And people said I was crazy thinking that mgs2 was showing where we were heading with technology, philosophy and information control now look at things like, Facebook, Google, apple and many others it's worrying lol
This is such a great lesson, and was very enlightening while playing through it around the age of 12. The entirety of the game but its allusions to START, DARPA, and other agencies I didn't even know existed that young, particularly...This speech on deterrence I have always remembered. Isn't there another dialog in deterrence in MGS2, or 3? My memory escapes me...
+dodofro Deterrence is the main topic of Peace Walker, and 3 is basically about the USSR trying to shift the first strike advantage in their favor and thus nullify deterrence.
Natasha Romanenko in real world 1999: ""According to the military doctrine which is at the basis for NATO expansion, ... a pre-empetive nuclear strike may be undertaken IF there is sufficient threat to a regional conflict spreading to a large-scale war. In the face of all this NATO expansion, Russia might feel the need to flex their nuclear muscles... ..if only to show NATO that, even with their aging arsenal and diminished army, they are still a major power." March 2022: Russo-Ucraine war raging on with 2 mln of refugee, dense shelling and a new unchallenged crysis with both Lavrov and westerners blabbing about Nuclear pre-empetives and retaliations. OK. We ve seen that coming for a long time.
Even if the signs where there of ultranationalist faction. That still doesnt make it okay to dictate what other countries should do or not to do. I mean sure you can call it hypocritical since 9/11 and all that. And one can have discussions on that. But overall i am more in favor of, let them be type of ideology. If the government is bad then people will get the problem around the typical issues since French revolution and such.
@@Sparrows1121 do you really believe that the French revolution model still "works" (and it only sorta worked originally) in a post Internet Centralization world, where any kind of Ideology is an expendable asset for an agenda by definition through digital heterodirection of the masses?
How many Metal Gear fans are here because of what’s going on with Russia and Ukraine? Maybe hideo kojima left some predictions in his games. MGS 1 is a great masterpiece with the voice acting. Definitely Learned a little bit about nuclear weapons with this game. 😎
I'm from Ukraine. I've actually found great relief replaying whole franchise in the order of timeline (between air raid alarms). There are few comments: Mgs 2 is where its at. First bot attack / ai control - then take over a nation with military power. In mgs 5 there are NO civilians. Now you know why (either killed or driven out of their homes)
@@micindir4213lol, apparently like most Ukrainians you don’t know history at all. Most civilians were evacuated from Afghanistan when the conflict started. And in the MGSV itself, you could listen to Russians commanders briefings where they say that avoiding civilians casualties is essentially a priority and soldiers absolutely must not hurt any civilians or the said commander would “kill who did this” himself or something like that
Yep same. With the number of warheads in the world i put all my money on nuclear war happening but its just a question of who and when. Atleast we got to enjoy this masterpiece of a series before anything happened yet ! Kojima fans are def not ignorant about international affairs. I hope putin stops his 40 mile wide convoy heading into ukraine but i thought the peace talks would go well and they led to nothing.
@@theengineer9910 why should Putin stop? The game even says that NATO expansion could spark the conflict. So maybe Americans should consider withdrawing all those military bases if they don’t want the war
I mean all this political theory has been discussed and explored since the cold war. The genius here is how well he conveyed this theory and condensed into into such an amazing game. It helped spread the ideas to more people.
Natasha talks about regional conflicts between ethnic groups, religious groups, etc. increasing the risk of tactical nuke use. Here we are in late 2022 with Putin, the head of a large country, threatening tactical nukes. She was right about Russia flexing its nuclear muscles in the face of NATO, though. Amazing how we had a Cold War pause for about 20-30 years (nearly all of my 34 years) and here we are again. Did it ever really end? Maybe we were naive to think so.
She writes a novel about Shadow Moses you can read in MGS2. It has some information you might find pertinent. She doesn't show up afterwards because she's in hiding.
Unlike Mei Ling, Colonel and Naomi, Nastasha have to hide on the other side of the world in some country in order to avoid being hunt down by both the US and Russian agent. While the rest of the Shadow Moses survivor is either joined/secretly support the philantropy or joined the UN.
She probably wasn't relevant anymore since she was only called in for the "probable nuclear threat" relevant to the Shadow Moses incident as part of the nuclear emergency search team, etc etc. There probably wasn't a good way for the writers to make her relevant in any other game. I do love that voice though
Very relevant to this day. It may explain why nukes happens in countries you dont like it to happen too. If nukes was reduced or eliminated way more, most likely it wouldnt get in hands of others
(Kojima develops a game with a story about the dangers of nuclear war and nuclear proliferation) 9 year old me playing MGS in 1998: Snake go grunt, Johnny poops his pants, cool ninja robot, Metal Gear go brrrrrr
I have played and listened to the codec calls it's very matrix inspired the way Agent Smith talk's to Morpheus in the first film during the interrogation, if you wanna play around with reality give Snake posttraumatic stress disorder, confuse the player to the point were you don't know wether you're the good or bad guy. The whole codec call sequence at federal hall is like a long cut scene with no sense of interaction, what's fun about that?
Played this amazing game back in the days. Who knew of nano technology back then? This game is politically correct in many codec an cinematic content ✅
One step above? it was a story about simulating the events of shadow mosses while being imperfect and turning written laws on peaces of paper to artificial intelligent life. The A.I.'s are essentially nothing more than a class written in Javascript;) Thus only being able to work after the restrictions of their own coding. The choice you're given is Binary either die or kill Solidus T.N.D. You could say that the best way to beat MGS2 is either turning the consol off or pressing the reset button.
Seems fairly accurate to me. Though MGS1 was released in 1998 and is set in 2005. Start 3 never happened it was replaced with SORT in 2002 and New Start in 2010.
I wish she was in more MGS games why haven't we had the pleasure of her voice since. Hopefully they'll make that MGS: Philantrophy game in wich she stands in for Colonell Campell It'll be the best way for Hideo Kojima to Redeem himself for the massive sin of MGS2 and Raiden!!!
The very end is a really important note with AI If we get to the point where the Government can claim that the tools we have are indistinguishable from military and civilian applications, they can use this to undermine our rights.
Can someone explain me why I never heard this woman before ? I played as a child this game over and over and never spoke to her ? Did I miss something ?
So you would rather say that the annoying Fortune Boss fight and the sniper fight of vamp which bare's no purpose are forms of art? The first MGS1 used the change of controller ports to defeat a mind reading pshycho mantis(and if you couldn't you would unmask the 2 statues in the room) now that's clever, MGS3 followed up with The Sorrow
MGS4 is not about lazy uninspired fan service with no subtlety or depth at all - you must have been playing a different game than me. MGS2 was made during the days of Project Echelon - anybody and his dog could have known by then that everybody was being spied on all the time - you didn't need Edward Snowden to tell you that 12 years later. MGS4 is far beyond that still and show wars will be waged a couple of years from now by the Pentagon and the defense contractors.
Iraq did not have enough Uranium to build a proper one (they were "stolen" by the US during the gulf war and Operation Desert Storm.) so they tried to find an alternative in order to stand up against the west.
I understand perfectly what they were trying to achieve, with Raiden as a substitute for you as the player. However a character in a game no matter who and how welldefined, will never be the same as the person holding the controller. And it's not like i don't like philosophy i enjoy it alot, but as a gameplayer i wanne be more directly involved and you weren't in MGS2 MGS5 as far as i've heard try similar things but executed in a better way, here Big Boss can not distingguis dream from reality.
navylaks2 Typical fanboy who obviously didn't get the message of mgs2. Control of digital information... Kojima actually predicted what is going on in the world now in mgs2... :)
MGS1 had a theme and a smart one, now if a game has great story that means that it's likely to work better as a film than a game. The game medium should be interactive storytelling because it make's you the player more involved, the way The End could be taken out in MGS3 was interactive storytelling with a theme. And what made the first mgs1 so great was the 4th wall breaks allmost none of these can be seen in MGS2. Sons of liberty had alot of potential but ultimately felt unfinished and poor
![MGS 3: Eva [Codec calls]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7HRnVCQtjuo/mqdefault.jpg)
![MGS 3: Eva [Codec calls]](/img/tr.png)
And people say you can't learn anything from video games...
This is Scary
accurate
I wish Nastasha appeared in MGS4
I learned more about history and political stuff from this game than when I was in school.
ZUZAINFINITY we were supposed to learn things in school?? 😮
I learnt to speak English
i had a friend who would use qoutes from the game in school
And people said I was crazy thinking that mgs2 was showing where we were heading with technology, philosophy and information control now look at things like, Facebook, Google, apple and many others it's worrying lol
Thomas Debenham it’s kinda scary how accurate most of that stuff became
00:01-00:38 Nuclear Deterrence Theory
00:41-01:07 New Country
01:09-02:21 Cold War
02:24-03:14 TMD Systems
03:17-03:57 ABM Treaty
03:59-04:17 Economic Superpower
04:19-04:46 Major Power
04:48-05:10 Military Balance
05:11-05:45 START 3 Accord *
05:46-06:49 Russian Parliament
06:51-07:15 US and Russia
07:16-07:48 Nuclear Superiority
07:49-08:29 Chemical
08:30-09:35 Conflicts
09:36-09:59 Military Policy
10:00-10:38 21st Century
10:40-11:45 IAEA
11:47-12:43 1970
This game was fucking ahead of its time. Great lesson of my life, is a video game. Kojima the master.
It’s insane how relevant this is
This is such a great lesson, and was very enlightening while playing through it around the age of 12. The entirety of the game but its allusions to START, DARPA, and other agencies I didn't even know existed that young, particularly...This speech on deterrence I have always remembered. Isn't there another dialog in deterrence in MGS2, or 3? My memory escapes me...
+dodofro Deterrence is the main topic of Peace Walker, and 3 is basically about the USSR trying to shift the first strike advantage in their favor and thus nullify deterrence.
Natasha is a character I wish got more screentime. I always liked listening to these CODEC calls during MGS.
Natasha Romanenko in real world 1999:
""According to the military doctrine which is at the basis for NATO expansion, ... a pre-empetive nuclear strike may be undertaken IF there is sufficient threat to a regional conflict spreading to a large-scale war.
In the face of all this NATO expansion, Russia might feel the need to flex their nuclear muscles... ..if only to show NATO that, even with their aging arsenal and diminished army, they are still a major power."
March 2022: Russo-Ucraine war raging on with 2 mln of refugee, dense shelling and a new unchallenged crysis with both Lavrov and westerners blabbing about Nuclear pre-empetives and retaliations.
OK. We ve seen that coming for a long time.
Not everyone apparently. And “Putin is madman, why did he do it”. Lol, Kohima knew
Even if the signs where there of ultranationalist faction. That still doesnt make it okay to dictate what other countries should do or not to do. I mean sure you can call it hypocritical since 9/11 and all that. And one can have discussions on that. But overall i am more in favor of, let them be type of ideology. If the government is bad then people will get the problem around the typical issues since French revolution and such.
@@Sparrows1121 do you really believe that the French revolution model still "works" (and it only sorta worked originally) in a post Internet Centralization world, where any kind of Ideology is an expendable asset for an agenda by definition through digital heterodirection of the masses?
This is more relevant to today than when the game was released back in 1998
Thats how good speculative science fiction works
How many Metal Gear fans are here because of what’s going on with Russia and Ukraine? Maybe hideo kojima left some predictions in his games.
MGS 1 is a great masterpiece with the voice acting. Definitely Learned a little bit about nuclear weapons with this game. 😎
The game was ahead of it's time
I'm from Ukraine. I've actually found great relief replaying whole franchise in the order of timeline (between air raid alarms). There are few comments:
Mgs 2 is where its at. First bot attack / ai control - then take over a nation with military power.
In mgs 5 there are NO civilians. Now you know why (either killed or driven out of their homes)
@@micindir4213 by russians, even.
@@micindir4213lol, apparently like most Ukrainians you don’t know history at all. Most civilians were evacuated from Afghanistan when the conflict started. And in the MGSV itself, you could listen to Russians commanders briefings where they say that avoiding civilians casualties is essentially a priority and soldiers absolutely must not hurt any civilians or the said commander would “kill who did this” himself or something like that
Listening to this today with Russian aggression against NATO and Ukraine is mental*
Yep same. With the number of warheads in the world i put all my money on nuclear war happening but its just a question of who and when. Atleast we got to enjoy this masterpiece of a series before anything happened yet ! Kojima fans are def not ignorant about international affairs. I hope putin stops his 40 mile wide convoy heading into ukraine but i thought the peace talks would go well and they led to nothing.
@@theengineer9910 why should Putin stop? The game even says that NATO expansion could spark the conflict. So maybe Americans should consider withdrawing all those military bases if they don’t want the war
I mean all this political theory has been discussed and explored since the cold war. The genius here is how well he conveyed this theory and condensed into into such an amazing game. It helped spread the ideas to more people.
@@theengineer9910 it’s all staged
Natasha talks about regional conflicts between ethnic groups, religious groups, etc. increasing the risk of tactical nuke use. Here we are in late 2022 with Putin, the head of a large country, threatening tactical nukes. She was right about Russia flexing its nuclear muscles in the face of NATO, though.
Amazing how we had a Cold War pause for about 20-30 years (nearly all of my 34 years) and here we are again. Did it ever really end? Maybe we were naive to think so.
Strangely relevant today
Using this for studying International Relations, really accurate and significant commentary.
Scary times we live in
Only scary if you let it.
I say that MGS was more then just a game. See how the world was and is now. Hideo Kojima predicted some things of the future that is to this day.
I wish Nastasha were in MGS2 or in MGS4. She just disappeared without a trace.
She writes a novel about Shadow Moses you can read in MGS2. It has some information you might find pertinent. She doesn't show up afterwards because she's in hiding.
Unlike Mei Ling, Colonel and Naomi, Nastasha have to hide on the other side of the world in some country in order to avoid being hunt down by both the US and Russian agent.
While the rest of the Shadow Moses survivor is either joined/secretly support the philantropy or joined the UN.
She probably wasn't relevant anymore since she was only called in for the "probable nuclear threat" relevant to the Shadow Moses incident as part of the nuclear emergency search team, etc etc.
There probably wasn't a good way for the writers to make her relevant in any other game. I do love that voice though
Is happening now..
How prescient this seems today with the situation in Ukraine. I don't care if it's made up, it's totally relevant.
My uncle told me about this.
YT for some reason recommended this. I wonder why.
Thanks Kojima. I remembered this when Putin invaded Ukraine
lol me too
Wow kojima is God
If she wasnt in MGS, she would have made a kickass character in 24 or The West Wing.
Very up to date game Kojima never fails to amaze 🙌🙌🙌
needed to watch this, and start to replay mgs saga after seeing oppenheimer
lets see what happens next year...
Had to listen to this dialogue again, after learning of the attack on Crimea in Ukraine.
Yikes for current situations.
It's sad nothing has changed in almost 30 years
Very relevant to this day. It may explain why nukes happens in countries you dont like it to happen too. If nukes was reduced or eliminated way more, most likely it wouldnt get in hands of others
Did Putin watch 4:35 and think: “Yes I do”?
Literally what is happening right now in Oct. 2022
Everyone knew how Russia would react to NATO expansion, but no one did anything to try to avoid the conflict
Its insane how much this game got the eye on the ball when it comes to being right on geopolitical issues
(Kojima develops a game with a story about the dangers of nuclear war and nuclear proliferation)
9 year old me playing MGS in 1998: Snake go grunt, Johnny poops his pants, cool ninja robot, Metal Gear go brrrrrr
Good advice from Nastasha
For fiction this is amazingly accurate or close to history
Still relevant...
Then She wrote a great books
I have played and listened to the codec calls it's very matrix inspired the way Agent Smith talk's to Morpheus in the first film during the interrogation, if you wanna play around with reality give Snake posttraumatic stress disorder, confuse the player to the point were you don't know wether you're the good or bad guy.
The whole codec call sequence at federal hall is like a long cut scene with no sense of interaction, what's fun about that?
8:30 Temos drones com um precisão absurda. Capaz de interceptar um carro em alta velocidade.
Fun fact: the voice of Natasha Romanenko is the same one who did Ms. Butterbean in The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, I’m not even kidding here.
why are we still here?
Played this amazing game back in the days. Who knew of nano technology back then?
This game is politically correct in many codec an cinematic content ✅
8:49 Angola foi um exemplo de revolução regional, foram pisoteados por dois elefantes superpotentes que nem sequer brigaram.
4:33 so relevant today.
YUP
The Torture room isn't that a huge interactive storytelling event?
One step above? it was a story about simulating the events of shadow mosses while being imperfect and turning written laws on peaces of paper to artificial intelligent life.
The A.I.'s are essentially nothing more than a class written in Javascript;)
Thus only being able to work after the restrictions of their own coding.
The choice you're given is Binary either die or kill Solidus T.N.D.
You could say that the best way to beat MGS2 is either turning the consol off or pressing the reset button.
Everything Nastasha said in two words: Nukes bad
Natasha With The Knowledge Tho.
NEOCON Juice, Every. Single. Time.
I always wonder how much is actual trivia and how much is made up
Seems fairly accurate to me. Though MGS1 was released in 1998 and is set in 2005. Start 3 never happened it was replaced with SORT in 2002 and New Start in 2010.
Umm 🤔🤔🤔
So, Solidus fears Putin.
everyone fears Putin...
Nah Arthur got him good in Red Dead Redemption 2, except his name is Angelo Bronte in that one, but he is a huge jackass like Putin normally is.
I wish she was in more MGS games why haven't we had the pleasure of her voice since.
Hopefully they'll make that MGS: Philantrophy game in wich she stands in for Colonell Campell
It'll be the best way for Hideo Kojima to Redeem himself for the massive sin of MGS2 and Raiden!!!
The very end is a really important note with AI
If we get to the point where the Government can claim that the tools we have are indistinguishable from military and civilian applications, they can use this to undermine our rights.
The algo is trying to be funny.
Can someone explain me why I never heard this woman before ? I played as a child this game over and over and never spoke to her ? Did I miss something ?
campbell gives you her codec
She was an "optional" codec. Campbell gave it to you in the beginning, and you could also see the codec in the back of the cover.
SeBu she tells you about weapons and some strategy
So you would rather say that the annoying Fortune Boss fight and the sniper fight of vamp which bare's no purpose are forms of art?
The first MGS1 used the change of controller ports to defeat a mind reading pshycho mantis(and if you couldn't you would unmask the 2 statues in the room) now that's clever, MGS3 followed up with The Sorrow
MGS4 is not about lazy uninspired fan service with no subtlety or depth at all - you must have been playing a different game than me.
MGS2 was made during the days of Project Echelon - anybody and his dog could have known by then that everybody was being spied on all the time - you didn't need Edward Snowden to tell you that 12 years later. MGS4 is far beyond that still and show wars will be waged a couple of years from now by the Pentagon and the defense contractors.
There was no nuclear weapons in irak they where chimical missiles been develop
Iraq did not have enough Uranium to build a proper one (they were "stolen" by the US during the gulf war and Operation Desert Storm.) so they tried to find an alternative in order to stand up against the west.
I understand perfectly what they were trying to achieve, with Raiden as a substitute for you as the player. However a character in a game no matter who and how welldefined, will never be the same as the person holding the controller.
And it's not like i don't like philosophy i enjoy it alot, but as a gameplayer i wanne be more directly involved and you weren't in MGS2
MGS5 as far as i've heard try similar things but executed in a better way, here Big Boss can not distingguis dream from reality.
Well the Tank chapter is yes;)
The rest is not so good
navylaks2 Typical fanboy who obviously didn't get the message of mgs2. Control of digital information... Kojima actually predicted what is going on in the world now in mgs2... :)
MGS1 had a theme and a smart one, now if a game has great story that means that it's likely to work better as a film than a game.
The game medium should be interactive storytelling because it make's you the player more involved, the way The End could be taken out in MGS3 was interactive storytelling with a theme.
And what made the first mgs1 so great was the 4th wall breaks allmost none of these can be seen in MGS2.
Sons of liberty had alot of potential but ultimately felt unfinished and poor
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