Should You Believe CPU Marketing? - Process Nodes Explained
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so basically he is saying that it does not matter because AMD is doing it, but let Intel do it and he will do a party celebrating how Intel is amazing. This guy is biased and he is paid by intel.
No one said it didn't matter. It's really really important to listen to the words in the video. As stated in the video, a process node worth of increased density results in roughly double the performance.
That sounds pretty important.
Intel is a valued partner, but so is AMD and neither of them sponsored this video.
@@techquickie r/wooooosh
@@techquickie Its a joke. Y'all took it too seriously
Nice joke btw, a video that tells the truth is Intel biased, huh? I guess you meant to say that it should have been AMD biased.
@@techquickie yo techquicke if its this you in the video than you really need haircut and shave and which cpu would you buy and what gpu would you pair it with.
Linus is the kid that actually has his presentation prepared.
his quarantine beard makes him more like a man-child instead of a kid
But drops it and kicks it on its way down.
Lol
He doesn't though. He just reads it from the teleprompter on the go.
Makes it seem like it because of his years of experience
@HorizonSkip wanted to comment that lmao
I like that the ad before this video was an Intel ad saying what's inside matters.
The lady with the dog?
Xue Hia Piao Piao Bei Feng Xiao Xiao yep same!! XD
Well a kidney inside matters quite a lot. Intel should know about that rather than about money inside wallets though.
I did not get that add. But it does say Buy an Intel CPU at the top of the links associated with the video.
intel inside
Mentioning carbon nano tubes without Riley around just doesn't feel right.
Anytime somebody mentions them as a future solution my eyes glaze over.
Who is Riley
@@parthasarathym1882 bruh... he's the best thing that happened to LMG. Check out their Techlinked channel.
If this was a bait or troll then GGs.
I was waiting for it and it never came. Wanna file a class action lawsuit?
"CARBON NANO TUBEEEEES" Riley Murdock
Intel says node size isnt everything.... I imagine it would be very important if they had 7nm and AMD had only 10nm.
They also say benchmarks are out of fashion. Let's rewind a few years...
Node size as a bad measurement has been known throughout the industry for years. It's fine to shit on Intel and all but you could also say that it's TSMC being misleading by labeling performance-equivalent process nodes as "smaller". At the end of the day Intel is behind not because their current top process node has a bigger number attached but because it doesn't fucking work for desktop applications.
If Intel had 7nm and TSMC had 10nm then that would be a CRAZY difference, like more than half, due to how they measure nm differently.
it's always a same story. When Intel CPUs use less power than that's big deal, when they use more than it's what? That's ok and normal. When they are cooler then it's a big deal, when you need $200 cooler to get advertised speed then it's ok, nothing wrong with that. When they have smaller manufacturing process it was OMG, we are so advenced and better and now it's unimportant. And worst of it all - that's what consumers say.
I don't care too much about paid advertise like this one, big companies will always find someone who will sell their BS to the masses and Linus have to many mouths to feed to refuse money. But comment section is where I get stomach problems.
@@fexilsehn6445 Yeah but you can also look throughout history and see Intel is objectively far scummier as a company.
Not sure why people say this "AMD isn't your friend" thing, I mean we know that. They're a company lol It's just that Intel is also close to bottom-tier in that regard, I'd trust them about as much as I trust BP or big tobacco.
This comment was written on a 3770k, also. I'm no fanboy, just a history buff.
“Smaller one is better”
That's what he said
lmao
Señor zeD *NOT*
are you trying to say to your pp to not feel bad? smh 🤔
""...""
When are we going to start measuring performance by how much RGB we have in the system?
Soon
Soon we'll see companies marketing HDR RGB accessories. Man, the performance boost we'll get from that!!
I already do
i thought that was already how it works for gaming pcs?
Of course! Red means more power. Green for more efficiency. And blue lowest the temperatures.
I've worked on one of the 7nm nodes while it was in development. Fins were 8nm wide, fin pitch was 26nm, diffusion/poly layers were over 20x50nm and if transistors were not in an array they had to skip at least 3-4 fins. I think the only thing at 7nm was some spacing between layers...
celeron800 Doesn’t mean they are still meaningful improvements over previous generations though.
Just disassemble ones, put under electon scope, measure the distance, thats all
If Intel had 7nm and AMD 10nm they'd be screaming out loud how important it's the fabrication node, as they don't they compare a 90watts gpu to a 65watts GPU and say it's a cpu comparation
No shit they would, that would be a HUGE difference. Intels 10nm is around the same size transistor packages as TSMCs 7nm, imagine if Intel was on 7 and TSMC on 10
@@BrumBrumBryn by the time Intel reaches 7nm AMD would be on 4nm+ .
@@BrumBrumBryn Its closer to TSMC's 8nm process.
Remember when Intel fanboys were shitting on Bulldozer? I know I was one of those.
Now, Intel doesn't seem to like a bit of shit on their party lol.
I'm now using Ryzen though, it's a cheap 3200g but for my needs is more than enough, and it feels good seeing AMD come back and push Intel this hard.
Nvidia's node is behind AMD yet Nvida continues to demolish them, I don't think node really matters
Intel: Don't talk about benchmarks, transistor size doesn't matter, Apple still loves me... I need help!
Apple just abandoned Intel too lol
Only one of those is still true, transistor size really doesn't matter to normal people. How fast will it be and how much will I need to spend on cooling/my power supply are far more important.
As some system integrators move to using ARM for their devices, the last question of will it actually run all the things I need it to run will also become more and more important too.
The only thing Intel CPUs are good for is gaming if you have a streaming PC with an AMD chip next to it
@@acdbrn2000 TSMC has left the chat
Untermensch “intel wins in streaming and gaming” sooooo... have you been under a rock or what? Not only AMD outperforms intel in streaming and workstation applications but its almost as fast as intel 10th gen when it comes to gaming while costing much less.
Hmmm the words used exactly match Intel's marketing slides with "real world performance", "applications you actually use"
Almost as if he spoke to someone at Intel about this...
ಹ ಹ 😂
@@ChaimS yes but there is a difference between doing research and just regurgitating marketing material
Chaim S Right, people usually quote marketing materials verbatim after speaking to someone from the company...
is “real world performance” concept worse than marketing cell size? i actually think that vice versa
correction at 3:32 increasing surface area of the gate around the channel in FinFET was not to allow more electrons to pass through the channel but to combat short-channel effects and carrier leakage i.e. clamping down on the channel to turn it off when you want the device off. Without FinFET, at these sizes, the field effect would not be able to be controlled by the gate and would be Always-On instead of switching (on/off).
"Does transistor size matter?"
*talks to intel about it*
HMMMMM....
"You just need more pluses"
*Intel replies in pluses*
A shit ton of companies like Apple, AMD Nvidia and other ARM manufacturers use TSMC and none of em advertised 7nm or whatever as inherent as AMD.
Also, before the stagnation with 10nm, Intel were the ones dropping transistor size every year or two. It's best to listen to them and TSMC than companies that don't make transistors themselves like AMD or the companies I mentioned earlier.
@Raver XY you reread it. He basically said it's better to trust intel or tsmc rather than amd when amd doesn't make their own chips
@@cunnyman you are right I threw my 3600 ryzen for a core i7
The whole nm measurement is a hot mess between Samsung, TSMC, and Intel. One will claim 5nm, another 7nm +, and another 10nm etc.
As so correctly stated, you just have to go with performance and architecture as ultimately that is what it is all about.
you have to keep in mind these are all approximations because the transistor gates arent a thing anymore, and that all of their architectures are different so its unsurprising that their approximation processes are different. we should honestly just ignore them and directly look at ipc and perfomance differences
@@manaspradhan8041 What's ipc?
@@Young_Dab i think it is instructions per cycle, but why not just google it when you want to know something?
@@disinque6961 Cause I'm already on the TH-cam app. And interested in knowing other people's knowledge of something
Well, we need a way to compare process nodes without architecture being a consideration. This is the purpose of the nm number... we need an industry standard for it.
"we asked Intel if lower nm matters"
Then we asked Chrystler if we should buy a Tesla
LoL
Seriously, how does no one else see the massive conflict of interest in where they got their information?
Leo did you actually watch the video before you made your accusation?
Intel not managing the 10nm yet doesnt mean the people there are stupid. It is really impressive how their engineers get such performance from this older architecture.
Uhm...Intel is actually more inclined to say nm doesn't matter.
Since Intel 10nm is equivalent to TSMC's 7nm (thus AMD's 7nm). In fact, Intel 10nm has slightly higher transistor density.
So Intel would be stupid if they said nm is the be all and end all or bragged about it.
This is also why AMD is not exactly modest when it comes to marketing their own version of 7nm.
Linus: To learn more about process node size we reached out to intel...
Intel: 14NM+++++ MORE PLUSES IS MORE PERFORMANCE GUYS.
its ok bro typical amd fanboy with a 3600 at best
@buffalo wt it is shit cant even beat 8700k which is 3 years old
@@maderi well the Ryzen 5 3600 is ~$170 while the i7-8700k is ~$350. You can't compare those two you smurf
@@_koifishpond yeah is 170 3 years later again mupet
@@maderi You're literally comparing a 3-year-old Mercedes S class to a 2020 Honda civic. That's just stupid
Six and a half minutes of damage control.
Of literally the truth, it's amazing how much people get hurt by someone saying something that it is literally a fact
This video feels like intel's last solution because they can't get into 7nm
no, Intel's 10nm = 7nm of the rest of the industry. but I think we will never get mainstream 10nm they're way behind schedule
"It's always more important to pay attention to the real world performance that you'll see in game an applications that you actually use". Lol, even AMD is winning
@@rjuez00 By the time Intel gets to 10 nm, flying cars are going to be a thing
Damage control marketing plan is in full swing.
This has been a thing for years.. It's not a thing made by Intel.. It was there when AMD was doing shit.
Ok but missed opportunity to have Riley come and say carbon nanotubes at the end
Agreed
Apple CPU doesn't lie
Alternate timeline: Intel sponsored this video to explain why its smaller node is EVERYTHING.
Drinking game: Take a shot everytime Linus says "seven".
That's a lot of shots for 7 min lmao
where am i
_dies_
th-cam.com/video/2skgGNk8rZk/w-d-xo.html
missed opportunity to have Riley deliver the "CARBON NANOTUBES!!!!" line.
Apple CPU doesn't lie
Whatever happens we get a FPS boost in gaming and that’s what I need.
Uhm... Could you add TSMC engineer instead of intel?
Intel's 10nm is about on par with TSMC's 7nm, even if it's been garbage in practice. Why would it matter?
Pravdax M Cause TSMC has started producing 5nm nodes while intel is still stuck with 14nm++++++++++++++ cpus on the desktop side lol
@@void9092 It doesn't matter because this is a video about facts not about if Intel is better than TSMC
@@void9092 "oh shit better add 'on the desktop side' because I know 10nm is already in laptops and can't shit on them that way anymore"
Bruman ah yes. Intel is totally doing fine if you completely ignore the fact that they’re only now getting their 10nm chips in only some products in mid 2020 and TSMC was producing millions and millions of 7nm chips all the way back in 2018
I can't stress enough on how important to me this video was on explaining to me the number of nanometers I am always hearing or seeing on looking up a cpu. Thank you so much!
In real life, you can go from the benchmarks instead.
@@kensmith5694 which pretty much follows the logic that smaller is better, usually.
Of course Intel would say it doesn't matter. They can't keep up with AMD and TSMC. 😂🤣😂🤣
it doesnt in gaming...intel still the king and will be
Well Intel say it doesen't matter it is kinda true.
Linus even says that real world performance is more important and AMD is destroying Intel there.
A part of course if money dosen't matter and your into gaming or some other niche application.
Only talking for desktop. Server market is a more complex topic.
@Prem Koomr high core count doesn't work without high clock speeds
@@Jonas_Meyer 10th gen exist
@@jared5941 Very few games utilize 8 or even 6 threads. If they do, you will be GPU bottlenecked. 4 threads is still more than enough in 2020.
3:08 - If we're living in a simulation, then quantum tunneling is a clipping error.
Seems like a pretty serious bug though, devs pls fix
Isn't it more like data disappearing through the noise floor (at the other end of the system's dynamic range)?
No, it is the loss of some LSBs and not a clip at the maximum. The number of bits to describe a particle is fixed. The more that are allocated to storing accurate position the fewer can be used for the velocity. This is why when you multiply the two you get the same number of bits in the result no matter which you favor with more bits.
Gotta love subtle intel promotion with their "real world performance" bull...
Well, if you go and ask Intel if the number of nano meters matter, of course they'll say no.
All this video said is that the size isnt all that matters. Its exactly what Linus said at the end.
And dont put me off as an Intel fanboy to inflate your ego. Im typing this on a Ryzen Laptop
@@sgtmaggi I'm making a joke fun fact
Back in my day, CPUs had just 5 transistors and that's the way we liked it.
SuperAtheist ...5? Holy shit u lucky. We could only afford 1, but it ran like a sumbitch at 1 Gazillion Hz. ....LOL.... :)
I wonder if you'd like your phone cpu to have 5 transistors
Luxury, you had transistors! We would have dreamed of transistors.
It is explained here:
th-cam.com/video/ue7wM0QC5LE/w-d-xo.html
you had transistors? on my time all we had was a vacuum tube, and took the electricity of 10 homes to make the thing work for 10 minutes before it melted... and that's how we liked it!
5:30 _"Just remember that the processor node isn't the be all and end all when you're shopping for a CPU anyway"_
Oh and real world performance, but at what cost in efficiency?
Check your process node for answers.
CEO of Linus media group is CEO of intel confirmed
Are you CEO of TSMC or something?
Nah. Measure real world efficiency if you want to determine the efficiency of the node. TSCM's 7nm is similar to Intel's 10nm in what regards transistor density, thus being somewhat equal in efficiency, despite "7nm" suggesting TSCM's gate size being 70% of Intel's 10nm (suggesting in consequence that TSCM has the lead). Because there is no measuring standard (and they are basically estimates of what the performance should look like), process node is a term that can be used, and actually is, to mislead customers.
@@diegofkda199 This comment should be pinned
@@diegofkda199 doesn't change the fact that Intel's chips are 200% overpriced so even if they're as electrically as efficient Intel is still horrible value. The tradeoff for anything midrange is literally a tiny bit of clock speed vs double the core and/or thread count
This was amazingly useful, thank you very much for the invaluable info. Much appreciated.
I really enjoy the deep dives into tech like this!
A very "tactful" footnote about "real world" benchmarking Linus. Gotta keep 'em happy I know. 😉
can you do a techquickie about AMD/Intel vs ARM and etc processors
ಅಲ್ವಾ ? Apple ಸಹ ಮುಂದೆ ARM ಬಲಸತ್ತೆ , ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಒಳ್ಳೆ ಹೋಲಿಕೆ ವಿಡಿಯೋ ಅಗತೆ 👌
x86 vs arm
lookup CISC (x86) vs RISC (ARM)
This should've been put on "$h!t Manufacturers Say" instead of techquickie
edit: this was intended to be a joke, the main point of this video is just "processor architecture (XX nm) are defined differently among manufacturers thus you might not compare the figures or the numbers side by side"
Why?
@@broomer0 because they boast about their manufacturing processes? Though it's usually the media and the fanboys
*Valen* Well said
It wouldn't, because this is an ad...
@@n1tr0sys09 shut the f up AMD fanboy
Really, enjoyed this deeper dive.
intel: we're not on the smallest advertised process node
also intel: process node numbers done matter
everyone else: you sure, as AMD are kicking your a$$ on a lower process node.
Breaking news! It's not AMD's 7/5nm! It's TSMC! AMD contribute nothing into getting into smaller fabrication!
Guess an Aymdiot fanboy detected!
@@AlfaPro1337 Salty blue tears much?
Lol I know why amd is ahead is becoz they use tsmc for fabrication while intel for some complicated reasons not doing.
@@AlfaPro1337 How do those Intel boots taste?
@@AlfaPro1337 and so what? Who stops Intel from selling their factories to some third-grade chipmaker and placing orders at TSMC as well?
"We reached out to a company using a 7 year old process"
We've reached out to a market leader that is loosing ground and has a vested interest in dismissing any relevance of the topic we're discussing and didn't even take a moment to see if thier main competitor saw things any differently.
NeutralAtJSP Lmao!
Yep. Sponsored by Intel says it all. And do not believe it when Linus says "real world performance". That is Intel's BS marketing rubbish. Shame on you Linus. Check this video out for more info: th-cam.com/video/Gj5_uc4ScNE/w-d-xo.html
@@grizzly6699 Shut the f up AMD fanboy
@@ahsanqureshi786 you're so mad amd is just better
thanks much for these informative vids!
This is mindblowing, thank you so much!
'Carbon Nanoooo Tuuuuuuuuube" - Said Riley
Cultural comment. Bigsby would approve.
Thanks, had to look for that comment! :D
was expecting him to come in
@@SergioEduP yeah it's a shame that they didn't *insert* Riley in for "Carbon NanoooTuuuuuube"
Everyone 2020 cannot get any worse!
2020: Linus saying apple rocks
I wanna know where?
He didnt say that but I was like thats one of the worst thing that could happen in 2020.
Well, I’m all for praise when things are good. If they are good, then it’s fine to say they’re good :P
y’all gonna hurt when ARM based Macs will make AMD completely obsolete lol
@@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 yeah bruh apple silicon will be da best
Just saw your rant on WAN, wanted to jump in here and thank you for the deeper dive. I very much appreciated the info, and perspective you offered. The idea you got flack for it is surprising to me. Gotta hate that internet toxicity. Thanks again, more please!
Video idea for you, Ram timings - how and why they matter. keep up the great work, love your content
How can someone dislike the video that was uploaded 1 minute ago yet the video is 6 minutes and thirty-seven seconds
dislike bots
40 seconds in is the reason why
Probably an AMD fanboy
they took the _"hate-watch us"_ part at the end too seriously
_From intel....._ is enough
I think this is the earliest I've ever been
Ya. Me too
Same
WHY DO YOU COMPETE
Same
WHY ARE YOU GUYS OBSESSED WITH BEING EARLY
Great video, I liked the performance matters the most part at the end.
Great video, thanks a lot!
Moore Transistors is very Noyce.... I'll see myself out.
Moore's Law has actually been considered dead for a while in the Computer Engineering community. We need to move on from planer 2D lithography and focus on monolithic 3D lithography with better thermals even at a higher die size. EUV is also prohibitively expensive for any manufacturer that isn't TSMC- or GlobalFoundaries-level.
CNTFETs are pretty great though, but we need to have better package cooling especially with hybrid systems within packages. Kaby Lake G had an AMD graphics die within the "CPU" packaging connected with interconnects to the actual CPU die. I can't wait until ReRAM gets placed in an M3D configuration (as in ILV not TSV) on HPC or consumer chips. GAAFETs are also definitely a game-changer.
I'm disappointed that you didn't added Riley when saying " carbon nanotubes" 😂
when learning about how they made processors pre-3d i always wondered why they couldnt go 3d and "stand that on end" or "stand that on edge" "lay that on its side" after talking to a friends uncle whos a samsung eng, they had the same thought and, had been talking about it at the time, mostly as a way to boost both ram and nand memory capacities on the same size die, or make the same capacities smaller in the case of microsd type chips... he actually took some ideas he got from talking with us back then and apparently used them, not sure whos, like 8 of us came over to play DND and watch movies for the weekend, and he decided to join us rather then hang with the other relations that had come into town for their family reunion, the uncle spent 1/2 his time in the US and 1/2 in korea/tw/etc even going directly to the lithography plants and looking into issues/bugs and, how they could be fixed, since sometimes, they have to tweak the design from what "should work" to what will work with the lith tech and how it behaves in actual use... one reason he was so successful i think, was, the man never assumed anything would work as expected, and has always been willing to try something, even if it seems stupid "This cant work"... more then once, over the years he came back with "that shouldnt work, but, it does, now we just need to figure out why it works this way, and, what that means for future designs, and, if theres some way we can exploit or improve on this..."
he was building a, and i kid not, electric-steam powered remote control plane, the batteries or capacitor was used to eat a closed loop steam engine he had built in his spare time, by built.. he machined the blocks and built over a dozen prototypes out of some high grade heat resistant plastics, before flushing the design out and making it out of aluminum, it was actually amazingly functional.. the only real issue was.. with the tech of the day, he had a hell of a time getting the temp control and throttle setup to work quite as he desired.. (im told now that hes semi-retired, he got that sorted and, the things got an old smartphone in it as a "Brain" that can report back all sorts of shit depending on what hes added, it can also fly for longer then the vast majority of remote planes..
im told, hes now talking about a design idea one of his old work buddies came up with, thats sort of like a modern drone... but, using mini turbines, that are actually powered by steam, rather then electrically driven.. the whole thing came about when one of his friends won an auction for the contents of several storage lockers, and found an old steam car in it, in perfect condition, i mean, the thing just needed somebody fimiliar with the tech to give it a once over, add some lube a few places, filled with water and fuel, and no joke took them 45min to get it working and have a cop offer to escorte them to the place a few blocks away that could get it both appraised officially and get the thing setup as street legal and the title issues taken care of.. turns out the old fellow who owned it, was still alive, but in bad physical shape, and had just let the storage units laps because he was never going to be able to do what he planned with any of it.. apparently, they befriended him and... well he lived longer then the doctors expected, and, got to ride in the steam car again.. any time he asked... im told though that a few of them started getting ideas after looking at how the steam engine worked...
an electric-steam hybrid could actually, im told, possibly could be more efficient and powerful then current electric or combustion engines, and, in some ways simpler then those techs as well.. since, in many cases a very simple closed loop near zero loss system for engine, with electric used to heat the liquid, could genuinely give more power for the same or less energy used, and, a simple steam engine...isnt all that complex... and if you are mechanically minded, you can watch how it functions and figure out what the majority of the parts are doing just from deduction alone, but, another advantage im told, they could actually use hybrid metal/plastic blocks and such with current plastics/carbon-fiber/etc type materials, there are a good number of ways they could build a block that was light and durible, able to take the pressure thats required to operate the unit and, possible as much pressure as the system can produce before other components will fail.. (emergency pressure valve to discharge if it hits a pressure above what its rated for/set at.
anyway.. the idea is neat.. and so is the idea of 3d transistors, carbon nanotubes, graphine..... they have stuck with silicon as the base in no smallpart because its duriable and a substance thats well understood, other materials they have tested that give superior results have serious flaws im told, one being, they can be quite fragile and even the pressure of an ihs under a cooler could damage them, the flex of bga packages expanding/contracting from heat... etc... the most promising seems to be silicon and carbon nanotube...
4:36 10nm ~mid 2017
He he he
I would have liked a comparison of how TSMC and Intel count a new process
lame attempt by Intel to divert attention from their competition, "the size isn't all the story hey look what intel has done..."
Love the video, I learned about this around two months ago, and I wondered how come you never said anything about it.
0:18 subtitle "And why node". Didn't think we would notice, but we did
We all know who really should’ve cried “CaRbOn NaNoTuBeS” in the video
You need to make more scrapyard wars! As well as more super cool factory tours. I loved your tour of the fission reactor video.
That ear and nose hair trimmer sponsership came very surprising after such an interesting professional high tech video :D
I expected Riley to scream when Linus mentioned carbon nanotubes
I'd love to see 1nm processors in coming years. It would be damn interesting
I wonder if they will go below 1 nm. Is it even possible?
This video pop up after Intel Marketing launch their New Real World Performance benchmarks,
Coincidence much ?
A video a bout Markeing lies ...right after Intel's partners slides of lies and deception exposed by AdoredTV - Linus should know better.
Thank you. Love the science videos
Also, how the transistors get used matters. An ARM gets more done per transistor than an X86 because the simpler instruction set means there are fewer transistors set aside for things that are rarely done in real software. All processors theses days have a "pipeline" with multiple instructions working their way through it. If another stage of pipeline is added a lot of extra work elsewhere in the chip also needs to happen for things like branch prediction. Deeper pipelining helps to let you move to a higher clock but comes at a cost.
The message in the video, while technically true, leaves a bad taste to me. It points specifically to intel current weaknesess, and might be taken wrongly by the uneducated crowd
@Caleb P isn't the amd threadripper the best processor though?
@Caleb P Yeah I was also disappointed by the 5% less frame rates on AMD.
@Caleb P Umm no actually. Intel cpus are 5% maybe 10% better at gaming even in the best case scenario. And in scenario they are even slower than competing ryzen chips. But in either cases intel is the more expensive one by a significant margin.
Unless you want the absolute best performance and do nothing but gaming and money is no object to you, then sure go for intel.
Note : What I said is true for most cases. There are some exceptions where intel is actually the better option but they are quite rare.
I think we have wait for 10nm for intel to regain the gaming king title
PC enthusiasts: Less nanometres is good!
Intel, struggling to go below the 10nm threshold: Nah, it's just marketing BS, size does not matter THAT much!
I am using this as a source for a college paper and I hoped that you would know that Linus thank you for explaining this to me because I had it super wrong you saved my butt.
Thanks for the great vids. When will you do one on Koomey's law and other computer "laws"?
"we reached out to people who work at intel for information on process nodes, when they've been on the same one for 6 years at this point. Surely this won't lead to biased answers saying that anything smaller than 14nm is a waste of time"
well the video didn't give those answers
but it didn't, fanboy. Neither AMD nor Intel will care how much you suck up to them
You can always check wikichip if you think this is biased. Also pcgamer did an article on why isn't intel's 10 nm bigger than AMD's 7nm or something like that.
"I commented before I watched the video and now look like an idiot."
The video literally never said that, moron.
gotta love how the comments manages to devolve the topic to a fanboy dispute
TH-cam's the best
gpu nm anyone
Thanks for finally cleaning up some loose bits of missing data.
Can you please make a video about future CPUs? And about how the carbon nano tubs would work ? Thanks!
Intel: using nm cannot be measure number of transistors today.
instead, we invented "+" measurement.
Hmmm...when I read "Is CPU Marketing a LIE?" my first thought was how they like to use the boost speed to market their CPU's EG: 5.3GHz in the marketing trying to make people think it is actually gonna hit those speeds all of the time when in fact it might hit it not often at all and if it does only on 1 core and for about 1 millisecond. Oh another lie TDP numbers or at least how they are measured and actually mean nothing now days because the chip might only actually run at those TDP's under very very light loads and only if it stays at base clock rate.
Everyone that makes CPU's now days should be forced to market their chips with full load TDP numbers since that is what the chips will be runnning at most of the time when actually being used by the consumer. This not only tells everyone what to expect from a CPU it also informs them just how much cooling they are gonna need to keep things all nice and cool.
Instead we got some piece about talking about nodes. Yes we know different companies measure their nodes differently/ Most that can read have known this for 20 years now.
imagine pico meter node, if to small, even electron cannot flow
Linus Media Group has filled the early 00’s TechTV hole in my life. Thanks dude
You know, the "Intel inside" sticker, isn't that important anymore...
We need new ones, like "AMD inside" and "ARM inside". 😉
Lucian Andries
That would be stealing Intel's patent.
AMD stickers already exist... ARM, though... not so much, but to be real, it's really hard to quantify and explain which ARM CPUs are better compared to the other ARM CPUs. It's like combining explaining Nvidia's Titan lineup with listing which Prizm models share parts with which Corolla models.
@@InfernosReaper If they only say AMD then there is NO problem but if they say AMD inside, Intel can sue them.
Why would you want ARM stickers? You don’t see “X86 Inside” stickers, do you?
ironic how you spoke with intel about this one
Thanks...nice recap.
I’m not sure if you have done this video before, but it would be interesting to know what magnets do to electronics,
it was always a big no no to have magnets next to your electronics but now it seems to be normal to have magnet phone cases and other bits
Linus legit looks more like Luke everyday
Omg, Luke is secretly taking over Linus' body to get back in front of the camera...
He just needs to gain like 200 pounds.
“CPU node size doesn’t matter”
“This video sponsored by Intel”
Lol
The video is not sponsored, and the video actually states how important is the process node
Thanks for axtually paying attention Ricardo. There's some obnoxiously toxic crap in this comments section.
@@techquickie True, everyone here thinks that Intel paid you to tell everyone that node size doesn't matter.
Techquickie oh toughen up Karen. You understood the point. I wasn’t toxic”
@@techquickie Still you are using obvious antiquated Intel marketing in the end segment, when it is obviously better to compare processor performance under certain workloads to gauge true CPU performance, regardless of "Real World" applications. Gotta make Intel happy somehow lol.
Intel: please buy our 14nm chips
Hello Linus, I thank you for the information that you have provided through your channel about the computer build. I saved money for a year and finial got my 1st gaming system and I could not have done it without your informative videos. Thanks and God Bless.
Asking intel about node size when they are stuck at one size.
I see Intel’s decided to start sending checks again.
I already desubbed the main account as there were obvious but not marked sponsored vids by intel.
I am afraid I might unsub to this channel too.
I feel like his whole content quality goes down the drain currently.
Check out the following video about Intel's BS marketing in relation to this: th-cam.com/video/Gj5_uc4ScNE/w-d-xo.html
great explanation, always wondered how Intel determined their node metric
This was interesting thank you
last time I was this early was when Intel released a CPU and had no known security vulnerabilities yet
So you never turned up then 😉
@@willthomas7239 oof
0:39
From Intel about Nanometer ?
I hope the Video will be Fair
Why indians are so obsessed with AMD ? Go to benchmarks softwares and compare intel 10 th gen processor to Ryzen 3000/ 4000 series and see the actual difference .
@@tdmguy8304 What should I see ?
AMD is way ahead of Intel at a TDP of 35 watt ..!
Believe it or not , I have seen Benchmark by multiple YT Channels . and The results are same
And if in any case , Intel performs SLIGHTLY better then also I'll choose AMD because I won't sacrifice battery Backup for those extra 3 FPS
I really wanna see TECH T&A... make it happen!
Caption says "And why node?" instead of "why not" XD love it
The title should have been "CPU process node as fast as possible", I feel like that question in that title hasn't been answered.
Intel told him to say "size doesn't matter ".😅
You know you're early when video says it has 6 views
@@kiwiyt5423 same
I remember hearing about researchers getting some insane speeds (350 Ghz IIRC) out of graphite based processors. Wonder if they're still looking at that?
Excellent video. More microelectronics topics please.
I know it's intel that provided the information, and some insight is really useful and interesting, but a lot of o stuff u said and focused on are really based on intel marketing, if this is not a public sponsored intel video, please focus on the information about the process and not justifying the slow down of intel
It is a lie when you put “7nm” on what is clearly an intel CPU design
stfu intel has 5nm cpu's
@@hexagonist23 xD
@@hexagonist23 name one?
@@SertQuos lake field is coming
mr TUVOK is it out today? No. Most of their chips are still 14nm and they barely have 10nm only on their low power laptop CPUs.
Great video!!!