As a man, I find shopping for pants to be a major headache most times. I can’t rely on the labels to quickly find my size, since there’s no consistency from brand to brand. I can be anywhere from a 34 to a 38, which is very confusing and wastes a decent amount of time. And yes, if I’m at a store that tells me I’m a 38, it does make me feel worse!
Cant understand this really. It doesnt bother me at all which size the clothes have i wear. Why does anyone care? Its just some stupid numbers... A short look in the mirror and you know if youre overweight or not ^^
PP Even if you’re not overweight it’s still a huge frustration. I hate shopping because it just takes too long to find the right fit because nothing is ever what the label says
@@JonesP77 They care because they're insecure. You're right, a short look in the mirror logically tells you if you are or not, but it's a psychological issue, if only it were as simple as rationalizing it.
I hate vanity sizing. Picking clothes would be much easier. Instead of wonering how can 34 pants be too toght in one store and too large in another. It is wasting our time.
Sometimes, XL shirts fit me perfectly. But then I move to another brand and I can barely use a XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL. It's ridiculous, standardize this thing.
They shouldn't even have "medium" etc. They should just have the actual measurements on the label. It's condescending that they think people wouldn't be able to remember a couple ballpark numbers.
I worked at a bowling alley for a few years, and one thing I noticed with teenage boys when renting their shoes, their feet were way smaller than their shoes. Like, a kid with size 9 feet wearing size 11 or 12 shoes. Personally, I don't care what the label says. If it fits, and I'm comfortable, I'm more likely to buy it. I view sizes as a starting point.
As a Professor of Fashion in Canada, I advise my students that, before they go shopping, to take their own male or female appropriate size measurements at home and then visit the size charts and measurements for their favourite retailers online to accurately see how their size is larger or smaller depending on the Brand.
Fuck that shit. If companies want to make things more complicated then they need to be, then they won't be selling me products because I'm not going to do bullshit conversions for them or try everything on the rack, I'll pick a few items from my size +/- 2, and that's it. If it fits, they get my money, if not, back to the rack.
As a small man, this sort of thing is a massive pain. I have XS shirts that are about the same size as other brands mediums, which makes finding clothes that don't drown me really hard.
Thank you!! Yours is the first article I've heard or read that actually mentions "vanity sizing". I read about this concept around 20 years ago, but most people just refuse to recognize this exists. It would be great if brands stopped catering to this ideal and accepted a regulated system of sizing, and people learned to quit fooling themselves about the size they wear. I wear everything from an extra large to a 3X because of this concept, and I hate trying on clothes, though it's not all the fault of the sizing issue. For me it's an easy fix as I can and do sew my own clothes or can alter things. For other people it's a serious problem.
My mother always loved to buy Levi's jeans when she traveled to America because of the wide options of leg and waist sizes and fits. When I was on exchange in Macau, my parents went from Brazil to visit me. Just in front of our hotel in Hong Kong, there was a Levi's store on sale. Unfortunately, there wasn't one single piece of clothing that fitted her pretty average 50yo Brazilian woman body. She felt pretty bad.
Once they realize its killing the online retail - since you can't order something based on the size, they'll realize a consistent size will help sell more then vanity sizes..
Most online stores selling clothing usually put very descriptive measurements in cm as far as i've seen. But that's exactly because you can't trust them.
@@sohopedeco yes and every site has different measurements requiring you yo dig into tables and is just not a fun shopping experience. If sizes we're consistent you could by online in 5 minutes
I hate vanity sizing. I know what my waist size is. I wear a belt so when I buy pants I just use the belt to size since I also hate to have to try on the pair of jeans/pants. I also tend to stick to one brand that once I know their size.
So ... there was that time I discovered "skinny" fit jeans meant no-calf-muscle, after I had managed to get them on in the change room. It took 5 minutes of struggling to get them off and that's when I saw the skinny-fit label. Obviously, it had been dropped on the regular jeans pile. I also have had too many jeans that barely fitted after I thought I had the right size, so now I buy big and just tighten up the belt.
In Brazil it's worse, because not only 99% of clothes comes with descriptive sizes (small, medium, large, etc) that already causes a lot of judgement and insecurity (nobody likes to be labeled extra large), the sizes are completely inconsistent. I remember going to a store and their largest size was smaller than the tshirt I was wearing, labeled as medium. It was not a good experience
The biggest reason clothing sizes vary is due to the way material is cut. Cutters take a tall stack of material and cut it with a press die in the shape they need, like a pant leg. The fabric stretches somewhat during press die process, and the layers at the top of the stack stretch more than the bottom. Manufacturers don’t necessarily have a die for every size. The cutting die may be and exact 32” waist or inseam, but the cut pieces can be 32” at the bottom of the stack, and 36” at the top because the fabric stretched more on the top. So they just divide the stack into three. Sections and label the bottom 1/3 as 32”. Middle 1/3 as 34”, and top 1/3 as 36”. Because the entire stack was graduated, with each layer just slightly larger than the one below it. the sizes within each 1/3 section will all be labeled the the same size , they will sill sill vary. A pant labeled 34” waist could be anywhere from 33” to 35” depending on whether it can from the bottom of that section or the top. The total variation in a full stack depends on the fabric type and the size of the stack being cut. Some fabrics stretch more than others during press cutting.
Even if you take 2 of same item in the exact same size into the changing room the sizing can vary a couple of sizes between those identically labelled items, so its safe to assume that clothing manufacturers are incapable of consistency.
(5:05) LOL there's no way I'm bringing a tape measure to the store. I'll just try it on and see if it fits. I couldn't care much less about what the size on the label says.
You didn't get the point. If you try two pieces of clothing and they both fit, they're actually the same size. But you're more likely to buy that wich has smaller number on the label. Even if the clothes would be identical. It's unconcious.
Best to always try on before purchasing anyone clothing. Slightly larger is better than slightly smaller. Also buy slightly larger shoes to prevent scrunched up toe problems.
Im a smaller man standing at just 5'8 & I have found lots of inconsistencies with clothing sizes. This does make it difficult to fins just the right fit. And, it has come to me shopping at one place moreso than another if I am able to find the size(s) that fit me best
I hate vanity sizing... I don't care what my size is, I just want my clothes to fit right... Granted I'm a 34" (as 33 is never carried in stores) and always use a belt, but I do check like the 32s as sometimes they fit perfectly requiring no belt... Though that was before I got out of the hospital and lost weight from atrophy, so I don't know my size now, I'm just sad that the stuff that used to fit perfect on me, doesn't anymore... That all said, I'm the kinda person that doesn't care about money and usually try to just buy the cheapest stuff that fits as perfect as possible... So I might not be the "average" person... I just want it to fit, fit well, be cheap but still look nice enough... I could care less of my snug 32s or 34s were called a size 100 and came with a "lose weight" label... My wife, who is a more full figured woman has the same opinion... (Though she does sometimes like to buy herself an expensive brand, but it's just money, so I can't complain, can't take it with you like the Egyptian's tried to) but even when shopping for expensive stuff or even cheap... She rarely buys online as she actually has to try stuff on to see if it fits... Whereas I can(could before hospital) just go online buy some cheap "34"s and know with a belt they'll fit... Though I do have to go to an actual place if I wanna(well wanted) to try the 32"a on the chance I'd find that perfect "needs no belt fit"... Regardless of anything love the video, even though it's old... Been a sub for a while and as I recover at home, been looking at old videos from my favorite channel's... Maybe someday a follow up video would be cool to see... Regardless thanks for helping me keep my sanity and not be bored to tears..
I think something that should’ve been considered here as well is that retailers probably do this so customers can try out clothes making it more likely that they buy and spend more time at the stores and buy more than just pants!
Now that we do a ton of online shopping, we should eliminate vanity sizing. Not only does it make it harder to purchase without trying it on, but you no longer have to tell the store employee your size.
As a tall 6' dude with proportionally short legs, its frustrating some brands XL is the same size as others XXXL. Then because my torso is long and my legs are short I can never guess if the shirt will be long enough no matter what size they claim.
it's also made worse that size categories seem to differ between countries. an XXL shirt in Canada is usually fairly baggy for the average person. and XXXL shirt in the US can almost fit a small family
Since you asked for a story - as a long time size 12, I once tried on a dress in H&M in size 12 but had to keep bringing in larger sizes until I reached 18 which was tiny. I asked the clerks if they had any larger sizes and they just gave me the stink eye.
I don't really get the problem. When I go shopping for clothes I look for products that fit my stile and afterwards take a few samples around my size to get the right fit... I'm certain I'm having many clothes that are differently size-labeled but all fit me perfectly fine. I've never thought about not buying something that I liked just because the number on the size label was too high. It's mind boggling to me that people have become this fragile.
It makes online shopping super difficult and even in the stores it's just a hassle having to try on several sizes because hou can't rely on the sizes on the labels :/
Jeans shopping would make me so self conscious when I was 15. It would really kick me in the self esteem. It took me years to realize no brand is going to be the same size. Even tshirts- sometimes large shirts are tight and others even extra small too baggy :/
I am a beanstalk standing at 6 feet and 5 inch with a thin waist, and getting well fitting clothes must be done through tailoring. Clothes in stores either fit my narrow waist but don't come down to my feet or the reverse. I feel as though tall people do not exist in the equation of sizes.
Men's jeans are sold by waist and length, you should have no problem there. Also, seek out LT shirts, I have a Columbia LT (Large Tall) that's about 4 inches longer than an XL.
If I'm ordering jeans I like, I literally order multiple sizes. I'm usually a 32 but I make sure I order everything in the 30-34 and return the ones that don't fit. Let the company bear the cost of restocking and reshipping due to their shitty practice.
This may change as people increasingly order their clothes online at sites like Amazon. It'll be difficult to gauge fit prepurchase otherwise, and those return costs will add up.
The lack of consistency is crazy I can buy two different t shirts xl and 5xl and the both fit me the exact same. I don't even care about the money just make it so if want to buy something I like, I can without having to take a tape measure everywhere
Im either a 38" waist or a FORTY FOUR!! depends on store, brand and type of trouser/pant. And yes, the 44" ALWAYS get launched onto the dressing room floor
I bought a pair of pants online last year in my normal size. I could not even fit it over my knees. So, I ordered the same pants in both L and XL, and when I measured the waist of the three pants, they were all the same. The only difference was the length... (No it was not from Wish or AliExpress)
Their goal of getting us to spend more by doing "vanity" sizing has the opposite effect on me...Because I cant just look at a label and know if something fits, I rarely buy pants and when I do I only get a couple pair since even that takes longer. Also due to having to try them on I don't buy them online which is where I do 99% of non grocery shopping.
Most of the time I like to buy large size shirts because of the roomier feel. But some mediums fit really good too. But I’ve gotten a medium that fit like a small at TJ Maxx and I’ve gotten a medium that fit like a large at Walmart.
I've been going to the same store to buy jeans for a few years. My measurements didn't change, but I went from a size 8 to a size 14 within the time I had been shopping therr
Jeans are pretty decent due to the different length and width measurements. But holy hell, shirt sizes are so insanely different, I swear a large shirt would fit anyone from 150 pounds to 250 pounds
Someone needs to open a shop where they have tape measures on the shop floor (like IKEA does) and the clothes are labelled with exactly what size they are in cm.
wait, people buy clothes that have smaller size numbers? Why? The number (or in a lot of cases here the letters like S, M, L, XL and so on) is the first thing I look at when I see a clothing article. I did notice that they can be inaccurate and misleading, but why would you buy one that's clearly too small (or at least that's supposed to be smaller). Sometimes I just don't understand other people...
The differences I see in men's clothing sizes are going from Euro to American and then Asian sizes. They try to convert but everything is smaller than American sizes.
I wear a size 31, and two of my pairs of jeans that are 31s fight perfectly but I was given two pairs of 32s a few months ago and both of them are like one to two inches too tight. but my old pair of 31s fit just fine. This means those 32s were made smaller then the 31s.
Clothes are definitely getting roomier at the same "size". I think sadly, companies are catering to the obesity craze. I never thought being unhealthy would be an "in" movement. I bought the same size running shoes I always do and they are too roomy. Am I supposed to pad my shoes because I'm not obese? It's getting crazy. I have to risk an ankle injury because they don't make my size (a running shoe for actual runners). I can't go a size up or it will be too long and my toes would get blistered from moving. Please tell companies to stop catering to unhealthy weights. Just made plus size shoes and call them that so we know and don't order the wrong size. Simple. Accept your size . . .don't force companies to call someone else's size your and then f&*k them over. It's not fair to everyone who keeps their weight in check. What if we started catering to smokers because that was in again? it makes no sense. Also, ladies, if you are not a B cup, stop trying them on and stretching them out! Thank you
The idea behind selling clothes with a lower number labeled on it as its size is logical when you’re shopping in person but I seriously doubt if it works with online shopping getting more and more popular. I mean I wouldn’t be happy if I order sth which’s 2 sizes bigger than my actual size !
Vanity sizing makes absolutely no sense at all, unless consumers are going to renounce all clothes because they don’t buy into their idea of being a size 2 instead of a size 4, it doesn’t matter what the label reads. And if it was consistent amongst all brands people would just have to suck it up because. I also don’t think the averages mean much country to country if we know the smallest human is a 2 and the largest human is a 200 continue to import or produce the range that the people in your country fall under. Simple
Vanity Sizing doesn't exsist where I live. it is the opposite. Try find something that isn't Chinese size :-( Which on average is 2 to 3 sizes smaller than the typical South African size, which as far as I know used to be accurate to the sizing it was labled with. Which leads to a BIG problem. I'm on the edge of 'normal' clothing which now now has become mostly Chinese sizing. The clothes for bigger people are all South African sizes. So what happens? I either can't get into most of it, or I look like I'm wearing a tent :-( It is so frustrating. Compounded by the fact I can't wear certain fabrics or that in some cases there is not enough cloth to cover you or it is so thin that you can see strait through it.
I’ve gained a few pounds over time so I guess I’d have to add two sizes in my pants, but for “inditex” I went from 28 to 40, those are 5 sizes! How that helps my vanity? 28 was standard medium, now is for skinny kids! I swear I didn’t gain that much weight! Also you fail to mention fast fashion and brands doing their clothes on wherever, so size measurements are more about the sewing patterns from each fabric than anything else. #UpcycleYourClothes
The main reason; Vanity! People are too obsessed with how they look and are perceived by others! People don't want to be told (and accept) that they have gotten bigger, they'd rather be lied to and lie to themselves, serving their vanity and protecting their fragile egos.
I disagree with this on one central point, I don't think it's about self-esteem, although people with low self-esteem may value what others think more (and as such be more vulnerable to vanity sizing), that's not always the case. In my own experience I didn't care at all about numbers and sizes even though I had a terribly low self-esteem and struggled with depression (I'm fine nowadays just in case). I think it has more to do with the way we're raised and with the exposure we have to toxic ideas of beauty. Sizes aren't that important in my culture (people can still be jerks based on someone's weight, but the phenomenon of discriminating based on the number of the label of a piece of clothing is rare here). So, no, self-esteem on its own isn't what makes you vulnerable to vanity sizing. Culture is. Edit: typo
it's the stupid stores that run 1-3 sizes smaller that really make you question yourself. or when stores start to make their clothes smaller so you get on the scale because you question your sanity. usually it's not you- it's the clothes.
Men (at least I, for sure), don't give a F about some label or others' perception. Maybe if anything, men don't wanna be closer to an S-size in anything, more like L to feel more masculine. Men don't wanna be twigs with labels implying they are. Women the other way around. If I can't find something in a store after having tried on the size it's supposed to be, and the next closest in a second run, it's just purely frustrating and I'll just go to another store right away (and never come back to this one). I guess women don't mind trying on shit for hours on end as it's a pastime - shopping. Most men can't be bothered, and stores should need to work harder to keep them coming back. I'm surprised that with eCommerce having spread so much, the industry didn't switch to a standard to appeal to people who'd then buy more from home (and they do - it's convenient - if it wasn't for the complete lack of trust in the size, buying without trying on)
Screw the size...Wear what fits...I have two pair of Jeans both are 40". One needs a belt. :-D The Uniforms that I wear the rest of the time are all 40" but two are from a different company...they are my "fat jeans". :-D
If only there was a universal measure for clothing.. that would be do damn easy
The tech industry has standardised and streamlined a ton of things and to benefit to both the consumers and companies
You’re assuming aliens are the same size as us. We need a global measurement
@@Walker998 and not the workers
I’m an American who supports the centimeter. Who’s with me?
If only there was like an international system for measuring things, that could be used around the globe...
As a man, I find shopping for pants to be a major headache most times. I can’t rely on the labels to quickly find my size, since there’s no consistency from brand to brand. I can be anywhere from a 34 to a 38, which is very confusing and wastes a decent amount of time. And yes, if I’m at a store that tells me I’m a 38, it does make me feel worse!
Cant understand this really. It doesnt bother me at all which size the clothes have i wear. Why does anyone care? Its just some stupid numbers...
A short look in the mirror and you know if youre overweight or not ^^
PP Even if you’re not overweight it’s still a huge frustration. I hate shopping because it just takes too long to find the right fit because nothing is ever what the label says
@@JonesP77 They care because they're insecure. You're right, a short look in the mirror logically tells you if you are or not, but it's a psychological issue, if only it were as simple as rationalizing it.
I hate vanity sizing. Picking clothes would be much easier. Instead of wonering how can 34 pants be too toght in one store and too large in another. It is wasting our time.
Sometimes, XL shirts fit me perfectly. But then I move to another brand and I can barely use a XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL. It's ridiculous, standardize this thing.
They shouldn't even have "medium" etc. They should just have the actual measurements on the label. It's condescending that they think people wouldn't be able to remember a couple ballpark numbers.
Bought the same shoes every year. Same colour, same Brand. Same model. At one point it was about one inch (2,5cm) too long. WHY?
Vanity foot sizes????
They wanna make you think you've got a small penis hahahaha
I worked at a bowling alley for a few years, and one thing I noticed with teenage boys when renting their shoes, their feet were way smaller than their shoes. Like, a kid with size 9 feet wearing size 11 or 12 shoes.
Personally, I don't care what the label says. If it fits, and I'm comfortable, I'm more likely to buy it. I view sizes as a starting point.
@@gothnate agreed
I went pants shopping yesterday. Even amongst the same brand the sizes are inconsistent.
As a Professor of Fashion in Canada, I advise my students that, before they go shopping, to take their own male or female appropriate size measurements at home and then visit the size charts and measurements for their favourite retailers online to accurately see how their size is larger or smaller depending on the Brand.
Fuck that shit. If companies want to make things more complicated then they need to be, then they won't be selling me products because I'm not going to do bullshit conversions for them or try everything on the rack, I'll pick a few items from my size +/- 2, and that's it. If it fits, they get my money, if not, back to the rack.
Professor of Fashion. 😆🤣
4:17 did he ever get his jacket on?
matthew clark RHI no. He’s still trying.
I always thought it was because people are smaller in Asia on average. So large pants from China for example would equal medium from Australian made.
As a small man, this sort of thing is a massive pain. I have XS shirts that are about the same size as other brands mediums, which makes finding clothes that don't drown me really hard.
Great host, love her!
She's very pretty
What is her name?
@@alllmas Ali Larkin
Thank you!! Yours is the first article I've heard or read that actually mentions "vanity sizing". I read about this concept around 20 years ago, but most people just refuse to recognize this exists. It would be great if brands stopped catering to this ideal and accepted a regulated system of sizing, and people learned to quit fooling themselves about the size they wear. I wear everything from an extra large to a 3X because of this concept, and I hate trying on clothes, though it's not all the fault of the sizing issue. For me it's an easy fix as I can and do sew my own clothes or can alter things. For other people it's a serious problem.
I agree. The clothes I wore in high school no longer fit me 30 years later. Must be from companies redoing they're sizing labels.
My mother always loved to buy Levi's jeans when she traveled to America because of the wide options of leg and waist sizes and fits.
When I was on exchange in Macau, my parents went from Brazil to visit me. Just in front of our hotel in Hong Kong, there was a Levi's store on sale.
Unfortunately, there wasn't one single piece of clothing that fitted her pretty average 50yo Brazilian woman body. She felt pretty bad.
"Kind of lying" translation: Lying
I can smell the corporate bollocks coming off her.
Wow, this vanity sizing is totally working on me. I guess, I have some work to do when it comes to my self-esteem 😀
Once they realize its killing the online retail - since you can't order something based on the size, they'll realize a consistent size will help sell more then vanity sizes..
Most online stores selling clothing usually put very descriptive measurements in cm as far as i've seen.
But that's exactly because you can't trust them.
@@sohopedeco yes and every site has different measurements requiring you yo dig into tables and is just not a fun shopping experience. If sizes we're consistent you could by online in 5 minutes
You also have to look at the waist style like "High Waisted" or "Ultra Low rise" .
Your dad joke at the end made me fall in love with you. Help me.
I hate vanity sizing. I know what my waist size is. I wear a belt so when I buy pants I just use the belt to size since I also hate to have to try on the pair of jeans/pants. I also tend to stick to one brand that once I know their size.
If only there was a way to measure pants by length and waist size
So ... there was that time I discovered "skinny" fit jeans meant no-calf-muscle, after I had managed to get them on in the change room. It took 5 minutes of struggling to get them off and that's when I saw the skinny-fit label. Obviously, it had been dropped on the regular jeans pile. I also have had too many jeans that barely fitted after I thought I had the right size, so now I buy big and just tighten up the belt.
5 points to gryffindor!
In Brazil it's worse, because not only 99% of clothes comes with descriptive sizes (small, medium, large, etc) that already causes a lot of judgement and insecurity (nobody likes to be labeled extra large), the sizes are completely inconsistent. I remember going to a store and their largest size was smaller than the tshirt I was wearing, labeled as medium. It was not a good experience
Companies use vanity sizing because they don't care about your 'bottom line'... badum-tsss (get it?)
Once I find a brand that fits, I stick with it. I love Old Navy and Goodwill. Just any store that allows you to try clothing on.
use european size 44 in Nike free shoes and 40.5 in Ecco shoes... Guess Nike really want to win the "____ measuring competition"..
__ ?
Dick? Were you talking about dick measuring?
Sizing HAS to change! What we have now is only 50% accurate. Even the international size conversions is not correct. #TimeForChange
The biggest reason clothing sizes vary is due to the way material is cut. Cutters take a tall stack of material and cut it with a press die in the shape they need, like a pant leg. The fabric stretches somewhat during press die process, and the layers at the top of the stack stretch more than the bottom.
Manufacturers don’t necessarily have a die for every size. The cutting die may be and exact 32” waist or inseam, but the cut pieces can be 32” at the bottom of the stack, and 36” at the top because the fabric stretched more on the top. So they just divide the stack into three. Sections and label the bottom 1/3 as 32”. Middle 1/3 as 34”, and top 1/3 as 36”. Because the entire stack was graduated, with each layer just slightly larger than the one below it. the sizes within each 1/3 section will all be labeled the the same size , they will sill sill vary. A pant labeled 34” waist could be anywhere from 33” to 35” depending on whether it can from the bottom of that section or the top.
The total variation in a full stack depends on the fabric type and the size of the stack being cut. Some fabrics stretch more than others during press cutting.
Even if you take 2 of same item in the exact same size into the changing room the sizing can vary a couple of sizes between those identically labelled items, so its safe to assume that clothing manufacturers are incapable of consistency.
My great aunt was a size 4 in the 50's through 90's. Most of her clothes were store bought, so they did make smaller sizes when MM was alive.
(5:05) LOL there's no way I'm bringing a tape measure to the store. I'll just try it on and see if it fits. I couldn't care much less about what the size on the label says.
You didn't get the point. If you try two pieces of clothing and they both fit, they're actually the same size. But you're more likely to buy that wich has smaller number on the label. Even if the clothes would be identical. It's unconcious.
What a smart young lady
I require mostly custom-made clothes since I’m disproportionate and rigid
I would have learned more if my teachers looked like her
Best to always try on before purchasing anyone clothing. Slightly larger is better than slightly smaller. Also buy slightly larger shoes to prevent scrunched up toe problems.
Im a smaller man standing at just 5'8 & I have found lots of inconsistencies with clothing sizes. This does make it difficult to fins just the right fit. And, it has come to me shopping at one place moreso than another if I am able to find the size(s) that fit me best
*As long as I fits*
It fits
Clothing is the only thing that I never buy online because you can't trust measurements
I do think that if anything will create standard sizing it’s the demands of ecommerce
I hate vanity sizing... I don't care what my size is, I just want my clothes to fit right...
Granted I'm a 34" (as 33 is never carried in stores) and always use a belt, but I do check like the 32s as sometimes they fit perfectly requiring no belt...
Though that was before I got out of the hospital and lost weight from atrophy, so I don't know my size now, I'm just sad that the stuff that used to fit perfect on me, doesn't anymore...
That all said, I'm the kinda person that doesn't care about money and usually try to just buy the cheapest stuff that fits as perfect as possible... So I might not be the "average" person...
I just want it to fit, fit well, be cheap but still look nice enough... I could care less of my snug 32s or 34s were called a size 100 and came with a "lose weight" label...
My wife, who is a more full figured woman has the same opinion... (Though she does sometimes like to buy herself an expensive brand, but it's just money, so I can't complain, can't take it with you like the Egyptian's tried to) but even when shopping for expensive stuff or even cheap... She rarely buys online as she actually has to try stuff on to see if it fits...
Whereas I can(could before hospital) just go online buy some cheap "34"s and know with a belt they'll fit...
Though I do have to go to an actual place if I wanna(well wanted) to try the 32"a on the chance I'd find that perfect "needs no belt fit"...
Regardless of anything love the video, even though it's old... Been a sub for a while and as I recover at home, been looking at old videos from my favorite channel's...
Maybe someday a follow up video would be cool to see...
Regardless thanks for helping me keep my sanity and not be bored to tears..
I love the host. What's her name
@alarkin0
I think something that should’ve been considered here as well is that retailers probably do this so customers can try out clothes making it more likely that they buy and spend more time at the stores and buy more than just pants!
Now I can die in peace
You see this in men's shoes as well. What used to be a size 9 is now called a size 10 or 10.5
Now that we do a ton of online shopping, we should eliminate vanity sizing. Not only does it make it harder to purchase without trying it on, but you no longer have to tell the store employee your size.
As a tall 6' dude with proportionally short legs, its frustrating some brands XL is the same size as others XXXL. Then because my torso is long and my legs are short I can never guess if the shirt will be long enough no matter what size they claim.
it's also made worse that size categories seem to differ between countries. an XXL shirt in Canada is usually fairly baggy for the average person. and XXXL shirt in the US can almost fit a small family
Since you asked for a story - as a long time size 12, I once tried on a dress in H&M in size 12 but had to keep bringing in larger sizes until I reached 18 which was tiny. I asked the clerks if they had any larger sizes and they just gave me the stink eye.
I don't really get the problem. When I go shopping for clothes I look for products that fit my stile and afterwards take a few samples around my size to get the right fit... I'm certain I'm having many clothes that are differently size-labeled but all fit me perfectly fine. I've never thought about not buying something that I liked just because the number on the size label was too high.
It's mind boggling to me that people have become this fragile.
It makes online shopping super difficult and even in the stores it's just a hassle having to try on several sizes because hou can't rely on the sizes on the labels :/
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Jeans shopping would make me so self conscious when I was 15. It would really kick me in the self esteem. It took me years to realize no brand is going to be the same size. Even tshirts- sometimes large shirts are tight and others even extra small too baggy :/
You guys should do an international version of this
I am a beanstalk standing at 6 feet and 5 inch with a thin waist, and getting well fitting clothes must be done through tailoring. Clothes in stores either fit my narrow waist but don't come down to my feet or the reverse. I feel as though tall people do not exist in the equation of sizes.
There's probably not enough of them to justify the expense of creating that size.
Men's jeans are sold by waist and length, you should have no problem there. Also, seek out LT shirts, I have a Columbia LT (Large Tall) that's about 4 inches longer than an XL.
If I'm ordering jeans I like, I literally order multiple sizes. I'm usually a 32 but I make sure I order everything in the 30-34 and return the ones that don't fit. Let the company bear the cost of restocking and reshipping due to their shitty practice.
I wear xxl thai boxing shorts... I also wear small/medium US shorts.
This problem is the exact reason clothes stores aren't closing and I'm not buying pants online. I have NO CLUE what size will actually fit me.
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This may change as people increasingly order their clothes online at sites like Amazon. It'll be difficult to gauge fit prepurchase otherwise, and those return costs will add up.
The lack of consistency is crazy I can buy two different t shirts xl and 5xl and the both fit me the exact same. I don't even care about the money just make it so if want to buy something I like, I can without having to take a tape measure everywhere
Im either a 38" waist or a FORTY FOUR!! depends on store, brand and type of trouser/pant.
And yes, the 44" ALWAYS get launched onto the dressing room floor
Great lighting
I bought a pair of pants online last year in my normal size. I could not even fit it over my knees. So, I ordered the same pants in both L and XL, and when I measured the waist of the three pants, they were all the same. The only difference was the length... (No it was not from Wish or AliExpress)
Their goal of getting us to spend more by doing "vanity" sizing has the opposite effect on me...Because I cant just look at a label and know if something fits, I rarely buy pants and when I do I only get a couple pair since even that takes longer. Also due to having to try them on I don't buy them online which is where I do 99% of non grocery shopping.
I suggest it also encourage people to try the clothes in store.
This is SUPER common in shoes (running, boots, casual, you name it)
Most of the time I like to buy large size shirts because of the roomier feel. But some mediums fit really good too. But I’ve gotten a medium that fit like a small at TJ Maxx and I’ve gotten a medium that fit like a large at Walmart.
I've been going to the same store to buy jeans for a few years. My measurements didn't change, but I went from a size 8 to a size 14 within the time I had been shopping therr
Jeans are pretty decent due to the different length and width measurements. But holy hell, shirt sizes are so insanely different, I swear a large shirt would fit anyone from 150 pounds to 250 pounds
I've noticed this about shoes too!
Someone needs to open a shop where they have tape measures on the shop floor (like IKEA does) and the clothes are labelled with exactly what size they are in cm.
wait, people buy clothes that have smaller size numbers? Why? The number (or in a lot of cases here the letters like S, M, L, XL and so on) is the first thing I look at when I see a clothing article. I did notice that they can be inaccurate and misleading, but why would you buy one that's clearly too small (or at least that's supposed to be smaller).
Sometimes I just don't understand other people...
Did you not watch the second half of the video? It was literally an explanation of why people do it.
Try Mirrorsize for sizing solution
Ordering extra small and not finding a single piece of clothing that fits me instead of being too big.
The differences I see in men's clothing sizes are going from Euro to American and then Asian sizes. They try to convert but everything is smaller than American sizes.
So thats why
Because we have different sizes
I wear a size 31, and two of my pairs of jeans that are 31s fight perfectly but I was given two pairs of 32s a few months ago and both of them are like one to two inches too tight. but my old pair of 31s fit just fine. This means those 32s were made smaller then the 31s.
Clothes are definitely getting roomier at the same "size". I think sadly, companies are catering to the obesity craze. I never thought being unhealthy would be an "in" movement. I bought the same size running shoes I always do and they are too roomy. Am I supposed to pad my shoes because I'm not obese? It's getting crazy. I have to risk an ankle injury because they don't make my size (a running shoe for actual runners). I can't go a size up or it will be too long and my toes would get blistered from moving. Please tell companies to stop catering to unhealthy weights. Just made plus size shoes and call them that so we know and don't order the wrong size. Simple. Accept your size . . .don't force companies to call someone else's size your and then f&*k them over. It's not fair to everyone who keeps their weight in check. What if we started catering to smokers because that was in again? it makes no sense. Also, ladies, if you are not a B cup, stop trying them on and stretching them out! Thank you
The idea behind selling clothes with a lower number labeled on it as its size is logical when you’re shopping in person but I seriously doubt if it works with online shopping getting more and more popular. I mean I wouldn’t be happy if I order sth which’s 2 sizes bigger than my actual size !
I guess we need federal regulations for clothing sizes now.
Vanity sizing makes absolutely no sense at all, unless consumers are going to renounce all clothes because they don’t buy into their idea of being a size 2 instead of a size 4, it doesn’t matter what the label reads. And if it was consistent amongst all brands people would just have to suck it up because. I also don’t think the averages mean much country to country if we know the smallest human is a 2 and the largest human is a 200 continue to import or produce the range that the people in your country fall under. Simple
Metric please
I have two pairs of the exact same pair of pants, just in different colours, from the same manufacturer. But even they don't fit the same.
That's an understatement. Jeans and shirts just to name two are terrible. The great disadvantage of buying online.
Vanity Sizing doesn't exsist where I live. it is the opposite. Try find something that isn't Chinese size :-( Which on average is 2 to 3 sizes smaller than the typical South African size, which as far as I know used to be accurate to the sizing it was labled with. Which leads to a BIG problem.
I'm on the edge of 'normal' clothing which now now has become mostly Chinese sizing. The clothes for bigger people are all South African sizes. So what happens? I either can't get into most of it, or I look like I'm wearing a tent :-( It is so frustrating.
Compounded by the fact I can't wear certain fabrics or that in some cases there is not enough cloth to cover you or it is so thin that you can see strait through it.
OMG I am so fed up with trying to buy clothes. I hate it. Especially places like Chinazon and Chinamart.
Gap and the loft are always HUGEEEE
I’ve gained a few pounds over time so I guess I’d have to add two sizes in my pants, but for “inditex” I went from 28 to 40, those are 5 sizes! How that helps my vanity? 28 was standard medium, now is for skinny kids! I swear I didn’t gain that much weight! Also you fail to mention fast fashion and brands doing their clothes on wherever, so size measurements are more about the sewing patterns from each fabric than anything else. #UpcycleYourClothes
I think it is good enough now. This chaotic situation clearly reflects the real state of the human psyche as what it is.
Button downs, shoes, shirts. All of them have the same problem.
The main reason; Vanity! People are too obsessed with how they look and are perceived by others! People don't want to be told (and accept) that they have gotten bigger, they'd rather be lied to and lie to themselves, serving their vanity and protecting their fragile egos.
I disagree with this on one central point, I don't think it's about self-esteem, although people with low self-esteem may value what others think more (and as such be more vulnerable to vanity sizing), that's not always the case. In my own experience I didn't care at all about numbers and sizes even though I had a terribly low self-esteem and struggled with depression (I'm fine nowadays just in case). I think it has more to do with the way we're raised and with the exposure we have to toxic ideas of beauty. Sizes aren't that important in my culture (people can still be jerks based on someone's weight, but the phenomenon of discriminating based on the number of the label of a piece of clothing is rare here).
So, no, self-esteem on its own isn't what makes you vulnerable to vanity sizing. Culture is.
Edit: typo
it's the stupid stores that run 1-3 sizes smaller that really make you question yourself. or when stores start to make their clothes smaller so you get on the scale because you question your sanity. usually it's not you- it's the clothes.
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Men (at least I, for sure), don't give a F about some label or others' perception. Maybe if anything, men don't wanna be closer to an S-size in anything, more like L to feel more masculine.
Men don't wanna be twigs with labels implying they are. Women the other way around.
If I can't find something in a store after having tried on the size it's supposed to be, and the next closest in a second run, it's just purely frustrating and I'll just go to another store right away (and never come back to this one). I guess women don't mind trying on shit for hours on end as it's a pastime - shopping. Most men can't be bothered, and stores should need to work harder to keep them coming back.
I'm surprised that with eCommerce having spread so much, the industry didn't switch to a standard to appeal to people who'd then buy more from home (and they do - it's convenient - if it wasn't for the complete lack of trust in the size, buying without trying on)
Companies watching fix this please!
No because fixing this would lose them money.
Screw the size...Wear what fits...I have two pair of Jeans both are 40". One needs a belt. :-D The Uniforms that I wear the rest of the time are all 40" but two are from a different company...they are my "fat jeans". :-D
If it fits and it’s comfortable then I don’t care