Want To Own A Challenger ll?? Let's Talk About it!

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  • @colinkobel2868
    @colinkobel2868 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have been considering a challenger. I truly appreciate your incite. I live here in Montana where the wind blows a lot! Your statement about the fear is definitely a healthy one. I have been watching everything I can about the plane. You are the first and only one to talk honesty about the ownership and piloting the Challenger. Thanks and please continue to comment!

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lots more to come and I'm gonna touch on this topic! Thank you very much for watching

  • @jeffsharpe9963
    @jeffsharpe9963 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey John, “you da man!!” I have seen several videos but none who try to give information..not mojo ‘watch me’ stuff. This one on preflight is so on subject, I thank you! Also watched 9500’ today(wife says “no !”). Awesome. I bought an older design 2010 plane and will start lessons in oct you are not a cfi, no, but grateful for you!

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @jeffsharpe9963 the wife is the boss lol! I'm working on my cfi now probably be don't early 2025! So if you're close let me know!

  • @jamesordwayultralightpilot
    @jamesordwayultralightpilot ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel your comment about hostile territory. I got the small mountains and trees for days. But still love every minute I get up there in my Quicksilver.

  • @chadparker5690
    @chadparker5690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a private pilot and have flown Cessna 150 and 172s. I have owned a challenger2 for 10 years and fly it regularly on floats, skis and wheels. I love it and find it a great plane to fly. You do need someone to check you out if you are used to a puller plane but that stands for all types of planes no matter what the design. The challenger is uncomfortable to fly in windy conditions but in calm conditions, i can trim it with the flapperons and let go of the stick no problem. It is an ultralight, you don't buy an ultralight to go up in crappy weather.
    Bottom line , I have owned it for 10 years and love it. There are some videos on my channel

  • @TrioTravels3
    @TrioTravels3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey John! I'm on my second Challenger and I've struggled to put it away. I like your videos and this one was great too but I saw you were using a trailer dolley to lift your rear wheel. What a great idea and I need to know how you get the dolley to sit on the rear wheel. Thanks for your videos! Cheers, Brad

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @TrioTravels3 hey thanks for watching I will add the dolly to a video in the near future! For the next week I'm at a big fly in!

  • @jonathanshirer2395
    @jonathanshirer2395 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In my opinion, the Challenger II, especially the long wing, has most of its unusual flight characteristics from the light wing loading, about 1/3 that of the 172. The light wing loading accentuates all turbulence effects. But that means you can also soar it in normal thermals. NEVER engage the flaperons in landing. Both an increase in engine power and positive flaperon deployment cause a nose down moment. A go around with flaps deployed would be dangerous, especially if the nose down moment was not anticipated. As for workload, It can easily be trimmed and flown hands-off in stable air. You are absolutely correct that people trained in the usual certified trainers need instruction in lighter aircraft that lack the inertia they are used to.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great info thank you! I've wondered about the flaperons! When is the right time and wrong time!

    • @jonathanshirer2395
      @jonathanshirer2395 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheJonjonj I would consider deploying only on final for a short, off field landing, Base-to-final turn with flaperons encourages a stall/spin, because the aileron function is not differential. The excess lift on the up wing increases the chance of its coming over the top.
      For regular field landings, the stall speed is plenty low enough without flaperon deployment. Small flaperon deployments are only for trim.
      My opinion.

  • @narmac01
    @narmac01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I flew my Cll for 14 years,,it was completely an incredible experience,,,,trained only on this plane with the Canadian flying permit,,,worth every minute to learn with a competent trainer!!

  • @makedolife
    @makedolife ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m appreciative all of your videos. Being a couple hundred hours as GA pilot, I got a Challenger ll and didn’t have anyone near to teach me, I pretty much follow what you’ve done. I also really appreciate the the guys in the tower (PGD) for having patience with me as I’m doing some high speed taxiing and crow hopping down their 7k runway. 100% agree it flies differently than a C-172. Thank you for sharing your videos.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely! Don't be worried about it they are great birds! Go fly!

    • @bichus007
      @bichus007 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great video !
      Whats you opinion on the Flighstar (vs challenger)

    • @thewardog82nd
      @thewardog82nd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I built a Challenger 2 in 1999 and early 2000. Same color as this one. I built it so i could train ultralight pilots.
      I found this aircraft to be very easy to fly!! The main difference between this and any other single engine aircraft is that engine is in rear, and is lighter than a general aviation aircraft. This is the main handling difference!!
      With proper instructions almost anyone can fly this aircraft. My family and friends all flew in my Challenger and not a scary moment for anyone!
      I would recommend this type of aircraft to anyone who is capable of flying light aircraft and willing to get proper training! I flew mine about 300 hrs. Before selling it. I have about 4000 hrs in single and multi engine airplanes. I thoroughly enjoyed flying my Challenger 2

  • @scottmatson4816
    @scottmatson4816 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can help with one thing with your preflight- those perforated hose clamps are junk. They will fail. Get some good clamps with solid bands. Thanks for the great video.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @scottmatson4816 already have! This is old video! Thanks for watching

  • @deltaskyhawk
    @deltaskyhawk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the honest assessment! Bothers me to not see cotter pins on the nuts!

  • @GeneralSirDouglasMcA
    @GeneralSirDouglasMcA ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A lot of people only fly them early in the morning or late in the evening when its relatively calm.
    And that brings up this question: If registers as an experimental aircraft (in compliance with the 51% rule), and with the proper lights, can the Challenger be flown at night by a private pilot? It’s my understanding that an aircraft must be certified by the manufacturer to be flown at night, regardless of registration, etc.

    • @jamesordwayultralightpilot
      @jamesordwayultralightpilot ปีที่แล้ว

      I may be wrong but I think experimental is limited to VFR. SLSA's can be IFR certified if equipped with the proper instruments. I only have a small understanding of this from reading around and talking to older Ultralight pilots. But it does make sense.

  • @Tomsfoolery.
    @Tomsfoolery. ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video! Thanks for taking the time to explain the Challenger.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching! I will get into more detail when I have more to report!

  • @207matthew
    @207matthew ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Got about 12 hrs in a light sport Eastern European plane..aeroprakt? Could fly the pattern easily but, handed over the controls with any cross wind. Was under the assumption that Challengers were easy.... You just saved me a lot of money

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really don't like hearing that someone wouldn't buy a challenger based on video I was just making a video to create awareness to the facts! But if that's what you decided after weighing the good vs the bad than maybe it's for the best! I hope you still buy something because life is better at altitude!

  • @georgecox1784
    @georgecox1784 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really great idea to look up your video. I’m very close to buying a Challenger 11… cash in hand, purchase would be an online marketplace buy. I’ve told the seller I’m definitely doing research before making any final decision. I’m not a pilot and will need all information as well as training. After viewing your very informative video it brought to the forefront that there’s so much more to it than I ever imagined. GREAT APPRECIATION FOR PROBABLY SAVING MY LIFE, SERIOUSLY SAYING… THANK YOU 27:50

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Although I'm sad you decided to not get one I'm also happy if I helped you make a decision best for you! Challenger is a great aircraft but not for everyone! Definitely watch some of my more recent videos

    • @georgecox1784
      @georgecox1784 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheJonjonj I haven’t ruled it out, just doing more research prior to doing so and they’re not in a rush or pinch to sell it. If does sell and I’m ready to buy, I shouldn’t have a problem finding another. Good inspiration, thanks.

  • @toddb6576
    @toddb6576 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A lot of adverse yaw in challengers. For lack of better words, you basically lead your turn with the rudder

  • @me109av8r
    @me109av8r ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. You captured the essence of the Challenger and its flight characteristics very accurately and honestly. They are 100% stick-and-rudder aircraft and they are light with light wing loading. Mine is based in the very windy foothills of the Rockies and wind is unfortunately a fact of life. My feet are constantly busy. Langewiesche’s “Stick and Rudder” is almost required reading if you’re coming from a 172 as I did. Thanks for sharing your insights. I believe they will be very helpful to potential Challenger pilots. I see the Challenger as a flying motorcycle rather than a car. Cheers!

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks I hope it helps someone! and I'm glad you agree!

    • @edifyguy
      @edifyguy ปีที่แล้ว

      Being from Michigan, it looks like a flying snowmobile to me. :)

  • @davidwhitten928
    @davidwhitten928 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nice video thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      No problem more to come!

  • @Mike-01234
    @Mike-01234 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2 stroke engines are always temperamental require lot more maintenance. I like to tinker with engines have lot of experience with 2 strokes used to work at a performance jet ski company. Also have some experience with performance outboards. I don't have aviation experience something I would like to gain. One thing with a pusher engine have to worry about something vibrating lose and end up in the prop. I read on Challenger's website that this aircraft requires coordinating turns I could see how someone who used to leaving their feet on the floor might have issues with this.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      Back in the day I worked for River jets in Laughlin! I was London Bridge tour guide on the boat! Yes a very rudder dependent aircraft!

    • @Mike-01234
      @Mike-01234 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheJonjonj Looking over all the kit planes available I can't find another that is priced so low if those prices are still accurate on U fly it website $32k for a fully built Challenger 2 XL-65 airframe needs covering is really a good deal in this day and age. They even include a new 582 engine, and instrument panel. I have read that unless you know what you're doing shouldn't buy used because of all the updates might not be included. The downside as you said very sensitive to winds light wing loading, I live in Arizona we get lot of thermals, and late afternoons winds can randomly gust while probably not a problem for a 172 something like this would suck. The wind here can't even fly a kite it will gust then suddenly drop to nothing kite falls then gusts again shoots back up again until you get the kite out 100-150 feet in the air. That tells me near the ground it's even worse.

    • @outlawflyer7868
      @outlawflyer7868 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@Aviation Adventure Boys really? I use to live in lake havasu city for many years and out of all the years I lived there and parker. I never took that tour ride.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      @Outlawflyer78 yea I miss that area so much!

  • @matthewlindberg6249
    @matthewlindberg6249 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you send some pictures how you’re using your trailer dolly to pull it around? Mainly how you have it attached to the aircraft and secure it?

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @matthewlindberg6249 yes I will in my next video! It's just the dolly from harborfreight the tail wheel sits in it and I bungy it down!

    • @matthewlindberg6249
      @matthewlindberg6249 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheJonjonj thank you. I have the same dolly, but it has a hitch ball on the top, so I’m not sure how you have your tail wheel sitting on top and would love to see it.

  • @edifyguy
    @edifyguy ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for this! I have considered one as something to inexpensively build hours on my PPL to get to a CPL and was hoping for some more information about it. It's a flying snowmobile, and as you said, it seems like the type of thing that will make me a better pilot. The less something weighs, the more wind and turbulence affects it. I guess we'll see how PPL training goes and go from there.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      It definitely does make you better so don't rule it out! Thanks for watching

  • @flyguy437
    @flyguy437 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I must comment on that bracket (lower lift strut to fuselage). As a homebuilder educating myself on proper A/P technique, I learned that all bolts subject to pivoting like your lower bracket, require a castillated nut with cotter pin. Yours doesn't have that. Something to check?

  • @williamlambdin9817
    @williamlambdin9817 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jon, thanks for the info here and the warning to GA pilots what it takes to fly unltralights and planes similar to the Challenger. I have a Challenger ll CWS that I love. I have a friend who bought a 90s era Freebird. He put a Rotax 503 on her with a Warp Drive three blade prop. I helped his but new A/N bolts, washers and nuts on all attachments. I have done some crow hops and it seems to handle fine. Any advice or special things to consider before first flight? Thanks, LANNY LAMBDIN. (my videos on TH-cam under William Lambdin)

  • @MikePCaffrey
    @MikePCaffrey ปีที่แล้ว

    Well !
    I agree with you about some GA pilots being overwhelmed with how much you need to FLY a Challenger. versus a Cessna
    But it is NOT just Challenger Alone !
    It is small light sport aircraft in general.
    I have a lot of time in Challenger ll they fly fine and safe
    No different than
    Slipstream Revolution
    Quick Silver GT
    Rans
    CTll
    This is a class of airplane that is not for everyone.
    But Challenger is a great aircraft for this class

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree I think my focus is just on challenger because it's what I currently have! But you are right.

  • @L2FlyMN
    @L2FlyMN ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Flying a PPC, turbulence is not fun!!!! Especially when your nose is doing figure 8’s, & you have to try land in that!

  • @jjb4714
    @jjb4714 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the idea o Challengers but have never flown a plane with flapperons and don’t like the thought of them. Would prefer regular flaps which I am familiar with. Am I right or wrong?

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly in the challenger they are not required! It gets slow enough flaps aren't necessary! Watch my video that says flaperons I talk about it there a bit!

    • @jamesordwayultralightpilot
      @jamesordwayultralightpilot ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah the flaperons are more for trim adjustment when cruising. At least that's what my buddy uses them for the most. He also doesn't do short field ops so they might be useful there too.

  • @rickowens396
    @rickowens396 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ur channel is perfect 4me. I am wanting to buy an old ch1 w/447from a man who bought the hanger and must sell it. at 72 willing to adventure, thank you.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Heck yea I might have ch1 content soon on my channel!

  • @marianohernandez198
    @marianohernandez198 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video how much weight it can handle

  • @jteddy11
    @jteddy11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the informative video, are there other engines you could put on the Challenger that are less temperamental?

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've learned alot since this video and the engine problem was self inflicted so 503 is best engine for sure! Just gotta know how to treat it and how it works! Now I wouldn't change it unless a nice 670 popped up

    • @jamesordwayultralightpilot
      @jamesordwayultralightpilot ปีที่แล้ว

      Hirth F23 bro!!!

  • @TRUCKINBOB
    @TRUCKINBOB ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2001 is for sale in my area. Is 8500.00 a good price? In good condition?Thanks, Rob

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      It could be but there are so many factors! Is it the Challenger 1 seater? With 503?

  • @commentatron
    @commentatron ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm in the process of earning my SPL training in a J3 Cub. Is there anything about that experience that would put me in a better position to handle/appreciate/enjoy flying a Challenger?

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tail wheel training is great and I've heard it's pretty close to flying the challenger but I've actually never flown a tail wheel so I can't be the one to say! But definitely do it!

  • @majoouellette4057
    @majoouellette4057 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video thank you !

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! More to come!

  • @waynelookout
    @waynelookout ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job, I bought a challenger 1 one year ago, just south of Tyler Tx. I live in Athens Tx. Have 53ac that I put a runway and a hanger on, but haven't flown the plane for not knowing anyone who has flown one. I would like to meet you for some advice. I don't really know if I should put name and number on here or not. If you want to meet, l will keep up with your videos you may mention how to contact you.
    Thanks for the video , good information

  • @jimmywarren6685
    @jimmywarren6685 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video!!

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! More to come thanks for watching!

  • @lenBrill1971
    @lenBrill1971 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm looking for opinions. . . . .Kolb vs Challenger?

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Unfortunately I have never flown a Kolb but I can vouch for the challenger! You will be happy either way! I'm a big guy so the challenger is a no brainer for me! Everyone has different needs!

    • @lenBrill1971
      @lenBrill1971 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @TheJonjonj . . . .thanks. I'm 6'3" and 235lbs.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @lenbrill5434 I had a buddy who had a Kolb and we couldn't fly together because of weight but if he was here we could go in challenger together! But I'm not gonna act like I know the details of the Kolb that was just my experience! I hope my videos help you decide!

  • @mattjasper3083
    @mattjasper3083 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would a badland f3 be about just as difficult to fly?

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would believe it's easier because it falls into the part 103 so it's light and less power! All airplanes have different tendencies! Are you buying one?

  • @kennethhunt4363
    @kennethhunt4363 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jon, good post!

  • @JuanGomez-zj3xb
    @JuanGomez-zj3xb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What kind of radios do the challenger has on board?

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I will make a video dedicated to my cockpit but the short answer is a hand held radio for right now!

  • @bruceprigge5212
    @bruceprigge5212 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you ! 😊

  • @62heliman
    @62heliman ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you tell me what the width of the rear horizontal stab is? I will be taking off the wings of on I purchase. Just need to know that demission going to put everything in a box truck.

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not with it but they fold up very easy and line up with vertical stabilizer

  • @copterjohn
    @copterjohn ปีที่แล้ว

    Fly FBI used to be in Detroit Lakes.

  • @kellywilson8440
    @kellywilson8440 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im thinking of buying the same challenger you have or the aerolite 103 , Whats your thoughts on this please and subd ???

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      The #1 factor is do you hold any licenses private or sport?

    • @kellywilson8440
      @kellywilson8440 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheJonjonj I have no training yet , But will right after purchase im thinking the 103 would be a better fit for now thank you !

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @kellywilson8440 don't rule it out after you get your training they are great airplanes but definitely require more than the aerolite 103!

    • @kellywilson8440
      @kellywilson8440 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheJonjonj Thank you for the insight !

  • @Airborntravler
    @Airborntravler 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Easiest plane I ever flown

  • @TheVanlander
    @TheVanlander ปีที่แล้ว

    Grabber Greg over here pre-flighting 🤪

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😄 🤣 I deserve that lol

    • @TheVanlander
      @TheVanlander ปีที่แล้ว

      @Aviation Adventure Boys Lol great video!

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheVanlander thank you!

  • @victorwedding2739
    @victorwedding2739 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you fly out of Tyler Pounds ? I live in Longview, I’m considering a Challenger II. This video has got me wondering now.🥴

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      I do but not in this airplane I have this about 20 miles west of KTYR

  • @TheMainePilot
    @TheMainePilot ปีที่แล้ว

    Like your videos bro! Really great info! Thanks for mentioning and watching my channel! I will return the plug in my future vids!! ✌️

    • @TheJonjonj
      @TheJonjonj  ปีที่แล้ว

      No problem I love your videos! In one of your videos will you discuss what your emergency procedures are?

    • @TheMainePilot
      @TheMainePilot ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheJonjonj Thank you I really appreciate that,I try but unfortunately I live in Maine and I have little to no content to publish!! The weather has gotten really winter like hahaha 😝

    • @jamesordwayultralightpilot
      @jamesordwayultralightpilot ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah struggle is real now for me as well!