Whilst I didn't like the Grand Inquisitor getting a lightsaber to the chest I think from a story point it will give Vader a reason to step in and would also give us a reason to go to the Inquisitor base. I can't lie, I hope reva gets killed by either the Grand Inquisitor when he's healed or Vader kills her for her disobedience
I hope Vader does the Job he has multiple reasons, killing her. Especially her knowing he is Anakin is one of them. Really want to see the fear in her when he does so
I love how Ewan has actually said in interviews that he was legitimately terrified when he was first in a scene with Hayden in the Vader suit because he's so imposing. I hope he portrays that fear in the show. Lucasfilm have done an awesome job of making Vader appear terrifying to others, especially Jedi, in Rebels, Rogue One and Fallen Order - this show has to be the pinnacle of that.
@@tomclaydon92 i just watched the episode. The portrayal was great, but Vader was just so weak.... It's really weird. Obi wan just has a death star worth of plot Armour
I entirely agree obi wan has spent 10 years in a desert using no force abilities or his light saber. Whereas vader has spent the last 10 years hunting jedi and using his abilities constantly. Plus obi wan will be holding back due to his regret
Why would obi wan hold back lol because if he holds back then he will just die because vader/anakin has literally become so powerful so obi wan will need to fight back if he is gonna survive since vader will be at his peak prime form as hayden described vader in the obi wan series as “driven, vengeful and unstoppable”.
@@roveltz Because he loves Anakin and when Qui Gon will communicate with him and give him a sense of assurance and guidance - thats why he holds bak lol. worst comment and idea ever. lol lol
@@carn1fex_ well we saw in the battle of mustafar that obi wan loved anakin and he still fought him and cut his limbs off so is this what you call love 💀 Darth Vader for sure will try to get revenge this time round but we will see what happens but obi wan will still survive tho he probably will escape from vader without being injured because obi wan was obviously alive when we saw him with 19 yr old luke as a healthy old man so yh
@@roveltz Ob1 would definitely hold back if he knows it was Anakin. Like he did in the first fight, he doesn't wanna kill Vader. The thing he probably wishes he could do most in the galaxy is just reason with him. That's why Kenobi was on the defensive in their duels. Kenobi was holding back. Which should've gave Anakin the edge, but Anakin was just too stupidly full of himself. Obi-wan held back in the first duel. Didn't die. Matter of fact, most Jedi hold back in their duels so it shouldn't be surprising. Jedi are supposed to have restraint.
I really hope there’s an almost Rogue One scene. Where Obi is trying to speak to Anakin and reach the light inside him and Vader just unleashes a barrage of overhand swings to which Obi can only barley block and knocks him to the ground and to the walls etc. Maybe an epic one liner from Vader but I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t say anything and just saw Red as it where.
That be cool, but this is a dark ass Vader I wanna see him try to unleash everything. Force powers, light savers, using the suit to his advantage and just screams and anger and full blind rage is where I want to go with it
The concept that they will fight twice during the Kenobi series makes sense. They obviously want to show the prowess of Vader, but based on the controversy of them fighting at all during this series relative to their dialog in A New Hope… they basically need to leave things in such a way that Vader considers himself to be “but a learner”. The only way I can see that being upheld is by Kenobi scoring a decisive victory over him by the time this series ends.
@@HJD_10 “half machine”? So? Sounds like you don’t know much about vader if you think obi wan even has a chance. This is PEAK vader. Hayden already said this is vader in his prime. His force powers? Dude you’re just saying random bullshit rn Lmao vader is so much stronger in the force than obi wan. Even peak obi wan wouldn’t be able to defeat vader. A washed obi wan rn vs prime vader doesn’t stand a chance.
@@zampy8706 obi wan might reach his prime in this series after he reunites with the source. I don’t know for sure but im pretty sure the dark side anakin we saw in revenge of the Sith is more powerful then Vader.
I also think kenobi will concede a big defeat the first time he duels with vader, coming not from a place of "fighting mentality" but love and hope as you said. Maybe his defeat will lead quigon to finally commune with him after which kenobi might go through the regrouping phase. I hope there is a second duel.
That is sort of what I was thinking. Most simplest terms, They’ll fight, Kenobi will attempt to get through to Anakin once again, and fail again. Kenobi then realizes HE didn’t fail, and that Anakin is truly lost (for now) and he’ll come back around to his ways, and finally communicate with Jinn.
Is it possible that Qui-Gon might say “Anakin!” Mid fight just before Vader goes to end Kenobi? That would even startle Vader enough for Kenobi to escape
Really don't like this idea. It would undermine the line "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine" Just don't want vader to know the will can survive beyond death.
@@chungyang9925 Vader has heard qui gon though, he just didn't understand. If you read brotherhood. Novel anakin always heard qui gon even in ep 2. Nothing changes him hearing it here
I think obi wan will try to bring Anakin back, as vader says to Luke " Obi wan once thought as you do", in revenge of the sith Obi wan just wanted to destroy the sith, so it implies that at some point Obi wan will think the same way as Luke in ep. VI and will try that Ankin come with him, but will fail and vader will show him that all its left is anger,as Obi wan says " He is more a machine now", so clearly he will fail, and realise that Anakin is dead and that's what he tell Luke, because he really thought Anakin was dead after the duel that will happen in this show. yeah i think Qui Gon will teach Obi wan the imortality path and will give hope to Obi wan. In ep. iV we see a confident, powerfull Obi wan far away from this version, so the next 10 years will make obi wan one of the most powerful jedi ever lived.
That's a very good point. I never realized it with that line in ROTJ. I wonder what Vader meant in ANH by saying "When *I left you* I was but the *learner*, now I am the master." Vader didn't left him on Mustafar, it was the other way around. Maybe he meant the fact he left Kenobi for Sidious? But Anakin was no longer his padawan at that point, they became "brothers" in Clone Wars 2003 (no longer canon but I think it still fits in canon). So I think Vader was talking about something that will be shown in Kenobi series. Maybe Vader will learn something from Obi-Wan? Idk.
I think mentioning Padme’s last words to Kenobi to Vader would be perfect for that. If that fails, that would better convince Kenobi as to why Anakin couldn’t be redeemed after that and to better match up with that ROTJ line. It would need to fail since it would remind Vader of the awful things he did to save her and it being all for nothing since she died because of him. Then there’s how he wouldn’t be able to let go off the hatred he has for Kenobi.
To be honest, it’s entirely possible that Obi-Wan realizes that he cannot out duel Vader. No matter how much Kenobi trains or meditates, he may realize (possibly through Qui-Gon) that Luke is what matters now. That it’s Luke’s destiny to contend with Vader, not Obi-Wan. It sort of makes sense that when Obi-Wan looks at Luke in Episode 4 just before he is struck down by Vader, he understands that is the moment his mission to protect Luke physically is over. Luke is going to escape. Kenobi realizes he’s more valuable to Luke as a force ghost and mentor that a guardian. Kenobi knows Luke needs to go to Yoda and that Obi-Wan’s protection mission is complete. Vader is probably only mildly conflicted about Obi-Wan. He probably has some feeling towards him, but it’s shadowed by anger. Luke, on the other hand, is totally different. Luke is an extension of Anakin’s love with Padme, and that’s what will definitely (clearly) give Vader pause. Vader has no reason to hate Luke. Actually the opposite. Maybe Qui-Gon will help Obi-Wan to understand that Obi-Wan’s peace and healing also has to flow through Luke.
I actually really like this alot and it makes sense. In my mind it’s just hard for me to conceivably see a well adjusted and well on his way Vader, lose to Kenobi. I understand Kenobi is great, but Vader should be on just another level by then that only Palpatine, Yoda, or someone like Luke/Leia can contend with
I think it makes more sense the other way around though with Kenobi not matching Vader’s power but can still outduel him. That fits more with why Vader is a lot more careful when he’s fighting Obi-Wan. He wants to best Kenobi in an actual duel.
I feel like it would be good for Kenobi to be crushed in the first duel as he is very broken and basically a void of hope. I think in the next fight he will get destroyed, but maybe Qui Gon speaks to him and he goes and SLAYS like OBI WAN KENOBI!
@@brynstarkiller7419 Why should he win? It doesn't make sense to me. I don't like watching them fight at all, but if they do it at least needs to make some sende - where Vader crushes him. Or let it be a draw, I can't buy this Kenobi beating Vader.
Well, there is the line in ROTJ where Vader tells Luke, "Obi-Wan once thought as you do." I think you're spot on about Obi trying to turn Ani back to the light and getting that hope thrashed out of him.
I think the entire series should be based around Obi-Wan finding himself and his abilities again, and the climax should be the fight with Vader. In A New Hope, Vader says "a presence I haven't felt since....." meaning their most recent duel, must have ended in something climactic.
He also said "last we met I was the pupil, now I am the master" implying that he was Obi-Wan's student when they last met, and he was now a Sith master." Although it could be re-interpreted as being he was the Sith pupil...
@@hawx-30if obi-wan loses it could even mean that when they last met obi-wan saw him as his pupil and now after his lost obi-wan has to acknowledge him as the master.
@The Weavile yeah obi wan closed himself to the force, so he had to open up again, the inquisitors were at a few meters from him in tatooin and didn't felt him, and Riva felt Obi wan now after he saved Leia so did Vader, When you connect to the force you leave a "finger print" that can be felt by other force users, and vader and Riva begin to fell Obi wan again
@The Weavile no way. In rebels maul can fight the inquisitors in a 1vs3 and win and obi wan defeated maul twice. Admittedly this occurs later in the time line but if anything obi wan should be even weaker than he is now at that point as he's older and has spent even more time using little force and light saber combat. Obi wan beats reva
Since moses was in press everywhere with ewan and hayden, her character is most likely considered an important one and i doubt that shell be killed off before 6
@@jimmyjoyce3554 it's literally going to happen 10 years later. He literally cut off himself from the force how the heck can he face Jedi killers? Your hate blinds you.
It's so weird to me that some people don't even want Kenobi and Vader to clash because it would not be considered canon cus they only duel in a new hope.
It wouldn't be weird if you had an inkling of respect to George Lucas or the story he created? People have been playing in the sandbox for nearly 40 years without stepping on the toes of canon. Disney comes in and starts stomping immediately. One piece of canon after another. Things that people loved about the story gets changed easily to this and that with seemingly little thought or skill applied to the writing. That is probably why people are so apprehensive to them monkeying around in G-Canon so much ( because they, Disney, don't care about canon (no matter the IP)).
@@Jordie_42 it does not imo. it makes it much more impactful because in a new hope obi wan recognizes the suit and knows who vader is immediately. I always didnt like that, and when people explain it "ahhhhh he felt him in the force" thats bologna lol. I think this makes that encounter way better and makes it make so much more sense.
@@imvellyy Someone gets it. Kenobi does not seem fazed that Anikan is in that suit. He even goes as far as being a troll to call him 'Darth'- seeing he had tendencies for one liners in the PT and TCW. Based on his reaction in ANH, he faced Vader before. The writers just have to do some fancy footwork around some dialogue so they dont butcher continunity.
Why ?, In episode 3 Obiwan still call Vader as Anakin in their duel but when episode 4 duel he only call him as Vader "master of evil" . In this series Obiwan still call him as Anakin, there's must be something made Obiwan totally give up on Anakin.
I love how passionate you are about Star Wars, it’s amazing the well of knowledge you have. Every time you mention a book I have to go buy it cause I am like “I have to know!”
@The Weavile Master the dark side is a stretch. If anyone mastered the dark side, it was Palpatine. Everyone else is just a pawn who he only taught what he allowed them to know.
Dude thanks for your perspective. It has me even more hyped for their first encounter even more now. Didn't think it was possible to get me more hyped than I already was. But here we are. I love discussions like this that provoke creative thinking in theorizing how things may or may not play out. As usual really I liked the video man! Keep it up!
Love the discussion about how many “adjustments” Anakin had to make after his transformation. It’s hard to imagine the menacing, in-control monster from A New Hope was ever anything but menacing and in control, but clearly that’s not realistic. I suspect that some of that may be addressed in this upcoming episode…at least I hope that it is.
I just don't want them to ruin the line 'when i left you i was but a learner, now i am the master'.....that line needs to persist and make sense. Also, 'we meet again at last' implies a long overdue meeting, if they write this properly that could have significant impact.
1st off I want to thank you for all your content. Its well thought out and I enjoy your take on things. It's awesome to hear other peoples perspective and I love that you pull from the graphic novels and comic. I haven't read all of them and the few I do own I've never opened. I grew up with the OG saga but I also read all the novels so I actually liked the prequels for the fact I was a little older and I was able to fallow the political nuances in EP 1 and 2. I also understood Anickens story character arc. I could relate to the clone wars and parts of EP3 as I spent the last 23 years in the USMC. During my down time on ship I would read the books. It took me about 8 years to read them all just in time for the re-release of the OG saga and the prequels. I felt I had a lot of knowledge on SW in my brain housing group. I also played all the games. I found my self explaining the prequals to my friends who were casual fans ie. fans that only watch the movies. Right now I'm starting to read the novels that came out after the Disney perches. Anyway I was hoping to get your take on the SW Skeleton Crew coming out next year with Judd Law. Or if you heard anything about it?
I think a line from Obi-Wan as hes on his knees "what would Padme think of you now" might just cause the moments hesitation from Vader that Obi-Wan needs in the first duel to escape. I think you right he'll get pummelled the first round and that will be Obi-Wan's wake up that Anakin is gone and galvanize Obi-Wan for round two. Maybe see a 6month time jump for Obi-Wan to actually go train.
I think it would be great and emotional if Obi-Wan tells Vader about Padme’s last words to him to try redeeming him one last time before he fully believes Anakin can never return to the light. It better match up with Vader’s quote in ROTJ where he tells Luke that Obi-Wan once thought as he did. Vader would need to refuse or believe he’s cannot be redeemed because mentioning Padme would just remind him of every awful thing he did to save her and how it was all for nothing along with Vader not being able to let go off the hatred he has for Obi-Wan.
Are you people dumb? Vader says to Obi-Wan in a New Hope that THE LAST TIME WE MET I WAS THE STUDENT. ???? Are we just gonna pretend that didn't happen?
"Your powers are weak, old man!" -- I think if they logically connect this reunion with Ep IV, then Vader will have to see Obi-Wan now with a relatively normal sense of his powers compared to the final duel. There's no way Vader will just let him leave without having to use his powers to defend himself and escape. Luke cut himself off from the Force, but then was able to reconnect. Obi-Wan just needs a little time and reflection. I think if Qui-Gon does finally answer him, it will be to help him find the focus to fully remember and revive his connection to the Force.
Yup 💯 Agree with you General Theory I think Obi Wan is going to try and bring Anakin back unfortunately for him This is Vader now🌋 "Obi Wan once thought as you You don't know the power of the Darkside!" Vader said to Luke in ROTJ, So yup Obi is probably going to get wrecked and Qui Gon ⚡💚 Return's to complete he's training to become Old Ben Kenobi we see in Rebels 🎇 Looking forward to what's next
It wouldn't make sense to have them fight at all. But instead have them meet and Obi Wan try and talk to him, but Vader some how just destroying him with the force, instead of a duel, and I will explain why in a second. However, if they do make them fight, it would make sense to have 2 different fights in which Obi wan wins the second time. And it all has to do with this line from a new hope: "I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, but now I am the master."
Tbh, it DOES make more sense that Obi-Wan shouldn’t have to fight Vader, but if he absolutely has to, maybe he’s able to confuse Vader. Make him doubt for even a minute what he’s doing. Maybe a Jedi/padawan moment where Vader simply thinks about what he’s doing, giving Obi-Wan a chance to escape. At this point, I personally don’t think Obi-Wan is a match for Vader on a good day. Kenobi has to realize that dealing with Vader is now Luke’s destiny. Obi-Wan will hopefully realize (maybe through Qui-Gon) that the way to possibly turn or defeat Vader is through Luke.
I think in the first duel I’d like to see some panick kick into Kenobi as Vader is attacking him but since Vader is finalizing his adjustment to his robotic body I think Kenobi would have atleast some room to try and counter-attack with all his rustiness and just barely evade Vader
@@housesports000 did you even see Vader in fallen order? That’s literally only 5 years after revenge of the sith and he demolished everyone This takes place 10 years after revenge of the sith You bet your ass he’s gonna beat em up
@@TheHolySacred-Cow reva is not real sith and inquisitor. she's just mad full of hate dark jedi bcuz she is so blinded by revenge and hate , even sith wasnt this stupid and reckless
Does it even make sense for Obi and Vader to meet? To quote Vader from Ep. 4: "When I left you I was but the leaner, now *I* am the master". This should be referring to the time when Anakin was still Obiwan‘s student. They could turn this around by saying that by "learner" he meant that he was still weak and a leaner of the sith way when he met Obiwan during the Kenobi-series
Remember what Vader said in EP4: "When I left you, I was but a learner...". In my opinion, this line implies that he either lost or, at least, tied in his last fight with Obi Wan since then. If they still care at all about continuity, Vader can't win.
Actually it could imply that Vader completely demolished Kenobi, only to leave him alive out of spite. As a threat, that makes it work. "When I kicked your ass last time, I'd just barely begun to learn about my new powers."
To outsmart him would be to beat him...Vader could be more powerful, but a smarter fighter can beat a stronger appointment, depending on how much smarter they are. So that would still be considered beating him.
@Rough Collies Rock Even if you count Mustafar, the line wouldn't make sense if Vader beats him in both duels here. Because the second duel should be the last time they see each other until a New Hope.
@@AlexFarleyMusic According to real world logic in actual fights. Also according to Obi-wan and Vader's first duel in episode 3. Vader was more powerful, but he became so arrogant that he made dumb decisions in the fight, which lead to his downfall. Because Kenobi stayed smart, kept a cooler head and got an opening.
I disagree Vader is meant to be calm, ruthless but mostly calculative Anakin is a genius stragetist Vader is the same person and combined with his attitude ever since he became a sith he should be the one to outsmart obi wan not the opposite.
Hopefully Reva is killed by Kenobi, who is angry at himself for breaking the Jedi code, or Vader, which would increase our perception of him as a person who is completely lost in the dark side.
I think Reva is the one of the younglings from the beginning and the reason she hates Kenobi so much is because she holds him accountable for Anakin crashing out.
I was thinking that as well, maybe she was hiding when Kenobi and Yoda put the call out to not return this feeling betrayed. I also wonder if the guy who seemed out Kenobi then died was one of those kids in the beginning also, hiding in a different area but didn’t know about the signal to not return so he didn’t feel betrayed by the Jedi.
I have a feeling Vader is about to kill Obi wan and Reva somehow gets in the way either wanting to stop vader or kill Kenobi herself therefore allowing Obiwan to escape and giving even more reason for Vader to kill Reva off
ive seen people say this will ruin a new hope for them. but this makes it much better for me. Ben recognizes vaders suit and everything about him in a new hope. he never mentions or asks whats with the suit, he just continues on. I always wanted that explained better and personally I think this would be the BEST way to explain it.
I dont see how Vader and Kenobi meet again. In a New Hope they said "I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, but now I am the master." This indicates to me that this is their first meeting since Mustafar. I suppose you could say "we meet again" as in we've met a few times, but to me that means the first time since Mustafar.
I've said it in a previous video. Vader loses for me, hence the line "when I met you I was but the learner, now I am the master". That is referring to himself as a Sith Lord. He is not referring to himself as Anakin, because Anakin was not a Padawon at that point. Alternatively, Obi Wan will try to rescue him, that is a given. Vader to Luke "Obi Wan, once thought as you do" That was on the Death Star when Luke wanted to turn him back. So one of two things will happen: 1. Obi Wan beats him, Vader is full of rage as he has not mastered the ways of the Sith (Machine limitations etc) 2. Vader is still not fully evil at this point, feels weakness and allows Obi Wan to escape. He vows to never let the light surface again in the future. Hence, he was the learner and that good in him surfaced, just like it did for Luke.
Really hoping for the final fight, Kenobi busts out both his, and Anakin's lightsaber to take Vader down. Something spectacular has to happen for Vader to tell Kenobi that when he last left him he was but a learner in A New Hope. What would be even crazier is if Ahsoka was the one that had to train Kenobi in duel wielding blades, but that would probably be too much. Also shout out to the guy who still wants Plo Koon to be alive. That would be interesting if they had to team up or something using Force Judgement to keep Vader at bay.
Hey Theory & SW community, love the videos! In Episode 4 Vader says “when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master” before their duel on the Death Star. I feel like this implies that the last time they met would have been on Mustafar, however now that they fight in Kenobi, and Vader is much more powerful than Obi-Wan, this line from Vader makes much less sense. What do you think about this, would love to hear if you have an explanation :)
I guess what I think of is their dual in a new Hope where Vader says “I was by the learner now I am the master”. This means in my eyes that obi one wins at their last interaction. So Vader beat obi-wan technically in this first dual in Kenobi series, do they fight once more and Obi-Wan destroys Vader or do they fight a third time in the Kenobi series. We will have to wait and see loving series so far.
Yeah I feel like Obi-Wan is definitely going to try to convince Anakin to come back to the light side, which is why Darth Vader tells Luke that “Obi-Wan once thought like you do” when Luke was trying to convince him that there was still good in him in Return of the Jedi. Because he definitely wasn’t thinking like Luke when he confronted Anakin on Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith lol
"I've been waiting for you Obi-Wan....we meet again at last. The circle is now complete, when I left you I was but the learner...now I am the master." From that very important quote which we hear in ANH...it sounds like Vader will have much conflict which I believe Obi-Wan will sense and play on. I believe Obi-Wan and Vader will fight a 2nd time in the show and the fight will come to a stalemate where Vader is forced to leave Obi-Wan due to some event that could kill Vader (think planet exploding, lava flow...something). That would tie it up nicely towards the quote Vader gives Obi in ANH.
The only thing that I don’t like about this rematch between is that we know Vader cannot seriously harm Kenobi in their fight even if he wins because we know from A New Hope that Obi Wan somehow escapes the fight pretty much intact. This means that Vader can’t cut off any of Obi-Wan’s limbs, disfigure him in any major way, or even kill Kenobi cause then that will contradict canon. So it feels like to me the fight won’t have as much stakes as there would be if A New Hope didn’t exist.
I’m here for the dialog between the 2 Since it’s only been 10 years since revenge of the sith and the clone wars show, for the first time I just wanna see how the 2 characters react to each other and what’s gonna be said because it’s a tragic story especially if you’ve followed from the clone wars tv show into the movies etc it’s so so so good It’s why I’m able to overloook the weak characters and other cheesy stuff because I’m Legit here for obi and Vader
We don’t know if he loses a limb tho. Tell me do you ever see ben with a mechanical leg/foot in ANH? It may very well be there, but cus of the clothing you wouldn’t know. Wouldn’t surprise me if they make him lose a foot
If and when they meet during this Kenobi series, I want to know how the line from Star Wars will come into play. If you recall, Vader says to Kenobi before they clash that last time “I was but a learner, now I am the master." This would lead me to believe that Kenobi still has some tricks up his sleeve that he'd be able to use to defeat Vader in an upcoming duel.
I wanna see obi wan go all excited and nervous to meet Vader and hope that he can persuade him to change back to the light side and it will all be this happy ending he thinks it will be but instead Vader listens to obi wan and acts like her cares and listens and listens and then when it comes to Vader speaking, he just acts like nothing that obi wan has said has even left obi wans mouth and opens up a world of Pain. And yeah ur idea of a rocky montage would be genuinely amazing if we get to see obi wan and qui gon breaking their backs training for a finale fight and maybe obi wan wins either physically with the blade or mentally. Either way, I’m so damn excited for the next episodes
@@oXRaptorzXo I might give it a shot when I have an opportunity to watch it for free. But killing off the inquisitor we know and love form Clone Wars only to replace him with an original character is not a good start IMO.
This actually could change the meaning of “last time we faced I was the learner” meaning like “I was learning how to use this new body as my birth to vader” and now he’s the master in terms of having control of his current state
When you lose all your body parts and gotta readjust to being like a whole foot taller, bigger hands, not being able to do all yhe stuff you’ve been doing before (like flips on the daily) ect, i wouldnt be suprised if it took him more than 10 years to be fully “comfortable” in his new body
I feel like reva is going to save obi wan or dearth vadar by dying herself it’s gonna be quite intriguing to see, I hope that vadar is gonna suffer a set back in some form and that’s how he come back in the new hope with op force and strength. Hopefully they stick to it i really enjoyed the first 2 eps!
No way this CAN’T happen. In a new hope, Vader says « when I left I was just the apprentice ». So Vader can’t beat obiwan otherwise it retcons a new hope which will create a frenzy among the fans
I honestly don't think there will be a full Vader and Obi Wan fight. Obi Wan will avoid the fight as best he can, even though his force abilities may be out of practice he is still smart. This is how he always beats his opponents like with Anakin, Maul and Grievous and others he fought he wins generally with luck and wit. I'm guessing Obi Wan turns Reva back to the light given she seems so scorned with him and probably was lied to about him. Once he talks to her and turns her they get confronted by Vader and he kills Reva which allows Obi Wan to escape in the process.
Obi-Wan's lightsaber combat will be way below Vader's. Maybe he can start with weaker inquisitors to get in shape. Force-wise he will be back to his old level quite soon, don't forget it took Luke only a short time to force project himself halfway through the galaxy.
@@zampy8706 I'm not saying he'll reach Luke's level, only that he'll regain his force powers quickly. Besides this, obi want got trained by the best jedi form childhood on, Luke got trained by books, holocrons and an elderly alien.
I'm not entirely sure there has to be a duel. There most likely will be one but, it doesn't have to happen. It could be that they just see each other briefly on account of what ever crazy crap might happen.
@@SledgehammerEditing Darth Vader: [as Obi-Wan finds him and ignites lightsaber] I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, but now I am the master. - Actual Dialogue from New Hope, Vader could be implying he meets again with Vader not Anakin. Vader no longer sees himself as Anakin and so its another meeting between Obi Wan and Anakin. They most certainly need to fight and Vader is going to win. Vader may be referring to being the master of the force and the dark side where he was once a learner of the dark side. Something like that and it gives open space for any interpretation we and Lucas film may deem necessary to fill in blanks.
The whole series already leaked on torrent. Only 6 episodes. Obi-Wan and Darth fight twice. In episode 4 for 3-4 mins with Vader winning and in Episode 6 for just shy of 8 mins with Obi-Wan winning. Vader kills Reva towards the end because she lied to him and said she killed Obi-Wan.
Not sure how all this will mesh with Vader’s line in ANH “When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master.” I guess you could say that Anakin “left” him earlier, but that line pretty much implies that the duel on the Death Star was the first time Kenobi would have seen Vader as the “master”. I don’t know, I have a feeling that I will feel there is a continuity issue unless they really stick the landing on this.
Wait darth Vader’s first meet up as we think… obi wan didn’t react at all to the suit on him . He didn’t even consider the fact he used to just be human now is in a dark black big suit
I think it was a Anakin moment where he always has to say something slick "My powers have doubled since the last time we met count." Not something that really means anything but to distract and destroys the opponent ego. at least that's how I see it
I think no matter what happens in the show, I'm not going to get bent out of shape. There was genuine work put into this production and so far I am enjoying every second of it. We can all write off these minor things
Bruh Kenobi could barley catch that little girl I swear if Disney gives us some wack fight scenes of Kenobi over powering Vader I’ma be pissed but not surprised knowing Disney.
Darth vader can better utilize the darkside at this time, unlike before when he and kenobi first dueled, and kenobi's lightside powers shouldn't be able to even sting lord vader. Kenobi was hesitate to fight the 3rd sister, because of his ring rust, so he wouldn't be confident enough to take on vader.
@@detroitmiracle1797 lol, kenobi spared him once and he let him beat him the other time to become a force ghost for Luke... Vader never stood a chance against him, but fans will cry when he'll eventually stomp vader in this show, even tho vader explicitly said "I'm more powerful than the last time we dueled" implying that the last time he dueled kenobi won or maximum a draw happened
One thing that I don't see anyone talk about is how did this broken Obi Wan who can barely use the Force was able to one shot Darth Maul in Rebels? I mean sure Darth Maul was tired and crazy in Rebels too but he could still use the Force just fine and his lightsaber skills were intact as he was fighting the Inquisitors with zero difficulty.
Remember in ROTJ Vader to Luke “Obi-Wan once thought as you did”. Meaning that he could be saved. Also in ANH during the duel, “when last we met I was but a learner. Now I am a master”. If and that is a huge IF since Disney seems to care very little about continuity we could be seeing a very different fight than what we might all be hoping for. We know both Vader and Obi suffer from severe PTSD. I think we all may be very surprised that this wont live up to to the expected duel we all think it may be. This story is to me about Obi-Wan letting go of the past forgiving himself. This show is the catalyst to bring him out of his depression and being the character we all know.
As I watched Kenobi processing the realization that Anakin is alive, my thoughts went to the same place. When given the chance, he will try to turn him back to the light. We know how things inevitably go, but that interaction with a 10 year long hardened Vader will be most interesting to watch. Not to mention Qui-Gon’s thoughts and impressions during this point in the timeline.
Except Vader doesn't. Destroyed = grievously injured such as losing limbs or outright dying, neither of which happens to Ben as we know from ANH. Thus, either Ben wins that second duel, or the inner core of Anakin stops Vader from injuring/killing Ben. This could be the man vs. himself conflict Deborah was alluding to.
We don’t know if he loses a limb tho. Tell me do you ever see ben with a mechanical leg/foot in ANH? It may very well be there, but cus of the clothing you wouldn’t know. Wouldn’t surprise me if they make him lose a foot.
OR the more likely situation is that he will loose the fight right away and gets saved in time like every other fight where one is outmatched but the plot needs him to live.
@@katrose5179 how did maul survive after being cut in half? How did the grand inquisitor survive being stabbed? How did this, how did that.. it’s Star Wars my friend, there will be an explanation. But I don’t think it would be too hard for obi to escape anakin if he has the will to live. I imagine he gains strength at the last second before being struck down or even distracts anakin by (accidentally?) telling him he has a son. Who knows, i just wanna see Vader be ruthless
I loved the episode I enjoyed it! At the end though I would have had Vader walk through the fire with his lightsabre ignited just about to finish Obi Wan, then right at the last second Qui Gon Screams "ANAKIN!" and Vader falls backwards stunned after hearing the voice of his old master and mutters while trembling "Qui Gon?". Vader would be looking for a force ghost of Qui Gon too distracted to finish off Kenobi and while Vader is looking for Qui Gon, Tala would shoot at Vader forcing him to deflect the shots and suddenly Vader remembers, "Kenobi!" He ignites his lightsabre already remembering where Kenobi's body was raises his lightsabre in the air slashes it down AND... Nothing - Kenobi escaped while Vader got distracted. Vader looks around in panic and screams "KENOBI!!"
Back in 1977’ Vader and Obi wan’s first meeting since their battle of heroes on Mustafar is on the Death Star in a new hope But thanks to 40 years of Extended universe and Disney retconning they meet like 50 times
Vader did say the last time he felt a tremor in the Force was in the presence of his former Master. There could be a brief exchange/fight in the series which may not mess with the continuity if done correctly. The continuity has been all over the place in the past, par for the course with SW & lots of other properties.
Obi Wan had known for 10 years Anakin’s Sith name was Darth Vader. He didn’t need Reva to say it. Palpatine calls him Lord Vader in the security footage and Yoda also mentions “The boy you trained, gone he is. Consumed by Darth Vader.” It’s highly unlikely he ever forgot that. So why is everyone mentioning this like somehow he didn’t know or forgot? Reva isn’t telling him things he didn’t know besides Vader’s survival. Somehow in the ten years, Obi Wan totally cut himself off not just from the force but from news. Vader made headlines, even if just through idle rumor. So his shock is just from Vader’s survival. I really didn’t get why the writers had to explain to the audience Vader and Anakin are one in the same.
He was not surprised to hear the name Darth Vader, he was shell shocked hearing the fact that Anakin freaking survived that. Think about it, he watched Anakin basically burn as close to death as possible after he had just cut off his other 3 limbs, set on fire and everything. Who sees all that and thinks that the person would survive at all much less long enough to travel back to the medical bay and get all that work done, Obi-Wan never thought he survived, hence the fear and shock in his face hearing the Vader name again.
Vader is an urban legends before rogue one no one knew he even existed because no non imperial has seen his face and no one could regonize it thrawn figured out on his own that Vader is Anakin does that mean that he's not connected to the news aswell? The shock was that he was alive not that he was Anakin,and reva said it because she wanted to remind him of it to make him even more shacked to the core...reminding him that it's his failure that became Vader.
If you listen to her lines, I don’t think she is EXPLAINING that they are the same person. In fact, she is using both names interchangeably to display that she knows who Vader really is, which is a bit of info that most people in the galaxy don’t know. She might even be doing that to purposefully stoke emotions in Obi-Wan. Reva seems to be a past Jedi padawan, from the intro scene of Order 66 in the first episode of Kenobi. This is probably why she is described as “the least of us” and coming from the gutter. No doubt she had to live on the streets as an orphan, perhaps in the lower levels, after the temple was attacked and occupied. This is a rough life and she probably had to do some unsavory things to survive, a fact that made her more susceptible to turning to the dark side. But this also means she has personal experience and knowledge of both Kenobi and Skywalker, if perhaps only from a distance. Actually, this is could be true for many Inquisitors, since they often were former Jedi. It will be interesting to see which way the writers take this thread. Edit: she seems to be a past Jedi youngling, not a padawan.
As nice as it would be for the writing to only appeal to hardcore fans that know it all, they do have to hype things up and explain things for more casual viewers.. Not everyone has seen ROTS. Star Wars have done it before, so has Marvel I do get though that it does retcon the fact that everyone that finds out his true name gets killed instantly, but I believe we will find out how Reva knows his true identity
I think it will end in a draw because in a new hope they both seem to be passive and if Vader won he would have been much more aggressive on the death star
If Vader kicks Obi’s ass, it will completely invalidate the words spoken in the fight in A New Hope. It wrecks the OT. When last we met I was but the student and you were the master…… now I am the master, only a master of evil
I can't imagine Vader will "destroy" Obi-Wan personally, I think that Vader is apprehensive for a reason in ANH. I'm sure he's some degree stronger in the force and less rusty, but he has many disadvantages going in that Obi-Wan can exploit to squeeze out a W. He's done this so many times with the odds stacked against him and has still come out on top. I think facing Vader again will actually favor obi-wan because it will help with his confidence and restore his faith in the force, leading him to become the Old Ben capable of beating Maul quite easily and training Luke to be capable of defeating his father.
Yoda and Kenobi failed to defeat the Sith. That’s the whole point of Luke being “a new hope”. If Obi Wan was capable of defeating Vader he wouldn’t bother training Luke to fight Vader he’d just finish the job himself. Vader is supposed to be unstoppable. Kenobi will get his butt kicked in their first fight, then probably outsmart him somehow and escape in their second fight.
@@Jordanthomas95 I meant teaching him how to use the force to defeat his father, I agree I don't think Obi-Wan could/would defeat Vader he's too strong. But I probably agree there will be two fights that go down just the way you said.
Kenobi will best anakin again. When they meet in episode 4 vader said “much has changed since we last met ect now i am the master” meaning he knows he will best kenobi. Implying he hadnt yet in the past
I think Vader will crush him physically, emotionally and mentally. I think he will leave him like Obi-wan left him on Mustafar. I think Vader will believe he has killed him in spirit and Obi-wan is so little a threat I don't believe Vader will care if he lives through it. It might be interesting if Reva interrupts the duel and Vader kills her.
yes shes gunna 100 percent do SOMETHING to have vader get her. I can just tell throught the writing. I personally think vader will mishear the name anakin skywalker and lose it.
That's not really in Vader's character. He wants to off Obi-Wan. He doesn't care about letting him suffer. People make Vader out to be more sadistic and less controlled and sophisticated than he really is. He kills Jedi, he doesn't torture them. Unless he needs answers. Even then, he more often than not let's imperial troops do that for him. What you said sounds more like something Maul would do.
i think the empire or at least the inquisitor will try to kill reva for what she did to the grand inquisitor and she escapes. I dont think and hope that she doesn’t interfere with kenobi and vader fight. This is a sacred and personal fight between them i hope it stays that way. But yeah at some point i feel like she gets killed by vader.
@@imvellyy dude Vader got enough reasons to kill her already first of all for finding out his identity then for betraying grand inquisitor and finally for disobeying orders left and right.
This definitely makes sense, but I think a lot of people are worried it ruins the "I was but a learner, now I am the master" line a bit. But I just want a fight 🤷🏼♂️
I think (and kinda hope) that we don't have an actual physical duel between them, but a physiological one. Like when Kylo Ren force connected with Rey. And white that Vader destroys a little bit more of Obi Wan's sanity.
Obi-Wan fights Vader and is about to lose but Reee-va intervenes to save obi-wans life, sacrificing her own so he can escape. She also doesn't kill Luke when she has the chance because of her redemption arc so not only is she the one true savior of luke, but she also saves obi-wan. The force is female now, cope
What REALLY irks me with this series so far is how some things just don't work. If Leia had been rescued by Obi in the past, she wouldn't have started her message to him in ANH with "Years ago you served my father during the clone wars". She would have started with a statement about what happened when she was young. Or how Reva can even be alive and be a member of the Inquisitors if she knows who Vader is and casually mentions it. She could have stopped at saying she worked for Vader and the scene would have worked just the same. Now they can probably write their way out of this, but the only way I'll be satisfied with her character is if Vader snaps her neck when he finds out she knows.
Absolutely love this channel man ❤. Love your take on the speed of the artificial limbs making Anakin slower as Vader - I think the mental and physical pain of rehabilitating with artificial limbs only increases his pain and dark side powers which led to the beast he is shown as in the Rogue one ending, fallen order and Vader in general.
Whilst I didn't like the Grand Inquisitor getting a lightsaber to the chest I think from a story point it will give Vader a reason to step in and would also give us a reason to go to the Inquisitor base. I can't lie, I hope reva gets killed by either the Grand Inquisitor when he's healed or Vader kills her for her disobedience
I hope Vader does the Job he has multiple reasons, killing her. Especially her knowing he is Anakin is one of them. Really want to see the fear in her when he does so
"You have failed me inquisitor"
In the Leaks it says that Vader will kill her
I do think Reva will get killed either by Vader or The Fifth Brother due to her attitude and authority problem
@@linusvr2873 what was the reason for you spoiling it now?
I love how Ewan has actually said in interviews that he was legitimately terrified when he was first in a scene with Hayden in the Vader suit because he's so imposing. I hope he portrays that fear in the show. Lucasfilm have done an awesome job of making Vader appear terrifying to others, especially Jedi, in Rebels, Rogue One and Fallen Order - this show has to be the pinnacle of that.
Exactly on point, this man is very terrifying
Yes.
Judging by his acting so far I bet it will be amazing
@@tomclaydon92 i just watched the episode. The portrayal was great, but Vader was just so weak.... It's really weird. Obi wan just has a death star worth of plot Armour
Darth Vader was toying with Obi-wan he didn’t want to kill him yet.he wants kenobi to get stronger so he can prove he is stronger than him
I entirely agree obi wan has spent 10 years in a desert using no force abilities or his light saber. Whereas vader has spent the last 10 years hunting jedi and using his abilities constantly. Plus obi wan will be holding back due to his regret
Good point
Why would obi wan hold back lol because if he holds back then he will just die because vader/anakin has literally become so powerful so obi wan will need to fight back if he is gonna survive since vader will be at his peak prime form as hayden described vader in the obi wan series as “driven, vengeful and unstoppable”.
@@roveltz Because he loves Anakin and when Qui Gon will communicate with him and give him a sense of assurance and guidance - thats why he holds bak lol.
worst comment and idea ever. lol lol
@@carn1fex_ well we saw in the battle of mustafar that obi wan loved anakin and he still fought him and cut his limbs off so is this what you call love 💀 Darth Vader for sure will try to get revenge this time round but we will see what happens but obi wan will still survive tho he probably will escape from vader without being injured because obi wan was obviously alive when we saw him with 19 yr old luke as a healthy old man so yh
@@roveltz Ob1 would definitely hold back if he knows it was Anakin. Like he did in the first fight, he doesn't wanna kill Vader. The thing he probably wishes he could do most in the galaxy is just reason with him. That's why Kenobi was on the defensive in their duels. Kenobi was holding back. Which should've gave Anakin the edge, but Anakin was just too stupidly full of himself.
Obi-wan held back in the first duel. Didn't die. Matter of fact, most Jedi hold back in their duels so it shouldn't be surprising. Jedi are supposed to have restraint.
I really hope there’s an almost Rogue One scene. Where Obi is trying to speak to Anakin and reach the light inside him and Vader just unleashes a barrage of overhand swings to which Obi can only barley block and knocks him to the ground and to the walls etc. Maybe an epic one liner from Vader but I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t say anything and just saw Red as it where.
That be cool, but this is a dark ass Vader I wanna see him try to unleash everything. Force powers, light savers, using the suit to his advantage and just screams and anger and full blind rage is where I want to go with it
@@BabyGollum Light Sabers*
@@BabyGollum lol what's a light saver? Sounds like an electricity saving device. I need one.
I hope they don’t meet at all. That way A New Hope isn’t retconned
*barely
The concept that they will fight twice during the Kenobi series makes sense. They obviously want to show the prowess of Vader, but based on the controversy of them fighting at all during this series relative to their dialog in A New Hope… they basically need to leave things in such a way that Vader considers himself to be “but a learner”.
The only way I can see that being upheld is by Kenobi scoring a decisive victory over him by the time this series ends.
This! People really seem to gloss over that but a learner line
@@HJD_10 “half machine”? So? Sounds like you don’t know much about vader if you think obi wan even has a chance. This is PEAK vader. Hayden already said this is vader in his prime. His force powers? Dude you’re just saying random bullshit rn Lmao vader is so much stronger in the force than obi wan. Even peak obi wan wouldn’t be able to defeat vader. A washed obi wan rn vs prime vader doesn’t stand a chance.
@@zampy8706 This was supposed to be added to a different thread. Someone was claiming he was invincible. Nevermind
@@zampy8706 obi wan might reach his prime in this series after he reunites with the source. I don’t know for sure but im pretty sure the dark side anakin we saw in revenge of the Sith is more powerful then Vader.
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Vader is more powerful than Anakin ever was.
I also think kenobi will concede a big defeat the first time he duels with vader, coming not from a place of "fighting mentality" but love and hope as you said. Maybe his defeat will lead quigon to finally commune with him after which kenobi might go through the regrouping phase. I hope there is a second duel.
That is sort of what I was thinking. Most simplest terms, They’ll fight, Kenobi will attempt to get through to Anakin once again, and fail again. Kenobi then realizes HE didn’t fail, and that Anakin is truly lost (for now) and he’ll come back around to his ways, and finally communicate with Jinn.
this aged well
Is it possible that Qui-Gon might say “Anakin!” Mid fight just before Vader goes to end Kenobi? That would even startle Vader enough for Kenobi to escape
Or fricken Yoda shows up out of know where, that's would definitely throw him off lol extremely unlikely though.
Please no
Really don't like this idea. It would undermine the line
"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine"
Just don't want vader to know the will can survive beyond death.
@@chungyang9925 Vader has heard qui gon though, he just didn't understand. If you read brotherhood. Novel anakin always heard qui gon even in ep 2. Nothing changes him hearing it here
I doubt it. At this point, nobody is making Vader stop aside from Luke. Even Ahsoka and Ob1 couldn't make him chill.
Luke: “come with me, lets leave this place. There’s still good in you”
Vader: “Obi Wan once thought as you do.”
I think obi wan will try to bring Anakin back, as vader says to Luke " Obi wan once thought as you do", in revenge of the sith Obi wan just wanted to destroy the sith, so it implies that at some point Obi wan will think the same way as Luke in ep. VI and will try that Ankin come with him, but will fail and vader will show him that all its left is anger,as Obi wan says " He is more a machine now", so clearly he will fail, and realise that Anakin is dead and that's what he tell Luke, because he really thought Anakin was dead after the duel that will happen in this show. yeah i think Qui Gon will teach Obi wan the imortality path and will give hope to Obi wan. In ep. iV we see a confident, powerfull Obi wan far away from this version, so the next 10 years will make obi wan one of the most powerful jedi ever lived.
That's just too good idea.
I hope you're right 👍
(But it's Disney SW so I don't want to have too high hopes.)
That's a very good point. I never realized it with that line in ROTJ. I wonder what Vader meant in ANH by saying "When *I left you* I was but the *learner*, now I am the master." Vader didn't left him on Mustafar, it was the other way around. Maybe he meant the fact he left Kenobi for Sidious? But Anakin was no longer his padawan at that point, they became "brothers" in Clone Wars 2003 (no longer canon but I think it still fits in canon). So I think Vader was talking about something that will be shown in Kenobi series. Maybe Vader will learn something from Obi-Wan? Idk.
I think mentioning Padme’s last words to Kenobi to Vader would be perfect for that. If that fails, that would better convince Kenobi as to why Anakin couldn’t be redeemed after that and to better match up with that ROTJ line. It would need to fail since it would remind Vader of the awful things he did to save her and it being all for nothing since she died because of him. Then there’s how he wouldn’t be able to let go off the hatred he has for Kenobi.
To be honest, it’s entirely possible that Obi-Wan realizes that he cannot out duel Vader. No matter how much Kenobi trains or meditates, he may realize (possibly through Qui-Gon) that Luke is what matters now. That it’s Luke’s destiny to contend with Vader, not Obi-Wan. It sort of makes sense that when Obi-Wan looks at Luke in Episode 4 just before he is struck down by Vader, he understands that is the moment his mission to protect Luke physically is over. Luke is going to escape. Kenobi realizes he’s more valuable to Luke as a force ghost and mentor that a guardian. Kenobi knows Luke needs to go to Yoda and that Obi-Wan’s protection mission is complete.
Vader is probably only mildly conflicted about Obi-Wan. He probably has some feeling towards him, but it’s shadowed by anger. Luke, on the other hand, is totally different. Luke is an extension of Anakin’s love with Padme, and that’s what will definitely (clearly) give Vader pause. Vader has no reason to hate Luke. Actually the opposite. Maybe Qui-Gon will help Obi-Wan to understand that Obi-Wan’s peace and healing also has to flow through Luke.
I actually really like this alot and it makes sense. In my mind it’s just hard for me to conceivably see a well adjusted and well on his way Vader, lose to Kenobi. I understand Kenobi is great, but Vader should be on just another level by then that only Palpatine, Yoda, or someone like Luke/Leia can contend with
I think it makes more sense the other way around though with Kenobi not matching Vader’s power but can still outduel him. That fits more with why Vader is a lot more careful when he’s fighting Obi-Wan. He wants to best Kenobi in an actual duel.
Dude I love this so much
True. Vader said to Tarkin ' Escape is not his plan". But Vader got more mindfucked when Obi Wan vanished when he struck him down
Disney has made it that Leia could defeat him at this point..good thing he has all of these females saving him at every point.
I feel like it would be good for Kenobi to be crushed in the first duel as he is very broken and basically a void of hope. I think in the next fight he will get destroyed, but maybe Qui Gon speaks to him and he goes and SLAYS like OBI WAN KENOBI!
I think Kenobi will win but by the skin of his teeth. His injuries will lead to his physical decline into Alec’s Kenobi.
@@brynstarkiller7419 Why should he win? It doesn't make sense to me. I don't like watching them fight at all, but if they do it at least needs to make some sende - where Vader crushes him. Or let it be a draw, I can't buy this Kenobi beating Vader.
Well, this prediction aged like fine wine
I want some grand inquisitor action I hope they did his character justice
Well…… lol
@@JayDubbs91 he's not dead that's why I saying that if he come back I want grand inquisitor fighting some Jedi or reva
Yes I agree completely
@@JayDubbs91 🤣🤣🤣
I mean, watch Rebels...
Well, there is the line in ROTJ where Vader tells Luke, "Obi-Wan once thought as you do." I think you're spot on about Obi trying to turn Ani back to the light and getting that hope thrashed out of him.
I think the entire series should be based around Obi-Wan finding himself and his abilities again, and the climax should be the fight with Vader. In A New Hope, Vader says "a presence I haven't felt since....." meaning their most recent duel, must have ended in something climactic.
He also said "last we met I was the pupil, now I am the master" implying that he was Obi-Wan's student when they last met, and he was now a Sith master."
Although it could be re-interpreted as being he was the Sith pupil...
@@aussiewanderer6304 he didn’t say pupil , he said “Last we met, I was BUT THE LEARNER, now I am the master.”
@@omerginawi9768 he said when I left you not when we met so that means that they can definitely canonically have another fight
@@hawx-30if obi-wan loses it could even mean that when they last met obi-wan saw him as his pupil and now after his lost obi-wan has to acknowledge him as the master.
@@aussiewanderer6304 where did you get pupil from lol. he said “when i left you i was but the learner, now i am the master”
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Man i just wanted to see obi-wan absolutely destroy Riva at the end of episode 2
@The Weavile if he practices a little he has defeat her easily, he's just rusty at the moment
@The Weavile yeah obi wan closed himself to the force, so he had to open up again, the inquisitors were at a few meters from him in tatooin and didn't felt him, and Riva felt Obi wan now after he saved Leia so did Vader, When you connect to the force you leave a "finger print" that can be felt by other force users, and vader and Riva begin to fell Obi wan again
@The Weavile no way. In rebels maul can fight the inquisitors in a 1vs3 and win and obi wan defeated maul twice. Admittedly this occurs later in the time line but if anything obi wan should be even weaker than he is now at that point as he's older and has spent even more time using little force and light saber combat. Obi wan beats reva
Since moses was in press everywhere with ewan and hayden, her character is most likely considered an important one and i doubt that shell be killed off before 6
@@jimmyjoyce3554 it's literally going to happen 10 years later. He literally cut off himself from the force how the heck can he face Jedi killers? Your hate blinds you.
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It's so weird to me that some people don't even want Kenobi and Vader to clash because it would not be considered canon cus they only duel in a new hope.
It wouldn't be weird if you had an inkling of respect to George Lucas or the story he created? People have been playing in the sandbox for nearly 40 years without stepping on the toes of canon. Disney comes in and starts stomping immediately. One piece of canon after another. Things that people loved about the story gets changed easily to this and that with seemingly little thought or skill applied to the writing. That is probably why people are so apprehensive to them monkeying around in G-Canon so much ( because they, Disney, don't care about canon (no matter the IP)).
It makes the ANH encounter less impactful now. Now when I see their fight in the movie its gonna be just another battle between these fellas
@@Jordie_42 it does not imo. it makes it much more impactful because in a new hope obi wan recognizes the suit and knows who vader is immediately. I always didnt like that, and when people explain it "ahhhhh he felt him in the force" thats bologna lol. I think this makes that encounter way better and makes it make so much more sense.
@@imvellyy Someone gets it. Kenobi does not seem fazed that Anikan is in that suit. He even goes as far as being a troll to call him 'Darth'- seeing he had tendencies for one liners in the PT and TCW. Based on his reaction in ANH, he faced Vader before. The writers just have to do some fancy footwork around some dialogue so they dont butcher continunity.
Why ?, In episode 3 Obiwan still call Vader as Anakin in their duel but when episode 4 duel he only call him as Vader "master of evil" . In this series Obiwan still call him as Anakin, there's must be something made Obiwan totally give up on Anakin.
I love how passionate you are about Star Wars, it’s amazing the well of knowledge you have. Every time you mention a book I have to go buy it cause I am like “I have to know!”
But how will this then explain episode 4, when Vader says "I was but the learner, now I am the master".
Ye. My thoughts exactly. They should have a rematch if Kenobi gets manhandled after a training arc xD. One where he wins.
Obi gon' fuck him up
@The Weavile the true nature of the force is balance but I get that it’s a quote.
@The Weavile Master the dark side is a stretch. If anyone mastered the dark side, it was Palpatine. Everyone else is just a pawn who he only taught what he allowed them to know.
Its a cheesy pickup line by Vader, doesn't hold much meaning to me
Dude thanks for your perspective. It has me even more hyped for their first encounter even more now. Didn't think it was possible to get me more hyped than I already was. But here we are. I love discussions like this that provoke creative thinking in theorizing how things may or may not play out. As usual really I liked the video man! Keep it up!
Love the discussion about how many “adjustments” Anakin had to make after his transformation. It’s hard to imagine the menacing, in-control monster from A New Hope was ever anything but menacing and in control, but clearly that’s not realistic. I suspect that some of that may be addressed in this upcoming episode…at least I hope that it is.
Bro after watching kenobi episode 3, u actually have the power of prophecy. Nuts.
I just don't want them to ruin the line 'when i left you i was but a learner, now i am the master'.....that line needs to persist and make sense. Also, 'we meet again at last' implies a long overdue meeting, if they write this properly that could have significant impact.
Still would be 9 years later. Also obiwan must see Vader he doesn’t know what he looks like before ep iv
1st off I want to thank you for all your content. Its well thought out and I enjoy your take on things. It's awesome to hear other peoples perspective and I love that you pull from the graphic novels and comic. I haven't read all of them and the few I do own I've never opened. I grew up with the OG saga but I also read all the novels so I actually liked the prequels for the fact I was a little older and I was able to fallow the political nuances in EP 1 and 2. I also understood Anickens story character arc. I could relate to the clone wars and parts of EP3 as I spent the last 23 years in the USMC. During my down time on ship I would read the books. It took me about 8 years to read them all just in time for the re-release of the OG saga and the prequels. I felt I had a lot of knowledge on SW in my brain housing group. I also played all the games. I found my self explaining the prequals to my friends who were casual fans ie. fans that only watch the movies. Right now I'm starting to read the novels that came out after the Disney perches. Anyway I was hoping to get your take on the SW Skeleton Crew coming out next year with Judd Law. Or if you heard anything about it?
I think a line from Obi-Wan as hes on his knees "what would Padme think of you now" might just cause the moments hesitation from Vader that Obi-Wan needs in the first duel to escape. I think you right he'll get pummelled the first round and that will be Obi-Wan's wake up that Anakin is gone and galvanize Obi-Wan for round two. Maybe see a 6month time jump for Obi-Wan to actually go train.
There’s not going to be a time jump in Star Wars show lol. This ain’t anime
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I think it would be great and emotional if Obi-Wan tells Vader about Padme’s last words to him to try redeeming him one last time before he fully believes Anakin can never return to the light. It better match up with Vader’s quote in ROTJ where he tells Luke that Obi-Wan once thought as he did. Vader would need to refuse or believe he’s cannot be redeemed because mentioning Padme would just remind him of every awful thing he did to save her and how it was all for nothing along with Vader not being able to let go off the hatred he has for Obi-Wan.
@@zampy8706 dude thinks Obi Wan is gonna go hop in the hyperbolic time chamber or some shit lololol
Are you people dumb? Vader says to Obi-Wan in a New Hope that THE LAST TIME WE MET I WAS THE STUDENT. ???? Are we just gonna pretend that didn't happen?
This aged like fine wine.
"Your powers are weak, old man!" -- I think if they logically connect this reunion with Ep IV, then Vader will have to see Obi-Wan now with a relatively normal sense of his powers compared to the final duel. There's no way Vader will just let him leave without having to use his powers to defend himself and escape. Luke cut himself off from the Force, but then was able to reconnect. Obi-Wan just needs a little time and reflection. I think if Qui-Gon does finally answer him, it will be to help him find the focus to fully remember and revive his connection to the Force.
Yup 💯 Agree with you General Theory I think Obi Wan is going to try and bring Anakin back unfortunately for him This is Vader now🌋 "Obi Wan once thought as you You don't know the power of the Darkside!" Vader said to Luke in ROTJ, So yup Obi is probably going to get wrecked and Qui Gon ⚡💚 Return's to complete he's training to become Old Ben Kenobi we see in Rebels 🎇 Looking forward to what's next
Imagine we get a brief moment where he says "come, sit with me old friend" and they talk for a brief moment before Anakin snaps back into Vader.
It wouldn't make sense to have them fight at all. But instead have them meet and Obi Wan try and talk to him, but Vader some how just destroying him with the force, instead of a duel, and I will explain why in a second. However, if they do make them fight, it would make sense to have 2 different fights in which Obi wan wins the second time. And it all has to do with this line from a new hope: "I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, but now I am the master."
Tbh, it DOES make more sense that Obi-Wan shouldn’t have to fight Vader, but if he absolutely has to, maybe he’s able to confuse Vader. Make him doubt for even a minute what he’s doing. Maybe a Jedi/padawan moment where Vader simply thinks about what he’s doing, giving Obi-Wan a chance to escape. At this point, I personally don’t think Obi-Wan is a match for Vader on a good day. Kenobi has to realize that dealing with Vader is now Luke’s destiny. Obi-Wan will hopefully realize (maybe through Qui-Gon) that the way to possibly turn or defeat Vader is through Luke.
I think in the first duel I’d like to see some panick kick into Kenobi as Vader is attacking him but since Vader is finalizing his adjustment to his robotic body I think Kenobi would have atleast some room to try and counter-attack with all his rustiness and just barely evade Vader
Vader has ten years' experience with his new self. He has no problem at all to handle it.
@@angelesgrupeliortega7598 Oh well, you never know with what they can change in this series, but Kenobi is guaranteed to struggle heavily
@@housesports000 did you even see Vader in fallen order? That’s literally only 5 years after revenge of the sith and he demolished everyone
This takes place 10 years after revenge of the sith
You bet your ass he’s gonna beat em up
I'm pretty sure Vader is adjusted at this point.
@@notBrocker Still planning to get the game
Vader said the last time they met obi wan was the master in a new hope
I hope we see the inquisitors bow to Vader scared for their life
Especially Reva
@@TheHolySacred-Cow reva is not real sith and inquisitor. she's just mad full of hate dark jedi bcuz she is so blinded by revenge and hate , even sith wasnt this stupid and reckless
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it i never said reva was a sith and neither did the other guy
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it Inquisitors are not Sith so...duh.
@@TheHolySacred-Cow yeah
Does it even make sense for Obi and Vader to meet? To quote Vader from Ep. 4: "When I left you I was but the leaner, now *I* am the master". This should be referring to the time when Anakin was still Obiwan‘s student. They could turn this around by saying that by "learner" he meant that he was still weak and a leaner of the sith way when he met Obiwan during the Kenobi-series
Remember what Vader said in EP4: "When I left you, I was but a learner...". In my opinion, this line implies that he either lost or, at least, tied in his last fight with Obi Wan since then. If they still care at all about continuity, Vader can't win.
Disney doesn’t care, that much has been established
Or loses their most recent duel but wins the first one.
Actually it could imply that Vader completely demolished Kenobi, only to leave him alive out of spite. As a threat, that makes it work. "When I kicked your ass last time, I'd just barely begun to learn about my new powers."
@@mahguvnah7403 spot on
Well soon every Wednesday we will see how this will all fit in with the original triology
I don't think Obi-Wan will "beat" Vader in their potential 2nd duel, but he will definitely outsmart him.
To outsmart him would be to beat him...Vader could be more powerful, but a smarter fighter can beat a stronger appointment, depending on how much smarter they are. So that would still be considered beating him.
@Rough Collies Rock Even if you count Mustafar, the line wouldn't make sense if Vader beats him in both duels here. Because the second duel should be the last time they see each other until a New Hope.
@@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 According to what logic or canon?
@@AlexFarleyMusic According to real world logic in actual fights. Also according to Obi-wan and Vader's first duel in episode 3. Vader was more powerful, but he became so arrogant that he made dumb decisions in the fight, which lead to his downfall. Because Kenobi stayed smart, kept a cooler head and got an opening.
I disagree Vader is meant to be calm, ruthless but mostly calculative Anakin is a genius stragetist Vader is the same person and combined with his attitude ever since he became a sith he should be the one to outsmart obi wan not the opposite.
Another great video! Hope your dog is doing better!
Hopefully Reva is killed by Kenobi, who is angry at himself for breaking the Jedi code, or Vader, which would increase our perception of him as a person who is completely lost in the dark side.
Vader with probably kill her, mostly because he is know for offing Inquisitors
@@masonbarnes4303 Facts, let’s also remember who lost Kenobi 😳
Kenobi doing that is completely out of character. He is the archetypical Jedi.
He could stab him in the stomach and get replacement mechanical parts 😂😂
@@shadearca yes make no sense at all
6:28 Same. Same my man. I always enjoy talking about prequels and originals. This story is so deep and tragic on so many intricate levels.
I think Reva is the one of the younglings from the beginning and the reason she hates Kenobi so much is because she holds him accountable for Anakin crashing out.
I was thinking that as well, maybe she was hiding when Kenobi and Yoda put the call out to not return this feeling betrayed.
I also wonder if the guy who seemed out Kenobi then died was one of those kids in the beginning also, hiding in a different area but didn’t know about the signal to not return so he didn’t feel betrayed by the Jedi.
I have a feeling Vader is about to kill Obi wan and Reva somehow gets in the way either wanting to stop vader or kill Kenobi herself therefore allowing Obiwan to escape and giving even more reason for Vader to kill Reva off
@@KevAng039 Yeah bro the other dude I didn’t think about that but it definitely makes more than enough sense.
@@willie5 Personally with my theory I think she’ll eventually be converted back to the light but I definitely don’t see her surviving the series
Well this aged like wine
Theory, thanks for being the number 1 guy I go to for my Star Wars news and information. It’s been a great journey all these years bro!
ive seen people say this will ruin a new hope for them. but this makes it much better for me. Ben recognizes vaders suit and everything about him in a new hope. he never mentions or asks whats with the suit, he just continues on. I always wanted that explained better and personally I think this would be the BEST way to explain it.
Facts
I dont see how Vader and Kenobi meet again. In a New Hope they said "I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, but now I am the master." This indicates to me that this is their first meeting since Mustafar. I suppose you could say "we meet again" as in we've met a few times, but to me that means the first time since Mustafar.
I've said it in a previous video. Vader loses for me, hence the line "when I met you I was but the learner, now I am the master". That is referring to himself as a Sith Lord. He is not referring to himself as Anakin, because Anakin was not a Padawon at that point.
Alternatively, Obi Wan will try to rescue him, that is a given. Vader to Luke "Obi Wan, once thought as you do" That was on the Death Star when Luke wanted to turn him back.
So one of two things will happen:
1. Obi Wan beats him, Vader is full of rage as he has not mastered the ways of the Sith (Machine limitations etc)
2. Vader is still not fully evil at this point, feels weakness and allows Obi Wan to escape. He vows to never let the light surface again in the future. Hence, he was the learner and that good in him surfaced, just like it did for Luke.
Really hoping for the final fight, Kenobi busts out both his, and Anakin's lightsaber to take Vader down. Something spectacular has to happen for Vader to tell Kenobi that when he last left him he was but a learner in A New Hope.
What would be even crazier is if Ahsoka was the one that had to train Kenobi in duel wielding blades, but that would probably be too much.
Also shout out to the guy who still wants Plo Koon to be alive. That would be interesting if they had to team up or something using Force Judgement to keep Vader at bay.
Hey Theory & SW community, love the videos! In Episode 4 Vader says “when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master” before their duel on the Death Star. I feel like this implies that the last time they met would have been on Mustafar, however now that they fight in Kenobi, and Vader is much more powerful than Obi-Wan, this line from Vader makes much less sense. What do you think about this, would love to hear if you have an explanation :)
LOVE the Rocky reference. His and Mic’s relationship was always my favorite
I guess what I think of is their dual in a new Hope where Vader says “I was by the learner now I am the master”. This means in my eyes that obi one wins at their last interaction. So Vader beat obi-wan technically in this first dual in Kenobi series, do they fight once more and Obi-Wan destroys Vader or do they fight a third time in the Kenobi series. We will have to wait and see loving series so far.
Yoooooo the intro is back lets goooooo
Yeah I feel like Obi-Wan is definitely going to try to convince Anakin to come back to the light side, which is why Darth Vader tells Luke that “Obi-Wan once thought like you do” when Luke was trying to convince him that there was still good in him in Return of the Jedi. Because he definitely wasn’t thinking like Luke when he confronted Anakin on Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith lol
"I've been waiting for you Obi-Wan....we meet again at last. The circle is now complete, when I left you I was but the learner...now I am the master." From that very important quote which we hear in ANH...it sounds like Vader will have much conflict which I believe Obi-Wan will sense and play on. I believe Obi-Wan and Vader will fight a 2nd time in the show and the fight will come to a stalemate where Vader is forced to leave Obi-Wan due to some event that could kill Vader (think planet exploding, lava flow...something). That would tie it up nicely towards the quote Vader gives Obi in ANH.
The only thing that I don’t like about this rematch between is that we know Vader cannot seriously harm Kenobi in their fight even if he wins because we know from A New Hope that Obi Wan somehow escapes the fight pretty much intact. This means that Vader can’t cut off any of Obi-Wan’s limbs, disfigure him in any major way, or even kill Kenobi cause then that will contradict canon. So it feels like to me the fight won’t have as much stakes as there would be if A New Hope didn’t exist.
I’m here for the dialog between the 2
Since it’s only been 10 years since revenge of the sith and the clone wars show, for the first time I just wanna see how the 2 characters react to each other and what’s gonna be said because it’s a tragic story especially if you’ve followed from the clone wars tv show into the movies etc it’s so so so good
It’s why I’m able to overloook the weak characters and other cheesy stuff because I’m Legit here for obi and Vader
We don’t know if he loses a limb tho. Tell me do you ever see ben with a mechanical leg/foot in ANH? It may very well be there, but cus of the clothing you wouldn’t know. Wouldn’t surprise me if they make him lose a foot
He could get burned badly?
If and when they meet during this Kenobi series, I want to know how the line from Star Wars will come into play. If you recall, Vader says to Kenobi before they clash that last time “I was but a learner, now I am the master."
This would lead me to believe that Kenobi still has some tricks up his sleeve that he'd be able to use to defeat Vader in an upcoming duel.
Didn't he already destroy him back in 1977?
This show takes place before a new hope
Uhh no? Obi Wan transcended into the force before Vader even struck him.
LOL. forget that. don't stay in the past =) this is Disney $$$$$$
@@techastrophe The actor was too good.
We know vader does not destroy obi one in this series....he does that later in a new hope.
I wanna see obi wan go all excited and nervous to meet Vader and hope that he can persuade him to change back to the light side and it will all be this happy ending he thinks it will be but instead Vader listens to obi wan and acts like her cares and listens and listens and then when it comes to Vader speaking, he just acts like nothing that obi wan has said has even left obi wans mouth and opens up a world of Pain. And yeah ur idea of a rocky montage would be genuinely amazing if we get to see obi wan and qui gon breaking their backs training for a finale fight and maybe obi wan wins either physically with the blade or mentally. Either way, I’m so damn excited for the next episodes
How Disney will destroy Kenobi now.
I ain’t giving a dime to Kennedyfilms or Disney after this Kenobi series
@@greenmanalishi6963 I still haven’t since I’m just using someone else’s Disney+
@@GREENHOUSE_LIGHTSHOW legend
It’s good so far
@@oXRaptorzXo I might give it a shot when I have
an opportunity to watch it for free. But killing off the inquisitor we know and love form Clone Wars only to replace him with an original character is not a good start IMO.
This actually could change the meaning of “last time we faced I was the learner” meaning like “I was learning how to use this new body as my birth to vader” and now he’s the master in terms of having control of his current state
When you lose all your body parts and gotta readjust to being like a whole foot taller, bigger hands, not being able to do all yhe stuff you’ve been doing before (like flips on the daily) ect, i wouldnt be suprised if it took him more than 10 years to be fully “comfortable” in his new body
I feel like reva is going to save obi wan or dearth vadar by dying herself it’s gonna be quite intriguing to see, I hope that vadar is gonna suffer a set back in some form and that’s how he come back in the new hope with op force and strength. Hopefully they stick to it i really enjoyed the first 2 eps!
I have to say I love the shot for shot ending to episode 2 with ROJ...FANTASTIC!!!
No way this CAN’T happen. In a new hope, Vader says « when I left I was just the apprentice ». So Vader can’t beat obiwan otherwise it retcons a new hope which will create a frenzy among the fans
I honestly don't think there will be a full Vader and Obi Wan fight. Obi Wan will avoid the fight as best he can, even though his force abilities may be out of practice he is still smart. This is how he always beats his opponents like with Anakin, Maul and Grievous and others he fought he wins generally with luck and wit. I'm guessing Obi Wan turns Reva back to the light given she seems so scorned with him and probably was lied to about him. Once he talks to her and turns her they get confronted by Vader and he kills Reva which allows Obi Wan to escape in the process.
Obi-Wan's lightsaber combat will be way below Vader's. Maybe he can start with weaker inquisitors to get in shape. Force-wise he will be back to his old level quite soon, don't forget it took Luke only a short time to force project himself halfway through the galaxy.
Nope, Vader is 100 times slower than he was when he was Anakin.
Obi wan is nothing close to Luke’s level. That’s like comparing Lebron james to high school kid.
@@zampy8706 I'm not saying he'll reach Luke's level, only that he'll regain his force powers quickly. Besides this, obi want got trained by the best jedi form childhood on, Luke got trained by books, holocrons and an elderly alien.
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Actually Vader is quite fast, and freakish big and freakish strong. Also, Vader is more powerful than Anakin ever was
@@zampy8706 Kenobi is LEAGUES above ROTJ Luke.
Watched this after episode 3. So far he's almost spot on.
I'm not entirely sure there has to be a duel. There most likely will be one but, it doesn't have to happen. It could be that they just see each other briefly on account of what ever crazy crap might happen.
theres official concept art that they released on vader and kenobi fighting its almost confirmed
It makes no sense for Vader to beat Ben, it completely ruins the importance of the dialogue and duel in new hope
@@SledgehammerEditing Darth Vader: [as Obi-Wan finds him and ignites lightsaber] I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, but now I am the master. - Actual Dialogue from New Hope,
Vader could be implying he meets again with Vader not Anakin. Vader no longer sees himself as Anakin and so its another meeting between Obi Wan and Anakin. They most certainly need to fight and Vader is going to win. Vader may be referring to being the master of the force and the dark side where he was once a learner of the dark side. Something like that and it gives open space for any interpretation we and Lucas film may deem necessary to fill in blanks.
@@SledgehammerEditing I agree.
@@willie5 That still makes no sense, you have tried to make some weird condition and it isn't working
The whole series already leaked on torrent. Only 6 episodes. Obi-Wan and Darth fight twice. In episode 4 for 3-4 mins with Vader winning and in Episode 6 for just shy of 8 mins with Obi-Wan winning. Vader kills Reva towards the end because she lied to him and said she killed Obi-Wan.
Not sure how all this will mesh with Vader’s line in ANH “When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master.” I guess you could say that Anakin “left” him earlier, but that line pretty much implies that the duel on the Death Star was the first time Kenobi would have seen Vader as the “master”. I don’t know, I have a feeling that I will feel there is a continuity issue unless they really stick the landing on this.
Rey??
Wait darth Vader’s first meet up as we think… obi wan didn’t react at all to the suit on him . He didn’t even consider the fact he used to just be human now is in a dark black big suit
I think it was a Anakin moment where he always has to say something slick "My powers have doubled since the last time we met count." Not something that really means anything but to distract and destroys the opponent ego. at least that's how I see it
I think you nailed it and i can’t really see anything changing other than obi flipping on a giant magnet to run away
I think no matter what happens in the show, I'm not going to get bent out of shape. There was genuine work put into this production and so far I am enjoying every second of it. We can all write off these minor things
Bruh Kenobi could barley catch that little girl I swear if Disney gives us some wack fight scenes of Kenobi over powering Vader I’ma be pissed but not surprised knowing Disney.
No version of Vader could ever beat obi wan
Darth vader can better utilize the darkside at this time, unlike before when he and kenobi first dueled, and kenobi's lightside powers shouldn't be able to even sting lord vader. Kenobi was hesitate to fight the 3rd sister, because of his ring rust, so he wouldn't be confident enough to take on vader.
kenobi will always beat vader in a 1 v 1. this is a fact
@@fiorrytommy9429 didn't Lord vader eventually kill kenobi duh.
@@detroitmiracle1797 lol, kenobi spared him once and he let him beat him the other time to become a force ghost for Luke...
Vader never stood a chance against him, but fans will cry when he'll eventually stomp vader in this show, even tho vader explicitly said "I'm more powerful than the last time we dueled" implying that the last time he dueled kenobi won or maximum a draw happened
@@fiorrytommy9429 the mechanical vader is more physically stronger and more proficient with the darkside of the force.
I just watched the episode, and may Vader was literally a pure horror film villain in it, and I loved it!
One thing that I don't see anyone talk about is how did this broken Obi Wan who can barely use the Force was able to one shot Darth Maul in Rebels? I mean sure Darth Maul was tired and crazy in Rebels too but he could still use the Force just fine and his lightsaber skills were intact as he was fighting the Inquisitors with zero difficulty.
Good point. Maybe after this series tales place he is able to reconnect with the Force because he believes in himself again.
isn't he Old Kenobi at that point? so he'd more than likely have reached the point of "balance" in himself to have his strength back
that happens like 5 years later
There are 2 very different Kenobis.
Go watch Sam Witwer's explanation of the final Obi-Wan and Maul fight he explains it perfectly.
Remember in ROTJ Vader to Luke “Obi-Wan once thought as you did”. Meaning that he could be saved. Also in ANH during the duel, “when last we met I was but a learner. Now I am a master”. If and that is a huge IF since Disney seems to care very little about continuity we could be seeing a very different fight than what we might all be hoping for. We know both Vader and Obi suffer from severe PTSD. I think we all may be very surprised that this wont live up to to the expected duel we all think it may be.
This story is to me about Obi-Wan letting go of the past forgiving himself. This show is the catalyst to bring him out of his depression and being the character we all know.
As I watched Kenobi processing the realization that Anakin is alive, my thoughts went to the same place. When given the chance, he will try to turn him back to the light. We know how things inevitably go, but that interaction with a 10 year long hardened Vader will be most interesting to watch. Not to mention Qui-Gon’s thoughts and impressions during this point in the timeline.
"I could talk about this literally all day. For, well, I guess that's what I do..."
Awesome man! So cool you're able to do that.
Except Vader doesn't. Destroyed = grievously injured such as losing limbs or outright dying, neither of which happens to Ben as we know from ANH. Thus, either Ben wins that second duel, or the inner core of Anakin stops Vader from injuring/killing Ben. This could be the man vs. himself conflict Deborah was alluding to.
We don’t know if he loses a limb tho. Tell me do you ever see ben with a mechanical leg/foot in ANH? It may very well be there, but cus of the clothing you wouldn’t know. Wouldn’t surprise me if they make him lose a foot.
@@DDDff400 facts
OR the more likely situation is that he will loose the fight right away and gets saved in time like every other fight where one is outmatched but the plot needs him to live.
@@DDDff400 …how’s he get away from the angry Sith Lord if he’s missing a leg or foot?
@@katrose5179 how did maul survive after being cut in half? How did the grand inquisitor survive being stabbed? How did this, how did that.. it’s Star Wars my friend, there will be an explanation. But I don’t think it would be too hard for obi to escape anakin if he has the will to live. I imagine he gains strength at the last second before being struck down or even distracts anakin by (accidentally?) telling him he has a son. Who knows, i just wanna see Vader be ruthless
I loved the episode I enjoyed it! At the end though I would have had Vader walk through the fire with his lightsabre ignited just about to finish Obi Wan, then right at the last second Qui Gon Screams "ANAKIN!" and Vader falls backwards stunned after hearing the voice of his old master and mutters while trembling "Qui Gon?". Vader would be looking for a force ghost of Qui Gon too distracted to finish off Kenobi and while Vader is looking for Qui Gon, Tala would shoot at Vader forcing him to deflect the shots and suddenly Vader remembers, "Kenobi!" He ignites his lightsabre already remembering where Kenobi's body was raises his lightsabre in the air slashes it down AND... Nothing - Kenobi escaped while Vader got distracted. Vader looks around in panic and screams "KENOBI!!"
Back in 1977’ Vader and Obi wan’s first meeting since their battle of heroes on Mustafar is on the Death Star in a new hope
But thanks to 40 years of Extended universe and Disney retconning they meet like 50 times
Vader did say the last time he felt a tremor in the Force was in the presence of his former Master. There could be a brief exchange/fight in the series which may not mess with the continuity if done correctly. The continuity has been all over the place in the past, par for the course with SW & lots of other properties.
Obi Wan had known for 10 years Anakin’s Sith name was Darth Vader. He didn’t need Reva to say it. Palpatine calls him Lord Vader in the security footage and Yoda also mentions “The boy you trained, gone he is. Consumed by Darth Vader.” It’s highly unlikely he ever forgot that. So why is everyone mentioning this like somehow he didn’t know or forgot? Reva isn’t telling him things he didn’t know besides Vader’s survival. Somehow in the ten years, Obi Wan totally cut himself off not just from the force but from news. Vader made headlines, even if just through idle rumor. So his shock is just from Vader’s survival. I really didn’t get why the writers had to explain to the audience Vader and Anakin are one in the same.
Kenobi thought he killed him...
He was not surprised to hear the name Darth Vader, he was shell shocked hearing the fact that Anakin freaking survived that.
Think about it, he watched Anakin basically burn as close to death as possible after he had just cut off his other 3 limbs, set on fire and everything.
Who sees all that and thinks that the person would survive at all much less long enough to travel back to the medical bay and get all that work done, Obi-Wan never thought he survived, hence the fear and shock in his face hearing the Vader name again.
Vader is an urban legends before rogue one no one knew he even existed because no non imperial has seen his face and no one could regonize it thrawn figured out on his own that Vader is Anakin does that mean that he's not connected to the news aswell? The shock was that he was alive not that he was Anakin,and reva said it because she wanted to remind him of it to make him even more shacked to the core...reminding him that it's his failure that became Vader.
If you listen to her lines, I don’t think she is EXPLAINING that they are the same person. In fact, she is using both names interchangeably to display that she knows who Vader really is, which is a bit of info that most people in the galaxy don’t know. She might even be doing that to purposefully stoke emotions in Obi-Wan.
Reva seems to be a past Jedi padawan, from the intro scene of Order 66 in the first episode of Kenobi. This is probably why she is described as “the least of us” and coming from the gutter. No doubt she had to live on the streets as an orphan, perhaps in the lower levels, after the temple was attacked and occupied. This is a rough life and she probably had to do some unsavory things to survive, a fact that made her more susceptible to turning to the dark side. But this also means she has personal experience and knowledge of both Kenobi and Skywalker, if perhaps only from a distance. Actually, this is could be true for many Inquisitors, since they often were former Jedi.
It will be interesting to see which way the writers take this thread.
Edit: she seems to be a past Jedi youngling, not a padawan.
As nice as it would be for the writing to only appeal to hardcore fans that know it all, they do have to hype things up and explain things for more casual viewers.. Not everyone has seen ROTS. Star Wars have done it before, so has Marvel
I do get though that it does retcon the fact that everyone that finds out his true name gets killed instantly, but I believe we will find out how Reva knows his true identity
Such a fan of your channel man
I think it will end in a draw because in a new hope they both seem to be passive and if Vader won he would have been much more aggressive on the death star
also he says last he they met (vader) was just the learner now hes the master
“WATTO” lmao…
“Obi-Wa Vs. Watto”!
Prequels 10/10
I would love to hear Obi Wan say "killing me won't bring her back" which makes Vader hesitate letting Obi Wan get away. Probably won't happen though.
If Vader kicks Obi’s ass, it will completely invalidate the words spoken in the fight in A New Hope. It wrecks the OT. When last we met I was but the student and you were the master…… now I am the master, only a master of evil
Unless the leaks are right & they fight twice.
I can't imagine Vader will "destroy" Obi-Wan personally, I think that Vader is apprehensive for a reason in ANH. I'm sure he's some degree stronger in the force and less rusty, but he has many disadvantages going in that Obi-Wan can exploit to squeeze out a W. He's done this so many times with the odds stacked against him and has still come out on top. I think facing Vader again will actually favor obi-wan because it will help with his confidence and restore his faith in the force, leading him to become the Old Ben capable of beating Maul quite easily and training Luke to be capable of defeating his father.
Wonderful comment
I honestly think there will be two duels between them. The first duel Vader will win, and the second Obi-Wan will win
Yoda and Kenobi failed to defeat the Sith. That’s the whole point of Luke being “a new hope”. If Obi Wan was capable of defeating Vader he wouldn’t bother training Luke to fight Vader he’d just finish the job himself.
Vader is supposed to be unstoppable. Kenobi will get his butt kicked in their first fight, then probably outsmart him somehow and escape in their second fight.
@@Jordanthomas95 I meant teaching him how to use the force to defeat his father, I agree I don't think Obi-Wan could/would defeat Vader he's too strong. But I probably agree there will be two fights that go down just the way you said.
I think it should be stalemate and not a victory because Vader's line in ANH is "When I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master".
Kenobi will best anakin again. When they meet in episode 4 vader said “much has changed since we last met ect now i am the master” meaning he knows he will best kenobi. Implying he hadnt yet in the past
I think Vader will crush him physically, emotionally and mentally. I think he will leave him like Obi-wan left him on Mustafar. I think Vader will believe he has killed him in spirit and Obi-wan is so little a threat I don't believe Vader will care if he lives through it. It might be interesting if Reva interrupts the duel and Vader kills her.
yes shes gunna 100 percent do SOMETHING to have vader get her. I can just tell throught the writing. I personally think vader will mishear the name anakin skywalker and lose it.
Omg so booooring
That's not really in Vader's character. He wants to off Obi-Wan. He doesn't care about letting him suffer. People make Vader out to be more sadistic and less controlled and sophisticated than he really is. He kills Jedi, he doesn't torture them. Unless he needs answers. Even then, he more often than not let's imperial troops do that for him.
What you said sounds more like something Maul would do.
i think the empire or at least the inquisitor will try to kill reva for what she did to the grand inquisitor and she escapes. I dont think and hope that she doesn’t interfere with kenobi and vader fight. This is a sacred and personal fight between them i hope it stays that way. But yeah at some point i feel like she gets killed by vader.
@@imvellyy dude Vader got enough reasons to kill her already first of all for finding out his identity then for betraying grand inquisitor and finally for disobeying orders left and right.
6:35 - "I could talk about this all day long..... Well, I guess that's what I do." LOL had me rolling.
This definitely makes sense, but I think a lot of people are worried it ruins the "I was but a learner, now I am the master" line a bit. But I just want a fight 🤷🏼♂️
What i love about your videos, they come true afterwards
I think (and kinda hope) that we don't have an actual physical duel between them, but a physiological one. Like when Kylo Ren force connected with Rey.
And white that Vader destroys a little bit more of Obi Wan's sanity.
I don’t think Vader wins, he talks about being but a learner in the new hope and that Ben was the mast
Obi-Wan fights Vader and is about to lose but Reee-va intervenes to save obi-wans life, sacrificing her own so he can escape. She also doesn't kill Luke when she has the chance because of her redemption arc so not only is she the one true savior of luke, but she also saves obi-wan.
The force is female now, cope
What REALLY irks me with this series so far is how some things just don't work.
If Leia had been rescued by Obi in the past, she wouldn't have started her message to him in ANH with "Years ago you served my father during the clone wars". She would have started with a statement about what happened when she was young.
Or how Reva can even be alive and be a member of the Inquisitors if she knows who Vader is and casually mentions it. She could have stopped at saying she worked for Vader and the scene would have worked just the same. Now they can probably write their way out of this, but the only way I'll be satisfied with her character is if Vader snaps her neck when he finds out she knows.
Vader is gonna do it, he is gonna slam Kenobi into tatooine for another decade. I going to like this
Absolutely love this channel man ❤. Love your take on the speed of the artificial limbs making Anakin slower as Vader - I think the mental and physical pain of rehabilitating with artificial limbs only increases his pain and dark side powers which led to the beast he is shown as in the Rogue one ending, fallen order and Vader in general.