s clear that Sabah rightfully belongs to Malaysia and neither the Philippines nor Sulu have any legal claims over Sabah.
Correction - Brunei used to control Philippines with Manila, Panay, and Sulu ruled by the same family as Brunei