Who Really Owns Sabah? Philippines vs. Malaysia (Part 1)
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- Here’s a summary of what you need to know about the Sabah dispute between the Philippines and Malaysia. This is Part 1 of my 3 part series about the conflict over North Borneo.
Part 2: “Untold History of Sabah! Sulu vs. Brunei” (a deep dive into the precolonial and colonial history of the dispute, coming soon!)
Part 3: “The True Owners of Sabah? Philippines vs. Malaysia” (explore the modern-day impacts of the conflict, from WWII to the 2022 French arbitration, coming soon!)
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:35 Why are countries fighting over Sabah?
03:36 Precolonial Sultanates
05:48 The British Empire
09:09 What Happened after WWII?
09:50 Philippines Claim - Diosdado Macapagal
11:53 Operation Merdeka - Ferdinand Marcos
14:23 What Happened in 2013?
16:25 What now?
18:57 Shoutouts & Closing
Learn more:
📜 "The Philippine Claim to Sabah", in Journal of the Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society, by H. G. Tregonning,
📖 “The Sabah Claim of Diosdado Macapagal in the Center of Diplomatic Relations with Malaysia and Indonesia” by Stephen L. Macaraeg
📖"The Moro Struggle in the Philippines" by Cesar Adib Majul
📖"Muslims in the Philippines" by Cesar Adib Majul
📜 "Malaysia-Philippine Relations: The Issue of Sabah", in Asian Survey, Paridah Abd. Samad and Darusalam Abu Bakar
📜 "The Origin of 'Sabah' and a Reappraisal of Overbeck as Maharajah", in Journal of the Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society, by P. J. Rivers
📜 “The Philippine Claim on North Borneo: Another Look.” Philippine Studies 36, by Alfredo G. Parpan
📜 “THE PHILIPPINE CLAIM TO SABAH AND INTERNATIONAL LAW.” Malaya Law Review 10, by Jayakumar, S.
📜 “The Philippines and Sabah Irredenta.” The World Today 24, by Michael Leifer
📜 "From Bitter Memories to Heritage-Making? The Jabidah Massacre and the Mindanao Garden of Peace" by Rommel A. Curaming
📜 "Muslim Separatism: The Moros of Southern Philippines and the Malays of Southern Thailand" by W. Kadir Che Man
📜 "The State-Moro Armed Conflict in the Philippines: Unresolved National Question or Question of Governance" by Rizal Buendia
📜 "Sulu and Sabah: A Study of British Policy toward the Philippines and North Borneo from the Late Eighteenth Century" by Nicolas Tarling
📜 "Moro Archives: A History of Armed Conflicts in Mindanao and East Asia" by Norodin Alonto Lucman
📜 "Revolt in Mindanao: The Rise of Islam in Philippine Politics" by Goerge Thayil
📜 "Aristocrats of the Malay Race: A History of the Bangsa Moro in the Philippines" by Nasser A. Marohomsalic
📜 "Macapagal, the Sabah Claim and Maphilindo: The Politics of Penetration" by Gerald Sussman
📰 ‘Sabah: A Dispute That Refuses to Go Away’ by Anna Malindong-Uy
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Kirby Pábalan-Táyag Aráullo is a renowned Filipino Culture Bearer and currently the National Coordinator for Culture and Heritage for NAFCON (National Alliance for Filipino Concerns). He is a Dátû and Lakan by blood, and an Activist at heart. Kirby is a direct descendant of the last Paramount Kings of Luzon (of both Lakandúlâ of Tondo and Rája Matandá of Maynílâ), and of the anti-colonial revolutionary Katipuneros and World War II Guerilyeras who fought for the liberation of the Philippines from colonialism. His upbringing exposed him to the contradicting worlds of traditional politics and grassroots activism.
With a keen interest in varying fields (such as history, government, and human rights) and a strong commitment to serve the community, Kirby studied in some of the world’s most prestigious institutions, such as the University of California, Davis, Harvard University, and Université catholique de Louvain. Kirby is also the Co-Founder of the Bulosan Center for Filipino Studies at UC Davis and author of the groundbreaking book “Black Lives & Brown Freedom: Untold Histories of War, Solidarity, & Genocide.” He is a visiting professor at various colleges in the Philippines and a research fellow with Ágúman Sínúpan Singsing, an institute for indigenous advocacy and the study of Kapampángan language, history, and culture. Kirby is also well-known for his educationally engaging TH-cam channel where you can find videos about history, culture, and everything in between!
Dátû Kirby is an educator who is well-rooted in his culture and passionate about his colorful heritage (Kapampángan, Tagálog, Indigenous Áytá, Pangasinan, and Spanish-Basque-Portuguese Mestizo); he strives to decolonize Philippine history and democratize Ethnic Studies through knowledge and creativity. - บันเทิง
If 2 fish are found fighting, you can be sure the British is involved or caused the dispute. 😂
1. Palestine - Israel
2. India - Tibet - China
3. Myanmar - Bangladesh and the Rohingyas
4. India - Pakistan
5. Muslims vs. Hindus within India
6. Pakistan - Afghanistan
7. Turkey - Cyprus - Greece
8. Philippines - Malaysia
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9.Malaysia- Indonesia
But
Haiti and Dominican republic is spain and france
in africa basically every thing , they made sure to divide one ethical group into more then 3 different countries
The western and Europe are mastermind in.this dispute. Thus, we should avoid any conflict but if this conflict continue the western and Europe will deploy its jet fighter in sabah and no one will gain benefits from it
🤣🤣🤣 they (the British) is the precursor of all modern disputes to get the Bible golds in which eventually they created the modern complicts AKA skirmishes or wars
Im tausug originally and born in sabah .... 🙏🏻 Thanks make this video... I want a peace situation
In case you haven't seen it yet, I gave you a shoutout on Part 2 😊 th-cam.com/video/e0VUS5H1cC0/w-d-xo.html
@@KirbyAraullo Speaker Tagalog?
selfish mo gago ikw lang naman mag isa ang peace dian sa sabah kce may IC ka paano yung iba bobo mo
@@KirbyAraullonow what??? Who are actually winning the case & have Sabah???
Nah, we don't want peace
For ultranationalist Filipinos simply claiming Sabah should be a part of the Philippines because of this issue, this is a very useful question: "List down at least three major ethnic groups in Sabah." 9 out of 10 they will have no idea lmao
Those Filipinos call us squatters and they said Filipino are the real people of Sabah. So we Kadazandusun, Dayak, Murut etc are squatters? We've been here since ancient times.
Irrelevant. We don't claim the demographics. We claim the land. Big difference.
@@grandmasteryoda6929 Filipinos refer to citizens of the Philippines. It's not an ethnicity.
@@markgilrosales6366 And the demographics own the lands. Not Phillipines
@@markgilrosales6366 And Sabahans are Malaysian. Not Phillipines
Thanks for making our video request Idol!
Good presentation and I loved your effort putting all of the facts decently. I hope you going to mention the Confirmatory Deed 1903 somewhere in the next part of this episode. I believe it’ll add confusion more to this matter. Good job sir 👏🏻
Thank you for this video! I am not Filipino, but my wife is from Sulu, and her parents and many other relatives live in Sabah. This clears up a lot of why there is such a strong Filipino influence in an area that maps always show as being Malaysia. I had no idea the complexity of the underlying claims between the two countries.
The british had two contracts that are highly suspicious and very different in translation one says lease while the other days "rent to own".so many times the sultanate of sulu was backstabbed,same thing with the " treaty of bates " from the U.S. which they utterly destroyed and conquered the sulu sultanate anyway..
The sultanate of Sulu is definately Malays.
It has nothing to do with the Filipinos.
If theres conflick it is Malaysians and Sulus business.
@@normahabusamah5127 ok settle your business with the Sultanate of Sulu. The arbitral court ordered Malaysia to pay $14.9B to the Sultanate of Sulu.
@@normahabusamah5127 but sulu sultanate ceded their rights of sulu to Republic of the Philippines 1962 to seek help from Ph government then coz Malaysia greedily made Sabah part of Malaysia federal state. Philippines now has the rights to Sabah, Philippines
@@normahabusamah5127 we Filipinos are malays too but we don't want to be Malaysian junk 😂😂
Kirby I have some suggestions for your future videos and also I wanna learn
-The Philippines during the cold war or after the nation got independence from the US
-History of Visayas and Mindanao
Yes maganda yan. Wala nga rin kaming history sa ilocos at cordilleran yung sa pre colonial. Yung history kasi namin nagsimula nalang noong spanish and american
Yun yung mga itinuro sa min
@@rannarann9316 simula lang iyan sa Aquino Administration unti unti nawala sa Philippine history book. Kaya mga late generation walang alam sa kasaysayan ng Pilipinas, maliban lang mag research sila sa Google.
Hi Kuya! Thanks for using your platform to educate Filipinos & Filipino Americans. I’ve been trying to reconnect with my Filipino heritage, and I’ve learned a lot from you, more so than the American education system has taught me.
Maraming salamat, this means a lot to me 😊
But the information you get from it is not necessarily true.
Terima kasih So much Brother...Your video are so Good.and easy explanation
Thanks and welcome! :)
Ooohhh ngl I thought the Philippines claims over sabbah is the whole northern borneo never thought only some part of it thanks for illuminating me sir Kirby! I'm so excited for part 2!!!
Yet the indonesian part philipine didnt claim.... to scare to make two enemy as the same time ?
@@deranjang9935 no, we can actually go to war with sticks and stones if we want to, it's just not worth it to make enemies if we can make friends instead. We are not assholes like you.
@@deranjang9935 it should be "too scared to make two enemies at once" well you have a point, but also kind a narrow-minded to regard neighboring countries as "enemies" be mindful of your word selection I suggest.
Regarding to the Philippine sabbah part occupied by Indonesia, honestly I can't answer to that but I know that Indonesia is far more sensible when it comes to territorial disputes (take the Celebes sea talks for example) unlike Malaysia who disregarded the whole issue as if it's nothing until the seize of Petronas asset. It might also be that a territorial talks between the two nations are taking place without our knowledge or overshadowed by Malaysia-Philippine issue which obviously lots of people are focusing more.
@@dangerlovesong6932 you forget...or just dont want to mention BRUNEI.
@@deranjang9935 3 bro, 3... dont forget the tiny one, that is the real owner of sabah.
WOW, love your video!!! Go go go as we are looking forward to your next video about this controversial claim over Sabah!!! Thanks much!!! 👍👍👍
Hello sir, Please continue to topic this issue and spread the information about what really happening towards this issue..
Ang pinakahinihintay ko sa channel mo sir Kirby mula pumutok ulit ang agawan ng Philippines at Malaysia sa Sabah nung July. Ang dameng mindblowing facts! Keep it up sir! 👍👍
Salamat 😊
So basically, after WW2, the British Empire gave the lease of Sabah to Malaysia and after Malaysia was established, Malaysia had to pay the Sultanate of Sulu because the British Empire gave them the lease so that means Malaysia have no rights over "a part of sabah(north borneo)" and the Sultanate of Sulu is the rightful owner of the said land. am i right?
Exactly Sir..
Not so...the lease was never being paid again after Sabah or north borneo was independent and united wiht Sarawak dan Malaya to make Malaysia Federation...and the cause why the lease never being pay because Philippines never give and recognize the sulu sultanete was a sovereign and its the reason why it beings knows and recognize as the sulu sultanete have been abolished...same goes to most of Indonesian sultanete...they exist but not have any power of their sovereign and it was recognized as abolished too...that what happen to every kingdom and sovereignty in every republic nation especially in this Southeast Asia
Search any country that were colonized by the British were always in trouble up to now.
@@marierocher4422 it Malaysia only because Philippines and Indonesia never except Federation of Malaysia sovereignty...you know from MAPHILINDO issues...
@@mohdnazri3085 you have your points and true. But if you search other countries there’s some footprints left behind by the British. Check how Kuwait was separated from Irak in 1921/22. Palestine, Iran. Not hating the British but most colonizers were.
Rajah (Or King) Baguinda Ali the "predecessor" of Sultan Sharif Ul-Hashim (1st Sultan of Sulu) was a prince from Pagaruyung of Minagkabau Kingdom which is now part of INDONESIA.
Sayyid Abubakar bin Abirin or Sharif Ul-Hashim or Paduka Mahasari Maulana al Sultan Sharif ul-Hashim a Johor born Arab explorer founded the Sultanate of Sulu on November 17, 1405. Johor is one of today's MALAYSIAN state located in Malay Peninsula. He was married to Dayang-dayang Paramisuli, the daughter of Rajah Baguinda Ali.
Present time mainland of the former Sultanate of Sulu is part of the Republic of PHILIPPINES.
The TRUTH:
South East Asia was a different, and could have been a lot different scenery without the Western Occupations (Spanish, British, Portuguese, Americans etc.) The westerners sets our boundaries very much differently from what it was used to be, according to their respective sovereignty.
The once INDEPENDENT & DIVERSE insular Southeast Asian Kingdoms/Sultanates which contains mostly a mixture of descendants of Proto-Malay (Nesiot) and Pareoean peoples who were influenced by Malayo-Polynesian and other groups, were made divided by geo-political divisions set by western colonizers.
This is true. It's the westerners fault we're on this mess to begin with. They should be held accountable at all cost.
Johor where? Johor next to singapore? And just dont put the paragraph "present time the mainland of sulu sultanete,has become part of Phillipine" dont you want to question how it become part of Phillippine?
True but in reality i could probably say that if without western influence we could still be having infighting between nations as to what western influence blended with rennaisance and humanism in the end of the dark ages in europe.we would mostly likely be having warring states right about now.
The British empire has a habit of messing up things. Like what they did to India and Pakistan.
@@MrStalkerhunter Yup, on the other hand, you're right....
I couldn't find part 3.. can anyone give me the link?
Btw congratulations and thanks for your history lesson.
I'm from Malaysia, and i appreciate the balanced reporting on all facets from historical point of view.. will definitely recommend your channel to Malaysian diaspora who has been conflicted with the latest court case.
Here is the latest.
Latest news as in June 2023:
1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling and dismissed attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost.
4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about US$6.6m to deal with this Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg, and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m spent.
Mr Kirby Araulio, until today you haven't response to my questions concerning the 1878 Sulu-BNBC agreement (video minute:8.34 regarding agreement on the right - Tausug version). Who is keeping the original copy of the Tausug version of that document? How do you verify it is genuine if the original copy been reported missing during his majesty trip to Singapore? Why Sulu/PH NEVER make used of the 1878 Tausug version in any of their court case?
Eto Yung inaabangan ko mgling magsalaysay at malinaw mgpliwanag tong c kuya Kirby eh 🤔🤔🤔🙂🙂🙂👍👍👍🤭🤭🤭 Malaysian and Sabahan should watch this documentary ...
Thank you for the video.
You're welcome 😊
I'Ve learned a lot from your videos, im pure blooded filipino but the past years i have been more interested about other countries culture and history, i dont know why?… probably because of the strong influence of the western world. Or perhaps, as i grew up, i was more exposed to american and british shows, products, movies….etc.
I believe Sabah is belong to the Philippines because the owner of Sabah is the sultan of sulo in the philippines
@@totomanokan7895 Pekeng account
Yes!!! Heto na
Im a Filipino and Im contented with the current map of the Philippines.
Pagxur ui! Haha.
Mindanao should separate from Philippines
@@shonehellsing784okay lang. Hahaha. Mas mayaman naman ang Mindanao sa natural resources. At mas may disiplina pa keysa doon sa luzon marami nag rarally wala namang ginawang tama at a lot of slums there.
that's not the point
Thank you for more history and information.....
More to come! Salamat!
This is adding up a lot of infos. Thanks Sir Kirby. Btw, are you Jama Mapun?
You're welcome. To answer your question, no I'm not Jama Mapun 😊
This is similar to former European colonies in Africa but the situation there is way, way more complex as compared to this.
Favorite ko talaga to si Kirby. Thank you for informing us.
Maraming salamat 💖
Around 7:20, is this rubber extracted from local trees or extracted from a brazilian species which have been introduced in malaysia by the british?
At first from Native Rubber trees, but as the industry got bigger and more competitive, there was a shift to the Brazilian species. Here's an article about it 😊
www.jstor.org/stable/4255664
@@KirbyAraullo is Jabidah really happened?
It was exposed by Ninoy Aquino but later retracted.
Hello, sir! I just want to ask if there are evidence and sources about the Bornean datus of Panay?
Good video but with a slight mistake, in 2:05 the map is incorrect because Sulu did not control Maguindanao, Lanao, southern Zamboanga and northern Palawan
sumpreme leader, why are you here?😂
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Indonesia support Philipine.
Thank you Brother 🇮🇩🇵🇭❤️
Lol
Its malaysias state, now leave
Yes leave its malaysia territory
@@sabahan3620 its a malaysian territory, its not for philipines
Why Filipinos can't have this Energy for West Philippines Sea...
we should not devoid ourselves of strategy
Hahaha gus2 MO bang matulad sa Ukraine ang pinas
@@myraobrigue2604 yan ang utak ng apollo10. magkaiba ang sitwasyon ng ukrane sa pinas. ang pinas may katibayan tayo at kinikilala ng buong mundo ang pagka panalo natin sa UNCLOS. ang Ukrane hindi parte ng EU kaya nga invasion ang ginawa ng RUssia dahil wlang MTD ang Ukrane sa US at EU di tulad sa atin kung i-envade tayo ng China malamang WW3 ang magaganap dahil may MTD tayo sa US at may katibayan tayo na kinikilala ng buong mundo.
Because the Philippinse is weak, can only fight Malaysia who is a smaller albeit richer country lol
@@TheGetout04 malay is strong cuz of sabah's oil lol
ito hinihintay ko.. sana sir next is the legal claims of China in WPS or Philippines over WPH whichever is correct.
But sir kirby no foreigner have rights to buy/ceased a native land second it is commercial aggreement and not an issue of state because it is own by kingdom and a nation third is the real conflict here is the colonial nation like british and spain why they surrender and give the half land of sabah to the federation of malaysia when it is own by the ruler/kingdom?
If no foreigner have right to buy ceased a native land, then give JOLO BACK TO THE SULTANATE OF SULU.
Spain sold the Philippines to the US.. right under it's nose.
Surprise! 😂
@@_aweshit lol but sulu was not part of them.. spain cant event conquer sulu at that time... sultanate of sulu even help borneo. in war..
the kingdom of sulu is not a part who has been sold on america
suprise😂😂😂
@@arisasprah2100 Yes true, in that time but now the sultanate acknowledge being part of the Philippines nowadays.
@@arisasprah2100 what i'm trying to say is those who won on those times are the ones to tell what story will be the history.
So, we losers just gotta say the usual *'tangina namang buhay 'to oh!'* and the day goes on. La eh! 😂
SoupRice! 🍲
I have a wild idea why not all the kingdoms of all sultans of South east asia have a zoom meeting or something and have a reunion..anyway they are all descendants of the johor empire
yea..... they will just bicker for a looooong time
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Hahaha .yea ..that true..
Brunei empire was earlier than johore n malacca ..
Thank You my Friend we can Unite .
In the early year 1963 it was the last visit of Dayang Tarhata to Sandakan and there was a Rest House of Sultan on the Ground but was demolished in the same year due of infrastructure new building road from town to labuk Road which stretching beyond to kota Kinabalu .
What evidence does Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? NONE.
Actually almost no news in Malaysia lately.
Because Malaysia government 110% confirmed Sabah is in Malaysia.
others only noisy noise.
They're silent because they know Sabah is not theirs. Lol
They're silent because most of their assets in abroad are being seized from the heir of Sulu
@@chocofield proof please...
@@shonehellsing784 proof please...
@@chocofield they said Sabah was theirs BUT they too busy for something else thats why
Maraming salamat po sa bagong kaalaman, Mabuhay ka Kaibigan 🇵🇭👊
what can we do then for those people who are living in between the borders?
Philippines claims Sabah on the basis that Sabah was once under Sulu. Descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claim that Sabah belonged to Sulu because Brunei gave Sabah to Sulu as a gift. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was no document regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans.
In fact on 29 December 1877, Brunei ceded Sabah to BNBC and concurrently Sultan of Brunei appointed Baron Von Overback the co-owner of BNBC as Maharajah of Sabah and Rajah of Sandakan and Gaya. When BNBC went to Sabah to start their business, Sulu claimed that Sabah belonged to Sulu.
BNBC agreed to enter a "pajak" agreement with Sulu after they were advised by their fellow businessmen in Hong Kong who advised that Sulu would attack them if they didn't have a deal with Sulu. BNBC understood that this "pajak" agreement was "cession agreement". So did early generation of Sulu, they too understood and accepted it as "cession". Only later generation of Sulu claimed that it was "rent" or "lease". This agreement was signed on 22 January 1878. The two events above led to an overlapping issue on Sabah.
However on 22 July 1878, the then Sultan of Sulu had relinquished all his possession and sovereignty of Sulu and it's territories including Sabah to Spain. The Sultanate of Sulu only remained as hereditary cultural and traditional entity without any sovereign territory.
Then in 1885, to resolve overlapping issue on Sabah and other issues involving other islands, Britain, Spain and Germany arrived to an agreement known as Madrid Protocol in which Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. As new owner Britain had full control of Sabah. Sulu could not claim anything because they had already relinquished the sovereignty of Sabah to Spain and Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain.
Even though Britain had full control and sovereignty of Sabah, they still honoured the annual cession money payment stipulated in the "pajak'' agreement as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. So did Malaysia when formed, still honoured the annual cession money payment as consolation for the Sulu Sultan, the practice inherited from the British.
Britain gave independence (self government) to Sarawak on 22 July 1963, and to Sabah on 31 August 1963. The people of Sabah and Sarawak had exercised self determination to form Malaysia together with Malaya and Singapore. The sovereignty of Sabah and Sarawak as component states of Malaysia is intact and recognized internationally and recognized by the UN. This was confirmed and clearly stated in the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report "Final Conclusion of the Secretary-General", 14 September 1963. Malaysia was formed on 16 September 1963.
The last sentence of the report says:
"I fervently hope that the people of these territories will achieve progress and prosperity, and find their fulfillment as component states of Malaysia".
Full text of the report can even be accessed from the Philippines Government Gazette website and.
they should have ask the people would they rather be malaysian or a pilipino
They can be both...
They want to be people
Well like Hong Kong....b4 the due of return to China in 1997 like that they can still have a move to retain to Malaysia by moving out Sabah or they accept to be filipino Citizens...simple as that
Actually in January 17, 1962, the Cobbold Commission headed by former Bank of England Governor, Lord Cobbold, was set up to determine whether the people of Sabah & Sarawak favoured the proposed union of Malaysia; the commission found that the union was generally favored by the people. On August 01, 1962 the commission published their report and had made several recommendations. Fellow Filipino here...🇵🇭
Dual cirizenship is acceptable in the philippines. They can be considered filipino-malaysian. Just like filipino-chinese, filipino-american and etc.
Can you cite the fact that before Sulu became Muslim, Sulu already owned Sabah back when Rajah Kamaludin of Sulu ruled East Kalimantan.
You did not elaborate 22th July , 1878 Sulu agreement with Spain, Sulu Sultan had relinquished the control of Sulu to Spain. You mentioned the Madrid Protocol within Spain and British, but not mentioned Spain agreed to let British to control North Borneo.
You also not touched on 1903 Confirmation of Cession signed within Sulu and British. Maybe you should also touched on 1915 Carpenters Agreement with US.
How about the rightful heir of Sulu Sultanate. US defunct Sulu Sultanate after the death of Jamalul Kiram II in 1936 due to no rightful heir. So after all the cession and relinquishing, what was the land that Kiram II family remain.
salamat po sa pag content
Yes, we all know there are also Filipinos in Sabah. But will the people of Sabah want to accept the new government? If the people of Sabah have already chosen Malaysia, let it be, why do you want to be busy. Although Brunei colonized Sabah in the past, during the formation of Malaysia in 1963, the people of Sabah chose Malaysia to be independent together, but Brunei did not claim Sabah because of respect for the choice of the people of Sabah to choose Malaysia, even though some Bruneians feel sad at the loss of Sabah. So what lessons do we get?🤔 🧠🙌🏻
The Sultanate of Sulu protested that and Malaya still pursue to be their state. What right did malaya to do that? Did they own the land?
Ughh correction brunei has always owned sabah in the past,so as with kalimantan(south borneo which is now indonesia) sarawak, these lands were once owned by the sultanate of brunei, now the sultanate of brunei's land is so small its almost invisible and is surrounded by malaysia just like singapore
@@fernandocruz4877 do you ever heard about Cobbold Agreement?
@@agronomist98 cobbold had no rigthts to include North Borneo to be a state of MalAysia bcuz it's not his land. The british only rented North Borneo from the Sultanate of Sulu.
@@fernandocruz4877 Ouh , so in that case I'll assume that you're not recognise Sabahan voice and opinion to be with Malaysia , hence , there is no reason to claim Sabah, because you will neglect them at the end
KIV...Why Philippines try to disturb the sovereignty of Malaysia Federation as same as Indonesia try to did the same disturb????🤔🤔🤔...are this have related to the discounted and the disbanded of MAPHILINDO agreement????🤔🤔🤔
THE PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YET INVOLVING ITSELF IN THE ISSUE… THIS IS JUST THE SULTAN’S DESCENDANTS CLAIMING THAT THEY’VE NOT BEEN PROPERLY COMPENSATED BY MALAYSIA. THE DESCENDANTS OF THE SULU SULTAN ARE PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, NOT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
@Kenneth Patajo yeah agreement base on history that even Malaysia Federation not exist yet and Malaysia never signed any agreement to pay any thing to sulu...claim base on history so stupid just likes China trying to claim South China sea duhhh
The mark stone of km/ml.is situated near the Mosque of Masjid Tawau besides the road,the second one is in Sagaliud shallow river and the last one in Sikuati kudat.might be the surveyed map in leased agreement .
Sulu/PH need to resolve 2 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia.
Firstly, Sulu need to show undisputable proof that earlier, Brunei Sultanate (original owner) give North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in the Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of 29/12/1877 agreement (consist of 4 agreements) signed by Brunei Sultanate that grant the whole of North Borneo to British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and keep at the National Archives in London. The word “grant” been used, and it has never been challenged or protest by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946) and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia.
Secondly, let assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and US relinquish North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. At the end, Sulu has nothing.
Thirdly, subsequent to the second point above, PH claims on North Borneo (Sabah) is null and void. Any colonized colony that seek independence, the territory (sovereignty) is based on what been given by their colonizer. In this regard, the principle of uti posseditis juris is applicable, acceptable and recognize internationally. PH got their independence from US in 1946 and under this principle, there is NO North Borneo.
Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
Ang isa sa aral ng isyu ng sabah ay bago pumirma ng kasunduan, siguraduhin na naipaliwanag at naiintindihan ng magkabilang panig. Ang intindi ng Malaysian side sa Padjak ay perpetual ownership tapos sa sultanate of sulu naman perpetual leasing.
Saya dari indonesia , saya pikir jika sulu menginginkan wilayahnya kembali(sabah ) , dia harus merdeka dulu dari filipina dan sepenuhnya menjadi negara kesultanan dan tak dibawah naungan negara manapun yg punya kepentingan didalam.
It only your terms of convenience not the true nature of sovereignty of a Sultanate... Philippines and Brunei still have that connections in blood and culture
Sabah is own by Sabahan..... Should refer Brunei history......
So why malaysia paying rental to the Philippines and not to brunei if brunei is the owner?
@@silverylight03crimson31 because philippines under marcos love to start a war over the issue. So to avoid war why dont you just pay them some cash.
@@amei653 fyi im not stupid to follow your stupid thought
It was stated on the contract that the lessor will pay the family of the sultan of sulu and his decendants an amount of 5000 mexican peso/gold FOREVER. Malaysia, changed the currency to Ringgit and decided to stop paying in 2013..so the contract was terminated.. So since the contract was terminated, what do you think will happen next? Philippine government is not even directly involved with the case so no one can accuse us of greed. This is between Malaysia and the Family of the Sultan of Sulu.
@@amei653 war?? Funny😂 ur govt started it first by claiming the sabah marcos just protected it by sending our military men. Yall rot in hell
It was happened before Malaysia .Dayang Tarhata was addressing in the field Town Hall .
Ha ha ha ha. Keep on dreaming. So funny. What a lame excuse.
woww pres diosdado was a directdescendant???!?!?!whattttt holyyyyyy new sub heree
I'd rather see Western part of Sabah go to Brunei Darussalam as they also Lease those Part of North Borneo to the
Dutch East Indies Company then to the United Kingdom as a Crown Colony
and Philippine get back Sultanate of Sulu & North Borneo ... Historical Territory of North Eastern Part of Sabah and North Kilimantan
Me, myself and i alone own Sabah!!
Is there an option to give it to me?
Oh, I was mentioned as a source.
I FEEL MERCY UPON SULTANATE OF ZULU
MABUHAY AND PILIPINAS! 🎉❤
Brunei: Am I a joke to you?
Ready for this debate to be refreshed in this Sabah state election in 2024
Every one owns Sabah as long as people plant sabah then they are the owner of sabah what ever it is because many varieties of sabah saging bana etcetera
😅🤣😂 🍌
P.s. for those who may not know "Saba" is also a term/name for a native variety of Plantains/Bananas in the Philippines 😉
@@KirbyAraullo Leila "SABA" Delima 😂😜🤣
@@KirbyAraullo ohhh....like the one banana that u steam?that breed came from sabah?whooaaahhh brain fcukd
Wahahaha putang ina. Mindanao owns all variety of sabah
Wahahaha putang ina. Mindanao owns all variety of sabah
This "arbitration" is crazy. It isn't how arbitrations work. Normally both sides agree to an arbitrator, and to be bound by his decision.
But here, one side just goes and get an arbitrator from a country so far away it is 1/3rd of the way around the planet, while the other doesn't agree. They want it to be decided in court. Nevertheless, the arbitrator carries on anyway, and eventually decides the side that got him appointed wins, and gives them $16 billion.
What's to stop Malaysia from going to get a random guy from any of the 200 countries on earth appointed as another separate arbitrator, and have him decide in favour of them?
Stampa's insistence that Spain and France are neutral grounds is idiotic. They also don't have jurisdiction. When the Spanish court told him to stop, he just ignores the court order and moves to France. France tells him to stop, he ignores it and just ploughs on ahead.
From where does he get this authority to decide this group of people should pay this other group this much money?
No respons to this truth from Pinoy rite. Because they just want to spread lies
I have a question do now sabah is territory of Philippine
I don't know exactly the truth. I hope the best for the both & Sabah especially.
On 12 July 2022 Malaysia obtained Suspension (Stay) Order from the Paris Court of Appeal to suspend Exequatur Order issued by Paris Court. A Stay Order obtained in the French Court of Appeal pending application to set aside an arbitration award in an arbitration proceeding also to be filed in the French Court has a high probability to be allowed since the arbitration proceedings itself was held ex-parte (one sided) which is deemed deficient and defective. Also, this court has no jurisdiction on a sovereign state. Soon it will just be like Spain that rejected the claim.
Earlier, on 29 June 2021, upon application by the Government of Malaysia, the Spanish High Court of Justice of Madrid decided that the service of notice of the proceedings for appointment of arbitrator for purposes of the Claim was not properly served to Malaysia in accordance with peremptory international rules and Spanish law (the “Nullification Decision”). It is also not consistent with the High Court of Justice of Madrid’s case laws on service of process on sovereign States. Because of the Nullification Decision, Dr. Stampa is not an arbitrator in the purported arbitration proceedings and, therefore, all his decisions, including the Final Award (issued on 28/2/2022), are null and void.
Just a Reminder the Stay order is only effective with in French territory... but not with the other states are signatories to the convention
@@paoloangelopenas5073 Ha ha ha ha. How on earth a junior court, the Paris court is superior than the higher rank court namely Paris Court of Appeal? Who told you that Stay Order is effective in France only? Do you know in order to involve a sovereign state in a court process you need sanction from New York Convention 1958. You just can't go to any court to do it. Read Article 1, 2 and 5 which are prerequisites to the convention. There is no application by Sulu as the prerequisites are not to their favour. That is why nothing happened and Sulu been hopping from one court to another.
Copy-pasting my reply to you (which I have replied to you at least three times, here and on another video you commented on and which you were never able to answer):
there are two types of “stay”:
1) stay of proceedings: the proceedings is halted. The case cannot move on.
2)stay on execution: the implementation of the ruling is halted (the seizure of Malaysian assets and the turnover of Sabah back to the heirs of the Sultan).
The Malaysian government got a STAY ON EXECUTION. The award was halted. It did not, however, invalidate the ruling. 🤡🤡🤡
Read your comment again and it may finally occur to you that you have shot yourself on the foot (multiple times now).
andito ka na naman, are u from Malaysian Embassy?
@@DThinkTalker kung may bayarang troll sa ‘pinas, mayron din siguro sa kanila.
Its owned by Royal family of Sulu. If the Royal family of Sulu wants it back, it will not be a walk in Luneta park. It will be a tough fight like Ukraine with rockets flying and with artillery shells pounding every sq.foot.
Just part one and i got headache already ...
The court of Arbitration in France have already ruled about who owns Sabah.
Philippines is not like China who wants to own Asia. As a Filipino, we should just let Sabah be Sabah which is part of Malaysia for many years. What could be the reason or purpose of re-claiming Sabah when the Philippine government can't even handle well the Sulu region which today is still a poor region in the Philippines. Hope this issue will he resolved. Let's respect Malaysia and Sabah
That's why Sulu became poor bcuz malaysia stole North Borneo from the Sultanate of Sulu. Malaysia becomes prosperous bcuz of the rich natural resources and the fats of the land of North Borneo, w/c would prosper Sulu and the Sultanate of Sulu, the rightful owner of North Borneo.
Mention also the rentals was small and not paying.
@@fernandocruz4877 sulu poor because of Philippines government
@@fernandocruz4877 sultan sulu was abolished or eliminated
Sabah belongs to the people who live there. We are not living in the middle ages. Brunei not withstanding, one guy does not own entire countries. Why doesn't the sultan sue the government of the Philippines for half of Mindanao?
The slaves in America took from 1860 to 1960 a Hundred years.
Imagine
What will happen to people out there in Sabah?!!!
The whole system will change.
Banking,life style,economy,food ,services , education, salaries, constitution,opening up, transparency.
Criminal will be free & innocent people in jail.
I hope every one get my message
Probably nothing.
U didnt mentioned the perjanjian charpenter 1915
A renter can not dictate the owners will to use its land...
It lease not rented...duh....it to different thing with to different meaning
Glad you took on this issue, however Sultanate of Sulu is long gone.
Till die our people never join your country!!! please take care of your country first!!!
Bro forgot Philippines is one of the fastest growing countries only Indonesia is above Philippines in SEA for growth in 50-70 years guaranteed Philippines is top 10 global economic superpower where is Malaysia?they are left behind
Only SEA country who doesn't rely on oil for economy lol though Malaysians shamelessly took out all resources from Sabah like oil
@@parkhyung-seok1349 malaysia still higher economic than Philippines, and Philippines still poor
@@kiee6523 gotta admit GDP per Capita Malaysia slams both indo and Philippines but low population is a part of why they have high GDP per Capita since there is low population to ratio it but high population is something that that helps GDP to skyrocket later on the years that's why china and India will be on top in the next decade in economy also why Malaysia is gonna be left in the dust
@@kiee6523 correction the country itself Philippines is richer than Malaysia but the Malaysian people are richer well you could say that but in fact there just more poor people because there's more population in Philippines
Please do refer Brunei Museum during Brunei Civil War during 15 century.
But nobody questioned about what the Sulu Sultanate did with all those billions of money all these time...did the Philippines or Sulu people live in prosper, technologically advanced or at least above average?
Those money didnt go to the people..higher ups masuk poket
Its all the same in every country..normal citizens the one suffer
@@MizanQistina im a malaysian myselfla..sabahan🤣
@@lesterfernandez1056 I am not referring to you personally, that's why not tagging your name
Definitely a difficult issue. Even if the UN intervened, it's gonna end up with a vote and I doubt any Sabahan wanna join the Philippines. Plus this whole issue is somewhat weird because Sabah joined Malaysia after they got approval from the UN so technically it has always been legal and recognised by them. I do feel bad for the sultan of sulu and Philippines, but it is what it is.
Yes u are right Mr Lex Domo
Sulu does not want the people living there but the place.. No need to vote bec they need to go back to malaysia bec they are malaysians filipinos living there shud stay..
@@thinkingmind5377 I get what you're trying to say but you can't just evict 3 millions people that have been living in Sabah for generations. That will be a crime against humanity. Hence, it will always come down to a vote whether you like it or not.
The Philippines will not agree to that. It will be a no contest vote. That's the reason why there are arbitration courts.
@@LexDomo u don't know what ur saying dude..
Topic: Who owns Sabah? Philippines or Malaysia
Great Britain: uhh.. ehm.. no comment.
Jerusalem: that sound eerily familiar isn't it. 🤔
The correct answer is Sabah owned by Sabahans and part of Malaysia territory. The sulu's never came to Sabah or done anything there no govt whatsoever.
@@suriyusof52 Thank you for giving the first half of the story. Now, we just need the other half of it to complete the cycle.
Most importantly, put it on repeat.
Kirby, it doesn't seems you have breathe in throughout the video. 😃
✌️😅🤣
I am half Spanish and half Filipino sir
I support philipines
From indonesia
THANK YOU BROTHER
Ever heard of KDMR? Dayak tribe in Sabah , gak gitu sih milihnya 😋
the only way sulu sultanate will rise is to be with malaysia coz Malaysia respect kings rule till today unlike philippines.. the other way is sulu sultanate need to be free from philippines and create their own country but that will super hard, a lot of sacrifices.. the best way is to be with Malaysia.. after all, they both Malays..
We are not malays or malaise. We called ourselves maharlikans. We will change the name of Philippine to Maharlika
@@fernandocruz4877 yes sir we are maharlikan
I think Sabah will chose Malaysia and Mindanao soon will separate to the Philippines because of religion. Catholic Filipinos are racist to Muslim Filipinos. Blame Magellan and Europe of the disputes.
@@fernandocruz4877 what do you mean your guys are not Malay technically Sultanate of Sulu's royale blood was Johorians
philippines is Malay people aka Malayo-austronesian
Ano naman po ang masasabi ni Darryl Yap tungkol dito? 🙂
Sabah has a lot of natural resources, particular the waters surrounding it.
If Sulu and the Philippines get Sabah, are they good at taking care of it? What smart admits is... The season of strong winds and heavy rains is not ready, the army has to become tree cutters.. Duterte also shoots his own people because of millions of drug addicts. and they only want the wealth and produce of Sabah
The people of Sabah will just suffer if they join Phillipines
@@Mikey-np1bt they are not, once malaysia pay their rent to ph, sulu will benefit from it and sabah which it will became as one and develop more infrastructure. Mindanao has may gas reserve if it develop soon mindanao can be dubai and u sabah of philippines will get benifit from it.
@@cjnem7243 yeah.. right. The Sulu's are just a bunch of greedy people. They have never lay claim to Sabah before and the Sulu Sutanate in yesteryear have not even touch Sabah land and now want to say they going to develop Sabah? LOL!
@@suriyusof52 tell your govt first to pay their debt the money from it will use in building infrastructure, agri etc.
How about the thoughts of the sabahans?
That'll be discussed in Part 3 😊
@@KirbyAraullo cant wait
@@KirbyAraullo
I’m more excited that there’s a part 3 to begin with lol
@@KirbyAraullo Please mention thats sabahan will always want to be with malaysia . Thank You
@@KirbyAraullo i would also love to hear the thoughts of the current generation of sabahans.
Support Philippine from Indonesia 🇲🇨🇵🇭
Thank you Brother 🇮🇩🇵🇭❤️
support brunei not philippine, they deserve the land more than sulu
They gave it to us
Singapore support malaysia... putang ina mo and pukima can be maid in malaysia... hahaha
@@lagojulieta6856, Sulu only claimed that Sabah was given by Brunei to Sulu. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was no document regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans.
What's yours is what you can protect only.
Bayaran nalang NILA Yung mga heirs of sultanate of sulu, and lakihan NILA Yung upa, na makaya nang sultanate mabuhay sa Yaman nang lupain nila
well, there's th 10% per annum interest
Thank you Indonesia for supporting Philippines
My Idea was just to turn it into a condominium state, instead of killing each other and the people living in it.
Good job putting things in perspective, here’s a shout out from Canada
Thank you 😊
I suggest first
Lets sulu free from filipino
Cause sulu people so poor from goverment filipino
Hi Sir , I'm from Lahad Datu, Sabah,Malaysia.(I'm Native From Sabah) , we (Sabahan) have been with malaysia for too long and we happy and proud with our country . So, we prefer to stay with Malaysia forever. Please move on and please respect our decision. we will always pray the best for the Philippines . Thank You
We don't care about your decision., we care the International law ruling.
no... we will pray for you safety departure from sabah
@@redyoung9042 We don't even care about that ! we are sabahan , the land belongs to sabahan . Please move on . Our souls and our blood will always with Malaysia.
@@mixbox2313 Move on . Please
If PH offically claimes Sabah,you can remain your citizenship and live peacefully. It's not your fault why this issue happen. It's the fault of your government.
Just ask the people of Sabah which country they prefer. Let the peoples decide. And of story.
Its like u saying someone ownibg land and let squatters decide.
10:09 typo on Disodado Macapagal
This dispute is between Sulu Sultan and Malaysia Federation. Imperial Manila govt didn’t care about these until now. Southern PH regions especially Sulu and TawiTawi are neglected and become impoverished due Imperial Manila rule.
BARMM was created to address this issues. They have been given the funds to address poverty in your region. If you have complaints then you better address it to them not the national government.
Sulu and Tawi-Tawi are part of the Philippines. So, naturally the National government will be involved. What if there's another Lahad datu incident? Who will help them? YOU?
To say Manila did not care is simply not true kabayan. The priority of the Govt is peace and order and stability of govt. that’s why the BARMM is utmost priority. Mabuhay brother
Respect arbitration international law
yes we resect thats why we not paying The ruling is invalid.
sultan sulu has been abolished so there is no more sultan sulu
I have read some comments from Malaysians that Sabah will never be given by the Malaysian govt to Sulu Sultanate not unless Sulu declares separation from the Philippines and form its own country and government
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
britain on cooking food with spices: 📉
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Hi, I've an Idea. Since I'm a Sabahan myself, is it possible to born a state in which Malaysia and Philippines are together?
Well to be specific, is it possible to let Sabah to be owned by Malaysia and Philippines? Since Sabah was declared part of Malaysia on 1963 by the British empire but the Sulu still not happy with agreement lease by their old Sultan which stated "pay rm5000 yearly until the end of time" in the same context it is still owned by the Sulu.
The state of Sabah will be the most special place in which Malaysian and Philippines can go in without passport.
The citizens of Sabah will have special case of nationality, in which they could have 2 nationality mentioned as Malaysia & Philippines in their IC ( identification card ).
I know that Malaysia could only have 1 IC, but this is a special case now.
If the government wanted to take the tax from the citizens of Sabah, it should be like:
Goods price - rm100
Gov tax - 10% ( 5% Malaysia & 5% Philippines )
So it will be like rm5 for Malaysian gov and rm5 for the Philippines.
All of the natural resources and goods at Sabah will be taken (50% Malaysia 50% Philippines).
In the same time, Malaysia and Philippines have to take care of the people of Sabahan by means of employment, financial, housing, roadworks and etc.
Well, it was just my way of thinking to let both parties in a win2 situation though.
I honestly agree with you on this, that'll honestly would be the most Logical solution to this issue.
And I just even came up with the unique trait of being a native born Sabahan to be both technically Malaysian Pilipino, meaning people who are both considered citizen of both countries.
This honestly would solve everything in my opinion. Kinda like an independent state but still technically part of both countries.
frankly,, we are all austronesians with "kingdoms" personally, I see malaysians, indonesiona as one of us/we are them kind of scenario.. or sibling from another xxx if you wish.
That would be hectic to handle, and if you're a Malaysian,You should support your country.. Remember Rukun Negara, KESETIAAN KEPADA RAJA DAN NEGARA.
But where will you pay taxes? Malaysia or Philippines?
The original lease payment was 5300 gold mexican dollar which Malaysia converted to MYR. I just checked the value of the mexican coins around 1850's it ranged from USD850-3000 each. I used the USD1095 value as an average, the current value of the lease shld be USD5,803,500.00 and the land was leased for farming rubber trees, not extracting/mining oil from the land. My 2 cents worth.