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Ram BackCountry vs. Nissan Titan: Can These Two Off-Road Trucks Conquer The Ironclads?
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00:00 Intro
1:03 Titan Articulation
3:30 Ram Articulation
6:09 Titan Approach
9:02 Ram Approach
12:18 Titan Maneuverability
16:15 Ram Maneuverability
22:30 Titan Suspension
24:33 Ram Suspension
26:32 Verdict
#Ram #Nissan #Backcountry
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This is why I love this channel. You guys do tests others don’t.
I’ll choose Titan.
Turns sensors off and immediately hits chin.
Nissan “I F***ing told you!”
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The Pro-4x is a great truck. Best seats in the industry, and no cylinder deactivation or auto start stop. Plus 5 yr 100,000 mile warranty. Never thought I'd own a Titan, but glad I decided to take a test drive. Out the door for $50k.
Love my 2019 Pro4x! I did the factory warranted 3 inch suspension lift from IMS. Couldn't be happier with it.
We test drove and almost purchased a Titan Pro-4x back in 2017 but we couldn’t order the truck in the configuration we wanted. It was something to do with Pro-4x and tow package / trailer brake controller / 6 seats not 5 seat option.
We ended up with an F150 exactly as we wanted BUT the Titan was definitely an under rated truck as far as ride comfort and quality.
And with current gas prices I don’t regret having auto S/S.
Had mine since '06 almost at 200k never had any major issues, normal wear and tear. They are massively under rated. If they had not taken so long to refresh I think they would be bigger contenders.
Seats are fantastic. Most comfortable hands down!
We had a 22 ram 1500 backcountry on order, wasn’t even close to fully loaded. Msrp was 55k and was taking forever. We found a 21 pro4x with every possible option for 55k…we chose the titan.
Congratulations. Can’t say I’m not a bit jealous!
For the price and features, pro4x wins..mine is really good and the V8 is smooth! 2021 Pro4x!
A loaded Pro4X is $65,000+, not $55,000.
Wtf! I got my 2019 limited 4x4 for $58K prices are ridiculous rn
21’ Mojave Gladiator don’t care
Can we appreciate the fact that TFL buys several, expensive brand-new trucks and immediately takes them off-road, and is willing to do some damage to them all to bring us great, informative content? TFL is killing the TH-cam game.
I believe they are givin MOST of the trucks by the manufacturer. Some of the trucks are their personal vehicles though
@@TheFraziers I dunno for sure but it doesn’t sound like they own it at 7:43 . Oh well they are great guys and I love their videos!
Those aren't their trucks. Look at the license plates.... Tennessee manufacturer (where Nissan is based) and Michigan (where RAM is based)
Exactly! I love that about this channel. Roman doesn't mess around. He drops big bucks on brand new high end trim crew cabs and will immediately wheel the p!ss out of them. 🤣😭😂👍🏼🤟🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸
3 years into my 2019 P4x and have been very happy with it. I think it is the best value in the mainstream truck market.
Good to see a Titan back in the lineup 👍🏼
I was pretty much sold on the Ram until I checked out the Titan. I like the new safety tech that they are putting in cars and it coming standard in the titan was a big deal. A similarly equipped Ram was going to be almost 15k more than my 2020 Titan.
I think Nissan is in a perfect position now since the new Tundra is TT V6 the people who wanted a good old NA V8 that’s Japanese….I think they got a winner in their hand
Ford has proved you don’t need a V8 in terms of capability as well as sales.
@@spencertahan9814 Yeah well there are some of us that still actually use a truck for what it was intended to do so electric is out of the question.
@@spencertahan9814 It's not the torque. It's the longevity. When you load up a electric truck your range greatly decreases. Pair that with cold weather and hills where you gonna go? I don't have time to wait for my truck to charge every 300 miles. Not to mention the current electric grid cannot support all the electric vehicles they're pushing. Electric is not the future. It's very limited. Even Elon Musk states this.
@@jabroni6199 Ford sells because Americans want an American brand. Even though most components are made overseas. Same for Stelantis and GM
@@spencertahan9814 So your range drops to 1/3 if you max it out. So your talking 80 miles trips between charges (if it had a 325 mile range unloaded), providing you can find a charger. 80 miles and your charging for 30 mins plus... I can go 150-200 in towing and fill up in 5 mins...
I really hope the rumors regarding the “end” of the Nissan titan isn’t true. I really love these trucks. Nissan over the last 2-3 years has significantly improved their looks and quality.
looks??
Jalopnik just updated their article and the Nissan pr guy said it will continue..
On the titan yes but the Altima is a damn nightmare and constantly has sensor issues
Titan is no longer available in Canada.
100% agree.. I love my Titan and I don’t understand neither the hate or the under-appreciation
Went from a gmc at4 that I lemon lawed to a titan pro 4x in Baja wow what a dream to drive. So compliant akd powerful. I love the interior and the 5.6 liter v8 paired with the 9 speed. You press on tje accelerator and the sound that comes from that v8 is so satisfying. Does everything I need it to do.
I had my dream truck, 19 AT4 & it was a turd. Electrical & transmission issues. Pathetic release. It drove like a dream & it was as smooth as butter. It was just a pretty shell hiding a turd. Sad
@@freshwood4888 same here I absolutely loved the look of the truck but brakes failed on me twice and a bunch of electrical issues. Got my titan with everything the gmc had and more with a 5yr 100k warranty.
This Titan looks amazing
I was leaning towards a RAM but got a killer end of year deal on a 2023 XD Pro4X. I wanted the 6.5 ft bed and those were hard to come by in a RAM and similarly equipped, the RAM was going to be $10 to 15K more. It's replacing my '09 Frontier with 215K miles and that truck has been bullet proof.
How are you liking it? There is a 2024 titan pro4x XD that in checking out tomorrow, price tag is 54k lacking moon roof and heated seats, but seams pretty tempting. My other option is a fully loaded regular pro4x for 59k
How much did you pay OTD? I'm eyeing a loaded up Pro4x and am curious what others have paid
Hi, I purchased mine that week between Christmas and New Year and the dealer was discounting the truck. My OTD price was just under $55K@@EdBordas
2018 Nissan Titan Pro 4x purchased because of TFL. NEVER been happier! Unbiased honest reporting and comparison.
I'd say that Titan compares with the rebel more. That particular ram looks good. Both way too expensive.
I love my Titan, and I love the 5.6… I would take that pro-4x anyday, I just wish they would really make a warrior.. I think it would sell like hotcakes, a supercharged 5.6 with a wide body, new shocks/suspension, and the 37”s
Guys I’m so excited that you decided to do a long-term test on the new titan. I was just thinking about emailing you guys to do this. I want to buy a new Titan and wanted more information.
Brother I have one and is an amazing truck if you can do it you won’t regret it, I installed the Icon premium suspension which give you a lift of 3 inches and the ride is so much better 👍🏻
It's totally normal now to say..." this Truck/SUV costs $60K, $70K, $80K plus.." To those younger than say 20-25 (plus or minus)...it's hard to believe but these used to be the least expensive vehicles to buy....and this is why.
"It boils down to this: Americans are in love with trucks and are willing to pay more - a lot more - for pickups than for cars; and this willingness has grown in recent years. This has led to the phenomenon where profit margins for automakers are huge on pickups but slim on cars.
Ford proudly points this out at every earnings call, as it emphasizes how it’s selling ever more high-profit-margin “trucks.” Other automakers are doing the same thing. And this willingness by normally astute American consumers to pay so much for trucks and allow the manufacturer to make such FAT PROFIT MARGINS is fairly rare for a mass-produced high-volume item (the iPhone is another example)."
Glad to see yall have a Titan as a Longer term truck, but seeing Ram/Jeep/FCA long termers all the time makes the content feel a bit stale cause nothing really changes between them mostly. The Ram this is just a package on top of the current truck. Would have rather yall got more midsizers or even the Maverick as a Long termer.
@@larrysmith6797 FCA = Fiat Chrysler America
Always enjoy watching Andre's videos, you can tell he's having fun. That Titan is a great looking truck!
I got to drive a 2020 Pro 4x Titan a ton when I worked for Nissan. Freaking loved it. Loved the ride, the seats were awesome, tons of room if you're tall (I'm 6'4) and the Fender Sound System suited Metal really well. I want one for myself ahhh 😭😭😭
Got the Nissan Titan 2021 when it came out, coming from a GM I didn’t know what to expect. I’m now a Titan fan boy for sure as it’s a beast of a truck Andrew. Thanks for sharing 🙂
I'm thinking of getting the 2022 model over Tundra due to warranty. Hopefully you're still a Titan fan boy.
@@markus711 I absolutely am, it is my favorite truck by far, no problems with it.
@@OFFBEATFILMS1125 Nice. Glad to hear that.
I have a ‘21 Titan Pro4x and was able to address the problem areas addressed in this video with some simple mods:
1. I replaced the overly stiff Bilstein shocks with a full Fox 2.0 suspension. It gave me 2” of front lift (helps the poor approach angle) and rides soo much better on road and off. I added some SPC upper control arms to correct the alignment as well. Cost: $1600.
2. I swapped the 275/70-18 General Grabbers for some 295/70-18 Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/Ts. Not only am I now on a 34.5” tire, but the MTs grip so much better in all conditions.
I paid 32,600 before taxes for my 2021 crew cab 4 x 4 Titan new. For the standard features and the warranty it was the best bang for the buck
from whom? I'll take this deal.
I absolutely LOVE my Nissan Titan Pro-4x! TFL, thank you so much for buying the Titan for a long term test vehicle! I love my truck and I can't wait to see what kind of tests you throw at it.
i've got a 22 Ram BH with OR package. same as shown here (besides the Backcountry appearance bollocks) only 'mod' i've done was an immediate tire swap to 1 size bigger, 275 70r18's which are 10 ply and it was all it needed. it's an incredible truck for mild off roading as shown here and a quiet and comfortable hwy cruiser.
I’m glad they went with a Nissan. They’re so under rated. My 2019 pro4x has been awesome so far
The price in the end did not mention the titan for that price has all the safety features including all around view and front,back sensors and also a panoramic roof. Warranty for 5 years too included..
im sure someone other than me will comment on this but incase nobody does the Titan still has a V8 the Tundra doesn't lol. in this case ill take the Nissan all of its problems can be relatively easily fixed. hopefully it doesn't go away more competition is always better
The RAM looks real sharp, especially with that burgundy red color. I like coil springs!! Leave the E-Torque off, don't want it.
Love my ‘20 Ram 1500 bighorn. But give me a column shifter any day!! Too many rotary dials in the Ram!!
Every time I watch TFL videos on trucks, I'm amazed at how little they know about the trucks they are testing. Even more amazed that they are not very knowledgeable about basic mechanical functions. It's like they went to Starbucks and got Subaru drivers to do off road tests. For example, he barely bumped the steel P4X skid plate and stopped, yet he drug the plastic lip on the RAM and kept going. Also, all Titans have open diffs with ABLS and the P4X has the e-locker. Ram has a traditional LSD, so of course it' going to work better without the P4X's locker being turned on. He didn't even mention that.
I don't know about Ram but you won't pay anywhere close to MSRP on a Titan. I just bought one and look for about $10k off of MSRP. Love my Titan. I had a 19 F-150 that I was happy to get rid of (I bought it because my last truck was an 06 F-150 that had almost 200k on it). I am happy to be done with Ford!
Nissan did a great upgrade on the Frontier. Just want to give some credit to Nissan.
Titan is underrated and will outlast the Ram.
I bought my Ram 1500 crew 4x4 in June. The dealer had added a package that included an RC leveling kit, Nitto Ridge Grapplers 33x12.5R-20s (load range F) on Fuel wheels. Truck has the offroad package which I've used several times. The truck feels bigger than the '15 Ram 1500 I traded in.
My brother has a 2014 Nissan titan, 189.000 miles trouble free, runs strong
On My Titan, I removed the stock steps and has some actual hand made step/sliders welded on at the same level with the frame itself.
Titan is so underrated!
A Ram with the Eco Diesel would have been an interesting long term tester
Glad you all were able to get a BackCountry! I've had one on order since August 6 with no end in sight. Hopefully I'll get it around Christmas!
I got mine 🙂
Might make some videos there's nothing about them
@@dakpro8130 you'd be the non company owner making a video on it lol
I’d still have the Titan. I had one of the original - a base ‘04 model and it was excellent on and off road.
I just bought my Pro-4x Titan. I absolutely love it. I hear they're not continuing it. Funny enough, I was able to get it $8,000 under sticker - which is not happening with literally any other truck right now.
In Canada it’s called the North Edition. Same package. I have a 2020. It’s a great truck. The front end needs more protection for off road. The Hemi is awesome. The Falcon Wildpeaks are great in the Canadian winter. Mine was 50k.
Can you option it with LED head lamps? I was trying to on the RAM Canada site, with no luck.
They sold north editions in the states as well. In fact I bought mine new in Oklahoma! Not so north. Fantastic truck and off road package.
Titan blew it away in every aspect lol...Just bought a brand new 23 titan pro 4x with every options available for 51K plus ttl. Nothing came close until going over 60k and that was the Ram Rebel. Also NOTHING comes close to the Titan STANDARD 100K BUMPER TO BUMPER factory warranty.
Absolutely love the Ram! Such a beautiful truck and with those Falken Wildpeaks, it should be more than enough truck for most buyers. The 8spd ZF8 transmission is by far my favorite transmission in any truck to date.
A very happy owner of 2022 Titan pro-4X here. Easily the nicest truck I’ve ever owned, still smiling from ear to ear when driving it.
Better to damage the side steps then the body. Just saying
yes they keep yapping about this and manufactures are going to be happy to save on putting these on and call them "more off road capable" and then everyone will whine again about not having protectuong and need to get aftermarket stuff. sigh people need to think things through more
But there just bolted to the body seams, damage to the steps could damage the rocker panels anyway.
I have a Titan and your assessment is spot-on. I wish they offered a warrior package I would get it for sure.
For the people on here who say Nissan is dropping the Titan, you are correct, but only in Canada. It’s here to stay in America 😋
I see Titans everywhere here in Texas. Nissan may concentrate on select markets. They really have had a quality truck for a while but they just don't concentrate hardly marketing for it. What i also like is that unlike the big 3, Titans in a sense are more American than American mfrs as they have their mfg plants in Mexico where as the Titan and Tundra are based in the US
I wish manufacturers would stop investing money into making trucks look offroad worthy and instead just put it into what matters. No stickers, no sport bar, no steps, no plaques on the tailgate. What is needed is a higher front bumper with a better approach angle, actual all terrain tires which are at least 33", suspension lift, usable skid plates, recovery points front and back, lockers.
Off road vehicles with side steps, marketing people have never left the pavement.
my jeep has side steps but they are rock sliders also
I simply don't trust quality control from Dodge or Ram or Fiat or whatever the hell you want to call them.
Ram has just been awarded the best truck for initial Quality ..
@@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS was that award presented by CNN?
Their quality is better than Ford and GM 🤷 you sir have been living under a rock
@@scotttwood okay kid back to mummy's basement. Lmao
@@dor1tomcswagger69 definitely better than GM. On that we can agree.
Both nice trucks - I’d be happy with either of them
Yet you stuck with f150 😁
I really appreciate this intro into these long term trucks is a substantive video and not just a what’s next video.
My son has a pro4x hd with the diesel 45,000 miles and loves it so far
A high end PRO-4x I saw at the dealership recently had automatic retractable running boards. Very nice feature but also expensive.
This biggest issue with all these trucks is the absolutely ridiculous price tag associated with them.
Really enjoyed this review...my family and I have outgrown my 07 Wrangler and now looking at full size trucks that can take us to the places that my Wrangler could.
Bigger truck means bigger weight. The trucks will struggle more than the wrangler bases on weight alone. I have an HD and just tow a side by side. Now that thing takes me anywhere!
@@JoseVargas-mn1ek I'm leaning toward the Power Wagon and yes a full size truck certainly will not be as nimble as a Wrangler.
I just generally enjoy your off road testing videos. keep up the good work. I wanna see some more stuff like this, stuff that no one else really does at such a high production level. great stuff.
Yes more nissan!!
Be aware when ordering an eTorque Hemi the gas tank changes to 23 gallons 🤦♂️ There’s a 33 that is optional for like $400. Dealer told me some people don’t like the 33 because “It cost more to fill up”. 🙄
Glad to see this video, especially knowing it's long term, always liked the look of the Nissan but not sure about its long jevity. I've had Ram's (4) & they always gave me major problems so I'll stay away from those.
Thanks for doing what you do. Entertaining & educational.
@@larrysmith6797 ha ha ha
Sure they did
I have a 13 Titan. 98,000 miles. Tows the boat most wknds. Has towed a few cars several times. Never given me any trouble. Not a ton of miles but so far so good. I’m going to try and avoid the new truck bug and possibly take it to 200k.
@@AB-coyote that's good to know, like the way the Nissan's looked. But a definitely a big fat no to any Chrysler product. I've had 3 Rams 1500 & the motor's blew in all & my wife had a 4 door Chrysler car & the same with that peice of shit to.
Never had any problems with my rams since 2002 and now a 2019. Most brands have some problems and I’m sure Nissan will too.
The only man that actually offroads what otherwise would be pavement princesses
Since these are long term test trucks, you guys should do your tests to the trucks in stock form then at some point put 2-3 inch lifts on them and upgrade the tires to the same larger size and tread pattern. After that redo the tests - towing, off road, efficiency, etc.
Hey tfl you know what I would do with the titan and the ram is put a mild lift/ leveling kit on then and upgrade the tires and then go thru the same thing all over again and see what the difference is which one is better ?
I put a 2 inch level kit on my Titan Pro4x with bigger tires and it's an Offroad beast now.
Titan rocks!! Looks good too
Great video! Really looking forward to more content on the Back Country.
Trucks of this size need 35 inch tires, especially if they are off-rod trucks.
100% choosing the titan. I think the titan is much better equipped. Ultimately you dont need the dumb truck bars in the bed, the lights are okay but an aftermarket led bar would be cheaper and brighter. The steps. Always take the stupid steps off.
Nissan titan best👍
That first test, they both literally did the same, how was Ram better?
The backcountry edition is ment to be just above the standard factory 4x4 ram 1500 without going to a rebel which most people will most likely pick if they go offroad once or twice a month
I LOVE the paint color on the RAM. Such a beautiful dark shade of red/burgundy. I'm not sure that I've seen a color like that on any vehicles lately?
I don't know.. but regardless, I love it. 😍😍
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Thank you for watching and your kind words.
@@TFLoffroad And seriously Thank You for your channel and the information you all give us on these vehicles you've personally honestly have help my wife and I finally decide what we want she wants a Toyota 4Runner the mac daddy of them and I want a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk and honestly thank you for your videos I truly believe these vehicles will brings us some amazing memories. Have a Blessed day everyone
Coil vs leaf springs are a big difference win for off-road but towing will always go to leaf springs.
The back country is basically a built to serve but just renamed
BTS was a better value for sure especially when you consider it included LED lights. Can’t even get them with the BC due to restrictions
Good test! Glad to see you guys have the Titan long term I believe this truck will grow on you guys I have a 21 pro4x XD and love it just for the fact i drive something different than most! Not to mention how great it performs.
The traction controls in Nissans are amazing lol, It was kind of annoying when ya guys didn't use it properly but yeah don't want any freak accidents, I off road in my sv trim and it pretty much has gone through everything even up step muddy hills
What do you think of using the Titan as an long range overland build platform (35-37” tires)? Wheelbase is shortest in class.
As an owner of a 2020 pro4x I have to say, It is a nice truck. I dont have the camera system of the roof, but that motor is a beast!
Since you guys own these ones, can you guys take off the side steps? Curious to see how much better they would be without them. The Titan is the most underrated full size out there. I'm sure with how much the air dam bothers you guys (understandably so), that will be coming off as well.
I have the base Pro4x and it is just as capable...was
Man, put a small lift or leveling kit on that Nissan and it would be great. Ground clearance is it’s major hang up (pun intended)
Look up the devils punch bowl in Colorado. My dad took his 2018 pro 4x through it and survived lol. He was proud of the truck
If you have a back country ram & off road it you'd do well to get the badlands package which is a premier aftermarket package that can be added to most tam 1500s it's arguably one of the best aftermarket ram package available especially added to the Backcountry I'd advise anyone with a ram to check it out I was very sceptical before seeing it it's a great configuration
I'd never take new trucks like these on a trail like that. That's what old modified trucks are for. More importantly, which of these trucks do you like around town and on the highway? Which one would you choose there. Also, that Titan will have a lot fewer repairs, rattles and squeaks..
Thanks you, i'm french and i like our test!
Does the Ram have a lsd on it as well as a locker? Is that why It did so well on your first test?
I love the pro 4x titans. I wish they made the half ton with more towing capacity. Interior is pretty nice to but definitely time to upgrade the screen to match the competition.
I love the hate that people put on the Titan, I guess it must be because they believe it's a " foreign" truck lol. Designed in America ..built in America.
Ram owned by Fiat " foreign" and 1/2 the Rams are made in Mexico lmao.
Can we see some more rocky offroading with the new Frontier Pro4X?
Reliability on the Nissan is a very important point to have in consideration!
I could be wrong but I believe both have the same parent company Nissan was owned by Renault at 1 time which explains Dana rear & Bilstein shocks etc & the new frontier is like a modern day Dakota Nissan definitely upped their game to be able to compete with ram in full size segmant & compete with Toyota in the midsize where previously they were arguably outclassed I'm currently considering a frontier pro 4X & adding some nismo mods as it seems both tough & comfortable thank you tfl you guys provide us with the very best info & comparisons if you're a truck guy or in the market for a truck tfl will give you the best non partial facts
Probably unlikely to get answered but did you guys like the general grabbers or the falkens better?
Andre to the trucks: “I must break you!”
the ram rides smoother than Nissan Because the ram has weak coil over Springs under the rear thus 4th making a smoother rid the Titan has leaf over springs on the rear no brainer but the longevity of the leaf over system is far superior if you don't think so look at all the trucks on the road that have 300+ on them and never replaced a leaf on the spring pack.. think about it every time you do struts on a suv that has 100k on it it's better off to replace the hole strut assembly then to reuse the old spring from the old one thay are usually already weak
Springs are cheap who cares. My ram rides beautifully
As of this comment 8-2022 , I have yet to see a Ram Backcountry on any dealer lot within 500 miles of my residence . WTH , would be nice to see one or 2 . Thanks .
The deployable sidesteps are the best of both worlds. Even without a lift the step-in height for 4x4 full size trucks is too tall for smaller women, kids or elders. For the money they're asking for these trucks deployable steps should be offered farther down the trim levels.