500ADAT Quick Tutorial | Expanding Your Audio Interface Using ADAT
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- Run out of inputs and need more I/O from your audio interface? 500ADAT gives you more by using less!
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In this week’s #tutorialtuesday, Elliott walks us through how to expand the capacity of an ADAT-equipped audio interface!
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By making use of your audio interface's optical ports, you can get more channels to record and increase the overall capacity of your system. 500ADAT adds 8 channels of Inputs and Outputs to your Audio Interface as well as a plethora of processing options thanks to its unique 500 series integration.
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In this video, we walk you through the process of connecting 500ADAT to your interface, setting 500ADAT as the clock master, and passing audio in both directions.
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Is my interface compatible with 500ADAT?
Any interface that features ADAT connectivity will be compatible with 500ADAT however, depending on the exact facilities of the interface you want to use, not all the features of 500ADAT will be available to you.
1 ADAT In Port (UA Apollo Twin, Audient ID14) = You will only be able to use 500ADAT's ADAT Output 1 only. You will be able to get 8 inputs at Sample Rates up to 48kHz, 4 channels at Sample Rates up to 96kHz. With these interfaces, you will not be able to use the 500ADAT's ADAT inputs for analogue summing.
1 Set of ADAT I/O (UA Apollo X4, Audient ID22) = You will be able to use 500ADAT for 8 more inputs as well as 8 more outputs on your audio interface. You will be able to get the full 8 channels at Sample Rates up to 48kHz, but only 4 channels at Sample Rates up to 96kHz.
2 Sets of ADAT I/O (UA Apollo X8, RME UFX) = You will be able to use 500ADAT for 8 more inputs as well as 8 more outputs on your audio interface. You will be able to get the full 8 channels at Sample Rates up to 48kHz, and the full 8 channels at Sample Rates up to 96kHz by connecting both sets of ADAT ports to 500ADAT.
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Learn more about 500ADAT:
www.cranborne-audio.com/500adat
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Read the Sound on sound review of 500R8:
www.cranborne-audio.com/500adat
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Learn more about Camden 500:
www.cranborne-audio.com/camden500
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I’ve been looking for a good quick summary of this process for a while now. Good job.
Best guide on TH-cam, thank you!
Dayum, this one is good !
amazing !
planning on using this to expand the new Apogee Symphony Desktop interface.
Thank you
I’m using antelope 32+ gen 3 and the antelope studio synergy core with this. How do I connect them all? Studio synergy core is the master for now.
I’m so excited, I just got my Cranborne 500 ADAT along with 2 Camden 500 preamps. They’re gorgeous! Now, I have 6 slots to fill and have been compiling a list of preamps I want for a few months now. My question is this: One of the preamps on my list is the Meris 440 ($550). The ONLY reason is because it has an effects loop send/return feature for incorporating effects pedals in the chain. Would it still be worth buying because of this feature, or does the 500 ADAT unit already give me the same ability?
Hey Matthew,
Welcome to the family! Whilst 500ADAT doesn't have a dedicated effects loop with send/return. You could set up your 500ADAT and your DAW to get similar results. Check out this tutorial:
th-cam.com/video/316zC3e7DgQ/w-d-xo.html
Nice gear! I do think the scientists from RME won't agree on the clock master though ;-)
Hey Crypout! We love RME gear and In our other video we explain why 500ADAT might be better as a master or slave depending on your interface - we use my own UFXII as the example! When it comes to master clocks, there are lots of factors to consider as an interface's recovery clock (when set to slave) is often poorer than when it is master whereas 500ADAT has best performance in either mode. But you can use it in whichever way you like 👍
Love my 500 ADAT, had a quick question that I'm not sure I saw addressed in the manual. I have a BAE preamp eq module that takes three spaces, If I place it in slots 1,2,3, can I set 2 & 3 to bypass and still use those channels as inserts or line in on the back? And if I then want to link that Bae module to something in slot 4? Say a compressor, do I need to switch the link across all of the slots? Would that negate the inserts?
Hi Chris, I am researching on 500 Modules and Lunchboxes. Your question is very interesting. Do you have an answer already? I would like to know. And congrats to the BAE 1073D module, that one is a gem. I would have another question. How to use a Stereo channel EQ or Compressor module for this 500 ADAT? Is it possible to dedicate an SSL Bus Compressor to a Stereo Drum Bus in a DAW? Thanks
All via a set of two cables compared to patching. Amazing. Can you elaborate on latency and with the inbuilt converter, the crossover distortion?
Thank you Tau! We do not publish Crossover Distortion in our specifications because it is vanishingly low... that's easy to say I know! The THD of our device gets better and better as the level drops. There are no sudden peaks or THD hotspots and we have designed the circuit to ensure that THD is smooth, consistent and stays low at low levels, only to increase if things get too hot. Sorry I can't give you more information there but all I can do is assure you that it is very, very low indeed! Thanks again! CA
So... if I use an adat expansion unit, am I still using the converter on the unit it is expanding? For example, if I plug a mic into a preamp on the 500ADAT, which is then routed through to a (lets say) Apollo x4, then that signal is using the A/D converter card in the Apollo?
I believe the 500ADAT is doing the converting and sending the digital signal through ADAT cable and through the interface into the computer.
Can I do this with two fiber optical cables or do I need all four
My pro tools is not picking up sound from my 500 chasis. On logic it works well. Help!
Is it possible to use 2 stereo units in the same slots if each unit is bypassed when the other is being occupied. For example, if I have my saturation unit going out via XLR and my SPL big inserted in the same 500 series slot.
Hi Rich, I believe you have also just received an email response to this, but for others who may be interested in the answer, if we have understood you correctly; slots are either bypassed or not, and cannot operate in both modes at the same time. Additionally, since the input source for the slots can only be USB or Analog, it's not possible to separate or split the I/O in the way you described. If a module is present, the audio signal always passes through it. We hope this helps.
Hi! I'm slightly confused and would apprecierade some help : )
I wonder - would the 500adat act as an 8 ch in/out expander even without any modules installed in it, basically function like a normal converer with adat io?
So in practice I could connect a bunch of syntezisers to the line inputs at the back of the 500adat, connect it to RME UFX II with adat and do standalaone mixing via RME or daw recordings if I wish to?
Hey, from what I understand, (I think) this is possible! Check the 500ADAT manual, I believe they confirm it.
Hi Nils1 Sorry for the late reply! But yes, you cannot connect line-level sources into 500ADAT and record them without any modules installed! Hope that helps!
Is it possible to use the 4 mic pres on RME UFX 2 in slave mode and extend the amount of mic pres available (eg: want to record drums with 8 mics) also is it possible to do this without having to buy modules installed in it or in other words does this have phantom power for each of the channels?
Hi Jordan, sorry fo the late reply! With 500ADAT and the UFX together you can record up to 12 channels - effectively using the UFX's channels as extra preamps, but you cannot connect microphones directly to 500ADAT without any modules being installed. The slots only support line-level sources when they are bypassed - but that being said, you could use any preamp - from any mixer, another audio interface or similar and then connect the output of that device into 500ADAT. Hope that helps!
I there any option to insert 19 outboard gear? for example, if I want to use dat channel 7/8 for my SPL St Comp, how do I connect th unit to the CB 500? And if I want to use my LA-610 via adat channel 2, is this also possible? thx
Hi, each channel has it's own TRS input. So you would connect your SPL Comp to the inserts on channels 7/8, and that would record into your DAW on ADAT channels 7/8. The inserts come AFTER the module slot in the 500ADAT signal flow, and each insert is still available if you have no module installed and the slot bypassed.
I am looking online for info on the summing mixer and cannot get any, is it something like the Heritage N console style sum? What is it, passive summing with transformer gain?
same here. been trying to find info on that but no one is talking about it not even the company. i want to know and hear how it sound.
@@BENNGIIE bump
Hi guys, the summing mixer on 500R8/ADAT is a clean, high-headroom mixer and so isn't designed to impart character by itself (although many claim that it sounds great!). But the best thing about these units is that you can create you own summing mixer! Load the unit full of tasty preamp modules and you have a nice vintage-style summing mixer. Load it full of EQ's and you have a summing mixer with more power. You can create any style of summing you want using the 500 series format! Hope that helps!
Great video! One question though, what buffer size would you use when connecting to an apollo twin usb? I like to record at 48kHz.
Hi there! The buffer size will not have any effect to 500ADAT and how it process the audio - the buffer size is set by the interface and you will need to pick the optimum setting for either tracking or mixing. 500ADAT processes audio in the same amount of samples at high or low buffer sizes, the differences you will hear in latency will be coming from the Apollo and so your process may not be too different to how you have it set currently! Hope that helps!
I always use the maximum buffer size for both recording and mixing regardless of sample rate as latency is a non-issue when using something else other than your interface for monitoring.
@@cranborneaudio I was trying to expand my apollo with 500r8.
I used two adat cables 500r8 outs> Apollo ins.. and a word clock cable (Apollo manual says to use it).. for some reason uad console and Daw will not pick any signal on adat 1-8.
I set the clock to internal on 500r8 and adat inside Apollo. Set all sample rates to 48k. Even tried setting the clock to WC on both also.
500r8 meters are getting signal. But signal is not passing thru adat.
Don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'll email you guys as well
@@umarmausoof7151 Hi Umar, thanks for the comment and thanks for buying our 500R8! The 500R8 cannot be connected to your Apollo in the same way as the video above. The video above references our 500ADAT which is designed specifically for connecting to your audio interface. 500R8 on the other hand is an audio interface itself and is designed to be used instead of your Apollo - it can't be connected to an Apollo and used unless there are some specific routings being done via USB - even so it will not work in the same way as the video above. This is why we had to create two different units. Feel free to send us an email and we can work this through with you. Thanks, CA.
@@cranborneaudio I’m running adat on my Apollo twin and love it so far but just got an audient 8pre to throw in the loop and I’m not sure the best way? Struggling with that at the moment would appreciate the help
can I use 500adat with my Presonus Quantum HD2?
This is insane, i could use this to expand my RME babyface. Is each channel on the 500ADAT restricted to the 500 series device directly above it? Or could I chain them as usual I.E. preamp into comp into eq etc
Hey there! Yes you can use the 500ADAT to expand your Babyface! You will get all 8 modules directly into your DAW as well as 8 more channels our from your Babyface. You could record all channels separately, or you can create chains (Pre, EQ, Comp etc) when recording or mixing to process your tracks. What's also cool is that if you have a preamp, EQ, and Compressor in slots 1-2-3, you can record ADAT ch3 to record the effects whole chain, ADAT ch2 to only record the Preamp and EQ, or ADAT Ch1 only to record the preamp, or finally, you can record all 3 ADAT channels to get a full 'undo' in your DAW if you later decide your comp settings were aggressive during tracking! Hope that helps!
@@cranborneaudio ohhhhhhh snap!!!!! That is freaking awesome. Thanks for replying!!!
@@cranborneaudio Niiice!
Hola, deben estar ambas conectadas a la computadora?
Can I definetly use this with presonus products? Studio 1824c ?
Hi @tuddarinn, I can see that the 1824C does have ADAT on it and so it should work with 500ADAT without issue! 👍
If I were to purchase this, do I have to use adat to use 500 modules? Wondering if I could just use the xlr input and output of the modules to my interface if I didn’t want to use adat?
Hi there! All of the IO of the unit is available all of the time, so you don't have to use the ADAT connections if you would rather not! Hope this helps! CA
@@cranborneaudio wow that’s so convenient. Definitely helps to know. It’s next on my list.
Can I use the slots in series with adat? Instead of 8 separate channel just one channel in and out?
Absolutely, if you're looking to use your 500ADAT simply as a single channel strip comprised of 8 modules, simply input your audio to channel 1, then activate the 'Chain' switch on channels 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and then record to your DAW on channel 8. You can read more about the 'Chain' feature on page 17 of the 500ADAT User Manual here: f.hubspotusercontent20.net/hubfs/4191221/User_Manuals/500ADAT/500ADAT_User_Manual_25_10_19.pdf
Dear Cranborne Team ...I JUST Purchase your 500Adat and would like to know if the buzzing noises from the unit are normal
Hi Richard, Thanks for purchasing our 500ADAT! Buzzing noises are certainly not normal through the unit, please contact us at: www.cranborne-audio.com/tech_support where we can help guide you through the setup and hopefully identify the source of the issue! Thanks Richard, CA.
Is there a support number I can call I have a complex setup I need some help
I bought it, mine came in todayExpanded my Apollo 8 by 8 more
I was trying to do the same thing I used two adat cables 500r8 outs> Apollo ins.. and a word clock cable.. for some reason uad console and Daw will not pick any signal on adat 1.
I set the clock to adat on 500r8 and inside Apollo. Set all sample rates to 48k.
500r8 meters are getting signal. But signal is not passing thru adat.
Don't know what I'm doing wrong... @cranborneaudio ?
@@umarmausoof7151 Heres how I have mine routed..... th-cam.com/video/361Fq2AMppk/w-d-xo.html
I wonder if the ADAT cable keeps the audio quality as a normal TRS/XLR cable does
Hi @preciseaudioblog, it's a tricky comparison as ADAT is of course a digital audio transportation method, whereas a TRS connection is all-analogue so neither really 'sounds better' than the other. Most importantly with ADAT and a closed system like 500ADAT is that it is handling all of the A/D D/A conversion into your audio interface via ADAT using its own superior converters in addition to the line inputs on your audio interface - giving you more IO to play with. On a traditional system with TRS cables between a rack and interface, you are not only wasting all of your analogue IO just for your 500 series rack, but the audio interface's conversion will be the limiting factor on the setup. Not to mention issues such as maximum input levels, impedances, balancing and other variables there are with an all-analogue system, vs our hybrid setup. So in theory, our system can sound better (could be quite a lot better depending on your audio interface) and much more consistent, plug-and-play, and adds to your interface to give you more, rather than waste your analogue I/O. Hope that helps! CA
@@cranborneaudio Thanks for the explanation. Cheers!
ADAT cable = spdif optical cable?
SPDIF and ADAT connections use the same cable (Optical Cable with Toslink connectors) so yes they are the same cable - however you cannot connect Optical SPDIF to ADAT as they are different formats and are not understood by eachother.
If your interface is RME then why not use that as a master clock...
Hey Harri J, you can use the RME as master clock if you prefer! There are advantages and disadvantages of both methods! We made another tutorial video about it here: th-cam.com/video/WPoA3vboFmw/w-d-xo.html
This is not Lunchbox. it is Special Dinner.
So essentially the only difference of my I/O having one in/one out is that I can't do 8 channels at 96k? If that's it, I'm not getting buyers remorse yet, as I still run at 48 anyways.
So stoked, and USPS better get their shit together and give me my unit lol
Yes that is the only drawback
You can absolutely do 8 channels at 96kHz. It just requires you to use 2 toslink cables and an interface that has 2 sets of ADAT I/O!
Sounds like he’s saying fire hydrant ADAT.
Are you saying, " farter adat"?
2:06 OK you just crossed the line from confident to cocky. Maybe next time you suggest your clock outperforms other clocks, don't have an interface with one of THE FINEST clocks available in frame when you show us how to set master/slave.
Hi Draztiq, quite the contrary! We are massive fans of RME and respect their interfaces massively - the interface in the picture is our own and we love using it. In this video, we show how you can slave our unit both as a MASTER or as a SLAVE and we describe the differences between the the two methods in terms of the impact of jitter and recovery clock of both devices.
The RME is used as an example interface and ultimately the choice is down to you as the user. However, the numbers we describe in terms of Jitter etc are real numbers published by RME or ourselves. If you compare the numbers scientifically, our clock has less jitter when used in recovery mode and lower jitter when used as the master clock - that doesn't mean that theirs sounds worse or is inferior and isn't intended to be 'cocky' - we are trying to be factual and help you as as a user decide how best to integrate 500ADAT with your interface, Hope that helps!
@@cranborneaudio Holy shit I stand corrected. OK. That's surprising and I'm very impressed. I'm willing to delete my comment if that's helpful to you guys. Arriving on the scene fully awesome doesn't usually happen, you know?