I think what's really poignant about The Spot is his facelessness. It was said once that the appeal of Spiderman is that the whole body is hidden to show the uplifting message that anyone could be Spiderman. But by the same vein, if someone is ignored, laughed at, and pushed around enough, ANYONE could become The Spot.
I absolutely loved Spot because he’s the first “scientist turned into a monster during experiment gone wrong” character who actually ACTS like a scientist. He’s constantly experimenting and picking apart the broader applications of his powers over the course of the movie. And unlike every other supervillain (who usually just tolerates having a kryptonite) when he realises he can run out of holes, he quickly brainstorms a way to get rid of the weakness by recreating the accident that transformed him on a much larger scale. He's far from the joke everyone sees him as.
It's even better when you read The Art of ATSV. He's the one who invented the Collider, but Liv took credit for it. The man is the original multiverse jumping scientist of 1610.
there's also that fact HE conducted the first multi dimensional rift and actually took something from another universe brining it into his own and yet no one knows his name, no one acknowledges him, he can make a miniature particle accelerator from junk to gain more dark matter but had to resort to stealing an atm machine from a random local bodega.
@@its_renren7292 thanks lol, i like to think of it as he just opened a visible wound in the universe and its feeling pain for the first time. (The wound is him btw, as he is basically a living black hole entity)
They were the same way with Renaissance Vulture, utterly dismissive of him while they have their own conversation. It's seemingly the same across all the villains they captured and stored awaiting getting portal'd home, the way they talked about them as just sort of like catalogue collectible i.e "an interesting Kraven, a not so interesting Rhino, etc" It could be a plotpoint in the final film too how all these villains tend not to be self actualized beings in themselves, but merely as a means and plot points for the hero's story
Or to showcase how immoral the Spiders themselves are. To utterly invalidate and dehumanize people. While the Spot and Miles's won't stand for the hypocrisy and corruption...They will fight/kill ALL of these False Gods.
Exactly! And after trying repeatedly to get at least SOME recognition of what had happened to him, he just shuts down entirely, and by the end won't entertain ANY conversation at all.
Right? So when Miles says “I think we got off on the wrong foot, let’s talk about this,” even though Spot responds back, you can clearly hear it in his tone of voice of “oh NOW you want to hear what I have to say, now that I’m an actual threat.”
God I _feel_ that line of "you really don't remember what you did to me?" Cuz I was bullied growing up. A lot. Then years later bullying became the topic of class and I had some of my former bullies in class and when I called them out they could not remember doing any of that to me. And it was _so_ infuriating. Remembering the feeling now makes me want to yell "HOW *DARE* YOU FORGET?!" (and want to probably strangle them but we don't do that, we don't strangle people). It's that visceral outrage, how _dare_ this awful person forget that they ever ruined that stage of my life.
I think Spot’s anger is more of a secondary thing that’s arisen from the real trauma he endured, which is how his life was destroyed by the incident, like his life has lost all legitimacy without a job or loved ones, he doesn’t even look human anymore. I believe that’s why his irrationality makes sense, why he’s externalizing all this on Miles, like it’s not Miles’ fault, but who else can he blame? And if Miles won’t even recognize him, that just gives him another excuse to scapegoat Miles for it all.
Spot using Miles as a scapegoat is right and Spot taking credit for making Miles as Spiderman isn't entirely correct but he did play a part in it. That being said, Miles refusing to take any responsibility for the part that he did play in Spot's creation is ultimately what drives Spot to basically go "I'll show you". Spots creation involved Dr Octavius, Kingpin, Spot himself and the other scientists, wrong place wrong time and Miles did play a part in it too. If Miles acted with a little more empathy, less dismissive, towards Spot's suffering, he could have fostered a conversation to show Spot that he can do incredible things. Spot's frustration towards Miles isn't entirely unwarranted. Miles was the only person that possibly could relate to Spot and he dismissed him as unworthy of his time.
@@jaybirkin you do know Spot was working for Kingpin on an illegal project that could have easily harmed millions of people? Spot didn't deserve his fate, but he has no right to scapegoat Miles.
@@BalthusHomewood I know, though it's not entirely clear if they were all privy to Octvavius and Kingpin's intention with the collider, He and the others scientist played a part in his creation non the less but Miles also played a part in it too. The wording in my first sentence was off, I meant it as you being right on saying that Spot was scapegoating Miles but again, Miles did play a part in it, it's just that he wasn't solely responsible.
@@BalthusHomewood To be fair we don't know if it was illegal and he very well could have not known seeing as how most of the city still thought Kingpin and Spidey were still buddy buddy so I assume that some of the employees might not have the knowledge as well. This is also just headcannon but I'd bet a lot of money he was only in the room when the colliderwent off during the final fight to remove that canister to save people. Maybe it'll be explained in the next movie though.
@@theblitzblader3967He knew. The scientists working on it knew he had criminals like Tombstone, Prowler, Green Goblin, and Scorpion on his pay roll. Not to mention that the machine was tearing into the fabric of space time.
Spot in my opinion is that one villain I wish I could encounter Simply because of how he engages in conversations and even points things out like how there's different variations of spider people.
Here’s something I thought was interesting. Whenever Miles follows Gwen to Mumbhattan, he asks the Spot if he wants to talk about why he’s doing the things he’s doing. The Spot responds, “You made me feel empty. Like I had a hole inside of me. We all have holes, but now I’ve discovered what to fill that hole up with. More holes!” This particularly reminds me of addiction and how, instead of filling your life up with something truly meaningful, you keep putting more holes in yourself that keep going deeper and deeper into yourself just because you can. It seems like he’s becoming way too attached to the insane amount of power he has at the end of the battle. Not because he wants to be evil, far from it. He wants to be a respectable nemesis to Miles, and he earns it. Now that his power is truly all encompassing, he’s more than likely going to take it way too far because of his wounds that he keeps pushing deeper into.
When Spot is telling Miles his origin story, he mentions that Miles threw a bagel at him and hit him in the head. This wasn't something just thrown into the sequel for comedic effect. In the first movie when Peter and Miles are running from the lab, Miles actually does throw a bagel behind him, and if you watch the bagel it does it a man in the head with a tiny caption that reads "Bagel!". I thought that was such a great call back for such a small detail in the first movie.
I have so much to say about Spot but I'll stick with this: he sure is an honest villain. He tells you straight up what's going on with him and he's entirely genuine about it. Saddest part is that even though none of this is Miles fault and he IS projecting at the teenager in the spidey suit, if Miles was listening to him and reached out with a little empathy BEFORE our spotty man turned into a lovecraftian eldritch horror...he'd have made a great superhero.
I never thought I would relate to a supervillain more than I did with Spot; I love everything about him, his powers, his personality, his design, all of it. 10/10 character right there
I never noticed that Spot was putting the cans he knocked down on a line to the door to wheel the ATM out. He's so much the scientist-academic, quick and practical solutions to things that never needed to be a problem if he just stepped back to try a different thing entirely.
I know Spot is a villain, but I really sympathize and relate to him. As someone who used to be "the weird one" in school, most of the time people didn't take me serious and some of them made fun of me. This still happens nowadays with some friends and family members not taking me serious or respecting me, including my own mother and brother. I kinda feel bad for Spot and I hope he manages to redeem himself in the next movie. So he can chill with Miles and his friends and eat some bagels together lmao.
I hope you do end up working through the trauma and find people who can accept and respect you as a person, and more importantly, I hope you start loving and respecting yourself. You got this 👊
@@JazzSicaa Easy solution: Find a real life super collider, become a multi-dimensional being, destroy everything you hate, and boom, problem solved. (Im obviously joking, I hope you work through it or try to prove to them someway your not who they see you as.)
Watching Spot’s progression through the film was one of the best experiences I’ve had watching a movie. He started out as a light hearted, comic relief character that would be dealt with early on in the move. He’s not treated seriously by Miles or basically anyone, thus making us, the audience not really think much of him either. But the table starts to shift once he begins explaining his backstory and even before that, you can see his growing frustrations as Miles, Jeff and Spot arrive at the AlcheMax sight. Then we get a very chilling line. “LOOK AT ME!! YOU DID THIS TO ME! LOOK AT ME! I’LL MAKE YOU RESPECT ME!” This line actually scared me, his pain, his grief and more importantly his rage was felt in that moment. It was from there, that I actually regret taking Spot so lightly and saw him as the villain he aspired to become with such conviction, someone that should be taken seriously.
Could’ve been avoided if Miles did actually have emotional intelligence and listened to him and help him come up with ways to use his powers for other things. If I were spot I would start a travel business
I loved that when Spot used the second collider the artstyle turned into something like a Francis Bacon painting. And Bacon was known to suffer from depression and had destructive tendencies. I don't know if the animators intended that but considering the creativity and unbelievable detail in the film then it probably was.
Spot, Miles and Miguel are all mirrors of their issues. They all pushed their connections away in fear due to traumatic bias, and further down spiraled their situations in acts of self preservation of themselves and those around them, but it only led to more turmoil and anguish. If they focused on their connections and even saw each other in themselves, they’d gradually see that they are all mirrors/each others solution. It just takes the work of understanding and realizing that what divides them isn’t the point. They’re all going through the same core situations, just different.
This was a great reaction and as a side note, I love your top, it's really cool. Watching your video, rewatching the scene where Spot enters the Mumbatton lab reactor room, I noticed something. As Spot heads to the main console, he teleports the staff out of the room, which could be something as simple as getting rid of distractions, but he seems strong enough that they wouldn't bother him. What if instead, he's doing it, so what happened to him doesn't happen to them, his experience projected onto others and saving them makes up for not being able to save himself. That could be a huge reach, but I do like to wonder about these things sometimes. Either way, again, great video!
When you remember the only character who shares his name in the comics is a minor one-off character in a foster home, the line "my family can't even look at me" hits harder because the visuals stay rooted on the other scientists, implying when he says family, he means them. His work colleagues were the closest to family he had. Now he doesn't even have that. To Miles, Dr. Ohn is just a guy in the background. But the reality is the guy in the background has a whole backstory to him none of us are aware of, complete with pain, loss and a whole lifetime of trying to find stability that got undone by someone else. And that someone else doesn't even remember they ruined your life.
I mean realistically, Spot may have exaggerated his fellow scientists laughing at him part. I say this because these are SCIENTISTS and not just some teens, and as it so happens Spot is an anomaly of SCIENCE. I would pivot more towards the notion of him being used as a guinea pig rather than anything else. His pain would then be based on him being used for scientific research and experiments.
I also like that he really reflects Milles's journey. He starts as a person barely able to control his powers and being seen as barely a threat only to become seriously powerful once he masters them. Just like Miles
Thank you for discussing these things. I’m keen on psychology and astv at the same time and you encourage me to work more on my knowledge. I love those characters and I relate to all of them at some point, sometimes unfortunately. I’ve had this “Spotty” phase for several years when I would be clowning all around and nobody would take me serious if I tried to be because of my awful social skills. It didn’t end well in the long perspective. My coping mechanism is not just humour - when I am stressed or uncomfortable I start acting silly all the time and it doesn’t help at all especially during exams or auditions or just important conversations. That’s probably one of the reasons I like Johnathan Onn so much. Thank you again for this video, you did an incredible job🫶
The most funny thing about Spot is that he (adult) is demanding respect from a teenager. That is huge ask from kids at that age. And the way you can get it is like Hobbie being “cool” (aka “being comfortable in your skin and seeming like you have it together).
@@derrickdaniels3955 Come on there's no way someone looks at Miles and hears him speak that they think he's an adult. Miles has always been known to be younger to the public. It's even that he's known as the Second Spider-Man...You know that everyone would assume is his son/younger brother/apprentice. There's no way that anyone falls for that fake voice.
@@derrickdaniels3955 but if he knows which spider bit him, he should know who Miles is (and him showing the future where Jeff dies due to his actions means he does)
@@NyikoDoris I suppose but id like to know exactly how he knows Miles identity. He would know the spider bit him because that's wide spread information about Spiderman at this point. There is literally a in universe comic book that explains Peters origin. What I don't get is how he knows it was Miles who got bit.
I loved the way he broke this down, and made Spot more of a sympathetic character. I loved this guy in the movie and I can't wait for what he'll do in Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse
13:22 In Spot's first scene he mentions not being able to get a job, or anything of the type because of how he looks. (And also, he turned into The Spot in more or less a year and some months~ It was a time skip, so we did not see him trying to adapt to literally being a Black Hole.) So, in this gap of time, he might have tried to do good, or even seek out his close ones, but they didn't even want to look at him, that was probably another trauma for him, since if he was close to his family and they turned their back on him so fast, then that voice inside his head that tells him he's not enough, now has even more power. Also, the way he refers to himself as ''This'' when he's confronting Miles at the Old Collider is really... sad? Like, it feels as if he doesn't see himself as being worthy of being called human. He just sees himself as ''that thing'', like when you tell somebody to ''grab that thing for me'', it's just a non important ''thing''. Aaaand, in that entire year that Spot was out there, not once he went after Spider-Man. He just tried to live a 'normal life', but it wasn't working so he started to steal , theeen Miles showed up, made fun of him and everything snowballed. It feels like that bully from your childhood that traumatized you, and you see them in public, they are behind you in the line to scan your items at the store, but then all those memories start coming back and you confront them, just for them to hit you with the level of respect Miles showed Spot. I think it might've been such a painful thing to go through, the transformation that is, while Miles' was smooth as butter. Spot on the other hand, had his entire body contorted and distorted into what he is now, in some concept arts there was a stage in-between what we saw in the movie and what he looked before the transformation, the stage at the middle was honestly horrifying to see. Great video o/ ☺
I feel so bad for The Spot, and people still think he's a selfish idiot who is trying to put the blame in Miles, but they don't know that Miles disrespected The Spot and never apologized to him. He wasn't even trying to attack Miles at first, he was only trying to confront him and get him to listen to his story, and Miles didn't even care. He was just a...guy, whose life was taken away by someone who doesn't care and doesn't wanna know what happened to him, and I hope he turns good
I hope that Spot gets redeemed in the final movie, he’s clearly very traumatized and he hasn’t done anything permanently irredeemable yet, so there’s a chance he could improve and use his powers for good. The movie even shows that he has a sense of morality, given that he takes the time to teleport away all the scientists before he activates the collider so they wouldn’t get caught in the crossfire and be hurt.
Honestly i thought spot was one of the toughest villians spider man has had to face. It actually shows a capable Spot in the Disney+ Spiderman TV show. The TV show also features Miles and Gwen.
There's a deleted scene in the movie where the spot went to a bar full of spider-mans super villains and all the villains in that bar made fun of him But the deleted scene is still in the movie at the scene where Miguel (spider-man 2099) was looking at the hollowgram
I can relate to using humor as a defense mechanism. I was heavily bullied in school and at some point started using dark humor to mask my own feelings. I was once fired from a boat manufacturing plant. I had a feeling before it happened that I was going to be fired. The foreman called me into his office and I looked at him and said "Should I sharpen the guillotine blade for you?" He had a confused look on his face and I said "I'm being fired right?". He said "yea". I said let's just make this quick and then left the factory.
My brother said that people like Spot were just blaming Miles for their own mistakes. And I replied, “Oh please? You think people like him will take responsibility for their own actions?”
right! he wants “credit” for “creating” Spider-man but hasn’t done the actual self evaluation to address that he did significant damage to another timeline and was part of threatening his own all in the service of a villain working for another villain… Miles didn’t put him in the collider, he did…
I found the character ironically chilling. From the start he was a goofy, laughed at villain. But when he got more powerful, my goodness he was truly scary. The way he looked, the way he spoke, and what his plans are, we're terrifying. Especially of course for Miles. Spot reminds me of Abby from the Last Of Us 2. In that, we focus on the heroes who do heroic things. We never think of other people who are affected by the heroes actions. However, when Abbys dad got murdered she vowed for revenge. The same goes for spot. He was a victim of the collider incident and understandly (in a way) blames Miles.
I loved this video, people rarely talk about just how screwed over The Spot really was. It wasn’t really anyone’s fault, the spot was just unlucky, and that’s an explanation that no one who lost their life likes to hear. If I had one minor gripe with this video, it’s the idea that the spot could have used his powers for good. And while that is technically true, it should be noted that there was really no point for the spot to do so. He’s already dealing with the fact that he lost everything, he doesn’t have any money or family/friends to turn to, why would he suddenly decide to be a hero to compensate, it helps in now way whatsoever. The spot even states at the start that he was forced into crime, sure the motive to be respected helped, but his ultimate motive initially was just to get some money to support himself since he couldn’t do anything else. Meeting Miles was NOT a part of the plan, he was shocked to see Miles just hanging right infront of him. Seeing the cause of what he became (even if it wasn’t Miles’ fault) just dismissing him over and over changed his priorities from simply getting by to being respected, which spiraled into getting ultimate revenge of Miles. Keep in mind this happened within the span of like 3 hours. The spot wasn’t really thinking about of the consequences of his actions, fueled by a single minded hatred towards Miles for diminishing his feelings. If literally anyone actually took the time to genuinely listen and accept his feelings, then he probably wouldn’t have gone through with his twisted plan to be respected. It should also be noted that The Spot DID try on multiple occasions to make genuine connections before his desire to be respected for twisted. It is heavily implied that he did try to turn to his friends and family when he became the spot, but they all turned him away. He even tried to genuinely talk about his feelings with (what he sees as) the ultimate cause of his pain, and is rejected repeatedly again. Whether you can excuse his actions as a result of trauma and simple unluckiness, or condemn him for turning evil, ultimately what you should ask yourself is ‘what would I do in The Spot’s shoes’. I personally believe that I wouldn’t be able to handle the isolation and trauma The Spot went through. Have you ever considered how it would feel to have your atoms ripped apart to become an unhuman entity? The pain would have been unimaginable.
I think the Spot is what Electro was TRYING to be in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. It's interesting because we DO spend more time with Electro as a person than we do with Spot, but the transformation to villainy and obsession with Spider-Man was absolutely fumbled. Here, I think it works, because we only see him AFTER he became who he is now. We get the backstory sure, but we spend more time with him as Spot than who he used to be and we see that even after his accident, he WANTS to be something more than what he is to Miles: a joke. He's a villain who has a want that actually kind of makes sense. Problem is he's going all about the wrong ways to get that want. Spot is MORE than JUST the bad guy. There's layers to him. The hero is only as good as the villain. The Spot was right in a sense.
This movie is so freakin' good. I think it's a testament to the quality of the writing that you've gotten enough material for several videos out of it!
I really hope the next movie is not just gonna be POW POW POW KILL THE VILLAIN, because Spot's arc could be so great. Im positive the writers have skmething amazing in agore for him.
Great video, Georgia. You're right. A lot of the pain within is hidden from others, especially with the stigma. And I agree 100% about the importance of being sensitive of others' feelings, especially when they feel hurt by what one says. I 100% agree that we should be taught in schools about interpersonal communications. It's crucial for life. That's so true that humor is used to deal with pain and reduce tension. (And that's true that it can hurt people too). It goes back to your point about being sensitive. I feel for Spot too. I didn't think about it at the beginning, but the more I think about him, the more I felt for him. Excellent point about the buckets we carry. It can be hard to open up, so I can see why sometimes, how we actually feel and how we express our needs can be done in a much more subtle way/a way that can only be detected by reading between the lines (or focusing on how it may be different than how one usually responds). I agree that such validation and really listening is so important too. I agree also about how important internal validation and introspection are also. Great analysis, Georgia. "It's the gift that we hope someone else will fill, but it's the gift we need to give to ourselves." - Yes. That's so true. I too have found that internal validation is much more sustainable than external validation (which is also helpful, but yeah, definitely not sustainable on its own). You're right that Miles didn't listen and that his jokes just made things worse. Good point about how our perceptions can skew our reality, especially when there's pain and embarrassment. I feel even more for Spot as well. He's so well written. I agree that Spot has been buried in pain and anger and, going back to what you said, it's skewed his reality. The depth of his pain is so deep. Great point about how avoidance doesn't help. It worsens the pain. Hehehe I like your pun. I agree. His character arc is excellent. It is well done. Great costplay! Wonderful video!!
I like to see his initial defeat as a metaphor for rage and feeling entitled to attention causing self-sabatoge and ultimately making you look like a fool.
20:00 Spot- "someone really really sweet" he was a ARMED scientist henchman(in a lunch room) chasing spiderman of their own choice. Kingpin didn't order any of them to do that.
They keep thinking he's a joke not a threat, They keep thinking Miles isn't real enough doesn't matter. Oh how wrong they're and oh golly I can't wait to see them truly suffer for their/his arrogance.
This is another great video, I see myself in Spot as well as Gwen. Thank you for making the content that you make with your observations as being a psychotherapist.
Sheeeesh that line about the phone was something I didn’t notice either time I watched. This movie such a great script. A good take at what alienation can lead to
I'd be really interested on your take on the idea of canon in the movies and how it touches on comparative mythology in how the stories that formed and permeate our cultures across the world are both important and in a lot of cases seemingly resemble each other independently across cultures, like the raven stealing fire for man in Native Americans Stories, and Prometheus in Greek doing the same.
One of Spots lines that strikes me during the Mumbatten fight is about how he wants to fill the hole inside him with “more holes”. It acts as a metaphor to how his new obsession with being Miles arch enemy is only plunging him deeper into this harmful mindset, this hole to speak of.
Would you agree that spot and Miguel are kind of similar in the way that they’re both so single minded on what they believe in like Miguel is honestly the Spider-Man equivalent of spot because he won’t accept the change or idea that the canon events can be changed all because of his own trauma and grief
Reminds me of mysterious in Spider-Man far from home when he’s talking about b.a.r.f. And when he remembers it everyone laughs but when we see it in civil war nobody does
*Movie-spolier-question:* Wonder if you're going to react to the final "villain" reveal of the movie, _Prowler Miles._ A lot of people could bring up the whole "losing a parent trauma" or the "kid supporting family has to grow up too fast", but all the arguments I've heard presuppose that Prowler is a villain. Sure the movie makes it look like Miles is going to have to fight his "evil" counterpart, but if he'd stop and think about it _Prowler_ is just doing what Miles would do - protect his family. The audience is making an assumption that this is _Miles-gone-bad,_ but it isn't, this is _Miles_ - having already lost a parent, seeing a doppleganger interact with _Miles'_ remaining family - which prompts _him_ to address the threat.
Why doesn't Miles' father recognize Miles' voice when he is in his Spider-man suit? I know it's a common comic book trope (like how no one realizes Clark Kent is Superman) but is there an actual psychological reason for this?
Thank you so much Georgia 🙂 amazing ..this episode reminds me about the Joker.. each one of them would become a nice series for u to give us ur amazing insights 😊
The first time he appeared was in the amazing Spiderman TV show, it sad he had a wife. When he got his powers he was a bank robber then his spots got out of control and he had to sacrifice himself to save the world and the one he loved. It's nice to see him back
The biggest thing that I noticed is that with his final transformation, he looks similar to Miles' suit, black base with white decals and a small amount of color. If he can't be respected by him, he can be better than him.
We don’t know how or why Spot originally ended up as a scientist working on the collider. However like Miguel, he shouldn’t blame Miles for his situation. If anything Doc Oc or King Pin are responsible for the collider. I’ll be interested to see what happens to him and the other characters in the next movie (with better staff treatment)! Edit: It was a mistake for Miles to underestimate and belittle him though.
I extremely love spot he is my favorite character in the hole movie and I don't find him scary instead I find him adorable. I extremely feel bad for him I even cried watching this, I adore spot and I feel almost the same thing like him, people don't pay attention to me and I end up being a lonelyer😐
Now that I think about it, there's shades of this in the Centipede and Fire Saga as well. Candi doesn't care about Drop-In at first. She's not even all that concerned with Lava Tigre at first. It's only when her half-brother weaponizes the system against her, and one misunderstanding by police results in her getting arrested at the exact moment that the Hebbleskins take her entire small town hostage and then put another force field around it, and she knows that her not going home immediately after school like her caretakers hoped she would could now doom her town and everyone she cares about, that she suddenly understands the gravity of her mistake. Even then, she doesn't really care if she ends up in juvie. As depressed and demoralized as she is by what's happening to the world around her, and how she feels like she's one of the few doing anything about it, as long as she fixes her mistake and secures her town against the Hebbleskins, she no longer cares if she gets locked up afterward, not even if the reason her half brother gives makes even less sense than some of the Trump indictments. The way she sees it, getting railroaded could be a way to taxpayer funded therapy, which would allow her to get the counseling she's needed since she was raped in middle school, but which her family has denied her. So even jail doesn't bother her. The only thing she cares about, is that her sister and boyfriend could get hurt with her gone. Then, she winds up getting antagonized by Amirah. And can't understand why anything about her causes Amirah to feel so annoyed as to feel it necessary to antagonize her. So getting annoyed back, she entertains a playful rivalry, having fun with making Amirah and her gang face constant humiliation as their attempts to hurt her keep backfiring. Again, because her sister and boyfriend are all she cares about. Then again, Drop-In doesn't even think anything about her, and doesn't know anything about Candi being Ciem. He doesn't care. He had a job to do with attacking the police convoy, and it was just an assignment. Ciem damaging his jetpack and forcing him to retreat was nothing but an occupational hazard. Then, after getting a lecture from some staff at Madison, Candi notices them not practice what they preach in regards to how they treat Amirah. So she begins snooping around. She discovers that officer Lonny Factor is Drop-In, and also a sadist who's been doing horrible sexual things to Amirah, and drugging her so she couldn't fight back, and perfected the art of getting away with it. So Candi finally shows some humility, and offers to help Amirah and the Sparks of Vengeance to expose Factor as Drop-In. She also learns of what turned Amirah into Flintirah, and inspires Amirah to prove that she can be more than just some pyromancer villain, as the juvenile court framed her to be. However, after Drop-In, his real motives, and his lust and lust for power over Amirah are exposed, and staff are forced to admit they have a sexual predator in their midst, another Hebbleskin plant guard tips Factor off, before quickly resigning to avoid herself being exposed. Drop-In realizes that he's now under investigation for sexual misconduct with an incarcerated minor, has lost his job, and lost his access to his slave. He figures out Candi is Ciem, and swears revenge against her for ruining his perfect little ruse. Suddenly, he almost entirely forgets about Amirah, because getting revenge on Candi for ruining his fun is all that matters. And it's in that moment that Candi realizes all the harm her new nemesis has caused, that she never even noticed before, because of her own small-minded focus on only herself and her family and her boyfriend. Some time later, Korsicht attacks the facility. Candi has lost almost everything, and the warden becomes like a father to her. At first, Korsicht means nothing to Candi, he's just another Triumvirate thug. Even his scary magic volcano-mancy necklace doesn't threaten her that much. As for killing her new friends? Standard occupational hazard. But when she tries defending guards and inmates alike, rather than run away when she has the chance to escape, she violates all of Korsicht's models on juvenile delinquent behavior. He notes how she got railroaded into prison. And unlike Candi, he makes no distinction between the corrupt officials that put her there, and the jobbers put in charge of keeping her there. He can't fathom why she'd forgive and protect the system that betrayed and oppressed her, so her existence becomes offensive to him, enough to threaten everyone she cares about, and then kidnap the warden in order to challenge her to prove herself. His mocking the idea of familial love, something he'd never truly known, is what finally makes his challenge personal enough to her sense of principles, that she takes him up on his challenge, and travels to Cincinnati under furlough to rescue the warden, even if just to prove to Korsicht which of them actually does have the moral high ground. (And win back the only father figure she has left.) At that point, she doesn't care if succeeding means going right back to prison. She only knows that she can't let Korsicht win, lest his character models drive him to not only hurt her loved ones, but millions more, due to his callousness. Any flippant attitude she had before is completely gone by the Caldera timeline. From there, she's almost overwhelmed with anxiety. She doesn't need anything to explain to her why she should care about what Quoll is doing. But she is frustrated at not being able to immediately deduce his endgame, as the time she is being forced to waste on all his diversions will cost lives. (But not addressing them will also cost lives.) At that point, Quoll is just some vain jobber for the Hebbleskins, but has masqueraded his true assignment behind a large wall of misdirections. He prides himself in filming Candi's visible confusion at not understanding why he's planting so many traps, and why she has to fight all these battles. Or the sense in his endangering lives. Meanwhile, as she becomes worn down by failure to connect the dots, he revels in the validation he gets from her confusion. Quoll's desperation toward the end isn't even motivated so much by Candi's persistence, or gradually figuring out his endgame. What really irritates him, was that he failed to account for Tanya Woven undermining him. Candi is finally released back to her home town after being locked up for over two years, and is truly humbled. For in spite all her small victories, her world is still falling to pieces. Other heroes have failed, and she now gets to inherit the fallout of their failures.
I think it would be cool if you cover someone like ban from seven deadly sins. He's a fun character because he is very joyful and playful in the way he acts. But he uses it as a cover for his traumas. Both him and miliodas cover their grief similarly but they handle it internally a lot differently. The series begins to suck after season 1 but the entire premise of the show and the characters within them would be some seriously good material for you to make a video.
Rio = Best Mom. As someone that had an abusive mother it's both heartwarming and heartbreaking. Jeff = Flawed but Fair father that would do anything for his son...Anything. The tragedy is that if Miles had told them the truth...Nothing would change at all. Unlike George they would never condemn him and would support him unconditionally. Further tragedy is if they knew about the canon events...They would willingly die for him, his future and the world without hesitation. Jeff's a cop...Everyday on the job is him risking his life willingly to serve others. Jeff and Rio are parents that show unconditional love towards Miles...There's no way they would ever accept Miles risking his own life and suffering immensely because of them because of what they said. I'm sure Rio would blame herself for Miles trying to break the canon, That Jeff would blame himself for not teaching Miles that it's their job to die for him not the other way around. Whether Miles would listen or argue that this love goes both ways...Don't know. If they knew the entire story that we know about Miles and Gwen...They would 100% ask Miles to forgive her because at least Rio knows for a fact they're meant for each other and would embrace Gwen into their family with no reservation. Gwiles is probably a lot like Young Rio and Jeff...Rio being fearful of Gwen hurting Miles because she reminds her of herself (there's all these themes of projection from adults to kids). I bet everything I have that Rio and Jeff also only got together (that Miles only exists) because of Uncle Aaron and his shoulder touch magic advice.
@@NyikoDoris Yep. There's also the plot element that they haven't indicated yet...Rio, Jeff, Aaron and Miguel O'Hara were all from broken homes where their parents physically and mentally abused them. The love that Rio and Jeff have for Miles is born of trauma they endured...Their own "Canon Events". To make sure what Rio and Jeff went through didn't happen for nothing...To prevent what they suffered in youth they must show Miles what they were never given unconditional love. While the reason that Miguel and Aaron became darker...Is because they couldn't handle that trauma they never found a productive and healthy means for it to mean something. Never built a family of their own sinking deeper into regret. But the difference is that Aaron never lost sight of family matters most...He took the brunt of the abuse from Miles grandfather to protect Jeff and he always wanted to remain part of the family it was Jeff that pushed him away when he found out he was the Prowler. In short the same kind of rejection that Gwen was given but even worse.
A great analysis of the character. I never even knew of this villain, but I found out that he is a small time villain, a joke villain. It is amazing how they made him completely dangerous and outright horrifying in a aldritch god kind of way. Another thing to mention is how amazing the writers changed a background character into a major character. Also, do you have clothes for any kind of character? Is there no character that you don't have clothes for?
I feel the Spot is blaming Miles for his own mistakes. Working for the Kingpin of Crime. Taking blood money from corrupt businessman. Working with highly dangerous technology. All these scientists knew that there were consequences to what they were doing and did it anyway. Was Miles wrong to make fun of Spot. No. He's a criminal robbing an ATM. That doesn't scream. Respect me.
Exactly, dude was projecting, the lack of self awareness. No one told you to work on a collider that was making black hole in NY, you did that all to yourself, you're just looking for a scapegoat now.
Miles was wrong to make fun of him. It's easy to say everything's funny when you're not the target of the joke about your existence being invalid. But yes the Spot just like Miguel is scapegoating Miles, projecting on Miles, condemning Miles for things out of his control and even because of things that they personally did wrong.
@@flamesofchaos13 Miles is also 15/16 and simply doesn’t realize just how hurt Spot was by him. It’s not malicious, it’s him seeing first half of the movie Spot the way we do
@@NyikoDoris Yeah none of them intend to be malicious with their jokes and quips...It's a coping mechanism the majority of Spiders have. They just need to learn...It's not always the right time to do so. This was exactly the worst time to do so...Coming from the Spider that is usually the most empathetic of the lot.
Yeah what happened to spot wasn't mile fault. It was just bad luck, wrong time wrong place. And it's not the powers that make him spiderman it's what he decides to do with those powers... Insert uncle Ben speech here. Spots just refusing to hold himself accountable for his own actions.
Please play some Baldur's Gate 3! There's so much depth to some of the NPCs that i can honestly say i have been able to explore thoroughly because of your videos!
I think what's really poignant about The Spot is his facelessness.
It was said once that the appeal of Spiderman is that the whole body is hidden to show the uplifting message that anyone could be Spiderman.
But by the same vein, if someone is ignored, laughed at, and pushed around enough, ANYONE could become The Spot.
I absolutely loved Spot because he’s the first “scientist turned into a monster during experiment gone wrong” character who actually ACTS like a scientist.
He’s constantly experimenting and picking apart the broader applications of his powers over the course of the movie. And unlike every other supervillain (who usually just tolerates having a kryptonite) when he realises he can run out of holes, he quickly brainstorms a way to get rid of the weakness by recreating the accident that transformed him on a much larger scale. He's far from the joke everyone sees him as.
Yes my feelings as well !!! thanks for the support as well
It's even better when you read The Art of ATSV. He's the one who invented the Collider, but Liv took credit for it. The man is the original multiverse jumping scientist of 1610.
there's also that fact HE conducted the first multi dimensional rift and actually took something from another universe brining it into his own and yet no one knows his name, no one acknowledges him, he can make a miniature particle accelerator from junk to gain more dark matter but had to resort to stealing an atm machine from a random local bodega.
@painstakeranimations9253 wow really? Damn that makes me feel even more for the guy. Justice for Jonathan Ohn!
You're also describing Lizard from TASM.
His theme is terrifying, it went form the upbeat humor to the distorted strings. The music in the movie is fantastic.
It's beautifully terrifying and equally terrific! ❤😂
Did you not notice how its kind of a reverb of the collider theme?
It sounds like the universe being slowly tear’d apart and screaming in responce
@@TheBayHarbourBingusthat is a perfectly visceral analogy to his theme, i love it!
@@its_renren7292 thanks lol, i like to think of it as he just opened a visible wound in the universe and its feeling pain for the first time.
(The wound is him btw, as he is basically a living black hole entity)
Spider-Verse writers keep bringing lesser known comic book Spider-Man characters and doing them justice. I'm glad they exist.
They were the same way with Renaissance Vulture, utterly dismissive of him while they have their own conversation. It's seemingly the same across all the villains they captured and stored awaiting getting portal'd home, the way they talked about them as just sort of like catalogue collectible i.e "an interesting Kraven, a not so interesting Rhino, etc" It could be a plotpoint in the final film too how all these villains tend not to be self actualized beings in themselves, but merely as a means and plot points for the hero's story
Very good point
Or to showcase how immoral the Spiders themselves are. To utterly invalidate and dehumanize people. While the Spot and Miles's won't stand for the hypocrisy and corruption...They will fight/kill ALL of these False Gods.
I just love how before he got OP, he was possibly the chattiest villain you could think of
Imagine him&Deadpool fighting each others...@.@ (or bonding,I don't know...)
Exactly! And after trying repeatedly to get at least SOME recognition of what had happened to him, he just shuts down entirely, and by the end won't entertain ANY conversation at all.
Right? So when Miles says “I think we got off on the wrong foot, let’s talk about this,” even though Spot responds back, you can clearly hear it in his tone of voice of “oh NOW you want to hear what I have to say, now that I’m an actual threat.”
The Spot is terrifying. Is is everyone that gets consumed by their own pain until all they can do is spread that pain to others.
Preach.
God I _feel_ that line of "you really don't remember what you did to me?"
Cuz I was bullied growing up. A lot. Then years later bullying became the topic of class and I had some of my former bullies in class and when I called them out they could not remember doing any of that to me. And it was _so_ infuriating. Remembering the feeling now makes me want to yell "HOW *DARE* YOU FORGET?!" (and want to probably strangle them but we don't do that, we don't strangle people).
It's that visceral outrage, how _dare_ this awful person forget that they ever ruined that stage of my life.
Are u okay right now?
I think Spot’s anger is more of a secondary thing that’s arisen from the real trauma he endured, which is how his life was destroyed by the incident, like his life has lost all legitimacy without a job or loved ones, he doesn’t even look human anymore. I believe that’s why his irrationality makes sense, why he’s externalizing all this on Miles, like it’s not Miles’ fault, but who else can he blame? And if Miles won’t even recognize him, that just gives him another excuse to scapegoat Miles for it all.
Spot using Miles as a scapegoat is right and Spot taking credit for making Miles as Spiderman isn't entirely correct but he did play a part in it. That being said, Miles refusing to take any responsibility for the part that he did play in Spot's creation is ultimately what drives Spot to basically go "I'll show you". Spots creation involved Dr Octavius, Kingpin, Spot himself and the other scientists, wrong place wrong time and Miles did play a part in it too. If Miles acted with a little more empathy, less dismissive, towards Spot's suffering, he could have fostered a conversation to show Spot that he can do incredible things. Spot's frustration towards Miles isn't entirely unwarranted. Miles was the only person that possibly could relate to Spot and he dismissed him as unworthy of his time.
@@jaybirkin you do know Spot was working for Kingpin on an illegal project that could have easily harmed millions of people? Spot didn't deserve his fate, but he has no right to scapegoat Miles.
@@BalthusHomewood I know, though it's not entirely clear if they were all privy to Octvavius and Kingpin's intention with the collider, He and the others scientist played a part in his creation non the less but Miles also played a part in it too. The wording in my first sentence was off, I meant it as you being right on saying that Spot was scapegoating Miles but again, Miles did play a part in it, it's just that he wasn't solely responsible.
@@BalthusHomewood To be fair we don't know if it was illegal and he very well could have not known seeing as how most of the city still thought Kingpin and Spidey were still buddy buddy so I assume that some of the employees might not have the knowledge as well. This is also just headcannon but I'd bet a lot of money he was only in the room when the colliderwent off during the final fight to remove that canister to save people. Maybe it'll be explained in the next movie though.
@@theblitzblader3967He knew. The scientists working on it knew he had criminals like Tombstone, Prowler, Green Goblin, and Scorpion on his pay roll. Not to mention that the machine was tearing into the fabric of space time.
Spot in my opinion is that one villain I wish I could encounter Simply because of how he engages in conversations and even points things out like how there's different variations of spider people.
The fact that he is a scientist that opened the gates to the multiverse is impressive by itself. He would be great to chat with regarding most things
I love that when he gets hit with the bagel, the comic book style POW text just says - BAGEL !
Bagel is now a verb thanks to this film hahah x3
He was bageled! That's why he felt so humiliated
Here’s something I thought was interesting. Whenever Miles follows Gwen to Mumbhattan, he asks the Spot if he wants to talk about why he’s doing the things he’s doing. The Spot responds, “You made me feel empty. Like I had a hole inside of me. We all have holes, but now I’ve discovered what to fill that hole up with. More holes!” This particularly reminds me of addiction and how, instead of filling your life up with something truly meaningful, you keep putting more holes in yourself that keep going deeper and deeper into yourself just because you can. It seems like he’s becoming way too attached to the insane amount of power he has at the end of the battle. Not because he wants to be evil, far from it. He wants to be a respectable nemesis to Miles, and he earns it. Now that his power is truly all encompassing, he’s more than likely going to take it way too far because of his wounds that he keeps pushing deeper into.
When Spot is telling Miles his origin story, he mentions that Miles threw a bagel at him and hit him in the head. This wasn't something just thrown into the sequel for comedic effect. In the first movie when Peter and Miles are running from the lab, Miles actually does throw a bagel behind him, and if you watch the bagel it does it a man in the head with a tiny caption that reads "Bagel!". I thought that was such a great call back for such a small detail in the first movie.
I have so much to say about Spot but I'll stick with this: he sure is an honest villain.
He tells you straight up what's going on with him and he's entirely genuine about it.
Saddest part is that even though none of this is Miles fault and he IS projecting at the teenager in the spidey suit, if Miles was listening to him and reached out with a little empathy BEFORE our spotty man turned into a lovecraftian eldritch horror...he'd have made a great superhero.
he completly dismissed him, like he wasn't even worth hearing an ounce of, Miles has some blame
@@MisterPyOne probably not for the universe ending supervillainy. Proportionate responses there jonathan
@@WandersNowherre no, it's the compound of everything, and Miles has his proportional share of the result.
I never thought I would relate to a supervillain more than I did with Spot; I love everything about him, his powers, his personality, his design, all of it. 10/10 character right there
I never noticed that Spot was putting the cans he knocked down on a line to the door to wheel the ATM out. He's so much the scientist-academic, quick and practical solutions to things that never needed to be a problem if he just stepped back to try a different thing entirely.
I know Spot is a villain, but I really sympathize and relate to him. As someone who used to be "the weird one" in school, most of the time people didn't take me serious and some of them made fun of me. This still happens nowadays with some friends and family members not taking me serious or respecting me, including my own mother and brother.
I kinda feel bad for Spot and I hope he manages to redeem himself in the next movie. So he can chill with Miles and his friends and eat some bagels together lmao.
I hope you do end up working through the trauma and find people who can accept and respect you as a person, and more importantly, I hope you start loving and respecting yourself. You got this 👊
@@akmhd Thx a lot ❤️
@@JazzSicaa Easy solution: Find a real life super collider, become a multi-dimensional being, destroy everything you hate, and boom, problem solved. (Im obviously joking, I hope you work through it or try to prove to them someway your not who they see you as.)
@@majungabunga Thx. I've already found a super collider here.
Dude I said the same exact thing! I really want his redemption 😭
Watching Spot’s progression through the film was one of the best experiences I’ve had watching a movie.
He started out as a light hearted, comic relief character that would be dealt with early on in the move. He’s not treated seriously by Miles or basically anyone, thus making us, the audience not really think much of him either.
But the table starts to shift once he begins explaining his backstory and even before that, you can see his growing frustrations as Miles, Jeff and Spot arrive at the AlcheMax sight.
Then we get a very chilling line.
“LOOK AT ME!! YOU DID THIS TO ME! LOOK AT ME! I’LL MAKE YOU RESPECT ME!”
This line actually scared me, his pain, his grief and more importantly his rage was felt in that moment.
It was from there, that I actually regret taking Spot so lightly and saw him as the villain he aspired to become with such conviction, someone that should be taken seriously.
I love how spot’s arc is almost exactly the same as miles’s arc in the first film
Could’ve been avoided if Miles did actually have emotional intelligence and listened to him and help him come up with ways to use his powers for other things. If I were spot I would start a travel business
I loved that when Spot used the second collider the artstyle turned into something like a Francis Bacon painting. And Bacon was known to suffer from depression and had destructive tendencies. I don't know if the animators intended that but considering the creativity and unbelievable detail in the film then it probably was.
Spot, Miles and Miguel are all mirrors of their issues. They all pushed their connections away in fear due to traumatic bias, and further down spiraled their situations in acts of self preservation of themselves and those around them, but it only led to more turmoil and anguish. If they focused on their connections and even saw each other in themselves, they’d gradually see that they are all mirrors/each others solution. It just takes the work of understanding and realizing that what divides them isn’t the point. They’re all going through the same core situations, just different.
This was a great reaction and as a side note, I love your top, it's really cool. Watching your video, rewatching the scene where Spot enters the Mumbatton lab reactor room, I noticed something. As Spot heads to the main console, he teleports the staff out of the room, which could be something as simple as getting rid of distractions, but he seems strong enough that they wouldn't bother him. What if instead, he's doing it, so what happened to him doesn't happen to them, his experience projected onto others and saving them makes up for not being able to save himself. That could be a huge reach, but I do like to wonder about these things sometimes. Either way, again, great video!
When you remember the only character who shares his name in the comics is a minor one-off character in a foster home, the line "my family can't even look at me" hits harder because the visuals stay rooted on the other scientists, implying when he says family, he means them. His work colleagues were the closest to family he had. Now he doesn't even have that. To Miles, Dr. Ohn is just a guy in the background. But the reality is the guy in the background has a whole backstory to him none of us are aware of, complete with pain, loss and a whole lifetime of trying to find stability that got undone by someone else. And that someone else doesn't even remember they ruined your life.
I mean realistically, Spot may have exaggerated his fellow scientists laughing at him part. I say this because these are SCIENTISTS and not just some teens, and as it so happens Spot is an anomaly of SCIENCE. I would pivot more towards the notion of him being used as a guinea pig rather than anything else. His pain would then be based on him being used for scientific research and experiments.
I also like that he really reflects Milles's journey. He starts as a person barely able to control his powers and being seen as barely a threat only to become seriously powerful once he masters them. Just like Miles
The spot is so cool love how he turned scary each time we saw him.
And love your vids!!
One of my favorite quotes that is actually very insightful: For you, it was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday.
Thank you for discussing these things. I’m keen on psychology and astv at the same time and you encourage me to work more on my knowledge.
I love those characters and I relate to all of them at some point, sometimes unfortunately. I’ve had this “Spotty” phase for several years when I would be clowning all around and nobody would take me serious if I tried to be because of my awful social skills. It didn’t end well in the long perspective. My coping mechanism is not just humour - when I am stressed or uncomfortable I start acting silly all the time and it doesn’t help at all especially during exams or auditions or just important conversations. That’s probably one of the reasons I like Johnathan Onn so much.
Thank you again for this video, you did an incredible job🫶
The most funny thing about Spot is that he (adult) is demanding respect from a teenager. That is huge ask from kids at that age. And the way you can get it is like Hobbie being “cool” (aka “being comfortable in your skin and seeming like you have it together).
He doesn't know Miles is an adult though probably because of the whole Spider-*MAN* deal not Spider-*TEEN*.
@@derrickdaniels3955 Come on there's no way someone looks at Miles and hears him speak that they think he's an adult. Miles has always been known to be younger to the public. It's even that he's known as the Second Spider-Man...You know that everyone would assume is his son/younger brother/apprentice. There's no way that anyone falls for that fake voice.
@@derrickdaniels3955 but if he knows which spider bit him, he should know who Miles is (and him showing the future where Jeff dies due to his actions means he does)
@@flamesofchaos13 You have a point
@@NyikoDoris I suppose but id like to know exactly how he knows Miles identity. He would know the spider bit him because that's wide spread information about Spiderman at this point. There is literally a in universe comic book that explains Peters origin. What I don't get is how he knows it was Miles who got bit.
I loved the way he broke this down, and made Spot more of a sympathetic character. I loved this guy in the movie and I can't wait for what he'll do in Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse
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13:22 In Spot's first scene he mentions not being able to get a job, or anything of the type because of how he looks. (And also, he turned into The Spot in more or less a year and some months~ It was a time skip, so we did not see him trying to adapt to literally being a Black Hole.) So, in this gap of time, he might have tried to do good, or even seek out his close ones, but they didn't even want to look at him, that was probably another trauma for him, since if he was close to his family and they turned their back on him so fast, then that voice inside his head that tells him he's not enough, now has even more power.
Also, the way he refers to himself as ''This'' when he's confronting Miles at the Old Collider is really... sad? Like, it feels as if he doesn't see himself as being worthy of being called human. He just sees himself as ''that thing'', like when you tell somebody to ''grab that thing for me'', it's just a non important ''thing''.
Aaaand, in that entire year that Spot was out there, not once he went after Spider-Man. He just tried to live a 'normal life', but it wasn't working so he started to steal , theeen Miles showed up, made fun of him and everything snowballed. It feels like that bully from your childhood that traumatized you, and you see them in public, they are behind you in the line to scan your items at the store, but then all those memories start coming back and you confront them, just for them to hit you with the level of respect Miles showed Spot.
I think it might've been such a painful thing to go through, the transformation that is, while Miles' was smooth as butter. Spot on the other hand, had his entire body contorted and distorted into what he is now, in some concept arts there was a stage in-between what we saw in the movie and what he looked before the transformation, the stage at the middle was honestly horrifying to see.
Great video o/ ☺
I feel so bad for The Spot, and people still think he's a selfish idiot who is trying to put the blame in Miles, but they don't know that Miles disrespected The Spot and never apologized to him.
He wasn't even trying to attack Miles at first, he was only trying to confront him and get him to listen to his story, and Miles didn't even care. He was just a...guy, whose life was taken away by someone who doesn't care and doesn't wanna know what happened to him, and I hope he turns good
Also, what concept art are you talking about for his transformation scene?
I hope that Spot gets redeemed in the final movie, he’s clearly very traumatized and he hasn’t done anything permanently irredeemable yet, so there’s a chance he could improve and use his powers for good. The movie even shows that he has a sense of morality, given that he takes the time to teleport away all the scientists before he activates the collider so they wouldn’t get caught in the crossfire and be hurt.
Honestly i thought spot was one of the toughest villians spider man has had to face. It actually shows a capable Spot in the Disney+ Spiderman TV show. The TV show also features Miles and Gwen.
There's a deleted scene in the movie where the spot went to a bar full of spider-mans super villains and all the villains in that bar made fun of him
But the deleted scene is still in the movie at the scene where Miguel (spider-man 2099) was looking at the hollowgram
As the saying goes, "The axe forgets, but the tree remembers."
I can relate to using humor as a defense mechanism. I was heavily bullied in school and at some point started using dark humor to mask my own feelings. I was once fired from a boat manufacturing plant. I had a feeling before it happened that I was going to be fired. The foreman called me into his office and I looked at him and said "Should I sharpen the guillotine blade for you?" He had a confused look on his face and I said "I'm being fired right?". He said "yea". I said let's just make this quick and then left the factory.
My brother said that people like Spot were just blaming Miles for their own mistakes. And I replied, “Oh please? You think people like him will take responsibility for their own actions?”
right! he wants “credit” for “creating” Spider-man but hasn’t done the actual self evaluation to address that he did significant damage to another timeline and was part of threatening his own all in the service of a villain working for another villain… Miles didn’t put him in the collider, he did…
@@oforth uh no
I found the character ironically chilling. From the start he was a goofy, laughed at villain. But when he got more powerful, my goodness he was truly scary. The way he looked, the way he spoke, and what his plans are, we're terrifying. Especially of course for Miles. Spot reminds me of Abby from the Last Of Us 2. In that, we focus on the heroes who do heroic things. We never think of other people who are affected by the heroes actions. However, when Abbys dad got murdered she vowed for revenge. The same goes for spot. He was a victim of the collider incident and understandly (in a way) blames Miles.
The spot is my favorite eldritch horror
I loved this video, people rarely talk about just how screwed over The Spot really was. It wasn’t really anyone’s fault, the spot was just unlucky, and that’s an explanation that no one who lost their life likes to hear.
If I had one minor gripe with this video, it’s the idea that the spot could have used his powers for good. And while that is technically true, it should be noted that there was really no point for the spot to do so. He’s already dealing with the fact that he lost everything, he doesn’t have any money or family/friends to turn to, why would he suddenly decide to be a hero to compensate, it helps in now way whatsoever.
The spot even states at the start that he was forced into crime, sure the motive to be respected helped, but his ultimate motive initially was just to get some money to support himself since he couldn’t do anything else. Meeting Miles was NOT a part of the plan, he was shocked to see Miles just hanging right infront of him.
Seeing the cause of what he became (even if it wasn’t Miles’ fault) just dismissing him over and over changed his priorities from simply getting by to being respected, which spiraled into getting ultimate revenge of Miles. Keep in mind this happened within the span of like 3 hours. The spot wasn’t really thinking about of the consequences of his actions, fueled by a single minded hatred towards Miles for diminishing his feelings. If literally anyone actually took the time to genuinely listen and accept his feelings, then he probably wouldn’t have gone through with his twisted plan to be respected.
It should also be noted that The Spot DID try on multiple occasions to make genuine connections before his desire to be respected for twisted. It is heavily implied that he did try to turn to his friends and family when he became the spot, but they all turned him away. He even tried to genuinely talk about his feelings with (what he sees as) the ultimate cause of his pain, and is rejected repeatedly again.
Whether you can excuse his actions as a result of trauma and simple unluckiness, or condemn him for turning evil, ultimately what you should ask yourself is ‘what would I do in The Spot’s shoes’. I personally believe that I wouldn’t be able to handle the isolation and trauma The Spot went through. Have you ever considered how it would feel to have your atoms ripped apart to become an unhuman entity? The pain would have been unimaginable.
Loved his character ⚫️ . His dialogue with Miles was fantastic.
I think the Spot is what Electro was TRYING to be in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. It's interesting because we DO spend more time with Electro as a person than we do with Spot, but the transformation to villainy and obsession with Spider-Man was absolutely fumbled. Here, I think it works, because we only see him AFTER he became who he is now.
We get the backstory sure, but we spend more time with him as Spot than who he used to be and we see that even after his accident, he WANTS to be something more than what he is to Miles: a joke. He's a villain who has a want that actually kind of makes sense. Problem is he's going all about the wrong ways to get that want. Spot is MORE than JUST the bad guy. There's layers to him. The hero is only as good as the villain. The Spot was right in a sense.
Wait i totally forgot that the spot was so broken lol he got overshadowed by the other traumatic characters.
This movie is so freakin' good. I think it's a testament to the quality of the writing that you've gotten enough material for several videos out of it!
I really hope the next movie is not just gonna be POW POW POW KILL THE VILLAIN, because Spot's arc could be so great. Im positive the writers have skmething amazing in agore for him.
When the Spot finally gone powerful there's no way to stop him
Great video, Georgia. You're right. A lot of the pain within is hidden from others, especially with the stigma. And I agree 100% about the importance of being sensitive of others' feelings, especially when they feel hurt by what one says.
I 100% agree that we should be taught in schools about interpersonal communications. It's crucial for life.
That's so true that humor is used to deal with pain and reduce tension. (And that's true that it can hurt people too). It goes back to your point about being sensitive.
I feel for Spot too. I didn't think about it at the beginning, but the more I think about him, the more I felt for him.
Excellent point about the buckets we carry. It can be hard to open up, so I can see why sometimes, how we actually feel and how we express our needs can be done in a much more subtle way/a way that can only be detected by reading between the lines (or focusing on how it may be different than how one usually responds). I agree that such validation and really listening is so important too. I agree also about how important internal validation and introspection are also. Great analysis, Georgia.
"It's the gift that we hope someone else will fill, but it's the gift we need to give to ourselves." - Yes. That's so true. I too have found that internal validation is much more sustainable than external validation (which is also helpful, but yeah, definitely not sustainable on its own).
You're right that Miles didn't listen and that his jokes just made things worse. Good point about how our perceptions can skew our reality, especially when there's pain and embarrassment. I feel even more for Spot as well. He's so well written.
I agree that Spot has been buried in pain and anger and, going back to what you said, it's skewed his reality. The depth of his pain is so deep.
Great point about how avoidance doesn't help. It worsens the pain.
Hehehe I like your pun.
I agree. His character arc is excellent. It is well done.
Great costplay!
Wonderful video!!
I like to see his initial defeat as a metaphor for rage and feeling entitled to attention causing self-sabatoge and ultimately making you look like a fool.
20:00 Spot- "someone really really sweet" he was a ARMED scientist henchman(in a lunch room) chasing spiderman of their own choice. Kingpin didn't order any of them to do that.
don't agree with that line of thought. (needed more space)
Absolutely LOVE your choice of style with each individual topic, it's such a nice touch to the overall theme of each character ❤
This is great. I thought Spots motivation for doing what he's doing was very interesting and not something a lot of people noticed or talked about.
They keep thinking he's a joke not a threat, They keep thinking Miles isn't real enough doesn't matter. Oh how wrong they're and oh golly I can't wait to see them truly suffer for their/his arrogance.
This is another great video, I see myself in Spot as well as Gwen.
Thank you for making the content that you make with your observations as being a psychotherapist.
Sheeeesh that line about the phone was something I didn’t notice either time I watched. This movie such a great script. A good take at what alienation can lead to
I'd be really interested on your take on the idea of canon in the movies and how it touches on comparative mythology in how the stories that formed and permeate our cultures across the world are both important and in a lot of cases seemingly resemble each other independently across cultures, like the raven stealing fire for man in Native Americans Stories, and Prometheus in Greek doing the same.
One of Spots lines that strikes me during the Mumbatten fight is about how he wants to fill the hole inside him with “more holes”. It acts as a metaphor to how his new obsession with being Miles arch enemy is only plunging him deeper into this harmful mindset, this hole to speak of.
He looks like the invisible man if he was obsessed with Dalmatians.
His pose when he introduces himself to Spider-Man in the beginning and how he appears in the end is telling
Would you agree that spot and Miguel are kind of similar in the way that they’re both so single minded on what they believe in like Miguel is honestly the Spider-Man equivalent of spot because he won’t accept the change or idea that the canon events can be changed all because of his own trauma and grief
Reminds me of mysterious in Spider-Man far from home when he’s talking about b.a.r.f. And when he remembers it everyone laughs but when we see it in civil war nobody does
Great Friday analysis as usual love the shirt.
Much appreciated!
@@GeorgiaDow Don’t mention it keep these videos coming !
That shirt is so great, did you make it yourself?
I feel *so bad* for Spot!🤍🖤
*Movie-spolier-question:* Wonder if you're going to react to the final "villain" reveal of the movie, _Prowler Miles._ A lot of people could bring up the whole "losing a parent trauma" or the "kid supporting family has to grow up too fast", but all the arguments I've heard presuppose that Prowler is a villain. Sure the movie makes it look like Miles is going to have to fight his "evil" counterpart, but if he'd stop and think about it _Prowler_ is just doing what Miles would do - protect his family. The audience is making an assumption that this is _Miles-gone-bad,_ but it isn't, this is _Miles_ - having already lost a parent, seeing a doppleganger interact with _Miles'_ remaining family - which prompts _him_ to address the threat.
Can I just take a moment to appreciate Georgia's clothes in every video? She nails the cosplay every time and it's fascinating to see.
Why doesn't Miles' father recognize Miles' voice when he is in his Spider-man suit? I know it's a common comic book trope (like how no one realizes Clark Kent is Superman) but is there an actual psychological reason for this?
Thank you so much Georgia 🙂 amazing ..this episode reminds me about the Joker.. each one of them would become a nice series for u to give us ur amazing insights 😊
You're so welcome! and yes it is true
The first time he appeared was in the amazing Spiderman TV show, it sad he had a wife. When he got his powers he was a bank robber then his spots got out of control and he had to sacrifice himself to save the world and the one he loved. It's nice to see him back
Hopefully he sacrifices himself again in the last movie bro
Yeah, hopefully
I was hoping you'd do a video on Spot, I love him so much
Loving your costume choices they always match the characters you talk about 👌🏽
16:53 puns..... puns are healing.
Jonathan Ohnn got hit by a bagel and blamed it Miles during the escape
What was that famous line bison said? That sums up Spider-Man and spot
"But for me, it was Tuesday..."
The biggest thing that I noticed is that with his final transformation, he looks similar to Miles' suit, black base with white decals and a small amount of color. If he can't be respected by him, he can be better than him.
Ok, lovin’ the spot shirt
He plans to get his life back the way it was to gain respect terrorizing the Morales family Miles failed to stop him
The spot is unironically my new favourite Marvel villain.😅
2:37
That's ironically how Spiderman works.
I appreciate your spot shirt! I always appreciate that you dress up like the characters.
We don’t know how or why Spot originally ended up as a scientist working on the collider. However like Miguel, he shouldn’t blame Miles for his situation. If anything Doc Oc or King Pin are responsible for the collider.
I’ll be interested to see what happens to him and the other characters in the next movie (with better staff treatment)!
Edit: It was a mistake for Miles to underestimate and belittle him though.
Pretty lady shares mad therapy facts about my favorite medias? SO subscribing
6:40 reminds me of the infamous villain quote from Street Fighter's M.Bison iyjyk
I extremely love spot he is my favorite character in the hole movie and I don't find him scary instead I find him adorable. I extremely feel bad for him I even cried watching this, I adore spot and I feel almost the same thing like him, people don't pay attention to me and I end up being a lonelyer😐
Now that I think about it, there's shades of this in the Centipede and Fire Saga as well. Candi doesn't care about Drop-In at first. She's not even all that concerned with Lava Tigre at first. It's only when her half-brother weaponizes the system against her, and one misunderstanding by police results in her getting arrested at the exact moment that the Hebbleskins take her entire small town hostage and then put another force field around it, and she knows that her not going home immediately after school like her caretakers hoped she would could now doom her town and everyone she cares about, that she suddenly understands the gravity of her mistake.
Even then, she doesn't really care if she ends up in juvie. As depressed and demoralized as she is by what's happening to the world around her, and how she feels like she's one of the few doing anything about it, as long as she fixes her mistake and secures her town against the Hebbleskins, she no longer cares if she gets locked up afterward, not even if the reason her half brother gives makes even less sense than some of the Trump indictments. The way she sees it, getting railroaded could be a way to taxpayer funded therapy, which would allow her to get the counseling she's needed since she was raped in middle school, but which her family has denied her. So even jail doesn't bother her. The only thing she cares about, is that her sister and boyfriend could get hurt with her gone.
Then, she winds up getting antagonized by Amirah. And can't understand why anything about her causes Amirah to feel so annoyed as to feel it necessary to antagonize her.
So getting annoyed back, she entertains a playful rivalry, having fun with making Amirah and her gang face constant humiliation as their attempts to hurt her keep backfiring.
Again, because her sister and boyfriend are all she cares about.
Then again, Drop-In doesn't even think anything about her, and doesn't know anything about Candi being Ciem. He doesn't care. He had a job to do with attacking the police convoy, and it was just an assignment. Ciem damaging his jetpack and forcing him to retreat was nothing but an occupational hazard.
Then, after getting a lecture from some staff at Madison, Candi notices them not practice what they preach in regards to how they treat Amirah. So she begins snooping around.
She discovers that officer Lonny Factor is Drop-In, and also a sadist who's been doing horrible sexual things to Amirah, and drugging her so she couldn't fight back, and perfected the art of getting away with it.
So Candi finally shows some humility, and offers to help Amirah and the Sparks of Vengeance to expose Factor as Drop-In. She also learns of what turned Amirah into Flintirah, and inspires Amirah to prove that she can be more than just some pyromancer villain, as the juvenile court framed her to be.
However, after Drop-In, his real motives, and his lust and lust for power over Amirah are exposed, and staff are forced to admit they have a sexual predator in their midst, another Hebbleskin plant guard tips Factor off, before quickly resigning to avoid herself being exposed.
Drop-In realizes that he's now under investigation for sexual misconduct with an incarcerated minor, has lost his job, and lost his access to his slave. He figures out Candi is Ciem, and swears revenge against her for ruining his perfect little ruse. Suddenly, he almost entirely forgets about Amirah, because getting revenge on Candi for ruining his fun is all that matters.
And it's in that moment that Candi realizes all the harm her new nemesis has caused, that she never even noticed before, because of her own small-minded focus on only herself and her family and her boyfriend.
Some time later, Korsicht attacks the facility. Candi has lost almost everything, and the warden becomes like a father to her. At first, Korsicht means nothing to Candi, he's just another Triumvirate thug. Even his scary magic volcano-mancy necklace doesn't threaten her that much.
As for killing her new friends? Standard occupational hazard. But when she tries defending guards and inmates alike, rather than run away when she has the chance to escape, she violates all of Korsicht's models on juvenile delinquent behavior. He notes how she got railroaded into prison.
And unlike Candi, he makes no distinction between the corrupt officials that put her there, and the jobbers put in charge of keeping her there. He can't fathom why she'd forgive and protect the system that betrayed and oppressed her, so her existence becomes offensive to him, enough to threaten everyone she cares about, and then kidnap the warden in order to challenge her to prove herself.
His mocking the idea of familial love, something he'd never truly known, is what finally makes his challenge personal enough to her sense of principles, that she takes him up on his challenge, and travels to Cincinnati under furlough to rescue the warden, even if just to prove to Korsicht which of them actually does have the moral high ground. (And win back the only father figure she has left.)
At that point, she doesn't care if succeeding means going right back to prison. She only knows that she can't let Korsicht win, lest his character models drive him to not only hurt her loved ones, but millions more, due to his callousness.
Any flippant attitude she had before is completely gone by the Caldera timeline. From there, she's almost overwhelmed with anxiety. She doesn't need anything to explain to her why she should care about what Quoll is doing. But she is frustrated at not being able to immediately deduce his endgame, as the time she is being forced to waste on all his diversions will cost lives. (But not addressing them will also cost lives.)
At that point, Quoll is just some vain jobber for the Hebbleskins, but has masqueraded his true assignment behind a large wall of misdirections. He prides himself in filming Candi's visible confusion at not understanding why he's planting so many traps, and why she has to fight all these battles. Or the sense in his endangering lives. Meanwhile, as she becomes worn down by failure to connect the dots, he revels in the validation he gets from her confusion.
Quoll's desperation toward the end isn't even motivated so much by Candi's persistence, or gradually figuring out his endgame. What really irritates him, was that he failed to account for Tanya Woven undermining him.
Candi is finally released back to her home town after being locked up for over two years, and is truly humbled. For in spite all her small victories, her world is still falling to pieces. Other heroes have failed, and she now gets to inherit the fallout of their failures.
Thanks for sharing. I appreciate the insight on humor. Blessings on your day!
I think it would be cool if you cover someone like ban from seven deadly sins. He's a fun character because he is very joyful and playful in the way he acts. But he uses it as a cover for his traumas. Both him and miliodas cover their grief similarly but they handle it internally a lot differently. The series begins to suck after season 1 but the entire premise of the show and the characters within them would be some seriously good material for you to make a video.
I would love to see your thoughts on Miles' parents
Rio = Best Mom. As someone that had an abusive mother it's both heartwarming and heartbreaking. Jeff = Flawed but Fair father that would do anything for his son...Anything. The tragedy is that if Miles had told them the truth...Nothing would change at all. Unlike George they would never condemn him and would support him unconditionally.
Further tragedy is if they knew about the canon events...They would willingly die for him, his future and the world without hesitation. Jeff's a cop...Everyday on the job is him risking his life willingly to serve others. Jeff and Rio are parents that show unconditional love towards Miles...There's no way they would ever accept Miles risking his own life and suffering immensely because of them because of what they said. I'm sure Rio would blame herself for Miles trying to break the canon, That Jeff would blame himself for not teaching Miles that it's their job to die for him not the other way around. Whether Miles would listen or argue that this love goes both ways...Don't know.
If they knew the entire story that we know about Miles and Gwen...They would 100% ask Miles to forgive her because at least Rio knows for a fact they're meant for each other and would embrace Gwen into their family with no reservation. Gwiles is probably a lot like Young Rio and Jeff...Rio being fearful of Gwen hurting Miles because she reminds her of herself (there's all these themes of projection from adults to kids). I bet everything I have that Rio and Jeff also only got together (that Miles only exists) because of Uncle Aaron and his shoulder touch magic advice.
@@flamesofchaos13 I love them so much. They’re so loving but flawed. And even in their flaws, you see they come from a place of love not maliciousness
@@NyikoDoris Yep. There's also the plot element that they haven't indicated yet...Rio, Jeff, Aaron and Miguel O'Hara were all from broken homes where their parents physically and mentally abused them. The love that Rio and Jeff have for Miles is born of trauma they endured...Their own "Canon Events". To make sure what Rio and Jeff went through didn't happen for nothing...To prevent what they suffered in youth they must show Miles what they were never given unconditional love.
While the reason that Miguel and Aaron became darker...Is because they couldn't handle that trauma they never found a productive and healthy means for it to mean something. Never built a family of their own sinking deeper into regret.
But the difference is that Aaron never lost sight of family matters most...He took the brunt of the abuse from Miles grandfather to protect Jeff and he always wanted to remain part of the family it was Jeff that pushed him away when he found out he was the Prowler. In short the same kind of rejection that Gwen was given but even worse.
I would love if you could cover someone like Goku Black/ Zamasu from Dragon Ball Super or Pain from Naruto, or just Naruto, Ichigo, Luffy, Goku etc
I didn't know people actually say "But they should just know.". It sounds like a thing that only makes sense in a joke.
A kind word need not cost much,
The price of praise can be cheap:
With half a loaf and an empty cup
I found myself a friend
A great analysis of the character. I never even knew of this villain, but I found out that he is a small time villain, a joke villain. It is amazing how they made him completely dangerous and outright horrifying in a aldritch god kind of way. Another thing to mention is how amazing the writers changed a background character into a major character.
Also, do you have clothes for any kind of character? Is there no character that you don't have clothes for?
This video kind of hit me really hard 🥲 like really hard.
i love his theme
Can you break down nightmare before Christmas for the holidays?
Great sweater choice
Thank you!
For me the thought is more of a I don't wish to impose what I want onto someone
I feel the Spot is blaming Miles for his own mistakes. Working for the Kingpin of Crime. Taking blood money from corrupt businessman. Working with highly dangerous technology. All these scientists knew that there were consequences to what they were doing and did it anyway.
Was Miles wrong to make fun of Spot. No. He's a criminal robbing an ATM. That doesn't scream. Respect me.
Exactly, dude was projecting, the lack of self awareness. No one told you to work on a collider that was making black hole in NY, you did that all to yourself, you're just looking for a scapegoat now.
Miles was wrong to make fun of him. It's easy to say everything's funny when you're not the target of the joke about your existence being invalid. But yes the Spot just like Miguel is scapegoating Miles, projecting on Miles, condemning Miles for things out of his control and even because of things that they personally did wrong.
@@flamesofchaos13 Miles is also 15/16 and simply doesn’t realize just how hurt Spot was by him. It’s not malicious, it’s him seeing first half of the movie Spot the way we do
@@NyikoDoris Yeah none of them intend to be malicious with their jokes and quips...It's a coping mechanism the majority of Spiders have. They just need to learn...It's not always the right time to do so. This was exactly the worst time to do so...Coming from the Spider that is usually the most empathetic of the lot.
Yeah what happened to spot wasn't mile fault. It was just bad luck, wrong time wrong place. And it's not the powers that make him spiderman it's what he decides to do with those powers... Insert uncle Ben speech here. Spots just refusing to hold himself accountable for his own actions.
Daim I never though of a spot that way
Please play some Baldur's Gate 3! There's so much depth to some of the NPCs that i can honestly say i have been able to explore thoroughly because of your videos!