I hope this will be the first of many more forgotten Marvel villains (love that you've expanded your horizons on the subject) As for the villain himself, Yeah, You're pretty much right on the money here. Death Stalker boasts a cool design and powers but man was he let down by the writing. Hope you cover some more Daredevil villains in the future, He's one of my favorite marvel characters.
"The explanations completely kill the character's appeal for me. If they had to give an origin, they should have kept it vague, and in the supernatural realm." This is my first time hearing about this villain, which...honestly I feel ashamed to admit, because, for the most part, this guy sounds like my cup of tea. I mean, he looks live an evil version of The Shadow (as you say), and has a "death touch" - a type of power I actually have a fancy for. The name "Death-Stalker" is one I actually like, too. Like you, the concept is really fun, and even if the motivations seem a bit flimsy (again, just basing this on what you say), he still seems like an interesting, dark, macabre character...and that's just my sort of bad guy. With that said...I'm tempted to agree with the quote above, and honestly, I get the feeling that MAYBE that's why he's forgotten. Look at the timeline you established here: he's a major recurring foe for years, and it's only AFTER they reveal his convoluted origin and kill him off that he goes missing for decades. I can imagine fans getting into this character in the 70s, finding out who he really was, and going "OH, COME ON!!!" It's like they shot themselves in the foot with that one. Ah, well. I have to admit, even with that said, I really wouldn't mind this guy popping up again, if they changed things around a bit. Actually, I think I'm going to look up this ghoulish goon's stories ASAP; I'm that curious about him. This is probably one of the most interesting forgotten rogues I've seen you cover yet, if only because he appeals instantly to my sense of style and taste. So...thumbs-up for that! :D Keep the videos coming, Mr. Rogues! We're loving every minute of 'em! ;)
Yes, he very much appeals to my sense of style and taste as well. He could've been one of the greatest DD villains.. it's sad.. Anyway, I think you'll find his 70s tales enjoyable enough, if you're prepared for a villain with vague and boring motivations. By-the-numbers bronze age superhero stories, but with a spooky flair. The artwork is the best part about the stories (Frank Miller actually drew the final Stalky story; his first DD work, I THINK. Gene Colan was also in there somewhere, and he's just made for drawing characters like old Stalky.)
Ooh, I approve of the artists, definitely...especially Gene Colan! (Sorry, Franky-boy; your art in the 70s and 80s could be pretty good. However...no offense, mind you, but sometimes methinks ye need to see a doctor, Mr. Miller...)
I would have personally made him an assassin who does the whole "ghost" thing to strike fear into the hearts of his targets, because he has a fascination with the supernatural, and because he likes messing with people. Also to keep up the act he would never ask for money for his jobs but instead antiques that he would say hold "mystical power" which in reality he would sell on the black market as Phillip Sterling. He would also always get annoyed when people wrote him off. If you wanted to include his mother you could say she is sickly and he uses a good deal of the money to support her. As for the costume you could also say he is a fan of pulp works.
Yesss Daredevil! Really enjoying this content Rogues! Keep it up, It's a pleasure It's time u upload and I really appreciate this videos. For education but also some much needed escapism!
All right! We've got some Marvel villains in the mix. Also, if you want a Marvel villain that'll make you want to say "WTF?" then you should check out Chtylok.
Wow, yeah.. I looked him up, and yeah - how could I NOT do a video on him?? Thanks Chase! This is really good, you guys suggesting obscure villains for me - it's very helpful! After all, I'm really only an expert on Batman villains.. :P
Death-Stalker and the Exterminator should be separate characters like where Death-Stalker would instead a actually supernatural villain where he faced Ghost Rider, Dr. Strange, Daimon Helstrom, the Man-Thing and few other Marvel supernatural heroes while the Exterminator would faced Iron Man or Ant-Man where he would possibly steal one of their tech to help him powered a device or something like that.
I actually would like this villain make a return in the current stories of Marvel. They can totally make the character return with better writing compared to back then, and I like your idea to keep him on a Supernatural level to keep him a bit more mysterious, hell I'd definitely like to see him with an origin similar to Gentlemen Ghost if they decide to take away the mystery of the character. I definitely can see him being a Daredevil Rogue again but I wouldn't mind him expanding himself with other characters. Also, I agree that The Exterminator and The Death-Stalker should be different characters entirely. Perhaps maybe Philip Sterling can just stay as the identity of The Exterminator and give Death-Stalker an unknown alias.
Daredevil is awesome. I love that your doing more Marvel. You should do The Night Surgeon, or maybe just the Surgeon. She fights Daredevil and Spider-Man. I think for only one issue
I've got a few forgotten rogues for you: Brain Drain, an Invaders rogue and scientist who had his brain transplanted into a robotic body which gave him mind control powers; the Dummy, a criminal gang leader that pretends to be a ventriloquist dummy and the archenemy of the first Vigilante, and Doctor Double X, a super villain scientist that created an energy-duplicate of himself and another science fiction Batman villain that sticks out even more than the Planet Master. Also, if you plan to bring back the Underrated Rogues videos, I think you should do the Purple Man, as he's a relatively minor Marvel villain often listed on worst villains lists that somehow got a critically acclaimed performance from a highly talented actor in one of the MCU's TV shows, which I find to be interesting.
He was one of the few decent recurring foes Daredevil had before the days of Bullseye and Frank Miller. Steve Gerber probably intended for him to have some kind of supernatural origin when he was still writing the title. I feel like most of the oldschool Daredevil villains who were actually good (Mister Fear, the Purple Man) were either misused or not used enough. Gladiator seems to be the only exception to this.
A possible Rogue you may want to profile is the Ghost Rider Villain The Orb. I think he's right up your alley! Tragic character with a great motivation and origin! Have been rewatching some of your early videos! They have held up very well and I think comics fans will be watching and enjoying them for years to come!
I actually just discovered the Orb, and thought he looked awesome! Do you think he's obscure enough to count as a forgotten rogue? I mean I know very little about Ghost Rider... And thanks for saying that! I personally disagree tho, I cringe at my old videos... but then again I cringe at some of my new videos too... haha.
Mr. Rogues I would say that the Orb is fairly obscure. I would think he's on a level with Dr. Destiny from DC. I don't think he's appeared in any media outside of comics. His main period was the seventies and I think he's only fought Johnny Blaze and not the current incarnation of Ghost Rider. Also you are too hard on yourself! A lot of your profiles were brilliant! I think your video on the Shade is a great example of beautiful videography! Finally I wanted to recommend a short story I think you will like. The People in the Pit by A. Merritt. It is a horror story similar to the works of H.P. Lovecraft . It's from the early 1900's and reminds me of The Mountains of Madness. I believe this story may predate that and it may have been an influence on Lovecraft!
I appreciate you Rogues. I literally wouldn't know of this guys existence if it wasn't for you. now I feel enriched having another piece of useless trivia rattling around in my brain. I know this sounds sarcastic but I'm being genuine. really, thank you.
I'd keep the supernatural angle (heck, maybe even keep his initial Exterminator identity, I kinda like the idea of him being a failed supervillain returned as a far mroe sinister ghost) and make him a more of a mastermind character, coming up with complex schemes and manipulations all to avenge his own death at Daredevil's hands.
Out of curiosity, have you ever thought of doing a video on the Superman Antagonist. “ Manchester Black “ ? Manchester first appears in Action Comics 775, it’s Animated adaption “ Superman Vs. The Elite. “ and is the main antagonist of the Superman Storyline Ending Battle in Superman # 185-187
I do agree spook and deathstaker have similarities but unlike spook deathstaker has the weridest and confusing origin of all time and think deathstaker should have a little origin but not so much as a lame supervillain but some terrifying force of evil
Does anyone know what Bob Brown looks like? It seems impossible to track down a pic of him. It's like he's as forgotten and unknown as his character Death-Stalker.
Have you ever read "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way"? Going by the artwork, I say the Marvel Way can be boiled down to "If the character's feet are less than four feet apart at any point, it ain't Marvel!" The Exterminator seems to have taken this lesson to heart, and cranked it up to eleven.
Honestly I don’t mind this guy’s convoluted origin, it’s perfectly comic booky and i love it. if I had to rewrite him however I get rid of the exterminator part, and instead make him scientist,Who is trying to create a time displacement device for the military, only for the device to blow up in his face and giving him his powers, while also driving him crazy. Plus I love his design it’s so film noir.
Thanks, yes, I can remember Deathstalker, I actually had those Daredevil issues 113 to 115 when I was a kid back then, Deathstalker had an encounter with Man-Thing at one point in that story, this was after the Gladiator tried to tackle him and failed, so he called on his boss Deathstalker to help him, I can remember what Deathstalker said almost word for word even though I don't have the mags anymore, they faced each other and Deathstalker said "you hesitate monster, why?....can it be that you sense the power I hold?...can it be that you know instinctively that my touch is the touch of death?", Deathstalker then struck him and Man-Thing fell after a short while, of course, Man-Thing was never really a living creature, he was a type of zombie so he only stays 'dead' for a while and then kind of rejuvenates lol.
This character reminds me of a real serial killer named H.H. Holmes what with the crazy mansion. A quick explanation: H.H. Homles had an elborative hotel that was designed to kill people. With long hallways that seem to go on forever. Doors that open to walls and the very same walls are coated in Asbestos to prevent sound from escaping the hotel. If this character ever made a come back I would love to see him go somewhere along that route. A man who can create intense traps for any superhero.
I wonder if Deathstalker was inspired by the title character from the 1959 movie 4d Man. Both are able to pass through solid matter and have a deadly touch.
I always liked the seventies Daredevil versus Deathstalker stories. I agree with you on this. He deserves to be a stand alone. Rogue with a supernatural origin not linked to some lame one shot villain. I think Death Stalker could have been a great mystic villain like Despayre or Nightmare! A missed opportunity!
I looked into this guy back in March and honestly I think he has potential - you just need to shift things around a bit. Personally, what I would do is remove the Exterminator as a villain, and instead have him work as an actual exterminator - an attempt to be his own person, rather than just another rich kid relying on his parents' money - who seemingly dies during a battle between Daredevil and Man-Bull within the first year of the hero's career, but in actuality his spirit's loosely clinging on, leaving Phillip cursed to walk the Earth, fading in-and-out of existence, gradually driving him insane as he sees his beloved mother grieve for him and eventually pass away herself. By the time he learns how to stabilise his spirit, his family has died out and the hero that "killed" him has gone on to be praised by the civilians and other heroes, while all he saw in Daredevil was a man who keeps letting innocent people die, and he was determined to the show the entire world that he was right. In terms of his personality, I'd imagine him to be someone who has had an obsession with Death ever since his exterminator days, constantly questioning ethics, morality and mortality. He'd have a bad temper matched with a sharp, highly cynical sense of humour and a sophisticated dialect matched with a dry, raspy, hollow voice. Beyond Daredevil, he'd be fascinated by Iron Man, and if he had a secondary adversary it would be him, as he envies Stark for being able to pull out from the stranglehold of Death herself with his technological skills (he might try to use tech to try to stabilise himself a few times before he learned how to do it himself). He'd have that unearthly, sinister and supernatural presence like he has here, and would know exactly how to weaponize his curse against Daredevil. His power-set's roughly the same; Invisibility, Intangibility, a Fetal Touch, Walking-through-Walls, Hovering, Levitation and the ability to access Hell, though this would drain him significantly due to his limited connections to it. He's also skilled at Intimidation and has a unsophisticated yet effective fighting style mostly involving rapid-fire phasing and sudden punches. He enjoys seeing the man who he blames for his curse get frustrated with every missed punch or kick, and would keep on doing it until Matt's heart stopped if it didn't exhaust him after too many uses. His costume is exactly the same, as that's what caught my attention to him in the first place. It's kinda like the Phantom Stranger, who is always awesome, and what's the point of changing an already good thing? If it really needs explaining, you could just say that it was the outfit he wore on the day he "died", and he's been stuck with it ever since. That's all I've got. I think that this version of Death-Stalker could be a neat and somewhat unique member of Matt's Rogues Gallery, as well as a genuine challenge for Daredevil.
Here are some obscure villains I can remember. Though to make it fair, I'll say 5 villains per DC & Marvel for this thread: DC: Riot (Superman), Lion-Mane (Hawkman), Sonar (Green Lantern), Bloodsport (Superman) & Ruin (Superman). Marvel: Mindworm (Spider-Man), Tyrannus (Incredible Hulk) Grizzly (Spider-Man), Firebrand (Iron Man) & Flag-Smasher (Captain America)
Hehehe Funny you should that. I did think of the Prankster. But I thought he was sort of remembered, since he is Superman's own Joker & Trickster. Still thanks for the mention, any review on the Prankster character is always welcome, same can said about Superman's other more earth-born adversaries like Conduit, Silver Banshee, TAS's own Luminus to name a few.
How was his origin confusing? The way you were explaining it makes sense to me and seems rather easy to follow. Maybe it’s just because not a lot of western media deals with time shenanigans in terms of origin stories? I’m gonna have to disagree on this vid tbh. I actually like the premise here. An old villain that was thought to be dead was actually just teleported to a dimension beyond space-time, gains the ability to enter and exit that dimension at will, comes back and gets gloves that can kill with a TOUCH. That sounds awesome! I know I’d want gloves like that. Those sound like amazing villain tools. He’s like a Scooby Doo, Anime, and Western Comic all rolled into one. So many things about him seem right up my alley, powers and atmosphere wise. Then again I don’t know the writing or anything from the comics mentioned so I don’t know if he was written well or not. You never quite comment on them in those lights. Like how they’re written and stuff. Idk how to end this lil comment of mine so I’mma just end it here. XP. Later dood.
I like the idea behind the Death-Stalker then the actual execution. In the hands of better writers he may have had a chance.. hell could have gone on to become one of Daredevil's greatest rogues.
One question : Who is the Alien Daredevil and Death Stalker Fought.on issue128? I think they never solved that plot point. Great video I love Daredevil ; I would suggest Bullet or Bushwacker if you cover more DD villains.
3:38 Super villains and their evil mothers eh? Some horror villains have utter loons or evil bitches for mothers as well like Jason's mother Pamela Voorhees, Norman Bates's mother Norma who was evil and abusive in the Psycho films. The Bates Motel version of her was a better mother though. She was overprotective and controlling but only to try to stop Norman hurting himself and others. One of the creepiest was Carrie's mother Margaret White.
The only problem I have with Death-stalker and the Exterminator is that they have nothing to do with eachother apart from the origin. I would have liked the death touch to send its victims to random moments in the past rather than killing them, his vanishing ability could have been fast time traveling and it would have worked well enough to link both villains. Also, he could have been a bigger villain if he became a time distorter instead of a ghost.
Daredevil 208 would have been way less dramatic, but tragically hilarious if instead of DD, that death house was bought and entered by some random house flipper.
Right. I have that Comic but only read it once so I couldn’t remember. I ordered that Captain America/Daredevil one shot. I didn’t even know existed and Im a huge fan of Death Stalker
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Yeah.. i think what ruined the death stalker is his origin. he is one of those villains who dont need a origin. If they have not gave him a backstory that would have helped to make the character scarier.
You should do a video in which horror villains would make great Batman rouges Jason Voorhees - unlike Batman, after witnessing the death of his mother , Jason rather than saving , took out his rage in a killing spree. He is every bit as strong and as legendary as the bat himself Freddy Kruger - the evil pedophilic monster , who haunts the dreams of children and teenagers. Similar to the scarecrow , Freddy is a sadist and love provoking fear , and he would stop at nothing to get to the man who is “ fear himself “ the Batman Michael Myers - the perfect Arkham patient . Quiet, patient and pure evil. Seemingly supernatural , no one can stop him Leatherface- similar to Batman, leatherface is a man of many faces as well, he just prefers his fresh. Leatherface kills because he is afraid of loosing the one thing he has left , his family
So the Death-Stalker turned out to be the Exterminator? Kind of the bad guy equivalent of the Vision being revealed as the original Human Torch rebuilt...
I’m with you, I want to say I like him, but the complex backstory takes away from it a bit. If he came back though, should he stay a Daredevil villain? I mean he has reason for fighting him, he started in his book, lord knows DD needs more villains, but I can’t help but feel he may get a better deal in someone else’s book
kind of glad marvel forgotten death stalker. His issues were good and with marvel now they'll just end up ruining him since marvel can't do horror or anything anymore.
Here's the deal you did Batman's first villain Doctor Death; Why not on Forgotten Super Villains do other heroes' first rouges? Surely not all of them have stood the test of time?
Honestly I think Daredevil has one of the weakest rogues galleries of all time. A majority of them look ridiculous, many of them are listed in top 10's involving the worst Marvel villains, as well as comic book villains in general, and his arch-nemesis (The Owl) was so lackluster that he had to loan one off from Spider-Man (The Kingpin).
Sorry Tay, but I haven't read that many Daredevil comics, so I'm just going by how it looks. Really I've never been a Daredevil fan, I find his origin and abilities confusing, I keep forgetting that he's blind, and like I said, with a few exceptions, most of his enemies aren't that good (he fights a guy called Stilt Man and a matador for God sake.)
"He never lived up to it and then he died."
I don't know why but I found that funny.
I hope this will be the first of many more forgotten Marvel villains (love that you've expanded your horizons on the subject)
As for the villain himself, Yeah, You're pretty much right on the money here. Death Stalker boasts a cool design and powers but man was he let down by the writing. Hope you cover some more Daredevil villains in the future, He's one of my favorite marvel characters.
Death stalker should be on the Netflix daredevil show
Yeah, Stephen, it would've been cool to see a reimagined Death-Stalker on the show - preferably with a similar design to the comics.
Great job! Deathstalker is a villain with much potential.
"The explanations completely kill the character's appeal for me. If they had to give an origin, they should have kept it vague, and in the supernatural realm."
This is my first time hearing about this villain, which...honestly I feel ashamed to admit, because, for the most part, this guy sounds like my cup of tea. I mean, he looks live an evil version of The Shadow (as you say), and has a "death touch" - a type of power I actually have a fancy for. The name "Death-Stalker" is one I actually like, too. Like you, the concept is really fun, and even if the motivations seem a bit flimsy (again, just basing this on what you say), he still seems like an interesting, dark, macabre character...and that's just my sort of bad guy.
With that said...I'm tempted to agree with the quote above, and honestly, I get the feeling that MAYBE that's why he's forgotten. Look at the timeline you established here: he's a major recurring foe for years, and it's only AFTER they reveal his convoluted origin and kill him off that he goes missing for decades. I can imagine fans getting into this character in the 70s, finding out who he really was, and going "OH, COME ON!!!" It's like they shot themselves in the foot with that one.
Ah, well. I have to admit, even with that said, I really wouldn't mind this guy popping up again, if they changed things around a bit. Actually, I think I'm going to look up this ghoulish goon's stories ASAP; I'm that curious about him. This is probably one of the most interesting forgotten rogues I've seen you cover yet, if only because he appeals instantly to my sense of style and taste. So...thumbs-up for that! :D
Keep the videos coming, Mr. Rogues! We're loving every minute of 'em! ;)
Yes, he very much appeals to my sense of style and taste as well. He could've been one of the greatest DD villains.. it's sad.. Anyway, I think you'll find his 70s tales enjoyable enough, if you're prepared for a villain with vague and boring motivations. By-the-numbers bronze age superhero stories, but with a spooky flair. The artwork is the best part about the stories (Frank Miller actually drew the final Stalky story; his first DD work, I THINK. Gene Colan was also in there somewhere, and he's just made for drawing characters like old Stalky.)
Ooh, I approve of the artists, definitely...especially Gene Colan! (Sorry, Franky-boy; your art in the 70s and 80s could be pretty good. However...no offense, mind you, but sometimes methinks ye need to see a doctor, Mr. Miller...)
Dude I totally agree with you and this is also my first video from this channel
I would have personally made him an assassin who does the whole "ghost" thing to strike fear into the hearts of his targets, because he has a fascination with the supernatural, and because he likes messing with people. Also to keep up the act he would never ask for money for his jobs but instead antiques that he would say hold "mystical power" which in reality he would sell on the black market as Phillip Sterling. He would also always get annoyed when people wrote him off. If you wanted to include his mother you could say she is sickly and he uses a good deal of the money to support her. As for the costume you could also say he is a fan of pulp works.
Yesss Daredevil!
Really enjoying this content Rogues! Keep it up, It's a pleasure It's time u upload and I really appreciate this videos. For education but also some much needed escapism!
All right! We've got some Marvel villains in the mix. Also, if you want a Marvel villain that'll make you want to say "WTF?" then you should check out Chtylok.
Wow, yeah.. I looked him up, and yeah - how could I NOT do a video on him?? Thanks Chase! This is really good, you guys suggesting obscure villains for me - it's very helpful! After all, I'm really only an expert on Batman villains.. :P
Great work! So happy to see you branching out more.
Thanks!
Mr. Rogues I know this character is pretty out of your usual, but would you ever make a video discussing Moon Knight?
Death-Stalker and the Exterminator should be separate characters like where Death-Stalker would instead a actually supernatural villain where he faced Ghost Rider, Dr. Strange, Daimon Helstrom, the Man-Thing and few other Marvel supernatural heroes while the Exterminator would faced Iron Man or Ant-Man where he would possibly steal one of their tech to help him powered a device or something like that.
I actually would like this villain make a return in the current stories of Marvel. They can totally make the character return with better writing compared to back then, and I like your idea to keep him on a Supernatural level to keep him a bit more mysterious, hell I'd definitely like to see him with an origin similar to Gentlemen Ghost if they decide to take away the mystery of the character. I definitely can see him being a Daredevil Rogue again but I wouldn't mind him expanding himself with other characters. Also, I agree that The Exterminator and The Death-Stalker should be different characters entirely. Perhaps maybe Philip Sterling can just stay as the identity of The Exterminator and give Death-Stalker an unknown alias.
Daredevil is awesome. I love that your doing more Marvel. You should do The Night Surgeon, or maybe just the Surgeon. She fights Daredevil and Spider-Man. I think for only one issue
It is a 2-parter
Surgeon General
I think he should do vapora
I've got a few forgotten rogues for you: Brain Drain, an Invaders rogue and scientist who had his brain transplanted into a robotic body which gave him mind control powers; the Dummy, a criminal gang leader that pretends to be a ventriloquist dummy and the archenemy of the first Vigilante, and Doctor Double X, a super villain scientist that created an energy-duplicate of himself and another science fiction Batman villain that sticks out even more than the Planet Master.
Also, if you plan to bring back the Underrated Rogues videos, I think you should do the Purple Man, as he's a relatively minor Marvel villain often listed on worst villains lists that somehow got a critically acclaimed performance from a highly talented actor in one of the MCU's TV shows, which I find to be interesting.
This was awesome! Thanks! Always loved Death-Stalker. Old DD has a lot of cool villains.
I guess you could say Phillip's fate was set in stone and he suffered grave consequences.
He was one of the few decent recurring foes Daredevil had before the days of Bullseye and Frank Miller. Steve Gerber probably intended for him to have some kind of supernatural origin when he was still writing the title. I feel like most of the oldschool Daredevil villains who were actually good (Mister Fear, the Purple Man) were either misused or not used enough. Gladiator seems to be the only exception to this.
A unique start to a possible series of marvel videos, Rogues. You should do a video on the one-shot Punisher villain Finn Cooley.
A possible Rogue you may want to profile is the Ghost Rider Villain The Orb. I think he's right up your alley! Tragic character with a great motivation and origin! Have been rewatching some of your early videos! They have held up very well and I think comics fans will be watching and enjoying them for years to come!
I actually just discovered the Orb, and thought he looked awesome! Do you think he's obscure enough to count as a forgotten rogue? I mean I know very little about Ghost Rider...
And thanks for saying that! I personally disagree tho, I cringe at my old videos... but then again I cringe at some of my new videos too... haha.
Mr. Rogues I would say that the Orb is fairly obscure. I would think he's on a level with Dr. Destiny from DC. I don't think he's appeared in any media outside of comics. His main period was the seventies and I think he's only fought Johnny Blaze and not the current incarnation of Ghost Rider. Also you are too hard on yourself! A lot of your profiles were brilliant! I think your video on the Shade is a great example of beautiful videography! Finally I wanted to recommend a short story I think you will like. The People in the Pit by A. Merritt. It is a horror story similar to the works of H.P. Lovecraft . It's from the early 1900's and reminds me of The Mountains of Madness. I believe this story may predate that and it may have been an influence on Lovecraft!
I appreciate you Rogues. I literally wouldn't know of this guys existence if it wasn't for you. now I feel enriched having another piece of useless trivia rattling around in my brain.
I know this sounds sarcastic but I'm being genuine. really, thank you.
When did "get rid of anything super natural" get bland in the comics? When were ghosts allowed to be ghosts again? Or are we back in that phase?
I'd keep the supernatural angle (heck, maybe even keep his initial Exterminator identity, I kinda like the idea of him being a failed supervillain returned as a far mroe sinister ghost) and make him a more of a mastermind character, coming up with complex schemes and manipulations all to avenge his own death at Daredevil's hands.
Nice Video! Can you do a video for the Batman villain called Harpy?
I absolutely love your content please keep it coming on the regular homie
Out of curiosity, have you ever thought of doing a video on the Superman Antagonist. “ Manchester Black “ ? Manchester first appears in Action Comics 775, it’s Animated adaption “ Superman Vs. The Elite. “ and is the main antagonist of the Superman Storyline Ending Battle in Superman # 185-187
Can you do a video on The Shredder (TMNT) ?
Interesting idea
0:40 - Death stalker's stories
5:10 - Rogue's opinion
I do agree spook and deathstaker have similarities but unlike spook deathstaker has the weridest and confusing origin of all time and think deathstaker should have a little origin but not so much as a lame supervillain but some terrifying force of evil
Agreed.
Does anyone know what Bob Brown looks like? It seems impossible to track down a pic of him. It's like he's as forgotten and unknown as his character Death-Stalker.
I love how you said " and then he died" at the end of the episode. I don't know why but it cracked me up!
Have you ever read "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way"? Going by the artwork, I say the Marvel Way can be boiled down to "If the character's feet are less than four feet apart at any point, it ain't Marvel!" The Exterminator seems to have taken this lesson to heart, and cranked it up to eleven.
Just watched the Deathstalker movies. Man, they took a LOT of liberties with the source material!
Honestly I don’t mind this guy’s convoluted origin, it’s perfectly comic booky and i love it. if I had to rewrite him however I get rid of the exterminator part, and instead make him scientist,Who is trying to create a time displacement device for the military, only for the device to blow up in his face and giving him his powers, while also driving him crazy. Plus I love his design it’s so film noir.
Thanks, yes, I can remember Deathstalker, I actually had those Daredevil issues 113 to 115 when I was a kid back then, Deathstalker had an encounter with Man-Thing at one point in that story, this was after the Gladiator tried to tackle him and failed, so he called on his boss Deathstalker to help him, I can remember what Deathstalker said almost word for word even though I don't have the mags anymore, they faced each other and Deathstalker said "you hesitate monster, why?....can it be that you sense the power I hold?...can it be that you know instinctively that my touch is the touch of death?", Deathstalker then struck him and Man-Thing fell after a short while, of course, Man-Thing was never really a living creature, he was a type of zombie so he only stays 'dead' for a while and then kind of rejuvenates lol.
Woah I know you were expanding but I don't know that you were expanding from Comic Book Companies
I sure am! Can't get stuck in DC - even though it is the best ;)
@Mr.Rogues: Can you do a forgotten super villains video on the Black Panther villain Baron Macabre?
And can you also do one on the Luke Cage villain Chemistro as well, if possible?
Perhaps!
This character reminds me of a real serial killer named H.H. Holmes what with the crazy mansion. A quick explanation: H.H. Homles had an elborative hotel that was designed to kill people. With long hallways that seem to go on forever. Doors that open to walls and the very same walls are coated in Asbestos to prevent sound from escaping the hotel. If this character ever made a come back I would love to see him go somewhere along that route. A man who can create intense traps for any superhero.
Also, do you like Gladiator? I love him!
The Real Super Sam I hope he will be in season 3
I wonder if Deathstalker was inspired by the title character from the 1959 movie 4d Man. Both are able to pass through solid matter and have a deadly touch.
Hey gotham/mr rouges do you think you can do a review on a batman parody called bat thumb?
I always liked the seventies Daredevil versus Deathstalker stories. I agree with you on this. He deserves to be a stand alone. Rogue with a supernatural origin not linked to some lame one shot villain. I think Death Stalker could have been a great mystic villain like Despayre or Nightmare! A missed opportunity!
I looked into this guy back in March and honestly I think he has potential - you just need to shift things around a bit.
Personally, what I would do is remove the Exterminator as a villain, and instead have him work as an actual exterminator - an attempt to be his own person, rather than just another rich kid relying on his parents' money - who seemingly dies during a battle between Daredevil and Man-Bull within the first year of the hero's career, but in actuality his spirit's loosely clinging on, leaving Phillip cursed to walk the Earth, fading in-and-out of existence, gradually driving him insane as he sees his beloved mother grieve for him and eventually pass away herself. By the time he learns how to stabilise his spirit, his family has died out and the hero that "killed" him has gone on to be praised by the civilians and other heroes, while all he saw in Daredevil was a man who keeps letting innocent people die, and he was determined to the show the entire world that he was right.
In terms of his personality, I'd imagine him to be someone who has had an obsession with Death ever since his exterminator days, constantly questioning ethics, morality and mortality. He'd have a bad temper matched with a sharp, highly cynical sense of humour and a sophisticated dialect matched with a dry, raspy, hollow voice. Beyond Daredevil, he'd be fascinated by Iron Man, and if he had a secondary adversary it would be him, as he envies Stark for being able to pull out from the stranglehold of Death herself with his technological skills (he might try to use tech to try to stabilise himself a few times before he learned how to do it himself). He'd have that unearthly, sinister and supernatural presence like he has here, and would know exactly how to weaponize his curse against Daredevil.
His power-set's roughly the same; Invisibility, Intangibility, a Fetal Touch, Walking-through-Walls, Hovering, Levitation and the ability to access Hell, though this would drain him significantly due to his limited connections to it. He's also skilled at Intimidation and has a unsophisticated yet effective fighting style mostly involving rapid-fire phasing and sudden punches. He enjoys seeing the man who he blames for his curse get frustrated with every missed punch or kick, and would keep on doing it until Matt's heart stopped if it didn't exhaust him after too many uses.
His costume is exactly the same, as that's what caught my attention to him in the first place. It's kinda like the Phantom Stranger, who is always awesome, and what's the point of changing an already good thing? If it really needs explaining, you could just say that it was the outfit he wore on the day he "died", and he's been stuck with it ever since.
That's all I've got. I think that this version of Death-Stalker could be a neat and somewhat unique member of Matt's Rogues Gallery, as well as a genuine challenge for Daredevil.
An interesting pair of forgotten villains is Null and Void. I only know of them appearing once, in an old 80s era World's Finest.
The Superboy/Superman villain Yellow Peri might be worth covering for a Forgotten Villians video?
Richard Schneider what about the prankster?
Here are some obscure villains I can remember. Though to make it fair, I'll say 5 villains per DC & Marvel for this thread:
DC: Riot (Superman), Lion-Mane (Hawkman), Sonar (Green Lantern), Bloodsport (Superman) & Ruin (Superman).
Marvel: Mindworm (Spider-Man), Tyrannus (Incredible Hulk) Grizzly (Spider-Man), Firebrand (Iron Man) & Flag-Smasher (Captain America)
Chris Haddock how about the prankster from Superman?
Hehehe Funny you should that. I did think of the Prankster. But I thought he was sort of remembered, since he is Superman's own Joker & Trickster. Still thanks for the mention, any review on the Prankster character is always welcome, same can said about Superman's other more earth-born adversaries like Conduit, Silver Banshee, TAS's own Luminus to name a few.
Chris Haddock well he is friends with the toyman and he hasn't been in any superman related media, so he is clearly forgotten villain!
He returned like an sequel
Even when get fucking convoluted
You should do a video aboot Daredevil foe.
A lot of them have Batman rogue flair that you will appreciate.
Rouges! Good news! It looks like The Fatal Five will be the villians in the new Justice League animated movie
How was his origin confusing? The way you were explaining it makes sense to me and seems rather easy to follow. Maybe it’s just because not a lot of western media deals with time shenanigans in terms of origin stories? I’m gonna have to disagree on this vid tbh. I actually like the premise here. An old villain that was thought to be dead was actually just teleported to a dimension beyond space-time, gains the ability to enter and exit that dimension at will, comes back and gets gloves that can kill with a TOUCH. That sounds awesome! I know I’d want gloves like that. Those sound like amazing villain tools. He’s like a Scooby Doo, Anime, and Western Comic all rolled into one. So many things about him seem right up my alley, powers and atmosphere wise. Then again I don’t know the writing or anything from the comics mentioned so I don’t know if he was written well or not. You never quite comment on them in those lights. Like how they’re written and stuff. Idk how to end this lil comment of mine so I’mma just end it here. XP. Later dood.
And werid Sterling I think I heard that name before maybe in a pervious episode hum? Maybe not
You mean Sterling Silversmith, the silver smuggler?
Matty Mills oh yeah thanks for the memories lol
I think in any other comic genre, Death-Stalker would have been iconic. But in Marvel where everyone's design so extra, he just looks passé and trite.
I find you enormously likeable, dude. Hope you get your own superhero to fight someday.
Mayhaps you can talk about the Zodiac Master from Batman.. or perhaps the Daredevil villain MATADOR.
I liked deathstalker. He gave daredevil fits throughout the 70s
Could you introduce the villain known as the charlaxes that moth monster that was killer moth reborn
Mr rouges here another forgotten superman villain the prankster.
I wouldn't say he's forgotten, more underrated.
Mr. Rogues are you going to do a video of him?
Maybe.
Mr. Rogues right
I remember that issue of Daredevil 158
If your doing more Marvel villians Dreadknight and Scourge would be great villians to do videos about
Does the mutant leader count as a forgotten villain
Death stalker would be a good batman villan
Yea, to bad his Marvel
Death Stalker is a cool rogue
Holy shit, This guy looks cool.
I like the idea behind the Death-Stalker then the actual execution. In the hands of better writers he may have had a chance.. hell could have gone on to become one of Daredevil's greatest rogues.
One question : Who is the Alien Daredevil and Death Stalker Fought.on issue128? I think they never solved that plot point. Great video I love Daredevil ; I would suggest Bullet or Bushwacker if you cover more DD villains.
I really have no clue; it's the only issue I've ever seen him in.
Mr. Rogues Yeah I read they had an upcoming story about him which was dropped. I guess he never came back. Thats a forgotten character.
Are you still doing forgotten batman villains as well?
They'll be included in this series, and will show up eventually.
Mr. Rogues oh good
3:38 Super villains and their evil mothers eh? Some horror villains have utter loons or evil bitches for mothers as well like Jason's mother Pamela Voorhees, Norman Bates's mother Norma who was evil and abusive in the Psycho films. The Bates Motel version of her was a better mother though. She was overprotective and controlling but only to try to stop Norman hurting himself and others. One of the creepiest was Carrie's mother Margaret White.
Have you ever heard of Mr Whisper from the story Batman Gothic? That's one of my favourite Batman stories.
I have yeah; it's been a while since I read that story.
He was a pretty interesting villain. And him killing the gangsters was reminiscent of Mask of the Phantasm.
You should do the Scarecrow from Marvel
Yeah, that could be really interesting! Don't know if I'd say he's forgotten though.
The only problem I have with Death-stalker and the Exterminator is that they have nothing to do with eachother apart from the origin.
I would have liked the death touch to send its victims to random moments in the past rather than killing them, his vanishing ability could have been fast time traveling and it would have worked well enough to link both villains.
Also, he could have been a bigger villain if he became a time distorter instead of a ghost.
Daredevil 208 would have been way less dramatic, but tragically hilarious if instead of DD, that death house was bought and entered by some random house flipper.
The exuctermentor seems cool
When you thought you made up your own username.
enjoyable vid
*brrr* Imagine if the Exterminator's gizmo worked like Stephen King's jaunting process?
Cover The Headmaster, a Martian Manhunter villain. He is seriously forgotten. The first version of him pretty much only appeared once
The Reaping Hopkins I have a better idea The Headmaster a school themed Batman villian who appared in two issues of Detective Comics and nothing else
Matchstick 7886 or from Deadpool 2
You got one little thing wrong. Death Stalker appeared in Captain America #439 in 1994 I believe. It was the Original but he is on the cover.
That's not him actually; it's only a shape shifter who impersonates him. The cover could fool you though!
Right. I have that Comic but only read it once so I couldn’t remember. I ordered that Captain America/Daredevil one shot. I didn’t even know existed and Im a huge fan of Death Stalker
DareDevil need more and Better Villains like a Master of Disquise.
When did you change your name?
Couple of weeks ago.
Can you Do a Video on Mysterio
That's possible, he is my favorite Spidey rogue after all ;)
The deathstaker thang is common
And played_out,. We seen that character before,. He first name
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Yeah.. i think what ruined the death stalker is his origin. he is one of those villains who dont need a origin. If they have not gave him a backstory that would have helped to make the character scarier.
You should do a video in which horror villains would make great Batman rouges
Jason Voorhees - unlike Batman, after witnessing the death of his mother , Jason rather than saving , took out his rage in a killing spree. He is every bit as strong and as legendary as the bat himself
Freddy Kruger - the evil pedophilic monster , who haunts the dreams of children and teenagers. Similar to the scarecrow , Freddy is a sadist and love provoking fear , and he would stop at nothing to get to the man who is “ fear himself “ the Batman
Michael Myers - the perfect Arkham patient . Quiet, patient and pure evil. Seemingly supernatural , no one can stop him
Leatherface- similar to Batman, leatherface is a man of many faces as well, he just prefers his fresh. Leatherface kills because he is afraid of loosing the one thing he has left , his family
Do Mr banjo forgotten Shazam villain
He looks like Mr. Dark from the first Rayman game...
Do music meister next please. 🕵️♂️
Music meister ain't forgotten
Hes underrated
So the Death-Stalker turned out to be the Exterminator? Kind of the bad guy equivalent of the Vision being revealed as the original Human Torch rebuilt...
I’m with you, I want to say I like him, but the complex backstory takes away from it a bit. If he came back though, should he stay a Daredevil villain? I mean he has reason for fighting him, he started in his book, lord knows DD needs more villains, but I can’t help but feel he may get a better deal in someone else’s book
I think he should remain a DD rogue, but what they should do is completley reimagine his backstory.
Mr. Rogues ya, I love spooky enigma rouges so he seems right up my alley....minus all the Exterminator stuff, just have him be a wraith man
kind of glad marvel forgotten death stalker. His issues were good and with marvel now they'll just end up ruining him since marvel can't do horror or anything anymore.
do weaper
this was my call of duty user name in 2008
The name alone bugs me in a few different ways. :/
Is he a dead stalker, or does he stalk death?
Mr. Rogues
He's in Marvel... He was probably both a dead stalker and Death's Stalker. Eventually Thanos will found out and hunt him down. 😹
So he's like Ant Man and the Wasp Ghost
Do, for gotten batman villain Mr roulet
You are trash
The phantom stranger v the death stalker go
Here's the deal you did Batman's first villain Doctor Death; Why not on Forgotten Super Villains do other heroes' first rouges? Surely not all of them have stood the test of time?
It's possible some might show up.
And joss weding could save the dceu
He reminds me of boba fett, cool but got ruined by the pointless taked on origin story
The female Death-Stalker looks way too much like the Question
Ye a h,. Whay happen to dare devil,.
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He's like a lamer version of Johnny Sorrow.
Plz mr rogue can you shout out me in the next vid
Honestly I think Daredevil has one of the weakest rogues galleries of all time. A majority of them look ridiculous, many of them are listed in top 10's involving the worst Marvel villains, as well as comic book villains in general, and his arch-nemesis (The Owl) was so lackluster that he had to loan one off from Spider-Man (The Kingpin).
Leading Faction I always found The Owl's snarling and cutthroat personality endearing.
Sorry Tay, but I haven't read that many Daredevil comics, so I'm just going by how it looks. Really I've never been a Daredevil fan, I find his origin and abilities confusing, I keep forgetting that he's blind, and like I said, with a few exceptions, most of his enemies aren't that good (he fights a guy called Stilt Man and a matador for God sake.)
You forgot Bullseye or Typhoid Mary original and great Daredevil enemies.
Yeah I know about them, they're the good Daredevil villains.
Leading Faction Two more for the road, Mr Fear and Bullet.