This is amazing. Even as a MotoGP follower I've never seen such a detailed explanation of aero in GP and had no idea how this stuff worked. People who work in MotoGP media really aren't equipped to explain aero, like you said it's new tech for them
Indeed pretty cool to finaly understand the wheel covers advantages, as well as the rider blocking the front wing that's closest to the ground in corners, etc... Thumb up.
Same as in F1 while some tech details come out there is a huge amount of nifty things going on that the mainstream guys just aren’t able to get across… a shame really…
It's great to have an insight on Grand Prix motorcycle engineering, a highly interesting yet often overlooked playing field. More of this, please! If only wings were banned on motorcycles, however. It made them turn from a classic racing beauty into yet another ungainly racing insect within a decade.
Boring streamlined bodies vs solving one of the hardest problems in vehicle aerodynamics . Engineering is beauty and wings on bikes look badass, so i'll have to disagrre
@@t0k4m4k7 Solving technical problems is not "beauty" dude. Imagine telling a beautiful girl "Your face looks bad ass! Perfectly designed for breathing and eating. Will you marry me?" Function is not easthetics man, being well engineered does not make something beautiful.
@@yinyangsaladgang8789 That's like, your opinion man. Also aesthetic preferences in humans usually follow symmetry and other standards that indirectly measure health, fertility and fitness.
@@t0k4m4k7 Sure thing man. And the golden ratio is fake, truth is subjective, opinions are reality, and nothing really means anything at all. Great stuff 👍
To have an explanation for the different aerodynamic parts that feature on these bikes was really helpful indeed. Didn't think the wheel wake correction additions could double down as downforce generators in the corners. That was so cool to know. Great video! A bit in the dark over how the lower front wing element acts as a stalling device.
Thanks! Stalling of the inner one is a bit tricky to show. The curved domain while cornering and the resulting onset angle for the lower wing can stall it, which would improve the side force problem.
Too Many Aero's became Weird and Funny, Too Many electronics Sensors become Weird, Still in love with MotoGP in the old days, when 2 cycle engine is the King, when carburetors is used, no injection and others weird things..damn i missed and loved those old times...
It's crazy how far they've come and how quickly development happens in racing ! I remember seeing my first GSX-R 750 in 1986 at Loconia/Loudon New Hampshire. Can remember thinking how wild it was and so aerodynamic (at the time) compared to its competitors. Little did we know that what happening was such a revolutionary design step and just how far it will and has gone !! Those days were crazy and I'm so happy to see the improvements in rider safety compared to those days ! The rider aids are the biggest factor in that. Back then they high sided so much more without traction control. Also the firing order made their power application crucial unlike today's 🏍 bikes ! Don't get me wrong it's still a very dangerous sport and they're truly the gladiators of our day sporting wise ! Imagine if you told Kenny Robert's ,Fast Freddie , Wayne Rainey, Randy Mamola,or Kevin Schwantz that they needed to lean so far over and forward that they'd drag their elbows not just their knee in a corner . They would think you're crazy or something. Hope these aero bits make it to production sportbike racing. Would be crazy to watch them at the Daytona200 on the banking drafting and slipstream passing and being able to carry more of their speed into the turns. The racing there is just amazing. That's a video you could make to help explain how they use the tire as another gear in a sense on the banking ! Scott Russell realized that if he kept the bike leaned over till he hit top speed then stood the bike upright, the tires larger circumference was like hitting another gear ⚙️ or taller ratio in a way ! Just awesome and truly amazing stuff to see in person. Plus its odd to see a bike higher then you on the banking but still be looking at the riders back cause they're still leaned over on 33° banking going 180-200 mph by you. Along drafting passing getting drafted and repassing eachother several times just from back straight chicane to turn 1. Brass, massive brass balls ! NO more like titanium balls !!!
Absolutely great explanation that is hard to find anywhere else in this quality and detail. Wasn't there also an attempt to use the exhaust flow to smooth out the aerodynamic turbulence of the rear end or rider back (Ducati)? Since currently exhausts are often installed asymmetrically, this does not seem to be applied at present, right?
Wow! this is some good content. As a F1 aero fanboy who knows nothing about bikes i am absolutedy stunned, especially by the underbody becoming a sideways diffusor when cornering!
I really enjoyed this video! Learned something new regarding the angling of the wings so that it can create downforce on corners while canceling out the side force in corners! Keep it up
I appreciate all the thoughtful insights in this video. Coming from a staunch naked bike rider I do know ful well how aero can definitely improve your performance adding speed on track. However in tight mountain corners and regular canyon carving the effects are limited. Thanks for this video.
As an aerodynamicist and structural engineer I am impressed with you analysis of F1 and MotoGP. If allowed, a ground effect tunnel between the wheels that could swivel with lean angle and sealed by side skirts would be a huge advantage. Or similarly, a fan boosted swivel vacuum section taking inspiration from the McMurtry spiraling fan car would be very effective. The 100% theoretical vacuum force is huge. The McMurtry group probably did trade-offs between more area and more vacuum as the primary design driver.
I like your content. Its actually intersting. Yes, Ducati being the pioneer of this aerodynamic improvements really benifits the bike speed & handling. Hopefully, Ducati would introduce another aero upgrades this season that would force other teams to make one of their own. The aero downwash Ducati did was briliant. I think bikes need more like that on its farings. Its going to be interesting. Suzuki on other hand is likely the one that always last in making updates even with the ride height device. Even their aero hasn't been change. Also, the changes they made is always little.
Ducati are not the pioneers for motogp level racing aero designs, that you think they are. Honda made an aero gp optimized bike way before Ducati started adding those leg slicers to their gp bikes, a gp bike so efficient that the testing gp riders were not able to actually complete a full race distance at testing let alone riding at race pace without major physical problems while riding that bike, basically a bike that was race un-rider-able because it was to efficient !!!!
@@lyellharrington7260 How can you say Honda was the 1st one to introduce the aero that even them dislike it at first due to the turbulence give to the riders behind. With its benifits more to the discomfort, MotoGP has chosen perhaps the safest way to make Aero design mandatory to each team. Look at Honda while Ducatil & even KTM are already trying different designs. Honda is stil had that subtle look of their aero similar to Aprilia. Also, only Pol opted to use the small side fairing at Mandalika. Because it looks like it wasn't yet proven. The rest of the grid aren't yet convince of the benifits of the aero on theit bikes. Hopefully, with this front holeshot being banned, Ducati could find another alternative to optimize the downforce on front end of bike. Perhaps, an aero downwash that could able to push down the front, just saying.
@@dayleashleynolasco5765 Did you think I was writing about the riders behind that Honda prototype aero gp bike while it was been tested ?, I WAS WRITNG ABOUT THE TESTING RIDERS OF THAT AERO GP BIKE, there's a very profound difference between the two and where did I write the riders behind were physically affected by the Honda prototype aero gp bike in my first reply to your comment?. Now actually pay full attention to what I actually write below. Ask yourself this "Why didn't Honda use that aero tech from that prototype aero gp bike to smash their racing opponents in gp ?". The answer is simple yet complex, the pros & cons of aero tech reliant set ups were easly outweighed by the pros of very good mechanical grip set ups that Honda's are rightfully known for in their bikes , a design style principle that has been in every one of their high end racing & superbikes for decades - so why bother with very complicated aero set ups when it's not needed! And no Ducati hasn't been a real innovator of motorbike tech & design for quite a few decades now, they have been good at replicating the innovating motorbike tech & design of others who have been good at innovating but real innovation is not their style at all. That got proven many a time since the early 1990's the most notable been of the Britten V1000 a home built & designed bike giving the full factory Ducati superbike a very good scare in performance values in the early 1990's, Rossi's time with Ducati been a complete waste of time in the development to a winning bike ( the input from a multiple world champ got wasted big time!!), Ducati superbikes been defected in WSB by bikes with less power & cc displacement - need I go on for you.? Learn your history when it comes to so called current racing tech innovation no matter the racing discipline, cause what you think is new edge tech is actually very old tech from the first half of the 1900's been looked at again with fresh eyes & powerful computers - and that is hard fact written in the books of automotive history.
Amazing thing about motorbikes is how you can feel these things a lot more than in a car. I remember adding a winglet to my bike and it immediately felt a lot more planted in corners. In a car I had to "squint" to notice a difference.
I really do wonder if any of the manufacturers have taken any notes from the V1000 Britten. Some what a very areo dynamic bike for a guy in his back shed in Christchurch New Zealand in the 90's
Fascinating !! Even MotoGP bikes are painfully slow in corners compared to their 4-wheeled counterparts. It will be interesting to see if these engineering efforts will be able to close the gap …
We want more analysis on this sport! And maybe this will become your appealing feature as for now, there is little channel that discuss this thing deeply
Hi, amazing video! Thanks! There is one thing explained I struggle with though: the lower the CoG of a bike the higher the angle in a given corner. From a physics point of view I get why, but if it is the case why do riders lean into the corner thus lowering even more the CoG instead of doing the exact opposite ? I know they do that (stay straight) in some type of oval motorbike racing. Why the discrepancy?
Goddammit! You are infuriating! I can't complain about your video! None, so far! ... ::) Seriously, this is terrific. I learn more in you video than in a season of MotoGP videos by all the others. Same with your F1 videos. Fantastic work. No bullshit, informative, to the point. Everyone else is playing tool presentations. Thanks for your great work!
so glad you're doing this but doing something in the vein of how you covered the 2022 f1 cars would be cool in an aero sense, of course the development of the bikes isn't as consistent as f1 cars but it would be cool nether the less
Y'know, the first time I ever saw wings on a Ducati I thought they looked atrocious. Funny how much I love them now. You can't deny they work and it's amazing how fast they're evolving.
So if been remaking my drag bike in this style and hopefully in the next year I can get it out to show. I found a really good way to fix the airflow around the riders back and it helps keep the front wheel down. Wouldn't help motogp much as the side load would be too much under corners but maybe they can use a smaller version
What will be different between an motogp and electricity race bike. I am confused in my opinion because in bike I love the guess of wind instead of the iconic "varum".
Here we go! This is where I want things to go in gp. I always wondered when this kinda thing would come to the world of bikes, and here it is. I hope they keep their hands off the rules for a while and give us a good half a decade of some real wild west type shit.
sorry to point out but the cog on motorcycle cornering youve got it the other way round. the big bang firing order's effect on tyres too is actually based on crankshaft rotational vibrations caused by the inherent design of a piston connecting rod engine while a vee engine balances it out. check out explainations on yamaha's cross plane crank where an in line engine thinks it is a vee
COG position is a compromise for every manufacturer, some prefer a lower COG so their customers can handle bikes more easily. But in racing you prefer a higher COG and solve the resulting problems as described in this video. As the name says and shown here, big bang engines bring two ignitions closer together for a big bang and a longer break until the next ignition, which allows more controllable drifts and easier handling on the edge.
I didn't know they allowed so much aero in motogp. I don't like it. But one thing is certain, ridability wins over everything else, every time. Motogp bikes are so violent and powerful, they must make very big compromises on performance to begin with. There are far faster and superior basic layouts but they lack the feedback and confidence and thus end up being slower when actually ridden on the limit. I am not sure if aero could change that and ultimately change the basic layout as well. But I find it hard to believe aero would improve confidence and maybe one day when everyone runs complicated aero package on bike, someone suddenly realizes they can go faster with less intrusive and more neutral aero instead. Also for example adding wings to the from to counter wheelie does not make the bike faster unless you also move the COG higher to allow more weight transfer or otherwise add weight to the rear. Lower COG generally makes the bike slower so higher COG with wings is good.
front wings will increase acceleration out of corners rather than top speed as the anti-wheelie system will cut the power when it senses too much wheel lift which means less acceleration. Now the Gp bikes have "shape-shifters", basically a mechanical ride height altering device which will lower and raise the front and rear according to the situation. Once the hard acceleration phase is over after exiting the corner the rider can drop the rear which brings the front up and makes the front wing less effective and hence reducing drag and increasing top-speed. As soon as the rider engages the front brakes the rear lifts back up and makes the front wing more effective and increasing downforce during braking phase to push the fr tyre down and increase stability and brake pressure. During a race start they drop both front and rear which reduces COG reducing wheelies, this also brings the front wing to the correct AOA and increasing front downforce and further reducing wheelies. Also, lowering the ride height makes the bike longer which reduces wheelie even further but a longer bike is also more stable than a shorter one which will also reduce side-side wobbles under heavy acceleration. Phew! 😅
@@girishs1755 Ah, it seems they have figured a way to tap to low speed compression. I think it should be banned because such "active" devices will quickly lead to a bike which is unridable without them. Or in case the rider has a small mishap barely hanging on and ends badly just because the bike was out of balance because he could not operate some levers the right way. And yes of course by faster I mean quicker out of the corners. A motorcyle without significant aero or active suspension devices is a beautiful and incredibly well balanced compromise. It would be a shame to see it go for these.
Can you explain please why if you have a combined higher CoG on a bike you have to lean less, i know that the opposite applies that's why modern racers hang off so that to remove the CoG lower & lean less
This video is great, pretty much explains all of the aero features of a motogp bike, but what i still am not 100% sure i agree with is the downwashing wings, why would they act as diffuser strakes?, i dont think with the design, it wouldn't be anything to keep the tyre squirt away from the side body. And i dont think maximising downforce on that particular area of the bike was not ducati's main goal because it wouldn't be beneficial (and that's why other teams dont copy them). Personally, i always thought they help in aiding the cooling of the rear tyre because ducatis are known for their power and thus need more cooling of the tyre. Although i don't have CFD data, i honestly think that is the most logical use of the downwashing wings.
I noticed many of the MotoGP riders hang their inside leg quite far off the bike during hard braking, could the be for extra drag to help with deceleration?
It's a result of the current improvements of the bikes. The effects are minimal but every little helps in MotoGP: Brake forces are so high that the foot tends to slip off the peg. - The lower hanging leg reduces the COG slightly which gives more brake stability. - The driver moves slightly back, which brings more weight to the back. - It shifts a little more weight onto the outboard foot peg. Aerodynamically it: - increases drag - enlarges the wake - pulls the drivers body a bit further back, which releases stress from his arms
The drag of these can’t be too bad. While F1 cars always stall out and hit a brick wall around 190, MotoGP just continues to accelerate like a rocket up until the braking point. They accelerate from 200-240 the way most sports cars accelerate from 20-60.
The wake of a bike is much easier to avoid, they simply produce much smaller waves . Also the body of the bike is much less wind effective. These attachments give far less relative downforce so their movements in the wind are less affecting of other bikes. F1 has massive body area in comparison which is why they now care about the Wake that each car makes …
I wonder if the riders can sense the effects of all these additions.. and how much force is generated by each element.. my 916 is fine for the road as it is!
As a mechincal engineer and a longtime fan of both F1 and MotoGP,I am pleased that aerodynamica are now a large part of a Moto GP bikes performance.Until Ducati pioneered the front wings a few seasons ago in the premier class,the aerdynamic concerns of the teams were contained to slim streaming and maintaining an efficient tuck.no that the teams and the riders realize the impact that downforce has on the overall handling of the bike along with generating a fast laptime.I am also quite interested and pleased with the introduction of active ride-height along with holeshot devices for the front and rear suspension.The mechanical and aerodynamic advancement in MotoGP will only get better.
When I bought my Moto Guzzi LeMans III (ca 500 years ago) the bike would nod to one side when opening the throttle / reving the engine in neutral ;-) first time I almost fell over cause I didn’t expect it,.. Also regarding the Aero - Jesus this starts to go as crazy as F1 aero… which is logical but not something that makes it great for the viewers…
I’m a Luddite as far as aero on bikes is concerned. I’d rather they were just bikes not the bike version of F1. But I’m a dinosaur and know it’s obvious this is here to stay. It’s like the 70s in F1.
unnecessary expense only the team purse matters , it can mask riders ability, this and other innovations such as throttle and engine brake mapping that has to be set up corner for corner. is it at all necessary, speedway has just one rider and mechanic and it still thrills, a good club race is no less exciting without the bells and whistles
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This is amazing. Even as a MotoGP follower I've never seen such a detailed explanation of aero in GP and had no idea how this stuff worked. People who work in MotoGP media really aren't equipped to explain aero, like you said it's new tech for them
Indeed pretty cool to finaly understand the wheel covers advantages, as well as the rider blocking the front wing that's closest to the ground in corners, etc... Thumb up.
Same as in F1 while some tech details come out there is a huge amount of nifty things going on that the mainstream guys just aren’t able to get across… a shame really…
It has become so weird to see the old bikes without all the wings and aerodynamic surfaces
Great video once again
You mean proper bikes that could follow and overtake
i’ve learnt so much in thi video, it’s crazy how they use a sort of ground effect while leaning
This was so amazing and clear to understand...especially the lower side wings of ducati THANK YOU
You are welcome!
enjoy learning from different disciplines.
It's great to have an insight on Grand Prix motorcycle engineering, a highly interesting yet often overlooked playing field. More of this, please!
If only wings were banned on motorcycles, however. It made them turn from a classic racing beauty into yet another ungainly racing insect within a decade.
I find the precise manipulation of airflow the wings represent to be just as beautiful.
Boring streamlined bodies vs solving one of the hardest problems in vehicle aerodynamics . Engineering is beauty and wings on bikes look badass, so i'll have to disagrre
@@t0k4m4k7 Solving technical problems is not "beauty" dude. Imagine telling a beautiful girl "Your face looks bad ass! Perfectly designed for breathing and eating. Will you marry me?" Function is not easthetics man, being well engineered does not make something beautiful.
@@yinyangsaladgang8789 That's like, your opinion man. Also aesthetic preferences in humans usually follow symmetry and other standards that indirectly measure health, fertility and fitness.
@@t0k4m4k7 Sure thing man. And the golden ratio is fake, truth is subjective, opinions are reality, and nothing really means anything at all. Great stuff 👍
To have an explanation for the different aerodynamic parts that feature on these bikes was really helpful indeed. Didn't think the wheel wake correction additions could double down as downforce generators in the corners. That was so cool to know. Great video!
A bit in the dark over how the lower front wing element acts as a stalling device.
Thanks!
Stalling of the inner one is a bit tricky to show. The curved domain while cornering and the resulting onset angle for the lower wing can stall it, which would improve the side force problem.
Too Many Aero's became Weird and Funny, Too Many electronics Sensors become Weird, Still in love with MotoGP in the old days, when 2 cycle engine is the King, when carburetors is used, no injection and others weird things..damn i missed and loved those old times...
this was one of the best explanations of motogp tech in long time.
Glad it was helpful!
It's crazy how far they've come and how quickly development happens in racing ! I remember seeing my first GSX-R 750 in 1986 at Loconia/Loudon New Hampshire. Can remember thinking how wild it was and so aerodynamic (at the time) compared to its competitors. Little did we know that what happening was such a revolutionary design step and just how far it will and has gone !! Those days were crazy and I'm so happy to see the improvements in rider safety compared to those days ! The rider aids are the biggest factor in that. Back then they high sided so much more without traction control. Also the firing order made their power application crucial unlike today's 🏍 bikes ! Don't get me wrong it's still a very dangerous sport and they're truly the gladiators of our day sporting wise ! Imagine if you told Kenny Robert's ,Fast Freddie , Wayne Rainey, Randy Mamola,or Kevin Schwantz that they needed to lean so far over and forward that they'd drag their elbows not just their knee in a corner . They would think you're crazy or something. Hope these aero bits make it to production sportbike racing. Would be crazy to watch them at the Daytona200 on the banking drafting and slipstream passing and being able to carry more of their speed into the turns. The racing there is just amazing. That's a video you could make to help explain how they use the tire as another gear in a sense on the banking ! Scott Russell realized that if he kept the bike leaned over till he hit top speed then stood the bike upright, the tires larger circumference was like hitting another gear ⚙️ or taller ratio in a way ! Just awesome and truly amazing stuff to see in person. Plus its odd to see a bike higher then you on the banking but still be looking at the riders back cause they're still leaned over on 33° banking going 180-200 mph by you. Along drafting passing getting drafted and repassing eachother several times just from back straight chicane to turn 1. Brass, massive brass balls ! NO more like titanium balls !!!
This video was fascinating.
I had no idea about any of this, I might start keeping up with MotoGP now
Glad you enjoyed it!
Absolutely great explanation that is hard to find anywhere else in this quality and detail.
Wasn't there also an attempt to use the exhaust flow to smooth out the aerodynamic turbulence of the rear end or rider back (Ducati)? Since currently exhausts are often installed asymmetrically, this does not seem to be applied at present, right?
Wow! this is some good content. As a F1 aero fanboy who knows nothing about bikes i am absolutedy stunned, especially by the underbody becoming a sideways diffusor when cornering!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I really like that you are doing Moto gp content. Would love to see more of it!
Thanks, I was always confused with Moto GP Aero now it makes sense
Interesting video that dissects a subject that seems to be largely uncovered. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
I really enjoyed this video! Learned something new regarding the angling of the wings so that it can create downforce on corners while canceling out the side force in corners! Keep it up
excellent breakdown, thanks
great explainer! Glad Bryson S directed me to you!
Great stuff! I have been following motorcycle racing for a years but I learned a lot from this video
I appreciate all the thoughtful insights in this video. Coming from a staunch naked bike rider I do know ful well how aero can definitely improve your performance adding speed on track. However in tight mountain corners and regular canyon carving the effects are limited. Thanks for this video.
These types of videos is why I'm getting better on motogp 2k21 lol
am not even finished and I think is the greatest sinthesis ever of the sport
As an aerodynamicist and structural engineer I am impressed with you analysis of F1 and MotoGP. If allowed, a ground effect tunnel between the wheels that could swivel with lean angle and sealed by side skirts would be a huge advantage. Or similarly, a fan boosted swivel vacuum section taking inspiration from the McMurtry spiraling fan car would be very effective. The 100% theoretical vacuum force is huge. The McMurtry group probably did trade-offs between more area and more vacuum as the primary design driver.
Excellent overview! Thank you!
It is just the beginning! Wonderful content, thank you for the great information. I learned a lot. 👏👏
I like your content. Its actually intersting. Yes, Ducati being the pioneer of this aerodynamic improvements really benifits the bike speed & handling. Hopefully, Ducati would introduce another aero upgrades this season that would force other teams to make one of their own. The aero downwash Ducati did was briliant. I think bikes need more like that on its farings.
Its going to be interesting. Suzuki on other hand is likely the one that always last in making updates even with the ride height device. Even their aero hasn't been change. Also, the changes they made is always little.
Ducati are not the pioneers for motogp level racing aero designs, that you think they are.
Honda made an aero gp optimized bike way before Ducati started adding those leg slicers to their gp bikes, a gp bike so efficient that the testing gp riders were not able to actually complete a full race distance at testing let alone riding at race pace without major physical problems while riding that bike, basically a bike that was race un-rider-able because it was to efficient !!!!
@@lyellharrington7260 How can you say Honda was the 1st one to introduce the aero that even them dislike it at first due to the turbulence give to the riders behind. With its benifits more to the discomfort, MotoGP has chosen perhaps the safest way to make Aero design mandatory to each team. Look at Honda while Ducatil & even KTM are already trying different designs. Honda is stil had that subtle look of their aero similar to Aprilia. Also, only Pol opted to use the small side fairing at Mandalika. Because it looks like it wasn't yet proven. The rest of the grid aren't yet convince of the benifits of the aero on theit bikes.
Hopefully, with this front holeshot being banned, Ducati could find another alternative to optimize the downforce on front end of bike. Perhaps, an aero downwash that could able to push down the front, just saying.
@@dayleashleynolasco5765
Did you think I was writing about the riders behind that Honda prototype aero gp bike while it was been tested ?, I WAS WRITNG ABOUT THE TESTING RIDERS OF THAT AERO GP BIKE, there's a very profound difference between the two and where did I write the riders behind were physically affected by the Honda prototype aero gp bike in my first reply to your comment?.
Now actually pay full attention to what I actually write below.
Ask yourself this "Why didn't Honda use that aero tech from that prototype aero gp bike to smash their racing opponents in gp ?".
The answer is simple yet complex, the pros & cons of aero tech reliant set ups were easly outweighed by the pros of very good mechanical grip set ups that Honda's are rightfully known for in their bikes , a design style principle that has been in every one of their high end racing & superbikes for decades - so why bother with very complicated aero set ups when it's not needed!
And no Ducati hasn't been a real innovator of motorbike tech & design for quite a few decades now, they have been good at replicating the innovating motorbike tech & design of others who have been good at innovating but real innovation is not their style at all.
That got proven many a time since the early 1990's the most notable been of the Britten V1000 a home built & designed bike giving the full factory Ducati superbike a very good scare in performance values in the early 1990's, Rossi's time with Ducati been a complete waste of time in the development to a winning bike ( the input from a multiple world champ got wasted big time!!), Ducati superbikes been defected in WSB by bikes with less power & cc displacement - need I go on for you.?
Learn your history when it comes to so called current racing tech innovation no matter the racing discipline, cause what you think is new edge tech is actually very old tech from the first half of the 1900's been looked at again with fresh eyes & powerful computers - and that is hard fact written in the books of automotive history.
Very insightful. Can you dissect new 2022 F1 car? You can give the like of ChainBear, Driver61, and other a run for their money.
Amazing thing about motorbikes is how you can feel these things a lot more than in a car.
I remember adding a winglet to my bike and it immediately felt a lot more planted in corners. In a car I had to "squint" to notice a difference.
I really do wonder if any of the manufacturers have taken any notes from the V1000 Britten. Some what a very areo dynamic bike for a guy in his back shed in Christchurch New Zealand in the 90's
Really great video thanks a lot! We have to hope that the quality of racing isn't gradually harmed by more and more aero as it has been in Formula 1
WOW - Great information always and thank you
MotoGP bikes really are just incredible machines.
Thank you for this very interesting. Why is it that Yamaha still use theIL4 then?
Fascinating !! Even MotoGP bikes are painfully slow in corners compared to their 4-wheeled counterparts. It will be interesting to see if these engineering efforts will be able to close the gap …
It would be real nice for the snooty race broadcasters to shed more light on the bikes such as this great information.
We want more analysis on this sport! And maybe this will become your appealing feature as for now, there is little channel that discuss this thing deeply
Hi, amazing video! Thanks!
There is one thing explained I struggle with though: the lower the CoG of a bike the higher the angle in a given corner. From a physics point of view I get why, but if it is the case why do riders lean into the corner thus lowering even more the CoG instead of doing the exact opposite ? I know they do that (stay straight) in some type of oval motorbike racing. Why the discrepancy?
Goddammit! You are infuriating! I can't complain about your video! None, so far! ... ::)
Seriously, this is terrific. I learn more in you video than in a season of MotoGP videos by all the others. Same with your F1 videos. Fantastic work. No bullshit, informative, to the point. Everyone else is playing tool presentations. Thanks for your great work!
Wow thank you very much and I'm glad it helped!
Could you please do more MotoGP stuff please, this is sick !
so glad you're doing this but doing something in the vein of how you covered the 2022 f1 cars would be cool in an aero sense, of course the development of the bikes isn't as consistent as f1 cars but it would be cool nether the less
I will keep an eye on that
@@BSport320 great to hear mate!
Nice work. Thank you. would be nice if you also do a vid about the new ride height devices and how they affect the aero.
Y'know, the first time I ever saw wings on a Ducati I thought they looked atrocious. Funny how much I love them now. You can't deny they work and it's amazing how fast they're evolving.
So if been remaking my drag bike in this style and hopefully in the next year I can get it out to show. I found a really good way to fix the airflow around the riders back and it helps keep the front wheel down. Wouldn't help motogp much as the side load would be too much under corners but maybe they can use a smaller version
I can't wait for the MotoGP Amazon doc hey, the sport really deserves more fans, it's just as entertaining and deep as, if not more than formula 1
Motogp viewership numbers are way higher than F1 mate.
What will be different between an motogp and electricity race bike. I am confused in my opinion because in bike I love the guess of wind instead of the iconic "varum".
Here we go! This is where I want things to go in gp. I always wondered when this kinda thing would come to the world of bikes, and here it is. I hope they keep their hands off the rules for a while and give us a good half a decade of some real wild west type shit.
Great content !
sorry to point out but the cog on motorcycle cornering youve got it the other way round. the big bang firing order's effect on tyres too is actually based on crankshaft rotational vibrations caused by the inherent design of a piston connecting rod engine while a vee engine balances it out. check out explainations on yamaha's cross plane crank where an in line engine thinks it is a vee
COG position is a compromise for every manufacturer, some prefer a lower COG so their customers can handle bikes more easily. But in racing you prefer a higher COG and solve the resulting problems as described in this video.
As the name says and shown here, big bang engines bring two ignitions closer together for a big bang and a longer break until the next ignition, which allows more controllable drifts and easier handling on the edge.
Wow, great video you have here
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That lower wings can be used tô reduce the water for rear wheel "driing the patch"
Thank you for this!
I didn't know they allowed so much aero in motogp. I don't like it. But one thing is certain, ridability wins over everything else, every time.
Motogp bikes are so violent and powerful, they must make very big compromises on performance to begin with. There are far faster and superior basic layouts but they lack the feedback and confidence and thus end up being slower when actually ridden on the limit. I am not sure if aero could change that and ultimately change the basic layout as well. But I find it hard to believe aero would improve confidence and maybe one day when everyone runs complicated aero package on bike, someone suddenly realizes they can go faster with less intrusive and more neutral aero instead.
Also for example adding wings to the from to counter wheelie does not make the bike faster unless you also move the COG higher to allow more weight transfer or otherwise add weight to the rear. Lower COG generally makes the bike slower so higher COG with wings is good.
front wings will increase acceleration out of corners rather than top speed as the anti-wheelie system will cut the power when it senses too much wheel lift which means less acceleration.
Now the Gp bikes have "shape-shifters", basically a mechanical ride height altering device which will lower and raise the front and rear according to the situation. Once the hard acceleration phase is over after exiting the corner the rider can drop the rear which brings the front up and makes the front wing less effective and hence reducing drag and increasing top-speed. As soon as the rider engages the front brakes the rear lifts back up and makes the front wing more effective and increasing downforce during braking phase to push the fr tyre down and increase stability and brake pressure.
During a race start they drop both front and rear which reduces COG reducing wheelies, this also brings the front wing to the correct AOA and increasing front downforce and further reducing wheelies. Also, lowering the ride height makes the bike longer which reduces wheelie even further but a longer bike is also more stable than a shorter one which will also reduce side-side wobbles under heavy acceleration. Phew! 😅
@@girishs1755 Ah, it seems they have figured a way to tap to low speed compression. I think it should be banned because such "active" devices will quickly lead to a bike which is unridable without them. Or in case the rider has a small mishap barely hanging on and ends badly just because the bike was out of balance because he could not operate some levers the right way.
And yes of course by faster I mean quicker out of the corners. A motorcyle without significant aero or active suspension devices is a beautiful and incredibly well balanced compromise. It would be a shame to see it go for these.
awesome video dude
Glad you enjoyed it
Can you explain please why if you have a combined higher CoG on a bike you have to lean less, i know that the opposite applies that's why modern racers hang off so that to remove the CoG lower & lean less
Very informative
This video is great, pretty much explains all of the aero features of a motogp bike, but what i still am not 100% sure i agree with is the downwashing wings,
why would they act as diffuser strakes?, i dont think with the design, it wouldn't be anything to keep the tyre squirt away from the side body. And i dont think maximising downforce on that particular area of the bike was not ducati's main goal because it wouldn't be beneficial (and that's why other teams dont copy them).
Personally, i always thought they help in aiding the cooling of the rear tyre because ducatis are known for their power and thus need more cooling of the tyre. Although i don't have CFD data, i honestly think that is the most logical use of the downwashing wings.
Motorised wings would be the next up grade in my book.......
phenominal video i subscribed because of it
Thank you and welcome!
I noticed many of the MotoGP riders hang their inside leg quite far off the bike during hard braking, could the be for extra drag to help with deceleration?
It's a result of the current improvements of the bikes. The effects are minimal but every little helps in MotoGP:
Brake forces are so high that the foot tends to slip off the peg.
- The lower hanging leg reduces the COG slightly which gives more brake stability.
- The driver moves slightly back, which brings more weight to the back.
- It shifts a little more weight onto the outboard foot peg.
Aerodynamically it:
- increases drag
- enlarges the wake
- pulls the drivers body a bit further back, which releases stress from his arms
@@BSport320 Excellent response, cheers
The drag of these can’t be too bad. While F1 cars always stall out and hit a brick wall around 190, MotoGP just continues to accelerate like a rocket up until the braking point. They accelerate from 200-240 the way most sports cars accelerate from 20-60.
I'm confused. Wouldn't the engine torque rotating clockwise, towards the back wheel, increase the lift on the front wheel, not the other way around?
You actually have to think about the reaction force, not the torque itself.
Do you think there will be similar problems in motogp like in f1 recently, where they can't really follow each other with all these aero elements?
The wake of a bike is much easier to avoid, they simply produce much smaller waves . Also the body of the bike is much less wind effective. These attachments give far less relative downforce so their movements in the wind are less affecting of other bikes. F1 has massive body area in comparison which is why they now care about the Wake that each car makes …
Yes B Sport at it aggain!
What about hole shot device?
I wonder if the riders can sense the effects of all these additions.. and how much force is generated by each element.. my 916 is fine for the road as it is!
very good
As a mechincal engineer and a longtime fan of both F1 and MotoGP,I am pleased that aerodynamica are now a large part of a Moto GP bikes performance.Until Ducati pioneered the front wings a few seasons ago in the premier class,the aerdynamic concerns of the teams were contained to slim streaming and maintaining an efficient tuck.no that the teams and the riders realize the impact that downforce has on the overall handling of the bike along with generating a fast laptime.I am also quite interested and pleased with the introduction of active ride-height along with holeshot devices for the front and rear suspension.The mechanical and aerodynamic advancement in MotoGP will only get better.
Aprilia looks to have went all in on Aero this season
My only lack of understanding is how the downforce focuses on the tyre and doesn’t just push on the lean angle
I hate the aero because of the way it diffuses the air behind it. Gone are the good old days of multiple leader swaps from towing each other
I wonder what the MotoGP bikes would look like if Adrian Newey started designing one of them.
It makes me wonder how Kenny, Freddie, Eddie, and Wayne were able to ride those 500 CC 2 strokes without all of this Gee-Whiz technology. . .
very interesting. Meanwhile the riders say, an un-aerodynamic isnt rideable ;-)
Hehe XD they're riders not drivers. That ducati appears to be very smart. Especially those side downwashing wings.
Same difference
They're delerious in trying to get around the fact that you can't have your cake and eat it too.
When I bought my Moto Guzzi LeMans III (ca 500 years ago) the bike would nod to one side when opening the throttle / reving the engine in neutral ;-) first time I almost fell over cause I didn’t expect it,..
Also regarding the Aero - Jesus this starts to go as crazy as F1 aero… which is logical but not something that makes it great for the viewers…
Motorcycle racing is so much better than car racing.
Brilliant video. However, we call them riders not drivers 😉
I’m a Luddite as far as aero on bikes is concerned. I’d rather they were just bikes not the bike version of F1. But I’m a dinosaur and know it’s obvious this is here to stay. It’s like the 70s in F1.
You really believed Ducati about the rear wheel cooling. Lmao
So F1 engines are so precision made, that they must be heated up before they can be started.
Are MotoGP engines the same?
Suck an underrated video
unnecessary expense only the team purse matters , it can mask riders ability, this and other innovations such as throttle and engine brake mapping that has to be set up corner for corner. is it at all necessary, speedway has just one rider and mechanic and it still thrills, a good club race is no less exciting without the bells and whistles
It is amazing but I dont like all those wings and stuff. I like it old skool.
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It is a shame that the Moto GP title was decided by Martin ridding in dirty air and loosing Aero performance . In my opinion that is not Moto GP
I think this new big aero stuff is not in the spirit of motorcycles.
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