I am now aware of Ultralights that can equip floats and I am intrigued... I'm from the deep, swampy part of North Ontario and something that can land on the little lakes and rivers that suffuse the area has a hell of a lot of appeal. Sounds like it can carry me and a substantial camping gear load so holy hell...
May I ask about how much the annual costs are? Including fuel burn, routine maintenance (such as oil changes) unroutine maintenance (stuff tearing up), etc.?
@@Coobyboi Awesome. As someone who grosses between $40-50k annually (depending on overtime), this sounds like something I could actually afford to both buy and own. There seem to be plenty of used ones for under $20k for sale, and I could theoretically pay cash for one of those, though finding hangar space could present a problem, as I wouldn’t imagine you’d want to do tie down even with aircraft covers.
@@GeneralSirDouglasMcA yeah. Guess I forgot to mention hangar cost which is about $210-$300 depending on where you go. It’s a very affordable and safe bird. Just remember that two strokes aren’t the most reliable engines. I always flew mine high and constantly had potential ditching areas on my route.
How does one get into flying for cheap with sturdy built, fast air frames that don't need maintenance and run on hopes and dreams? 🙄🤣 Fun video as always! How about doing the CT-114 Tutor? 😊
Loving these videos! One thing I’m a bit confused by is how the numbers break down from variable/fixed costs to the price per hour - as well as what the ‘Reserve’ cost actually is. Would love to see a video about that!
Great video. I've built and flown 3 Challengers, all with the Rotax 503. First was the single place long wing and absolutely loved that plane. Next was a two place standard, very nice. The one I have now is another two place standard that I added a bunch of accessories, which I regret. It's very heavy and flying with two people is near impossible. If you get one, keep the weight down.
The Challenger is quite flexible...Grab a wing tip and begin to move it up and down...in time the tail feathers will be flexing opposite the wing....Good plane other wise...
hope u have fitted reinforcing wedge or massive thick washer 6mm or so on inside of wing attach fittings as per the mw mods ,,,cracks have develpoed across the hole resulting in fatalities please share with other challenger owners
I wanted one of these or a Kolb as a kid. Dan Gryder has broken me of any desire for an ultralight now. I'm holding out for a Husky once I win the Powerball.
Hey mate, could you please do a video on the moth series of planes or just the tiger moth? I’ve really fallen for them recently and I’m honestly thinking of buying one, just need a pilot’s license I guess 😅
Decent used ones now sell for 30k aviation popularity has skyrocketed with all the TH-cam videos. Everything has gone up the ones that are old, and have lot of issues sell for 10k
I have a question for anyone with real-life experience in one of these. I took a flight in back seat of one and was going to try my hand at flying. I had a private license and was familiar with Beechcraft Sports/Cessna 172s/Warriers/Archers--that sort of thing. So I was trying to fly and found that the rudder position seemed to be "neutral" in a position significantly off of center and I felt like I had to put a ton of pressure to use the rudders. I was going to ask the PIC about this, but he was kind of a dick, so I didn't want him to feel any more superior than he already felt. Is that rudder jazz normal for ultralights? I understand that these sort of airplanes require significantly more stick/rudder finess than that the average general aircraft light aircraft, but this seemed very odd to me.
From what I understand, that's exactly how the challengers behave. As I understand, there is quite a bit of adverse yaw in them so it requires quite a bit of rudder to counteract it while flying.
do you think youll do a video on the Bombardier Challenger line? i know you tend to stick to smaller planes but you did do one for the HondaJet so im curious to see if youll do others
just a question if you please ; if lets say i throw the back seat out and convert the space for light cargo ..can i fly the plane as ultralight ? since i dont hold a pilot licence ...any input is greatly appreciated many many thanks to all of you greetings from Kalamata
You can definitely do that. It’s common practice in fact. I don’t know about licence requirements in your area, but you can definitely turf the back seat for storage.
@@CompleteWalkaround In the US the craft cannot exceed 254 lbs empty. I doubt taking the seat out will change it to Ultralight, but would make you a hell of a camper/go fish plane.
My challenger holds 27 gallons. Very cross country capable just check weather beforehand and don't be in a rush. Lots of documented cross country flights in a challenger.
Is it possible to remove the rear seat i am to young to get a license, im going to do some training at a local airport, but you need a license to have a dual seat, so im just wondering if you can just remove it.
Licence and modification requirements depend on where you live. In Canada to can take the seat out and you require an UL licence. In the USA I don't think you need a licence but Im not sure about that.
I own one, your speeds are way off. I think your weights are too. Mine weighs 450 empty, I cruise at 70 knots (80 mph). I have a Hirth 3203 engine (65 HP, aircooled) I burn 4-4.5 Gal an hour. I weigh 230, I can carry a 200 lb person in the back. Yes it is a little weird to have someone's legs wrapped around your hips but you do get use to it. My friend has a 503 based one and he has better performance 80-90 mph.
@@josephc.9520 VNE is 100 MPH for a long wing (I think) its 110MPH on a clip wing. I dont think you can actually get it going that fast flat out in level flight, its a draggy beast. Top speed is not a good indicator, however cruise at a specific RPM is a good way to judge performance
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Not the Challenger I was expecting when I saw the title 😂
Was expecting the tank?
@@bigwings1891 probably the jet
Haha same!
I was thinking the Shuttle
Same 😆
The humor on this channel is avgeek gold 😂
"Trying to get more out of them than was ever really intended will probably lead to disappointment"
That's an understatement if there ever was one!
I am now aware of Ultralights that can equip floats and I am intrigued...
I'm from the deep, swampy part of North Ontario and something that can land on the little lakes and rivers that suffuse the area has a hell of a lot of appeal. Sounds like it can carry me and a substantial camping gear load so holy hell...
That's exactly what it can do
Love the videos! Flying with two people is “dual” not “duel”. Even though the tight quarters could lead to some kid of duel.
lol....nuanced comments are the best !
I’m actually in the Quad Cities right now, the home of this plane!
Love the light weight episodes! Can we get the Pietenpol too?
The Pietenpol is a homebuilt, with soooo many variations.
@@UncleKennysPlace plans as written are an option, Corvair conversion is another, those are are the most common that you find specs on.
Had a Challenger I Clipped wing. Absolute blast on a 503. Great plane to just put around in.
May I ask about how much the annual costs are? Including fuel burn, routine maintenance (such as oil changes) unroutine maintenance (stuff tearing up), etc.?
@@GeneralSirDouglasMcA It would get a “Conditional” every year. No more than $200. As for random expenses, oil and tires are about it besides fuel.
@@Coobyboi Awesome. As someone who grosses between $40-50k annually (depending on overtime), this sounds like something I could actually afford to both buy and own. There seem to be plenty of used ones for under $20k for sale, and I could theoretically pay cash for one of those, though finding hangar space could present a problem, as I wouldn’t imagine you’d want to do tie down even with aircraft covers.
@@GeneralSirDouglasMcA yeah. Guess I forgot to mention hangar cost which is about $210-$300 depending on where you go. It’s a very affordable and safe bird. Just remember that two strokes aren’t the most reliable engines. I always flew mine high and constantly had potential ditching areas on my route.
How does one get into flying for cheap with sturdy built, fast air frames that don't need maintenance and run on hopes and dreams? 🙄🤣
Fun video as always! How about doing the CT-114 Tutor? 😊
Loving these videos! One thing I’m a bit confused by is how the numbers break down from variable/fixed costs to the price per hour - as well as what the ‘Reserve’ cost actually is. Would love to see a video about that!
Thanks. I've had this question before. I will make a cheat sheet style video about all the numbers
Great video. I've built and flown 3 Challengers, all with the Rotax 503. First was the single place long wing and absolutely loved that plane. Next was a two place standard, very nice. The one I have now is another two place standard that I added a bunch of accessories, which I regret. It's very heavy and flying with two people is near impossible. If you get one, keep the weight down.
Riding with a passenger seems an awful lot like tandem skydiving in reverse.
Thank you for doing this one. "So you want to buy a Challenger II..." Yes, Yes I do.
I've one for sale!
@@livestock9722interested as well
How ‘bout an AutoGyro next time. Thanks these are fun and informative.
The Challenger is quite flexible...Grab a wing tip and begin to move it up and down...in time the tail feathers will be flexing opposite the wing....Good plane other wise...
I've flown in one of these. I'm 6'2, and I could barely fit in the front of one of these things, the back seat simply wasn't an option lol
Do a Grumman AA-1 next!
Great video as always! Can you please, please, please do a Lake Buccaneer or Renegade!?!?
hope u have fitted reinforcing wedge or massive thick washer 6mm or so on inside of wing attach fittings as per the mw mods ,,,cracks have develpoed across the hole resulting in fatalities please share with other challenger owners
Nice one! I would be most curious to see a video about a Maule aircraft, is it in your plans? Cheers from France!
Seconding a Maule. M5 or M7 just not the tricycles.
@@robertrussell1604 Yup, that's what I also had in mind ;)
I wanted one of these or a Kolb as a kid. Dan Gryder has broken me of any desire for an ultralight now. I'm holding out for a Husky once I win the Powerball.
Or you can fly now and upgrade when you win the Powerball. That's my plan anyways. I couldn't wait any longer.
What did Dan say that influenced you negatively?
I love these videos 🔥Commander 114TC or maybe Comanche next 👀?
Hey mate, could you please do a video on the moth series of planes or just the tiger moth? I’ve really fallen for them recently and I’m honestly thinking of buying one, just need a pilot’s license I guess 😅
@Complete Walkaround, could you please do one on the tecnam 2002 Jr? Thanks and keep up the great videos
Decent used ones now sell for 30k aviation popularity has skyrocketed with all the TH-cam videos. Everything has gone up the ones that are old, and have lot of issues sell for 10k
Can you do a Piper J3 Cub video soon? :)
I’d like to once again request the Comanche! 😃
Grumman Tiger Next! the AOPA giveaway plane!
I have a question for anyone with real-life experience in one of these. I took a flight in back seat of one and was going to try my hand at flying. I had a private license and was familiar with Beechcraft Sports/Cessna 172s/Warriers/Archers--that sort of thing. So I was trying to fly and found that the rudder position seemed to be "neutral" in a position significantly off of center and I felt like I had to put a ton of pressure to use the rudders. I was going to ask the PIC about this, but he was kind of a dick, so I didn't want him to feel any more superior than he already felt.
Is that rudder jazz normal for ultralights? I understand that these sort of airplanes require significantly more stick/rudder finess than that the average general aircraft light aircraft, but this seemed very odd to me.
From what I understand, that's exactly how the challengers behave. As I understand, there is quite a bit of adverse yaw in them so it requires quite a bit of rudder to counteract it while flying.
Does the cost of operation include the substantial increase in your life insurance premium?
No increase, just a little clause that says they will not pay.
Can you do a review on the Robin DR400?
do you think youll do a video on the Bombardier Challenger line? i know you tend to stick to smaller planes but you did do one for the HondaJet so im curious to see if youll do others
Single pilot planes is the line so far
@@CompleteWalkaround fair enough
Do the J3 cub please!
Just a little over the cost of getting a pilot's license, as it should be.
Piper Colt, please!
I'd love to see the glassair 1,2 or 3! Or lancair 320 or 360!
You in a rush? 🙂
@@CompleteWalkaround I'm all about that $/mile! 😉
@@nathanlindley I relate
Dual, not duel. Unless people fence on the wings....
just a question if you please ; if lets say i throw the back seat out and convert the space for light cargo ..can i fly the plane as ultralight ?
since i dont hold a pilot licence
...any input is greatly appreciated
many many thanks to all of you
greetings from Kalamata
You can definitely do that. It’s common practice in fact. I don’t know about licence requirements in your area, but you can definitely turf the back seat for storage.
@@CompleteWalkaround In the US the craft cannot exceed 254 lbs empty. I doubt taking the seat out will change it to Ultralight, but would make you a hell of a camper/go fish plane.
Is there anything this inexpensive that’s designed for longish distance cross country travel?
My challenger holds 27 gallons. Very cross country capable just check weather beforehand and don't be in a rush. Lots of documented cross country flights in a challenger.
Awesome
Is it possible to remove the rear seat i am to young to get a license, im going to do some training at a local airport, but you need a license to have a dual seat, so im just wondering if you can just remove it.
Licence and modification requirements depend on where you live. In Canada to can take the seat out and you require an UL licence. In the USA I don't think you need a licence but Im not sure about that.
@@CompleteWalkaround okay thanks do you know the weight i cant find any accurate results thanks.
@@CompleteWalkaround also in us if you have a dual seater you need a sports pilot license, but sincei can just take it out that wouldnt matter.
That engine, the 912 has more power and less fuel burn per hour.
6 times the price and heavier
And it probably isn't as good at shrugging off RPGs as the *other* Challenger 2 has been known to do...
it looks like something you'd build yourself. like IKEA.
You do! It's a kit
@@CompleteWalkaround but., is it as solid and reliable as IKEA?
I own one, your speeds are way off. I think your weights are too. Mine weighs 450 empty, I cruise at 70 knots (80 mph). I have a Hirth 3203 engine (65 HP, aircooled) I burn 4-4.5 Gal an hour. I weigh 230, I can carry a 200 lb person in the back. Yes it is a little weird to have someone's legs wrapped around your hips but you do get use to it. My friend has a 503 based one and he has better performance 80-90 mph.
I thought the speeds were low too. But you can cruise at whatever spped you like, it's top speed that counts
@@josephc.9520 VNE is 100 MPH for a long wing (I think) its 110MPH on a clip wing. I dont think you can actually get it going that fast flat out in level flight, its a draggy beast. Top speed is not a good indicator, however cruise at a specific RPM is a good way to judge performance
When Pilatus PC-12
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