@@Kajukota I'm currently rocking a i5 2500K + P67A-UD4 B3 since its launch, I have it OC at 4.2Ghz atm. It has been overcloacked since launch (was 4.5Ghz, then 4.4Ghz and now at 4.2Ghz to lower the V a bit), no idea If its the degradation of the CPU or motherboard that makes me have to downcloak it every ~3-4 years (same safe V).
It probably is, but his point is mostly that it’s not worth investing into it now. If you have had this combo for a while, you already got your money’s worth
My 1055t has been overclocked for 11 years and is still kicking. Paired with an RX570 these days vs the old 6850. Not my primary system but still capable with reasonable expectations.
I had a 1055t up until last year, and it did pretty well with a GTX 1070. Could play most games at 1440p with reasonable performance. I did get a decent gaming boost when I upgraded to a 5600x, but I also came forward about a decade.
I had a 4 core AMD 965 that I unlocked 2 extra cores on to make it 6 cores, overclocked to about 3.8GHz. I sold it, but I still know someone that is gaming on it. Those Phenom 2s ripped!
Love it when Linus calls out my 1600 AF. Those Ryzen chips never get enough recognition for the bang for the buck when they were around 100 bucks. Those things were AMAZING deals.
My first build was a 14 dollar Intel Xeon x3440 and on this super sketch looking LGA 1156 motherboard and honestly, it ran so good for what i paid. Unfortunately, that was many years ago
i7-4770K owner here. 🖐️ I remember when I upgraded to it (from a much-loved and hard-driven Phenom II) being bummed out that I'd lost the binning lottery and couldn't manage more than a trivial stable overclock. Kind of a relief to hear it probably wouldn't have even been worth it if I had.
Not for my gaming machine, but i upgraded my Plex server to have a 4770 from an old i3 and it works very well. Combined with a $40 GTX780, it makes for a great machine. I don't game on it because i don't need to, but it is more than capable of gaming.
Haswell has aged well, it's still keeping up with some low-end i3 chips. My haswell rig recently died, but I'm grateful that the haswell was the peak of Intel, that machine aged well for me.
Gotta agree here I'm still rocking my i7 4790 I built 5 years ago, in that time all I've changed was upgrading from dual R9 290X's to a single GTX 1070 and while I keep contemplating upgrading, I sometimes cant even justify it, I still get solid performance on everything I want to play. The main driver to upgrade atm is I want a VR setup, but I've even wondered if just a GPU upgrade would be sufficient.
@@MrJaiimez won't even be necessary unless you want to play high-end vr games. Most will run fine on your rig, I play VR games using the original Oculus Rift on a Ryzen 2600 with GTX970 (living room pc) just fine. Not No Mans Sky though. Not even on low details :D
+1 to the Haswell love! I'm on an i7-5960X (Haswell-E) and it keeps up well with my current 3090 FE at 1440p-5K gaming. I feel like this CPU was almost ahead of its time with the 8 cores.
@@MrJaiimez same dude, I had the 4790 and R9 290, what a monster duo for the time, and talk about amazing bang-for-your-buck too. that machine aged so well, i'd still use it if the mobo didn't burn out
This is exctly the reason why I got my Ryzen 1600 back in autumn 2017 with a 200$ GTX 1060 for my hi-res monitor. Little did I know that would be the last time GPU prices were also going to be sane. Locally, I can't get a new RTX 3060 for less than 1000$ for an upgrade
I have a 1060 6gb I got at the beginning of the rush. Frye's employee price matched me on a 3gb model and I got it for $179. No regrets or shame considering all that happened afterwards. Still rocking just fine, even with newer titles (albeit medium settings).
Still rocking my ryzen 5 1600, was lucky to get a 1660ti at msrp before everything went downhill. Happy it can game really well at 1440p Edit: actually it was less than msrp, I got it around $260
I should've just bought one of these used 2080 tis that were going for 400 when this started as I had the money to spare but didn't... Fuck, I'm still stuck with my Rx 580 8GB which still holds it's own really well, but one starts to notice it's age more and more
3:50 wow. I wished they'd highlight the tested unit more often. That's so much more useful than "Here's a chart of random letters and numbers. Have fun."
@@MeltedForest how about you make something better with minor effort instead of asking people to pause and waste time every single time a graph pops up. the person wasn't saying it's impossible to find it and was just giving constructive feedback.
@@electrikshock2950 how about you read something better with minor effort instead of asking people to stop talking and waste time every single time a graph pops up. the person wasn't saying it's impossible to find it and was just giving constructive feedback.
Bought one in its best, no regrets whatsoever. What a fucking beast it is
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For those of you unfamiliar with the 1600AF, it's really a slightly downclocked 2600. AMD had run out of first generation dice and had a surplus of second generation, so rather than inventing some new SKU like a 2500 they branded them as a new variant of the 1600 to get them out the door. You still get all the Zen+ architecture improvements, just with the clock speeds of the 1600 unless you overclock.
Was rocking a 4790k up till near the end of last year. Worked damn fine for the 7 years I used it for. Still going strong in my kids machine with a 1070sc.
I still using similar combo i7 4790 + gtx 1070 + z97 pro asus for 1080 games most in ultra no problems even using premiere with files of a7lll in 4k you don't have problems to edit in real time .it cost me I total 550€ 6 years ago in second hand here in spain.
Same, and I changed because of the motherboard. I still keeped this beast tu run a 2nd PC if I need it one day as I know this thing will still rock for a long time.
Ye I was running a i7 2600 non K for 10 yrs and now im upgrading to an i7 11700k. Reason why im not going 12th gen is I hate windows 11 and it has almost same gaming pearformance and is a lot cheaper. less than 200 for z490 250 for i7 11700k and not to mention DDR5 ram prices barfff.
Linus made an amazing point talking about how it's weird how x99 boards are worth so much still. A few months back sold my i7 5820k 16gb ram and msi gaming 7 x99 motherboard for over $350!! Considering how long I had that stuff and used it I couldn't belive the value was still high enough to fully purchase my new cpu
i've used xeons for a lot of pc flips cause of their excellent price to performance ratio. i normally can get a e5-2670,80 16gb ddr3 and a cheap x79 board for under 125$ which is pretty consistent deal
Using a xeon e5-1650 v2. 4.3ghz all core 6 core, 12 thread for $50. In a Dell precision t3610 with a Rx 570 makes for a killer budget rig. Plus ECC memory is cheap.
problem is that only cheap x79 motherboards in large volumes are the Chinese ones with scavenged chipsets. some of those can be good but beware of undercooled VRM's. same can be said for x99 motherboards too. though it's possible to be lucky. right after Christmas i picked up an Asus P9X79-E WS for less than 50$, it had some 1066MHz Kingston ECC sticks and an xeon E5-1607, all stuck inside an 3U rack case with broken PSU... (broken as someone had managed to snap out the power connector by tripping on the cable) they had no idea what was inside else from the CPU and just wanted to get the old server out since they where replacing it also picked up an old relic in form of an MSI K8T Master2-FAR7 at same place... for 10$.
@@brrebrresen1367 ikr the only way to look for good motherboard is getting some serious researching, like the only good provider i know are only huananzhi, jingsha and machinist outside that there's the risk of damaged boards even though those providers have the same probability of giving damaged boards the possibilities are lower
Very true, Bryan from tech yes city ran (almost) the same tests, in some games 4 times the FPS. Test rig of Linus had a nasty performance bug. th-cam.com/video/5IAeTXf8TWI/w-d-xo.html
Honestly a bit surprised that he didn't mention the Xeon E5-1620v2 and AliExpress X79 mobo combo. Same lithography as Haswell but I managed to get CPU, mobo, and Ram for about $100 and X79 allows for M.2 gen 3 support
Yeah; looking at all those "It's cheap at 400 USD" videos sometimes makes you forget most of the world can't cough up that kind of money just like that...
I was running a 4770k until last summer when my motherboard failed. I ended up with the same bad value problem they’re talking about here. At the time, my options for replacement boards were crap, so I jumped on the chance to modernize my setup.
same, my previous rig with the 4790k was running into problems after problems, and 1-2 sticks of ram started failing. So I jumped at the chance to get an almost completely new rig with the 5600x. One of the main reasons was also that system builders/shops in my country doesnt sell GPUs ala-carte so that you HAVE to build a brand new PC if you want to get a new GPU, which was my plan to get a 3080. But I ended up building the PC without the new GPU anyway cause I can't convince myself to pay 2x the original price for a 3080, even though I could afford it. Now Im rocking this brand spanking new sick looking PC with a (still running really great to be fair) EVGA 1070 stuck in it hahaha. Man I wish this shitstorm would be over soon. I'm thinking about waiting for the 4080 at this point lol.
the 2600 is definitely still a banging chip especially for low to mid range setups, it has good over clocking potential and with a good motherboard, can be replaced with a Ryzen 5000 in a year or so.
People used to overlook this processor in favor of the 2600X, which is barely any faster and any advantage could be mitigated with a mild overclock. Plus, it was cheaper.
I absolutely love my 2600, can hit 4.1GHz no problem and paired with an RX 570 8GB, might have to turn some settings down here and there. But it handles pretty much every game I throw at it. Also just upgraded to a Ryzen 5000 compatible MOBO for the future.
I retired my 2600 to go to a 5600x when I got my 3070 a couple months ago. Upgraded my ram and the same time and kept the old components to build another pc for my brother. 100 bucks for a mobo and case later and the 2600/1080 combo he’s got is still an absolute beast at high refresh rate 1080. The ability to use the same mobo’s to upgrade to 3/5 series CPU’s and the performance on a budget should make it super enticing for people on budget, especially when you consider how cheap you can get some of these b450’s as well!
@@TylerL220 with you on that, I'm rocking basically the same (rx580 instead) but according to hwminitor my 2600, not overclocked has hit speeds of over 5.5ghz on single cores (though I don't think I believe it)
Hell yeah, the 4770k was the first standalone CPU that i bought in 2014 for my first gaming pc and i loved it. Now i've repurposed it as a Linux/TrueNAS server running things like Plex and various containers and its great
@@LividAxis no sht sherlock, it came a year after intel noticing there's no competition for their 4770k and decided to make it a lil better for a brand new price back then.
@@LividAxis In it's own right, great CPU. In reality, terrible deal. It's the fastest LGA1150 CPU you can get and so of course it's way overpriced accordingly.
You can often get mobo + cpu bundle for cheaper than both separately, sometimes even with ram. 4790K goes for over 100 euros but I have seen 4790k+mobo+8-16gb ram for 150 euros often.
I sold that excact combo for only 120 euros. I made someone happy with a good deal and i didnt need it anyway. This way it was out of the house fast also
I wish you also mentioned the extra premium needed for a Z-series board capable of overclocking. You can find H-series board for dirt cheap if you're going for a 4770K that, as you said, doesn't really need an OC.
I got a H97 board 2 years ago for about $70 to replace my B85 board that died after 5 years. Was a great deal since it has almost everything I need for 33% less money than I paid for the B85 board when I built my PC, and also a lot more stable. The H7 series is usually overlooked but for old hardware they are often very close to Z series in terms of features while costing less.
I upgraded my i7-920 to a i7-980X ~1year ago :-) Overclocked to 4,3GHz, 24gig tripple channel Ram and my trusty gtx1060. I am so happy with this. Runs every day perfect for me.
I'm running a 2600, OC to 3.8, and I'm very happy with it. I can easily run most games with OBS recording at 1080p and mostly above 60 FPS. Doing video editing however does show its shortcomings, but it's tolerable unless you're doing something extensive
@@Dragon-xd9em If you have a GPU i would go for a xeon. Especially if you have an LG1150 socket something like a E3 1230 V3 which you can pick up for less than an I5 4590 but it matches an 4770
The sleep issue could be caused by the GPT. Installing Windows 10 on MBR could fix the issue. It fixed the sleep issue for my Lenovo M91p i5-2500 system.
@@parliamentarian6598 letting people know of a issue they had isn't him "not knowing how to fix it". He was letting people know the issue exists and you may run into it. You're just missing the point.
Interesting. I didn't know that was a thing. The oldest system I put Win10 on in UEFI mode is a Dell Latitude E6330 Ivy Bridge laptop, no issues there (as long as you keep the flaky PCIe cardreader disabled). Sandy Bridge era desktop boards still had their share of UEFI bugs in general, I suppose you really are best off sticking with CSM + MBR there.
Until recently where I went to new gen Intel I've run this CPU for so long across so many upgrades on my GPU (GTX1070 -> RTX 2070 -> RTX 3080). It did it service well and man probs one of the best CPU's ever made!
Im still rocking a 4790k and and a gtx 1070 at 1440p and I have no issue. I only play dota2 so I can run at 120hz no problem. looking to get a 3060ti to replace it but not counting on it.
This was surprisingly applicable to my situation. Currently rocking a i7-4770(non-K) and a GTX970. Maybe there is time for me to go looking for a new 3000 series graphics card...
Also using an old GTX970 but it's impossible to get 30 series GPUs around here for sensible prices. I'm waiting for 40 series at this point, and will try to be quick about it once the 4080 comes out.
Maybe check your PCI version support on your mobo? My GTX970 got a HUGE boost when I upgraded my system around it because my old mobo only had PCI 2.0 support and the card was built with PCI 3.0 capabilities. I didnt even realize and thought I would need a new card this year until my Frames doubled or more in just about every game I have an FPS counter for.
Xeon content! I'm here for this! Anyways, i think its commonly acceptable at this point that intel CPUs from 1st gen core-i generations like that Xeon are past their useful life. However I've used plenty of those with Windows 10 gaming PC flips in the past. Xeon w3670, w3680, w3690, x5675, x5650, and x5687. Never had sleep or other weird issues, whether i overclocked them or not. Finding deals on 1st gen Ryzen or going with 4th gen core-i or Xeon haswell CPUs is a much better play nowadays. The hot ticket right now, if for some reason 1st gen Ryzen is out of reach, would be unlocked Xeons on cheap chinese X79 and X99 motherboards. I've got an entire video going over these Xeons and which ones are good as a matter of fact, Linus! This was a great breakdown on why X58, X79, and X99 boards got so expensive though. Thats for sure.
Microcenter was selling the R5 1600 for $79 in 2019 prior to 3rd gen launch. Built several rigs for friends and family with it. Even today, that's an amazing CPU deal.
so everyone here knows that linus didn't exactly hit this one out of the park right? Ran an evga sr-2 for years with none of these issues, even had a 2080 ti with it at one point. they clearly had a bad board or missed something painfully obvious. Anyone here wanting an accurate depiction of six core xeon performance should def look at Tech YES City's videos on it using proper working parts and methodology.
Also there is an Ukrainian called Miyconst that tests this kind of platforms, X58, X79, X99 etc. Nowhere did is ever see 30-40 fps in his testing newer games on those platforms.
Yea this one of the few times where linus really screwed up a video so badly that it upsets me how terrible they did. TechYES and RandomGaminHD do plenty of coverage on X58 these xeons and Gulftown i7 are plenty capable and my 980 X has similar performance to even my more recent 6th gen i7 6700.
I used the i7-4770 until last month. It worked great with all of the GPU's i used in the time, such as a 770 and 970. I now have a 2060 in my new pc, but i'm sure it would work fine with the i7-4770 too.
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I ran a 3930k for years, being one of the first 6 core CPUs it held up beautifully. In the end I handed it off to a friend who is still happily using it now.
I'm still using a 3820. I was thinking about upgrading to the 4960X for $100 and maybe get a couple more years out of it. Never had any issues with it. Strangely I can have over 50 tabs open in chrome and firefox at the same time without any lag but a lot of my friends on discord with new pcs say they can't have 1/3 of that or else they get mouse lag. Also the same with super fast twitch chats lagging them but I'm not seeing. I just find that strange with having a 10 yr old pc.
Feels like ages ago I was watching your coverage of the 4770k. Wow time flies! I went from Q6700, to FX6300, to R5 1600, 2700x, to my now 5800HX laptop. Not gonna lie, I was impressed at how much faster my lapop CPU is compared to my OC'd desktop 2700x, which, at the time was great. Now waiting for next gen Ryzen so I can build a new PC finally. Had to go laptop because I moved to Japan, and no way in hell was I lugging my 50lb behemoth across the planet haha.
@@qqnqqpart Thanks, I really appreciate it :) and I'm just using my Galaxy S21+ actually. I tried to get the iPhone 13 Pro Max because of compatibility with my DJI gimble, but you'd be surprised how crazy people are for iPhones here 🤣 couldn't find one anywhere. Otherwise I'm super pleased with the 4k footage on the S21
Gives me a little more hope for my ryzen 5 2600 when Linus gives a recommendation on it, i have paired it with a rtx 3070 so its choking hard on some games, but still runs great on games and windows.
I was one of the lucky few to get the 1600 af at $85 back in December 2019. Paired it with a Vega 64 and a 144hz 1440p monitor and its honestly a LOT of CPU for the money. Good to know it can handle a 3070!
My Ryzen 5 2600 with RX 580 has never failed me, and I have not run into a game I cannot play. My favorite games are on average 5 years or older though.
@@FavoriteCentaurMoe a 2600 starts to bottleneck around the 2080/3060 so it’ll bottleneck a 3070 at 1080p but it won’t really matter if you like to play with everything maxed and at a higher resolution
The 4770K was notorious for thermal throttling when pushed on the overclock. The 4790K (Devils Canyon) has better thermal management and doesn't really cost all that much more.
both are hard to cool. but nothing that a delid with liquid metal couldn't fix. my 4790K test CPU is delidded and runs 4.6 GHz 1.3V on aircooling with temps well under 80C.
@@StaelTek I've never ended up OC-ing my 4790k - It run's around 70 °C with a cm hyper 212 at stock. I don't think that .2 or .3 GHz OC would help a lot. :D
Your X58/1st gen numbers are way off. You did a 16%-25% overclock and many of your tests show far below this in gains (5% for one game). That should have raised some red flags. Besides that, the performance is so far behind even the Sandy Bridge that it should have raised red flags regardless. The 2500K's single thread performance is only 13% higher stock to stock (at boost clocks) but yet your test shows the X58 system down nearly 51% (SotTR) and 32% (FH4). Meanwhile, TechYesCity's results match the actual performance I expected.
These number are even worse than stock numbers. I had an X5650 and it ran at stock 2.66ghz for the most part and it was still plenty capable. They must not be running in triple channel or the ram installation was so bad it might even be running single channel. A mistake I remember a lot of people made with triple channel motherboards
That's a bad deal even for Xeons, since you can get 2011 or 2011v3 platforms with better CPUs for that price and the motherboards are much easier to get and they are far more stable, and it's a lot more modern than the 1366 one.
I was also very confused, wtf it's on almost dead 1366, not 2011 or 1151... Probably he must start with some ancient shit for 10$ on 775 instead then 😏
This^ I believe this is the current cheap sweet spot. I have a HP Z420 that I just put a E5-2697 v2 in (Socket 2011) . The chassis was about to hit the dumpster, CPU was $70, and you can get 16GB 14900R memory sticks for less than $25 each. And the board has 8 slots for them. My example was sub $300 and is now a 12 physical core 30mb L3 cache monster with 128gb of ram and a repurposed old 1080TI. I could net a few bucks back if I sold the old CPU and ram too.
Sold my old case with MOBO+4790k to a friend for almost nothing, and with a small GPU upgrade he's rocking his 144hz display with pretty much all his games. The 4790k was crazy good for it's time.
Literally this, been running a i7-4790k & GTX970 at 1440p for *ages* and just recently upgraded the GPU to a 3070. After upgrading the GPU my computer feels new again in games, with low bottlenecks. Amazing purchase
9:55 At least where I'm at, the 3100, the 3300X or even the 3500X are cheaper than the 1500X or the 2600, at least new. In particular the 3100 can be had for ~$99, which I'd say makes it a far superior buy to the older CPUs. An Asrock A520 would set me back ~$52, which means my total's about $13 more than the 1500X/A320 combo, but I'd have a 500-series motherboard and a Zen 2 CPU.
Where I am(Italy) those CPUs haven't been available for 1 year At least, not at a reasonable price Also a520/a320 is a big no, not just because you can't overclock the CPU, but because they are far worse in terms of quality Buy a good b450, even used, and you're good to go
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I upgraded from a 4790k to a 9900k, the difference is honestly in the minimum frame rates, you get like 10 to 20% higher FPS in general, but the minimum FPS is crazy, no more stuttering, and your general experience around the desktop is way faster, I also upgraded to 64 gigs of RAM from 16 and that's a huge difference too if you play VR
We also have reached the point where an i3 has slightly better performance. But a CPU being relevant for even up to 10 years is impressive nonetheless.
I remember my 6700k was doing great. I upgraded to a 5900X because I was starting to see some slowdowns here and there. I was shocked when I saw how much people were selling 6700k processors for online when I upgraded. Damn near what I had paid for the thing new.
Upgraded to a 5900X from a 2700K, I have an RTX2060 that worked fine but wasn't taking advantage of the pci 3.0, so it was time to upgrade. Still use the 2700K in my living room, is still a good processor.
Lol seriously. The only reason I upgraded my 6700k to a 3600, is because it was a free upgrade. Used 6700k + mobo = new 3600 + mobo. Love it! Got a 3700X a few years ago though. It was only €150 and a gold tier, while my 3600 was a shit tier.
In this case, it does appear that something was wrong with the X58 numbers. Would be a good idea for LTT to look into this and reclarify, and we all should hold LTT to the same standards as how LTT holds the "traditional" media and large corps to standard.
Exactly, tech yes city the man on all things like this did a video calling bullcrap on this video. If your kit is broke then state that is why your fps results are so low. Linus is a tool and should check facts before releasing misleading videos. Oh wait no he won't because he thinks he is the man in the tech space, in his dreams 🤦. An ex tech shop employee doesn't make you well versed in anything just a "i got here first and made it big" on youtube.
@@mesicek7 nothing to do with the nonsense you mentioned. This is plainly wrong info for viewers (some may even claim it is disinformation); LTT does take pride in their work about giving accurate info. Imagine others claiming that LTT is spreading this wrong info/data because they are secretly trying to help Intel and AMD make more money by influencing consumers to upgrade to newest gen systems.
@@crazyqqq3 Yeah but this is LTT they're just mainstream joke youtubers. They show off when they get some rare shit but when it comes to detailed reviews they're among the worst. And yeah you have to be a rabid fanboy if you want them to change something like it happened 3 years ago when they titled one of the videos IS AMD FOR POOR PEOPLE. You can imagine the backlash they got, because the title was quickly changed to WHY IS AMD THE BUDGET OPTION FOR GAMERS.
@Mahone they change titles 3 or 4 times after release pf a video every time to get more views. It's literally recommended by a few youtube reps. Aggressive titles like saying amd is for poor people is for getting clicks. Stop being such an angry little crybaby lmao
I regret selling my 4770K so much. I bought it when it just came out and kept it until I bought my 5900X. It survived everything I threw at it, had it OCd for like 5 years straight. It would have been great now for a second machine for funsies
I'm still using mine... been Oc'd to 4.4 for 8 years now. I really hope it (and my 1080ti) don't crap out in the next year or 2... waiting to see what AM5 can do and see if ddr5 (and other) prices normalize somewhat. wish me luck. :)
the new 12th gen i3 are decent as well, i really think you guys should have added that to the list here + the motherboard gives you plenty of upgrade options and this CPU + motherboard can support all of the new features like Pcle 5
@@Kaboomnz intel at this period has a 1 gen of advantage for support over amd. Am4 is a dead platform. If mobo breaks after 2 years, you will be forced to migrate to a new platform
That is essentially what I did. B450 mobo, 2200G. Vega 8 works surprisingly well (great for catching up on my Steam library), and the used 5000 chips and DDR4 that's sure to fall from the sky soon leaves a totally economical upgrade path. If the GPU market ever cools off, the total package will be had cheaply.
@@caden6389 I almost got the 3000G, but at the last minute I found a used 2200G for the same price. Gonna be nice when 5600G's start hitting the used market!
I did the same except I got the 3200g. I got the b450 tomahawk 2 for it, I was wondering if what he said about the sticker is going to cause me any issues? My mobo box says 3000 series ready but there's a 5000 ready sticker planted right above it.
Until recently (September of 2021) I was running a Core i7-3770K overclocked to (iirc) 4.2 GHz. For a nearly 10-year-old CPU, I had very good results with it. Combined with the GTX 1660 Ti GPU I had, I would get some *very* respectable results. Like 45-60 FPS in Cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p on max settings (no ray-tracing, obviously).
@@waynemarsh7775you're running at a higher resolution, so the GPU becomes more of a bottle neck. Dont know how most people still havent figured out that a GPU upgrade is Always better bang for your buck. You dont need to upgrade your CPU every other or even every 3rd gen, you can stall it and get a better GPU instead.
Just year ago is when I retired my 3770k over clocked to 4.7ghz all cores at first paired with a gtx 680 and eventually paired up with a gtx 1080 at its end of use. Damn good set up that ran from launch of ivy Bridge to when I upgraded finally to 5950x paired with an RTX 3090. Let's see how long I can run this new set up for. One year down, 8 more to go for the 5950x to beat the usefulness lifespan of my old 3770k.
@@scroopynooperz9051 yup, I upgraded monitors along the way from a gtx 680 to a gtx 1080 on my 3770k and the gtx 1080 was still the bottle neck on a lot of games. Up to the end of 2019.
I call bullshit, I was getting 40-50 FPS on Cyberpunk at 2k with my GTX 1080 + Ryzen 7 1700 OC to 3.8 Ghz with 3200 Mhz RAM, with a mix of medium to high settings. You're not getting that on max settings with a 1660 Ti, no way :).
We've got a 4770K system used daily for gaming and streaming @ 1080p 144Hz. It's paired with a GTX 1080 Ti and 16GB of DDR3 RAM. It doesn't do the streaming workload itself, but the gaming output is solid enough to be streamed. It's a solid workhorse that shows no signs of needing to be replaced. It's been great to avoid committing it to landfill as e-waste as it just keeps going. I reckon it'll still be going by the time Windows 10 is retired.
I would still go for the x58 just for the satisfaction from the overclocking capabilities, i got many of theese x5675, x5670 and x5660 cpus to 4,5Ghz stable with air i miss this gains from overclocking on new cpus u are lucky if u get 10% more performance if u overclock everything on it
Overclocking nowadays it's pointless because the chips come maxed out from the factory. If you're buying intel is just easier to buy a locked cpu and a B motherboard, and you're buying AMD just activate PBO and let the CPU play with itself.
I run an X58 setup for a long time in high school as a primary pc, started with an i7 950, then got a deal with an X5670. I had to get a ryzen 5 3600, because the xeon lacked some sse instructions for python autocomplete. It still runs as my primary server. The main issues I had with windows 10 were BSOD on a certain update if you had vt-d enabled in bios, nvme drivers crashed constantly too. On Linux it works perfectly with virtualization and Nvme optane as swap.
I ran my X58 board for nearly 10 years, the bang for buck I got off that platform was insane. Last CPU I ran on it was the x5675 at a conservative 4.2ghz but started having instabilities a couple of years ago so finally upgraded to Ryzen 3800X.
Kinda wild how decent Intel 2nd gen was even by modern standards. I had a Thinkpad running a 2520m that worked fine until some windows updates bricked it last year. I couldn't play modern games on it or anything, but that was more the lack of discrete GPU than the CPU.
i have a i7 920 OC @ 3.6 Ghz with stock cooler (they used to be beefier 1st gen, default 2.6 Ghz) and man that thing runs like a beast. My mobo for i7 4790K broke so i used it for almost a year just now. strangely the 4790K (OC @ 4.2, stock cooler) is that much of a win over a 920 but it still is
Yeah, Sandy Bridge was a major upgrade in terms of overall platform and even performance over Westmere. A stock Xeon X5650 performs on par with a stock i7-3770, and the i7-2600 is so close to those two that with overclocking could likely surpass them, which is a feat considering the two fewer cores.
I was expecting fluff about how used enterprise hardware isn't for everyone. I was NOT expecting to hear that maybe I should just hang onto my complete 4790k rig and sell off my 3200G bare CPU.
Ikr, I have a 4790k rig with a gtx 970 collecting dust because I thought wasn't that valuable. Guess I need to try to sell it now. (I upgraded to a Ryzen 5800X and a 3070 about 5 months ago now)
@@gavinsauer1608 i have the i5 4670k and the gtx 970 and i gave that pc to my daughter, it was ok but was struggling with modern games. also the audio jacks and some of the usb ports have died on the z87 asrock pro board..
@@Mattboulton88 I think the issue there is probably more the cpu rather than the graphics card though, (or perhaps ram limitations if it has less than 16gb) since that card is a little better than a gtx 1060 3gb
I got my i7 3770k for free from a local PC recycling company. I got basically my entire pc from them; 32gb ram, 2tb HDD, Mobo, 750w PSU and a GTX 970 (although I recently bought a better GPU). It’s great having friends there, as they are starting to get better and better hardware, even got some decent Samsung SSDs
I've still got 1366 platform running right now. Way back when it was my gaming PC, swapped in a 6 Core Xeon in years ago now and thanks to the 6 gen 2 and 6 gen 3 sata connections on the board it's my server storing my steam library and my plex server among tons of other things.
Heyyy hardware bro, me too. Up until 2019 I was running a Xeon X5675 6c/12t @ 4.8GHz 1.46v on custom water with 24GB tri-channel DDR3 @ 1877MHz CL8. It was about as fast as a Ryzen 5 2600 in games, and could equal a Ryzen 5 1600X in productivity apps. At Zen2 launch, I also retired my Xeon to NAS duty, and you'd have to pry my X58 from my cold dead fingers. X58 dethroned socket 939 as my all time favorite platform, it's hilariously fun to mess with. The performance you can get even 11 years later is still very good, and overall X58 is just legendary status.
@@K31TH3R Oh, it's by far my favorite platform I ever had. I remember running it for years and not even having any real option to upgrade to anything newer. It still performed top tier for generations. It's really only in the last couple years that the Gen 3 parts of it are starting to become any kind of hinderance in reality.
This one hits close to home. My 10 years old mobo died last week. 12th Gen Intel and DDR5 seemed like the leap I was waiting for, but with only scalper priced stocks were available, I decided to get my orphaned i7-3770 a new motherboard. Now the dilemma: a used feature-rich mobo or a new bare-bone mobo for about the same price. I chose the new GA-H61M-DS2 which still offered warranty, surprisingly.
DDR5 isn't worth the price premium even at MSRP, you'd be just fine with DDR4 on 12th Gen. Most of the DDR5 kits of today won't be very good in the long run anyway and probably not really something you'd want to carry forward to a new platform. Looks like you'll be good for a little while longer though so you'll have more to consider when Zen 4 launches (hopefully it's good)
4:40 The same happened to me when I tried to overclock my i7 2700k back in 2019. Don't remember which model was the motherboard, but it was from gigabyte (GA 77P, or something like that). My case was that three capacitors just straight gave up, "easy fix" but independent shops were charging over twice the price of the motherboard for repair here in Brazil and I'm not that great at DIY to buy a soldering iron (is that the name in English?) to fix it myself
I've been rocking a i7-3930K for over a decade at this point, I got it on a deep discount brand new thanks to the Intel Retail Edge program back when I worked retail and it still holds up pretty well considering its age. The walls have slowly started to close in the past couple of years tho and I'm probably going to have to upgrade more sooner than later, but I certainly got my moneys worth.
How on earth can you draw that conclusion based on that? If anything, that proves the exact opposite. If you've been able to live with a 3930k for so long, then obviously you've never needed that amount of performance to begin with. Meaning, you'd been better off with a 2500k or a 2600k and used the rest on a gpu upgrade, ect.
@@Orcawhale1 And how can you draw _that_ conclusion based on nothing except what processor he has? You don't know what his other components are or the workload it's being used for.
@@jojivlogs_4255 Because of this line " got it on a deep discount brand new thanks to the Intel Retail Edge program". Meaning he wouldn't have gotten a HEDT chip, if it weren't for the discount. IE, he didn't need the power...
I'm currently running a i7 4770 paired with a 3060ti and it's been fantastic. It's gaming is pretty dang good for such an old cpu (I bought it 6+ years ago) and there really are no complaints besides it being kind of ancient and "not new". This setup does fine for apex legends, and if I wanted to pass this cpu+board down to my father for his web surfing, it's more than capable of proccessing whatever he wants.
LTT is entertainment and good at it, BUT take a grain of salt on their testing. If you want hardcore analysis, go to GN, HUB, DF, to name a few... and yes, Tech City coz his Xeon video is way better than LTT's inaccurate representation of the X58 platform.
Those numbers for the Xeon seem way too low. I have a Xeon 5670 OC'ed to 4ghz and my numbers are way higher than the scores I am seeing and I'm running just a 1080ti. Just saying.
having more Ghz only matters if your capping out your execution instructions. The moment your not using every instruction and are waiting on other parts of the system to respond (Ram, HD, GPU, ect) you wont see any improvements from overclocking. You need to be aware of you bus bandwidth limitations if your trying to push older systems up to modern performance.
Exactly. Out of all the noob comments here, yours is the correct comment. I am right now operating many old pentiums/i5/Xeons all because for me bandwidth is more important than clock speed while running my database servers. They all run at stock speeds.
I have been a builder/tech for 25yrs. Never ever owned a new rig. Always pilfered my jank off gumtree and via mates etc. Trying to get rando hardware to work well together reliably is my life!
I had a 3770k, it was pretty much just as good as the 4770k; replaced it a few years ago for a 9900k. It still did its job right up until the end; I only replaced it because I wanted better VR performance. But she was a good girl, used her for 6 years.
Great video! Please keep doing pieces like these... Personally I just upgraded from 4770k to 12700k. Although for the vast majority of games the 4770k is fine. The more demanding games need more then 4c/8t especially at the 0.1% fps which is extremely annoying and finally I decided to upgrade
Same. It’s all fun and games until your frame times go all over the place. Honestly, I think that’s why so many people don’t realise they need to upgrade from this.
Same reason I went from a 3570K to a 11400. Set PL1 to 35W for silent low power browsing and netflix and PL2 to 154W with Tau set at 4095 seconds. In FH4 this moved my average FPS from 30 to 84, with the same GTX970 that's been OC'd to hell and back.
i'm looking for upgrading my 6600k because It also really lacking in the multithreading performance. Notice it with VR and workloads like unreal engine where some projects just take forever to load.
I had a dream last night. I was watching a LTT video about a revolutionary new CPU/Memory technology where they could easily swap in and out different compute capabilities like at the time of an order. Memory had switched from the normal 4 DIMM sockets to a layout of 2 side by side m.2 memory devices. Part of the configurable system was a complex board that plugged into both m.2 slots and included part of the processing power as well. You bought the CPU and memory as a single matched set based on the things you wanted to hardware accelerate (GPU, encoding, etc.) and how many cores you wanted, leaning towards single core performance or massive multi-threading capabilities. This was all accomplished by using a process to swap out tiny modular sub-chip components on the memory and CPU chips that were already in place on the boards. In my dream they were rectangular, partially transparent, and quite colorful (none of which make any sense now). The swapping process wasn't plugging them into sockets or soldering them to the board, you were actually integrating modular sub chips into the existing base chips in a relatively approachable process.
Running a Xeon e5 2678v3 on a Chinese motherboard made from used chipset that I bought on AliExpress for a year now. It's so nice to have 12 cores on 3.2 MHz. And the whole set with 34 gigabytes of DDR4 and NVMe SSD cost me around 300$.
TERRIBLE INACCURATE DATA this X58 HAS to be faulty those fps numbers are WAAAY far off from what these xeons are capable of. Watch any video with some who ACTUALLY KNOWS how capable X58 still is (TechYES City, RandomGaminHD). An overclocked X5670 (4ghz) is on par with 4770K and can be had for under $10! Please revisit X58 in another video with a board that actually works and running in triple channel.
I'm running a i7 8700k and it's still a very powerful cpu. it does everything it should without any problems. Video Editing, Recording and even streaming works absolutely smooth. even with 1440p
@@roymarr6181 Not quite "no different" - a non-K 11700 is about as fast at half the power dissipation, plus PCIe 4.0 support, 4 more CPU lanes in general and twice the DMI bandwidth towards the chipset. Not a ton of progress for 3 gens but it is there. On my very own 11700, I can match the 8700K's approx. 1350 points in Cinebench R15 with 12 render threads at 65-66 W indicated package power (3.2 GHz allcore turbo, ~95 W wall power draw). With 16 threads, the closest match is 2.7 GHz allcore (48ish W) at 1339. Mind you, uncore power at idle is only 3.8ish W as the system is tricked out with ASPM for PCIe and DMI, SATA HIPM + DIPM, lowly onboard graphics, and memory runs at 2933 with 1.2 V and 1:2 memory controller gearing. I can get 2130 at stock speeds, but it will guzzle 146ish W then, which would not be sustained long-term.
I don't doubt that it is more common for motherboards to fail than CPUs, but I actually had the opposite experience with my X99 build. And I also learned something interesting that might be part of why X99 motherboards in particular are so expensive -X99 is compatible with certain Xeons from that generation as well as Core processors. So similar to multiple generations of Ryzen CPUs being supported on each generation of chipset, in some cases multiple generations of Xeons (e.g. there are v1,v2,v3 of certain Xeons) and Core (5XXX and 6XXX Extreme edition) processors were compatible with the X99 chipset. When my X99 build died, I had to take a stab in the dark and buy something to try and figure out if it was the CPU or motherboard. I found a barebones motherboard for $150, or a Xeon E5-1620v3 which was compatible with X99 (not all Xeons are compatible!) for $12. I went with the Xeon due to cost, and to my surprise, it worked! I lost two threads and significant performance...but for $12? Not too bad.
Weird how the $110 Intel 12100f was left out here. You can get a CPU way faster than the Ryzen 2600 for less money, brand new. Only problem being finding a sub $100 motherboard.
Prebuilt lenovo ideacentre is cheap only thing is to get RAM sticks and a ssd and will then sail to flood of fps gaming at under the price of a CORE i5 12600K
They also left out the 10105F which can be paired with any cheap B560 board for a total of under $200 but beats the 2600, and is more on par with the 3300X
getting the 2600X was probably my best decision for my computer, upgrading from an FX-6300 to the 2600X was HUGE. i recommended the same set up for my friend, built it for him and now he doesn't have an FX-6300 (we had the same prebuilt without knowing). but hes still stuck on a 2GB RX 560.
I have a old w3670 overclocked to 4.2 @1.275 with good temps (if i remember 50-60 under full load) in a secondary rig. it still does lighter games quite well. Just a note it needed a bclk overclock as it has a locked multiplier which is harder as it affects the clocks on the ram and pci etc. The w3680 is unlocked i think but im not 100 percent sure. Still for a 10+ year old system (minus the 1060 6gb) it has done well.
@@alexskywalker888 someone on a budget isn't likely to go from a 15 to a 37x. If you're going for anything above a 36, you aren't exactly the kind of 'on a budget' that's likely to reuse old mobos.
From testing my Xeons the 1650 v3 with haswell cores are awesome. nice to know I can move from the 1050 Ti and not worry. Coincidentally my first 1680 v2 Gigabyte board failed on me so it's a fact that the failure rate goes up. I bought a X79 from New old stock and over paid but am happy with the results overall.
Why buy a server CPU to begin with unless your running one? Why not opt to get a consumer cpu? Cost too much?? Never understoos the obsession for getting server gear running
@@JohnDoeC78 I also own Ryzens, 3 of them, personally 8 cores at 4.5 GHz and 4 Channels of memory, a massive 25MB cache and 40 PCI-E 3.0 Lanes is why. At the time of purchase a 10400 was $100 more and the motherboard the same price as an LGA1200. DDR3 is cheap too. As for my Server it is running a 2560 V3. It's not an obsession it's knowledge.
6:57 I agree, I used a 8 year old computer for years with this CPU, I gave it to my friend when I got a new one and he has no complainants either, this cpu is amazing!
Linus is talking about how the 2500k + mobo is an outdated combo ready to fail at any time. And that's exactly what I'm currently rocking
It's really not, unless the board and cpu have been overclocked since day 1.
Lol I was rocking it till a year ago I feel ya
I think it's safe to say you got your money's worth out of it, eh? :D
@@Kajukota I'm currently rocking a i5 2500K + P67A-UD4 B3 since its launch, I have it OC at 4.2Ghz atm. It has been overcloacked since launch (was 4.5Ghz, then 4.4Ghz and now at 4.2Ghz to lower the V a bit), no idea If its the degradation of the CPU or motherboard that makes me have to downcloak it every ~3-4 years (same safe V).
It probably is, but his point is mostly that it’s not worth investing into it now. If you have had this combo for a while, you already got your money’s worth
2:40 "Ran into this cool little bug where sleep doesn't work" I know how that feels
I do, too, on a really old computer. Which is why I got into the habit of never using sleep mode on desktops. And now I run Folding@Home anyways.
I know how that feels too… OH WAIT WE TALKIN BOUT THE PC??!!
I think I have that bug. To fix it apparently all I need to do is uninstall caffeine...yah, I'm not uninstalling caffeine.
Man, fuck that - I've been operating in power saving mode for some 16 years, how do you switch to high performance?
@@ZipplyZane yeah, Because of this on my old computer I have got a very bad habit of shutting down my pc even if go around for less than 2 minutes
My 1055t has been overclocked for 11 years and is still kicking. Paired with an RX570 these days vs the old 6850. Not my primary system but still capable with reasonable expectations.
I had a 1055t up until last year, and it did pretty well with a GTX 1070. Could play most games at 1440p with reasonable performance. I did get a decent gaming boost when I upgraded to a 5600x, but I also came forward about a decade.
I'm still using an fx 4350
im still rocking my 1090t since it came out
I had a 4 core AMD 965 that I unlocked 2 extra cores on to make it 6 cores, overclocked to about 3.8GHz. I sold it, but I still know someone that is gaming on it. Those Phenom 2s ripped!
you mean 1050 ti, not 1055t lol
Love it when Linus calls out my 1600 AF. Those Ryzen chips never get enough recognition for the bang for the buck when they were around 100 bucks. Those things were AMAZING deals.
Still have and use mine. But boy howdy, do I need a new GPU. If only the entire market wasn't a ripoff shit show.
1600AF or should I say 2600...
@@robb5828 yep. Except not exactly in name.
Still rocking 1600 af. Bought it new for $90 back in the day.
They were actually $85 brand new when they released. Just faded out quickly.
Upgraded from my i7-4770k literally 2 weeks ago. Rocked that thing for the last 8 years at 4.2GHz and never had any issue gaming with it.
What did you upgrade to? Alder Lake?
@@Koimonoseph Ryzen 5 5600x
similar oc to my I7 3770 non k, 4.1 ghz :)
Sold it already? I'm precisely looking for one. That's the sole upgrade path for my mobo. :)
Same old cpu and same upgrade for me.
My first build was a 14 dollar Intel Xeon x3440 and on this super sketch looking LGA 1156 motherboard and honestly, it ran so good for what i paid.
Unfortunately, that was many years ago
Still using x3450 with used Asus mobo and liquid metal in secondary PC. As backup - quite OK
i got a rtx 3090 it cost me 2 kidneys
I am still running an I7 3770 and 1150 motherboard. Still does the job and can wait until prices drop.
@@sporkinum
3rd gen is 1155 wat are you saying?
Tech yes love?
i7-4770K owner here. 🖐️ I remember when I upgraded to it (from a much-loved and hard-driven Phenom II) being bummed out that I'd lost the binning lottery and couldn't manage more than a trivial stable overclock. Kind of a relief to hear it probably wouldn't have even been worth it if I had.
Not for my gaming machine, but i upgraded my Plex server to have a 4770 from an old i3 and it works very well. Combined with a $40 GTX780, it makes for a great machine. I don't game on it because i don't need to, but it is more than capable of gaming.
Haswell has aged well, it's still keeping up with some low-end i3 chips. My haswell rig recently died, but I'm grateful that the haswell was the peak of Intel, that machine aged well for me.
Gotta agree here I'm still rocking my i7 4790 I built 5 years ago, in that time all I've changed was upgrading from dual R9 290X's to a single GTX 1070 and while I keep contemplating upgrading, I sometimes cant even justify it, I still get solid performance on everything I want to play.
The main driver to upgrade atm is I want a VR setup, but I've even wondered if just a GPU upgrade would be sufficient.
@@MrJaiimez won't even be necessary unless you want to play high-end vr games. Most will run fine on your rig, I play VR games using the original Oculus Rift on a Ryzen 2600 with GTX970 (living room pc) just fine.
Not No Mans Sky though. Not even on low details :D
+1 to the Haswell love! I'm on an i7-5960X (Haswell-E) and it keeps up well with my current 3090 FE at 1440p-5K gaming. I feel like this CPU was almost ahead of its time with the 8 cores.
@@MrJaiimez same dude, I had the 4790 and R9 290, what a monster duo for the time, and talk about amazing bang-for-your-buck too. that machine aged so well, i'd still use it if the mobo didn't burn out
My 4790k is still going after 8 years on a asrock z97 extreme 6 mb, had to replace gpu at start of 2021 to rx6800 got at rrp👍
This is exctly the reason why I got my Ryzen 1600 back in autumn 2017 with a 200$ GTX 1060 for my hi-res monitor. Little did I know that would be the last time GPU prices were also going to be sane. Locally, I can't get a new RTX 3060 for less than 1000$ for an upgrade
Not not a huge upgrade. 1060 is purprisingly close to my 1080.
I have a 1060 6gb I got at the beginning of the rush. Frye's employee price matched me on a 3gb model and I got it for $179.
No regrets or shame considering all that happened afterwards. Still rocking just fine, even with newer titles (albeit medium settings).
I was also lucky as you, same combo on that same year, still using it to this day
Still rocking my ryzen 5 1600, was lucky to get a 1660ti at msrp before everything went downhill. Happy it can game really well at 1440p
Edit: actually it was less than msrp, I got it around $260
I should've just bought one of these used 2080 tis that were going for 400 when this started as I had the money to spare but didn't...
Fuck, I'm still stuck with my Rx 580 8GB which still holds it's own really well, but one starts to notice it's age more and more
3:50 wow. I wished they'd highlight the tested unit more often. That's so much more useful than "Here's a chart of random letters and numbers. Have fun."
There's a pause button.. use it!
@@MeltedForest
sounds good, doesn't work
- SangoProductions213
@@MeltedForest ...relevant commentary
@@MeltedForest how about you make something better with minor effort instead of asking people to pause and waste time every single time a graph pops up. the person wasn't saying it's impossible to find it and was just giving constructive feedback.
@@electrikshock2950 how about you read something better with minor effort instead of asking people to stop talking and waste time every single time a graph pops up. the person wasn't saying it's impossible to find it and was just giving constructive feedback.
"Back when the 1600AF was a thing." Yes it was and it was glorious. I bought 3 of them and they are all still going strong.
And will into the future.
Best value CPU of all time, paired with a rx570/580 got you a cheap but banging gaming PC
@@raiza0666 Yes, I do. You peeked.
Bought one in its best, no regrets whatsoever. What a fucking beast it is
For those of you unfamiliar with the 1600AF, it's really a slightly downclocked 2600. AMD had run out of first generation dice and had a surplus of second generation, so rather than inventing some new SKU like a 2500 they branded them as a new variant of the 1600 to get them out the door. You still get all the Zen+ architecture improvements, just with the clock speeds of the 1600 unless you overclock.
Was rocking a 4790k up till near the end of last year. Worked damn fine for the 7 years I used it for. Still going strong in my kids machine with a 1070sc.
Oh yeah that's what I'm running. The 4790k overclocked is a legend this thing still rocks
I still using similar combo i7 4790 + gtx 1070 + z97 pro asus for 1080 games most in ultra no problems even using premiere with files of a7lll in 4k you don't have problems to edit in real time .it cost me I total 550€ 6 years ago in second hand here in spain.
hah yeah same. my old 4790 is in one kids pc with a 1080 and a friends 4770k id in another lucky kids pc with a 6600xt. halo is damn smooth.
Same, and I changed because of the motherboard. I still keeped this beast tu run a 2nd PC if I need it one day as I know this thing will still rock for a long time.
Ye I was running a i7 2600 non K for 10 yrs and now im upgrading to an i7 11700k. Reason why im not going 12th gen is I hate windows 11 and it has almost same gaming pearformance and is a lot cheaper. less than 200 for z490 250 for i7 11700k and not to mention DDR5 ram prices barfff.
Linus made an amazing point talking about how it's weird how x99 boards are worth so much still. A few months back sold my i7 5820k 16gb ram and msi gaming 7 x99 motherboard for over $350!! Considering how long I had that stuff and used it I couldn't belive the value was still high enough to fully purchase my new cpu
$350? I'd say you still ripped yourself off, honestly. Some x99 boards still go for almost $500-600 dollars alone.
im so lucky my PC was built 2012 and not a single component yet has failed ,and my mobo is a £60 gigabyte with SLI !
Bought my GTX 1070 new from NCIX before they went out of business. If I sell it today I could get back 100% of my money.
@@STONEDay i paid 175$ for my 1070 sc 2 years ago used and could easily sell it for over 400, its ridicules
What's the difference between a 97 and a 99 board? Better build?
i've used xeons for a lot of pc flips cause of their excellent price to performance ratio. i normally can get a e5-2670,80 16gb ddr3 and a cheap x79 board for under 125$ which is pretty consistent deal
Using a xeon e5-1650 v2. 4.3ghz all core 6 core, 12 thread for $50. In a Dell precision t3610 with a Rx 570 makes for a killer budget rig. Plus ECC memory is cheap.
and lemme guess you rip peo- , I mean sell the rigs to people for like $500?
x79 it's still good for the price but x99 xeons are the same and newer, you can get an E5 2666v3 combo for 170 dollars
problem is that only cheap x79 motherboards in large volumes are the Chinese ones with scavenged chipsets.
some of those can be good but beware of undercooled VRM's.
same can be said for x99 motherboards too.
though it's possible to be lucky.
right after Christmas i picked up an Asus P9X79-E WS for less than 50$, it had some 1066MHz Kingston ECC sticks and an xeon E5-1607, all stuck inside an 3U rack case with broken PSU... (broken as someone had managed to snap out the power connector by tripping on the cable)
they had no idea what was inside else from the CPU and just wanted to get the old server out since they where replacing it
also picked up an old relic in form of an MSI K8T Master2-FAR7 at same place... for 10$.
@@brrebrresen1367 ikr the only way to look for good motherboard is getting some serious researching, like the only good provider i know are only huananzhi, jingsha and machinist outside that there's the risk of damaged boards even though those providers have the same probability of giving damaged boards the possibilities are lower
I use a W3680 overclocked to 4.0GHZ and I'm getting waaaaaay higher numbers than what you're posting, I think your test rig might have some issues
Very true, Bryan from tech yes city ran (almost) the same tests, in some games 4 times the FPS. Test rig of Linus had a nasty performance bug. th-cam.com/video/5IAeTXf8TWI/w-d-xo.html
Honestly a bit surprised that he didn't mention the Xeon E5-1620v2 and AliExpress X79 mobo combo. Same lithography as Haswell but I managed to get CPU, mobo, and Ram for about $100 and X79 allows for M.2 gen 3 support
Huananzhi bd4 x99 (94$) + e5 2620v3 (13$) + ddr4 32gb (98$) = 205$ and that include shipping... ALL HAIL ALIEXPRESS 😄
Yeah i was also thinking he was gonna talk about the e3 1230v2 that is a really good cpu for its price
Pretty sure you can overclock the E5-16xx too.
Possibly because Aliexpress is such an incredibly shady place to buy *anything*, or because the performance was so similar to the haswell chips.
Linus: It's hard to justify investing in old hardware.
Me and cheap Aliexpress x99 boards: Welcome to South America.
Good ol' latinamerica
Makes me happy to know that even from this part of the globe people watch LTT
x99 isnt too old. Mine was developed in like 2015.
I’ve just been given (yes, for free) a Xeon E5-2670-V3 and 32Gb of Reg ECC DDR4, AliExpress X99 is a no brainer for me 😂
Yeah; looking at all those "It's cheap at 400 USD" videos sometimes makes you forget most of the world can't cough up that kind of money just like that...
I was running a 4770k until last summer when my motherboard failed. I ended up with the same bad value problem they’re talking about here. At the time, my options for replacement boards were crap, so I jumped on the chance to modernize my setup.
I'm very near that myself; however the 4770k is an upgrade path for me. Would you happen to still have it hanging somewhere?
Same thing here.
@@voltare2amstereo And cost half the price. I bought one and it was literally half the price of a 4770.
I’m running the i5 4460, would I be able to go to the 4770k?
same, my previous rig with the 4790k was running into problems after problems, and 1-2 sticks of ram started failing. So I jumped at the chance to get an almost completely new rig with the 5600x. One of the main reasons was also that system builders/shops in my country doesnt sell GPUs ala-carte so that you HAVE to build a brand new PC if you want to get a new GPU, which was my plan to get a 3080. But I ended up building the PC without the new GPU anyway cause I can't convince myself to pay 2x the original price for a 3080, even though I could afford it.
Now Im rocking this brand spanking new sick looking PC with a (still running really great to be fair) EVGA 1070 stuck in it hahaha. Man I wish this shitstorm would be over soon. I'm thinking about waiting for the 4080 at this point lol.
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@@lucasrem1870 Hahahahahahahaha
the 2600 is definitely still a banging chip especially for low to mid range setups, it has good over clocking potential and with a good motherboard, can be replaced with a Ryzen 5000 in a year or so.
People used to overlook this processor in favor of the 2600X, which is barely any faster and any advantage could be mitigated with a mild overclock. Plus, it was cheaper.
I absolutely love my 2600, can hit 4.1GHz no problem and paired with an RX 570 8GB, might have to turn some settings down here and there. But it handles pretty much every game I throw at it. Also just upgraded to a Ryzen 5000 compatible MOBO for the future.
I retired my 2600 to go to a 5600x when I got my 3070 a couple months ago. Upgraded my ram and the same time and kept the old components to build another pc for my brother. 100 bucks for a mobo and case later and the 2600/1080 combo he’s got is still an absolute beast at high refresh rate 1080. The ability to use the same mobo’s to upgrade to 3/5 series CPU’s and the performance on a budget should make it super enticing for people on budget, especially when you consider how cheap you can get some of these b450’s as well!
Even with a bad motherboard. Many A320-boards are absolute crap but they have full BIOS support for Zen 3-CPUs.
@@TylerL220 with you on that, I'm rocking basically the same (rx580 instead) but according to hwminitor my 2600, not overclocked has hit speeds of over 5.5ghz on single cores (though I don't think I believe it)
As someone that knows something about product reliability, I have to say that was an outstanding description of the bathtub curve.
those xeon tests need some tech yes lovin
Hell yeah, the 4770k was the first standalone CPU that i bought in 2014 for my first gaming pc and i loved it. Now i've repurposed it as a Linux/TrueNAS server running things like Plex and various containers and its great
4790K was better tho
@@LividAxis no sht sherlock, it came a year after intel noticing there's no competition for their 4770k and decided to make it a lil better for a brand new price back then.
I just upgraded from my i5-4690. It was doing the job fine but I was definitely blown away moving to 16 threads vs 4.
I’m planning on doing the same with my 4790k
@@LividAxis In it's own right, great CPU. In reality, terrible deal. It's the fastest LGA1150 CPU you can get and so of course it's way overpriced accordingly.
You can often get mobo + cpu bundle for cheaper than both separately, sometimes even with ram. 4790K goes for over 100 euros but I have seen 4790k+mobo+8-16gb ram for 150 euros often.
Well whatever that goes into for £. That sounds about right tbh
I sold that excact combo for only 120 euros.
I made someone happy with a good deal and i didnt need it anyway.
This way it was out of the house fast also
I wish you also mentioned the extra premium needed for a Z-series board capable of overclocking. You can find H-series board for dirt cheap if you're going for a 4770K that, as you said, doesn't really need an OC.
I have an H board I use for my Nas server and a Haswell Pentium, though I'm eying ebay to get an i5 in the same generation
Well he mentioned prebuilts with a 4770 non K for that. Much better idea
I got a H97 board 2 years ago for about $70 to replace my B85 board that died after 5 years. Was a great deal since it has almost everything I need for 33% less money than I paid for the B85 board when I built my PC, and also a lot more stable. The H7 series is usually overlooked but for old hardware they are often very close to Z series in terms of features while costing less.
I upgraded my i7-920 to a i7-980X ~1year ago :-) Overclocked to 4,3GHz, 24gig tripple channel Ram and my trusty gtx1060. I am so happy with this. Runs every day perfect for me.
I'm running a 2600, OC to 3.8, and I'm very happy with it. I can easily run most games with OBS recording at 1080p and mostly above 60 FPS. Doing video editing however does show its shortcomings, but it's tolerable unless you're doing something extensive
Im thinking of buying a i7 3rd gen, should i?
I still rock my i7-2600k @4.9GHz she does well in 2022 🤘
@Desktopia wdym? theres plenty of super expensive available gpus
@@Dragon-xd9em If you have a GPU i would go for a xeon. Especially if you have an LG1150 socket something like a E3 1230 V3 which you can pick up for less than an I5 4590 but it matches an 4770
Still running 1600AF legendary CPU
The sleep issue could be caused by the GPT. Installing Windows 10 on MBR could fix the issue. It fixed the sleep issue for my Lenovo M91p i5-2500 system.
Purposefully switching to MBR to fix this is not a good idea. You want GPT. Just disable sleep mode and C states and you fixed it.
i dont think linus knows how to computer anymore
@@parliamentarian6598 letting people know of a issue they had isn't him "not knowing how to fix it". He was letting people know the issue exists and you may run into it. You're just missing the point.
Interesting. I didn't know that was a thing. The oldest system I put Win10 on in UEFI mode is a Dell Latitude E6330 Ivy Bridge laptop, no issues there (as long as you keep the flaky PCIe cardreader disabled). Sandy Bridge era desktop boards still had their share of UEFI bugs in general, I suppose you really are best off sticking with CSM + MBR there.
@@PileOfEmptyTapes I've personally installed Win 10 GPT on Core2Quad builds and didn't have this issue.
4770k is a beast! Will bottleneck a RTX2070 by 1% if you don't OC and 0% bottleneck with a light OC and it was released 9 years ago
I'm still rocking a 4770k and a 1080 and it does 1440p gaming pretty well! I haven't played any cutting edge games recently tho
@Mija La esa 3 Silence wench
That CPU is old as hell. If it’s still a beast modern CPU’s are God.
Until recently where I went to new gen Intel I've run this CPU for so long across so many upgrades on my GPU (GTX1070 -> RTX 2070 -> RTX 3080). It did it service well and man probs one of the best CPU's ever made!
Im still rocking a 4790k and and a gtx 1070 at 1440p and I have no issue. I only play dota2 so I can run at 120hz no problem. looking to get a 3060ti to replace it but not counting on it.
This was surprisingly applicable to my situation. Currently rocking a i7-4770(non-K) and a GTX970. Maybe there is time for me to go looking for a new 3000 series graphics card...
Also using an old GTX970 but it's impossible to get 30 series GPUs around here for sensible prices. I'm waiting for 40 series at this point, and will try to be quick about it once the 4080 comes out.
Running a i5-4570, so applicable to me too! Running a 1060 6gb, good enough for me! Not worth upgrading for me, maybe if I can find a cheap i7-4xxx
Maybe check your PCI version support on your mobo? My GTX970 got a HUGE boost when I upgraded my system around it because my old mobo only had PCI 2.0 support and the card was built with PCI 3.0 capabilities. I didnt even realize and thought I would need a new card this year until my Frames doubled or more in just about every game I have an FPS counter for.
Same but with a 980
Almost the same here with a 4790k and a GTX 980
Xeon content! I'm here for this! Anyways, i think its commonly acceptable at this point that intel CPUs from 1st gen core-i generations like that Xeon are past their useful life. However I've used plenty of those with Windows 10 gaming PC flips in the past. Xeon w3670, w3680, w3690, x5675, x5650, and x5687. Never had sleep or other weird issues, whether i overclocked them or not. Finding deals on 1st gen Ryzen or going with 4th gen core-i or Xeon haswell CPUs is a much better play nowadays. The hot ticket right now, if for some reason 1st gen Ryzen is out of reach, would be unlocked Xeons on cheap chinese X79 and X99 motherboards. I've got an entire video going over these Xeons and which ones are good as a matter of fact, Linus! This was a great breakdown on why X58, X79, and X99 boards got so expensive though. Thats for sure.
For anyone on a < $700 budget, grabbing a used workstation PC on eBay and throwing a GPU in it will probably give you the most bang for your buck.
not anymore
Edit: nevermind
Microcenter was selling the R5 1600 for $79 in 2019 prior to 3rd gen launch. Built several rigs for friends and family with it. Even today, that's an amazing CPU deal.
so everyone here knows that linus didn't exactly hit this one out of the park right? Ran an evga sr-2 for years with none of these issues, even had a 2080 ti with it at one point. they clearly had a bad board or missed something painfully obvious. Anyone here wanting an accurate depiction of six core xeon performance should def look at Tech YES City's videos on it using proper working parts and methodology.
Also there is an Ukrainian called Miyconst that tests this kind of platforms, X58, X79, X99 etc. Nowhere did is ever see 30-40 fps in his testing newer games on those platforms.
Yea this one of the few times where linus really screwed up a video so badly that it upsets me how terrible they did. TechYES and RandomGaminHD do plenty of coverage on X58 these xeons and Gulftown i7 are plenty capable and my 980 X has similar performance to even my more recent 6th gen i7 6700.
I used the i7-4770 until last month. It worked great with all of the GPU's i used in the time, such as a 770 and 970. I now have a 2060 in my new pc, but i'm sure it would work fine with the i7-4770 too.
@@sexygirls9720 bleep bloop bloop beep
That is almost exactly my history except for I now have the 3060 TI with an 11-400 CPU but my old computer same thing 4770 with a 770 updated to a 970
I can confirm, 4770k with 2060 is no problem at all. Bought this card after my 980ti failed on me
Had the 4790k and can confirm the 2060 runs like a charm on it. Tad bottlenecked though which is why I upgraded to a 5800x
Im using i7 4790k with rtx 3080 TI...
Ryzen is definitely superior to Older Intel chips. The ability of keeping the same socket is bar none the best feature.
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@@datingzonel1424 ok and ?
Except even if its am4 doesn't make it compatible with older mobos, you cant put 2600 in b550 or 5600x in b350. It's the same as LGA1151.
@@anupam7721 it's a bot, you genius
@@anupam7721 it's a pron bot just report it lol
I ran a 3930k for years, being one of the first 6 core CPUs it held up beautifully. In the end I handed it off to a friend who is still happily using it now.
I'm still using a 3820. I was thinking about upgrading to the 4960X for $100 and maybe get a couple more years out of it. Never had any issues with it. Strangely I can have over 50 tabs open in chrome and firefox at the same time without any lag but a lot of my friends on discord with new pcs say they can't have 1/3 of that or else they get mouse lag. Also the same with super fast twitch chats lagging them but I'm not seeing. I just find that strange with having a 10 yr old pc.
@@clashwithkeen probably a ram bottleneck
I have a 2500k OC @ 4.8Ghz. On a asrock z68 mobo all since 2012. Still going strong!
Feels like ages ago I was watching your coverage of the 4770k. Wow time flies! I went from Q6700, to FX6300, to R5 1600, 2700x, to my now 5800HX laptop. Not gonna lie, I was impressed at how much faster my lapop CPU is compared to my OC'd desktop 2700x, which, at the time was great. Now waiting for next gen Ryzen so I can build a new PC finally. Had to go laptop because I moved to Japan, and no way in hell was I lugging my 50lb behemoth across the planet haha.
Checked a few of your videos out! Nice vlogs, cheers, good luck in getting that Sony camera in the future! What do you use currently?
@@qqnqqpart Thanks, I really appreciate it :) and I'm just using my Galaxy S21+ actually. I tried to get the iPhone 13 Pro Max because of compatibility with my DJI gimble, but you'd be surprised how crazy people are for iPhones here 🤣 couldn't find one anywhere. Otherwise I'm super pleased with the 4k footage on the S21
Gives me a little more hope for my ryzen 5 2600 when Linus gives a recommendation on it, i have paired it with a rtx 3070 so its choking hard on some games, but still runs great on games and windows.
I was one of the lucky few to get the 1600 af at $85 back in December 2019. Paired it with a Vega 64 and a 144hz 1440p monitor and its honestly a LOT of CPU for the money. Good to know it can handle a 3070!
Just upgraded to a 3600, but my 2600 is still kicking in my living room pc and is still perfect for my rogue lite gaming preference
is it a bottleneck?
My Ryzen 5 2600 with RX 580 has never failed me, and I have not run into a game I cannot play. My favorite games are on average 5 years or older though.
@@FavoriteCentaurMoe a 2600 starts to bottleneck around the 2080/3060 so it’ll bottleneck a 3070 at 1080p but it won’t really matter if you like to play with everything maxed and at a higher resolution
The 4770K was notorious for thermal throttling when pushed on the overclock. The 4790K (Devils Canyon) has better thermal management and doesn't really cost all that much more.
Also, the 4790K has 4.4 GHz turbo, without OC.
Totally, still using mine for gaming at 4.7Ghz, work very well
both are hard to cool. but nothing that a delid with liquid metal couldn't fix. my 4790K test CPU is delidded and runs 4.6 GHz 1.3V on aircooling with temps well under 80C.
@@StaelTek I've never ended up OC-ing my 4790k - It run's around 70 °C with a cm hyper 212 at stock. I don't think that .2 or .3 GHz OC would help a lot. :D
0:46 the return of the Liquid Crystal Display display
Your X58/1st gen numbers are way off. You did a 16%-25% overclock and many of your tests show far below this in gains (5% for one game). That should have raised some red flags. Besides that, the performance is so far behind even the Sandy Bridge that it should have raised red flags regardless. The 2500K's single thread performance is only 13% higher stock to stock (at boost clocks) but yet your test shows the X58 system down nearly 51% (SotTR) and 32% (FH4). Meanwhile, TechYesCity's results match the actual performance I expected.
These number are even worse than stock numbers. I had an X5650 and it ran at stock 2.66ghz for the most part and it was still plenty capable. They must not be running in triple channel or the ram installation was so bad it might even be running single channel. A mistake I remember a lot of people made with triple channel motherboards
That's a bad deal even for Xeons, since you can get 2011 or 2011v3 platforms with better CPUs for that price and the motherboards are much easier to get and they are far more stable, and it's a lot more modern than the 1366 one.
my Rampage III Gene has been very stable with a X5680. I haven't ran into an issue. Very smooth
I was also very confused, wtf it's on almost dead 1366, not 2011 or 1151... Probably he must start with some ancient shit for 10$ on 775 instead then 😏
Went from a W3690 to a 6800k on 2011-v3 about a month ago, haven't seen dramatic gaming differences but 2011v3 is definitely more stable on W10 lol
This^ I believe this is the current cheap sweet spot. I have a HP Z420 that I just put a E5-2697 v2 in (Socket 2011) . The chassis was about to hit the dumpster, CPU was $70, and you can get 16GB 14900R memory sticks for less than $25 each. And the board has 8 slots for them. My example was sub $300 and is now a 12 physical core 30mb L3 cache monster with 128gb of ram and a repurposed old 1080TI. I could net a few bucks back if I sold the old CPU and ram too.
Sold my old case with MOBO+4790k to a friend for almost nothing, and with a small GPU upgrade he's rocking his 144hz display with pretty much all his games. The 4790k was crazy good for it's time.
Still using it now for the last week or so mate, just upgraded to an 11600k and waiting on a PSU to arrive. 4790k is a beast when overclocked
Literally this, been running a i7-4790k & GTX970 at 1440p for *ages* and just recently upgraded the GPU to a 3070. After upgrading the GPU my computer feels new again in games, with low bottlenecks. Amazing purchase
Still got my old 4770K. It lasted me from 2013 to 2020 when I finally got a new computer. Great to see it's still got some life in it
9:55 At least where I'm at, the 3100, the 3300X or even the 3500X are cheaper than the 1500X or the 2600, at least new. In particular the 3100 can be had for ~$99, which I'd say makes it a far superior buy to the older CPUs. An Asrock A520 would set me back ~$52, which means my total's about $13 more than the 1500X/A320 combo, but I'd have a 500-series motherboard and a Zen 2 CPU.
Where do you live?
Nah go B450 honestly. It supports all generations and supports OC and has some other nice features.
Well, actually the 2600 is superior than 3500X...
Where I am(Italy) those CPUs haven't been available for 1 year
At least, not at a reasonable price
Also a520/a320 is a big no, not just because you can't overclock the CPU, but because they are far worse in terms of quality
Buy a good b450, even used, and you're good to go
You can actually buy a 3100 or 3300? I thought they were just a rumour
Still rocking a 4770k. Been in my system running 24/7 since 2013. Super stable architecture. My PC literally never crashes.
Bought a set of msi x79 and 4930k in 2018, now rocking it at 4.3ghz with ddr3 2400 rams, this video showed me i have a beast running and relieved me
I can relate so much to the Intro XD. Bought a 3070Ti last weekend for 1000$. 😢
@Mija La esa 3 you know what I have? A burning hatred for you god damned bots.
Thanks for being part of the problem.
lucky you dude. in here its 1200 and stock out
Yikes
Ouch
I love my 4790k, crazy to see how good it holds up.
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I'm still rocking mine in a Plex server, such a great CPU
I upgraded from a 4790k to a 9900k, the difference is honestly in the minimum frame rates, you get like 10 to 20% higher FPS in general, but the minimum FPS is crazy, no more stuttering, and your general experience around the desktop is way faster, I also upgraded to 64 gigs of RAM from 16 and that's a huge difference too if you play VR
Ikr! My dad's PC still rocks that.
We also have reached the point where an i3 has slightly better performance. But a CPU being relevant for even up to 10 years is impressive nonetheless.
I remember my 6700k was doing great. I upgraded to a 5900X because I was starting to see some slowdowns here and there.
I was shocked when I saw how much people were selling 6700k processors for online when I upgraded. Damn near what I had paid for the thing new.
I am still using my 6700k, so far I had no reason to upgrade.
@@ChiefBroady tbh, I mostly just got excited about the new features and stuff from the newer platforms.
Upgraded to a 5900X from a 2700K, I have an RTX2060 that worked fine but wasn't taking advantage of the pci 3.0, so it was time to upgrade. Still use the 2700K in my living room, is still a good processor.
Lol seriously. The only reason I upgraded my 6700k to a 3600, is because it was a free upgrade. Used 6700k + mobo = new 3600 + mobo. Love it! Got a 3700X a few years ago though. It was only €150 and a gold tier, while my 3600 was a shit tier.
In this case, it does appear that something was wrong with the X58 numbers. Would be a good idea for LTT to look into this and reclarify, and we all should hold LTT to the same standards as how LTT holds the "traditional" media and large corps to standard.
Exactly, tech yes city the man on all things like this did a video calling bullcrap on this video. If your kit is broke then state that is why your fps results are so low. Linus is a tool and should check facts before releasing misleading videos. Oh wait no he won't because he thinks he is the man in the tech space, in his dreams 🤦. An ex tech shop employee doesn't make you well versed in anything just a "i got here first and made it big" on youtube.
They'll never do a redo unless you're a rabid amd fanboy - they changed the title of a video because of red people pestering them one time
@@mesicek7 nothing to do with the nonsense you mentioned. This is plainly wrong info for viewers (some may even claim it is disinformation); LTT does take pride in their work about giving accurate info. Imagine others claiming that LTT is spreading this wrong info/data because they are secretly trying to help Intel and AMD make more money by influencing consumers to upgrade to newest gen systems.
@@crazyqqq3 Yeah but this is LTT they're just mainstream joke youtubers. They show off when they get some rare shit but when it comes to detailed reviews they're among the worst. And yeah you have to be a rabid fanboy if you want them to change something like it happened 3 years ago when they titled one of the videos IS AMD FOR POOR PEOPLE. You can imagine the backlash they got, because the title was quickly changed to WHY IS AMD THE BUDGET OPTION FOR GAMERS.
@Mahone they change titles 3 or 4 times after release pf a video every time to get more views. It's literally recommended by a few youtube reps. Aggressive titles like saying amd is for poor people is for getting clicks. Stop being such an angry little crybaby lmao
1:07 how the hell are the fans spinning consistently like that? Nevermind, at 2x speed it looked like it was moving like as if it was powered up.
I think there is a way to do it by giving power to the fan connectors, and just hide the connectors behind the gpu
Compressed air maybe?
They probably spray some compressed air into the fan seconds before the shoot. No need to mess with cables or fan connectors.
@@cameratests I guess that is a much easier way to do it.
I regret selling my 4770K so much. I bought it when it just came out and kept it until I bought my 5900X. It survived everything I threw at it, had it OCd for like 5 years straight. It would have been great now for a second machine for funsies
I'm still using mine... been Oc'd to 4.4 for 8 years now. I really hope it (and my 1080ti) don't crap out in the next year or 2... waiting to see what AM5 can do and see if ddr5 (and other) prices normalize somewhat.
wish me luck. :)
the new 12th gen i3 are decent as well, i really think you guys should have added that to the list here + the motherboard gives you plenty of upgrade options and this CPU + motherboard can support all of the new features like Pcle 5
Motherboards that support only 2 gens if you're lucky, hard to recommend to people with a budget.
@@Kaboomnz i mean 4 years later getting an i9-13900k does not sound too bad to me
@@Kaboomnz intel at this period has a 1 gen of advantage for support over amd.
Am4 is a dead platform. If mobo breaks after 2 years, you will be forced to migrate to a new platform
But the DDR5 motherboard & ram are very much not in the same budget range as this video
@@rhonpen5388 AM4 is not dead at all, AM5 is a long way off yet buddy and AMD are still selling CPUs, were you dropped on your head or something?
That is essentially what I did. B450 mobo, 2200G. Vega 8 works surprisingly well (great for catching up on my Steam library), and the used 5000 chips and DDR4 that's sure to fall from the sky soon leaves a totally economical upgrade path. If the GPU market ever cools off, the total package will be had cheaply.
I have the same rig but with an athlon 3000g
@@caden6389 I almost got the 3000G, but at the last minute I found a used 2200G for the same price. Gonna be nice when 5600G's start hitting the used market!
@@ChumpVice and they will as soon as the 6000G series processors come into play.
I did the same except I got the 3200g. I got the b450 tomahawk 2 for it, I was wondering if what he said about the sticker is going to cause me any issues? My mobo box says 3000 series ready but there's a 5000 ready sticker planted right above it.
My 4790K ($299 in 2015) is still looking like a great deal! Now if I could find a reasonable 3060ti...
The 3060ti would be bottle necked to hell and back.
@@TheMetaldudeX Not using them together.
Until recently (September of 2021) I was running a Core i7-3770K overclocked to (iirc) 4.2 GHz. For a nearly 10-year-old CPU, I had very good results with it. Combined with the GTX 1660 Ti GPU I had, I would get some *very* respectable results. Like 45-60 FPS in Cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p on max settings (no ray-tracing, obviously).
Damn really?!!!
@@waynemarsh7775you're running at a higher resolution, so the GPU becomes more of a bottle neck.
Dont know how most people still havent figured out that a GPU upgrade is Always better bang for your buck. You dont need to upgrade your CPU every other or even every 3rd gen, you can stall it and get a better GPU instead.
Just year ago is when I retired my 3770k over clocked to 4.7ghz all cores at first paired with a gtx 680 and eventually paired up with a gtx 1080 at its end of use. Damn good set up that ran from launch of ivy Bridge to when I upgraded finally to 5950x paired with an RTX 3090. Let's see how long I can run this new set up for. One year down, 8 more to go for the 5950x to beat the usefulness lifespan of my old 3770k.
@@scroopynooperz9051 yup, I upgraded monitors along the way from a gtx 680 to a gtx 1080 on my 3770k and the gtx 1080 was still the bottle neck on a lot of games. Up to the end of 2019.
I call bullshit, I was getting 40-50 FPS on Cyberpunk at 2k with my GTX 1080 + Ryzen 7 1700 OC to 3.8 Ghz with 3200 Mhz RAM, with a mix of medium to high settings. You're not getting that on max settings with a 1660 Ti, no way :).
We've got a 4770K system used daily for gaming and streaming @ 1080p 144Hz. It's paired with a GTX 1080 Ti and 16GB of DDR3 RAM. It doesn't do the streaming workload itself, but the gaming output is solid enough to be streamed. It's a solid workhorse that shows no signs of needing to be replaced. It's been great to avoid committing it to landfill as e-waste as it just keeps going. I reckon it'll still be going by the time Windows 10 is retired.
I would still go for the x58 just for the satisfaction from the overclocking capabilities, i got many of theese x5675, x5670 and x5660 cpus to 4,5Ghz stable with air
i miss this gains from overclocking on new cpus u are lucky if u get 10% more performance if u overclock everything on it
The fine tuning on x58 (with good mobo ofc) is just a joy.
Overclocking nowadays it's pointless because the chips come maxed out from the factory. If you're buying intel is just easier to buy a locked cpu and a B motherboard, and you're buying AMD just activate PBO and let the CPU play with itself.
Me too I have problem with putting Windows 10 to sleep. And BSOD. So it isn't good Idea.. even @4.5 with 200watt of power consumption..
I run an X58 setup for a long time in high school as a primary pc, started with an i7 950, then got a deal with an X5670. I had to get a ryzen 5 3600, because the xeon lacked some sse instructions for python autocomplete. It still runs as my primary server.
The main issues I had with windows 10 were BSOD on a certain update if you had vt-d enabled in bios, nvme drivers crashed constantly too.
On Linux it works perfectly with virtualization and Nvme optane as swap.
I ran my X58 board for nearly 10 years, the bang for buck I got off that platform was insane. Last CPU I ran on it was the x5675 at a conservative 4.2ghz but started having instabilities a couple of years ago so finally upgraded to Ryzen 3800X.
Kinda wild how decent Intel 2nd gen was even by modern standards. I had a Thinkpad running a 2520m that worked fine until some windows updates bricked it last year. I couldn't play modern games on it or anything, but that was more the lack of discrete GPU than the CPU.
i have a i7 920 OC @ 3.6 Ghz with stock cooler (they used to be beefier 1st gen, default 2.6 Ghz) and man that thing runs like a beast. My mobo for i7 4790K broke so i used it for almost a year just now. strangely the 4790K (OC @ 4.2, stock cooler) is that much of a win over a 920 but it still is
The thing is I have a Toshiba Satellite with i3 2348m cpu but with a powerful enough 710M
@@dhex2964 its consuming hundreds of watts of more power and much older than the core i3 2120.
Yeah, Sandy Bridge was a major upgrade in terms of overall platform and even performance over Westmere. A stock Xeon X5650 performs on par with a stock i7-3770, and the i7-2600 is so close to those two that with overclocking could likely surpass them, which is a feat considering the two fewer cores.
Windows updates bricked a lot of X86 netbooks too, there should have been a class action lawsuit over it.
I was expecting fluff about how used enterprise hardware isn't for everyone. I was NOT expecting to hear that maybe I should just hang onto my complete 4790k rig and sell off my 3200G bare CPU.
Ikr, I have a 4790k rig with a gtx 970 collecting dust because I thought wasn't that valuable. Guess I need to try to sell it now. (I upgraded to a Ryzen 5800X and a 3070 about 5 months ago now)
@@gavinsauer1608 it's pretty solid gaming rig for non "all ultra" gamers)
@@gavinsauer1608 i have the i5 4670k and the gtx 970 and i gave that pc to my daughter, it was ok but was struggling with modern games. also the audio jacks and some of the usb ports have died on the z87 asrock pro board..
@@Mattboulton88 I think the issue there is probably more the cpu rather than the graphics card though, (or perhaps ram limitations if it has less than 16gb) since that card is a little better than a gtx 1060 3gb
I got my i7 3770k for free from a local PC recycling company.
I got basically my entire pc from them; 32gb ram, 2tb HDD, Mobo, 750w PSU and a GTX 970 (although I recently bought a better GPU). It’s great having friends there, as they are starting to get better and better hardware, even got some decent Samsung SSDs
I've still got 1366 platform running right now. Way back when it was my gaming PC, swapped in a 6 Core Xeon in years ago now and thanks to the 6 gen 2 and 6 gen 3 sata connections on the board it's my server storing my steam library and my plex server among tons of other things.
Heyyy hardware bro, me too. Up until 2019 I was running a Xeon X5675 6c/12t @ 4.8GHz 1.46v on custom water with 24GB tri-channel DDR3 @ 1877MHz CL8. It was about as fast as a Ryzen 5 2600 in games, and could equal a Ryzen 5 1600X in productivity apps. At Zen2 launch, I also retired my Xeon to NAS duty, and you'd have to pry my X58 from my cold dead fingers. X58 dethroned socket 939 as my all time favorite platform, it's hilariously fun to mess with. The performance you can get even 11 years later is still very good, and overall X58 is just legendary status.
@@K31TH3R Oh, it's by far my favorite platform I ever had. I remember running it for years and not even having any real option to upgrade to anything newer. It still performed top tier for generations. It's really only in the last couple years that the Gen 3 parts of it are starting to become any kind of hinderance in reality.
This one hits close to home. My 10 years old mobo died last week. 12th Gen Intel and DDR5 seemed like the leap I was waiting for, but with only scalper priced stocks were available, I decided to get my orphaned i7-3770 a new motherboard. Now the dilemma: a used feature-rich mobo or a new bare-bone mobo for about the same price. I chose the new GA-H61M-DS2 which still offered warranty, surprisingly.
DDR5 isn't worth the price premium even at MSRP, you'd be just fine with DDR4 on 12th Gen. Most of the DDR5 kits of today won't be very good in the long run anyway and probably not really something you'd want to carry forward to a new platform. Looks like you'll be good for a little while longer though so you'll have more to consider when Zen 4 launches (hopefully it's good)
Get cheap new board. Way too much risk that old board will die on you.
4:40
The same happened to me when I tried to overclock my i7 2700k back in 2019. Don't remember which model was the motherboard, but it was from gigabyte (GA 77P, or something like that). My case was that three capacitors just straight gave up, "easy fix" but independent shops were charging over twice the price of the motherboard for repair here in Brazil and I'm not that great at DIY to buy a soldering iron (is that the name in English?) to fix it myself
You know its been this long and I still have no idea how to know what parts are compatible and what aren’t…
I still rock a 4770k and it never failed me. Good to hear that I can upgrade my 970 to a 3070. If it ever ends up being available.
I managed to buy a i3 9100f for 75$ in 2019 and its good but definitely struggles in newer games that require more threads/cores in particular
I've been rocking a i7-3930K for over a decade at this point, I got it on a deep discount brand new thanks to the Intel Retail Edge program back when I worked retail and it still holds up pretty well considering its age. The walls have slowly started to close in the past couple of years tho and I'm probably going to have to upgrade more sooner than later, but I certainly got my moneys worth.
How on earth can you draw that conclusion based on that? If anything, that proves the exact opposite.
If you've been able to live with a 3930k for so long, then obviously you've never needed that amount of performance to begin with.
Meaning, you'd been better off with a 2500k or a 2600k and used the rest on a gpu upgrade, ect.
@@Orcawhale1 And how can you draw _that_ conclusion based on nothing except what processor he has? You don't know what his other components are or the workload it's being used for.
@@jojivlogs_4255 Because of this line " got it on a deep discount brand new thanks to the Intel Retail Edge program".
Meaning he wouldn't have gotten a HEDT chip, if it weren't for the discount. IE, he didn't need the power...
I'm currently running a i7 4770 paired with a 3060ti and it's been fantastic. It's gaming is pretty dang good for such an old cpu (I bought it 6+ years ago) and there really are no complaints besides it being kind of ancient and "not new". This setup does fine for apex legends, and if I wanted to pass this cpu+board down to my father for his web surfing, it's more than capable of proccessing whatever he wants.
LTT is entertainment and good at it, BUT take a grain of salt on their testing. If you want hardcore analysis, go to GN, HUB, DF, to name a few... and yes, Tech City coz his Xeon video is way better than LTT's inaccurate representation of the X58 platform.
Those numbers for the Xeon seem way too low. I have a Xeon 5670 OC'ed to 4ghz and my numbers are way higher than the scores I am seeing and I'm running just a 1080ti. Just saying.
I have an X5680 overclocked as high as 4.68 GHz and stable at 4.65
I have an x5680 set to 4.2ghz and it works just fine with a rx 5700xt I just beat re4 remake and doom eternal both had no issues high frame rates
having more Ghz only matters if your capping out your execution instructions. The moment your not using every instruction and are waiting on other parts of the system to respond (Ram, HD, GPU, ect) you wont see any improvements from overclocking. You need to be aware of you bus bandwidth limitations if your trying to push older systems up to modern performance.
Exactly. Out of all the noob comments here, yours is the correct comment. I am right now operating many old pentiums/i5/Xeons all because for me bandwidth is more important than clock speed while running my database servers. They all run at stock speeds.
I have been a builder/tech for 25yrs. Never ever owned a new rig. Always pilfered my jank off gumtree and via mates etc. Trying to get rando hardware to work well together reliably is my life!
That moment when Linus mentions really old CPUs and you still use one of those... (i5 2500K)
Same...
I3 2100 lol
Have one sat here that won't sell... Nobody wants them really. Hope you can upgrade soon!
The years are making my 7700k feel inadequate, and videos like these are giving me a reality check, that it's probably still fine.
Especially when your CPU doesn't support Windows 11
I had a 3770k, it was pretty much just as good as the 4770k; replaced it a few years ago for a 9900k. It still did its job right up until the end; I only replaced it because I wanted better VR performance. But she was a good girl, used her for 6 years.
2:51 this is a most beautiful sentence (ratchet static overclock)
Great video! Please keep doing pieces like these... Personally I just upgraded from 4770k to 12700k. Although for the vast majority of games the 4770k is fine. The more demanding games need more then 4c/8t especially at the 0.1% fps which is extremely annoying and finally I decided to upgrade
Same. It’s all fun and games until your frame times go all over the place. Honestly, I think that’s why so many people don’t realise they need to upgrade from this.
Its not about threads unless you have just 1-4. 12100f beats many eight-core cpus with ease. Even 3900X is struggling in some games.
Same reason I went from a 3570K to a 11400. Set PL1 to 35W for silent low power browsing and netflix and PL2 to 154W with Tau set at 4095 seconds. In FH4 this moved my average FPS from 30 to 84, with the same GTX970 that's been OC'd to hell and back.
i'm looking for upgrading my 6600k because It also really lacking in the multithreading performance. Notice it with VR and workloads like unreal engine where some projects just take forever to load.
Something is wrong with your x58 setup as I have a non ti 3060 in my garage computer running this exact processor and get more fps...
I had a dream last night. I was watching a LTT video about a revolutionary new CPU/Memory technology where they could easily swap in and out different compute capabilities like at the time of an order. Memory had switched from the normal 4 DIMM sockets to a layout of 2 side by side m.2 memory devices. Part of the configurable system was a complex board that plugged into both m.2 slots and included part of the processing power as well. You bought the CPU and memory as a single matched set based on the things you wanted to hardware accelerate (GPU, encoding, etc.) and how many cores you wanted, leaning towards single core performance or massive multi-threading capabilities. This was all accomplished by using a process to swap out tiny modular sub-chip components on the memory and CPU chips that were already in place on the boards. In my dream they were rectangular, partially transparent, and quite colorful (none of which make any sense now). The swapping process wasn't plugging them into sockets or soldering them to the board, you were actually integrating modular sub chips into the existing base chips in a relatively approachable process.
My old 4790k and 980gtx running fine. After 8 years.
Running a Xeon e5 2678v3 on a Chinese motherboard made from used chipset that I bought on AliExpress for a year now. It's so nice to have 12 cores on 3.2 MHz. And the whole set with 34 gigabytes of DDR4 and NVMe SSD cost me around 300$.
34GB of RAM? what configuration are you running?
0.0032ghz 😳
Here from Tech Yes City which got REAL results on the xeon. 🤷♂️ I trust tech yes.
TERRIBLE INACCURATE DATA this X58 HAS to be faulty those fps numbers are WAAAY far off from what these xeons are capable of. Watch any video with some who ACTUALLY KNOWS how capable X58 still is (TechYES City, RandomGaminHD). An overclocked X5670 (4ghz) is on par with 4770K and can be had for under $10! Please revisit X58 in another video with a board that actually works and running in triple channel.
Im using a 4790k still with a RTX 3070. No issues or bottlenecks. Long live the 4th Gen
I'm running a i7 8700k and it's still a very powerful cpu. it does everything it should without any problems. Video Editing, Recording and even streaming works absolutely smooth. even with 1440p
well, yeah, its not that old :d
Same Cpu - and that will be enough for the next 5 years to come too (unless you wanna play high-referesh or just benchmark).
It is. The point here, that you are batter off wth 10/11/12th+ gen for a new build.
@@roymarr6181 Not quite "no different" - a non-K 11700 is about as fast at half the power dissipation, plus PCIe 4.0 support, 4 more CPU lanes in general and twice the DMI bandwidth towards the chipset. Not a ton of progress for 3 gens but it is there.
On my very own 11700, I can match the 8700K's approx. 1350 points in Cinebench R15 with 12 render threads at 65-66 W indicated package power (3.2 GHz allcore turbo, ~95 W wall power draw). With 16 threads, the closest match is 2.7 GHz allcore (48ish W) at 1339. Mind you, uncore power at idle is only 3.8ish W as the system is tricked out with ASPM for PCIe and DMI, SATA HIPM + DIPM, lowly onboard graphics, and memory runs at 2933 with 1.2 V and 1:2 memory controller gearing.
I can get 2130 at stock speeds, but it will guzzle 146ish W then, which would not be sustained long-term.
I don't doubt that it is more common for motherboards to fail than CPUs, but I actually had the opposite experience with my X99 build. And I also learned something interesting that might be part of why X99 motherboards in particular are so expensive -X99 is compatible with certain Xeons from that generation as well as Core processors. So similar to multiple generations of Ryzen CPUs being supported on each generation of chipset, in some cases multiple generations of Xeons (e.g. there are v1,v2,v3 of certain Xeons) and Core (5XXX and 6XXX Extreme edition) processors were compatible with the X99 chipset.
When my X99 build died, I had to take a stab in the dark and buy something to try and figure out if it was the CPU or motherboard. I found a barebones motherboard for $150, or a Xeon E5-1620v3 which was compatible with X99 (not all Xeons are compatible!) for $12. I went with the Xeon due to cost, and to my surprise, it worked! I lost two threads and significant performance...but for $12? Not too bad.
Weird how the $110 Intel 12100f was left out here. You can get a CPU way faster than the Ryzen 2600 for less money, brand new. Only problem being finding a sub $100 motherboard.
3300x is better
Prebuilt lenovo ideacentre is cheap only thing is to get RAM sticks and a ssd and will then sail to flood of fps gaming at under the price of a CORE i5 12600K
Som cheap h610 is for 90€
@@iAMaReaperGotprobZhave fun getting a 3300x for retail
They also left out the 10105F which can be paired with any cheap B560 board for a total of under $200 but beats the 2600, and is more on par with the 3300X
getting the 2600X was probably my best decision for my computer, upgrading from an FX-6300 to the 2600X was HUGE. i recommended the same set up for my friend, built it for him and now he doesn't have an FX-6300 (we had the same prebuilt without knowing). but hes still stuck on a 2GB RX 560.
Techyescity sent me here
Heres me benchmarking a HP Z420 workstation with a Xeon E5 1660v2 cpu and 32gb 1866mhz quad channel ddr3 ecc ram and it rocking tests no problems...
I have a old w3670 overclocked to 4.2 @1.275 with good temps (if i remember 50-60 under full load) in a secondary rig. it still does lighter games quite well. Just a note it needed a bclk overclock as it has a locked multiplier which is harder as it affects the clocks on the ram and pci etc. The w3680 is unlocked i think but im not 100 percent sure. Still for a 10+ year old system (minus the 1060 6gb) it has done well.
Im on a w3670 at the same clocks, works a charm
As the owner of a 4770k, I am really glad you did this work. Thank you!
I like that the $196 "b450" set clearly has an a320 board that wouldn't handle high powered newer ryzen chips even if the chipset supported them.
You can get a real B450 for the $53 in the image. No big deal.
@@juntapiezas One that would still struggle with even a 3700X...
you can run Ryzen 3900X to 5950X on A320, it's been proven several times
@@alexskywalker888 someone on a budget isn't likely to go from a 15 to a 37x. If you're going for anything above a 36, you aren't exactly the kind of 'on a budget' that's likely to reuse old mobos.
Linus just calling us all out, My I7 4770 works great with a GTX1070
From testing my Xeons the 1650 v3 with haswell cores are awesome. nice to know I can move from the 1050 Ti and not worry. Coincidentally my first 1680 v2 Gigabyte board failed on me so it's a fact that the failure rate goes up. I bought a X79 from New old stock and over paid but am happy with the results overall.
Why buy a server CPU to begin with unless your running one? Why not opt to get a consumer cpu? Cost too much?? Never understoos the obsession for getting server gear running
@@JohnDoeC78 I also own Ryzens, 3 of them, personally 8 cores at 4.5 GHz and 4 Channels of memory, a massive 25MB cache and 40 PCI-E 3.0 Lanes is why. At the time of purchase a 10400 was $100 more and the motherboard the same price as an LGA1200. DDR3 is cheap too. As for my Server it is running a 2560 V3. It's not an obsession it's knowledge.
6:57 I agree, I used a 8 year old computer for years with this CPU, I gave it to my friend when I got a new one and he has no complainants either, this cpu is amazing!