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If You Want to Take On the RAPTOR, You Better Bring It: Do These Three Trucks Have What It Takes?
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( www.tfloffroad... ) What makes the Ford RAPTOR so special? Nathan and Andre compare a brand new Raptor to a Nissan Titan PRO-4X, Ram Rebel, and Chevy Silverado 1500 Trail Boss to see the differences.
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Great review!!!
This was a review?
@@ipdjbt so what would you like it to be? Please tell me...
@@lifesaver718 I think he means comparison...
@@Ssh52 i get you, but people need to just not comment on how other people view stuff....I see it as a review for each vehicle...
@@lifesaver718 Some people need to not incorrectly label what a video is. This was clearly a comparison. He didn't review jack.
Titan all the way bothers! Come where's my TITAN guys at???? 💪🏽💪🏽🤳
Yas!
Just bought a '21 pro 4x. Loveeeee itttttt!
Lots of nice trucks out there,, nothing against any of them. I have the 21 titan pro-4x fully loaded in black. For price, warranty, accessories, overall power and work capabilities. Love it and wouldn't trade it. Different, feels great, drives great, fits well for me.
Huge discount on them right now which makes them the best value IMO.
How is the towing, can you really tell you are towing something. I tow a boat with my 2004 titan and to be honest it dosent do a very good job, i was wondering how the new ones handle it. I have ridden in a few fords and rams while towing and you can barely even tell there is a trailer back there
@@tylerleachman4133 I have a camper. It weighs 4,700lbs. It did well for me. A lot has to do with how hard you drive it too. I know a lot of people push trucks way harder, because it says it can. They gas it to keep up with speed limit on highway. I drive mine about 65 at most. Averaged right around 11 mpg. I rarely set it to cruise unless it's a long flat road. Far as feeling it, not really. It does very well in my opinion..
@@tylerleachman4133 apart from towing, it is a beast. That 400 hp, the exhaust sound, the sturdy feel. It feels like a sold truck. I have had many friends that own chevy and Ford just go on about it. the drive is smooth.
How’s the steering wheel when you turn? Is it hard?
Only Issue i see is that after 3 years of usage the nissan will be the only that hasn’t fallen apart
I own a 2021 Titan Pro4x and absolutely love it...
I tested all the big 3 and said...no thank you.
My Titan is just a flat out awesome truck.
Yep. Buddy of mine traded his 17 Titan for a Silverado. That blew an oil line and went into limp mode on the way home. The dealer got him into another one and he kept it less than a month. He said it already had more rattles than the Titan he traded in. He's now the happy owner of another Titan.
@@alanoconnor6742
I believe it. My Titan is such a superior truck to my other pickups. Shame they don't sell, people are missing out on a good honest truck.
@@mikeriv60 I've got a 10 year old Armada right now that I'm planning on trading in for a Titan once the pricing is available for the 2022s. We've been towing our travel trailer with the Mada for the last 8 years and it's been amazing.
@@alanoconnor6742
They are wonderful trucks like I said..
I had 1st generation Titan and drove it forever. People believe that the big 3 are " American" companies but they are not so they shy away from Titans IMO.
Titans designed in California..
Built in Mississippi.
Ram = Fiat garbage
Silverado built in Mexico = No thank you
And Ford in all honesty has been building crap for the last 10 years at least and have been selling out American workers (with GM) for a very long time.
I'll stick with my Titan.
Good luck.
@@mikeriv60 I live about 20 minutes from a Ford factory and proving ground, about 10 minutes away from a GM plant, and about 20 minutes from the Chrystler headquarters. Around here you are told that you have to buy Big 3. Don't ask questions, just do it. My uncle retired from GM so I get his employee discount. I tried them twice and never again. Neither of them were as good at the Hondas, or even Suzuki, that I had before them. My last GM drove me to a Nissan dealership and I never looked back.
I test drove Ford Chevy and Dodge recently but after test driving the Nissan Titan pro 4X I fell in love. That is the truck that I just bought! So happy with it. The panoramic moonroof is fantastic. So underrated.
Very true statement.
Yes. That's the only thing I wish my Titan had..That sky roof.
Im digging the Nissan, way better warranty than the other 3, and you can find them all day for 8k under msrp.
Nissan engine will last longer and its still a standard truck with 4x, while the others are off road versions. Nissan was and still is a sleeping giant. get no question 350k at least on it
It is really annoying how much you guys down play the Titan. Let me set a few things straight. The Pro-4x comes with a 1.5in lift from the factory, and the stock tire size is 275/70R18 which is a 33.3in tire not a 32 Andre. Now i will give you the interior on the Ram is the best in the business but who gives a crap about 4wd auto and the new Titan interior is top notch. The Titan also has a Torsen limited slip front diff that is fired using the anti-lock brake system. As far as price Titan Pro-4x starts in the low to mid 50's and it takes every option and usless after market BS to get it up into the 60's. So way to go, false reporting on basic facts and baulking a price that is way exaggerated due to the truck on hand with no explanation.
Love my 2019 Titan Pro4x. Fully loaded and an IMS 3 inch suspension lift complete with beefier control arms etc. Still cheaper than a Tundra TRD Pro by 7k! Absolutely love it, and eveyone comments on it. Many people forget Nissan makes a full size Pickup. Nissan also has great incentives. Before I added suspension, trifold cover, rock sliders and fender flares it was discounted to 49k. 5year 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty can't be beat either.
I will take the Nissan Titan!!!!!!
All day. Put a lift kit and some 35s!! Boom!!
From a ford to a Titan, best thing I ever did.
I have a 2021 Nissan titian Pro 4 load like the red one Got it for $49.000 look around.P.S Love the truck take one for a ride before you buy a truck.
Glad they brought out a Titan!
Nissan is the *ONLY* Japanese car company that makes real trucks. Look at that Titan, ITS *EPICCCCCC*
The titan is made in American
@@robertschlueter2510 True
Designed, built, and with parts ...all in America by AMERICANS. The Titan is truly the most American of them all.
@@robertschlueter2510 Yep.. Minnesota.
The sound of that Nissan! Glorious.
I was really missing Nathan. Its so great to see him again especially with off road trucks!!
Nathan is funny.
I miss the other chubby Canadian guy too
He's on another TH-cam channel
Does anyone know where he's been? I've asked on other videos and get completely ignored. Glad I'm not the only one.
@@bruinsfan8522
He broke his foot
I think he’s annoying asf
The Raptor looks like it should have the sound of that Titan V8. The Titan had the best growl and sounded very nice. Still the Raptor is always what reviewers are comparing the other off road versions of full size trucks to when really they should't. It should be a F-150 with FX4 Off Road package.
Agreed, plus the Raptor is $30-$40 K more.
The Raptor is a toy, not a real truck. It has very little payload and towing capability. It’s a toy for off road.
I think the f150 tremor would be the best apples to apples for the rest of these trucks.
My favorite would be Nissan. No mild hybrid, no start stop technology, no premium fuel requirement. I would say it's most old school of these trucks. But Nissan's pricing is crazy. At this price they can be used as dealership decoration or paperweight.
But you’ll still need premium if you want to hit 400 hp on the titan lol.
Actually the 2020 and newer Titans do require premium 91 octane or higher to achieve 400 peak HP and 413 foot-pound of torque.
and its MORE money... its as if Nissan has no idea they are the Cheap brand
Keep in mind that this particular tested truck had EVRY option; the video clearly said so. And the others did not. Unfair comparison as far as price goes. This should have been more clearly stated and further compared.
@@7thkev519 Not required though. You only lose a few HP on regular.
the Nissan may be unimpressive on paper, but as a brand they've been much better for me over the years. Chevy flat out ripped me off and Ford has only been OK.
RAM is probably good but I think I'll just buy another Nissan and not worry.
Titan is the best bang
Nathan: “Now let’s talk about price”
Video: “No no, we’re going back to tires”
Lmao that’s hilarious.
Yeah that was some sweet editing haha
Maybe it's a reference to how expensive a new set of rubber is on these puppies... 🤔
Accord to Nissan the ground clearance at the axle hasn’t changed but .1 inches, but the overall ground clearance is up 1.5in from non P4X to P4X. Just a correction.
I have a 17 Pro 4X and I love mine! Has those nice ass skid plates and a good amount of power even though it’s only 390, off road is a lot of fun with her! Plus you get the reliability of a Nissan which says a lot compared to the Chevy and dodge.
Yeah. You can't beat 5 years 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty.
I have the 17 Pro 4x as well and I LOVE IT. I came from a shitty Ram 1500 that fell apart. My titan is fitted with Rough Country 3", 33" tires... Flowmaster mufflers---oh yeah. ;)
Titan is sick
I see all the “where’s the tundra comments. Personally I think everyone is sick of seeing the 2007-2021 tundra on TFL. They’ve tested it 800 times. So people. Cmon. Enough with the old tundra. I’m sick of seeing it and I own a 2019 tundra myself. 😁. It’s a great truck but it’s old news.
Well said
I’ll still take the Titan over the raptor.
What vid where you watching. These were not all new models. The only reason it’s not there is because TFL couldn’t get ahold of one for this vid. I’ve seen no more vids on Tundra than any of the others.
@@josearellano3268 Me too. Titan is KING!!!
@@bc_usa ✊ Nissan power…!!
Just to help clarify this never ending confusion... A GM truck with rpo code G80 does not have a limited slip, it has an Eaton locker. However, a GM car with the rpo code G80 does have a limited slip. So truck = locker, car = limited slip, but same rpo code G80.
This is also the reason for why on a muscle car you can go do burnouts all day long with your G80 without instantly grenading it, but doing a burnout on dry pavement in a truck is the worst thing you can possibly do for the G80 locker.
You would think with TFL being in the car/ truck review business for so long they would finally understand this. It’s like a plane flying over there heads.
I think there was a small editing error when you talk about price, it says tires haha
I’d like if you guys start doing a turning radius test. It would be nice to know so we have an idea of how it would be for parking and such.
Am I going crazy or did the Titan have the most off-road tech next to the raptor but you said it didn't all in the same review 🤯 ps the Titan has 33s stock...
They’re all bias ford fanboy
Plus titan better hauling,towing, cheaper, reliable, and 100k bumper to bumper warranty.
They're Ford RAM fan boys 👦
It seems they significantly downplayed the PRO-4x
You can say that again.
The ride height of the Pro4x is NOT the same as other Titans.
The PRO4X have slightly taller tires than the other Titans resulting in either a 0.5 or 1 inch lift ( I dont remember exactly)
@@elizabethmiller7918 their Billsteins are an inch longer, and there’s a 1” block in the rear leaf spring.
TFL don’t forget the trail boss also comes as a custom which is a much better price point. You can get a custom trail boss for 38,000-45,000 dollars. I got my 2019 custom trail boss loaded with options for 43,000.
Oh sh$t!!! I thought you guys killed Nathan and buried him in Moab..... glad he’s still alive, and back in a truck video!!!
He's been around. I've seen him do some drag race videos, including the TRX vs. F150 Hybrid just a few days ago. He's been on the TFL car channel, too.
The big screen and dial shifter are not a plus in my book.
Because you have no idea what you are missing!!
I know exactly what I'm missing. I don't want or need either one in my truck.
Ditto!
Exactly, ain't nothing wrong with a smaller screen
These pickups seem to be aimed more at the Ford F-150 FX4, which makes me think that is the reason for the upcoming Tremor package.
You’re absolutely correct. None of those trucks are a direct competitor to the Raptor. The Raptor and the new TRX are in a league of their own.... Fords Tremor package for the F150 will compete with these trucks.
Tremor is going to slot in nicely for those of us who want off road goodies and the ability to haul and tow.
@@pajamatime5750 Meh. I would say the Tremor is more like the Tundra TRD Pro.
@@iamalienation1234 correct. None of them have locking diff in front. It was never fair comparable.
@@kdavid123186 I understand the torsion front differential will be late availability on the F-150 Tremor, that will edge it out over all these trucks except the Raptor and TRX.
Those tires on the titan is what I’m currently running on my ram and they are awesome
The NISSAN TITAN has 5 Year / 100,000 miles WARRANTY!!!!!!!!!!
That 400 hp Nissan will bust that ass
Got a 21 titan pro x ! Man that thinks kicks ass!! Test drove all the other ones but the Nissan I felt great and happy with my purchase
The Raptor is a purpose built truck. The only competition for it currently is the TRX. This is not a legitimate comparison. Obviously none of these other trucks are as capable as the Raptor. That said, I love your videos!
Not to mention 20-30k more expensive.
Dude you talking about FOX shocks 2.5 each one cost 1500 dollar a pair x2 3000 dollars more so basically raptor is only the shocks and better upper and lower arms that’s the only advantage raptor has
@@xxkaiserxx2505 wider stance too. Big advantage for high speed cornering off road. And 35 inch tires.
The Raptor is no doubt the most off road worthy but all of those trucks will get the average buyer anywhere they will ever really take them. By the way, the Nissan and the Ram have the same exact tire size at 275/70/18 yet you claim the Nissan has 32" tires while the Ram has 33" tires. The metric to imperial size translates to 33.2" x 10.8" for both trucks. The Chevy has 32.1" tires and the Raptor has a 34.4" x 12.4" tire. So not even a 35" tire if you were to round up. Again, the Raptor wins by a mile on the most serious terrain but for real world conditions where someone actually uses their truck as a truck give me any of the other three. Heck, give me a regular F-150 4x4 over the Raptor any day.
This video helps to make it clear why the Tremor was needed, big difference in all categories.
Nissan needs to do a better job of advertising, man. Give that truck a refresh. It's so badass!!!
those cold start revs hurt me😂
Not a street fighter I know but that 5.3 sounds great with the factory duals!
Imo those duals don't look right on a truck, maybe a car or cuv, guy down the road has a Denali, nice truck, but his daughter parked her Tiguan in front, and it just looked funny that her dual tailpipes same shape but bigger than his truck own.
@@garys2157 I agree they should of just went for one on each side. If they blacken those on the trims with less chrome they would look pretty good imo. I was just saying the 5.3 sounds pretty good in that stock form. (14 Silverado 5.3, 202k miles on mine)
@@joshschaefer7714 Yeah, the 5.3 does have a good sound, have heard some that I think sounded better than the 6.2, even stock I think it has more a "truck" sound than my F150 5.0.
Nice comparison. Glad you held back on the price to the end. A lot of personal upgrades can be made with $20K.
instead of spending huge dollars a loaded off road truck, Get a 'work' truck, then tow your side by side to trail. The cost is same!
My coworker does this but has a platinum F150. I get it but something cool and special about your truck on a trail
Agreed!
Listen up BOYS: No Raptor. Just bring a Ford 150 Pro 4X4 off road or whatever it's called, to make it fair. Then it's fair for everyone
Where’s the tundra
Exactly!
somebody really replied to my comment and said tundras couldn’t even compare wth
Just depends on what vehicles are in the press fleet at the time
no lockers . Not comparable.
After all this time you guys still dont know the design of the g80. Its NOT a limited slip
They’ll never get it
Lamenting Nissan's decision to forego the Titan Warrior. Fingers crossed for the Frontier.
The ram sounds like a vacuum. They muffled that hemi too much that it almost sounds like a v6
Restricted it for sure. Maybe it's so people don't feel gypped when they get the more expensive Ram TRX with that Hellcat. If Nissan can make their V8 sound that good Ram can do better than that anemic sounding 5.7 V8 engine.
@@buzztrucker yeah that makes sense. They definitely nailed the Ram TRX exhaust note. It sounds amazing 🔥🔥
You can’t compare those trucks to a Raptor. I love you guys but a Raptor is 90k. Not a fair comparison
Can you plz do the comparisons of the off-road packages on the trucks,I mean like the 4x4 off-road package ,Z-71,FX4 packages and whatever off-road package the titan has
Pro-4x is the only off road package for Nissan
Honestly tired of everything being compared to the raptor. Completely different truck.
I don't mind the Kneeson. But why would you want it wider then it's harder to fit down tight tracks. Sorry, Trails.
The Nissan is pretty nice looking. It's just expensive like all trucks.
Not at all expensive.
I mean I guess that’s subjective. But in comparison to the other trucks, and what you get for the money, it’s not expensive.
If they loaded them like the Nissan i guarantee they be around $63.000
Take off all the extras they used on the tester and you could still get a Pro 4X for $50K.
TFL: "We're unbiased" ... TFL when comparing the RAM TRX to the Tremor: "The RAM TRX is a way better offroader"; Tremor has better payload and towing. Also TFL, but when comparing apples to potatoes the Ford Raptor to competitors: "The Raptor has the lowest payload ..." yah, unbiased my axxe.
Toyota guys would be like " This is biased there's no Tundra because they would know that the tundra could out pull, offroad, outrun, and last 75 years and 4 million miles more than those other trucks with no regular maintenance"
Tundra fan boy are we?
@@bc_usa Sarcasm? Hard to tell over text online.
Please compare these off road in an upcoming video. I know you’ve done them all individually before but it would be nice to see them all on the same trail on the same day in the same video.
The Titan is in need of a similar treatment the Y61 Patrol gets in the Middle East! 😀
Trail Boss is a great truck!
I'm going to need to see it long term with like at least 150k miles on it to give it a good evaluation. All these pretty new trucks are great....but need to see how they hold up for a long term review.
no Toyotas?
Junk
@@aaron5222 best there is
@@alanbstard4 just got rid of my 2020 off road lemon. Toyota is going down hill.
@@aaron5222 that's unfortunate. Nothings perfect I guess. A landcruiser?
Don't need a Toyota review its been the same the last decade
I could have sworn the Titan pro-4x was an inch taller than the regular Titan. Maybe it’s just because of the tires
it is
It is..I own a Pro4x
Have a Frontier P4X but if it was in my budget I’d get the Titan for sure.
Every time I see that E-Torq motor I just wonder how cool it would be to build a go cart with that motor.
Ram and Ford are killing the truck game.
I have more than 60 thousand miles on my Goodyear duratracs and they have lots of tread left!
I’m very impressed with them. Mine are at 30,000 and look like they only lost 20% of tread life. I haven’t actually measured them yet but they still look great. My coopers at 30,000 miles looked like they have seen better days.
How you like your duratracs? I got BF Goodrich all terrain. Not bad of a tire but before the duratrac that I had were really good. A little better in my opinion.
@@ramrider1453 Mine have really impressed me usually I have to go buy aftermarket tires but what came on my trailboss have absolutely done well for me. Now they aint no true mud tire but for a hybrid tire they have done well.
Do you live in the city, or do mostly highway driving?
Those other trucks should not be compared to the Raptor at all. Raptor vs TRX is the comparison. Or just wait until the F150 Tremor arrives to compare it to the Trailboss, Rebel, and Nissan Pro 4x ...... Just my two cents...
I purchased the titan pro4x love it
Test drove 3 Raptors. On the freeway they were all very bouncy. Anybody else agree?
Andre: "The Raptor gets a small suspension lift ..." uhhhh ... I don't think so. When you compare the "other's" and their regular offerings to their "more offroad worthy" upgraded versions yes I can see that a suspension lift is performed ... that is NOT the case with the Raptor, it was designed like that from the ground up, therefore (contrary to the others), it was NOT AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
One thing that's not mentioned here is the longevity of these trucks. I bet the raptor would be the the first to have engine problems. I say that because I'm a firm believer that a candle that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long. Ford is literally are squeezing every ounce of hp out of that little v6 motor. Another thing to mention is mpg and fuel. The titan can run on low octane with only a 10 hp hit and it still gets 20mpg highway. What about the raptor? Gl running low octane or getting a decent mpg. The raptor is just a really expensive sxs. It's not good for much else. The other trucks are just that. Trucks. And honestly, for the price difference, you could make all the other trucks far more capable than the raptor for the same price.
Nathan and Andre is a killer combo
Nissan is getting there.. RAM seems to be losing its style to me.
Nissan’s engine is the best. Lower displacement than the ram, but more power. Second highest power in the group.
The rebel is a older design older head lights. This is why I bought a 2021 limited then I will do a few mods and have myself a rebel with more options
Agree 100%
Glad to see Nathan in more videos lately, especially sense he was one of the originals of TFL.
Comparing these trucks to the Raptor is kind of like comparing apples to a ribeye steak...
Exactly. They are all trucks and apples and ribeyes are both food.
G80 is not a limited slip rear diff it is, A LOCKER!!!!!!!!!
One of you just did a video on the F150 Tremor. Why no mention of it?
Why no Tundra?
And, my god just give me 4L 4H and a locking diff. All the other off road gizmos are just gizmos to confuse and break. If I go off road I want to test my skills, not the vehicles. It also won’t cost your first child.
We didn’t have access to one.
Rebel is high 60’s now. And the Titan has the best warranty and I think dealers are more apt to give better deals on the Titan because they are not a big seller. But a great truck nonetheless.
All these trucks and that’s the best video you guys can put together.
Maybe the new upcoming F150 Tremor is best suited for this kinda comparison. Raptor is in its own league! Yes TRX is now part of that, though it took 8 years for Ram. And the irony is the new Raptor is just around the corner again!!!
Jeez Nathan how many times did you say “ Am I correct” ?
If I’m correct he said it many times. Am I correct?
Give me the Titan !!!
You guys are great. More of these videos. There is a question for you: I want to buy a pickup truck for off-road and for the city. But which pickup is better under $ 60,000 and fuel efficient?
A Tundra TRD Pro would be a sweet add to that group
Why? Just to add 5th place??
Maybe when the new one comes out but the current one is from the horse and buggy age
@@Welcometofacsistube you must be joking
@@Welcometofacsistube Lol!!!
@@fritty9927 i never joke about overhyped underwhelming junk
isnt the power wagon the most offroad ram truck?
Potential Nathan Meme @ 8:35.
Nice to see Nathan back. I haven't seen him in videos lately.
With the raptor I'd like to see a test done between a stock air filter and a k and n air filter drop in air filter between engine noise, dry mpg, towing mpg and 0-60
No toyota tundra trd pro?
Im calling it now. Next year, we will be comparing all trucks to the TRX but the sleeper will be the new Tundra TRD.
Thanks guys...
*correction* GMC Sierra #AT4 has the 360 cameras available & the 3.0L diesel available. 2 things the #TrailBoss does not offer.
The Nissan looks really nice but I will take the Rebel and with the $6000 saving do some performance upgrades
That Nissan is ugly as hell.
J Maxey no shit Sherlock 😂😂🤢🤮🤮 it’s a Nisan
@@farmboygamer7877 almost had it right Nissan not Nisan
Josey Wales sorry that Nissan is practically a foreign language to truck people 😂
@@farmboygamer7877 kinda like those truck people who can't figure out Nissan are the ones who can't seem to figure out that Ram isn't a Dodge anymore or the diesel engine they use is a Cummins and not Cummings so I get it
Why isn’t the Toyota Tundra there instead of the wack titan
Tundra can’t even compete
@@user-ej2jh2ne9y what?
@@brendann7889 so a truck that last over 500k+ miles without any problem fox shocks and has a 5.7 liter v8 can’t compete
@@user-ej2jh2ne9y I think your the 14 year old 😂 Tundras don’t have fox suspension, not even the trd pro bud but nice try
Tfl doesn't have control on what vehicles are in the press fleet at any given time
16:29 during the video edit you copied over the “Tires” title card but didn’t change the text for the “Price” discussion.
My dad has many speaker's and has a 4ft giant speakers he has a JBL boombox and a JBL exreme 2 and another JBL exreme 1 and JBL Flip 5he had more but they got old and got kida mest up
Why didn’t they wait until a TRX was available to make this video? 🤨