As a power scaler; yeah dealing with the majority of power scalers they are so... how do I make an emoji to convey the facial response that death the kid made after meeting Excalibur?
Crocodile: protects Luffy in Marineford because he had his own reasons, and there were a lot other people protecting him aswell overthinking idiots who think they’re so smart because they create random assumption and called it theory: HE IS ACTUALLY LUFFY’S MOM
redtutel honestly, it’s the reason power levels were originally introduced. The whole thing is that they are flawed. I always saw it as that you can’tdetermine the outcome of a fight on numbers alone.
If power levels mattered, Luffy would have died to Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria, Blackbeard, Magellan (twice), Doflamingo, Cracker and Katakuri. If power levels mattered, you wouldn't have the need for someone like Usopp to save Luffy and Law from Sugar in Dressrosa, someone who could have literally ended the series with one single touch of her hand. And there you go
False. You guys are thinking of power scales too literally. Intelligence and taking your opponent off guard is one of the prime aspects of a fight. It is often said a weak punch you didnt see coming hurts more than a strong punch you inticipated. Remember Bisky in Hunter x Hunter. While Gon and Killua were significantly weaker than Knuckles, her point was even someone *B level* can be defeated by a *D level* in the right circumstances. Usopp’s power is in his planning and strategizing. While Usopp would lose 9/10 times if he fought some of the opponents he has faced, he’s a clutch shooter. All he needs is to defeat them once, and that opportunity arises when the other party is still uncertain of his abilities. Luffy may get wasted by opponents constantly, but all he needs is one decisive when to be victorious. Think about it, Luffy wasn’t really stronger than Doffy when he beat him. It’s just that Doffy was so worn out from constantly fighting multiple opponents and having his insides mashed that an opportunity came. Weaker people can sometimes win matches, it doesn’t mean they are stronger, it just means they won
I'm be honest, it's more so because Luffy passed out and did the whole, collapsing, no pupils thing which usually means he's down for the count for a bit. I'm not saying that shouldn't of happened but that usually is reserved for KO's or bigger moments.
They arent ....almost everyone has made the point that every super nova could hurt another....its 99.9% people talking about people being upset and .1% people actually being upset
when i see people going nuts overpower levels in one piece i just remember how perona could easily defeat all the strongest straw hats without even trying
Doing power scaling is fine, but when people start thinking that their power scaling is definitely true, then it's just dumb. Things like Zoro v/s Law v/s Kid, there are arguments on both sides and people should accept that we don't exactly know for sure.
@@lordaromat3890 yes that is definitely an argument to use in Zoro's favour but then people say nerfed Killer also one shotted him but that's not true. Firstly Zoro was also nerfed, secondly Zoro got unconscious bcoz of poison.
Yeah my only issue is the beginning starts with wanting us to subscribe, it bothers me cause if I’m just starting to watch him I don’t wanna automatically subscribe and it gets annoying really fast
Said it before I'll say it again. This is why your the best Onepiece TH-camr(influencer) out there. The fanbase is losing thier minds and Grandline has to step in and remind you all how Onepiece ACTUALLY works. Ppl be thinking this is DBZ or some shit.
@person person DBZ established the strongest guy always wins, it just also established that who that is can change mid battle. Onepiece has dodged that problem pretty well for the most part, Luffy v Katakuri is the only standout where someones power jumped significantly during the fight.
I got Dragon ball flashbacks when I saw the thumbnail and title I was like: *No,NO I THOUGHT I ESCAPED IT and now it rears its UGLY HEAD ONCE MORE!?!?!*
Two points I want to make: 1: your point on the marines compared to pirate "power" levels is really good and I think reflective of the worlds each organization respectively live in. The Marines are a regimented/structured organization bound by much more rules, so it makes sense that admirals are of a similar strength. Conversely pirates are so wildly different between crews, and again going off their bounties, are measured by their notoriety if anything which has no direct translation to skill. Chief in point: Kidd having a higher bounty than Luffy in Saobody simply because he massacred villages and such. 2: on your last point, couldn't agree more. The random factor is what makes one piece so amazing! I love Dragon Ball Z, grew up with it, it'll always hold a special place in my heart. That being said, the rigid power levelling system and universal acceptance of Goku's dominance makes the story so boring by the end. There never is a percievable threat because you can tell how strong an enemy is based on what level super Saiyan Goku uses. And realistically the plot armor is so thick that you know he'll always won at the end. What I love about One Piece is that you can very likely have an enemy that Zoro or Sanji can beat, and Luffy would have a hard time with. Anyways, love the videos, keep em coming!
@@leonardofarias8843 let's keep going with the DBZ comparison, when a new villain shows up and they square up against Goku and hold their own, you know for a fact that this villain would destroy Piccolo/Trunks/Vegeta etc. Whereas if Mr. 1 for example fought Luffy instead of Zoro, it might've been a harder fight than it was for Zoro. It's more organic. Better story telling, because it's a living breathing world with opportunistic moments like that instead of just "okay this guy beat crew member X, Just wait for Luffy to come clean house."
THANK YOU! One Piece is so rich in terms of world building, ideology, storytelling, etc. People who choose consume this great work of art by focusing on pOwEr LeVeLs read it like they’re 10 year old.
why are you so insistent on making people overlook the things they find enjoyment in the series. if you love the other aspects good for you but people should be afforded to do same without getting shamed or called kids.
Aah, powerlevels, an easy way to artificially increase tension, while sacrificing everything else in a story. It's a good thing they are never used in popular shows. Oh, wait......
I kinda like the bounty system because it isn't exactly power scaling so much as it is clout scaling where you have an estimate of someone's strength but it isn't exactly accurate as multiple things contribute to this as how dangerous a person is or how heinous his/her crimes are. We have an example where Oda shows us for example that the only reason Kidd has a higher bounty is because he murders people. Or people can hide actions they've taken from the world Government; like Crocodile and baroque works or Doflamingo and his Smile operation in Dressrosa or when weak ass Buggy becomes a Warlord. It's pretty interesting and is smarter than having exact numbers to scale, from a writing standpoint.
Shanks: *isn't seen fighting in the whole series* Everyone: STRONGEST YONKO, STRONGER THAN ROGER, STRONGER THAN IM SAMA(who might be a weakling for all we know)
you know, there are a lot of those kind of garbage posted in my local community websites (and local language youtube account as well). “COPPER GABBAN’S MOST BADASS POWER” “SHANKS’S DEADLIEST TECHNIQUE” fuck those are cringy as hell
lmao! The sea monster did cut Shanks arm but if you switch to Big mom or Kaido, they wouldn't lose their arm. So can we power-scale the Sea monster now? XD
Ocean's Blue Waves Nah. What Blackbeard lacked in strength he made up in his cunningness. He had a yonkou back him until he was ready to make his move. He’s smart, and now he has the power to back his ambitions. That should be terrifying
I think another really important thing to mention is how even Luffy doesn't automatically win every conflict with plot armor. He explains it himself in Arlong Park, but he needs his crew to handle some matchups better suited for them. Like Zoro takes care of most of the blade people who would normally counter Luffy's weakness to sharp objects. Obviously the story is written in such a way that none of the main enemies will ever be a hard counter to Luffy, just a power/mental challenge to overcome. But if you pay close attention to some of the secondary characters that other people have to fight, you might see some that Luffy might struggle with more than the big bad.
The One Piece fan base needs to remember that this is still Oda’s story. He can do whatever HE wants in the story! Plus I doubt his editor would allow him to make a bad decision.
This is a pretty bad argument...An author is bound by the rules he himself created, he cannot ruin the consistency of the story by doing what he wants all the time. If this were true Oda could make Zoro find the One Piece by dumb Luck. Since he wants to end OP in 5 years this could happen. What is stopping Oda from doing it? He is the author, he can write anything he wants...oh no...the story is now ruined and the fandom is betrayed.
Oda doesn't care about the technical side of fights as much as the emotional and character side of things. Oda is great at making the fights emotional and making the reader become more invested in the characters through fights. On top of that, one piece fights are all about big cool moves and personalized fights, rather than technicalities and proper power scaling.
One Piece Fans : Luffy and Zorro will defeat Kaido and Big Mom Luffy and Zorro : Gets bullied and blooded by Apoo Also Apoo : Got a Literal Bitch slap by Kidd Killer : Fa Fa Fa!
Apoo had the element of surprise (unknow power for luffy and zoro), we have seen this before how luffy doesn't know the power of his enemy thats why he doesn't go all out right of the gate
On that chapter review, someone said that maybe you have to listen to Apoo's song to be damaged, which would make a random fight with him either lethal or a joke depending on circumstances alone.
Yup. Some people are in the DBZ mindset that the strongest person always wins. That’s just not true though. A weaker hit you don’t see coming hurts more than a stronger hit you are anticipating
Wisdom Manari' this is stupid. So Luffy has to know someone’s powers inside out and if he doesn’t it isn’t fair for Luffy? Did Doffy know about gear 4? Did lucci know about gear 2 or 3? Luffy still had to extreme diff these people so what exactly is your point?
I’ve always said that Power levels are basically non existent in One Piece . You have so many aspects that goes into a fight and people like Enel and Crocodile are still threats in this series. Just because Luffy beat them once doesn’t mean that he could beat them over and over like DBZ or Naruto
@@cvox607 As someone who is quite a detractor of Naruto, I will say that its power system is certainly not one of its flaws, especially in early Naruto, which had a brilliant power system
@@CurrentSoulKing actually outside of naruto and sasuke being gods by the end of the series the rest still hold mostly to 1v1 matchups. it doesnt matter who you are if hinata lands a clean hit on them theyd lose. not to mention rules established in naruto like never fight a sharingon 1v1 'you can't win." also hold up.
@@cvox607 naruto towards the end is just as bad if not worse than dbz when it comes to the power system...it literally is just being overall more powerful...skills or intelligence are pretty much irrelevant...strong eyes, tailed beast, a lot of chakra > everybody else
The subscribe plug is over 9000! Jokes aside I’m happy you’re tackling this topic GrandLine. I am indifferent to power scaling conversations in general but I do think that One Piece as a series has actually done a good job with its power scaling. It helps that the world is utilized to explain the gaps in power. Therefore, there is less cognitive dissonance of how we got to say a Marineford or Wano.
I still have arguments with my friend that if Luffy and Zorro switched and fought Mr. 1 and Crocodile, that luffys would have been torn to shreds and Zorro would have died. A lot of these fights before haki is pure match up luck.
Exactly. But Luffy wasn’t stronger than Crocodile when he won. The fact is that sometimes the weaker person wins by catching their opponent off guard. Luffy may lose 3 times to Crocodile but he only needs one decisive win to be “victorious”.
I get your point however on the Zorro side, that might not be the case I would think, if Zorro happen to figure out the water hold sand together property, he might as well slash himself to wet the blade and cut Crocodile to defeat.
@@uncleiroh4650 I make it a point to never look at fights with luffy in it to determine a villains strength, luffy is the main character hes never going to die, so unless he plans to run away like with Big Mom the villain ALWAYS has to lose no matter how much stronger the villain is. That's just called plot armor and then the author has to make it sound believable so that people can move on.
Power levels really existed in One Piece. For a single chapter. Then Oda threw that Douriki bs out of the window because he himself realized quickly that its nonsense and does not work.
Douriki was fine and it was an one of thing. Douriki only explain raw power in a base form. It doesn't that into account DF, Fighting techniques and other stuff. Jabra is surprise that Kaku but then turn around and says that he still have a DF and douriki doesn't matter. Two people with the same douriki level shouldn't end with a tie because it doesn't take a lot into account. Heck i bet luffy had a smaller douriki level than lucci. Luffy was weaker than him in his base form.
@@waleuska I am actually fairly certain that the only reason Douriki existed was to have Fukurou and the other members of CP9 to have better personality and comedic banter.
@@equilus2974 Douriki existed for two reasons. One, to establish early on how strong each of CP9 was in relation to each other. Two, and more importantly, to establish that Spandam is a shit-tier scrub that's weaker than a literal random nameless Marine.
I hope you realize that the strongest person doesn’t always win a fight. Power levels aren’t inconceivable, it’s just that depending on the circumstances, weaker opponents can win fights
I always viewed Yonko as the most influential pirates rather than the strongest. In the same way, I always viewed Shichibuki as pirates who just happened to work for the government rather than pirates who were recognised by the government because of strength.
That's exactly what it is for Yonko. It was never just their strength alone, it's their strength, the territories and the influence they have on events in the world and the effects there after.
strength is a huge factor for a yonko to have why else would they be such a huge threat in the story plus don't forget that this is a battle shonen series it makes sense for the biggest baddest pirates to be the strongest
Is there a bigger joke than One Piece power scalers? Provably Trebol's existence but that's about it! Having power scaling conversations for fun is great, but people who actually read the series for power levels and prioritise them, then you are reading the wrong series. Oda has crafted this power system in a way where strength CANNOT BE QUANTIFIED! Nothing is confirmed in terms of power, and that's what makes combat in One Piece brilliant.
There is a power scale system though when luffy become a 5th emperor bb even said he’s not on that level and then in enies lobby there was a literal power level system one piece does have power tiers
power levels become a thing from the moment the "i hit you but it didnt do anything because you are so strong i can only overcome you hitting harder" exist, like in enies lobby, the whole Doriki thing exist
Very interesting.. I agree with most points in this.. One Piece is definitely one of the hardest anime to power scale characters but Oda does give hints every now and then. For instance, we can tell how strong Rayleigh is because of how his haki teachings (in a short time) brought Luffy's name into Yonko conversations. Rayleigh was Roger's first mate and we know who they had to face in the Rocks Pirates. We haven't been able to see a lot of fights with Rayleigh but we can infer Rayleigh is in the upper echelon of power in One Piece.
I always loved One Piece because of this. It bothers me to no end when a series relies on the main character to be the strongest. I always got the vibe that anyone can beat anyone within the Once Piece world. Theoretically, Zoro or even Franky could have gone toe to toe with Lucci and win. On the flip side, Enel was super strong for sky island and against the Straw Hats, but if he were to come down and start stuff almost anyone with power could have taken him down. Point is, it's nice that someone like Zoro or Sanji could take out a main bad guy.
Thank you for addressing this. I don't understand why so many forget about all the different factors that go into a fight. Like this is a series where you can eat a Logia fruit and coast on that ability all the way through the first half of the Grand Line, and then as soon as you run into Haki users in the New World, you immediately get put back in your place. Haki is basically the balance patch for the series lol
The endless the desire power scalers who try desperately to line up characters so confrontations are straightforward, predictable and predetermined just baffle me. Especially with how every time people ask Oda for exact stats and limitations of characters abilities he takes the piss with them
Thank you for this. As much fun as it is listening in on other content creators’ takes on power scaling characters, IMO it takes away from the overall story and the experience as the consumer. So many popular OP content creators place pre-conceived notions into the minds of their audience that end up splitting the community rather than bringing us together to enjoy it all. Thanks again.
the #1 thing that pisses me off when people talk about ''power levels'' is people who underestimate the admirals, especialy in regards to yonko when people say stuff like "'you need 2 admirals to defeat big mom and even then she can probaly defeat all 3'' or ''ya the yonko are so much stronger than the admirals, 3 of them couldn't even beat a sick whitebeard'' the latter is just plain wrong and stupid and yet sooo many people make that argument without realizing that A: whitebeard is on a league of his own even when sick, B: every admiral that fought him held up pretty well against him, kizaru was just teleporting circles around him while trolling and akainu punched 2 holes in him and blew half his head off. i can think of so many instances where it shows how insanely powerful the admirals are and yet the fanbase keeps treating them as ''yonko commander level'' (with context to this video)
I agree but why would world government let them lose if they can take down emperors. They see yonkos as threat yet they don’t take any action. As garp stated before in sabaody arc marines doesn’t have enough might to handle two legends referring two old guys(reyleigh and whitebeard). So i m still not convinced on being a admiral on yonko level.
@@shivendrak.c.6703 the WG needs Yonko to keep pirates entering the new world in check bcoz there's a certain level of understanding between them and the emperors.. That's why after Whitebeards death Gorosei wished Marco would do something about Blackbeard and take command of Whitebeards Territories but Teach is pretty much God tier at this point....🤷♂
I loved this! I really dislike power-leveling in shows. It takes away the mystery and the anticipation about not only what will happen, but HOW it will happen. I love One Piece and one of the reasons is due to its lack of power levels.
I remember thinking people like Smoker and Crocodile were invincible back in the day. Really nice to hear you talk about all this power level nonsense that seems to worm itself into every shounen leading up to arguments like: "If its 1 on 1 Kaido will win".....until Sugar decides she wants a new action figure and gently touches him. BOOM! Unstoppable emperor of the sea taken out by a small child.
Thank you for making this much-needed video. Hopefully, more and more people come across this video and actively listen to it for the sake of learning from it.
Hey hey hey now, black beard did beat ace in a one on one and way back in the day managed to scar shanks while his guard is up, the man has two incredibly powerful devil fruits I think you’re underselling him quite a bit, and as for the whole “yonko level” thing the yonko have been depicted as being roughly equal in power for a majority of the series so while yes might alone is not all it takes to be a yonko, mihawk shows that, individual strength is a factor so for a broad overview having tiers is fine it’s just the standards and metrics that make up said tiers that should be debated
Yonko is tough to define because it's unofficial, though any Yonko that remains one for a long time is presumably because they're strong enough for the marines to not actively pursue them or for the other Yonko to take their territory. But the crew as a whole can be a factor too so it's hard to judge. Definitely the people assuming Kaido could destroy Big Mom were quickly proven wrong, they both deserve their title.
I Understand why it’s hard to understand just how powerful black beard really is. When I first started watching I also didn’t get the feeling that he was strong even though I knew the story was trying to tell us he was. Then it hit me and I realize he’s like Luffy. We know Luffy is strong because we followed him in depth from day one and seen him persevere through all kinds of struggle, power, and adversity. We’ve seen him punch through solid rock and seen him survive getting punched by people who can punch through solid rock. But when most people see Luffy they don’t think anything of him he looks like a scrawny teenager and acts like a goofy kid, he doesn’t come off as a tough capable future pirate king. A lot of the times when he’s fighting even his enemies think he’s just joking round (crocodile/lucid/doflamingo) not taking things seriously, only for him to tell them that he is completely serious. Same with Blackbeard. At least for me he just came off asgoofy, and maybe someone who can take a hit. Looking back at all his feats though, was a member of wb pirates, strong enough to be considered for division commander with no fruit, could sneak kill a yonko commander seemingly no diff, supremely confident he can take out any 100 mill or above pirate and become a warlord, Packed such a punch with just one strike to the neck that Ace was sure that he couldn’t take too many more physical hits from him
captlaserrage Yonkou level really just means the minimum power required to hold your position as Yonkou. People contest Luffy not just out of headcanon, but b/c Garp and BB said that it was too early for Luffy to be called a yonkou. The world just sees him as such b/c they think what Luffy lacks in power he makes up in strategy, the only thing is the strategies put at play to fight the Yonkou weren’t his, but other pirate captains
I think that the rock-paper-scissors element of One Piece has been much less common after the timeskip than it was before. The Doflamingo and Katakuri fights were fairly cut and dry slugfests that were won by having stronger punches and faster reflexes. From what we have seen of Wano, we can expect the Kaido fight to end the same way. Before the timeskip, there was a lot more variety in how Luffy took down villains, such as being forced to find Crocodile’s weakness or creating a one-off power up like nightmare or Afro Luffy. I, for one, am glad that this rock-paper-scissors element is returning, as it adds much-needed variety.
Joe Star He didn’t really “win psychologically”, he just didn’t have as much on the line to win. He just gained respect for Luffy and didn’t care if he took an L. If it was to save his sister, for instance, I think it would be fair to say Katakuri wouldn’t have just given up or been so lax with Luffy, letting him get stronger. Katakuri wasn’t mentally weak, he just grew to want to see how far Luffy could go
There are still RPS style fights though, like Luffy vs Cracker. Luffy totally would've lost if Nami wasn't there to help him. Or if you wanna talk 1v1s, Luffy's first bout with Caesar, where Caesar won basically by doing nothing because his DF grants him the tools to win.
Dude, Blackbeard IS Yonko level. Since he’s been barely shown, you can’t argue that he’s been proven to be weak, and he’s probably trained himself in two years to get much stronger than he was before the time skip.
He hasn't been proven to be strong from what we've seen, which is what we use to judge the strength of a character, and Blackbeard is a character who cheats his way to the top so it's very unlikely that he's trained he probably relies on the power of the people around him and his DF.
Thank you Liam, finally somebody speaks about this. Honestly you don't even know how triggered i've been for so long with all these people like Sawyer, B.D.A Law and people like that who use these exact terms all the time and it makes no sense. Especially when they scale characters like Shanks and Benn Beckmann who we know nothing about in terms of power. It probably also comes from the fact that i've been a part of the Naruto power scaling community for a long time, which has a lot of unwritten rules that everybody knows, such as not scaling characters we don't know shit about. This is such a needed video, hopefully some of these channels most guilty of this see this.
It's been said that people who think they are invincible just because of their devil fruits don't make it in the new world . Blackbeard is setting himself for failure, if he is only relying on his devil fruit power.
That doesn't immediately make him "yonko level" we shouldn't scale these characters as if the classes they are in make them equal or close to the same power. Blackbeard is a huge threat to both the world and government so why wouldn't they give him that title? Same with luffy he is the 5th emperor without being even close to the level of big mom, shanks, kaido, etc. You are over generalizing the strength of these characters.
This isn't just in One Piece others have this problem like e.g. Naruto with Kage level characters. I think people use these terms to try to simplify match ups without having to think about it e.g. Ace > Dolflamingo because of titles with Ace being a Yonko Commander yet we have seen nothing about him that suggests he could beat Doflamingo who according to "power scaling" is lower being a Warlord level character.
The only issue I have with your comment is that warlord level was only a thing for a very short time. After learning of all the warlords it was very clear that they're far apart in power. Mihawk is the main one throwing it all off
Remember dorikis? Oda *did* introduce power levels at some point during the story. Do you know why it was never mentioned again? Because it would have killed One Piece. Same reason why Dragon Ball Z stopped using numbers to calculate power levels after the Freiza Arc, why Toriko gave up quickly on the calorie system, why Naruto let go of quantifying chakra... Once you put a number on strength you become a slave to power levels
Oda was trolling the fans To get doriki you need to kick poor fukuru it is just how much strong your kick than normal human It doesn't consider devil fruit It Only take in consideration of pure physical strength
Zoro and Luffy have never seen Apoo’s ability, right? It would make sense then that he was able to do some damage to them as they were unprepared for what Apoo can do
Imagine people getting upset because of what is effectively a sucker punch. They acting like he solo'd them by himself and they can't fight anymore/are dead...when in reality they shrugged it off and continued with their business after a brief "the fuck was that!??!!?" lol. I mean shit, Nami does more lasting damage to Luffy whenever he says/does something dumb. Which is a lot.
Amen. There's so many people that should watch this, seriously. You didn't touch upon this, but there's also another hilarious example of power-scaling generalization; the First Yonko Commander Level, Second Yonko Commander Level and Third Yonko Commander Level. It's probably the most hilarious system powerscaling folks have come up with; the first real Yonko structure we came along was BigMom's, and since she has 3 Sweet Commanders, people now uses this method to evaluate each crew. The fact that they are called "Commanders" comes from this, despite them being called Calamities/All Stars in Kaido's crew, Titanic Captains in Blackbeard's, and who knows what in Shanks's. What's hilarious is that, by this metric, Blackbeard's crew and Whitebeard's crew are automatically exceptions, as they have tens and more of them. And again, I love the fact that by doing this people forget that BigMom used to have 4 Commanders as well. It creates this discussion within the community in which "this character is 2nd Yonko Commander Level", but this one is "1st Yonko Commander Level". It's quite funny, because if you stop for a second and think "What does that even mean?", you'll see that it doesn't work. Most people refer to "3rd YC Level" as "Cracker's level". But Jack in the Beast Pirates is the equivalent of 3rd YC, but people say he's stronger than Smoothie, who is a 2nd YC. When Queen's bounty came along, people thought he was stronger than Katakuri: as he's considered "1st YC level", does this mean that Queen is... what, exactly? This is the issue. Let's put it in another way; Apoo is a Headliner in the Beast Pirates crew. Holdem is a Headliner in the Beast Pirates crew. Does this mean that there is a "Headliner level"? As soon as the Flying Six came into the picture, people started saying "They are the equivalent of the Veterans from the BigMom Family". Who the hell are these Veterans? There is NO VETERAN TITLE in the BigMom Family! Daifuku and Oven have the exact same titles as Compote, Amande and Opera. There is no title distinction in the BigMom Pirates, but since people think that Persopero, Oven and Daifuku are a cut above the rest, they call them the "BigMom Veterans" - including Snack who apparently, since he lost the YC title before we even met him, he automatically has lost power levels right from the get go. At the end of the day, the only decent "level" is indeed Admiral Level, for the simple fact that Admirals are chosen through a drafting process, meant to evaluate their power; if you're strong enough, you become an admiral. But even Vice Admirals are wildly different; just see Vergo and Smoker. At the end of the day, people would live much better lives if they just thought about the series and not about power levels. Now, don't get me wrong; POWERSCALING is important, but only as far as "power feeling" is concerned. It's relevant to realize that Kaido is insanely powerful, and that Luffy can't beat him. But this is all it amounts to. TLDR: Just read JoJo, and you'll realize power levels as commonly regarded in the Shonen Manga community are complete bullshit
If One Piece needs some kind of "power system", I would say that there are 3 categories that may or may not work: Mentality, Experience, and Support. Mentality -Can be a way of judging one character's potential of having haki, and how strong their haki would be. But it could also show the amount of tenacity they have to keep fighting and win a seemingly impossible fight. Probably can also show the flaws of the individual. If the individual has a devil fruit, it could probably show on how flexible their mind is to use their devil fruit to it's greatest potential and then some. Experience -Basically speaks for itself TBH. The more fights you take part of, the more overall experience you will have, and the tougher the fight, the more experience you gain from that fight. Can also helps with making new techniques for your devil fruit if you have one, and increasing the potency of your haki. Support -The strength and the amount of people you have in your crew, and how much they support and trust the captain and their crewmates. The more people in your crew, and the more allies you have, the more overall support you have. (Think of it as a guild or a party in MMORPGs) I don't know if this works at all, but it's just they way I think of it.
@@hrafnknutsson2859 No they do not, they are not all the same level. This was proven when Shanks became a Yonko 6 years ago. Are you saying Shanks equals Big Mom when she has been a Yonko way longer? Experience matters more my guy.
@@Sacredix luffy became strong enough to beat two of big moms commanders, and he started a little over two years ago and is 19 and katakuri has been a pirate all his life and is 48, so yeah I think shanks is the same level as big mom
I Think most people who use Yonko, admiral, warlord and commandor level are aware that there are more nuances to it - we just like to use the term as a way to get a sense of the leauge of power - you can't be a admiral who'd get stomped by anyone weaker than Jinbei while on guard- we're still fully aware of the spectrum within the league.
The only power scaling that feels right is yonko>admiral>yonko commander. Because I'm tired of people waking on the admirals, when if they were enough to strong the marine wouldn't have needed the shibukai. WB was weak and sick and was a pre-timeskip fight
Counter Point: That round zipper-mouth dude at Enies Lobby measured "Power Levels", so clearly, this applies to every single character in the entire franchise. /s
When people say “Yonkou level” they really just mean is someone strong enough to fight toe to toe with any of the Yonkou’s, excluding Luffy. Even Garp and BB said it was too early for Luffy, meaning that while Luffy has the title, he wasn’t strong enough to hold it’s mantle. If he want to continue on, he has to become stronger. This war at Wano will cement him as a Yonkou even the higher ups have to respect
Rolando Gerola I’m not sure exactly what your saying but fights very different marathons. Better fighters lose to worse ones all the time (even in a marathon, the your time can significantly vary depending on how you’re feeling). The strongest opponent doesn’t always win. Yonko level is just a loose term. All it really means is, could a fighter go toe to toe with BB, Kaido, Big Mom, or Shanks. I’m not a fan of the term b/c we don’t know any of their strength, but by portrayal we all know there aren’t many people on that level. It’s just a guess on what level the strongest people are on, similar to when Mihawk wanted to see the gap between him and the “strongest man”. If you wan’t, you can just replace “Yonkou level” with “S-Tier”. S-Tiers would almost always defeat A tiers. A tiers would almost always defeat B-Tiers and so on. No Supernova can take on a Yonkou rn. No Vice admiral (besides Garp) can take on an Admiral. No one can take on Buggy. It’s all just people having fun guessing. As long as you can recognize your probably wrong in your power list it doesn’t really matter🤷🏾♂️
@Rolando Gerola yonko level is a real level. Call it toxic if you want. But it is a level. Now with warlords yes theres no warlord level because the differences are too great but with yonko they are all around the same level. This whole "blackbeard is too weak so the gap is too wide" is complete bullshit. I believe blackbeard to be the strongest yonko either right now or as soon as Wano is over, he commands two amazing devil fruits (which we have never seen up to this point) and has had two years to train with them. I dont understand why people are underestimating him.
@Rolando Gerola Well Luffy will almost always be the exception. That doesn't make Yonko level not exist. That's why we say people like Kidd just don't have plot protection like Luffy will always get. I mean all Yonkos confirm Luffy isn't at that level. Luffy could easily like Urouge had another opponent beat him after. Point is luffy is an exception
If you ever play rock paper scissors with a powerscaler, be prepared for him to explain how a rock is actually much stronger than paper and that paper is barely even finger level
In my opinion Yonko Level does exist but more like "Yonkos are at least about this strong" than "All Yonkos are around this level" for two reasons: 1. Yonkos are determined by their influence on the world, particularly the grandline. You can't get enough influence, territory and enough fear around your name to become a Yonko without a certain level of strength. 2. A more meta reason is that these are Luffy's last enemies. You won't have Luffy's final battle be him vs someone who is around Don Kreig's level. This is a shonen even though intelligence would normally matter, it comes down to strength and actual combat in most shonen. I feel the same way about commander level just on a smaller scale and more crew based than the entirety of the grandline. But I do agree that it extremeley broad and not the best way to judge a character's power. Matchups do matter also but at the same time, strength is just as important. Daz Bones is not besting current luffy because his debil fruit would be Luffy's counter.
Another good example here would be how Magellan basically one-shotted the entire Blackbeard crew (bar Shiryu ofcourse, who saved them). Yes Magellan is a beast and yes Blackbeard did not have WB‘s fruit yet BUT Magellan beating the entire crew of Blackbeard would be absurde. So this happened and still nobody says Magellan> (pre TS) Blackbeard. I guess powerscaling will always be closely tied to having a preference for certain characters.
Idk what fanbase you've been talking to or what you've been reading but everyone has been saying Magellan is a monster and was way stronger than blackbeard pre time skip. He even fought all the level 6 prisoners by himself. If he didnt hold back he would've killed everyone prisoner with his ability. So idk what you're talking about
Freudian explanation: They have a small D and their insecurity reflect on numbers they only want big numbers and that´s why when someone says that a shonen character is strong they inmediatly talk about Goku fucking everyone... and get suuuuuper mad when he was hurt by a bullet on Super, even if that make a only scratch.
It's a special brand of autism that I'm guilty of. People like to know where characters stand in the world, for example could post-timeskip Nami take on Arlong? Those kinds of what-ifs are fun to think about.
Great video dude I do really enjoy power scaling because i like thinking about how fights would play out but I like to think I'm not as bad as most, like when the spoiler think happened last chapter I was happy because its really interesting and cool Arguing on the Internet is not fun because 99% of the time the other person won't listen to your points, I've seen it a million times
Agree wholeheartedly man. They seem to forget what makes One Piece great in the first place! It's so weird. Also, people hate it when predictable things happen (a certain O-Lin's amnesia), they hate it when unpredictable things happen (a certain samurai wrecking yamato's dad). I don't even get what they want!
If there is something I wouldn’t want it is being pinned by Liam
@GrandLineReview you bastard
Dyzs yeh
The good old Chopperoo. Nice technique.
Jammer wouter
today I learned his name is Liam
Power scaling is fun, what isn't fun is conversing with other power scalers.
I do actually agree with this.
Powerscaling talks are the most toxic bouts in the entire fan base. It’s okay to do it, you just have to realize you’re wrong😗👍🏿
I agree with this 😂
As a power scaler; yeah dealing with the majority of power scalers they are so... how do I make an emoji to convey the facial response that death the kid made after meeting Excalibur?
This is a perfect description of powerscaling
Perona: *effortlessly sweeps 90% of the Straw Hat crew*
Usopp: *solos*
I bet mihawk is also already negative
Zoro can't do shit against Perona when they bond for 2 years. Zoro can't escape that island because of her
Tomie D. Goat I’m sorry but who solo’d sugar?
@@naraydaniels7832 *from like 5.5 miles away.
PiecesMissing wow I was referring to the first time so I guess he solo’d sugar twice so I guess god ussop isn’t a joke
Scissors paper rock? I think you need to talk to Gon about that as his line is. “First comes rock”
Jajaken
JAN!
KEN!
GOUUUUUUUUU!
"Why would you use anything but rock? Rock is the best one."
-Brock Sampson
I mean it is Australia where toilets flush counter-clockwise (hehe)
@Beast of Darkness Holy crap.......Epic foreshadowing 😂
the only thing worst than the powerscalers are the people who say crocodile is luffys mom
Who says that? 🤯
nozser SO many fucking people
100% confirmed by Oda
I think Imu-sama is luffy's mother
Crocodile: protects Luffy in Marineford because he had his own reasons, and there were a lot other people protecting him aswell
overthinking idiots who think they’re so smart because they create random assumption and called it theory: HE IS ACTUALLY LUFFY’S MOM
Did people expect Apoo to be a jobber? My boi is a supernova, he's not some captain Kuro/Don Kreig
I've seen too many "Yonkou Level Apoo" videos?? He's a yonkou underling of course he'd be strong. He's literally under Queen of course he'd be strong.
Kian ye
Put some respect on the Dons name
I dont think we expected Apoo to job, but we certainly didn't expect Luffy AND Zorro to have as much trouble with him as they did.
every new power looks op until its explained lmao, apoo is ass
“Power levels are bull$&@%”
- Vegeta from DragonBall Z Abridged
I miss DBZA 🥺
Which in all honesty, was a major theme in the actual series
redtutel honestly, it’s the reason power levels were originally introduced. The whole thing is that they are flawed. I always saw it as that you can’tdetermine the outcome of a fight on numbers alone.
Yes
Toriama added them to state how stupid it is. Then used them as a crutch to quickly explain how powerful someone is.
If power levels mattered, Usopp wouldn't have ever won a single fight ever. So there.
Same goes for Nami and Chopper.
Or usopp is just stronger than you give him credit for lol Luffy ain’t the only one on the crew with a killer lineage 😂💪🏾
If power levels mattered, Luffy would have died to Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria, Blackbeard, Magellan (twice), Doflamingo, Cracker and Katakuri. If power levels mattered, you wouldn't have the need for someone like Usopp to save Luffy and Law from Sugar in Dressrosa, someone who could have literally ended the series with one single touch of her hand. And there you go
False. You guys are thinking of power scales too literally. Intelligence and taking your opponent off guard is one of the prime aspects of a fight. It is often said a weak punch you didnt see coming hurts more than a strong punch you inticipated.
Remember Bisky in Hunter x Hunter. While Gon and Killua were significantly weaker than Knuckles, her point was even someone *B level* can be defeated by a *D level* in the right circumstances. Usopp’s power is in his planning and strategizing. While Usopp would lose 9/10 times if he fought some of the opponents he has faced, he’s a clutch shooter. All he needs is to defeat them once, and that opportunity arises when the other party is still uncertain of his abilities.
Luffy may get wasted by opponents constantly, but all he needs is one decisive when to be victorious. Think about it, Luffy wasn’t really stronger than Doffy when he beat him. It’s just that Doffy was so worn out from constantly fighting multiple opponents and having his insides mashed that an opportunity came. Weaker people can sometimes win matches, it doesn’t mean they are stronger, it just means they won
Uncle Iroh well put
I can't belive the entire community is having a stroke because Apoo did a bit of damage to Luffy.
Yeah the fanbase is really wishy watchy
@@wilfridekoue1405
More like simple-minded toddlers.
I'm be honest, it's more so because Luffy passed out and did the whole, collapsing, no pupils thing which usually means he's down for the count for a bit. I'm not saying that shouldn't of happened but that usually is reserved for KO's or bigger moments.
They arent ....almost everyone has made the point that every super nova could hurt another....its 99.9% people talking about people being upset and .1% people actually being upset
What do people expect he isn’t some captain Kuro
when i see people going nuts overpower levels in one piece i just remember how perona could easily defeat all the strongest straw hats without even trying
She could theoreticaly defeat a yonkou too she's weap9nised depression for Usops sake
Jay15951 and following that logic usopp is the strongest character in one piece (though we already knew that)
@@jay15951 Kaido is pretty depressed already
Remember that Sugar Can just K.O. A Yonkou with just touching it
Hancock beats anyone attracted to her
Doing power scaling is fine, but when people start thinking that their power scaling is definitely true, then it's just dumb. Things like Zoro v/s Law v/s Kid, there are arguments on both sides and people should accept that we don't exactly know for sure.
well zoro did one shot killer
@@lordaromat3890 yes that is definitely an argument to use in Zoro's favour but then people say nerfed Killer also one shotted him but that's not true. Firstly Zoro was also nerfed, secondly Zoro got unconscious bcoz of poison.
This topic might be one of the hardest one to debate.
@@rohitshrivastava9948 poison doesn't count, it's poison. Not like killer beat zoro with sheer power as zoro did with killer
@@lordaromat3890 It wasn't a fair fight, though, and Zoro basically cross-countered Killer with his own weapon.
Ok, I get the point being made, but I think we can all agree that buggy D. Clown is subscribe level
how about Con D Oriano
I can only get behind that if we all agree that ussop is god level
@@jordanhatt6824 its in his name...
so of COURSE he is
Finally someone gets it and I’m not cringing when someone attempts power scaling.
I hope u cringe every time u move.
SilverSteel dang broom is right tho
It’s alright to attempt it, you just have to be okay with being completely wrong😂
When Grandlinereview said: *You now have the power to click the subscribe button!*
I said: Finally my training has paid off!
You have done well, young one.
@@GrandLineReview Thank you sensei, I will teach the art of the subscribe button to others!
Ok, but when do we get the anime release of this story?
training to click a button.........
@@hrafnknutsson2859 Holy fuck
One of the reasons why he is one of the best one piece TH-camrs out there...
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Facts
The best 👌🏼
Yeah my only issue is the beginning starts with wanting us to subscribe, it bothers me cause if I’m just starting to watch him I don’t wanna automatically subscribe and it gets annoying really fast
Mad facts
Said it before I'll say it again. This is why your the best Onepiece TH-camr(influencer) out there. The fanbase is losing thier minds and Grandline has to step in and remind you all how Onepiece ACTUALLY works. Ppl be thinking this is DBZ or some shit.
Mr.Morj is the best One Piece youtuber. Check his videos if you haven't already.
I do respect GLR and Tekking
@@lukerne9260 Will check them out , thanks for the heads up.
@person person DBZ established the strongest guy always wins, it just also established that who that is can change mid battle. Onepiece has dodged that problem pretty well for the most part, Luffy v Katakuri is the only standout where someones power jumped significantly during the fight.
He isn't the only one who's said this. RogersBase also was clearly not part of that group and even mocked the whole Apoo hype.
You WOULD call it Scissors Paper Rock on your upside down island.
Bruh 😂
Let me guess, you use the imperial system?
@@picko11123 Metric of course
We all know the top three:
1. Go D. Usopp
2. Scratchman Apoo
3. Sogeking
Number two is wrong it should be Buggy D Clown
@@essaalimohammed4196 sogeking is number 0
Lol
The true list:
1. Go D. Usopp
2. Buggy D. Clown
3. Con D. Oriano
4. Apoo
5. Judge
@@Mal-go5dl JUDGE TOP 5
I got Dragon ball flashbacks when I saw the thumbnail and title I was like: *No,NO I THOUGHT I ESCAPED IT and now it rears its UGLY HEAD ONCE MORE!?!?!*
NEVER
@@GrandLineReview yo
@@GrandLineReview I KNOW HOW WILL WE SOLVE SUCH A TRAGEDY
Two points I want to make:
1: your point on the marines compared to pirate "power" levels is really good and I think reflective of the worlds each organization respectively live in. The Marines are a regimented/structured organization bound by much more rules, so it makes sense that admirals are of a similar strength. Conversely pirates are so wildly different between crews, and again going off their bounties, are measured by their notoriety if anything which has no direct translation to skill. Chief in point: Kidd having a higher bounty than Luffy in Saobody simply because he massacred villages and such.
2: on your last point, couldn't agree more. The random factor is what makes one piece so amazing! I love Dragon Ball Z, grew up with it, it'll always hold a special place in my heart. That being said, the rigid power levelling system and universal acceptance of Goku's dominance makes the story so boring by the end. There never is a percievable threat because you can tell how strong an enemy is based on what level super Saiyan Goku uses. And realistically the plot armor is so thick that you know he'll always won at the end. What I love about One Piece is that you can very likely have an enemy that Zoro or Sanji can beat, and Luffy would have a hard time with. Anyways, love the videos, keep em coming!
So you don't want to know how strong a villain is
@@leonardofarias8843 let's keep going with the DBZ comparison, when a new villain shows up and they square up against Goku and hold their own, you know for a fact that this villain would destroy Piccolo/Trunks/Vegeta etc. Whereas if Mr. 1 for example fought Luffy instead of Zoro, it might've been a harder fight than it was for Zoro. It's more organic. Better story telling, because it's a living breathing world with opportunistic moments like that instead of just "okay this guy beat crew member X, Just wait for Luffy to come clean house."
Ok ok I agree with everything here EXCEPT calling it “Scissors Paper Rock” I call shenanigans! Where all my Rock Paper Scissors at !
In germany we say scissors rock paper
where i’m from its rock scissors paper lol
Paper Rock Scissors is the only correct pronunciation, as any Yu Yu Hakusho fan would know.
Rock, Paper, Scissors gang rise up!✊🖐️✌️
@@handanhar9571 same in Norway
THANK YOU! One Piece is so rich in terms of world building, ideology, storytelling, etc. People who choose consume this great work of art by focusing on pOwEr LeVeLs read it like they’re 10 year old.
why are you so insistent on making people overlook the things they find enjoyment in the series. if you love the other aspects good for you but people should be afforded to do same without getting shamed or called kids.
Nonsense, Apoo is clearly Scratchman level.
@@GreatestLeaf R/wOoOoSh
Aah, powerlevels, an easy way to artificially increase tension, while sacrificing everything else in a story. It's a good thing they are never used in popular shows.
Oh, wait......
Remember when Oda touched power levels briefly with the Doriki
I kinda like the bounty system because it isn't exactly power scaling so much as it is clout scaling where you have an estimate of someone's strength but it isn't exactly accurate as multiple things contribute to this as how dangerous a person is or how heinous his/her crimes are. We have an example where Oda shows us for example that the only reason Kidd has a higher bounty is because he murders people. Or people can hide actions they've taken from the world Government; like Crocodile and baroque works or Doflamingo and his Smile operation in Dressrosa or when weak ass Buggy becomes a Warlord. It's pretty interesting and is smarter than having exact numbers to scale, from a writing standpoint.
Funny thing is Vegeta Stops using a scouter after getting his ass kicked on earth, in a saga where powerlevels outlive their usefulness in the end.
@@leonardofarias8843 that was his way of saying "Lucci is way, way stronger than anyone else in CP9." He just expressed that with flair lol.
@@christianmayonove6914 And even him received damage from Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd
12:24 it feels like Toei's really improved their artstyle, great to see
Shanks: *isn't seen fighting in the whole series*
Everyone: STRONGEST YONKO, STRONGER THAN ROGER, STRONGER THAN IM SAMA(who might be a weakling for all we know)
What's funny if they make top strongest character list... they will put all these characters that we haven't seen them fight even once
you know, there are a lot of those kind of garbage posted in my local community websites (and local language youtube account as well). “COPPER GABBAN’S MOST BADASS POWER” “SHANKS’S DEADLIEST TECHNIQUE” fuck those are cringy as hell
If Shanks is so powerful, he would have wiped the floor with blackbeard years ago
lmao! The sea monster did cut Shanks arm but if you switch to Big mom or Kaido, they wouldn't lose their arm. So can we power-scale the Sea monster now? XD
Ocean's Blue Waves Nah. What Blackbeard lacked in strength he made up in his cunningness. He had a yonkou back him until he was ready to make his move. He’s smart, and now he has the power to back his ambitions. That should be terrifying
I think another really important thing to mention is how even Luffy doesn't automatically win every conflict with plot armor. He explains it himself in Arlong Park, but he needs his crew to handle some matchups better suited for them. Like Zoro takes care of most of the blade people who would normally counter Luffy's weakness to sharp objects. Obviously the story is written in such a way that none of the main enemies will ever be a hard counter to Luffy, just a power/mental challenge to overcome. But if you pay close attention to some of the secondary characters that other people have to fight, you might see some that Luffy might struggle with more than the big bad.
Everytime I read "Yonko Level" on the internet I die a little inside.
Yonko level
Yonko level
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The One Piece fan base needs to remember that this is still Oda’s story. He can do whatever HE wants in the story! Plus I doubt his editor would allow him to make a bad decision.
Pound.
Pell.
The Will of P.
This is a pretty bad argument...An author is bound by the rules he himself created, he cannot ruin the consistency of the story by doing what he wants all the time. If this were true Oda could make Zoro find the One Piece by dumb Luck. Since he wants to end OP in 5 years this could happen. What is stopping Oda from doing it? He is the author, he can write anything he wants...oh no...the story is now ruined and the fandom is betrayed.
Oda doesn't care about the technical side of fights as much as the emotional and character side of things. Oda is great at making the fights emotional and making the reader become more invested in the characters through fights. On top of that, one piece fights are all about big cool moves and personalized fights, rather than technicalities and proper power scaling.
One Piece Fans : Luffy and Zorro will defeat Kaido and Big Mom
Luffy and Zorro : Gets bullied and blooded by Apoo
Also Apoo : Got a Literal Bitch slap by Kidd
Killer : Fa Fa Fa!
can you add a spoiler alert to the beginning of ur comment please? :)
He’s to wise for that nonsense
F#*k you dude.
Why would you do that?
Not everyone is up on the manga bruh. Spoiler tag thay shit
So kidd > kaido and big mom combined? Damn thats crazyyyy
Apoo had the element of surprise (unknow power for luffy and zoro), we have seen this before how luffy doesn't know the power of his enemy thats why he doesn't go all out right of the gate
Freaking exactly
Literally this
On that chapter review, someone said that maybe you have to listen to Apoo's song to be damaged, which would make a random fight with him either lethal or a joke depending on circumstances alone.
Yup. Some people are in the DBZ mindset that the strongest person always wins. That’s just not true though. A weaker hit you don’t see coming hurts more than a stronger hit you are anticipating
Wisdom Manari' this is stupid. So Luffy has to know someone’s powers inside out and if he doesn’t it isn’t fair for Luffy?
Did Doffy know about gear 4?
Did lucci know about gear 2 or 3?
Luffy still had to extreme diff these people so what exactly is your point?
I’ve always said that Power levels are basically non existent in One Piece . You have so many aspects that goes into a fight and people like Enel and Crocodile are still threats in this series. Just because Luffy beat them once doesn’t mean that he could beat them over and over like DBZ or Naruto
Naruto is more versatile in term of powers that's a bad example
@@cvox607 As someone who is quite a detractor of Naruto, I will say that its power system is certainly not one of its flaws, especially in early Naruto, which had a brilliant power system
@@CurrentSoulKing it's not about power system which is chakra but power scaling which is who is ACTUALLY stronger
@@CurrentSoulKing actually outside of naruto and sasuke being gods by the end of the series the rest still hold mostly to 1v1 matchups. it doesnt matter who you are if hinata lands a clean hit on them theyd lose.
not to mention rules established in naruto like never fight a sharingon 1v1 'you can't win." also hold up.
@@cvox607 naruto towards the end is just as bad if not worse than dbz when it comes to the power system...it literally is just being overall more powerful...skills or intelligence are pretty much irrelevant...strong eyes, tailed beast, a lot of chakra > everybody else
The subscribe plug is over 9000! Jokes aside I’m happy you’re tackling this topic GrandLine. I am indifferent to power scaling conversations in general but I do think that One Piece as a series has actually done a good job with its power scaling. It helps that the world is utilized to explain the gaps in power. Therefore, there is less cognitive dissonance of how we got to say a Marineford or Wano.
This video is A GODSEND... soooooo many people and especially youtubers need to understand this!!
I still have arguments with my friend that if Luffy and Zorro switched and fought Mr. 1 and Crocodile, that luffys would have been torn to shreds and Zorro would have died.
A lot of these fights before haki is pure match up luck.
Exactly. But Luffy wasn’t stronger than Crocodile when he won. The fact is that sometimes the weaker person wins by catching their opponent off guard. Luffy may lose 3 times to Crocodile but he only needs one decisive win to be “victorious”.
Until haki was introduced to be the great equalizer
I get your point however on the Zorro side, that might not be the case I would think, if Zorro happen to figure out the water hold sand together property, he might as well slash himself to wet the blade and cut Crocodile to defeat.
@@bigbin1070 so you're telling me you think zoro could figure that out before crocodile could literally bury zoro with sand in a desert?
@@uncleiroh4650 I make it a point to never look at fights with luffy in it to determine a villains strength, luffy is the main character hes never going to die, so unless he plans to run away like with Big Mom the villain ALWAYS has to lose no matter how much stronger the villain is. That's just called plot armor and then the author has to make it sound believable so that people can move on.
Power levels really existed in One Piece. For a single chapter. Then Oda threw that Douriki bs out of the window because he himself realized quickly that its nonsense and does not work.
I was about to comment that, but then I doubt if this even waa cannon
Douriki was fine and it was an one of thing. Douriki only explain raw power in a base form. It doesn't that into account DF, Fighting techniques and other stuff. Jabra is surprise that Kaku but then turn around and says that he still have a DF and douriki doesn't matter. Two people with the same douriki level shouldn't end with a tie because it doesn't take a lot into account. Heck i bet luffy had a smaller douriki level than lucci. Luffy was weaker than him in his base form.
@@waleuska I am actually fairly certain that the only reason Douriki existed was to have Fukurou and the other members of CP9 to have better personality and comedic banter.
Douriki was only invented to show how weak Spandam is
@@equilus2974 Douriki existed for two reasons. One, to establish early on how strong each of CP9 was in relation to each other.
Two, and more importantly, to establish that Spandam is a shit-tier scrub that's weaker than a literal random nameless Marine.
Oda doesn't care about power level. This isn't dbz where everything was power level and imustbestrongest bullshit
I swear to god, every fight there is, I think Oda in purpose makes certain characters lose or win just to annoy power level tards
@@michaelalvarado2165 you swear to Usopp
I'm with you! pretty sure Kaido can be beaten by chopper
I hope you realize that the strongest person doesn’t always win a fight. Power levels aren’t inconceivable, it’s just that depending on the circumstances, weaker opponents can win fights
@@uncleiroh4650 hence Luffy vs Katakuri
I always viewed Yonko as the most influential pirates rather than the strongest. In the same way, I always viewed Shichibuki as pirates who just happened to work for the government rather than pirates who were recognised by the government because of strength.
That's exactly what it is for Yonko. It was never just their strength alone, it's their strength, the territories and the influence they have on events in the world and the effects there after.
Your view is correct.
strength is a huge factor for a yonko to have why else would they be such a huge threat in the story plus don't forget that this is a battle shonen series it makes sense for the biggest baddest pirates to be the strongest
Yonkos are literally know to split the heavens when the clash, it’s about both power and influence
Hands down best anime /manga content on youtube dude explanations you go into are very in depth and different to all other's
Is there a bigger joke than One Piece power scalers? Provably Trebol's existence but that's about it! Having power scaling conversations for fun is great, but people who actually read the series for power levels and prioritise them, then you are reading the wrong series. Oda has crafted this power system in a way where strength CANNOT BE QUANTIFIED! Nothing is confirmed in terms of power, and that's what makes combat in One Piece brilliant.
Merk III nah cap that’s no power system that’s an excuse for someone with better feats losing to someone with lesser feats
There is a power scale system though when luffy become a 5th emperor bb even said he’s not on that level and then in enies lobby there was a literal power level system one piece does have power tiers
power levels become a thing from the moment the "i hit you but it didnt do anything because you are so strong i can only overcome you hitting harder" exist, like in enies lobby, the whole Doriki thing exist
"Nothing is confirmed in terms of power" except the fact that admirals and yonko are stronger than 90% of the one piece cast is a confirmed thing
Very interesting.. I agree with most points in this.. One Piece is definitely one of the hardest anime to power scale characters but Oda does give hints every now and then. For instance, we can tell how strong Rayleigh is because of how his haki teachings (in a short time) brought Luffy's name into Yonko conversations. Rayleigh was Roger's first mate and we know who they had to face in the Rocks Pirates. We haven't been able to see a lot of fights with Rayleigh but we can infer Rayleigh is in the upper echelon of power in One Piece.
I always loved One Piece because of this. It bothers me to no end when a series relies on the main character to be the strongest. I always got the vibe that anyone can beat anyone within the Once Piece world. Theoretically, Zoro or even Franky could have gone toe to toe with Lucci and win. On the flip side, Enel was super strong for sky island and against the Straw Hats, but if he were to come down and start stuff almost anyone with power could have taken him down. Point is, it's nice that someone like Zoro or Sanji could take out a main bad guy.
I think you're taking it a bit too far
This video is pure gold !!!! Great job GLR
We all know my boy Helmeppo is Admiral Level and my boy Gin is Yonko level
Gin is actually Already the Pirate King
Helmeppo captured Zoro, therefore Helmeppe is the greatest swordsman. Power level confirmed.
I'm astounded you can consistently put out such good content so quickly. Keep up the great work, Liam.
This is basically calling out BDA LAW and im okay with that xD
Bda law talks so much shit lol so I’m fine with it too lol
it's not channel specific unfortunately. a LOT of people, even other youtubers, are guilty of what was mentioned in the video.
Thank you for addressing this. I don't understand why so many forget about all the different factors that go into a fight. Like this is a series where you can eat a Logia fruit and coast on that ability all the way through the first half of the Grand Line, and then as soon as you run into Haki users in the New World, you immediately get put back in your place.
Haki is basically the balance patch for the series lol
The endless the desire power scalers who try desperately to line up characters so confrontations are straightforward, predictable and predetermined just baffle me. Especially with how every time people ask Oda for exact stats and limitations of characters abilities he takes the piss with them
Power scaling is fun but I do agree that the ones who think they are 100% correct in their predictions are stupid
Thank you for this. As much fun as it is listening in on other content creators’ takes on power scaling characters, IMO it takes away from the overall story and the experience as the consumer. So many popular OP content creators place pre-conceived notions into the minds of their audience that end up splitting the community rather than bringing us together to enjoy it all. Thanks again.
People are forgetting that apoo surprised kizaru with his abilities and took him out for, well, three seconds, but still.
Grand Line Review needs more subs man, this guy is actually GOATED, every single one of his videos is a 10/10
the #1 thing that pisses me off when people talk about ''power levels'' is people who underestimate the admirals, especialy in regards to yonko when people say stuff like "'you need 2 admirals to defeat big mom and even then she can probaly defeat all 3'' or ''ya the yonko are so much stronger than the admirals, 3 of them couldn't even beat a sick whitebeard''
the latter is just plain wrong and stupid and yet sooo many people make that argument without realizing that A: whitebeard is on a league of his own even when sick, B: every admiral that fought him held up pretty well against him, kizaru was just teleporting circles around him while trolling and akainu punched 2 holes in him and blew half his head off.
i can think of so many instances where it shows how insanely powerful the admirals are and yet the fanbase keeps treating them as ''yonko commander level'' (with context to this video)
I agree the power gap between an admiral and a emperor is not as vast as most people think.
For me it's pretty simple The Marines and the WG only need 3 Admirals to keep 4 Emperors in check.......no way in hell they getting whooped by Yonkos.
Hamzah Ahmed change your comment to 3 admirals and the fleet commander
I agree but why would world government let them lose if they can take down emperors.
They see yonkos as threat yet they don’t take any action.
As garp stated before in sabaody arc marines doesn’t have enough might to handle two legends referring two old guys(reyleigh and whitebeard).
So i m still not convinced on being a admiral on yonko level.
@@shivendrak.c.6703 the WG needs Yonko to keep pirates entering the new world in check bcoz there's a certain level of understanding between them and the emperors.. That's why after Whitebeards death Gorosei wished Marco would do something about Blackbeard and take command of Whitebeards Territories but Teach is pretty much God tier at this point....🤷♂
Ok im not gonna lie your intro got me good and now you have a subscriber.
Been watching your videos and none of the intros got me as good as this one
Welcome aboard ;D
Australian here, never said Scissors, Paper, Rock.
He does not speak for all of us
I loved this! I really dislike power-leveling in shows. It takes away the mystery and the anticipation about not only what will happen, but HOW it will happen. I love One Piece and one of the reasons is due to its lack of power levels.
I remember thinking people like Smoker and Crocodile were invincible back in the day. Really nice to hear you talk about all this power level nonsense that seems to worm itself into every shounen leading up to arguments like:
"If its 1 on 1 Kaido will win".....until Sugar decides she wants a new action figure and gently touches him. BOOM! Unstoppable emperor of the sea taken out by a small child.
Or until Kuma decides to ask Kaido where would you like to go lol.
Thank you for making this much-needed video. Hopefully, more and more people come across this video and actively listen to it for the sake of learning from it.
Hey hey hey now, black beard did beat ace in a one on one and way back in the day managed to scar shanks while his guard is up, the man has two incredibly powerful devil fruits I think you’re underselling him quite a bit, and as for the whole “yonko level” thing the yonko have been depicted as being roughly equal in power for a majority of the series so while yes might alone is not all it takes to be a yonko, mihawk shows that, individual strength is a factor so for a broad overview having tiers is fine it’s just the standards and metrics that make up said tiers that should be debated
Yonko is tough to define because it's unofficial, though any Yonko that remains one for a long time is presumably because they're strong enough for the marines to not actively pursue them or for the other Yonko to take their territory. But the crew as a whole can be a factor too so it's hard to judge. Definitely the people assuming Kaido could destroy Big Mom were quickly proven wrong, they both deserve their title.
Yeah he made Blackbeard out to be pretty weak, he's incredibly strong, both physically and in terms of devil fruits.
Joe Star he made him out To be weak in COMPARISON to big mom and Kaido which I can agree with
I Understand why it’s hard to understand just how powerful black beard really is. When I first started watching I also didn’t get the feeling that he was strong even though I knew the story was trying to tell us he was. Then it hit me and I realize he’s like Luffy. We know Luffy is strong because we followed him in depth from day one and seen him persevere through all kinds of struggle, power, and adversity. We’ve seen him punch through solid rock and seen him survive getting punched by people who can punch through solid rock.
But when most people see Luffy they don’t think anything of him he looks like a scrawny teenager and acts like a goofy kid, he doesn’t come off as a tough capable future pirate king. A lot of the times when he’s fighting even his enemies think he’s just joking round (crocodile/lucid/doflamingo) not taking things seriously, only for him to tell them that he is completely serious.
Same with Blackbeard. At least for me he just came off asgoofy, and maybe someone who can take a hit. Looking back at all his feats though, was a member of wb pirates, strong enough to be considered for division commander with no fruit, could sneak kill a yonko commander seemingly no diff, supremely confident he can take out any 100 mill or above pirate and become a warlord, Packed such a punch with just one strike to the neck that Ace was sure that he couldn’t take too many more physical hits from him
captlaserrage Yonkou level really just means the minimum power required to hold your position as Yonkou. People contest Luffy not just out of headcanon, but b/c Garp and BB said that it was too early for Luffy to be called a yonkou. The world just sees him as such b/c they think what Luffy lacks in power he makes up in strategy, the only thing is the strategies put at play to fight the Yonkou weren’t his, but other pirate captains
Really enjoy your take on the subscribe intro very refreshing every time!
I think that the rock-paper-scissors element of One Piece has been much less common after the timeskip than it was before. The Doflamingo and Katakuri fights were fairly cut and dry slugfests that were won by having stronger punches and faster reflexes. From what we have seen of Wano, we can expect the Kaido fight to end the same way. Before the timeskip, there was a lot more variety in how Luffy took down villains, such as being forced to find Crocodile’s weakness or creating a one-off power up like nightmare or Afro Luffy. I, for one, am glad that this rock-paper-scissors element is returning, as it adds much-needed variety.
Actually the Katakuri fight wasn't that simple. GLR even made a video about it, how Luffy lost physically but won psychologically.
Joe Star He didn’t really “win psychologically”, he just didn’t have as much on the line to win. He just gained respect for Luffy and didn’t care if he took an L. If it was to save his sister, for instance, I think it would be fair to say Katakuri wouldn’t have just given up or been so lax with Luffy, letting him get stronger. Katakuri wasn’t mentally weak, he just grew to want to see how far Luffy could go
There are still RPS style fights though, like Luffy vs Cracker. Luffy totally would've lost if Nami wasn't there to help him. Or if you wanna talk 1v1s, Luffy's first bout with Caesar, where Caesar won basically by doing nothing because his DF grants him the tools to win.
Yesssss thank you. I love B.D Law’s videos but he uses these titles and it makes my head spin. You covered it perfectly! Subscribed
Welcome aboard:D
Dude, Blackbeard IS Yonko level. Since he’s been barely shown, you can’t argue that he’s been proven to be weak, and he’s probably trained himself in two years to get much stronger than he was before the time skip.
He hasn't been proven to be strong from what we've seen, which is what we use to judge the strength of a character, and Blackbeard is a character who cheats his way to the top so it's very unlikely that he's trained he probably relies on the power of the people around him and his DF.
@@KattaBingo how did he beat Ace?
@@elmichellangelo With the abilities of the Yami Yami no mi
Thank you Liam, finally somebody speaks about this. Honestly you don't even know how triggered i've been for so long with all these people like Sawyer, B.D.A Law and people like that who use these exact terms all the time and it makes no sense. Especially when they scale characters like Shanks and Benn Beckmann who we know nothing about in terms of power. It probably also comes from the fact that i've been a part of the Naruto power scaling community for a long time, which has a lot of unwritten rules that everybody knows, such as not scaling characters we don't know shit about. This is such a needed video, hopefully some of these channels most guilty of this see this.
What makes you think Blackbeard isn't Yonko level when he has arguably the two strongest Devil Fruit powers revealed so far in the series?
It's been said that people who think they are invincible just because of their devil fruits don't make it in the new world . Blackbeard is setting himself for failure, if he is only relying on his devil fruit power.
That doesn't immediately make him "yonko level" we shouldn't scale these characters as if the classes they are in make them equal or close to the same power. Blackbeard is a huge threat to both the world and government so why wouldn't they give him that title? Same with luffy he is the 5th emperor without being even close to the level of big mom, shanks, kaido, etc. You are over generalizing the strength of these characters.
I think its great the way you avoid the spoiler but still explain exactly what happened, great video!
The only thing to remember about op power levels: *GoD Usopp is at the top*
Ya gawd damn right
Uhh... I think you're forgetting Buggy sama who can take on all yonkos at once and put them to shame.
@@sohamparab7436 buggy is up there in the top but there's nothing over GoD
Great video bro!
This isn't just in One Piece others have this problem like e.g. Naruto with Kage level characters. I think people use these terms to try to simplify match ups without having to think about it e.g. Ace > Dolflamingo because of titles with Ace being a Yonko Commander yet we have seen nothing about him that suggests he could beat Doflamingo who according to "power scaling" is lower being a Warlord level character.
The only issue I have with your comment is that warlord level was only a thing for a very short time. After learning of all the warlords it was very clear that they're far apart in power. Mihawk is the main one throwing it all off
@@TheBomberman122 Its just an example that's all don't read too much into it.
Remember dorikis? Oda *did* introduce power levels at some point during the story. Do you know why it was never mentioned again? Because it would have killed One Piece. Same reason why Dragon Ball Z stopped using numbers to calculate power levels after the Freiza Arc, why Toriko gave up quickly on the calorie system, why Naruto let go of quantifying chakra... Once you put a number on strength you become a slave to power levels
Oda was trolling the fans
To get doriki you need to kick poor fukuru it is just how much strong your kick than normal human
It doesn't consider devil fruit
It Only take in consideration of pure physical strength
Busta call: top 5 worst filler arcs
Please don't hurt GLR like that. Think about his bloodpressure.
Every filler arc is the worst filler arc except G8
@@Barnakel except G8
*laughs in long ring long land.*
@@oleksandrbyelyenko435 to be fair, I found G8 quite enjoyable
Thank you. This is exactly what I have been thinking! I've always thought the power scaling people talk about was completely pointless.
Zoro and Luffy have never seen Apoo’s ability, right? It would make sense then that he was able to do some damage to them as they were unprepared for what Apoo can do
Imagine people getting upset because of what is effectively a sucker punch. They acting like he solo'd them by himself and they can't fight anymore/are dead...when in reality they shrugged it off and continued with their business after a brief "the fuck was that!??!!?" lol.
I mean shit, Nami does more lasting damage to Luffy whenever he says/does something dumb. Which is a lot.
Amen. There's so many people that should watch this, seriously.
You didn't touch upon this, but there's also another hilarious example of power-scaling generalization; the First Yonko Commander Level, Second Yonko Commander Level and Third Yonko Commander Level. It's probably the most hilarious system powerscaling folks have come up with; the first real Yonko structure we came along was BigMom's, and since she has 3 Sweet Commanders, people now uses this method to evaluate each crew. The fact that they are called "Commanders" comes from this, despite them being called Calamities/All Stars in Kaido's crew, Titanic Captains in Blackbeard's, and who knows what in Shanks's.
What's hilarious is that, by this metric, Blackbeard's crew and Whitebeard's crew are automatically exceptions, as they have tens and more of them. And again, I love the fact that by doing this people forget that BigMom used to have 4 Commanders as well.
It creates this discussion within the community in which "this character is 2nd Yonko Commander Level", but this one is "1st Yonko Commander Level". It's quite funny, because if you stop for a second and think "What does that even mean?", you'll see that it doesn't work. Most people refer to "3rd YC Level" as "Cracker's level". But Jack in the Beast Pirates is the equivalent of 3rd YC, but people say he's stronger than Smoothie, who is a 2nd YC. When Queen's bounty came along, people thought he was stronger than Katakuri: as he's considered "1st YC level", does this mean that Queen is... what, exactly? This is the issue. Let's put it in another way; Apoo is a Headliner in the Beast Pirates crew. Holdem is a Headliner in the Beast Pirates crew. Does this mean that there is a "Headliner level"? As soon as the Flying Six came into the picture, people started saying "They are the equivalent of the Veterans from the BigMom Family". Who the hell are these Veterans? There is NO VETERAN TITLE in the BigMom Family! Daifuku and Oven have the exact same titles as Compote, Amande and Opera. There is no title distinction in the BigMom Pirates, but since people think that Persopero, Oven and Daifuku are a cut above the rest, they call them the "BigMom Veterans" - including Snack who apparently, since he lost the YC title before we even met him, he automatically has lost power levels right from the get go.
At the end of the day, the only decent "level" is indeed Admiral Level, for the simple fact that Admirals are chosen through a drafting process, meant to evaluate their power; if you're strong enough, you become an admiral. But even Vice Admirals are wildly different; just see Vergo and Smoker.
At the end of the day, people would live much better lives if they just thought about the series and not about power levels. Now, don't get me wrong; POWERSCALING is important, but only as far as "power feeling" is concerned. It's relevant to realize that Kaido is insanely powerful, and that Luffy can't beat him. But this is all it amounts to.
TLDR: Just read JoJo, and you'll realize power levels as commonly regarded in the Shonen Manga community are complete bullshit
goodness I dont think iv ever been this early on a video this makes staying awake all night worth it . . . I guess
Go sleep u schmuck
@@threeamigos5790 hahaha I work up at 3PM to this comment I am a schmuck
If One Piece needs some kind of "power system", I would say that there are 3 categories that may or may not work: Mentality, Experience, and Support.
Mentality
-Can be a way of judging one character's potential of having haki, and how strong their haki would be. But it could also show the amount of tenacity they have to keep fighting and win a seemingly impossible fight. Probably can also show the flaws of the individual. If the individual has a devil fruit, it could probably show on how flexible their mind is to use their devil fruit to it's greatest potential and then some.
Experience
-Basically speaks for itself TBH. The more fights you take part of, the more overall experience you will have, and the tougher the fight, the more experience you gain from that fight. Can also helps with making new techniques for your devil fruit if you have one, and increasing the potency of your haki.
Support
-The strength and the amount of people you have in your crew, and how much they support and trust the captain and their crewmates. The more people in your crew, and the more allies you have, the more overall support you have. (Think of it as a guild or a party in MMORPGs)
I don't know if this works at all, but it's just they way I think of it.
6:00 crocodile is downplayed a lot but I feel like he is not that weaker than doffy
Pixel Smile yeah? And when did doffy kill luffy twice, eh? Why don’t you just answer that for me...
It was oddly relaxing watching a video with a proper discussion or “power levels” in One Piece
This means the armored stonefish that almost took out Luffy is Yonko Level
sigh
Now this is pure and unique content!
yonko level can only be used for two characters big mom and kaido so whenever i hear yonko level i think of these two but all yonkos are not the same
yonko level scales to all the yonko as they are supposed to be the biggest baddest pirates in the world in a shonen action series
@@hrafnknutsson2859 No they do not, they are not all the same level. This was proven when Shanks became a Yonko 6 years ago. Are you saying Shanks equals Big Mom when she has been a Yonko way longer? Experience matters more my guy.
@@Sacredix luffy became strong enough to beat two of big moms commanders, and he started a little over two years ago and is 19 and katakuri has been a pirate all his life and is 48, so yeah I think shanks is the same level as big mom
I Think most people who use Yonko, admiral, warlord and commandor level are aware that there are more nuances to it - we just like to use the term as a way to get a sense of the leauge of power - you can't be a admiral who'd get stomped by anyone weaker than Jinbei while on guard- we're still fully aware of the spectrum within the league.
Wait you underesitmat grand line review my power level is over 9000 i already subscribed
The only power scaling that feels right is yonko>admiral>yonko commander. Because I'm tired of people waking on the admirals, when if they were enough to strong the marine wouldn't have needed the shibukai. WB was weak and sick and was a pre-timeskip fight
the how about Sugar? Is she Yonko level? Pirate king level? her ability is really strong
Counter Point: That round zipper-mouth dude at Enies Lobby measured "Power Levels", so clearly, this applies to every single character in the entire franchise.
/s
I hated seeing recommended discussions on why recent events made this supernova yonko level..
God Usopp will always be Supreme Yonko level though
When people say “Yonkou level” they really just mean is someone strong enough to fight toe to toe with any of the Yonkou’s, excluding Luffy. Even Garp and BB said it was too early for Luffy, meaning that while Luffy has the title, he wasn’t strong enough to hold it’s mantle. If he want to continue on, he has to become stronger. This war at Wano will cement him as a Yonkou even the higher ups have to respect
Rolando Gerola I’m not sure exactly what your saying but fights very different marathons. Better fighters lose to worse ones all the time (even in a marathon, the your time can significantly vary depending on how you’re feeling). The strongest opponent doesn’t always win. Yonko level is just a loose term. All it really means is, could a fighter go toe to toe with BB, Kaido, Big Mom, or Shanks. I’m not a fan of the term b/c we don’t know any of their strength, but by portrayal we all know there aren’t many people on that level. It’s just a guess on what level the strongest people are on, similar to when Mihawk wanted to see the gap between him and the “strongest man”. If you wan’t, you can just replace “Yonkou level” with “S-Tier”. S-Tiers would almost always defeat A tiers. A tiers would almost always defeat B-Tiers and so on. No Supernova can take on a Yonkou rn. No Vice admiral (besides Garp) can take on an Admiral. No one can take on Buggy. It’s all just people having fun guessing. As long as you can recognize your probably wrong in your power list it doesn’t really matter🤷🏾♂️
@Rolando Gerola yonko level is a real level. Call it toxic if you want. But it is a level. Now with warlords yes theres no warlord level because the differences are too great but with yonko they are all around the same level. This whole "blackbeard is too weak so the gap is too wide" is complete bullshit. I believe blackbeard to be the strongest yonko either right now or as soon as Wano is over, he commands two amazing devil fruits (which we have never seen up to this point) and has had two years to train with them. I dont understand why people are underestimating him.
@Rolando Gerola Well Luffy will almost always be the exception. That doesn't make Yonko level not exist. That's why we say people like Kidd just don't have plot protection like Luffy will always get. I mean all Yonkos confirm Luffy isn't at that level. Luffy could easily like Urouge had another opponent beat him after. Point is luffy is an exception
This man spitting straight FACTS! GrandLineReview is at least Yonko Level OP TH-camr
My Power Level is: *SUUUPER~*
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If you ever play rock paper scissors with a powerscaler, be prepared for him to explain how a rock is actually much stronger than paper and that paper is barely even finger level
Yo paper is clearly higher than finger level, papercuts on the tip of your fingers are nightmares
In my opinion Yonko Level does exist but more like "Yonkos are at least about this strong" than "All Yonkos are around this level" for two reasons:
1. Yonkos are determined by their influence on the world, particularly the grandline. You can't get enough influence, territory and enough fear around your name to become a Yonko without a certain level of strength.
2. A more meta reason is that these are Luffy's last enemies. You won't have Luffy's final battle be him vs someone who is around Don Kreig's level. This is a shonen even though intelligence would normally matter, it comes down to strength and actual combat in most shonen.
I feel the same way about commander level just on a smaller scale and more crew based than the entirety of the grandline. But I do agree that it extremeley broad and not the best way to judge a character's power.
Matchups do matter also but at the same time, strength is just as important. Daz Bones is not besting current luffy because his debil fruit would be Luffy's counter.
Another good example here would be how Magellan basically one-shotted the entire Blackbeard crew (bar Shiryu ofcourse, who saved them). Yes Magellan is a beast and yes Blackbeard did not have WB‘s fruit yet BUT Magellan beating the entire crew of Blackbeard would be absurde. So this happened and still nobody says Magellan> (pre TS) Blackbeard. I guess powerscaling will always be closely tied to having a preference for certain characters.
Idk what fanbase you've been talking to or what you've been reading but everyone has been saying Magellan is a monster and was way stronger than blackbeard pre time skip. He even fought all the level 6 prisoners by himself. If he didnt hold back he would've killed everyone prisoner with his ability. So idk what you're talking about
King of Lightning needs to watch and study this Video EXPEDITIOUSLY & AGGRESSIVELY
Masterpiece vid! Nothing turns me off quicker than OP powerscaling tirades.
I'm not really sure what is the appeal of measuring power levels, maybe because I'm not a dbz fan.
Shonen in general
It’s just stats. There’s a fun to comparing stats like in baseball cards and stuff like that. It’s fun to guess numbers that are accurate.
Freudian explanation:
They have a small D and their insecurity reflect on numbers they only want big numbers and that´s why when someone says that a shonen character is strong they inmediatly talk about Goku fucking everyone... and get suuuuuper mad when he was hurt by a bullet on Super, even if that make a only scratch.
It's a special brand of autism that I'm guilty of. People like to know where characters stand in the world, for example could post-timeskip Nami take on Arlong? Those kinds of what-ifs are fun to think about.
Great video dude
I do really enjoy power scaling because i like thinking about how fights would play out but I like to think I'm not as bad as most, like when the spoiler think happened last chapter I was happy because its really interesting and cool
Arguing on the Internet is not fun because 99% of the time the other person won't listen to your points, I've seen it a million times
So how about Usopp and Buggy being in GOD level
That is an undisputed fact
Its actually Diety Level.
I like watching those discussions for the drama NGL. Everyone always has strange head cannon and I love it
For the most part, this sounded more like a list of complaints than a discussion topic.
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Agree wholeheartedly man. They seem to forget what makes One Piece great in the first place! It's so weird. Also, people hate it when predictable things happen (a certain O-Lin's amnesia), they hate it when unpredictable things happen (a certain samurai wrecking yamato's dad). I don't even get what they want!