LOl Want to have some actual balls? Talk about how white men are CURRENTLY being spoken about in the highest circles of our society. Its fucking genocidal whats about to happen.
I think it’s good we talk about this, when i watched these shows I never really noticed or considered these tropes. So it’s good to see stereotyped communities bring light to these issues
@@trinaq agreed, I don’t think all these portrayals of minorities are meant with malice, but through awareness we can break down walls we didn’t know existed, because feeling excluded from the very society you live in is a horrible feeling.
@@playboimarty I think this is an unfortunate repercussion of stereotypes. Asian men are considered unmasculine and usually not being well endowed, and even though these aren't true, they have reverberated into the dating world. I guess the best evidence I have is that I live in Russia, and Asian men do well for themselves here because this form of humour didn't catch on. They have their own stereotypes here, usually, they are actually considered "too masculine". Weird world huh
You’re so right OP. When you’re not aware of the stereotype it’s easy to just laugh and move on never even realize that you may even be internalizing that racial view or bias. The Take IS really good at that. So much so that when my wife walks through the living room and sees I’m watching a Take on a movie she loves like “Miss Congeniality” her first reaction is “…oh no… what’s wrong with THIS?” It’s an honest reaction because it’s invariably true when they point out the problematic tropes and it can feel like something you loved is getting tarnished. But we’re both of us grateful for the insight so that we can move forward and still appreciate what’s good in those films and tv shows while no longer just accepting the toxic.
I think it's important to know that the answer to de-sexualized Asian men and hypersexualized Asian women isn't to sexualize Asian men more - it's to see and represent all Asian people as multi-faceted and fully realized characters and people.
exactly, realizing that Asian men can also be sexually and romantically desirable is perfectly fine but there's also a lot of fetishization towards (east) asians nowadays too for example, the real solution is just for people to realize that Asian people aren't a big monolith but a diverse and complex group of people like any other
K-pop may also be another offender as much as a good representation. Many fans want to expect Korean and other Asian men to be romantic to them and cute. One Korean TH-camr said that he doesn't like it when that happens.
i said “oh YES” when i saw this in my feed. in the “kiss me more” by doja cat ft sza music video, i loved seeing Alex Landi, a korean-american man, as the love interest!
I haven’t seen that video but I’m going to look for it now! Also in one of Taylor Swifts videos she has a Korean American as the lead love interest. It’s finally ( slowly) getting better. Although I never understood the whole Asexual Asian trope. I have always found Asian men to be as attractive as any other race of men.
I got that song stuck in my head and wanted to watch the video to get it out so I could focus on my homework. As soon as I saw Alex Landi I gasped because he was one of the most handsome guys I’ve ever seen. It wasn’t until after I finished the video that I realized I didn’t remember the last time I’d seen an Asian man portrayed in such a desirable role and I found it really refreshing. Now that I know the guy’s name I’ll check out more of his work
I read about the kiss scene testing and it made me wonder who they tested it with because I saw Romeo Must Die in the theater with a predominantly black audience watching. When that hug scene come up there was an uproar of "What the hell!?!?!?" from both women and men in the theater. Makes me think they only tested it with white audiences.
I think most of the test audience was white. Because when I saw the movie in a black movie theater when it first came out, people were pissed at that hug they had been waiting for a kiss. I was unsatisfying because you could tell it was supposed to be a romance in the movie.
I really hate when people say representation doesn't matter! Hollywood has created so many negative stereotypes of so many POC and we're being shamed for wanting better representation😒
Representation doesn't matter. PROPER representation does. I would argue that when white cis men think of "representation", they think of sticking some othered minority group in the movie so everyone can see the diversity is "present", no matter how they are developed. That's not proper representation. It's not enough to be seen on-screen. We need to be seen as nuanced as white characters. Even though I'm assuming that's what you meant, just clarifying.
@@GenerationNextNextNext i fully agree. that type of casting almost seems worse than no representation at all. it makes people feel like they're an "other" and not considered "normal". I've noticed this type of "minimal representation" casting for quite some time, starting with Big Brother. Nearly every year out of 12-16 houseguests, there's usually 2 or 3 POC's (increasingly more diverse in later seasons, but not enough until literally THIS year) 1 or 2 stereotypical gay guys, MAYBE a bisexual or lesbian female every few years, and 1 person over the age of like, 40. Not only that, they rarely cast people who aren't considered conventionally attractive. This year's seasons of BBUS and BBCanada are the most diverse possible, the BBUS house this year is about half POC!
As an Asian-American man approaching middle age, I really appreciated this video. It feels like we’re at a cusp of a sea change but not quite there. But, media representation has vastly improved since my formative years. More awareness the better.
The most important factor for women male preference: height, looks, and race. Despite virtue signaling of American women, they are repulsed by average Asian men. Asian men are the highest earners in America with lowest divorce rate. Even wealth cannot help Asian men! I’m not saying white women must find Asian men attractive or else they are racist, but openly acknowledge racial preferences is okay for any race any gender. However, I admit there is a growing trend of all races of women (especially among Asian women ironically) find Asian men attractive. Although racial preferences can change, most people subconsciously determine what is attractive or unattractive in adolescence. When I lived in Korea as Asian American man, I noticed the barriers for dating white women there were gone. When white people choose to visit or move to asia, it’s likely they see Asians positively making them distinct to most whites in their native country. If a girl grew up as a fan of kpop, it maybe more likely she may find Asian men attractive regardless of her race.
There is a significant line from the 1991 movie "Boyz n the Hood" where the character Furious Styles stated that "The best way you can kill a people is you take away their ability to reproduce themselves". That is exactly what Hollywood and white Western media has been doing to Asian males for the last century, so much to the extent that even now westernized Asian women typically don't find Asian men to be attractive.
The closest character that I think shatters this trope is Glenn from The Walking Dead. He has a genuine love life, no broken English, and very essential to the story. He was too good and a big favorite to the point where a lot of people stopped watching after his death.
@@Tom-qp6oh yeah but the character is *Korean*-american. Sometimes character that are portrayed as coming from the Asian Diaspora are assimilated, ya kno? Yes we like rep that shows Asian Americans more in touch w their cultural background, but saying he’s just any american I think is a little reductive. Genuinely the bar is so low for what we accept as good Asian American roles on screen that we’ll accept “decent character with no racist accent who actually contributes to the story even if they’re very Americanized” as like. The best of the best
@@Tom-qp6oh how was he supposed to be in touch with his Korean culture in the middle of a zombie apocalypse? Are asians only valid to you if they seem different from every other American?
Can’t believe they didn’t mention how groundbreaking it was that 1997’s Cinderella movie had a dark skinned black woman as the beautiful princess Cinderella and a filipino actor as the handsome prince. Like that is still a huge movie to many millennials who grew up watching it.
I learned about this in my Asian American History class in college. Asian women are either oversexualized and viewed as "exotic", or submissive, or even portrayed as the villain at times. And how they're always paired with a white man that "saves" them, but Asian men are seen as weak and never paired with a white woman, or any woman for that matter. Just because of the war, as mentioned in the video. They're rarely the lead, and if they are, then it's only for a martial arts movie, but even then, they never have a love interest in movies. I'm glad that you made a video about it so that more people are aware of this, and not just a tiny group of college students a year.
I think the actor who played Leonard is not too far behind but yeah, first time I saw Raj's actor out of character made me realize how well they downplayed his looks in the show
Raj is not even Asian. He is Indian and Indian men do fine in US. They are desired by lot of white and Asian women. Many of my friends are married to white women.
As an Asian American male who's seen this since the 80's, I really appreciate you making a video on it. Really well done. I had to share it with my family and friends immediately.
What I always found infuriating about Big Bang Theory is that Raj is by far the cutest guy in the main cast. In my opinion he was the only cute one, but they all acted like there was no way he could compete with Leonard.
I completely agree with you over the fact that he is by far the best looking of the bunch. However, and sadly, I found his poor prospects in terms of romantic interest to be realistic. Often attractive people of colour get cast aside for less attractive white people. (South) Asian men are often overlooked by white women no matter how great of a partner they could be in favour of other men (and if I'm not mistaken, the show only introduced white romantic partners, Raj's sister being the exception). Actually, from my observation, Asian men get overlooked by pretty much any woman with a different cultural heritage than them. I'm not sure whether this was a deliberate critique or whether it originated from the writer's own bias, but sadly the show was right on the money in that regards IMHO.
@@nin.-2644 I agree with you, and I think the issue is that we mainly pay attention to what we are used to. Rather than explaining this in a shitty way, I'll use a personal example to (hopefully) clarify: For as much as someone can "objectively" be considered attractive, yes, I thought that Raj was the best looking in the group of guys on BBT. But it wasn't until I met and had a very flirtatious dynamic with an Indian friend that I started really noticing the attractiveness of that character, and other men around me of Indian ethnicity. Basically, it was typical for me to pick out the hot white guy b/c I have always lived in a predominantly Caucasian area. So I wasn't *really* looking for anything else but that. When I developed an attraction to an Indian guy, I started noticing people of Indian ethnicity on a more individual level, if that makes sense. And once I became more interested in aspects of Asian culture (especially Hallyu), I found myself paying more individual attention to men of Asian ethnicities than I think I used to. It's like once you broaden your cultural horizons, you don't see people as part of a "collective" anymore. I really hope I framed that properly. I think seeing different races/ethnicities as a homogeneous group instead of as individuals really is a big part of the problem (guess I could have just said THAT, huh?)😏
never found the show funny at ALL. besides the beetles looking one's open misogyny, them castrating the Indian guy by making him unable to talk to women let me know I didnt miss much without watching
It really bothered me that on The Big Bang Theory, they had Raj, the character who demonstrated the greatest desire to find a meaningful romantic partnership, end up alone even though they went to the trouble of setting up a viable relationship for him in the last season. Also, while not all relationships have to be sexual, I was really disappointed that Aaliyah's character did not end up together with Jet Li's character because it was obvious that it's because he's Asian. I think the same happened in a lot of Jackie Chan's movies.
I was so angry. I was hopeful because they gave Raj a story and a background story but as the show progressed, they made him more and more feminine. I really hated it. And I really hated that he ended up alone 😔. I just knew he was going to come out with a love interest... creepy Howard and neurotic Sheldon got wives.
@@leannewheeler5351 YES!!!! The asexual character ended up in a loving marriage with the prospect of having children some day and Raj has to choose between friends and a girl? 🙄🤦♀️This actor, Kunal Nayyar, in real life is married to a former Miss India. But no, forever the platonic Asian! 😠
I agree with you, but I just want to mention that Jet Li and Jackie Chan are both first top martial artists that became actors later. Meaning they are not great actors. I'm sure if the director really wanted to have a romantic scene with them, he could have had them learn to do it somehow but at the same time, they are not great at doing romantic scenes. But that is not to say there are no Asian actors that can play this role. There are many,.. but Hollywood doesn't cast them. They want to pick the stereotypical asian looking actors, not the one that's going to look better than a non-Asian leading actor.
@@Arkane117 you don't think they are good actors and that's fine. Jackie Chan was sent to an Chinese drama/opera academy where he spent his childhood learning all aspects of performance of which acrobatics and martial arts was just one component (I read his biography) which is what eventually led him to pursue a career in film acting (starting as a stunt extra and moving up to starring roles) so it wasn't a transition from one to the other for him. Jet Li did start in martial arts first, but started acting before he was 20 so he has experience doing it and he isn't without talent IMO (Hero is one movie that comes to mind in which his acting was superb). Both of them have played lead characters with romantic interests when they worked in China so they had the experience with that also before transitioning to the US market. There are also lots of film actors in US cinema that are clearly cast on looks or comedy chops and not acting talent that have had roles depicting romantic relationships (Ashton Cutcher, Kevin James). The video even explained/showed a highlighted titled stating that Jet Li's kiss with Aaliyah wasn't well received by Urban Audiences and I find it hard to believe that it's because they can accept bad acting only if there's no romance. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
Loved the video but I wish it also talked about how when an Asian man is put as the "attractive guy" it's also a mixed Asian man, kinda like when black actresses get opportunities is usually the light skinned ones.
Even Crazy Rich Asians fell into this trope. A movie about asian representation, with all asians, meant for asians, but still couldn't help themselves with casting a half-white asian male lead lmao
Another Asian oriented stereotype I detest is the "Asian speaking in Broken English" trope. It seems to be used mostly for cheap laughs, and might not be as commonplace as the media would have you believe.
I can buy language difficulties since studying one is hard. I studied japanese and that language is hard. Same goes for anyone learning english but I do get the frustration of asian stereotypes and broken english. As a filipino man, I can see my relatives speak perfect english or have an accent, and I wish hollywood just shows diversity. Even white folks speaking a different language can butcher the words. Show those moments, hollywood
That stereotype rightful not only for Asians, but for all of the emigrants characters non English native speakers. Even British native English accent can seems funny in an American movies.
@@Chris-rg6nm There a newer immigrants and there are Americans of Asian descent whose families have been in the US for generations. It is a stereotype.
@@Chris-rg6nm I think my best experience with this was at a restaurant where the grandfather was the chef, spoke no English at all, still tried to communicate with customers, though. The parents (middle aged) ran the register, books, etc, and their English was very good, but accented. Then the kids (teens and early 20s) waited tables and cleaned up, perfectly local accented English (with occasional confusion on something said in Mandarin). It's realistic, but Hollywood doesn't depict anything with that much nuance.
For about five years, I lived in Tokyo and dated mostly Japanese men. The reactions that I got from white males, even those living in Japan and dating Japanese women, were always incredulous. I can't even count the number of times I've had people question my Asian partners' sexuality or masculinity. The idea that Asian men can't be sexy is totally baffling to me; my experiences DEFINITELY suggest otherwise.
I just don't know why white men have to be that hypocritical (disliking that you're with a Japanese man but they're with Japanese women) and use stereotypes. I noticed that whenever I'm friends with white guys, it's never the ones who date Asian women (they tend to be the most racist white guys). In addition, I noticed that a lot of white men like my father tend to be immature and impatient with family members when they're married to Asians, it's really unfortunate and I wish they just didn't exist.
@@dako6141 That sounds like a challenging thing to experience. :( I completely agree; the hypocrisy is downright upsetting, and it's just further proof of how damaging Western depictions of Asian men and women can be.
@@megh2890 I think those white men (and other non-Asian men) need to mind the business that pays them and stop harassing white women who happen to be in genuine, loving relationships with Asian men. I usually ignore Hollywood movies that involve caricatures of Asians in some way/shape/form and go straight to K-dramas or other Asian drama, which lack the damaging stereotypes about Asian men that we're constantly bombarded w/ in America.
@Alice J true even I have 👀 2 renowned Korean girl youtubers blatantly told the international viewers not to come to Korea lol. Asian girls are the real hypocrite here. They feel entitled to both asian men and white men in Asia and America respectively
@greas Wyq I don’t think it is not helpful. Asian particularly Korean film and music industries are getting popular in some western countries, including US. Of course it is still at early stage as compared to Hollywood, but it does contribute to building up a positive and real image of Asian Men.
@@shyofshyness That’s why so many people agree there is a systemic discrimination against Asian men in US. In North America, Asian men are not only underrepresented but also vilified by media as weak and unattractive men.
Surprised nobody in the comments is mentioning Jason Mendoza from The Good Place as an example of male Asian rep that walks a good balance of giving the character nuance & humor while showing the actor as the handsome & attractive man that he is. Manny Jacinto is Filipino excellence!
@@inajai6422 I always appreciated that he’s considered desirable by many characters even tho he’s a lovable idiot! He’s fun & I appreciate that he subverts stereotypes abt Asian men in other ways by being emotionally intelligent & not being a total brainiac bc those are also the stereotypes that contribute to the des*xualization of Asian men in general. Gotten love Jason Mendoza
Omg I LOVED Jason. Especially his first lines when he's like "Everyday thinks I'm Chinese when I'm actually Filipino. Heaven is racist!" Lmao gets me every time.
Even before The Walking Dead, Lost did a great job of allowing Asians to be Asian but have individual personalities. Sun and Sayid were (beyond) handsome and immensely multilayered. Especially Jin, Daniel Dae Kim. His character literally had to perform completely in Korean but interact with the entire cast English speakers while only had one other person that understood Korean, Sun, his character's wife.
Ancient India: creates Kamasutra. American sitcoms to Asian characters: We can't let you have sex??? All we can give you is terrible accent.. Bwah hahaha.
Unfortunately this video focuses on more on east asians and not south east asians. Not hating on the video it's just not a part of the conversation and I understand
@@sho3bum The stereotypical accent they gave us and the new bobs and vegane narrative is so damaging to the image of South Asian men. If there's a chart then south asian men will be at the bottom because the whole of the west think we are gonna ask for nudes. Either we are the nerdy science guys, weird indian uncle or people from slums. We seriously need better representation in hollywood.
Well to be fair, the narrative of south Asian men showing predatory behaviors towards women on the internet is a reflection of exactly what has been happening in life provided with countless evidences. That narrative wasn’t born with the intention to emasculate south Asian man initially, but to warn other women/victim to be wary and pay caution. And because so many women has experienced it, which results in people subconsciously form a negative impression in their mind due to the collective behavior of that group. The media didn’t invent this narrative, it’s much more of south Asian man’s own doing, similar to the case of “Karen” etc
@@summerhoang I agree to a certain extent; this video talks about comedy SE Asian men, but there are other issues in there. There have been unfortunately real problems with people being coerced to join terrorist organizations, for example. That isn't the only narrative for all Asian relationships, of course, but misogyny and 'control issues' can still be there, especially around arranged marriage. Not to say that European relationships don't have their cultural issues either, just that this video would seem to miss that nuance. A film like 'The Big Sick' was actually made by a Pakistani man about his experiences, for example, that is surely more nuanced, it talks about him moving away from some aspects of his culture. Some Asian women disliked its representation of them, that it repeated stereotypes about them and arranged marriage etc. but I do feel it does start a conversation, not only about internalized racism but also learning from Western cultures.
@@summerhoang well to be fair, predatory men exist in all cultures and when it pertains to South Asian men, there's a very good case to be made for repressed sexuality. The society as a whole has failed to teach men in India how to behave. And it's sad really. Right from when the British came in with certain regressive laws about what's considered norm in terms of sexuality(I know they banned certain regressive Indian practices like sati) everything is leaning far right in India today. And the representation in American sitcoms doesn't help. I think the big sick is probably the best portrayal of a middle aged South Asian man.
@@EzioIlMentore You know asians fought alongside white men in those wars too right?? Especially in the Korean war which was basically a civil war between the two Koreas and WW2 too which was basically all Asia and white men against the japanese
@@okpo2596 And those wars were major racism factories for white men. You're a fool if you think they actually somehow respected the Asians they fought alongside with.
As a black man in the US, I'm always happy to see our progress constantly being pushed forward. But I also want to see our Asian Brothers treated like men. I constantly see them being treated as if they're undesirable, whether it be jokes about their manhood or their masculinity, down to the point that some resort to self-deprecating comedy when I can tell they really don't want to deal with this. Just like media can be used to normalize different sexualities and different mentalities, we need to use media and entertainment to normalize the masculinity of so many of our Asian brothers. Speaking up, as "the nail that sticks out," is how change always occurs.
Facts, As an Asian guy I'm happy to see that lots of different people are getting progress such as those of African descent or even LGBTQ folk, but it seems to me that Asians and Hispanics don't really have progress? We're all invisible stereotypes even though we are a large minority in the world in general.
Please do a video on how black woman, but mostly dark skin black woman, rarely get love interest or how they fall under the disposable girlfriend trope, making audiences see them as undesirable or desexualizing them.
I remember when one of the girls insulted the Asian man, the other girl said that she need to be careful not to hurt his feelings or he’d kill himself with a sword. My jaw dropped. I never watched that show again. And they didn’t treat the old Black man much better.
@ParticularlyGoodFinder Almost wish they'd chosen other moments. Didn't realize I was signing up to hear so many transphobic jokes with my morning coffee. Appreciate these kinds of things are being critiqued these days though!
It always bothered me when I was watching Big Bang Theory that how Raj was shown always awkward, unable to talk to women, unable to have any romantic relationship and how feminine he was. But on the other hand, when his sister Priya was introduced, she immediately gets Leonard, her persona is just great, she is a successful, intelligent lawyer, capable of having all the extroversive qualities. How desirable she was as an Indian woman, how masculine she was and how horrible Raj was, as an Indian man who never saw a woman in his entire life. I couldn't enjoy the show after that. It wouldn't have hurt them to show Raj as more confident, funny and a lot less awkward.
Actually,it would have hurt them to show him otherwise. Asian male in the west are stereotypically potrayed for the sole purpose of making them a subject of Ridicule, Mockery and Insult. They always potray them as Ugly, Nerdy, Geeky, Unattractive, Wimpy, Whiny, Cowardly, Uncharismatic, Incompetent, and all about "academics". Always, a goofy sidekick, comedic relief and even worse a mere Taxi driver with a funny accent or broken english, among the leading White Caucasian Male lead. South Asian males are even told to to do the Hollywood 's sterotypical version of South Asian accent for the sole purpose of Ridicule and to make them a butt of jokes, further desexualizing them more. And Honestly, Kunal Nayyar (Raj) wouldn't even get a role here In India, not even for advertisement. Coz he is not at all good looking nor is he a good actor. Western people loved him in the BBT, coz the loved laughing at him.
My late husband was gorgeous, sexy, charismatic and Japanese American. I should be happy that he was looked over, or I may not have had a chance at true love. ♥️
My only critique is you missed how this trope is also internalized by Asian Women as well as Asian men. They may have their own cultural reasons why they don't wanna date Asian guys, but a lot of Western born/raised Asian women have grown up on a steady diet of this trope and it works just as well on them as it does on any white or black person.
@@anoushkashenoy692 that’s really sad to know. I hope all non-white people can just accept the fact that these things were not made for us but by whi!te supr€mac!sts (mostly) and will always have a sinister/bias undertone to it (if/when they do include us). Self-acceptance is key!!
Ehhh, not necessarily. You can have a regional accent. Sorry for the nitpick. :p Otherwise, I generally agree. I respect someone who speaks multiple languages.
Then why is Russian considered a Rival to American English? Because the Russians can flatline the US in 20 minutes by their nuclear weapons alone. India, Pakistan, China, Japan and S.Korea can’t even touch the US. There is a reason why Russia is seen as a rival but still respected more than any model minority.
Nah, accent is what you get depending on where you live, you have it regardless on the number of languages you know. It just may make a contrast when you live in a different country and use the regional language, while keeping your regional accent. Because it's actually more difficult to learn foreign accent than language itself.
Asian American have not realised that if they continue to follow the game rule, they will never win because the game is RIGGED. My word to Asian American dude: No need to act like a white guy and think like a white guy. Be proud of your own ethnicity. And most importantly try to learn somethings from your fellow from Asia. They are changing the game rule which may ultimately help you to escape from the dilemma.
Yeah, asian people living in west still behave 10-15 years backward than their asian origin countries. They don't change their culture with time like people living in Asia do
I'm glad they talked about "The Love Birds". I was pleasantly shocked that the couple in question consisted of a black woman and a Pakistani man. It was really refreshing to see. It also gave me hope. Since black woman aren't considered conventionally attractive (especially dark-skinned ones like myself), it gave me a bit of hope.
Well tbh there are two type of black women, Gorgeous or Tyrone. I’ve yet to meet a black click who is in between and the few who I am attracted to are str8 up gorgeous. Nothing racist, just pointing that we men like feminine looking women for the most part, nothing to do with color as much as the hwite media makes you want to think. I’m Pakistani BTW.
@@harrisn3693 You are racist and your view of Black women is based on your racial bias and stereotypes of us. The majority of ALL races are normal/decent looking to cute, including Black women. If Black women were portrayed with the same diverse range in character and womanhood as white women were, your views would be different.
I think that's why Rush Hour is one of my favorite movies. I don't have to get into it too much, but Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan's on-screen chemistry and the fact that they're co-leads with neither one feeling like the "sidekick" or subordinate to the other.
@Lindsey Bailes Rush Hour had a lot of problems for sure, and the racist jokes were so...fucking...many. But Chan's character was suave, intelligent, somewhat open-minded and got an on-screen kiss with a smoking hot agent. He was allowed to make mistakes, too. He also recognised that, while annoying & reckless, Chris Tucker's character wasn't actually dumb. Lee was a great character. But the racism was BS.
@@FabalociousDee Rush Hour still had a generic Asian villain, played by Ken Leung. Ken did get to star in a romance movie with Hayden Pannettiere in 2007's Shanghai Kiss, though.
I mean they are both minorities. Let’s be honest, if it was a white man and an asian man or a black man, I’m pretty sure the white man would’ve been the main character
I also loved how Filipino-American Vincent Rodriguez III as Josh was depicted as the love interest in crazy ex girlfriend. Not as a stereotype, just as a (bit slow) hot dude.
Sessue Hayakawa was gorgeous! This content is so great! Some of the examples in the video were so offensive and unrealistic. I know in the african american community we have ongoing issues with media representation and harmful negative stereotypes but I appreciate other culture struggles as well more and more
Right? I was thinking I might get around to watching it someday… now it’s totally crossed off my list. How can people find super hot girls mocking a regular looking Asian guy entertaining? Does it make their manhoods feel larger? Seriously though, that dialog and scenarios are a complete waste of that actors talent. If he wasn’t such an incredibly good comedy actor, those scenes would be just depressing.
@@snowfoxxie Even if he wasn't asian, it it's still not fun or entertaining watching a series where a human-being is mistreated, mocked and disrespected all the time as a form of comedy, it's really not funny.
I’m glad conversations are had about racial stereotypes differing on the gender of the person. Not enough people understand that every racialized stereotype materializes differently depending on gender.
I rather like the fact that they did not spell it out that the relation is romantic. That in fact makes his reality quite relatably human. And I do believe Marvel is keeping the ground upon for romance for Shang Chi. His father certainly had a romantic story, which is a big improvement upon the original image of the 'Mandarin'.
you might not hearing this very often, but thank you very much to mentioning us the Asian men and represent us so the world could see us as valuable as any other men. because we were pretty much did not fulfill any dating criteria nowadays or see us as the men who worth dating (being yellow, below 6 feet and being a laughing stock). it is hard for us to be able to date women while on the other hand, our Asian women starts to adore more non-Asian men and even make fun of us. so again, thank you for making this video about us, the Asian men.
I watch lots of TV shows and crazy ex girlfriend really stood out for his portrayal of a Filipino man. I was grateful for this variety. I think more TV shows should follow the example
Lewis Tan, and the guys who played The Raid: Iko Uwais and Joe Taslim (who also play Bi Han/Sub Zero in recent Mortal Kombat) also do not fit that stereotype. Also Bruce Lee.
Dont even bother, thesse trend surfers, will never FULLY cover that show, aside from the ocational lip service here & there I asume casue it didnt hit big with audiences as opossed to rick & morty & game of thrones
You can never compare the experiences of men and women because the male and female value in the dating market is very different. Women of all races will have an easier time than men of all races. A white girl will have an easier time than a white dude, and a black woman will have an easier time than a black dude. Most guys are not as choosy as females. Guys will get with the most average-looking girl, but girls want only the top 10% of men. This is a fact.
@@ezra5788 Even though women generally have an easier time, there's no denying that the self esteem of women are heavily impacted by public perceptions. It's the Black women who are en masse wearing the hair of Eurasians on their heads that look nothing like their own, not Black men. Also, obviously men below the top 10% are getting women. Dating app statistics can't always be applied to the general population. In truth, everyone wants to date the best, but can only settle with what they can get. But even with that said, emotional attachments are built.
@@TonyMishima92 Yeah all true, but at the end of the day, an average-looking woman will get more dates than a good-looking guy. Dating is wayyy harder as a dude than as a woman. Women have more sexual market value than men. There is a reason over 90% of po*n is focused on female stars, not the dudes. Attractive black women will have no problem getting dudes, but for Asian men it is much more difficult.
One is that if the hero is asian, the villain cant be white ever. This has been documented that white producers actively sabotage the movie into having this dynamic
I know the actor Simu Liu from the Canadian sitcom, "Kim's Convenience," where he played Jung: the attractive bad boy with a big dorky/sweet side. I kinda hope he keeps a similar characterization in the film. Jung was so relatable/well-rounded :)
Considering the lead worked with and defended that guy with hate crimes against Asian people on his record I'm not expecting much. He sold out on his principles so damn fast.
Constant rejection made me this way, im 2nd gen Indian American and 5’5 born in the southern us post 9-11, in my early 20’s and high school I was constantly rejected which made me bitter and jaded and I don’t talk to anyone in general. Idc if I’m alone and weird it’s peaceful.
@one2three4five6 aha, classic if you can't get that atleast you can get someone who wants a visa. Is his life about working as an trafficker(don't ask about this word I said it in a hyperbole)
When Bruce Lee refuses the services of women in Enter the Dragon, it is because he is disciplined as a student of Shaolin. This is in stark contrast to Han, who was kidnapping, drugging and killing the girls on the island.
Yeah, this video doesn't entirely get things, because there is a big difference between a character being presented as asexual, and a character being presented as sexually undesirable.
Yes, I had read that scene as meaning to depict him as having an honorable character in contrast the others who were depicted as slimey douches. That's my reading anyway.
Those clips from Two Broke Girls genuinely set my teeth on edge! Can’t believe how badly it’s aged, but hopeful that jokes like that would never be given the green light now.
Yeah like let's make some scenes about bullying, but write the show from the perspective of the bully. First time I've seen it, but it's incredibly low. I can't believe how recent it was.
There is a significant line from the 1991 movie "Boyz n the Hood" where the character Furious Styles stated that "The best way you can kill a people is you take away their ability to reproduce themselves". That is exactly what Hollywood and white Western media has been doing to Asian males for the last century, so much to the extent that even now westernized Asian women typically don't see Asian men as attractive.
@@OVI-Wan-Kenobi-8 Yes, this is exactly what it is. That's the nail on the head. It's a precursive genocide. It's an attack on our image as mates because white/jewish men feel threatened and rather than let women make up their own minds they want to play dirty with propaganda tactics.
As a black man i thought i was the only one that noticed or even cared about how Asians are never able to be in masculine roles in Hollywood.. This is why I was so hype for that ninja assassin movie... Asain gangster movies are awesome too..
*ASEXUAL is really not the word you were looking for.* Don't get me wrong, the video is very good, but 'asexual' refers to an already marginalized and almost invisible sexuality -- that, by the way, has little to do with the stereotypes, besides unfortunately being portraited by some of them as well. By banalizing the word, what you guys ended up doing here, by accident, I'm certain, was making sure this minority remains invisible to the larger audience. Desexualized, emasculated etc fit what you were going for much better. I'm sure people from this minority would be glad to not see any more misrepresentations.
@ParticularlyGoodFinder caedsexual specifically refers to someone who no longer experiences sexual attraction due to sexual trauma or PTSD. I don’t think this is an appropriate label for Dumbledore because he had no sexual trauma or ptsd. He had generally traumatic experiences but not the kind that would qualify him for caedsexuality. (Caedsexuality mostly applies to survivors of SA). If you really wanted to make the argument for Dumbledore’s asexuality, a better term would be erasexual, which is when a person’s sexual attraction partly or fully vanishes over time. However, I personally take issue with labeling Dumbledore as any form of asexual because he never actually talks about any ace experiences. The last thing we need is another identity for JK to tack on to her characters without ever doing the work of actually writing a queer character. Sexual repression, on the other hand, is when a person still experiences sexual attraction but chooses to ignore/suppress those feelings. I have no qualms with people calling Dumbledore sexually repressed, cause it’s an action, not an identity.
What's interesting is that this is more of a western thing. When you watch dramas or music videos from Asia (especially South Korea) every Asian guy is perceived hot or desirable.
This channel is geared towards US/Western social issues, although some issues apply to an international audience, but a lit of the topics are kinda based on Hollywood and American Media.
Please cover the "Yellowface" trope, or hiring white actors to play characters of colour. The most infamous example would definitely be Mickey Rooney in "Breakfast at Tiffany's."
Honorable mentions go to: Katherine Hepburn - and every other main character! - in The Good Earth (1937) John Wayne as Genghis Khan (at least he didn't attempt an accent) Emma Stone in Aloha (oh you're half Vietnamese, suuuuure ...)
I can't believe the totally unfunny and completely offensive "Two Broke Girls" ever got the green light, let alone run as long as it did. I'm pretty sure it is even still in syndication. People complain about shows from the 90s, such as Friends, not holding up well in some social instances. 2 Broke Girls is much newer than Friends and seems to get a pass. It is also way worse than most of the 90s shows ever were. How has this happened?
Trust me, there are some pop culture that get fairly criticized and some that seem to escape (i.e. Bridget Jones's Diary which traffics in many of the tropes that The Take has critiqued and yet when it had its video here, escaped criticism)
It's sad because Raj in real life married a genuine supermodel. He's by far the sexiest man on that show,to the point that, if he had a Hollywood regime, he could play the character of the masculine man(Did you see Kumail nanjiani?). And even jet Li, the man is a martial arts specialist. he's masculine as masculine gets. Its an honor to have a great role for him. But I do see the waves of change happening. BTS breaking into the scene, Kumail najiani playing the role of a literal god and Shang Chi s managing to break the stereotype. Kudos to MARVEL!
The Take dropping those good-ass takes, as usual. I'm not even full asian, just half asian, but it's still quite amazing how much media tropes affect women's perception of me. I was born and raised in Sweden but have only dated 2 white girls, both of whom were into k-pop, while having dated a lot more asian women. My ex-girlfriend told me that she had asked 4 of her white friends, and all of them said that they wouldn't date an asian guy, no matter how good-looking. And I feel this myself when interacting with women of different ethnicities. The difference in their attraction towards me is very noticable. There is little doubt that media and movie tropes play a heavy role in this.
Women with race dating restrictions are not very smart or interesting, so not a big loss. Finally, having asian background is quite an advantage in dating, because you gather interesting girl and pull away the alienated ones.
First of all, having never seen "2 Broke Girls", those segments are THE most offensive contemporary treatment of an Asian male I have seen. Like, how on Earth were those "jokes" approved?! Secondly, the asexual trope of Asian men is still very present in the 21st century. I could not begin to describe how this has damaged the self-image and self-esteem of my wonderful boyfriend, who is Japanese American (he's better now, therapy has helped a lot).
I totally agree! I had no idea the show was so lazily cruel toward both Asian people and trans men, treating both as mockable and less than white cisgender men.
The reason racist ass jokes like these make it on air is because there are only white people in writer's room and in charge of the production. All 3 Rush Hour movies are directed by the same white guy
There is a significant line from the 1991 movie "Boyz n the Hood" where the character Furious Styles stated that "The best way you can kill a people is you take away their ability to reproduce themselves". That is exactly what Hollywood and white Western media has been doing to Asian males for the last century, so much to the extent that even now westernized Asian women typically don't find Asian men to be attractive.
BTS and kpop idols don't necessarily embody more "femininity"- that's just another reiteration of the feminine Asian man stereotype. It's more that they aren't defined by traditional western masculinity tropes and stereotypes and toxic masculine gender roles.
I’ve seen a weird thing of white men getting mad that women find asian men hot. I was talking to my ex friend about a kpop idol I thought was hot and they found it weird and made fun of me for it which was so weird.
@Oricand famous Asian women are way too much operated too, so if you find weird the attraction to operated Asian men, you should know Asian women don't look like idols or Manga. But maybe you have double standards...
I've been watching Asian dramas my whole life so I've always been exposed to Asian men being portrayed as strong, sexy romantic leads. It's crazy how far behind representation in American media is.
Yes! And Kdramas are getting the attention they deserve thanks to...Netflix, ironically. The best one is Mr. Sunshine when it comes to tackling the trope because it empower BOTH men and women and show them being manly and/or badass on screen as well as gentle/classy characters.
@@blueoblivionx Yes! Mr. Sunshine is a Netflix Original Series and I applaud Netflix for bringing this high-quality show from South Korea instead of hiding a gem that is not from the US, out of jealousy.
Reasons why i want to be a screen writer so i can show men of color in a better light. Because this shit is annoying as fuck. Love that you guys bring these issues to the forefront.
@@Goffe909 A good screenwriter treats his audience with respect but does not write in order to please the greatest number except in commissioned, commercial and tasteless films.
@@freebird1721 Then why are all these forced diversity shows so awful? The vast majority of them don't hold up well. Let's put a black man with a white woman, ok that's good enough= diversity 👍.
@@Wisteria_ You must remember a lot of the time Hollywood won't make a film that can't make money in China. Black Panther wasn't popular in China. The Asian market all across Asia rejects it time and time again. I remember when I heard Filipinos saying: "Captain America is going to be black?" They don't want to see that here.
@@Goffe909 Today, the mentality of the population is changing, and that of the audience as well. the studios put more pressure on the screenwriter for more inclusiveness because the audience itself begins to realize the differences between representation on screen. No, the studios are not suddenly invested with a benevolent moral virtue but are aware that if they are shunned by a non-Caucasian / white "part" of the audience this amounts to a considerable loss of hearing and therefore a loss of audience= 'money. (Nowaday a tweet can destroy a career or a film) An inclusive "forced" film will not be good. A film forcing the presence of Caucasian will not be good (see white washing). America is not only white, with all due respect to some. Some films before this inclusive momentum were very good, some inclusive films are too. It must therefore be done naturally and this naturalness comes from the will of the screenwriter during the writing process and the political orientation obligations and commercial strategies of the production companies. But it's true, that the American cinematographic landscape is evolving for 2 main reasons: - In the USA: The demands and social movement irl linked to the change of mentalities - Abroad: the film industry became aware of the enormous enormous pool of dollars represented by certain foreign nations. A choice is imposed on them, whether to continue to export their traditional model or to take into consideration the opinion of the population on their unfavorable representation on the screen. In my humble opinion, the premises of the film Gran Torino (and soon Cry Macho) both interpreted by Clint Easwood interpret the American situation perfectly: pitch: A "conservative" white man of a certain age, routine, sees his perception evolve towards a person of color, even going so far as to put his life in danger to protect him. Here the film is inclusive (in appearance) and meets the Hollywood specifications to the letter. No one wants inclusive mechanical films, but rather inclusive, intelligent, authentic films that show a reality: The inferior is the one who believes himself superior to the others.
thank you for making this, i’ve been dealing with these issues for 50 years as an Asian male. i have always felt my career would have been very different if i was a different skin color even though i’m grateful for all my opportunities. It’s very rare to see; young white males, young white females and even young Asian females attend my classes. Even Asian women reject Asian males and this is seen by marriage statistics. Most AF marry outside of their race. So i feel very fortunate having to hustle a career hopping on one leg and one arm tied behind my back. Thanks for bringing light to these issues.
As a teen I watched a lot of Japanese series subbed online and was crushing hard on the actors...when I talked about that at school I became the weird girl who like Asian guys and therefore must be a lesbian because they looked so "feminine". I was so pissed back then, not because I was called a lesbian, I'm pan, so I don't care about that, I'm also totally supportive of men who actually have a feminine aesthetic, but because they looked at these very attractive masculine men and, just because they weren't the typical American Hollywood jock, called them feminine. I'm very happy that times are changing and especially with all these BTS fangirls, I just wished that I didn't have to listen to people telling me all Asian men look like women back when I was younger. The weirdest thing was: we actually had a guy in our grade whose parents were from China and a couple of girls were into him, so the hypocrisy was real. On the other hand, I'm happy they didn't treat him like they talked about my film crushes. Add: my university boyfriend was half Asian, and I remember him being basically in shock when I told him I thought he was attractive. He told me that nearly no white woman had ever said that, and he thought no woman would ever find him attractive.
I also enjoyed Japanese series because they mostly didn't over sexualize a romantic relationship. They don't need to kiss or making out everytime to make the point that they were in love (or care each other). Asian cinema always really good at making a subtle hint about romance between character (especially if the main theme wasn't romance) and we end up wanting more and crushing hard on the actor.
Also all these BTS fangirls don't fo much good to the non masculine stereotypes with their edits and all these theories of shipping them etc That is a concern
@@quenchtv5436 Most western series used sex/bed scene almost like a mandatory to validate they were couple (but at some point they were cheating anyway)乁( •_• )ㄏ
Shit, the submissive Asian woman one is fucking ridiculous to me. I get that Confucian values were supposed to demand submissiveness in women, but in practice, I haven't met the kind of female doormat that sexist men fantasize about. It's Orientalist bullshit.
Very important and needed topic. Thank you for this video. I'm really tired of portraying Asian men as undesirable and hearing most people saying that Asian men are not attractive to them and that 'it's just their preference'
I'm glad y'all are on this subject!!! I remember being a young black girl and telling people I had a crush on Chow-Yun Fat, Russell Wong, and Ken Watanabe in the mid to late 90's. The looks I got from my friends. That's when I knew that I didn't have a preference when it came to skin color.
I'm white but I remember finding Dustin Nguyen just as attractive as a young Johnny Depp in 21 Jump Street. And a big hell yes to the rest of the names on your list as well.
It always pissed me off that the best looking man on the Big Bang Theory was a bumbling, cringing fool who could not navigate a relationship. I have never, and I know many, met an Indian man who could not hold on an intelligent conversation with either a man or woman and one whose family would not ensure he had a wife from a good family. This is why I enjoy Bollywood, Wong Fu Productions and various other entities by, for, and about Asians. Take all this bigotry out of the equation and let the eastern half of the population tell us who they are. Hollywood's version sucks.
The funny thing is the actor who plays him is married to a beauty queen lol! And he is conventionally attractive, which the show didn't do too good a job of hiding.
Friendly reminder that "asexual" is an identity not an identifier of sexual behavior/sexualization. I like how the video identified it as "emasculated" or I would even say it's the "Desexualized/Celibate Asian Man" stereotype. Asian men are sexy in a variety of ways. So we definitely need the romantic/sexual representation of Asian men, I have a feeling Shang-Chi is going to give us a good one!
i think what the video is pointing out is that asian men are portrayed as asexual (they have no interest in sex) as another way to desexualize them (why bother being sexually attracted to an asian man if he has no interest in se).
@@3XZDgg asexuality is a defined sexual identity. misusing the word to describe desexualization of asian men creates a divide in understanding of stereotypes of asian men and the spectrum of asexuality (experiencing the lack of sexual attraction). we need to criticize language choice in order to make space for the experiences of different kinds of folk
That’s why I like that Kpop is getting a bigger platform in all countries,especially America. We see that Asian men can be sexy and extremely talented. Their giving platforms to Asian men that are affected by this stereotype. Of course this leads to fetishizing, but that’s a whole other problem. And people (specifically men) thinking that the artists look “too much like girls” which they don’t and even if they did it isn’t even an issue.
agreed! i'm overall happy to see asian representation in music since the western music industry really lacks in that department but it's great for asian idols to fight the racist stigmas and break down the barrier. People emasculating male kpop idols are honestly just racist/homophobic, men should be allowed to dye their hair and dance to pop music without it being made fun of or have assumptions made about them. It's really not just about proving that asian men can be desirable but that western ideas of masculinity are old fashion and doesn't make a man more desirable.
I never understood how does any Kpop male idol look like girl? Having crystal clear skin is just a reflection of your hygiene and healthy body. Some complain about the lack of facial hair. Then, why do guys clean shave? Are they less manly. I would never kiss a caveman. They do dance moves fast and swift, have a better stamina. I bet they will run long in bed with better techniques. Something potato couch can never.
@@sapphic.flower exactly feminine men are getting bigger platforms and some kpop artists that are men happen to fall in line with the look. I think these so called “traditional alpha masculine” men are upset and jealous that these guys are swooping in and stealing all the girls hearts 😂 people’s ideas on traditional attractiveness in men and women is changing take Harry Styles for example
@@alannallama3334 I love Kpop, and your comment takes me back to the glam metal heyday of the 80s. Members of bands like Motley Crue, etc would get roasted by other "dudes" for wearing makeup and stuff, but they were the ones getting all the girls! 🤘
The show Crazy Ex-Girlfriend also broke these stereotypes by having the slightly dopey, but good hearted himbo character Josh Chan being the protagonist's main love interest.
Mass media portraits attraction or even admiration to Asian men and woman as being a fetish, like if it was something weird or unusual that other people besides Asians themselves would find them likeable. I mean, it's insane, people is great, attractive, interesting, good, or bad in every culture. Just because everybody doesn't look like Captain America doesn't mean they're ugly.
Nah, It's the same case in Europe too, Have u watched Skins?, a British Series, Where Dev Patel , British Indian actor playing the role of a British Pakistani character Anwar was Stereotyped in this very same way like this video shows, infact Dev Patel even faced Racism and Discrimination from his co actors on set for the Character he was playing.
I'm Asian (Native Okinawan) and some awkwardly common compliments include "you're attractive for an Asian" and even "your eyes don't look that Asian." (I presume they're noticing my double eyelids and/or flirting weird.) I've even gotten the "I never wanted to date an Asian" comment from a few, as we are dating. My beard is also noticed by both genders as something "unusual for an Asian."
Yeah I have seen the ‘you are pretty for a black girl’ ‘compliment’, and ‘oh you are Jewish. But it’s okay I still like you (Something that happened to Sharon Du Bois, an Israeli French TH-camr).
Shang in Mulan (the animated movie) was a big part of my s3xual awakening as a teen. I think he was a good early example of a non-stereotypical Asian man. Okay, he was super good at martial arts but the film is basically about military training and Shang is much more multi-faceted than his physical prowess alone. He is sympathetic due to his compassion struggling with his honour, his very perceivable queerness (Let's Get down to Business To defeat...) and even his embracing of the feminine qualities towards the end of the movie (although he doesn't go full cross-dressing as the three soldiers do).
eastern culture still worships white skin for some weird reason. you see any random white guy in japan and girls look at him like he's a god. it is truly pathetic
I'm not so sure about East Asian cinema, but certainly South Asian cinema comes with its own baggage, particularly its blatant colourism: look at how so many Bollywood sex symbols are relatively light-skinned - John Abraham, Hrithik Roshan, Salman Khan, Varun Dhawan, Siddharth Malhotra...
Wow, Sessue Hayakawa's story is fascinating. Definitely want to watch that biopic. My partner is Vietnamese American, and he's the most ardent, tender, deliriously romantic man I've ever known--He's great at puns too. I love him so much, and I wish I could write a thousand scripts for a thousand movies with a leading man just like him.
Imagine if 16 candles was done from the perspective of Long Duk Dong: a student comes to the Midwest where he puts up with a rude-ass family that can't remember a member's birthday and parties all night. Hey that'd be cool. Kahn (KOTH) is a tricky one: On one hand hes played by a White American, on the other some Asian American groups praised the character for not falling into the wimpy servant trope. He is a flawed character who gets to be relatable. Mr. Miyagi just wanted some free labor and I ain't mad. So when is this channel going to call out the Bridget Jones series for trafficking in anti-Asian stereotypes and unchecked White Fragility and internalized misogyny and how we are supposed to see Bridget (blonde, smaller end of sizes, curves in hourglass shape, passably attractive by most real life measures) as an outlier when it comes to attracting men? Also that her relationships are more toxic than we were led to believe?
Precisely, I'd really like to see Long Duk Dong's reaction to the crazy American family he's staying with, and how THEY seem bizarre to him. That would be a neat flip of perspective.
I'm a Black woman and my husband is Chinese with an Electrical Engineering Masters degree (some would say he fits into the asian nerd stereotype) He told me that he always felt inferior to white and black guys because of the perceived size of packages so to speak, and because he was in HS and he had just come to America, his mood was all over the place. He'd hang out with the wrong people, argue with his mom a lot and kind of be a dickhead because he just felt so emasculated even being around white and black guys. It took him going to college and meeting me ( I had told him that I loved his eyes, and that I thought the almond shape was always so beautiful) and receiving just a small compliment to really open up and be a better version of himself than before We need to show some love to our Asian Men some more!😍
I think it was like that in the books too though. That's why they selected it. Then they paraded it around like a triumph for asian people but it's just doing the EXACT same thing it's ever done.
Read ANY criticism regarding the 2021 Cowboy Bebop and literally the FIRST thing people mention is how terrible Spike was because he "wasn't played by a certain white actor". Like....huh? First Spike is a fictional martian. Secondly, if they bothered to watch it, John Cho absolutely fucking nailed Spike. It's like "choose the right actor for that role". And they did. But he's too Asian for them to accept it.
This is might sound off topic but i literally befriended with someone who fetishized asian man (and yes, kpop idols included), when the moment i showed her a real life asian man she suddenly go "they don't look anything like (insert a male kpop idol here)" 🤧 i guess this is the reasom why that asian men are often potrayed as "ugly" in western movies that i mostly saw.
@@mindoablues that’s true however for average white men there’s like a whole genre of romcoms starring average white men who are a little chubby not airbrushed celebrities and still getting the girl or being fully fleshed out characters with personalities, while Asian men (south Asian too) are constantly put into either the nerd or ripped model trope in my opinion. I feel there should be more representation of asians and ones who don’t fit into one or the other stereotype and are actually the main characters with personalities.
@@mindoablues I would also love to see more racial (and other kinds of) variety on screen. There are plenty of beautiful, cute, attractive people on this planet and they come in all colours, shapes and sizes.
Contemporary Asian women frequently have a "No Asian dating" policy. As an Asian man, almost no one wanted anything to do with me because Asian men do not have the social currency to behave in certain ways. However, I've also lived up to the Asian male stereotype of being a workaholic, doing well in school and making a lot of money now. Look at all of the money I've saved by not dating or ending up in divorce court.
Agree with everything in the video, now over to TikTok where users are hyper-sexualizing Asian actors and pop idols… Or at least some of them are. There’s a certain segment of stans that believe all their favs are shy and awkward around women and I can’t tell if it’s a youth thing or a “puriteen” thing, but it leans into some really problematic areas (in addition to creepy parasocial behaviour and not seeing celebrities as real people)
Zoomers are growing up with a completely different portrayal of Asian males in pop culture compared to previous generations. It's quite astonishing how quickly the pendulum has swung the other way. It speaks to the power of social media and positive representation.
@@nicholashuang5974 Tiktok is a Chinese-owned website! It would benefit them to have Asian men look good (especially with the shortage of brides in Mainland China brought about by that "One Child Policy" crap)! 😁
Jake from American Dragon Jake Long was a personal favorite of mine: He's rebellious, more street-smart than book-smart, has struggles with school like any kid, does physical stuff like skateboarding, camping, and swimming, can be kind of punky, is definitely tough when it comes to a fight, isn't completely effeminate, and his main romance throughout the series is with white girl Rose.
I feel like you made a mistake by not highlighting Josh Chan (played by Vincent Rodriguez III) from Crazy Ex Girlfriend. He is literally the object of desire for the straight cis white female protagonist for about half of the series' run.
Lewis Tan, and the guys who played The Raid: Iko Uwais and Joe Taslim (who also play Bi Han/Sub Zero in recent Mortal Kombat) also do not fit that stereotype. Also Bruce Lee.
I am asian male and grew up in Southern California. My wife is latina American and we have three wonderful mixed but beautiful Asian and Latina kids. I think as society and in our culture, we need to define what true masculinity is. It is more than the portrayal of alpha male type in the movies and in Hollywood. I noticed that I got more attention from women as I became more successful in my career. Still I am very loyal to my first and only wife of 20 years. For me, true masculinity ......is saying no to ones own desires for mid life affair and the (conquer as many women mentality), but stay true to wife of your youth. I had a white boss and when he turned 50, he divorced his wife and left her for some twenty year old in Chilli. Sad and twisted as this was(his kids and family were devastated), this is considered alpha male superiority in our culture. Loyalty, commitment, devotion, unselfish love, compassion, courage to protect, man of his word, provider to others rather than self indulgence to me sign of true masculinity.
I once shook hands with a white girl, and while doing that, unfortunately, I couldn’t hear her family name clearly and therefore held her fingers a few seconds longer when I ask her to repeat it. She was so obviously disgusted by that and I felt offended. After that, I decide that I will never touch a white girl’s hand again.
I love this channel because they bring up topics that exist around us but are ignored everyday
Precisely, we've grown so accustomed to seeing them, that we've simply never questioned them until now.
I am so unpretty 😭 When I go to the bank, they turn the cameras off. At least I am a big star on TH-cam. So don't feel too bad for me, dear ma
Ignored everyday by certain groups -- others are most definitely discussing this.
Ngl I like cheese cause its tasty
LOl Want to have some actual balls? Talk about how white men are CURRENTLY being spoken about in the highest circles of our society. Its fucking genocidal whats about to happen.
I think it’s good we talk about this, when i watched these shows I never really noticed or considered these tropes. So it’s good to see stereotyped communities bring light to these issues
Ditto, I love how the Take makes us question the inclusion of these rampant stereotypes in the Media, and why they're so offensive.
@@trinaq agreed, I don’t think all these portrayals of minorities are meant with malice, but through awareness we can break down walls we didn’t know existed, because feeling excluded from the very society you live in is a horrible feeling.
@dschoe87 never watched it
@@playboimarty I think this is an unfortunate repercussion of stereotypes. Asian men are considered unmasculine and usually not being well endowed, and even though these aren't true, they have reverberated into the dating world. I guess the best evidence I have is that I live in Russia, and Asian men do well for themselves here because this form of humour didn't catch on. They have their own stereotypes here, usually, they are actually considered "too masculine". Weird world huh
You’re so right OP. When you’re not aware of the stereotype it’s easy to just laugh and move on never even realize that you may even be internalizing that racial view or bias. The Take IS really good at that. So much so that when my wife walks through the living room and sees I’m watching a Take on a movie she loves like “Miss Congeniality” her first reaction is “…oh no… what’s wrong with THIS?” It’s an honest reaction because it’s invariably true when they point out the problematic tropes and it can feel like something you loved is getting tarnished. But we’re both of us grateful for the insight so that we can move forward and still appreciate what’s good in those films and tv shows while no longer just accepting the toxic.
I think it's important to know that the answer to de-sexualized Asian men and hypersexualized Asian women isn't to sexualize Asian men more - it's to see and represent all Asian people as multi-faceted and fully realized characters and people.
yup because when you over sexualise Asian men in media you end up with Glen Quagmire from Family Guy
@@lucypreece7581 Ah...
Giggity
exactly, realizing that Asian men can also be sexually and romantically desirable is perfectly fine but there's also a lot of fetishization towards (east) asians nowadays too for example, the real solution is just for people to realize that Asian people aren't a big monolith but a diverse and complex group of people like any other
Part of presenting Asian man as multi-faceted is to make them being seen as sexually/romantically desirable a PART of their identity.
K-pop may also be another offender as much as a good representation. Many fans want to expect Korean and other Asian men to be romantic to them and cute. One Korean TH-camr said that he doesn't like it when that happens.
In Hollywood movies, unicorns are far easier to find than ordinary Asian men.
- by Bruce Lee -
Thanks to the JEWS.
@@drgeek100what do you mean?
@@RagnarLothbrok-n2h who manipulate the production of Hollywood movies ? it is not difficult to find out the answer.
Bruce was and still is, right.
have you seen that unicorn yet?? cause I havent
i said “oh YES” when i saw this in my feed. in the “kiss me more” by doja cat ft sza music video, i loved seeing Alex Landi, a korean-american man, as the love interest!
I know I was also taken aback but happy too. Good for them.
Alex Landi is gonna win Hottest Man Alive in a few years 😤😤😤 BET
I haven’t seen that video but I’m going to look for it now! Also in one of Taylor Swifts videos she has a Korean American as the lead love interest. It’s finally ( slowly) getting better. Although I never understood the whole Asexual Asian trope. I have always found Asian men to be as attractive as any other race of men.
I got that song stuck in my head and wanted to watch the video to get it out so I could focus on my homework. As soon as I saw Alex Landi I gasped because he was one of the most handsome guys I’ve ever seen. It wasn’t until after I finished the video that I realized I didn’t remember the last time I’d seen an Asian man portrayed in such a desirable role and I found it really refreshing. Now that I know the guy’s name I’ll check out more of his work
Ah yes, he is so hot!
The fact that the audience in the screen test reacted badly towards Jet Li kissing a female lead is so disturbing and disgusting.
It sucks. I love the movie and young Jet Li was soooo cute!
He definitely made a great romantic hero. They should have kissed!
Jet Li is so hot too! I don't get it. Its beyond disturbing.
I read about the kiss scene testing and it made me wonder who they tested it with because I saw Romeo Must Die in the theater with a predominantly black audience watching. When that hug scene come up there was an uproar of "What the hell!?!?!?" from both women and men in the theater. Makes me think they only tested it with white audiences.
@@thesimmer2612 I wouldn't be surprised. :(
I think most of the test audience was white. Because when I saw the movie in a black movie theater when it first came out, people were pissed at that hug they had been waiting for a kiss. I was unsatisfying because you could tell it was supposed to be a romance in the movie.
I really hate when people say representation doesn't matter! Hollywood has created so many negative stereotypes of so many POC and we're being shamed for wanting better representation😒
The concept is great for POC (yours truly), but at execution it feels forced especially Star Wars' Rose
Media is a fifth power 💔
Representation doesn't matter. PROPER representation does. I would argue that when white cis men think of "representation", they think of sticking some othered minority group in the movie so everyone can see the diversity is "present", no matter how they are developed. That's not proper representation. It's not enough to be seen on-screen. We need to be seen as nuanced as white characters. Even though I'm assuming that's what you meant, just clarifying.
@@GenerationNextNextNext you're right we need better told stories when it comes to minority characters
@@GenerationNextNextNext i fully agree. that type of casting almost seems worse than no representation at all. it makes people feel like they're an "other" and not considered "normal".
I've noticed this type of "minimal representation" casting for quite some time, starting with Big Brother. Nearly every year out of 12-16 houseguests, there's usually 2 or 3 POC's (increasingly more diverse in later seasons, but not enough until literally THIS year) 1 or 2 stereotypical gay guys, MAYBE a bisexual or lesbian female every few years, and 1 person over the age of like, 40. Not only that, they rarely cast people who aren't considered conventionally attractive.
This year's seasons of BBUS and BBCanada are the most diverse possible, the BBUS house this year is about half POC!
As an Asian-American man approaching middle age, I really appreciated this video. It feels like we’re at a cusp of a sea change but not quite there. But, media representation has vastly improved since my formative years. More awareness the better.
The most important factor for women male preference: height, looks, and race. Despite virtue signaling of American women, they are repulsed by average Asian men. Asian men are the highest earners in America with lowest divorce rate. Even wealth cannot help Asian men! I’m not saying white women must find Asian men attractive or else they are racist, but openly acknowledge racial preferences is okay for any race any gender.
However, I admit there is a growing trend of all races of women (especially among Asian women ironically) find Asian men attractive. Although racial preferences can change, most people subconsciously determine what is attractive or unattractive in adolescence. When I lived in Korea as Asian American man, I noticed the barriers for dating white women there were gone. When white people choose to visit or move to asia, it’s likely they see Asians positively making them distinct to most whites in their native country. If a girl grew up as a fan of kpop, it maybe more likely she may find Asian men attractive regardless of her race.
There is a significant line from the 1991 movie "Boyz n the Hood" where the character Furious Styles stated that "The best way you can kill a people is you take away their ability to reproduce themselves". That is exactly what Hollywood and white Western media has been doing to Asian males for the last century, so much to the extent that even now westernized Asian women typically don't find Asian men to be attractive.
progress popg
Stop pairing Indians with Africans & Oriental males with White girls, a new bad stereotype! 0
Chinese 😁Japanese 😆....
The closest character that I think shatters this trope is Glenn from The Walking Dead. He has a genuine love life, no broken English, and very essential to the story. He was too good and a big favorite to the point where a lot of people stopped watching after his death.
Glen wasn't portrayed as Asian. He was just an ordinary American who happened to be of Asian ancestry.
Mark Grayson from Invincible too, by extension
@@santiagobauza4257 Steven Yuen roles
@@Tom-qp6oh yeah but the character is *Korean*-american. Sometimes character that are portrayed as coming from the Asian Diaspora are assimilated, ya kno? Yes we like rep that shows Asian Americans more in touch w their cultural background, but saying he’s just any american I think is a little reductive. Genuinely the bar is so low for what we accept as good Asian American roles on screen that we’ll accept “decent character with no racist accent who actually contributes to the story even if they’re very Americanized” as like. The best of the best
@@Tom-qp6oh how was he supposed to be in touch with his Korean culture in the middle of a zombie apocalypse? Are asians only valid to you if they seem different from every other American?
Can’t believe they didn’t mention how groundbreaking it was that 1997’s Cinderella movie had a dark skinned black woman as the beautiful princess Cinderella and a filipino actor as the handsome prince. Like that is still a huge movie to many millennials who grew up watching it.
It's quite weird indeed.
Yes!!
@@AnimeArchaeologist whats even crazier is that his mother was black and his dad was white 🤣🤣🤣
I looooved that version of Cinderella! I watched it so many times!
I totally forgot about that
I learned about this in my Asian American History class in college. Asian women are either oversexualized and viewed as "exotic", or submissive, or even portrayed as the villain at times. And how they're always paired with a white man that "saves" them, but Asian men are seen as weak and never paired with a white woman, or any woman for that matter. Just because of the war, as mentioned in the video. They're rarely the lead, and if they are, then it's only for a martial arts movie, but even then, they never have a love interest in movies.
I'm glad that you made a video about it so that more people are aware of this, and not just a tiny group of college students a year.
Together we have to destroy these white supremacist
@@theinvinciblewarrior4132 you can't destroy the view of white person being the better one in society which mostly consist of white people
America has slain a great Fascist only to replace it with an even greater one.
I'm so happy that this kind of stuff actually gets taught in college, maybe there is some hope
@@jayb2705 usually it's only taught in places like california or new york where there are lots of asians that fought for their history to be taught.
Raj was easily the best looking guy on TBBT. They did him so dirty.
I think the actor who played Leonard is not too far behind but yeah, first time I saw Raj's actor out of character made me realize how well they downplayed his looks in the show
It really bummed me out he didn't find love by the end of the show. Even Stewart found someone at the end.
Raj is not even Asian. He is Indian and Indian men do fine in US. They are desired by lot of white and Asian women. Many of my friends are married to white women.
Btw in real life RaJ is married to Miss India.
@@calamorta Leonard outside of his role is stylish as fuck. But yeah in the show Raj was probably the cutest.
As an Asian American male who's seen this since the 80's, I really appreciate you making a video on it. Really well done. I had to share it with my family and friends immediately.
Bruce Lee was still alive during the 80s, right?
@@mayaparamita2254 he died in 73.
@@mayaparamita2254 dear lord man yikes how clueless can people get
bro look at your profile picture. in your case the stereotype is true
Hollywood is racist and owned by racist whhhhtes
What I always found infuriating about Big Bang Theory is that Raj is by far the cutest guy in the main cast. In my opinion he was the only cute one, but they all acted like there was no way he could compete with Leonard.
I completely agree with you over the fact that he is by far the best looking of the bunch. However, and sadly, I found his poor prospects in terms of romantic interest to be realistic. Often attractive people of colour get cast aside for less attractive white people. (South) Asian men are often overlooked by white women no matter how great of a partner they could be in favour of other men (and if I'm not mistaken, the show only introduced white romantic partners, Raj's sister being the exception). Actually, from my observation, Asian men get overlooked by pretty much any woman with a different cultural heritage than them. I'm not sure whether this was a deliberate critique or whether it originated from the writer's own bias, but sadly the show was right on the money in that regards IMHO.
@@nin.-2644 that's a negative feedback loop at that point. The cycle needs to be broken
@@domokato I couldn't agree more.
@@nin.-2644 I agree with you, and I think the issue is that we mainly pay attention to what we are used to. Rather than explaining this in a shitty way, I'll use a personal example to (hopefully) clarify:
For as much as someone can "objectively" be considered attractive, yes, I thought that Raj was the best looking in the group of guys on BBT. But it wasn't until I met and had a very flirtatious dynamic with an Indian friend that I started really noticing the attractiveness of that character, and other men around me of Indian ethnicity. Basically, it was typical for me to pick out the hot white guy b/c I have always lived in a predominantly Caucasian area. So I wasn't *really* looking for anything else but that. When I developed an attraction to an Indian guy, I started noticing people of Indian ethnicity on a more individual level, if that makes sense. And once I became more interested in aspects of Asian culture (especially Hallyu), I found myself paying more individual attention to men of Asian ethnicities than I think I used to. It's like once you broaden your cultural horizons, you don't see people as part of a "collective" anymore.
I really hope I framed that properly. I think seeing different races/ethnicities as a homogeneous group instead of as individuals really is a big part of the problem (guess I could have just said THAT, huh?)😏
never found the show funny at ALL. besides the beetles looking one's open misogyny, them castrating the Indian guy by making him unable to talk to women let me know I didnt miss much without watching
It really bothered me that on The Big Bang Theory, they had Raj, the character who demonstrated the greatest desire to find a meaningful romantic partnership, end up alone even though they went to the trouble of setting up a viable relationship for him in the last season. Also, while not all relationships have to be sexual, I was really disappointed that Aaliyah's character did not end up together with Jet Li's character because it was obvious that it's because he's Asian. I think the same happened in a lot of Jackie Chan's movies.
I was so angry. I was hopeful because they gave Raj a story and a background story but as the show progressed, they made him more and more feminine. I really hated it. And I really hated that he ended up alone 😔. I just knew he was going to come out with a love interest... creepy Howard and neurotic Sheldon got wives.
@@leannewheeler5351 YES!!!! The asexual character ended up in a loving marriage with the prospect of having children some day and Raj has to choose between friends and a girl? 🙄🤦♀️This actor, Kunal Nayyar, in real life is married to a former Miss India. But no, forever the platonic Asian! 😠
Exactly, he was like the least creepy guy of all of them. Also, how they made fun of him for sometimes being slightly feminine?????
I agree with you, but I just want to mention that Jet Li and Jackie Chan are both first top martial artists that became actors later. Meaning they are not great actors. I'm sure if the director really wanted to have a romantic scene with them, he could have had them learn to do it somehow but at the same time, they are not great at doing romantic scenes. But that is not to say there are no Asian actors that can play this role. There are many,.. but Hollywood doesn't cast them. They want to pick the stereotypical asian looking actors, not the one that's going to look better than a non-Asian leading actor.
@@Arkane117 you don't think they are good actors and that's fine. Jackie Chan was sent to an Chinese drama/opera academy where he spent his childhood learning all aspects of performance of which acrobatics and martial arts was just one component (I read his biography) which is what eventually led him to pursue a career in film acting (starting as a stunt extra and moving up to starring roles) so it wasn't a transition from one to the other for him. Jet Li did start in martial arts first, but started acting before he was 20 so he has experience doing it and he isn't without talent IMO (Hero is one movie that comes to mind in which his acting was superb). Both of them have played lead characters with romantic interests when they worked in China so they had the experience with that also before transitioning to the US market. There are also lots of film actors in US cinema that are clearly cast on looks or comedy chops and not acting talent that have had roles depicting romantic relationships (Ashton Cutcher, Kevin James). The video even explained/showed a highlighted titled stating that Jet Li's kiss with Aaliyah wasn't well received by Urban Audiences and I find it hard to believe that it's because they can accept bad acting only if there's no romance. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
Loved the video but I wish it also talked about how when an Asian man is put as the "attractive guy" it's also a mixed Asian man, kinda like when black actresses get opportunities is usually the light skinned ones.
They would call you racist if you point it out.
@@rajeshdevika8827 No they wouldn't, it's been openly discussed on a lot of platforms by Asians and mixed raced Asians.
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Stop pairing Indians with Africans & Oriental males with White girls, a new bad stereotype! 8
Even Crazy Rich Asians fell into this trope. A movie about asian representation, with all asians, meant for asians, but still couldn't help themselves with casting a half-white asian male lead lmao
Another Asian oriented stereotype I detest is the "Asian speaking in Broken English" trope. It seems to be used mostly for cheap laughs, and might not be as commonplace as the media would have you believe.
I can buy language difficulties since studying one is hard. I studied japanese and that language is hard. Same goes for anyone learning english but I do get the frustration of asian stereotypes and broken english. As a filipino man, I can see my relatives speak perfect english or have an accent, and I wish hollywood just shows diversity. Even white folks speaking a different language can butcher the words. Show those moments, hollywood
Yes, I have seen the middle age Asian woman who works in the nail beauty shop with broken English a lot of times in media.
That stereotype rightful not only for Asians, but for all of the emigrants characters non English native speakers. Even British native English accent can seems funny in an American movies.
@@Chris-rg6nm There a newer immigrants and there are Americans of Asian descent whose families have been in the US for generations. It is a stereotype.
@@Chris-rg6nm I think my best experience with this was at a restaurant where the grandfather was the chef, spoke no English at all, still tried to communicate with customers, though.
The parents (middle aged) ran the register, books, etc, and their English was very good, but accented.
Then the kids (teens and early 20s) waited tables and cleaned up, perfectly local accented English (with occasional confusion on something said in Mandarin).
It's realistic, but Hollywood doesn't depict anything with that much nuance.
Thank you for creating this. As a Black woman married to an Asian man, I appreciate this conversation so much 🙏🏾🖤
The little boy in UP, I didn't even suspect he was Asian until the end when they did a quick look at his mom. I kinda wish they made it more clear.
@@user-uy1rg8td1v yeah I was kinda surprised as well tbh
Thanks! Black women hopefully get their justice too here as well! 🤗
I'm pretty sure it's small 🤣
Your husband is a lucky man 😉
For about five years, I lived in Tokyo and dated mostly Japanese men. The reactions that I got from white males, even those living in Japan and dating Japanese women, were always incredulous. I can't even count the number of times I've had people question my Asian partners' sexuality or masculinity. The idea that Asian men can't be sexy is totally baffling to me; my experiences DEFINITELY suggest otherwise.
I just don't know why white men have to be that hypocritical (disliking that you're with a Japanese man but they're with Japanese women) and use stereotypes. I noticed that whenever I'm friends with white guys, it's never the ones who date Asian women (they tend to be the most racist white guys). In addition, I noticed that a lot of white men like my father tend to be immature and impatient with family members when they're married to Asians, it's really unfortunate and I wish they just didn't exist.
@@dako6141 That sounds like a challenging thing to experience. :( I completely agree; the hypocrisy is downright upsetting, and it's just further proof of how damaging Western depictions of Asian men and women can be.
@@megh2890 I think those white men (and other non-Asian men) need to mind the business that pays them and stop harassing white women who happen to be in genuine, loving relationships with Asian men. I usually ignore Hollywood movies that involve caricatures of Asians in some way/shape/form and go straight to K-dramas or other Asian drama, which lack the damaging stereotypes about Asian men that we're constantly bombarded w/ in America.
@6889 It's usually racist white men and self-hating Asian women
@Alice J true even I have 👀 2 renowned Korean girl youtubers blatantly told the international viewers not to come to Korea lol. Asian girls are the real hypocrite here. They feel entitled to both asian men and white men in Asia and America respectively
Fortunately, many Asian nations have their own great vibrant film industries that do just fine outside of Hollywood.
exactly
@greas Wyq I don’t think it is not helpful. Asian particularly Korean film and music industries are getting popular in some western countries, including US. Of course it is still at early stage as compared to Hollywood, but it does contribute to building up a positive and real image of Asian Men.
@greas Wyq squid game is first worldwide on netflix as we speak
I may be shallow af but I feel like korean movie stars are gorgeous people whereas hollywood asian actors are just meh
@@shyofshyness That’s why so many people agree there is a systemic discrimination against Asian men in US. In North America, Asian men are not only underrepresented but also vilified by media as weak and unattractive men.
Surprised nobody in the comments is mentioning Jason Mendoza from The Good Place as an example of male Asian rep that walks a good balance of giving the character nuance & humor while showing the actor as the handsome & attractive man that he is. Manny Jacinto is Filipino excellence!
True! They always mentioned his good looks throughout the show
@@inajai6422 I always appreciated that he’s considered desirable by many characters even tho he’s a lovable idiot! He’s fun & I appreciate that he subverts stereotypes abt Asian men in other ways by being emotionally intelligent & not being a total brainiac bc those are also the stereotypes that contribute to the des*xualization of Asian men in general. Gotten love Jason Mendoza
Omg I LOVED Jason. Especially his first lines when he's like "Everyday thinks I'm Chinese when I'm actually Filipino. Heaven is racist!" Lmao gets me every time.
He is amazing!
Jacksonville Jaguars rule!!!
Even before The Walking Dead, Lost did a great job of allowing Asians to be Asian but have individual personalities. Sun and Sayid were (beyond) handsome and immensely multilayered. Especially Jin, Daniel Dae Kim. His character literally had to perform completely in Korean but interact with the entire cast English speakers while only had one other person that understood Korean, Sun, his character's wife.
My favorite Role for Daniel Dae Kim is still Johnny Gat.
I think you mean Daniel Dae Kim played Jin.
Can we talk about Brian tee and sung kang.
@@shalini_sevani this is literally what they said.
Yes I definitely had a crush on Sayid and Jin ahaha
Ancient India: creates Kamasutra.
American sitcoms to Asian characters: We can't let you have sex??? All we can give you is terrible accent.. Bwah hahaha.
Unfortunately this video focuses on more on east asians and not south east asians. Not hating on the video it's just not a part of the conversation and I understand
@@sho3bum The stereotypical accent they gave us and the new bobs and vegane narrative is so damaging to the image of South Asian men. If there's a chart then south asian men will be at the bottom because the whole of the west think we are gonna ask for nudes. Either we are the nerdy science guys, weird indian uncle or people from slums. We seriously need better representation in hollywood.
Well to be fair, the narrative of south Asian men showing predatory behaviors towards women on the internet is a reflection of exactly what has been happening in life provided with countless evidences. That narrative wasn’t born with the intention to emasculate south Asian man initially, but to warn other women/victim to be wary and pay caution. And because so many women has experienced it, which results in people subconsciously form a negative impression in their mind due to the collective behavior of that group. The media didn’t invent this narrative, it’s much more of south Asian man’s own doing, similar to the case of “Karen” etc
@@summerhoang I agree to a certain extent; this video talks about comedy SE Asian men, but there are other issues in there. There have been unfortunately real problems with people being coerced to join terrorist organizations, for example. That isn't the only narrative for all Asian relationships, of course, but misogyny and 'control issues' can still be there, especially around arranged marriage. Not to say that European relationships don't have their cultural issues either, just that this video would seem to miss that nuance. A film like 'The Big Sick' was actually made by a Pakistani man about his experiences, for example, that is surely more nuanced, it talks about him moving away from some aspects of his culture. Some Asian women disliked its representation of them, that it repeated stereotypes about them and arranged marriage etc. but I do feel it does start a conversation, not only about internalized racism but also learning from Western cultures.
@@summerhoang well to be fair, predatory men exist in all cultures and when it pertains to South Asian men, there's a very good case to be made for repressed sexuality. The society as a whole has failed to teach men in India how to behave. And it's sad really. Right from when the British came in with certain regressive laws about what's considered norm in terms of sexuality(I know they banned certain regressive Indian practices like sati) everything is leaning far right in India today. And the representation in American sitcoms doesn't help. I think the big sick is probably the best portrayal of a middle aged South Asian man.
Asian men are not masculine
Men who fought
Vietnam war: 👁️👄👁️
Korean war:👁️👄👁️
World War 2 (Indian men) : 👁️👄👁️
White men gotta cope after being traumatized by all the Asians they faced during those wars.
@@EzioIlMentore I'm Viet and my grandpa was a South Vietnam bomber pilot during the war
@@EzioIlMentore You know asians fought alongside white men in those wars too right?? Especially in the Korean war which was basically a civil war between the two Koreas and WW2 too which was basically all Asia and white men against the japanese
@@okpo2596 And those wars were major racism factories for white men. You're a fool if you think they actually somehow respected the Asians they fought alongside with.
@@okpo2596 Like the Hmong people who helped the USA with promises to take care of them after the war, then the USA abandoned them.
As a black man in the US, I'm always happy to see our progress constantly being pushed forward. But I also want to see our Asian Brothers treated like men.
I constantly see them being treated as if they're undesirable, whether it be jokes about their manhood or their masculinity, down to the point that some resort to self-deprecating comedy when I can tell they really don't want to deal with this. Just like media can be used to normalize different sexualities and different mentalities, we need to use media and entertainment to normalize the masculinity of so many of our Asian brothers.
Speaking up, as "the nail that sticks out," is how change always occurs.
Thank you.
Thank you for the support my fellow African-American brother
Facts, As an Asian guy I'm happy to see that lots of different people are getting progress such as those of African descent or even LGBTQ folk, but it seems to me that Asians and Hispanics don't really have progress? We're all invisible stereotypes even though we are a large minority in the world in general.
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Well said dude
Please do a video on how black woman, but mostly dark skin black woman, rarely get love interest or how they fall under the disposable girlfriend trope, making audiences see them as undesirable or desexualizing them.
Or hyper-sexualizing
None are good
@@Rebelheart1985 true. Black women are somehow both hypersexualize yet desexualize at the same time.
Yes!
Don't forget about how dark skinned black women are also constantly masculinized.😔
I'd love to see a video on that!
2 Broke Girls was very offensive to Han
I remember when one of the girls insulted the Asian man, the other girl said that she need to be careful not to hurt his feelings or he’d kill himself with a sword.
My jaw dropped. I never watched that show again. And they didn’t treat the old Black man much better.
@@SpartanManchie And to think Michael Patrick King made that show who has made Sex and the City.
@ParticularlyGoodFinder Almost wish they'd chosen other moments. Didn't realize I was signing up to hear so many transphobic jokes with my morning coffee. Appreciate these kinds of things are being critiqued these days though!
@@pawanthakur-df2yk I've seen Sex and the City... I'm not surprised
@ParticularlyGoodFinder my god it’s supposed to be a light hearted comedy show. Even Japanese tv show make fun of seppuku
It always bothered me when I was watching Big Bang Theory that how Raj was shown always awkward, unable to talk to women, unable to have any romantic relationship and how feminine he was. But on the other hand, when his sister Priya was introduced, she immediately gets Leonard, her persona is just great, she is a successful, intelligent lawyer, capable of having all the extroversive qualities. How desirable she was as an Indian woman, how masculine she was and how horrible Raj was, as an Indian man who never saw a woman in his entire life. I couldn't enjoy the show after that. It wouldn't have hurt them to show Raj as more confident, funny and a lot less awkward.
Actually,it would have hurt them to show him otherwise. Asian male in the west are stereotypically potrayed for the sole purpose of making them a subject of Ridicule, Mockery and Insult. They always potray them as Ugly, Nerdy, Geeky, Unattractive, Wimpy, Whiny, Cowardly, Uncharismatic, Incompetent, and all about "academics". Always, a goofy sidekick, comedic relief and even worse a mere Taxi driver with a funny accent or broken english, among the leading White Caucasian Male lead. South Asian males are even told to to do the Hollywood 's sterotypical version of South Asian accent for the sole purpose of Ridicule and to make them a butt of jokes, further desexualizing them more. And Honestly, Kunal Nayyar (Raj) wouldn't even get a role here In India, not even for advertisement. Coz he is not at all good looking nor is he a good actor. Western people loved him in the BBT, coz the loved laughing at him.
He was confident, funny, and less awkward when he was drunk (unfortunately).
What do you mean by never saw a woman
Chinese 😁Japanese 😆....
My late husband was gorgeous, sexy, charismatic and Japanese American. I should be happy that he was looked over, or I may not have had a chance at true love. ♥️
condolences to your late husband
Rest in peace.
im sorry for your loss
lol everytime when an asian man find love, he somehow die lol.
400th 👍
My only critique is you missed how this trope is also internalized by Asian Women as well as Asian men. They may have their own cultural reasons why they don't wanna date Asian guys, but a lot of Western born/raised Asian women have grown up on a steady diet of this trope and it works just as well on them as it does on any white or black person.
Agreed! Good point.
Yes. In many Asian communities Asian girls and Asian boys both refuse to date each other, and now there is growing resentment between them.
@Duck duck goose goose oh no. They're slipping into some Black stuff?🤦🏾♂️ That's OK. We know THEY'LL eventually get it together.
@@anoushkashenoy692 that’s really sad to know. I hope all non-white people can just accept the fact that these things were not made for us but by whi!te supr€mac!sts (mostly) and will always have a sinister/bias undertone to it (if/when they do include us). Self-acceptance is key!!
@@anoushkashenoy692 More like Asian girls not wanting to date Asian guys and Asian guys being left to try other places due to it
having an accent is quite the opposite of dumb; it means this person speaks at least two languages
Ehhh, not necessarily. You can have a regional accent. Sorry for the nitpick. :p Otherwise, I generally agree. I respect someone who speaks multiple languages.
@@Nightriser271828 That would be a dialect. Though various dialects are almost unintelligable in my native language.
Then why is Russian considered a Rival to American English? Because the Russians can flatline the US in 20 minutes by their nuclear weapons alone. India, Pakistan, China, Japan and S.Korea can’t even touch the US. There is a reason why Russia is seen as a rival but still respected more than any model minority.
Nah, accent is what you get depending on where you live, you have it regardless on the number of languages you know. It just may make a contrast when you live in a different country and use the regional language, while keeping your regional accent. Because it's actually more difficult to learn foreign accent than language itself.
“I am an American and I don’t have an accent.”
Asian American have not realised that if they continue to follow the game rule, they will never win because the game is RIGGED.
My word to Asian American dude: No need to act like a white guy and think like a white guy. Be proud of your own ethnicity. And most importantly try to learn somethings from your fellow from Asia. They are changing the game rule which may ultimately help you to escape from the dilemma.
Yeah, asian people living in west still behave 10-15 years backward than their asian origin countries.
They don't change their culture with time like people living in Asia do
I'm glad they talked about "The Love Birds". I was pleasantly shocked that the couple in question consisted of a black woman and a Pakistani man. It was really refreshing to see. It also gave me hope. Since black woman aren't considered conventionally attractive (especially dark-skinned ones like myself), it gave me a bit of hope.
Same! I loved that movie.
Go watch OLD just came out
Well tbh there are two type of black women, Gorgeous or Tyrone. I’ve yet to meet a black click who is in between and the few who I am attracted to are str8 up gorgeous. Nothing racist, just pointing that we men like feminine looking women for the most part, nothing to do with color as much as the hwite media makes you want to think. I’m Pakistani BTW.
@@harrisn3693 You are racist and your view of Black women is based on your racial bias and stereotypes of us. The majority of ALL races are normal/decent looking to cute, including Black women. If Black women were portrayed with the same diverse range in character and womanhood as white women were, your views would be different.
Issa Rae intentionally made the interracial relationship not include a white person.
I think that's why Rush Hour is one of my favorite movies. I don't have to get into it too much, but Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan's on-screen chemistry and the fact that they're co-leads with neither one feeling like the "sidekick" or subordinate to the other.
Besides it's buddy cop comedy and clearly plays a lot of stereotypes, so for comedy it's not an issue
@Lindsey Bailes Rush Hour had a lot of problems for sure, and the racist jokes were so...fucking...many. But Chan's character was suave, intelligent, somewhat open-minded and got an on-screen kiss with a smoking hot agent. He was allowed to make mistakes, too. He also recognised that, while annoying & reckless, Chris Tucker's character wasn't actually dumb. Lee was a great character. But the racism was BS.
@@FabalociousDee Rush Hour still had a generic Asian villain, played by
Ken Leung. Ken did get to star in a romance movie with Hayden Pannettiere in 2007's Shanghai Kiss, though.
@@RossLarson True. Rush Hour had a LOT of problems still, no denying that.
I mean they are both minorities. Let’s be honest, if it was a white man and an asian man or a black man, I’m pretty sure the white man would’ve been the main character
I also loved how Filipino-American Vincent Rodriguez III as Josh was depicted as the love interest in crazy ex girlfriend. Not as a stereotype, just as a (bit slow) hot dude.
This needs to be upvoted more. It’s shameful that the didn’t seem to include Filipino representation in a video about Asian stereotyping
@@michellewilson5224 While watching this video, it showed a clip of Ned from 'Spider Man: Homecoming', who IS Filipino. But that's about it.
Chinese 😁Japanese 😆....
Sessue Hayakawa was gorgeous! This content is so great! Some of the examples in the video were so offensive and unrealistic. I know in the african american community we have ongoing issues with media representation and harmful negative stereotypes but I appreciate other culture struggles as well more and more
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jesus christ i'm so glad i never watched 2 broke girls, how did that poor actor survive that?
Right? I was thinking I might get around to watching it someday… now it’s totally crossed off my list. How can people find super hot girls mocking a regular looking Asian guy entertaining? Does it make their manhoods feel larger? Seriously though, that dialog and scenarios are a complete waste of that actors talent. If he wasn’t such an incredibly good comedy actor, those scenes would be just depressing.
@@snowfoxxie Even if he wasn't asian, it it's still not fun or entertaining watching a series where a human-being is mistreated, mocked and disrespected all the time as a form of comedy, it's really not funny.
Yeah… really glad I never tried that show. What terrible writing!
It's like the show itself is a high school bully and everyone is ok with it.
That show is almost like Step N Fetchit or Amos & Andy in regard to its treatment of that Asian character.
I’m glad conversations are had about racial stereotypes differing on the gender of the person. Not enough people understand that every racialized stereotype materializes differently depending on gender.
We gon' talk about how they didn't give Shang-Chi a love interest in his own movie unlike any other Marvel male lead?🤦🏾♂️
Maaaaybe Disney wants to make him their 12th “first gay character” or something
Yesssssss I totally noticed that!
I rather like the fact that they did not spell it out that the relation is romantic. That in fact makes his reality quite relatably human. And I do believe Marvel is keeping the ground upon for romance for Shang Chi.
His father certainly had a romantic story, which is a big improvement upon the original image of the 'Mandarin'.
Maybe he'll have a love interest in the upcoming films.
C'mon. Romance is never the center point of marvel movies. Even Thor has no love interest for quite a long time. Most of them do really.
you might not hearing this very often, but thank you very much to mentioning us the Asian men and represent us so the world could see us as valuable as any other men. because we were pretty much did not fulfill any dating criteria nowadays or see us as the men who worth dating (being yellow, below 6 feet and being a laughing stock). it is hard for us to be able to date women while on the other hand, our Asian women starts to adore more non-Asian men and even make fun of us. so again, thank you for making this video about us, the Asian men.
yeah, shit sux
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Josh from Crazy ex-girlfriend also breaks the pattern in a way worth mentioning.
I watch lots of TV shows and crazy ex girlfriend really stood out for his portrayal of a Filipino man. I was grateful for this variety. I think more TV shows should follow the example
@@silviaetna9874 you can go to Netflix and watch various movies from all over the world
Lewis Tan, and the guys who played The Raid: Iko Uwais and Joe Taslim (who also play Bi Han/Sub Zero in recent Mortal Kombat) also do not fit that stereotype. Also Bruce Lee.
Dont even bother, thesse trend surfers, will never FULLY cover that show, aside from the ocational lip service here & there I asume casue it didnt hit big with audiences as opossed to rick & morty & game of thrones
Yes!
This happens to black women as well just in the opposite way. We are masculinized and portrayed as less desirable.
I once commented to a black man I worked with (I'm white) that I found black women attractive and his comment was black women are too bossy.
I don't get that stereotype tbh. Always seen feminine and beautiful black women.
You can never compare the experiences of men and women because the male and female value in the dating market is very different. Women of all races will have an easier time than men of all races. A white girl will have an easier time than a white dude, and a black woman will have an easier time than a black dude. Most guys are not as choosy as females. Guys will get with the most average-looking girl, but girls want only the top 10% of men. This is a fact.
@@ezra5788 Even though women generally have an easier time, there's no denying that the self esteem of women are heavily impacted by public perceptions. It's the Black women who are en masse wearing the hair of Eurasians on their heads that look nothing like their own, not Black men. Also, obviously men below the top 10% are getting women. Dating app statistics can't always be applied to the general population. In truth, everyone wants to date the best, but can only settle with what they can get. But even with that said, emotional attachments are built.
@@TonyMishima92 Yeah all true, but at the end of the day, an average-looking woman will get more dates than a good-looking guy. Dating is wayyy harder as a dude than as a woman. Women have more sexual market value than men. There is a reason over 90% of po*n is focused on female stars, not the dudes. Attractive black women will have no problem getting dudes, but for Asian men it is much more difficult.
It’s obviously too early to tell at this point, but I wonder how much Marvel’s Shang-Chi will play into and/or subvert this trope.
One is that if the hero is asian, the villain cant be white ever. This has been documented that white producers actively sabotage the movie into having this dynamic
I know the actor Simu Liu from the Canadian sitcom, "Kim's Convenience," where he played Jung: the attractive bad boy with a big dorky/sweet side. I kinda hope he keeps a similar characterization in the film. Jung was so relatable/well-rounded :)
Book version Shang-Chi is straight up Bruce Lee meets James Bond. They'll have to fuck him up pretty hard to turn him this way.
Considering the lead worked with and defended that guy with hate crimes against Asian people on his record I'm not expecting much. He sold out on his principles so damn fast.
@@Lionbruh what??
Constant rejection made me this way, im 2nd gen Indian American and 5’5 born in the southern us post 9-11, in my early 20’s and high school I was constantly rejected which made me bitter and jaded and I don’t talk to anyone in general. Idc if I’m alone and weird it’s peaceful.
@one2three4five6 aha, classic if you can't get that atleast you can get someone who wants a visa.
Is his life about working as an trafficker(don't ask about this word I said it in a hyperbole)
Steven Yeun's been having a hell of a star turn over the last few years.
When Bruce Lee refuses the services of women in Enter the Dragon, it is because he is disciplined as a student of Shaolin. This is in stark contrast to Han, who was kidnapping, drugging and killing the girls on the island.
Ya, that was the one point I didn’t get in this video. He wasn’t overly objectifying women and some how that de-sexualizes him? I don’t get that
Plus Shang Tsung had a hard on for Sonya in the MK movie
Yeah, this video doesn't entirely get things, because there is a big difference between a character being presented as asexual, and a character being presented as sexually undesirable.
Yes, I had read that scene as meaning to depict him as having an honorable character in contrast the others who were depicted as slimey douches. That's my reading anyway.
@@Rebelheart1985 Yoh! Thought I was the only one who saw it
Those clips from Two Broke Girls genuinely set my teeth on edge! Can’t believe how badly it’s aged, but hopeful that jokes like that would never be given the green light now.
Yeah like let's make some scenes about bullying, but write the show from the perspective of the bully. First time I've seen it, but it's incredibly low. I can't believe how recent it was.
There is a significant line from the 1991 movie "Boyz n the Hood" where the character Furious Styles stated that "The best way you can kill a people is you take away their ability to reproduce themselves". That is exactly what Hollywood and white Western media has been doing to Asian males for the last century, so much to the extent that even now westernized Asian women typically don't see Asian men as attractive.
@@OVI-Wan-Kenobi-8 Yes, this is exactly what it is. That's the nail on the head. It's a precursive genocide. It's an attack on our image as mates because white/jewish men feel threatened and rather than let women make up their own minds they want to play dirty with propaganda tactics.
Hollywood is racist propaganda. It will never change.
hopefilly
As a black man i thought i was the only one that noticed or even cared about how Asians are never able to be in masculine roles in Hollywood..
This is why I was so hype for that ninja assassin movie...
Asain gangster movies are awesome too..
I'm so obsessed with this channel and these videos, as an Asian, this one is giving me life
I'm latina married to asian man. I can tell you, best decision of my life❤️
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Same exact thing here! 🇻🇳 🇵🇷
*ASEXUAL is really not the word you were looking for.*
Don't get me wrong, the video is very good, but 'asexual' refers to an already marginalized and almost invisible sexuality -- that, by the way, has little to do with the stereotypes, besides unfortunately being portraited by some of them as well. By banalizing the word, what you guys ended up doing here, by accident, I'm certain, was making sure this minority remains invisible to the larger audience. Desexualized, emasculated etc fit what you were going for much better.
I'm sure people from this minority would be glad to not see any more misrepresentations.
Yeah, this bugged me a bit, mainly because I expect The Take to know better
Yeah; I'm asexual, and that was sorta weird to me. I understood what they meant, but agree that it wasn't the best choice of words.
Thank you!! Was looking for this!
glad dog eat dog still strong on this side of the fence
@ParticularlyGoodFinder caedsexual specifically refers to someone who no longer experiences sexual attraction due to sexual trauma or PTSD. I don’t think this is an appropriate label for Dumbledore because he had no sexual trauma or ptsd. He had generally traumatic experiences but not the kind that would qualify him for caedsexuality. (Caedsexuality mostly applies to survivors of SA). If you really wanted to make the argument for Dumbledore’s asexuality, a better term would be erasexual, which is when a person’s sexual attraction partly or fully vanishes over time. However, I personally take issue with labeling Dumbledore as any form of asexual because he never actually talks about any ace experiences. The last thing we need is another identity for JK to tack on to her characters without ever doing the work of actually writing a queer character.
Sexual repression, on the other hand, is when a person still experiences sexual attraction but chooses to ignore/suppress those feelings. I have no qualms with people calling Dumbledore sexually repressed, cause it’s an action, not an identity.
Thank you for speaking about this. It's long overdue.
What's interesting is that this is more of a western thing. When you watch dramas or music videos from Asia (especially South Korea) every Asian guy is perceived hot or desirable.
True basically that it’s more common in USA
Albeit overmasculinezed especially in bollywood movies
This channel is geared towards US/Western social issues, although some issues apply to an international audience, but a lit of the topics are kinda based on Hollywood and American Media.
@@mindoablues While that’s true, a lot of people don’t watch foreign media and absorb these harmful stereotypes from American TV.
People portray their own as desirable? Stop the presses.
Please cover the "Yellowface" trope, or hiring white actors to play characters of colour. The most infamous example would definitely be Mickey Rooney in "Breakfast at Tiffany's."
Or the Mexican Ricardo Montalban as the Japanese kabuki actor Nakamura in _Sayonara_
Or Ghost in the shell, live action.
I think they might have done a video about that already? I definitely remember seeing one.
Honorable mentions go to:
Katherine Hepburn - and every other main character! - in The Good Earth (1937)
John Wayne as Genghis Khan (at least he didn't attempt an accent)
Emma Stone in Aloha (oh you're half Vietnamese, suuuuure ...)
@@sophiabalounsi7832 that was not yellowface was whitewashing look it up
I can't believe the totally unfunny and completely offensive "Two Broke Girls" ever got the green light, let alone run as long as it did. I'm pretty sure it is even still in syndication. People complain about shows from the 90s, such as Friends, not holding up well in some social instances. 2 Broke Girls is much newer than Friends and seems to get a pass. It is also way worse than most of the 90s shows ever were. How has this happened?
That show was such a mess, stereotyping every single character on that show
Trust me, there are some pop culture that get fairly criticized and some that seem to escape (i.e. Bridget Jones's Diary which traffics in many of the tropes that The Take has critiqued and yet when it had its video here, escaped criticism)
@@lubhanshkohli6543
If it's a joke, why it is not funny?
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 likr how? What are the criticisms?
Birth of a Nation exist……..shitty media always will exist and get green lighted
It's sad because Raj in real life married a genuine supermodel. He's by far the sexiest man on that show,to the point that, if he had a Hollywood regime, he could play the character of the masculine man(Did you see Kumail nanjiani?). And even jet Li, the man is a martial arts specialist. he's masculine as masculine gets. Its an honor to have a great role for him. But I do see the waves of change happening. BTS breaking into the scene, Kumail najiani playing the role of a literal god and Shang Chi s managing to break the stereotype. Kudos to MARVEL!
huh, really? marvel usually sucks
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What Kudos, Nanjiani still played the role of a sterotypical Bollywood actor in eternals, and dopinder from Deadpool is another Stereotype.
@@RabiyaRavenclawExactly. The industry feeds them scraps and it’s as if all sins are forgotten.
Indians feel more like a mix between EVERY race soooo... hard to say certain people represent really.
The Take dropping those good-ass takes, as usual.
I'm not even full asian, just half asian, but it's still quite amazing how much media tropes affect women's perception of me. I was born and raised in Sweden but have only dated 2 white girls, both of whom were into k-pop, while having dated a lot more asian women. My ex-girlfriend told me that she had asked 4 of her white friends, and all of them said that they wouldn't date an asian guy, no matter how good-looking. And I feel this myself when interacting with women of different ethnicities. The difference in their attraction towards me is very noticable. There is little doubt that media and movie tropes play a heavy role in this.
Women with race dating restrictions are not very smart or interesting, so not a big loss.
Finally, having asian background is quite an advantage in dating, because you gather interesting girl and pull away the alienated ones.
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First of all, having never seen "2 Broke Girls", those segments are THE most offensive contemporary treatment of an Asian male I have seen. Like, how on Earth were those "jokes" approved?! Secondly, the asexual trope of Asian men is still very present in the 21st century. I could not begin to describe how this has damaged the self-image and self-esteem of my wonderful boyfriend, who is Japanese American (he's better now, therapy has helped a lot).
I salute you for REFUSING that Hollyweird brainwashing! 🍻
I totally agree! I had no idea the show was so lazily cruel toward both Asian people and trans men, treating both as mockable and less than white cisgender men.
The show was awful as hell. Very lazy writing that resorted to stereotype a lot.
The reason racist ass jokes like these make it on air is because there are only white people in writer's room and in charge of the production. All 3 Rush Hour movies are directed by the same white guy
There is a significant line from the 1991 movie "Boyz n the Hood" where the character Furious Styles stated that "The best way you can kill a people is you take away their ability to reproduce themselves". That is exactly what Hollywood and white Western media has been doing to Asian males for the last century, so much to the extent that even now westernized Asian women typically don't find Asian men to be attractive.
God Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s haunts me to this day. Absolutely had no respect for that man.
All of his scenes in the movie could be edited out and NOTHING would be lost.
I'd never seen that before, hate him now.
F***ing HATE that movie.
He literally had been doing this kind of stuff since he was a baby😂😂 he's done worse. I don't see you making movies or series
@@mewesquirrel6720 What does the commenter saying they don't like Mickey Rooney have anything to do with making movies or series?
BTS and kpop idols don't necessarily embody more "femininity"- that's just another reiteration of the feminine Asian man stereotype. It's more that they aren't defined by traditional western masculinity tropes and stereotypes and toxic masculine gender roles.
Be quiet..... globalization is abhorrent
tbf one diraction justin beaver and hary styles and that kiinda crap get crap too
@@narwal8432 why is a child here?
There is no toxic mansculinity. only toxic women who generalises Men.
@@Acetvn-kg6ty me when I got brainwashed by toxic masculinity
I’ve seen a weird thing of white men getting mad that women find asian men hot.
I was talking to my ex friend about a kpop idol I thought was hot and they found it weird and made fun of me for it which was so weird.
Very true. And Asian women think it's weird to find Asian men hot.
@Oricand famous Asian women are way too much operated too, so if you find weird the attraction to operated Asian men, you should know Asian women don't look like idols or Manga. But maybe you have double standards...
Asian men are handsome. In Europe we know better.
Same experience. Just plain jealousy and shock I guess since KPOP took over real fast
They are usually very toxic guys and think women, esp asian women, as their belongings, so they get mad when someone else try to take it from them
I've been watching Asian dramas my whole life so I've always been exposed to Asian men being portrayed as strong, sexy romantic leads. It's crazy how far behind representation in American media is.
Yes! And Kdramas are getting the attention they deserve thanks to...Netflix, ironically. The best one is Mr. Sunshine when it comes to tackling the trope because it empower BOTH men and women and show them being manly and/or badass on screen as well as gentle/classy characters.
Asian media is better at representing Asian than non-Asian media. Quelle surprise.
@@belle-ashton2167 So true! It definitely helps expose the shows to people who wouldn’t normally watch :)
@@blueoblivionx Yes! Mr. Sunshine is a Netflix Original Series and I applaud Netflix for bringing this high-quality show from South Korea instead of hiding a gem that is not from the US, out of jealousy.
@@belle-ashton2167 yes but i believe its from tvn and netflix only helped in the distribution worldwide
Reasons why i want to be a screen writer so i can show men of color in a better light. Because this shit is annoying as fuck. Love that you guys bring these issues to the forefront.
But will studios and audiences appreciate it. Or will it be viewed as token?
@@Goffe909
A good screenwriter treats his audience with respect but does not write in order to please the greatest number except in commissioned, commercial and tasteless films.
@@freebird1721 Then why are all these forced diversity shows so awful? The vast majority of them don't hold up well. Let's put a black man with a white woman, ok that's good enough= diversity 👍.
@@Wisteria_ You must remember a lot of the time Hollywood won't make a film that can't make money in China. Black Panther wasn't popular in China. The Asian market all across Asia rejects it time and time again. I remember when I heard Filipinos saying: "Captain America is going to be black?" They don't want to see that here.
@@Goffe909 Today, the mentality of the population is changing, and that of the audience as well.
the studios put more pressure on the screenwriter for more inclusiveness because the audience itself begins to realize the differences between representation on screen.
No, the studios are not suddenly invested with a benevolent moral virtue but are aware that if they are shunned by a non-Caucasian / white "part" of the audience this amounts to a considerable loss of hearing and therefore a loss of audience= 'money.
(Nowaday a tweet can destroy a career or a film)
An inclusive "forced" film will not be good. A film forcing the presence of Caucasian will not be good (see white washing). America is not only white, with all due respect to some.
Some films before this inclusive momentum were very good, some inclusive films are too.
It must therefore be done naturally and this naturalness comes from the will of the screenwriter during the writing process and the political orientation obligations and commercial strategies of the production companies.
But it's true, that the American cinematographic landscape is evolving for 2 main reasons:
- In the USA: The demands and social movement irl linked to the change of mentalities
- Abroad: the film industry became aware of the enormous enormous pool of dollars represented by certain foreign nations.
A choice is imposed on them, whether to continue to export their traditional model or to take into consideration the opinion of the population on their unfavorable representation on the screen.
In my humble opinion, the premises of the film Gran Torino (and soon Cry Macho) both interpreted by Clint Easwood interpret the American situation perfectly:
pitch:
A "conservative" white man of a certain age, routine, sees his perception evolve towards a person of color, even going so far as to put his life in danger to protect him.
Here the film is inclusive (in appearance) and meets the Hollywood specifications to the letter.
No one wants inclusive mechanical films, but rather inclusive, intelligent, authentic films that show a reality: The inferior is the one who believes himself superior to the others.
thank you for making this, i’ve been dealing with these issues for 50 years as an Asian male. i have always felt my career would have been very different if i was a different skin color even though i’m grateful for all my opportunities. It’s very rare to see; young white males, young white females and even young Asian females attend my classes. Even Asian women reject Asian males and this is seen by marriage statistics. Most AF marry outside of their race. So i feel very fortunate having to hustle a career hopping on one leg and one arm tied behind my back. Thanks for bringing light to these issues.
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Yo! Why u only try white woman.. try American Latin or black woman. They are much better than those white girls
They used mulan as an example of an asian villain, but all of the characters are asian and General Shang was fucking hot lmao
its a little biased for sure.
This video is just cherrypicking nonsense
@@tubeguy4066 so the stereotypes against Asian men don’t exist
As a teen I watched a lot of Japanese series subbed online and was crushing hard on the actors...when I talked about that at school I became the weird girl who like Asian guys and therefore must be a lesbian because they looked so "feminine". I was so pissed back then, not because I was called a lesbian, I'm pan, so I don't care about that, I'm also totally supportive of men who actually have a feminine aesthetic, but because they looked at these very attractive masculine men and, just because they weren't the typical American Hollywood jock, called them feminine. I'm very happy that times are changing and especially with all these BTS fangirls, I just wished that I didn't have to listen to people telling me all Asian men look like women back when I was younger. The weirdest thing was: we actually had a guy in our grade whose parents were from China and a couple of girls were into him, so the hypocrisy was real. On the other hand, I'm happy they didn't treat him like they talked about my film crushes.
Add: my university boyfriend was half Asian, and I remember him being basically in shock when I told him I thought he was attractive. He told me that nearly no white woman had ever said that, and he thought no woman would ever find him attractive.
I also enjoyed Japanese series because they mostly didn't over sexualize a romantic relationship. They don't need to kiss or making out everytime to make the point that they were in love (or care each other).
Asian cinema always really good at making a subtle hint about romance between character (especially if the main theme wasn't romance) and we end up wanting more and crushing hard on the actor.
The issue is fetishism over that.
Also all these BTS fangirls don't fo much good to the non masculine stereotypes with their edits and all these theories of shipping them etc
That is a concern
@@asrafelicia im filipino i grew up watching american movies im always wondering why western movies majority of them are not complete w/o bed scenes 😂
@@quenchtv5436 Most western series used sex/bed scene almost like a mandatory to validate they were couple (but at some point they were cheating anyway)乁( •_• )ㄏ
This channel is so eye opening…Thank you for all the amazing content
I'm so upset you didn't mention Ki Hong Lee in The Maze Runner! I'm literally obsessed with him
FINALLY! Thank you, The Take!!!
@mustafa bashir Always and forever 😌
Having grown up in an area with a large asian migrant population the idea of "desexed" asian men is .... baffling. They're just like other guys 🤨
Shit, the submissive Asian woman one is fucking ridiculous to me. I get that Confucian values were supposed to demand submissiveness in women, but in practice, I haven't met the kind of female doormat that sexist men fantasize about. It's Orientalist bullshit.
Having grown up in the very white Bible Belt of the Midwest, I also find it baffling.
Just one of the many techniques adopted in the west to effeminate Asian men because they are scared of losing global hegemony
Very important and needed topic. Thank you for this video. I'm really tired of portraying Asian men as undesirable and hearing most people saying that Asian men are not attractive to them and that 'it's just their preference'
@@mindoablues yes, but when it's a preference of most people, almost every person you meet then something is not right
It's possible that Asian men being undesirable is due to genetic factors rather than representation.
@Lyon Blade Yes
@@mindoablues preferences based on race are racist, it's like saying everyone in a racial group is the same
@@brandonontama2415 Genetic
factors? Explain please.
The movies: “Hiroshima Mon Amor” (1950s) and “The Lover” (2002) feature an East Asian man and white woman, and written by the same writer
I'm glad y'all are on this subject!!! I remember being a young black girl and telling people I had a crush on Chow-Yun Fat, Russell Wong, and Ken Watanabe in the mid to late 90's. The looks I got from my friends. That's when I knew that I didn't have a preference when it came to skin color.
I'm white but I remember finding Dustin Nguyen just as attractive as a young Johnny Depp in 21 Jump Street. And a big hell yes to the rest of the names on your list as well.
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It always pissed me off that the best looking man on the Big Bang Theory was a bumbling, cringing fool who could not navigate a relationship. I have never, and I know many, met an Indian man who could not hold on an intelligent conversation with either a man or woman and one whose family would not ensure he had a wife from a good family. This is why I enjoy Bollywood, Wong Fu Productions and various other entities by, for, and about Asians. Take all this bigotry out of the equation and let the eastern half of the population tell us who they are. Hollywood's version sucks.
The funny thing is the actor who plays him is married to a beauty queen lol! And he is conventionally attractive, which the show didn't do too good a job of hiding.
Let's face it, TBBT was trash. It reinforced the stereotypes it should have been breaking down.
This is the first time Im hearing a westerner say that he likes bollywood
Man atleast they could have portrayed him as the smartest of the lot
@@xp_money7847 -- To be fair he did have a PHD in astrophysics.
Friendly reminder that "asexual" is an identity not an identifier of sexual behavior/sexualization. I like how the video identified it as "emasculated" or I would even say it's the "Desexualized/Celibate Asian Man" stereotype. Asian men are sexy in a variety of ways. So we definitely need the romantic/sexual representation of Asian men, I have a feeling Shang-Chi is going to give us a good one!
Thank you I was looking for someone to point out the misuse of the term asexual
They should have use the word emasculate
That title really pissed me off.
i think what the video is pointing out is that asian men are portrayed as asexual (they have no interest in sex) as another way to desexualize them (why bother being sexually attracted to an asian man if he has no interest in se).
@@3XZDgg asexuality is a defined sexual identity. misusing the word to describe desexualization of asian men creates a divide in understanding of stereotypes of asian men and the spectrum of asexuality (experiencing the lack of sexual attraction). we need to criticize language choice in order to make space for the experiences of different kinds of folk
I thought about Ned immediately from the newest versions of Spiderman! Good job with this video!
I can't believe you listened to my wish this was the one topic I always wanted to be highlighted thank you soo much .
That’s why I like that Kpop is getting a bigger platform in all countries,especially America. We see that Asian men can be sexy and extremely talented. Their giving platforms to Asian men that are affected by this stereotype. Of course this leads to fetishizing, but that’s a whole other problem. And people (specifically men) thinking that the artists look “too much like girls” which they don’t and even if they did it isn’t even an issue.
agreed! i'm overall happy to see asian representation in music since the western music industry really lacks in that department but it's great for asian idols to fight the racist stigmas and break down the barrier. People emasculating male kpop idols are honestly just racist/homophobic, men should be allowed to dye their hair and dance to pop music without it being made fun of or have assumptions made about them. It's really not just about proving that asian men can be desirable but that western ideas of masculinity are old fashion and doesn't make a man more desirable.
I never understood how does any Kpop male idol look like girl? Having crystal clear skin is just a reflection of your hygiene and healthy body. Some complain about the lack of facial hair. Then, why do guys clean shave? Are they less manly. I would never kiss a caveman. They do dance moves fast and swift, have a better stamina. I bet they will run long in bed with better techniques. Something potato couch can never.
@@sapphic.flower exactly feminine men are getting bigger platforms and some kpop artists that are men happen to fall in line with the look. I think these so called “traditional alpha masculine” men are upset and jealous that these guys are swooping in and stealing all the girls hearts 😂 people’s ideas on traditional attractiveness in men and women is changing take Harry Styles for example
Gee I wonder if thats related to how kpop fandom didnt really took off with gay male audiences as opossed to Females
@@alannallama3334 I love Kpop, and your comment takes me back to the glam metal heyday of the 80s. Members of bands like Motley Crue, etc would get roasted by other "dudes" for wearing makeup and stuff, but they were the ones getting all the girls! 🤘
The show Crazy Ex-Girlfriend also broke these stereotypes by having the slightly dopey, but good hearted himbo character Josh Chan being the protagonist's main love interest.
What about James Shigeta Crimson Kimono ?
whats a himbo
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Great video. Thank you for the coverage of how many Asian men feel.
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Mass media portraits attraction or even admiration to Asian men and woman as being a fetish, like if it was something weird or unusual that other people besides Asians themselves would find them likeable. I mean, it's insane, people is great, attractive, interesting, good, or bad in every culture. Just because everybody doesn't look like Captain America doesn't mean they're ugly.
If you grew up watching foreign media, you know this steryotype only exist in america😤
Ummm...........are you Indian? If not......i Speak for myself.
Khud ke palluke niche jhak ke dekha hai?
europe and latin america too ,at the same time in asian tv stereotypes of europeans and americans and latinos also persist
here in europe too this stereotype also exists sadly :(
Nah, It's the same case in Europe too, Have u watched Skins?, a British Series, Where Dev Patel , British Indian actor playing the role of a British Pakistani character Anwar was Stereotyped in this very same way like this video shows, infact Dev Patel even faced Racism and Discrimination from his co actors on set for the Character he was playing.
Am i guilty for threatening people that i will have entire call center after them? 🙊
Im Indian.
I'm Asian (Native Okinawan) and some awkwardly common compliments include "you're attractive for an Asian" and even "your eyes don't look that Asian." (I presume they're noticing my double eyelids and/or flirting weird.)
I've even gotten the "I never wanted to date an Asian" comment from a few, as we are dating. My beard is also noticed by both genders as something "unusual for an Asian."
That terrible. It's extra annoying because they think they're giving a compliment 🙄
post a picture of yourself. are you hapa passing?
Yeah I have seen the ‘you are pretty for a black girl’ ‘compliment’, and ‘oh you are Jewish. But it’s okay I still like you (Something that happened to Sharon Du Bois, an Israeli French TH-camr).
It can be pretty common for certain amount of Japanese population to have thick facial hair
@@nehcooahnait7827 you're both black and Jewish?
Shang in Mulan (the animated movie) was a big part of my s3xual awakening as a teen. I think he was a good early example of a non-stereotypical Asian man. Okay, he was super good at martial arts but the film is basically about military training and Shang is much more multi-faceted than his physical prowess alone. He is sympathetic due to his compassion struggling with his honour, his very perceivable queerness (Let's Get down to Business To defeat...) and even his embracing of the feminine qualities towards the end of the movie (although he doesn't go full cross-dressing as the three soldiers do).
damn its been forever since ive watched mularn
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Look at western portrayals of Asian men: ❌
Look at eastern/ Asian portrayals of Asian men: ✅
Yup. The difference is more than enough to prove Hollywood is so darn racist. Funny they love pretending to be tolerant.
eastern culture still worships white skin for some weird reason. you see any random white guy in japan and girls look at him like he's a god. it is truly pathetic
I'm not so sure about East Asian cinema, but certainly South Asian cinema comes with its own baggage, particularly its blatant colourism: look at how so many Bollywood sex symbols are relatively light-skinned - John Abraham, Hrithik Roshan, Salman Khan, Varun Dhawan, Siddharth Malhotra...
Wow, Sessue Hayakawa's story is fascinating. Definitely want to watch that biopic.
My partner is Vietnamese American, and he's the most ardent, tender, deliriously romantic man I've ever known--He's great at puns too. I love him so much, and I wish I could write a thousand scripts for a thousand movies with a leading man just like him.
whats bipoc
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Imagine if 16 candles was done from the perspective of Long Duk Dong: a student comes to the Midwest where he puts up with a rude-ass family that can't remember a member's birthday and parties all night. Hey that'd be cool.
Kahn (KOTH) is a tricky one: On one hand hes played by a White American, on the other some Asian American groups praised the character for not falling into the wimpy servant trope. He is a flawed character who gets to be relatable.
Mr. Miyagi just wanted some free labor and I ain't mad.
So when is this channel going to call out the Bridget Jones series for trafficking in anti-Asian stereotypes and unchecked White Fragility and internalized misogyny and how we are supposed to see Bridget (blonde, smaller end of sizes, curves in hourglass shape, passably attractive by most real life measures) as an outlier when it comes to attracting men? Also that her relationships are more toxic than we were led to believe?
That would be funny to see it from that angle
Precisely, I'd really like to see Long Duk Dong's reaction to the crazy American family he's staying with, and how THEY seem bizarre to him. That would be a neat flip of perspective.
@@trinaq Like Shmoop even called them out on how Ginny's non-WASPy in-laws may be crass but they are honest about it unlike the Baker clan
I'd like to see him comment on the rape culture in that movie
They have a video on Bridget Jones tough I don't think it touches on those subjects, can't be sure since I haven't seen it in a while
Society: asian men can't be sexy
Bruce Lee: hold my abs
That's why they killed him
Bruce Lee is a stereotype Asian lol,girls not give a S to kungfu guy
@@Shinbainu234Bruce Lee bang soo many white chick.. and end up in married one 😂
@@Liamproduc267true 🤣
@@Shinbainu234delusional hater. Bruce had a god like aura not just his fighting abilities. His charisma was unrivalled.
I'm a Black woman and my husband is Chinese with an Electrical Engineering Masters degree (some would say he fits into the asian nerd stereotype)
He told me that he always felt inferior to white and black guys because of the perceived size of packages so to speak, and because he was in HS and he had just come to America, his mood was all over the place. He'd hang out with the wrong people, argue with his mom a lot and kind of be a dickhead because he just felt so emasculated even being around white and black guys.
It took him going to college and meeting me ( I had told him that I loved his eyes, and that I thought the almond shape was always so beautiful) and receiving just a small compliment to really open up and be a better version of himself than before
We need to show some love to our Asian Men some more!😍
Thank you
I used to be very painful to be Asian man, your words means a lot
Ooh, I’m sure you’re a cute couple 🥰
Not even gonna lie, this made me tear up a little.
Sadly some asian men commited suicide because of this.
Bruce Lee is very attractive to a alot of people.
Well yeah! I immediately went DAYUM when I saw him on screen! Not only was he fit, he was also very beautiful!
Agreed. Also Iko Uwais who played The Raid and Joe Taslim who played The Raid and recent Mortal Kombat do not fit the 'desexualised' type.
Oh, yeah. You should see pictures of him fully clothed. That guy had style.
There's a young Chinese actor named Zhu Min Xin who looks so much like a young Bruce Lee that I get a shock every time I see him on screen.
He's the only Asian person to me that I find attractive
To All Boys I Ever Love was the perfect opportunity to turn the trope on its head and they chose to cast white boys.
course they did, it was written by an asian woman, nobody wants to see asian men erased more than asian women
Worse yet, they did diversify the cast by adding a Black actor and a Cuban guy but they didn’t add an Asian guy
I think it was like that in the books too though. That's why they selected it. Then they paraded it around like a triumph for asian people but it's just doing the EXACT same thing it's ever done.
Read ANY criticism regarding the 2021 Cowboy Bebop and literally the FIRST thing people mention is how terrible Spike was because he "wasn't played by a certain white actor". Like....huh? First Spike is a fictional martian. Secondly, if they bothered to watch it, John Cho absolutely fucking nailed Spike.
It's like "choose the right actor for that role". And they did. But he's too Asian for them to accept it.
This is might sound off topic but i literally befriended with someone who fetishized asian man (and yes, kpop idols included), when the moment i showed her a real life asian man she suddenly go "they don't look anything like (insert a male kpop idol here)" 🤧 i guess this is the reasom why that asian men are often potrayed as "ugly" in western movies that i mostly saw.
@@mindoablues that’s true however for average white men there’s like a whole genre of romcoms starring average white men who are a little chubby not airbrushed celebrities and still getting the girl or being fully fleshed out characters with personalities, while Asian men (south Asian too) are constantly put into either the nerd or ripped model trope in my opinion. I feel there should be more representation of asians and ones who don’t fit into one or the other stereotype and are actually the main characters with personalities.
@@itsanu1420 Ironically, they were seen as popular in Asian countries like Japan and Korea.
@@mindoablues yup It’s great!
@@mindoablues I would also love to see more racial (and other kinds of) variety on screen.
There are plenty of beautiful, cute, attractive people on this planet and they come in all colours, shapes and sizes.
It's because they're not white Hollywood makes any other race that's not white undesirable for the laughs come on now stop playing dumb.
Contemporary Asian women frequently have a "No Asian dating" policy. As an Asian man, almost no one wanted anything to do with me because Asian men do not have the social currency to behave in certain ways. However, I've also lived up to the Asian male stereotype of being a workaholic, doing well in school and making a lot of money now. Look at all of the money I've saved by not dating or ending up in divorce court.
Move to Hawai'i man. Its basically an Asian country and paradise rolled into one. You'll be a lot happier, trust me.
lol
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Agree with everything in the video, now over to TikTok where users are hyper-sexualizing Asian actors and pop idols…
Or at least some of them are. There’s a certain segment of stans that believe all their favs are shy and awkward around women and I can’t tell if it’s a youth thing or a “puriteen” thing, but it leans into some really problematic areas (in addition to creepy parasocial behaviour and not seeing celebrities as real people)
It's that big intersection between orientalism and anti-Blackness that's made kpop so popular in the first place.
Zoomers are growing up with a completely different portrayal of Asian males in pop culture compared to previous generations. It's quite astonishing how quickly the pendulum has swung the other way. It speaks to the power of social media and positive representation.
@@BluesRiffage Is this because of tiktok? I've never used it
Yeah agree
@@nicholashuang5974 Tiktok is a Chinese-owned website! It would benefit them to have Asian men look good (especially with the shortage of brides in Mainland China brought about by that "One Child Policy" crap)! 😁
Jake from American Dragon Jake Long was a personal favorite of mine: He's rebellious, more street-smart than book-smart, has struggles with school like any kid, does physical stuff like skateboarding, camping, and swimming, can be kind of punky, is definitely tough when it comes to a fight, isn't completely effeminate, and his main romance throughout the series is with white girl Rose.
I feel like you made a mistake by not highlighting Josh Chan (played by Vincent Rodriguez III) from Crazy Ex Girlfriend. He is literally the object of desire for the straight cis white female protagonist for about half of the series' run.
That's an outlier
Yes!!! 💯💯💯
I also liked Dong in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Kimmy's love interest
Lewis Tan, and the guys who played The Raid: Iko Uwais and Joe Taslim (who also play Bi Han/Sub Zero in recent Mortal Kombat) also do not fit that stereotype. Also Bruce Lee.
CXG was ahead of the curve too
I am asian male and grew up in Southern California. My wife is latina American and we have three wonderful mixed but beautiful Asian and Latina kids. I think as society and in our culture, we need to define what true masculinity is. It is more than the portrayal of alpha male type in the movies and in Hollywood.
I noticed that I got more attention from women as I became more successful in my career. Still I am very loyal to my first and only wife of 20 years. For me, true masculinity ......is saying no to ones own desires for mid life affair and the (conquer as many women mentality), but stay true to wife of your youth. I had a white boss and when he turned 50, he divorced his wife and left her for some twenty year old in Chilli. Sad and twisted as this was(his kids and family were devastated), this is considered alpha male superiority in our culture. Loyalty, commitment, devotion, unselfish love, compassion, courage to protect, man of his word, provider to others rather than self indulgence to me sign of true masculinity.
Our culture? Correction, it's Western culture, where, promiscuous men are considered manly, but promiscuous women are considered slut
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I spent my teen years oogling over the leading men in Taiwanese dramas, so when I found out this trope existed I was baffled.
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I once shook hands with a white girl, and while doing that, unfortunately, I couldn’t hear her family name clearly and therefore held her fingers a few seconds longer when I ask her to repeat it. She was so obviously disgusted by that and I felt offended. After that, I decide that I will never touch a white girl’s hand again.