No better explanation on the internet. Nate is a very calm and knowledgeable person that's easy to learn from. We've disagreed on a couple things and have had extremely calm and productive conversations about it. It was an honor and privilege to donate to his shop and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. The edit is to say that if you have a question and email him he WILL get back to you despite how busy he is, and I'm my opinion that shows that he really does care about the archery community
Can't believe I just ordered my first compound bow...top archery compound bow is what it's listed as from Amazon. I hope I'm not disappointed... Wish there was video reviews but, I can't find any. But yea, I'm excited...👍👍👍
I’ve been shooting a bow for many years and have been setting up my own bows in most part and I will have to say that you do a lot of stuff differently with your setups. For instance I’ve never set up my bow and just threw on a whisker biscuit to shoot a bunch of arrows to settle the strings or even shoot without a peep to get my pins set first. I like those ideas. It goes to show that archery is always a learning process. This is a really good video. You got in depth with this set up and was really clear with what you done and why. Good job.
Great video, I just bought a new bow (hopefully gets here tomorrow) and I have been watching loads of videos trying to learn all this stuff so I can set it up myself. Your video is probably the most in depth one I’ve seen and you touched on some things that none of the other ones even thought to mention. Keep up the good work, I’m learning a lot from you.
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
I use the rubber band to get the peep height too. After trying various peep sizes.. I went too small and reamed out to the desired size. I also sharpie mark my peep and cam position just so I can tell at an instant if anything has moved. I have never had a shop tune or setup my bows. I learned how to do it myself.
I would like to know why everyone uses half hitches on D loops? I've used clench knots and the only difference seems to be the clench sets easier and lines up with the string better. Am I missing something, does the clench knot get to tight? Just wondering if there is explanation to support using one knot over the other. I've tried both can't tell a difference shooting. I use the half hitch only because everyone else uses it.
Thank you 🙏🏻 very much Mr. Sellers on taking us to Bow Tech class today. Once my wife and I get out of an apartment and into a house 🏡 with hopefully a garage or a walk in basement that I can use as a shop, I definitely want to be able to set up our bows, build arrows etc… so this is helpful. I like the rubber band trick for figuring out the peep placement. My new bow doesn’t have an anchor aid like a kisser button, but I was thinking 🤔 of adding the Bowmar nose 👃 button to make sure that I don’t apply to much face pressure. I just put on a two piece quiver from PRIME for my PRIME Black 3, it’s heavy duty stainless steel. So I may have to add a back bar, especially if I want to take it out west. Thank you 🙏🏻 again for sharing your wealth of information. 🏹🦌
I made a "holder press" to go along with my Bowmaster press. 2x6s glued and screwed together, holes bored through and placed on a 1" pipe along with a pipe clamp. I can let the limbs all the way out.
Anyone else get pressure point on first knuckle of thumb (closest to palm) hold the Athens? What did you do to relieve it? There doesn't seem to be any grip options like on Matthews.
@@TheMetalLife666 lol as in I took my bow apart and have no idea why it makes the grinding sound when I draw, or I shot my bow without an arrow on accident, should be good to just keep going. Lol
Have to have a point of reference from which to check timing. I.e. a dloop. So I always install them first as shown in the video before I do anything else.
Nice video👍 Great information and reminders on how to setup a bow. Even if the local shop does it initially, if you ever need to work on the bow in the field or a quick change at home, there's a lot you can do on your own.
the archery shop told me that 8th of an inch from the center of Berger hole on a single cam bow is incorrect when I mentioned it to them. I'm using a nap quick tune 800 arrow rest 2000 Hoyt Magnatech bow single cam bow . they have it to where no part of the arrow is covering it i told them what you are saying in this video they said that was incorrect are they wrong?
Nate, you say to align (initially) your peep with your 20 yard pin... I was looking at my bow today and my peep vs 20 yard pin are way off. Bow shoots fine, but does that mean something was not aligned originally correctly?
one thing im trying to figure out is the guys that set mine up have my whisker biscuit so low the fletchings drag on the shelf and hit my finger when releasing. as well as my thumb rubs on the rest itself.. they tell me its because thats where it needs to be so the center of the bisquit is centered on the Berger hole. is this correct? i find it hard to believe that my arrows have to drag the shelf and hit my finger to shoot properly. any help is appreciated
Get yourself a tsquare. Well worth the $15 investment and check into it yourself. Bowtech has the lowest berger holes in the industry but even then they're not even that low.
Maybe you can help me with my compact bow i'm really having a problem on putting my string on it and its so confusing because there are many ways to put on the string but none seems to work. Please help me i will post a video of my bow in my page so you can verify and instruct me to how to properly install the compact bow string.
So i heard the elite ember is a tri track system? So what does that mean? Does this video show how to tune any type of compound bow or just a certain type?
So, I am used to setting center shot, and fine tuning with the yolks. Since the Athens have a cam system without yolks, how do you go about fine tuning your left and right tears beside shimming for larger tears?
@@averagejackarchery Thanks for the quick response. I was guessing that was the only way, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. The Vista 33 is very intriguing!
Can you use the bow master portable press on a pse evl 32? I know it needs the adapter for split limbs but wasn’t sure about the new wider limb pockets.
I have a ten year left handed one cam diamond stud . It tears nock low right about an inch no matter what I do. It does have some top idler lean ,could that be my issue
IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME... When you have a "Binary Cam Sys," The string has been stretched, Both Cams are Exactly the same in their rotation when the string is at rest... That the Nocking point/D-Loop will be at the center or middle of the string when folded or where the string length is divided by 2? For example: if the string length is 50, the nocking point/d-loop will be at 25?
I have never setup a bow with the "center of the string" mentality. I actually have a video on the topic debunking the myth. Riser geometry has a much bigger role in nocking point location than the string and cam style.
@@averagejackarchery Its just... well... Ok so Ive watched many videos on many archery technical topics, How to, When to What to etc. Youre channel seems to be one if, if not The, channel I tend to understand and absorb more from but even here sometimes I feel like I wana say, "Oh Come On! I think ya'll are over thinking it." It all seems pretty straight forward but i dont know. Maybe Im underthinking it. After all this is just a hobby for me.
Hi Jack! I'm not an archer, but I really like your videos, quality content and pro presentation, I think slowly time to buy my first compound bow... Bear bow company is good?
WRT installing the sight and peep position - I didn't fully get what you were saying about tying in the peep differently for those planning to shoot longer distances or using a slider sight. Should the peep be slightly higher for those people?
If you scope is set lower (i.e. you're trying to reach further shot distances) you peep will usually be set lower to help accommodate that. Then, when the scope gets move up for those shorter shot, you have to "bear down" into the peep a little bit to fudge the anchor point to see through it. But this is truly for those wanting to push 70-100 yards on the norm. Most guys can setup their bows to shoot 20-60 with a peep set to a 30 yard area with the scope and cover to 60 no problem.
@@averagejackarchery what is your opinion on the small metal bow string separators for putting in a peep. Do you still need to press the bow to use them? Sorry if dumb question. Looking to start doing all my own work.
@@davidwatkins6575 I wouldn't touch one with a 10ft pole. Bows of today are under way much more tension at brace than when those string splitters were ideally used. Don't use them on a bow made after 2000.
SAE is pretty standard across the industry. Everything I did here was basic SAE. Although every now and then you'll run into a metric bolt, but it's not common.
Y'all listen to this man! He's forgot more about bows than most people will ever know. Setup and tuning is really simple...people make it hard. And remember...shoot your bow about 100 times before you get to a permanent tune. Why? Because strings stretch.
No better explanation on the internet. Nate is a very calm and knowledgeable person that's easy to learn from. We've disagreed on a couple things and have had extremely calm and productive conversations about it. It was an honor and privilege to donate to his shop and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
The edit is to say that if you have a question and email him he WILL get back to you despite how busy he is, and I'm my opinion that shows that he really does care about the archery community
Bob Ross of archery vibes
Yep!! We only make happy mistakes! 😆
Can't believe I just ordered my first compound bow...top archery compound bow is what it's listed as from Amazon. I hope I'm not disappointed... Wish there was video reviews but, I can't find any. But yea, I'm excited...👍👍👍
I’ve been shooting a bow for many years and have been setting up my own bows in most part and I will have to say that you do a lot of stuff differently with your setups. For instance I’ve never set up my bow and just threw on a whisker biscuit to shoot a bunch of arrows to settle the strings or even shoot without a peep to get my pins set first. I like those ideas. It goes to show that archery is always a learning process. This is a really good video. You got in depth with this set up and was really clear with what you done and why. Good job.
Great video, I just bought a new bow (hopefully gets here tomorrow) and I have been watching loads of videos trying to learn all this stuff so I can set it up myself. Your video is probably the most in depth one I’ve seen and you touched on some things that none of the other ones even thought to mention. Keep up the good work, I’m learning a lot from you.
Best in depth setup video in a long time!
What a great vid, thank you. Awaiting arrival of new bow tomorrow. Ill be revisiting this vid again :)
Thanks for this. Just picked up a helix ultra and setting up at house and then spending the time at the shop to fine tune was the way. Thanks man.
Glad I could help!
Thank you For video. set my own d loop for the first time and got it paper tuned in 4 shots. Awesome channel.
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
I use the rubber band to get the peep height too.
After trying various peep sizes.. I went too small and reamed out to the desired size.
I also sharpie mark my peep and cam position just so I can tell at an instant if anything has moved.
I have never had a shop tune or setup my bows. I learned how to do it myself.
Thanks for the sharpie tip.
You're a beast dude. Thanks for the professional help!
Nice! I would love to see you go through timing adjustments.
I would like to know why everyone uses half hitches on D loops? I've used clench knots and the only difference seems to be the clench sets easier and lines up with the string better. Am I missing something, does the clench knot get to tight? Just wondering if there is explanation to support using one knot over the other. I've tried both can't tell a difference shooting. I use the half hitch only because everyone else uses it.
I've ordered a pretty decent compound bow on amazon. Does the bow string come ready set up? I wouldn't have a clue otherwise...
Awesome video. Great explanation and very easy to understand. Thanks for this kind of content.
Thank you 🙏🏻 very much Mr. Sellers on taking us to Bow Tech class today. Once my wife and I get out of an apartment and into a house 🏡 with hopefully a garage or a walk in basement that I can use as a shop, I definitely want to be able to set up our bows, build arrows etc… so this is helpful.
I like the rubber band trick for figuring out the peep placement. My new bow doesn’t have an anchor aid like a kisser button, but I was thinking 🤔 of adding the Bowmar nose 👃 button to make sure that I don’t apply to much face pressure.
I just put on a two piece quiver from PRIME for my PRIME Black 3, it’s heavy duty stainless steel. So I may have to add a back bar, especially if I want to take it out west.
Thank you 🙏🏻 again for sharing your wealth of information. 🏹🦌
great idea to try a "nose button" like it better then a peep for regular shooting and hunting....
I would love to see a detailed setup video like this with a Prime Inline. They love a high nocking point.
I made a "holder press" to go along with my Bowmaster press. 2x6s glued and screwed together, holes bored through and placed on a 1" pipe along with a pipe clamp. I can let the limbs all the way out.
Thanks for the info, Nate!! I like the advice you offer!! It is top notch!
Excellent D loop and knot tying demonstration.
Thank you very much for your detail explanation .I learn something new from your video.
Really good block of instruction
Thanks for your help. This video is very helpful. Do you have a video on how to install a new string and cable set?
th-cam.com/video/sbjsRRbJsoA/w-d-xo.html Yup!
Anyone else get pressure point on first knuckle of thumb (closest to palm) hold the Athens? What did you do to relieve it? There doesn't seem to be any grip options like on Matthews.
Thanks bro this video really helped i learned so much
Awesome vid! Love how you explain everything so well. Thank you
Great stuff man. I always encourage people to work on bows themselves, but if you get into the weeds the first place you should go is a pro shop!
Getting into the weeds as brand new to archery, or as in literal weeds? I just ordered my bow today and can’t wait to pick it up!
@@TheMetalLife666 lol as in I took my bow apart and have no idea why it makes the grinding sound when I draw, or I shot my bow without an arrow on accident, should be good to just keep going. Lol
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors oh no. Best of luck to you on getting it back to 110% lol!
Should you check cam timing before setting up the knock points and D loop?
Have to have a point of reference from which to check timing. I.e. a dloop. So I always install them first as shown in the video before I do anything else.
Great straight forward informative videos. Tank you. Keep them coming.
Nice video👍 Great information and reminders on how to setup a bow. Even if the local shop does it initially, if you ever need to work on the bow in the field or a quick change at home, there's a lot you can do on your own.
Very well done! Appreciated...
Just fantastic.
How about a video about how to let down? Especially with a handheld.
Thumb away from the button and reverse what you did to draw.
No vid needed
How do I know where the product bought from?
the archery shop told me that 8th of an inch from the center of Berger hole on a single cam bow is incorrect when I mentioned it to them. I'm using a nap quick tune 800 arrow rest 2000 Hoyt Magnatech bow single cam bow . they have it to where no part of the arrow is covering it i told them what you are saying in this video they said that was incorrect are they wrong?
Nate, you say to align (initially) your peep with your 20 yard pin... I was looking at my bow today and my peep vs 20 yard pin are way off. Bow shoots fine, but does that mean something was not aligned originally correctly?
one thing im trying to figure out is the guys that set mine up have my whisker biscuit so low the fletchings drag on the shelf and hit my finger when releasing. as well as my thumb rubs on the rest itself.. they tell me its because thats where it needs to be so the center of the bisquit is centered on the Berger hole. is this correct? i find it hard to believe that my arrows have to drag the shelf and hit my finger to shoot properly. any help is appreciated
Get yourself a tsquare. Well worth the $15 investment and check into it yourself. Bowtech has the lowest berger holes in the industry but even then they're not even that low.
Maybe you can help me with my compact bow i'm really having a problem on putting my string on it and its so confusing because there are many ways to put on the string but none seems to work. Please help me i will post a video of my bow in my page so you can verify and instruct me to how to properly install the compact bow string.
I just purchased a bear adapt + and was wondering for this single cam bow. Can I adjust it at home without a press for draw length and draw weight?
Absolutely. th-cam.com/video/wzRxVRzke4s/w-d-xo.html
Thanks...do I need a press to adjust the draw weight? If not, do you have a video showing how to do it that would be helpful?
So i heard the elite ember is a tri track system? So what does that mean? Does this video show how to tune any type of compound bow or just a certain type?
The Ember is a dual cam bow with yokes, not a tri track system. As the title of the video says: setup ANY bow.
I am interested in the site light, I did not see a link. Can you please put a link to the site light.
Google Illumapin sight light
Hey. Bow strings on a mathews or a hoyt thats new. Would you recommend changing out strings and cables?
Nope. Shoot them until they need replaced, then replace them!
@@averagejackarchery Thanks man. Appreciate you!
Great video!
So, I am used to setting center shot, and fine tuning with the yolks. Since the Athens have a cam system without yolks, how do you go about fine tuning your left and right tears beside shimming for larger tears?
Rest movement! Just like any other current bow from Hoyt, Mathews, Prime, or Athens.
@@averagejackarchery Thanks for the quick response. I was guessing that was the only way, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. The Vista 33 is very intriguing!
Can you use the bow master portable press on a pse evl 32? I know it needs the adapter for split limbs but wasn’t sure about the new wider limb pockets.
That's a great question and I have no idea! :/
I have a ten year left handed one cam diamond stud . It tears nock low right about an inch no matter what I do. It does have some top idler lean ,could that be my issue
Get height figured out first. Gotta get that nock travel to be level.
IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME...
When you have a "Binary Cam Sys,"
The string has been stretched,
Both Cams are Exactly the same in their rotation when the string is at rest...
That the Nocking point/D-Loop will be at the center or middle of the string when folded or where the string length is divided by 2?
For example: if the string length is 50, the nocking point/d-loop will be at 25?
I have never setup a bow with the "center of the string" mentality. I actually have a video on the topic debunking the myth. Riser geometry has a much bigger role in nocking point location than the string and cam style.
@@averagejackarchery Its just... well...
Ok so Ive watched many videos on many archery technical topics, How to, When to What to etc. Youre channel seems to be one if, if not The, channel I tend to understand and absorb more from but even here sometimes I feel like I wana say, "Oh Come On! I think ya'll are over thinking it."
It all seems pretty straight forward but i dont know. Maybe Im underthinking it. After all this is just a hobby for me.
Hi Jack!
I'm not an archer, but I really like your videos, quality content and pro presentation, I think slowly time to buy my first compound bow...
Bear bow company is good?
Yup! They're great!
@@averagejackarchery Hi!! Thank you for your reply!
I sent you a message on Instagram. I think I found the good one.
Kind regards Robert
WRT installing the sight and peep position - I didn't fully get what you were saying about tying in the peep differently for those planning to shoot longer distances or using a slider sight. Should the peep be slightly higher for those people?
If you scope is set lower (i.e. you're trying to reach further shot distances) you peep will usually be set lower to help accommodate that. Then, when the scope gets move up for those shorter shot, you have to "bear down" into the peep a little bit to fudge the anchor point to see through it. But this is truly for those wanting to push 70-100 yards on the norm. Most guys can setup their bows to shoot 20-60 with a peep set to a 30 yard area with the scope and cover to 60 no problem.
What's a "budget" way of installing a pip sight without a bow press? Would you recommend those portable bow press things?
Yup! Synum is the best overall. If your manufacturer is okay with it, go for it.
@@averagejackarchery oh, how would I check it the manufacturer is ok with it? I have a diamond, bowtech and obsession
I use a bow master on my bows.
It's a very good investment.
@@averagejackarchery what is your opinion on the small metal bow string separators for putting in a peep. Do you still need to press the bow to use them? Sorry if dumb question. Looking to start doing all my own work.
@@davidwatkins6575 I wouldn't touch one with a 10ft pole. Bows of today are under way much more tension at brace than when those string splitters were ideally used. Don't use them on a bow made after 2000.
boy you know your shit man
Man thank you
Hi AJA, are the allen keys metric or inch keys?
SAE is pretty standard across the industry. Everything I did here was basic SAE. Although every now and then you'll run into a metric bolt, but it's not common.
“Lizard tail” 🤣
LOL. I facepalmed so hard in editing. Oh well. 🤦
Can you give me a clear address, can you send me a cable for the serial numbered spring?
Y'all listen to this man! He's forgot more about bows than most people will ever know.
Setup and tuning is really simple...people make it hard.
And remember...shoot your bow about 100 times before you get to a permanent tune. Why? Because strings stretch.
I disagree. It’s not easy. I guess I’m just too slow huh.