Bilstein or Old Man Emu to Level your Vehicle?
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- So how do the Bilstein 5100s stack up against the Old Man Emu Nitrochargers?
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Not everybody needs to spend five grand on suspension just to have a little fun four-wheeling. In a lot of cases, a well-made strut and shock paired with a solid set of coils are all you need to get a little extra height for better ground clearance, larger tires, or compensate for any constant additional weight you have on your rig.
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I have OME springs and shocks on both my Jeep and my truck. I use my Frontier PRO4X to tow a 2,000 lb tear-drop on moderate trails. OEM makes the rear 1" higher then the front, which enables the truck to set level when towing (289lb tung weight). Both the springs and shocks are VERY durable - had them for years!
Solid comparison and I do agree they are both really similar. Another thing is the OMEs are prone to surface rusting. I’ve ridden 100k miles in each. I loved the 5100s as a leveling kit but then i lifted with a full OME setup. The OMEs are prone to rust and I plan on upgrading to 6112s or Fox 2.0s in the future
Thanks man short and clear!
The pleasure is all ours!
Bilstein 4600s with OME HD springs on my 25 Jeep GC WK
Thank you for the honesty
Our pleasure!
Whwn i uograded my suapension to OME i also added bumpstops due to the new weight of front and rear bumpers..the OME rears have not let me feel the bumpstops at all but still think food for thought
Great informative video.
The pleasure is all ours!
I’m caught between two views! I have a 2012 FJ Trail Teams Special Edition with factory Bilstein 5100s. I’ve added steel bumpers, a winch, and RCI steel skid plates with original intentions to upgrade the suspension with Bilstein 6100s in the front with Bilstein 5160s in the rear. However, after speaking with a renowned overlander and lift specialist in the Midwest, he’s recommending OMEs. Please advise
These OME Nitrochargers do not even begin to compete with the Bilstein 6112s and 5160s so if they are recommending those as an alternative over the Bilsteins, they are definitely reaching a bit to say the least, however they did just release their MT64 line that is certainly a closer competitor to the Bilsteins. We have not had the pleasure of testing them yet, but from what we have seen they are definitely a great alternative for sure.
@@ShockSurplus I’m so fond of the Bilstein 5100s that I’ll likely go with my gut instinct and with the Bilstein upgrades. Thank you for responding!
Very good channel, thanks for all the information you share. I have a 2023 Suzuki Jimny, at the moment the stock suspension, I am thinking of changing the suspension, which one could you recommend? I am between an OME and a Blinstein, the purpose is to raise the car a little, the use is 50% city, 50% off road and sand. Thank you very much for your help, greetings from Peru.
OME en mi experiencia funcionaron muchísimo mejor que los Bilstein, por la configuración progresiva que OME poser
I have Sahara Jeep JL '18. What bothers me is that it is too shaky when I step over a bump or a hole. My suspensions are still stock. I'm hesistant to install shocks and springs fearing it wouldn't make much difference regarding the smoothness of stepping over a bump.
What would you recommend? Fox, Blistein or Oldman? And why?
Thanks for the video
Am I the only one who thinks this guys looks exactly like Kirk Hammett from Metallica?
I currently have 5100s on top perch with stock springs on my 02 TUNDRA 2WD Access Cab. What would be the difference / advantage for me to upgrade to the 5100/OME spring combo? Which combo gives you the best travel range? I want to maintain a 3" lift. Thank you for the great video!
Stock springs on an 02 anything will be quite worn and probably sagged out. If you went to a new spring like the OME, it would likely be immediately firmer and better handling in the front, some people may call it too firm though. Running a lift spring on the Bilstein at stock setting would allow the max amount of travel in the suspension, since you're not running on top of a pre-loaded factory coil spring.
Is it just me or does he look like Rob Schneider???😅
More like Kirk Hammett from Metallica
@@Lamidnightsss That is exactly what I was thinking😂... Dude knows his stuff tho.
Good bless this channel I've learned so much, you learn what no one ele is talking about. In your opinion are the 5100 better than the bronco hoss 2.0 bilstein's?
The 5100s are probably a bit more comfortable on the road or for more moderate trail driving, but they have nowhere near as much support when you want to boogie. You can take a look at our review on those parts here: th-cam.com/video/wmtFOC0_o5c/w-d-xo.html
I went with Bilstein on my 2013 F150. They were OK for 4 months then became incredibly harsh to the point where the dash board would go bang at every mild bump. Tampa Bay heat was too much for them. What a pain it was to replace them again. I went back with stock shocks and never looked back. Do not try to second guess the SAE engineers by hoping that you can fix a non-existant problem with aftermarket hype.
Thank you your insight
If i want to lift my GX460 2 inches but still tow my RV what is the best route?
I emailed you guys about some shocks and what would you recommend. Never got an email back. Luckily I found the ome locally even though they were a bit more expensive.
We are truly sorry about that. I'm unable to look up your email to see what happened but if you like, please call us and we'll help you out.
I see so many people recommend OME coils and leaf springs, and half of those ppl use OME nitrocharger shocks and the other half have Bilstein shocks.
Can't decide which way to go
Both are kind of close in terms of valving if you like the Nitro charger soft and Bilstein 5100. However, we find the Bilstein to ride better in our testing while using the springs
@@ShockSurplus bilstein shocks with ome coils and leafs?
Bilstein 5100 work for my FJ Cruiser
They do, there are specific parts for your FJ Cruiser based on your year but they do offer parts.
I have a heavier metal rear bumper on my 07 fj, the front is all stock and probably will stay that way, can I get a medium spring setup with the stiffer valving shocks from ome and keep a decent ride? It has a pro comp 3 inch lift on it right now, and I absolutely hate that lift. It raised the front like 5 inches, and I go through inner cv axle boots like crazy, and the ride is very stiff. I would like a better ride, but still on the firm side while not being super harsh and from what I can find, It seems like ome medium springs with the stiffer shock, could be what I want. I would appreciate a second opinion if u have time cause I'm not sure if a light load emu spring up front would be too soft? Also, I would say ita 90% on road, 10 % off road
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I'm not an expert on Toyotas, but here's my opinion:
Unless you want to do a diff drop (which is mostly aesthetic because it negates clearance), do not lift more than 2.5". And spacers are a waste of money.
If you want an affordable upgrade, get the Bilstein 5100s or OMEs (you can reuse the factory springs) and a set of replacement UCAS. Your CV angles will be just fine, and you won't worry about doing any crazy damage to the rest of the vehicle that you can't fix later.
Thank you sir great information 🙂!
Welcome!
Which coil springs are better with 5100 for more comfortable ride? Or stock coils are the softest.
OEM would be the softest. Depends on the vehicle as well and what you're trying to do.
@@ShockSurplusHi, my setup is 5100 with oem coils. I wonder why do they make sounds when it’s cold or making turns , any idea ?
Which one is better for city drive and long hi-way travels for hilux? More comfy suspension?
Bilstein 4600 for OE replacements.
Is there such thing as a shock rate, similar to a spring rate? Im trying to find a shock that fits with a little more travel. OME is one of the only companies that make shocks and struts specifically for my vehicle. There are many others that will physically fit, but theyre made for much heavier vehicles.
which vehicle do you have?
@@ShockSurplus 2000 chevy tracker 2dr 4x4 2.0L
If I get the blisteins with the oem springs do I need to do anything else to my suspension? I'd like to lift 2.5inches if possible. Also does the blisteins remove the factory air suspension in the rear?
some those suspension kit come with lift kit. some come with 1 to 2 inch.
It depends on the vehicle but Bilstein 5100 are designed to be used with the factory springs and top mounts and in some case factory spring seat is required.
@@ShockSurplus thanks! And it's for a lexus gx 470
I have a LC 100 model here in Venezuela, I can't find the right suspension kit, anyone knows if the LC 200 2.5 inch OME fit on LC100?
Do you offer and send Bilstein 5100 strut's with springs on them. I'm not lifting at all. If so how much plz.
We can only do that some some vehicles. Contact our sales team directly and we'll help you determine if we can and what set up you would need.
Are there suitable for a 2.5" lifted jeep wrangler jk?
So on the JK they don't use a strut or coilover. Well there is ways to doing a coilover conversion but that'll require more work and fine tuning. Jeep wrangles have a shock and spring that are independent form each other. Bilstein does offer a shock that would fit your 2.5" lift.
Appreciate the video bro! Just one doubt which are the best coil to combine with the bilstein, for daily drive in the city, i was wondering if the OME coils or the dobinsons coil or what other option would you recomend, thanks
depends what vehicle you have and if you're looking for any added ride height. Please email seanbowman@shocksurplus.com to dive into details, or feel free to text 213-433-3616
@@ShockSurpluscouldn't get a reply by Gmail bro, I would higlhy appreciate if you would give me a tip between ome (2884 and 2895E) or dobinsons (C59-300 and C59-505) where both would give me the 2" front and 1,5", for a daily dive in city 4runner 2007, thanks a lot
I have a question for you experts in the 4x4 sector! (and I would like to know if you can tell me if it is true that the ironman nitro gas shock absorbers go well with the original set-up and can be adapted with the +5? I have a Suzuki jimny 4x4 with m13a 1.3 l petrol engine with shock absorbers and standard settings, yesterday afternoon I picked up the new ironman nitro gas shock absorbers and the 4x4 spare parts dealer in Florence told me that these ironman nitro gas shock absorbers are ok for 4x4 off-road vehicles with stock trim or in a second you could put the springs higher and it becomes a +5 high trim is that true? Greetings from Florence Italy!)
It depends on what +5 means. It would be pretty much impossible for a shock to work at stock height and 5 inches of lift, especially on something that runs as short of a shock as a Jimny or Samurai, but if it is 5 cm, that sounds about right.
One size fits all is BS. Going with something that is specifically designed for your vehicle is going to be your best bet, period! I believe OME is out of Australia & they have some harsh ass terrain! I run OME on my 98 Cherokee & their BP51 on my 19 Tacoma. Both handle great! OME isn't all about getting jacked up or crazy travel, their about min. lift & good ride.
I feel as though OME is always talked about and possibly overlooked. If you watch Australian 4x4 shows you can see what the products OME/ARB make can and will do and do reliably. I do agree that they are more for overlanding and ride quality than max lift/flex. I’m planning on doing the OME lift on my 21 TRD off-road
thats mostly true, but its because big brands rule the discourse here in the US, and ARB/OME isn't marketed well here. We've ran BP51 on our own vehicle and its been outstanding.
I want to lift my GX460 2 inches and I towba 3,000 lb camper. Would OME lift with their heavy duty springs be the best route?😊
I have a question, I'm a complete newbie to suspensions. If I were to get the bilstein 5100's and put them on the middle perch, can I keep my factory upper control arm? Or do I need to upgrade it? I have a 2008 nissan titan 4x4. Thanks
You are fine with the stock UCA.
@@ShockSurplus Thank you! That has helped me make my decision.
No problem at all
Tried to install Emu 3165 on my 5100's. The bottom of the coil is too small to fit into the lower spring seat. 2013 Ram 1500
That's odd, haven't heard that before, are you double sure that the spring seat on the 5100 is not upside down? Happens often
Hello,
I have a question:
I have a lift of 4” (blocks)in the front and 2” on the back ( leaf springs) 2016 4x4 Tacoma trd sport
The ride is rough. It’s not as comfortable as I would like it.
(I bought with the current lift it has). I would like to change the suspension so the ride feels better. I don’t know much about what’s needed to be done, I’m new on this and im wondering if you can give me an advise. I don’t use the truck for off-roading. I just use it for normal use, streets and freeways. I just want it to have a smoother ride.
Any advise is well appreciated thank you.
Those 4" drop bracket lift kits do make things a little difficult as you are either limited to retaining the spacer in the front and sticking with a 2" or smaller body strut like a Bilstein 5100 or going to a full length coilover which are few and far between. Sans trading it for a truck that has not had the crossmember cut for a lift already, the best solution for a matching set of shocks all around that rides better would be to run something like the Fox 2.0s. The front coilovers come preloaded for an additional inch of lift from the factory so if you want it to stay the same height when you slap the spacer on them you will want to throw them on a spring compressor to take out some preload, but after that, ride should be greatly improved. www.shocksurplus.com/products/fox-2-0-performance-series-coilovers-reservoir-shocks-set-for-2005-2019-toyota-tacoma-4wd-rwd-6-lug?variant=32323118301233
@@ShockSurplus thank you so much for your help.
Would I be able to accomplish a 2 or a 2.5 inch lift with the 5100 using my stock springs on my 2023 ford ngr xl up front, and a 1 1/2 inch lift rear with 5100 shocks with add a leaf? I want to raise the rear a tad bit but would like to keep the front and back leveled. TIA
Yup, the struts are designed to be ride height adjustable up to 2.5" of lift with the stock springs and the rear shocks should be just fine with 1.5" of lift.
I have putted ome coils+nitrocharger to my Toyota serie 90 and I’m very disappointed, the suspension is too hard. 1300$ only to get a better high ride😢
That's a bummer, you could probably sell the setup and move into Fox 2.0? would definitely be softer
@@ShockSurplusthing is, what make my ride tough? the coils or the shocks?
@@JanChacn wondering this same thing.... got a full ome kit for my 3rd gen and tbf i planned on it being stiff for getting bumpers but its pretty rough...was wondering if i could just swap some coils in the rear to make it a little better
@@seanmoncayo8296 if you add weight to your car, it will definitely get soft. I already tested with 3 heavy passengers
Is the OEM (light) better than 5100? For not having additional load.
Which one has a softer tune? The last bilateins I had where so rough
Usually we find the Bilsteins to be a little softer. The OMEs are generally optimized for at least some constant load and tend to run pretty firm because of it. If you want something a little softer at this price point I would recommend taking a look to see if Eibach has anything for your application.
Is bilstein good for over-landing ?
Yup they are great!
Best OME coil spring for Daily driving front and back ????
This depends on your vehicle.
hi, which shock observers you recommend for Ford Explorer 2015? from FOX or any other 3rd party.
Bilstein
How much can I climb with a suspension bp51 and with a bilstein B8 8112
we like the bp51 shock for rock crawling more than Bilstein, the adjustments make a bigger difference as you jiggle back and forth
@@ShockSurplus excelent Thanks my friend
Can I put old man emus on a 2022+ tundra?
not yet, but soon
How’s it going, what do you recommend for a my 2018 tacoma trd 4x4 ? Daily driver
If you're keeping this truck stock height, Bilstein 4600. If you're looking for some lift or towing/hauling support, Bilstein 5100. If you want more jack of all trades, Bilstein 6100 and Eibach Pro Truck. If you want more off-roading focused, Fox 2.0 and all 2.5 series.
Any of these work on a 98 lx470 or land cruiser?
doesn't look like either brand here specifies something for the lx470, but we believe its identical to the LC100, but not sure about any luxury suspension features. Ironman does have a kit that works -
ironman4x4america.com/foam-cell-pro-2-suspension-lift-kit-suited-for-toyota-100-series-land-cruiser-lexus-lx470-stage-2/
There's also some Dobinsons options that we sell
www.dobinsonsdirect.com/pages/product-result?rq=mk_lexus~md_lx470~yr_1998-2007-complete-suspension-lift-kit
This may be a dumb question, but does OME make a version of this which I could use as front shocks on my HJ60 (w/ leaf springs)?
OME does have front shocks for the HJ60, but they're straight shocks and dont have any relation to the leaf springs.
www.shocksurplus.com/products/old-man-emu-nitrocharger-sport-gas-shocks-set-for-1986-2069-toyota-land-cruiser-60?variant=32513795915825
I have a 1982 Toyota 4x4 pickup. I'd like to do front & rear OME leaf springs & Bilstein front and rear shocks. I have a short bed camper with roof rack. I have modest but not huge front and rear steel bumpers, and planning on running a winch on the front (setup for some light to medium overlanding). I'm looking for a close to stock ride hight (plus an inch or two ok). Would the above formentioned combination work? Also if the Bilsteins do work with the leaf spring combo, is the Bilstein adjustment able to work with leaf springs & not a coil over?
Thanks in advance.
The adjustable Bilsteins you see in this video are only for vehicles that already have coil over strut suspension from the factory like a Tacoma, Tundra, or '96+ 4Runner. They do not have any vehicle specific shocks that would likely work within the lift range you will likely end up at with the OME springs, but since it has solid axles with leaf springs we should be able to get a universal 5125 shock with their 255/70 valving to work. Give the team shout through the link below and we can get you set up
www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us
2010 FJ Cruiser
Bilstein 5100 with OME medium springs up front
Light duty springs in the rear
Solid?
Yeah its a popular setup with a lot of good feedback
www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-5100-3-lift-system-2010-2014-toyota-4runner
6112 Bils get the job done with weight
I replaced my original shocks with 5100 plus leveling kit for my 2011 Avalanche. I couldn't be happy with the performance and how it react to the Michigan shitty roads. Yes I said it! The dark side of the moon less harah than Michigan roads and 5100 proved itself.
Haha people don't realize how much shocks really improve stability in various scenarios.
Kirk Hammett...
Enter Shockman LOL
Can't forget about For Whom The Bell(stein) Tolls
lol
@@ShockSurplus
They're the worst be careful with this company
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@@ShockSurplus i tried speaking to someone all you get is a Machine so I returned the shocks Apologies I Was too harsh But the person I spoke to via email email his name was Austin didn't even try too help me out except SS we'll send you a return Slip and that turned me off
I have 420000 miles on my original 2004 tacoma factory shocks and I dog hunt and commute and go mudding with it and it doesn't bother me why spend money to send someone else's kids to college.
To each of their own
This is the stupidest comment on the thread
Lol tightwad!
I used to like my factory shocks but then I got a job !!
It’s when your halving failure. My Xreas is broken so I’m upgrading
You guys make great videos!….but customer service/Support needs some work!
Thank for for both the kind words and insight. We are doing our best with the given team. We are working on expanding the team soon as well.
Lmao tickle my fancy
Level lol, looks crap