That line Spider-Ham says in the first film, "The hardest thing about this job is... you can't always save everybody." carries even more weight now. Literally no spider-person can save everybody. There always has to be someone who doesn't make it. In their society, that trauma is a requirement. I was so happy to see Miles stand up against it.
There's a line from some doctor thing I heard once that basically goes: "You have to understand that you can't save every patient, right? That's reality." "I know, but we have to try anyway. That's being human."
@DanGaningFan2846 Regarding Miles vs Miguel is I don’t get how so many fans and audiences for years say spider-man/characters in general needs to suffer and lose people and go through trauma and what not but now those same people (without any acknowledgment of their hypocrisy) side with Miles who is arguing against the story idea that characters need to suffer and go through loss and trauma and stories need to be dark/serious/downbeat to be interesting .. People are so caught up in calling out the already established inconsistencies in the canon event idea that they don’t understand or acknowledge the thematic significance of canon events as a representation of “necessary story beats (especially for Spider-Man)” that they for years want to happen all the time but can’t admit they were wrong or were challenged by that. The reason why I love this movie is Miles is literally against all the Spideys and tries to defy basic spider-man tropes and redefine what it means to be spider-man and since he’s the protagonist everyone sides and say Miguel is wrong (which he very well is) but don’t acknowledge how Miguel represents them and has a point about some things
It's particularly noteworthy in the context of current comics, where Marvel (the comics company) seems to have made a real, editorial decision that "Suffering" is literally the POINT of Spider-Man. We're looking at 20 some odd years now of not allowing Peter any growth, to let him start to find happiness only to take it away time and time and time again. The editorial and writing staff seem to be on this page of "If Peter isn't suffering is he really Peter" so to see a movie come out when all of that is reaching a CRAZY Peak where the real antagonist is that EXACT mindset is... interesting.
I’m a particular fan of Miles’ “2 cakes” philosophy, because it shows that he’s more than willing to take a third option that isn’t even presented as such. It’s his answer to the “have/eat your cake” problem, and to his “write smaller/talk less” problem. It’s even his answer to Pav’s “save the bus/captain” problem, where the answer is essentially “2 Spider-Men”.
I love that it looks like an emerging theme of these movies is community. Gwen couldn't have finished off the displaced Vulture alone, Pavitr couldn't have saved both Gayatri and her father alone, Miles couldn't have escaped the Spider Society without Hobie's and Margo's help, and he probably can't get back to his universe, stop the Spot and save his dad on his own. But when a bunch of Spider-People band together they can do so much more than just one alone.
To me, Miles is a clear example of a young man that is still treated as a child, while being demanded to act as a man. He is more capable to take care of his own life without somwone else's will overshadowing his own. Even Gwen is fitting him within a box. (to protect him.) Especially with men, this is something that I personally see far too often; and there are numerous examples of this being done out of care moreso than ill intentions.
One thing I loved about this movie (in addition to the other fifty thousand) is the scene where Miles is swing home. He’s absolutely rattled. He’s thinking about all the bad things that might happen, and all the things that *has* happened, but in the end he remembers his uncles words: keep going. His eyes narrow and he focuses. None of those things matter. All that matters is trying to save his dad. It’s such a good scene.
In the reflections too we see ham noir and peni. Gwen and Peter are missing as he’s trying to cut them out. The first 3 didn’t help capture him or even speak about what to do if he ran. Gwen and Peter did, they did it to try protect him. They didn’t want Miguel hurting him like he ended up doing. There “plan” likely involved letting Peter and Gwen talk to him privately. Peter nearly got to him before they tracked him. If Gwen and Peter were allowed to just talk to him in private he would have maybe listened and understood. Miguel trapping him kinda ruined everything they had planned and likely would have worked if he just let them try
@@adamboy0559 Imagine his trauma. His dream of the SpiderVerse came true - and it turned into a nightmare. I don't know about Miles but i'm still shook.🤯
@@summertyme5748 yeah he’s hurt mentally physically and emotionally all at once also knowing his father is about to die. That would make any man insane. He’s somehow still relatively composed after it all and only showing that all he cares about is saving his dad
Someone told me once. “The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the one. But that is real easy to say until it is you or someone you care about” Miles confession to his other mom. Was amazing.
I remembered when I was a younger working under a CEO of a small tech company he asked me if I had a ship that can save 500 ppl but they are harder to reach vs save one that is right in front of me, who would I save? I saved I would save the one because that's a sure save He said no you never save one over the many, his way of saying never focus on one customers issue for so Iong you ignore the others But my young mind is thinking... That one person could be my family members tho..
The leap of faith in the last movie shows the glass breaking...if you know how the powers work, you understand the context that he was still scared/nervous but took the leap anyway... In this movie, the self confidence and self assurance was so that he could easily let go and take that leap...and he didn't take that leap not once... BUT TWICE while a bullet train was rocketing to the moon...
Glass breaking is also a very important symbol for everything...The Multiverse isn't a linear line it's a Prism of Endless Possibilities. In the What If show the glass prism breaks and every single last shard is a separate reality. In short every single reality is a reflection and inherently broken. The cracks in the glass may or may not be the Web of Life and Destiny.
This second leap was also done without care or eventual correction like he did in the first one, as a person that's developed authentic love for myself and a strong belief in myself, the second leap shows you that he doesn't need to worry about how he's getting down there, he knows that he will get down there regardless of obstacles.
The quote I think had a deeper meaning. He isn’t supposed to exist as spider man so why does he need to follow the same rules? He shouldn’t, he is making his own future as he does things. He doesn’t need to have these cannon events for him as he was meant to. He already lost his uncle who to him was important to him. For Peter it’s uncle Ben. Why does he need to lose someone else?
@@adamboy0559yeah, it's pretty contradicting of Miguel when he tells Miles "he's the original anomaly" and hes "never meant to be bitten by that spider" We know Miles was supposed to be the prowler and Miles from earth 42 was supposed to be spider-man. Yet the roles were reversed and no canon was broken.
He was never serious and that’s what I like about him. He is always doing what he wants not caring what others think. If not for hin miles wouldn’t have broke free and he wouldn’t have been able to stun Miguel. He taught him a valuable lesson about his own power in a few seconds. Question is how did he know using the palms would enhance the venom blast?
@@adamboy0559I've seen a couple of videos suggesting part of the reason he is like this, is so that others don't consider him a real threat and he can rebel without anyone realising, just like he did with miles and the watch
@@hellogoodbyeandallinbetween yeah probably. No one seems to take him seriously and know his real feelings. He doesn’t like consistency so the society is definitely not the place for him
When his mom tells him that he had to promise to take care of the kid she raised because she loves him and she gives him her trust. As someome that struggles with it as a puertorican, that meant so much
She tells him not to listen when somebody from a big fancy organization tells him he doesn't belong. Its such perfect advice, for her son Miles but also for Spider-Man.
I could be wrong, but I think it’s a relieve to see Miles not regressed back to his original self before his character development in the first movie, something that are seen in recent Disney sequels like Ralph Breaks The Internet & Frozen 2.
Agreed. And with RBTI, with all of its faults, the one thing I really dislike is how it goes against the taboo the first movie set- going turbo. The moral of letting friends go on to do their own thing isn’t bad but not well executed for this reason, other than Ralph and Vanellope’s flanderized characters.
the best part is, they didnt do that, but they also didnt play the "love rival is better at everything" trope either. the movie tricks the watcher into thinking hobbie is gwen's love interest to compete with miles, but at every scene he shares with miles, he goes older brother, caring and helping him grow instead. at the same time, in other movies, gwen would be this perfect being, who is a trophy for miles once he becomes a hero, and instead, we her hero's journey. the even better part is, how the movie goes from miles literaly pursuing gwen, to now gwen literaly pursuing miles.
I really feel like Spiderverse is telling a very different, more intimate kind of story than a lot of the other superhero media right now and I'm so down for it. It also has a very different message for young people in particular that I think is very positive. I think it's quite evident in the first movie but it comes through so strongly in the second one, especially with Miles and Gwen but also with Peter B. and even Hobie, that there's these strong themes of intergenerational trauma being passed on to these young people (Kingpin, Miguel, Gwen's dad, even Miles' parents to an extent) by older gens who won't let go, or in Miguel's case think the kids 'haven't suffered enough like we did'. And the ways in which younger people can inspire change in the older gen for the better (Peter B., Gwen's dad, Miles' parents) and how young people have to stand up for themselves and find their own story (Miles, Gwen) and have each other's backs (Hobie with Miles, Gwen and Pav). It's gorgeous.
@WandersNowherre What bothers me about Miles vs Miguel is I don’t get how so many fans and audiences for years say spider-man/characters in general needs to suffer and lose people and go through trauma and what not but now those same people (without any acknowledgment of their hypocrisy) side with Miles who is arguing against the story idea that characters need to suffer and go through loss and trauma
@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 probably because Spiderverse is the first Spiderman film story to actually question the validity of that idea instead of presenting it as uncritically true. I don't think it's hypocritical to go "huh oh wait hang on..." 🙄 😒 🤔 when a fresh perspective is presented. It's actually very healthy.
@@WandersNowherre I haven’t seen anyone go “huh wait hang on”. What if Aunt May didn’t die in NWH or PS4. Wouldn’t people complain about it people don’t realise theyre the ones toting the same position as miguel. They may not side with miguel in the story, because he’s the antagonist tho their demands for Spider-man are the same as the ones miguel preaches. people lack the media literacy or ability to introspect to recognise that what they're doing is what has been represented here. No one wants to admit that theyre the bad guy. Most don't even realise thats being posed. But, the movie has given an effective rebuttal whenever they're bringing it up. “Canon Event". From there, they've gotta push on in the face of hypocrisy, introspect or do mental gymnastics to justify themselves to themselves. They can’t admit they are wrong, People are so caught up in calling out the already established inconsistencies in the canon event idea that they don’t understand or acknowledge the thematic significance of canon events as a representation of “necessary story beats (especially for Spider-Man)” that they for years want to happen all the time but can’t admit they were wrong or were challenged by that.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Its just a different story. For many years Spider-Man stories have been very much focused on how the main character deals with trauma, and balancing their responsibilities. Its okay to have liked the old stories for what they were, and also enjoy subverting that with a brand new take on his story. It took some pretty crazy circumstances to break the trope also. Why make it some weird contest? They liked Spiderman when he had to deal with loss .... They like Spiderman when he finds a way to defy his destiny. They like Spiderman. Let them
@@Shiftarus the directors pointed out that this idea of the canon acts as a critique of spiderfans who act as though all Spider-Men have to go through the same "canon" moments. And that any adaptation that doesn't is "an anomaly" or wrong and is treated harshly
You wanna know how you can tell a movie is good? Not only does Georgia say so just in the video, but also because she has *JUMPED* onto making these videos 😆. She just made one on Gwen two days ago, and here she is already with Miles.
I would add something that tends to get overlooked. In addition to his parents + his uncle, Miles is part of a community. We see it in the first movie and this one how he is known and knows the people in the neighborhood. I think of the bodega scene with Spot and Miles talking to the owner + his dad's celebration party. To ask him to let something bad happen not only to his dad, which would be a hit to the community at large, goes against who he is and how he was raised. The communal framework emphasizes helping others. That belief system translates when he intervenes to save Inspector Singh. He saw he could help so he went to help. There's very much an individual and communal framework at play between Miles (communal) and Miguel et al. (individual). Peter Parker as shown in the movies tends to be a loner.
I think that moment with confronting Miguel truly stood out and how he claims who he is and how he's going to do things in his own way reinforces what Miles said to himself earlier with fighting The Spot on how "I'm Spider-Man, and no one can take that away from me." How this moment defines his overall character with what values he stands up for is astounding in its own right. Easily one of the best written scenes of the entire film.
Completely unrelated to the focus of the video, but I *so* love Miguel's interaction with Peter's daughter - his face while catching her is *priceless* Coming back to this just to add: Miguel is speaking to Miles almost esclusively with hypotheticals, "if X, then Y". "If you weren't bitten, things would have been better"; "If someone else was Spiderman, they would have stopped the collider"; "If the collider didn't go off, Spot wouldn't be a problem" and so on. He is basically blaming Miles because *his* (Miguel's) perfectly ordered vision didn't come to pass. Problem is, those things happened - those chances crystalized into (if you will) "canon events". Miles, without any fault of his own, was bitten. The original Spiderman wasn't able to stop the collider. Miles and the gang, though, did - and *before* the spider-society had a chance to step in. Miguel claims he's been playing the long game and looking at everything from a vantage point, while Miles have been walking boots on the ground and trying to navigate in the maze. And despite the bird's eye view he *claims* to have (the "greater good" perspective, basically: he claims to understand risks and opportunity better than those Who would risk something or stand to benefit from opportunities) he didn't anticipate Miles' movements or counter them in any way. The point of the spider-society is to manage "the canon" and do damage control - are we really to believe they didn't have an eye on the original Spiderman of Miles' world, or didn't see how Kingpin's collider would prove dangerous?
@@j.bat.8235 im not quite sure actually, im pretty sure it was because of the first movie tho because the collider was the reason why people started getting scattered around different dimensions randomly. I think he formed the society to keep everyone in their own dimension so that they dont fuck up the canon and end up destroying the universe like he did in his backstory
The society was formed after the first movie. At the end of it Miguel takes the first test of his watch to travel the multiverse. After he sees more he sees the Anomaly’s in the multiverse and decided to form the society to help clear it up. After he finds out the source is earth 1610 and sees Peter is dead and miles is now Spider-Man he puts it together earth 42 doesn’t have a Spider-Man. Earth 1610 lost there’s but gained a new one and there was multiverse travels from it not too long ago. After this he makes it clear miles will never join the society
The post credits scene of the first film makes it clear that the Spider Society was not established yet. Miguel became aware of the events of the first film and scrambled to make a multiverse hopping watch, but it wasn't completed until the events of the first movie concluded.
Okay, but Miguel saying "You're the original anomoly" is really just him projecting. His own conscious choice destroyed a universe. At the very most Miles' existance is another one of his failures. They could have easily stopped regular people in every universe from building colliders, but they didn't. They could have put safeguards in place to limit access to other universes, but they didn't. Miguel tried to say that Miles becoming Spider-man was a mistake when in reality, he's a living reminder of the greatest flaw in Miguel's logic. Miles became Spider-man and his universe/the spider that bit him's universe didn't simultaniously implode. If every world is centered around the existance of Spider-man, how can a world without Spider-man or with two exist?
And we CAN find that strength for ourselves! While a good foundation is important, it can still be rebuilt stronger if it was never as strong to begin with
Also, there is an added layer when it comes to race. You have a predominantly white council of Spider people and a light skinned mixed Latino forcing a narrative and telling him that he’s a mistake. This, on part of the writers and directors, was how the character of Miles was met with dismissal via toxic fandom when his comic debut. This film is very meaty and has so many layers that make for a great film to rewatch, not only for it’s artistic and gorgeous animation, but for it’s sticky and substantial writing and characters.
There is so much subtext in the Society's leadership. They are a black woman and Latino man who are doing their damndest to exclude Miles. Before anything else, they're an inversion of Miles' parents. Miguel is a biracial Latino who is very obviously projecting his own self-loathing on to Miles, which conjures up the specters of internalized racial hatred and generational trauma. While both he and Jess are people of color, they seek to keep the trolley that is their organization adhered to the tracks first set down by a white male cis super hero, no matter the cost. There's so much to dig into there.
Given how the comics have treated Peter like a total loser, and keep giving Miles extra powers to make him more appealing, I'd say their concern that Miles is replacing Peter is warranted.
@@alejandromelendez1609I don’t think that’s why many tried dismissing Mile’s. 2099, Scarlet Spider or even Spider-woman or Spider-Gwen would have been accepted. 2099 doesn’t follow the so-called “canon” of Spider-Man or many attributes that make up a typical variation. Not even Jessica Drew or even Ben Riley follow the Spider journey at all.
@@nitsugazemag I have to disagree on the notion that none of those versions were ever presented as being of equal or greater importance than Peter. They have always been treated as alternate versions of Spider-Man, and not as another main Spider-Man the way Miles is.
@@alejandromelendez1609 feeling threatened by a character because he doesn’t follow the typical formula is boring. I don’t think I heard Miles as be regarded as a replacement. What I’ve heard has been the contrary. If you disagree, that’s you. It seems strange that every Spider person is suppose to be within the confines of the original. It’s strange that Miguel, Jessica Drew and Ben don’t follow the mold but don’t receive the criticism for being different, stronger, stranger and convoluted. Why are their gatekeepers to this IP when Stan Lee approved of the character long before his death. The point of Spider-Man being fully disguised was that anyone could wear the mask. If you don’t like Mike’s iteration, you don’t have to, but don’t make it a mission to dismiss him for breaking the mold. Comics have constructed multiverses. If everyone plays the same story, what’s the purpose to changing the character at all.
You can afford to dispense with the conditional support of others asking things you aren't comfortable providing when you have a secure base of unconditional support to draw from. You can only have the strength to endure being in a situation of 'us against the world' when you have an 'us' you can completely rely on.
Great video, Georgia! I agree, Miles is very courageous. It's so hard to go against social pressure, especially when everyone else is against oneself. I didn't connect his courage to the great job his parents did in supporting and raising him, but you're right, that makes a huge difference. And, sadly, there are so many scapegoats. As you indicated, it is so much easier to scapegoat and blame than to face the discomfort and the truth (especially, as you said, if it's caused by one's own mistakes). Some take their anger out so much or just hold it all in but still blame in other ways (and harm themselves too). And, you're right that this is what Miguel and others are doing. "His cup is already full" - Excellent description. Great points about how adrenaline can prevent healthy processing of emotions. It can definitely overwhelm the mind, especially (like what you said for Miguel) when it adds up over time (and continued practice of unhealthy coping methods). I need to watch the Gwen video! She's one of my favorite characters :). I can relate to the avoidance of confrontation too. Great points, Georgia. "It's for your own good." - A line that rarely has any good result in shows and movies. Love the response: "Who decides that?!" You're absolutely right. Inner self-talk is so important. It is so key to our mental health and so much more. "To be able to always think about how do you want your story to go." - That is so key too. So important for Miles and real life. To be able to face our fears also. Great points about the symbolism about the leaps :). "Never too late." - That is very true. So important too. It resonates with me also. Awesome cosplay!! Wonderful video! Hope you're doing well. Take care :D.
Really love how Mile’s bravery is emphasized in this video. To literally go against and say no to so many spider beings and those he cared about is amazing. To fight for himself and his loved ones against a literal multi universal army, is truly incredible. He outsmarted them all! He stood for his truth. It’s inspirational.
what makes this movie so great is how the themes, and dialogue, and relationships become a window to the viewers in how we can apply the struggles and hardships and adversities to our own lives.. how we see these characters believe in themselves, and see them take risks, which tells us that WE can do it too [and then the superhero music kicks in], and well, you know the rest :p
Thank you for this amazing analysis!! And thank you for your love for Miles Morales and this INCREDIBLE trilogy!!! I have seen this movie 6 times in theaters and now that it is on my streaming app I legit come home from work and watch it every single day. The entire Miles Morales story is unbelievably inspirational
That scene hit hard. I figured it was off the environment looked more damaged and dangerous. Then when I seen his mum I noticed the eye colour instantly. It played it so well. If you were paying attention you’d notice it.
"Well, there's your problem right there. You can't think about saving the entire world. You gotta save one person, Miles. That's all it is. A Leap of Faith." -Peter B. Parker, ITSV Ever since I saw that deleted scene from Into the Spider-Verse, the weight of ATSV is heavier on Miles shoulders. The writers are trying to tell us he's going to try saving both. And I love it. I can't wait to see Gwen apologize to Miles and realize he's the prowler on Earth-42. I have a feeling they'll work together.
Anyone else noticed the coat Miles wears while talking to his Mom during the end scene is green and purple? Same colors as his spider sense when he met Chris Pine Spider-Man. This Miles was supposed to be the Prowler!
I've been yelling about it in other YT comments sections sonce May 31st (French release date for ATSV) and am currently yelling about it on my Tumblr blog, but Miguel going full generational trauma + having his own trauma response being a combo of surprising authoritarian streak (which is not a Miguel thing at first, and we see he's initially very cavalier about the whole dimensional travel before his own trauma of destroying a family he thought he could help by replacing his dead alternative self - that alone is both selfish and selfless because he agreed to be a surrogate father but also did it for the sake of his own desire to have a normal family/life) AND taking it out on Miles in a full on and highly public mental breakdown is extremely well done and honestly, as much as I love Miguel (and I LOVE him he's my fav along with Hobie), I want Miles to prove him wrong and even better, actually help him deal with his own self-inflicted grief. Because holy fuck Miguel was extremely out of line during the train chase, and no amount of trauma can make what he did OK. Miles standing up for himself against Miguel was outstanding and a great example of inner strength, and I want to keep cheering for him because he's amazing. Also, when Miguel tells Miles the spider was not supposed to bite him... Well, it was supposed to bite Miles Morales, just not the Earth 1610 one. So the spider technically did exactly what it was supposed to do. Food for thought on Miguel's understanding of the canon events. As a sidenote, I find it delightfully ironic that the Spider Society has an in-house therapist, because clearly Miguel hasn't been seeing him a lot when he badly needs this. Edit: a thought on Miguel compared to Miles in regard to their inner strength: on top of Miguel's self-inflicted grief, if the producers and writers intend to maintain Miguel's own life from the comics for the comics, Miguel has a mighty fucked up personal/family life. He's the produce of his mother cheating on his father with the man who later becomes his boss, his father is so abusive his mother ends up interned with severe mental issues, and there's also lots of stuff with his brothers. Miguel doesn't have the safe base Miles has, and the Spider Society is a bit of a replacement for it, although even there Miguel becomes The Boss and remains distant from others (he literally has his office on a floating platform! That's as much distance from others as one can get) while playing Big Brother at a multi-dimensional level. Miguel feels very lonely in comparison to Miles, and he expresses all of his grief and anxiety through... Major bursts of anger and even physical violence (see: the infamous chokeslam), something that tends to be associated with abuse.
This video was such a great breakdown! Would love to see you tackle Final Fantasy 16 as it deals with complex trauma and being your truest self and other huge things that a lot of people face
Ooo I would love for you to do Hobie next! There's not a lot of him so idk if there's enough for a video, but it would be fascinating to see a therapists thoughts on him!
Even if you didnt get it from your parents and even if your attachment style is poor you can still show slight signs of secure attachment in glimpses, my partner and I had very poor parenting which led to us triggering each other once months had passed but eventually I learned after they left me that they truly did love me and it was just a result of our unresolved matters. So I decided Id forgive them and they learned to do that and be a bit more open on what they needed and little by little we both slowly finally started gaining confidence in ourselves and each other. Ive never had a lot of unconditional support before that point so I decided to change my mindset for the next few months and I surprisingly finally felt like I could be confident and happy with what I do, and wanting them to feel the same way was definitely another driving motivator. Im just relieved now that we wont end up like our parents and we wont repeat the same mistakes.
If I remember correctly, the comic version had an uphill battle of justifying his own existence. I didn't read the comics but I can hazard a guess that it didn't come anywhere near as successful as the movie version. I also think because instead of going the live action route as most superhero films are doing right now it sets itself apart and rises above even the rayme films. In so doing achieving something really special when it comes the ever political question what if superhero but black now. It really tears down the barriers allowing other people who don't identify as miles social/culturally/racially and makes him become relatable I'm a meaningful way.
Hey Georgia, this is my first time commenting, I do a lot of writing and your videos help me get into the mind of a lot of characters. It would be really cool if you could breakdown some characters from Berserk.
Pls Georgia.. this subject of how to be supportive the right way is really important for us 🙂 I came from a military family.. I've learned how to have that and it is really important.. but in nowadays world it seems that can be different to teach confidence to the younglings without a imminent treat.. I've done through maths as I'm a logic person .. teaching that is ok to fail and try again .. games also I believe gives this confidence but I'm not sure how to put in real problems at school for example I've learned how to put to work overcoming bullying.. anyhow .. thanks for this video and all ur beautiful work .. God bless 🙏
Definitely favorite moments would be when he’s just telling Miguel to go stick it like he’ll still do his own thing no matter what’s in the bond with him and Hobie like it’s just so great plus there’s also that moment where he’s just done w Peter and gwen for lying to him, and he’s just gonna do his own thing no matter what like he’s really coming to to how pent Spider-Man and he’s not a kid like everyone keeps calling and he really is Spider-Man probably more than all the other Spider-Man and women in the society together
It's funny because asking me to do the greater good or save a single person/loved one. I would always pick the single person/loved one. I don't believe that the greater good exists if it requires us to take a single life.
I love Victor Frank's book "Mans Search for Meaning." How finding and holding onto a "Why" can help one endure any "What" or "How". Faith and belief in the values that one is raised with can do amazing things in creating internal resilience. We can see that the others who look at the "greater good" vs "the common good" aren't happy with it because they are not going with their internal moral compasses.
I still think it's ironic how Miguel calls him the anomaly but Miles is more spiderman like than Miguel is. Miguel isn't funny, haven't seen him being artistic, and he wasn't even bit iirc
I'm going to be honest I feel like Miles Morales true Inner Strength he's true friends and family and wanting to protect them and never let them get hurt or die that is a true strength of power the most heartbroken thing is Miles getting rejected by Miguel O'Hara in the spider society and getting chased down by hundreds or maybe thousands of Spider-Man and women
It's hard if I were Miles, I would just break up with his friends, but I respect Miles, he's a cool Spider-Man, even if he wasn't supposed to be one, he deserves to be a Spider, he's a legend
Please do a whole different video on parenting. That was something I told my mom when I was in my 20s cause she was too overbearing with my choices growing up, and she didn't understand that neither did my aunts.
Is king pin a bad guy? He is basically doing the same thing Miles is now trying to save/bring back his family even if it risks the destruction of there world.
It is NOT difficult to say your choices for your own as well as everybody safety and satisfaction just for the sake on helping and saving innocent. 👏👏👏👍👍👍🤘🤘🤟🤟🤟🕸️🕸️🕸️🕷️🕷️💯💯💯
I just absolutely love how Miguel is saying the exact opposite of what Miles’s mother said earlier in the movie (which was just hours ago for Miles I think). His mother told him that there would be people who would tell him that he didn’t belong, and that they would be wrong. I really think that that must’ve been on Miles’s mind, and I wish we had some kind of snippet visual/audio flashback to it during the confrontation with Miguel. It was still an incredibly powerful moment and I absolutely adore this movie 😍😭
So…. When did we exchange “thinking” for “programming” 🤔the Greater Good is always the narrative so what is the “Greater Good”? Is there something wrong with being the loner. Yep the isolationist is the Danger Zone
It's kind of ridiculous that you're required to have a license to drive different kinds of transportations even just to drive your own car but it takes to license to birth and raise a child to the point sometimes the people most incapable of taking care of themselves less so for a baby properly are not prevented from doing this anyway, like I know there's no manual to good parenting but we should atleast have an idea of some basic qualities of good/decent parenting as in our parents may never become perfect but just an early people of safe people to confide in should be alright. Besides that children shouldn't attach themselves to just any adult no matter how good it can feel to feel connected to someone, sooner or later they'd need to establish their self-autonomous self- personal identity and as in to not become an extension of another person.
Awesome work, M. Dow! You might liket Schnee's videos on Arcane and Spiderverse . . . th-cam.com/users/schnee1 Lots of details on storytelling and character that gels really well with your work . . .
That line Spider-Ham says in the first film, "The hardest thing about this job is... you can't always save everybody." carries even more weight now. Literally no spider-person can save everybody. There always has to be someone who doesn't make it. In their society, that trauma is a requirement. I was so happy to see Miles stand up against it.
There's a line from some doctor thing I heard once that basically goes:
"You have to understand that you can't save every patient, right? That's reality."
"I know, but we have to try anyway. That's being human."
@DanGaningFan2846 Regarding Miles vs Miguel is I don’t get how so many fans and audiences for years say spider-man/characters in general needs to suffer and lose people and go through trauma and what not but now those same people (without any acknowledgment of their hypocrisy) side with Miles who is arguing against the story idea that characters need to suffer and go through loss and trauma and stories need to be dark/serious/downbeat to be interesting ..
People are so caught up in calling out the already established inconsistencies in the canon event idea that they don’t understand or acknowledge the thematic significance of canon events as a representation of “necessary story beats (especially for Spider-Man)” that they for years want to happen all the time but can’t admit they were wrong or were challenged by that.
The reason why I love this movie is Miles is literally against all the Spideys and tries to defy basic spider-man tropes and redefine what it means to be spider-man and since he’s the protagonist everyone sides and say Miguel is wrong (which he very well is) but don’t acknowledge how Miguel represents them and has a point about some things
This
That's exactly why* I think Rio is gonna die in the third film. Miguel is partially correct about Spider-Man being a sacrifice.
It's particularly noteworthy in the context of current comics, where Marvel (the comics company) seems to have made a real, editorial decision that "Suffering" is literally the POINT of Spider-Man. We're looking at 20 some odd years now of not allowing Peter any growth, to let him start to find happiness only to take it away time and time and time again. The editorial and writing staff seem to be on this page of "If Peter isn't suffering is he really Peter" so to see a movie come out when all of that is reaching a CRAZY Peak where the real antagonist is that EXACT mindset is... interesting.
I’m a particular fan of Miles’ “2 cakes” philosophy, because it shows that he’s more than willing to take a third option that isn’t even presented as such. It’s his answer to the “have/eat your cake” problem, and to his “write smaller/talk less” problem. It’s even his answer to Pav’s “save the bus/captain” problem, where the answer is essentially “2 Spider-Men”.
I love that it looks like an emerging theme of these movies is community. Gwen couldn't have finished off the displaced Vulture alone, Pavitr couldn't have saved both Gayatri and her father alone, Miles couldn't have escaped the Spider Society without Hobie's and Margo's help, and he probably can't get back to his universe, stop the Spot and save his dad on his own. But when a bunch of Spider-People band together they can do so much more than just one alone.
Yes yes yes😊
To me, Miles is a clear example of a young man that is still treated as a child, while being demanded to act as a man. He is more capable to take care of his own life without somwone else's will overshadowing his own. Even Gwen is fitting him within a box. (to protect him.) Especially with men, this is something that I personally see far too often; and there are numerous examples of this being done out of care moreso than ill intentions.
Too much of anything is bad, even supposed "care"
As a teenager I feel Miles since I'm trying to forge my own path and everyone doing the same thing
One thing I loved about this movie (in addition to the other fifty thousand) is the scene where Miles is swing home. He’s absolutely rattled. He’s thinking about all the bad things that might happen, and all the things that *has* happened, but in the end he remembers his uncles words: keep going. His eyes narrow and he focuses. None of those things matter. All that matters is trying to save his dad. It’s such a good scene.
In the reflections too we see ham noir and peni. Gwen and Peter are missing as he’s trying to cut them out. The first 3 didn’t help capture him or even speak about what to do if he ran. Gwen and Peter did, they did it to try protect him. They didn’t want Miguel hurting him like he ended up doing. There “plan” likely involved letting Peter and Gwen talk to him privately. Peter nearly got to him before they tracked him. If Gwen and Peter were allowed to just talk to him in private he would have maybe listened and understood. Miguel trapping him kinda ruined everything they had planned and likely would have worked if he just let them try
@@adamboy0559 Imagine his trauma. His dream of the SpiderVerse came true - and it turned into a nightmare. I don't know about Miles but i'm still shook.🤯
@@summertyme5748 yeah he’s hurt mentally physically and emotionally all at once also knowing his father is about to die. That would make any man insane. He’s somehow still relatively composed after it all and only showing that all he cares about is saving his dad
😢😊😊😊❤
Fun fact. Near the end of that scene, when Miles crashes into the windshield of a car, Uncle Ben is actually inside giving Earth 42 Peter the talk.
Someone told me once. “The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the one. But that is real easy to say until it is you or someone you care about”
Miles confession to his other mom. Was amazing.
I remembered when I was a younger working under a CEO of a small tech company he asked me if I had a ship that can save 500 ppl but they are harder to reach vs save one that is right in front of me, who would I save?
I saved I would save the one because that's a sure save
He said no you never save one over the many, his way of saying never focus on one customers issue for so Iong you ignore the others
But my young mind is thinking... That one person could be my family members tho..
"Nah I'm gonna do my own thing" that line gives me goosebumps still
The leap of faith in the last movie shows the glass breaking...if you know how the powers work, you understand the context that he was still scared/nervous but took the leap anyway...
In this movie, the self confidence and self assurance was so that he could easily let go and take that leap...and he didn't take that leap not once... BUT TWICE while a bullet train was rocketing to the moon...
Glass breaking is also a very important symbol for everything...The Multiverse isn't a linear line it's a Prism of Endless Possibilities. In the What If show the glass prism breaks and every single last shard is a separate reality. In short every single reality is a reflection and inherently broken. The cracks in the glass may or may not be the Web of Life and Destiny.
This second leap was also done without care or eventual correction like he did in the first one, as a person that's developed authentic love for myself and a strong belief in myself, the second leap shows you that he doesn't need to worry about how he's getting down there, he knows that he will get down there regardless of obstacles.
That line in the trailer hits me every time: "Everyone keeps telling me how my story is supposed to go. Sorry, I'm doing my own thing."
Nahhhhh Imma do my own thing!
The quote I think had a deeper meaning. He isn’t supposed to exist as spider man so why does he need to follow the same rules? He shouldn’t, he is making his own future as he does things. He doesn’t need to have these cannon events for him as he was meant to. He already lost his uncle who to him was important to him. For Peter it’s uncle Ben. Why does he need to lose someone else?
NAHHHHHH IMMA DO MY OWN THING
Sorry man I’m going home!
@@adamboy0559yeah, it's pretty contradicting of Miguel when he tells Miles "he's the original anomaly" and hes "never meant to be bitten by that spider"
We know Miles was supposed to be the prowler and Miles from earth 42 was supposed to be spider-man. Yet the roles were reversed and no canon was broken.
I deeply aspire to have Miles' self assurance, that "Imma do my own thing" moment was so cathartic!
I'd love to see a video on Hobie. That guy made such an impact for such a small amount of screen-time.
Hobie was a real one. He knew the whole thing was bs and probably only joined so he could just burn it all down
He was never serious and that’s what I like about him. He is always doing what he wants not caring what others think. If not for hin miles wouldn’t have broke free and he wouldn’t have been able to stun Miguel. He taught him a valuable lesson about his own power in a few seconds. Question is how did he know using the palms would enhance the venom blast?
Agreed
@@adamboy0559I've seen a couple of videos suggesting part of the reason he is like this, is so that others don't consider him a real threat and he can rebel without anyone realising, just like he did with miles and the watch
@@hellogoodbyeandallinbetween yeah probably. No one seems to take him seriously and know his real feelings. He doesn’t like consistency so the society is definitely not the place for him
When his mom tells him that he had to promise to take care of the kid she raised because she loves him and she gives him her trust. As someome that struggles with it as a puertorican, that meant so much
She tells him not to listen when somebody from a big fancy organization tells him he doesn't belong. Its such perfect advice, for her son Miles but also for Spider-Man.
Agreed, that scene was so well done and ended up making me cry
I could be wrong, but I think it’s a relieve to see Miles not regressed back to his original self before his character development in the first movie, something that are seen in recent Disney sequels like Ralph Breaks The Internet & Frozen 2.
Agreed. And with RBTI, with all of its faults, the one thing I really dislike is how it goes against the taboo the first movie set- going turbo.
The moral of letting friends go on to do their own thing isn’t bad but not well executed for this reason, other than Ralph and Vanellope’s flanderized characters.
the best part is, they didnt do that, but they also didnt play the "love rival is better at everything" trope either. the movie tricks the watcher into thinking hobbie is gwen's love interest to compete with miles, but at every scene he shares with miles, he goes older brother, caring and helping him grow instead.
at the same time, in other movies, gwen would be this perfect being, who is a trophy for miles once he becomes a hero, and instead, we her hero's journey.
the even better part is, how the movie goes from miles literaly pursuing gwen, to now gwen literaly pursuing miles.
@@IgnitedQuilsI do love that movie for how it pokes fun at the internet tho
Right! The thing I dislike about reboots and sequels is the constant same lesson having to be learned in different formats.
How
I really feel like Spiderverse is telling a very different, more intimate kind of story than a lot of the other superhero media right now and I'm so down for it. It also has a very different message for young people in particular that I think is very positive. I think it's quite evident in the first movie but it comes through so strongly in the second one, especially with Miles and Gwen but also with Peter B. and even Hobie, that there's these strong themes of intergenerational trauma being passed on to these young people (Kingpin, Miguel, Gwen's dad, even Miles' parents to an extent) by older gens who won't let go, or in Miguel's case think the kids 'haven't suffered enough like we did'.
And the ways in which younger people can inspire change in the older gen for the better (Peter B., Gwen's dad, Miles' parents) and how young people have to stand up for themselves and find their own story (Miles, Gwen) and have each other's backs (Hobie with Miles, Gwen and Pav). It's gorgeous.
@WandersNowherre What bothers me about Miles vs Miguel is I don’t get how so many fans and audiences for years say spider-man/characters in general needs to suffer and lose people and go through trauma and what not but now those same people (without any acknowledgment of their hypocrisy) side with Miles who is arguing against the story idea that characters need to suffer and go through loss and trauma
@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 probably because Spiderverse is the first Spiderman film story to actually question the validity of that idea instead of presenting it as uncritically true.
I don't think it's hypocritical to go "huh oh wait hang on..." 🙄 😒 🤔 when a fresh perspective is presented. It's actually very healthy.
@@WandersNowherre I haven’t seen anyone go “huh wait hang on”. What if Aunt May didn’t die in NWH or PS4. Wouldn’t people complain about it
people don’t realise theyre the ones toting the same position as miguel. They may not side with miguel in the story, because he’s the antagonist tho their demands for Spider-man are the same as the ones miguel preaches. people lack the media literacy or ability to introspect to recognise that what they're doing is what has been represented here. No one wants to admit that theyre the bad guy. Most don't even realise thats being posed. But, the movie has given an effective rebuttal whenever they're bringing it up. “Canon Event". From there, they've gotta push on in the face of hypocrisy, introspect or do mental gymnastics to justify themselves to themselves. They can’t admit they are wrong,
People are so caught up in calling out the already established inconsistencies in the canon event idea that they don’t understand or acknowledge the thematic significance of canon events as a representation of “necessary story beats (especially for Spider-Man)” that they for years want to happen all the time but can’t admit they were wrong or were challenged by that.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Its just a different story. For many years Spider-Man stories have been very much focused on how the main character deals with trauma, and balancing their responsibilities.
Its okay to have liked the old stories for what they were, and also enjoy subverting that with a brand new take on his story. It took some pretty crazy circumstances to break the trope also.
Why make it some weird contest?
They liked Spiderman when he had to deal with loss ....
They like Spiderman when he finds a way to defy his destiny.
They like Spiderman.
Let them
@@Shiftarus the directors pointed out that this idea of the canon acts as a critique of spiderfans who act as though all Spider-Men have to go through the same "canon" moments. And that any adaptation that doesn't is "an anomaly" or wrong and is treated harshly
Miles showed us we are who we are by our choices not by the events themselves but write your own story and do your own thing
You wanna know how you can tell a movie is good? Not only does Georgia say so just in the video, but also because she has *JUMPED* onto making these videos 😆. She just made one on Gwen two days ago, and here she is already with Miles.
I would add something that tends to get overlooked. In addition to his parents + his uncle, Miles is part of a community. We see it in the first movie and this one how he is known and knows the people in the neighborhood. I think of the bodega scene with Spot and Miles talking to the owner + his dad's celebration party. To ask him to let something bad happen not only to his dad, which would be a hit to the community at large, goes against who he is and how he was raised. The communal framework emphasizes helping others. That belief system translates when he intervenes to save Inspector Singh. He saw he could help so he went to help. There's very much an individual and communal framework at play between Miles (communal) and Miguel et al. (individual). Peter Parker as shown in the movies tends to be a loner.
I think that moment with confronting Miguel truly stood out and how he claims who he is and how he's going to do things in his own way reinforces what Miles said to himself earlier with fighting The Spot on how "I'm Spider-Man, and no one can take that away from me." How this moment defines his overall character with what values he stands up for is astounding in its own right. Easily one of the best written scenes of the entire film.
Nothing like waking up in the morning to a therapist session 👌🏾
Completely unrelated to the focus of the video, but I *so* love Miguel's interaction with Peter's daughter - his face while catching her is *priceless*
Coming back to this just to add: Miguel is speaking to Miles almost esclusively with hypotheticals, "if X, then Y".
"If you weren't bitten, things would have been better";
"If someone else was Spiderman, they would have stopped the collider";
"If the collider didn't go off, Spot wouldn't be a problem" and so on.
He is basically blaming Miles because *his* (Miguel's) perfectly ordered vision didn't come to pass.
Problem is, those things happened - those chances crystalized into (if you will) "canon events".
Miles, without any fault of his own, was bitten.
The original Spiderman wasn't able to stop the collider.
Miles and the gang, though, did - and *before* the spider-society had a chance to step in.
Miguel claims he's been playing the long game and looking at everything from a vantage point, while Miles have been walking boots on the ground and trying to navigate in the maze.
And despite the bird's eye view he *claims* to have (the "greater good" perspective, basically: he claims to understand risks and opportunity better than those Who would risk something or stand to benefit from opportunities) he didn't anticipate Miles' movements or counter them in any way.
The point of the spider-society is to manage "the canon" and do damage control - are we really to believe they didn't have an eye on the original Spiderman of Miles' world, or didn't see how Kingpin's collider would prove dangerous?
Tbf im pretty sure Miguel formed the spider society after the events of the first movie
@@Impulse1912 didn't he narrate his backstory as the reason for the spider-society?
@@j.bat.8235 im not quite sure actually, im pretty sure it was because of the first movie tho because the collider was the reason why people started getting scattered around different dimensions randomly. I think he formed the society to keep everyone in their own dimension so that they dont fuck up the canon and end up destroying the universe like he did in his backstory
The society was formed after the first movie. At the end of it Miguel takes the first test of his watch to travel the multiverse. After he sees more he sees the Anomaly’s in the multiverse and decided to form the society to help clear it up. After he finds out the source is earth 1610 and sees Peter is dead and miles is now Spider-Man he puts it together earth 42 doesn’t have a Spider-Man. Earth 1610 lost there’s but gained a new one and there was multiverse travels from it not too long ago. After this he makes it clear miles will never join the society
The post credits scene of the first film makes it clear that the Spider Society was not established yet. Miguel became aware of the events of the first film and scrambled to make a multiverse hopping watch, but it wasn't completed until the events of the first movie concluded.
He literally became a against of all other spider universes, and he is gonna write new story ☻
Okay, but Miguel saying "You're the original anomoly" is really just him projecting. His own conscious choice destroyed a universe. At the very most Miles' existance is another one of his failures. They could have easily stopped regular people in every universe from building colliders, but they didn't. They could have put safeguards in place to limit access to other universes, but they didn't. Miguel tried to say that Miles becoming Spider-man was a mistake when in reality, he's a living reminder of the greatest flaw in Miguel's logic. Miles became Spider-man and his universe/the spider that bit him's universe didn't simultaniously implode. If every world is centered around the existance of Spider-man, how can a world without Spider-man or with two exist?
It's so cute to see Georgia tear up and get emotional at the same parts of the movie that I did
"Nah, I'ma do my own thing" is honestly my lifes moto
And we CAN find that strength for ourselves! While a good foundation is important, it can still be rebuilt stronger if it was never as strong to begin with
Also, there is an added layer when it comes to race. You have a predominantly white council of Spider people and a light skinned mixed Latino forcing a narrative and telling him that he’s a mistake. This, on part of the writers and directors, was how the character of Miles was met with dismissal via toxic fandom when his comic debut. This film is very meaty and has so many layers that make for a great film to rewatch, not only for it’s artistic and gorgeous animation, but for it’s sticky and substantial writing and characters.
There is so much subtext in the Society's leadership. They are a black woman and Latino man who are doing their damndest to exclude Miles. Before anything else, they're an inversion of Miles' parents.
Miguel is a biracial Latino who is very obviously projecting his own self-loathing on to Miles, which conjures up the specters of internalized racial hatred and generational trauma. While both he and Jess are people of color, they seek to keep the trolley that is their organization adhered to the tracks first set down by a white male cis super hero, no matter the cost.
There's so much to dig into there.
Given how the comics have treated Peter like a total loser, and keep giving Miles extra powers to make him more appealing, I'd say their concern that Miles is replacing Peter is warranted.
@@alejandromelendez1609I don’t think that’s why many tried dismissing Mile’s. 2099, Scarlet Spider or even Spider-woman or Spider-Gwen would have been accepted. 2099 doesn’t follow the so-called “canon” of Spider-Man or many attributes that make up a typical variation. Not even Jessica Drew or even Ben Riley follow the Spider journey at all.
@@nitsugazemag I have to disagree on the notion that none of those versions were ever presented as being of equal or greater importance than Peter. They have always been treated as alternate versions of Spider-Man, and not as another main Spider-Man the way Miles is.
@@alejandromelendez1609 feeling threatened by a character because he doesn’t follow the typical formula is boring. I don’t think I heard Miles as be regarded as a replacement. What I’ve heard has been the contrary. If you disagree, that’s you. It seems strange that every Spider person is suppose to be within the confines of the original. It’s strange that Miguel, Jessica Drew and Ben don’t follow the mold but don’t receive the criticism for being different, stronger, stranger and convoluted. Why are their gatekeepers to this IP when Stan Lee approved of the character long before his death. The point of Spider-Man being fully disguised was that anyone could wear the mask. If you don’t like Mike’s iteration, you don’t have to, but don’t make it a mission to dismiss him for breaking the mold. Comics have constructed multiverses. If everyone plays the same story, what’s the purpose to changing the character at all.
You bet your *** that you can rebuild your self-esteem. It's never too late.
I really love how they deal with uncertainties of future in the movie… it is always a Spiderman thing to try and never give up
You can afford to dispense with the conditional support of others asking things you aren't comfortable providing when you have a secure base of unconditional support to draw from. You can only have the strength to endure being in a situation of 'us against the world' when you have an 'us' you can completely rely on.
Great video, Georgia! I agree, Miles is very courageous. It's so hard to go against social pressure, especially when everyone else is against oneself. I didn't connect his courage to the great job his parents did in supporting and raising him, but you're right, that makes a huge difference.
And, sadly, there are so many scapegoats. As you indicated, it is so much easier to scapegoat and blame than to face the discomfort and the truth (especially, as you said, if it's caused by one's own mistakes). Some take their anger out so much or just hold it all in but still blame in other ways (and harm themselves too). And, you're right that this is what Miguel and others are doing.
"His cup is already full" - Excellent description.
Great points about how adrenaline can prevent healthy processing of emotions. It can definitely overwhelm the mind, especially (like what you said for Miguel) when it adds up over time (and continued practice of unhealthy coping methods). I need to watch the Gwen video! She's one of my favorite characters :).
I can relate to the avoidance of confrontation too. Great points, Georgia.
"It's for your own good." - A line that rarely has any good result in shows and movies. Love the response: "Who decides that?!"
You're absolutely right. Inner self-talk is so important. It is so key to our mental health and so much more.
"To be able to always think about how do you want your story to go." - That is so key too. So important for Miles and real life. To be able to face our fears also.
Great points about the symbolism about the leaps :).
"Never too late." - That is very true. So important too. It resonates with me also.
Awesome cosplay!! Wonderful video! Hope you're doing well. Take care :D.
Really love how Mile’s bravery is emphasized in this video. To literally go against and say no to so many spider beings and those he cared about is amazing. To fight for himself and his loved ones against a literal multi universal army, is truly incredible. He outsmarted them all! He stood for his truth. It’s inspirational.
love this video miles is very inspiring.
My favorite Miles Morales moments? Most of them, lmao this movie is going to go with my all time faves for sure
Georgia Would Be An Amazing PARENT. MY God We Need More OF THAT Now More Than Ever.
1:36 to 1:40 As Fujin from MK11 says "It's not sacrifice when one's given no choice".
what makes this movie so great is how the themes, and dialogue, and relationships become a window to the viewers in how we can apply the struggles and hardships and adversities to our own lives.. how we see these characters believe in themselves, and see them take risks, which tells us that WE can do it too [and then the superhero music kicks in], and well, you know the rest :p
Thank you for this amazing analysis!! And thank you for your love for Miles Morales and this INCREDIBLE trilogy!!! I have seen this movie 6 times in theaters and now that it is on my streaming app I legit come home from work and watch it every single day. The entire Miles Morales story is unbelievably inspirational
Miles is also scared of losing parents too and people he cares about
10:19, exactly how I felt in this moment.. your reaction sums it perfectly! so many beats in this movie just hit home so good
That scene hit hard. I figured it was off the environment looked more damaged and dangerous. Then when I seen his mum I noticed the eye colour instantly. It played it so well. If you were paying attention you’d notice it.
Miles Morales is one of my favorite Spider Men
Miles, Punk, Gwen, Andrew, Tobey, and Noir. Honorable mentions for Tom, Ham and deleted scene Spider-JJJ (please canonize that Sony/Marvel).
"Well, there's your problem right there. You can't think about saving the entire world. You gotta save one person, Miles. That's all it is. A Leap of Faith." -Peter B. Parker, ITSV
Ever since I saw that deleted scene from Into the Spider-Verse, the weight of ATSV is heavier on Miles shoulders. The writers are trying to tell us he's going to try saving both. And I love it. I can't wait to see Gwen apologize to Miles and realize he's the prowler on Earth-42.
I have a feeling they'll work together.
Hobie is telling him to remember what he's fighting for before meeting Miguel
One of the best youtubers and the best movie makes for a great video ❤️🔥
Anyone else noticed the coat Miles wears while talking to his Mom during the end scene is green and purple? Same colors as his spider sense when he met Chris Pine Spider-Man. This Miles was supposed to be the Prowler!
This movie is so ridiculously good.
I woudl really love your take on Guts from Berserk. His story is quite a rollercoaster
I've been yelling about it in other YT comments sections sonce May 31st (French release date for ATSV) and am currently yelling about it on my Tumblr blog, but Miguel going full generational trauma + having his own trauma response being a combo of surprising authoritarian streak (which is not a Miguel thing at first, and we see he's initially very cavalier about the whole dimensional travel before his own trauma of destroying a family he thought he could help by replacing his dead alternative self - that alone is both selfish and selfless because he agreed to be a surrogate father but also did it for the sake of his own desire to have a normal family/life) AND taking it out on Miles in a full on and highly public mental breakdown is extremely well done and honestly, as much as I love Miguel (and I LOVE him he's my fav along with Hobie), I want Miles to prove him wrong and even better, actually help him deal with his own self-inflicted grief. Because holy fuck Miguel was extremely out of line during the train chase, and no amount of trauma can make what he did OK. Miles standing up for himself against Miguel was outstanding and a great example of inner strength, and I want to keep cheering for him because he's amazing.
Also, when Miguel tells Miles the spider was not supposed to bite him... Well, it was supposed to bite Miles Morales, just not the Earth 1610 one. So the spider technically did exactly what it was supposed to do. Food for thought on Miguel's understanding of the canon events.
As a sidenote, I find it delightfully ironic that the Spider Society has an in-house therapist, because clearly Miguel hasn't been seeing him a lot when he badly needs this.
Edit: a thought on Miguel compared to Miles in regard to their inner strength: on top of Miguel's self-inflicted grief, if the producers and writers intend to maintain Miguel's own life from the comics for the comics, Miguel has a mighty fucked up personal/family life. He's the produce of his mother cheating on his father with the man who later becomes his boss, his father is so abusive his mother ends up interned with severe mental issues, and there's also lots of stuff with his brothers. Miguel doesn't have the safe base Miles has, and the Spider Society is a bit of a replacement for it, although even there Miguel becomes The Boss and remains distant from others (he literally has his office on a floating platform! That's as much distance from others as one can get) while playing Big Brother at a multi-dimensional level. Miguel feels very lonely in comparison to Miles, and he expresses all of his grief and anxiety through... Major bursts of anger and even physical violence (see: the infamous chokeslam), something that tends to be associated with abuse.
It would be awesome to see an analysis on Miguel O'Hara. He's an interesting character.
At least at the end of the second Spiderverse movie we get to see a version of Miles that is ozing black air force energy from every pore.
This video was such a great breakdown! Would love to see you tackle Final Fantasy 16 as it deals with complex trauma and being your truest self and other huge things that a lot of people face
I did a double feature of into and across the spider-verse Miles Morales progression is something to behold
I love this video so so much I just have one question where did you get the zip up hoodie?? I need it!
Yesssss! Spiderverse analysis!!!
Ooo I would love for you to do Hobie next! There's not a lot of him so idk if there's enough for a video, but it would be fascinating to see a therapists thoughts on him!
you may be quite happy this week then
Waiting for Miles! Thank you!
Even if you didnt get it from your parents and even if your attachment style is poor you can still show slight signs of secure attachment in glimpses, my partner and I had very poor parenting which led to us triggering each other once months had passed but eventually I learned after they left me that they truly did love me and it was just a result of our unresolved matters. So I decided Id forgive them and they learned to do that and be a bit more open on what they needed and little by little we both slowly finally started gaining confidence in ourselves and each other. Ive never had a lot of unconditional support before that point so I decided to change my mindset for the next few months and I surprisingly finally felt like I could be confident and happy with what I do, and wanting them to feel the same way was definitely another driving motivator. Im just relieved now that we wont end up like our parents and we wont repeat the same mistakes.
Thanks for sharing. Blessings on your day.
If I remember correctly, the comic version had an uphill battle of justifying his own existence. I didn't read the comics but I can hazard a guess that it didn't come anywhere near as successful as the movie version. I also think because instead of going the live action route as most superhero films are doing right now it sets itself apart and rises above even the rayme films. In so doing achieving something really special when it comes the ever political question what if superhero but black now. It really tears down the barriers allowing other people who don't identify as miles social/culturally/racially and makes him become relatable I'm a meaningful way.
Hey Georgia, this is my first time commenting, I do a lot of writing and your videos help me get into the mind of a lot of characters. It would be really cool if you could breakdown some characters from Berserk.
Pls Georgia.. this subject of how to be supportive the right way is really important for us 🙂 I came from a military family.. I've learned how to have that and it is really important.. but in nowadays world it seems that can be different to teach confidence to the younglings without a imminent treat.. I've done through maths as I'm a logic person .. teaching that is ok to fail and try again .. games also I believe gives this confidence but I'm not sure how to put in real problems at school for example I've learned how to put to work overcoming bullying.. anyhow .. thanks for this video and all ur beautiful work .. God bless 🙏
Definitely favorite moments would be when he’s just telling Miguel to go stick it like he’ll still do his own thing no matter what’s in the bond with him and Hobie like it’s just so great plus there’s also that moment where he’s just done w Peter and gwen for lying to him, and he’s just gonna do his own thing no matter what like he’s really coming to to how pent Spider-Man and he’s not a kid like everyone keeps calling and he really is Spider-Man probably more than all the other Spider-Man and women in the society together
It's funny because asking me to do the greater good or save a single person/loved one. I would always pick the single person/loved one. I don't believe that the greater good exists if it requires us to take a single life.
AAGGHHH i love miles
I love Victor Frank's book "Mans Search for Meaning." How finding and holding onto a "Why" can help one endure any "What" or "How". Faith and belief in the values that one is raised with can do amazing things in creating internal resilience. We can see that the others who look at the "greater good" vs "the common good" aren't happy with it because they are not going with their internal moral compasses.
Every time I hear someone refer to “my story,” I think of Auron from Final Fantasy X 😝😎
Love your videos and the energy you bring! 💕💕
Please do a Spider Punk analysis I would so love to watch that 🤩
I still think it's ironic how Miguel calls him the anomaly but Miles is more spiderman like than Miguel is. Miguel isn't funny, haven't seen him being artistic, and he wasn't even bit iirc
Therapist Reacts: Miguel O'Hara
Make it Canon. ❤😂🎉
Who needs therapy when you have Georgia Dow 🎉
Also please cover god of war ragnarok. Lots of deep characters there
I have a question to ask you, will you most likely do a video about Aaron Davis and Miles Morales from Earth-42.
I'm going to be honest I feel like Miles Morales true Inner Strength he's true friends and family and wanting to protect them and never let them get hurt or die that is a true strength of power the most heartbroken thing is Miles getting rejected by Miguel O'Hara in the spider society and getting chased down by hundreds or maybe thousands of Spider-Man and women
It's hard if I were Miles, I would just break up with his friends, but I respect Miles, he's a cool Spider-Man, even if he wasn't supposed to be one, he deserves to be a Spider, he's a legend
I really hope that Gwen makes up with Miles
I beat ‘em all.
You should do one for the spot 😂
Is there anything you could dissect from "Oppenheimer"?
Miguel says Miles wasn’t supposed to be Spider-Man but when you look at his origin you could argue he wasn’t supposed to be either
In my mind no one who isn’t a Peter should be then because To had a Gwen or miles or hobie then canon was derailed then
I wish I was taught how to drive a car...
Does someone know where I can watch this video entirely?😭
Please do a whole different video on parenting. That was something I told my mom when I was in my 20s cause she was too overbearing with my choices growing up, and she didn't understand that neither did my aunts.
Please do Georgia! Please do a video on Miguel!
Move for the Aion!
I’d love a Miguel O Hara video
IK Hober had little in this move, but is he next on the list?
You missed one thing - Miles had 3 Parents. His biological ones and his Uncle. They all helped him grow and he grew stronger then he was em knows now.
Is king pin a bad guy? He is basically doing the same thing Miles is now trying to save/bring back his family even if it risks the destruction of there world.
It is NOT difficult to say your choices for your own as well as everybody safety and satisfaction just for the sake on helping and saving innocent. 👏👏👏👍👍👍🤘🤘🤟🤟🤟🕸️🕸️🕸️🕷️🕷️💯💯💯
I just absolutely love how Miguel is saying the exact opposite of what Miles’s mother said earlier in the movie (which was just hours ago for Miles I think). His mother told him that there would be people who would tell him that he didn’t belong, and that they would be wrong. I really think that that must’ve been on Miles’s mind, and I wish we had some kind of snippet visual/audio flashback to it during the confrontation with Miguel. It was still an incredibly powerful moment and I absolutely adore this movie 😍😭
You should do peter b parker
Why this video is so short..😑
Love your channel
you should do kingdom hearts
I love your outfit
679th like. Wow amazing.
Shame the spiderverse videos don't get a lot of views. Wonder why tho
So…. When did we exchange “thinking” for “programming” 🤔the Greater Good is always the narrative so what is the “Greater Good”? Is there something wrong with being the loner. Yep the isolationist is the Danger Zone
Miles>Miguel
Fire Department.
Teasing a Spider-Punk video I see.
Oof Miles has PTSD😅
It's kind of ridiculous that you're required to have a license to drive different kinds of transportations even just to drive your own car but it takes to license to birth and raise a child to the point sometimes the people most incapable of taking care of themselves less so for a baby properly are not prevented from doing this anyway, like I know there's no manual to good parenting but we should atleast have an idea of some basic qualities of good/decent parenting as in our parents may never become perfect but just an early people of safe people to confide in should be alright. Besides that children shouldn't attach themselves to just any adult no matter how good it can feel to feel connected to someone, sooner or later they'd need to establish their self-autonomous self- personal identity and as in to not become an extension of another person.
Awesome work, M. Dow! You might liket Schnee's videos on Arcane and Spiderverse . . . th-cam.com/users/schnee1 Lots of details on storytelling and character that gels really well with your work . . .