Hey there. I've just created an official discord for this channel. discord.gg/JkyKAhjfzM There, you can find the pictures used on this video, including some that didn't make the cut, and, in this case, the P.11c aircraft manual. You can also contact me directly there and discuss any topic relating to these aircraft. I hope you join me there 🙂Thank you for watching!
I am jumping from Discord as I found it confusing to answer and communicate in general what we are talking about on your You Tube page. Best Regards, Jan
Great video, I loved it! I was always curious to see how my country, Romania, got it's hand onto these and even managed to have P.24s before the Polish had them! I thought it was a national project, but I am glad to learn the truth, although it is sad for Poland they could not field it in time. However they were brave both in the skies and on the ground, and the polish campaign, although overlooked, is one of my favorite ones during the war!
In Poland of that time there were policy to only have aircraft that were produced in the country, engines aswell... P24s had gnomerhone engine, which was produced by france. 24s were only meant as planes on export, and were never meant to be used by Polish Air Force of that time. Yes, they were better than Pzl 11's, but they (11's) were produced without theese export engines, and in case of war, could be produced independently of french engines, that would be needed if they wanted to replace them with 24's. Tl;dr PZL 24's had french engines which is why they weren't meant to replace 11's
@@NietoKTRomanian airforce becomes a brute filogermanic squadron...They want more and more planes,even when they new the truth...None cant fight against America and England despite of everytime progress in avionics field.America was unbeatable on the Skies due to B17 and B24 superfortress and Mustang...
I once read somewhere that the decision to keep the P24 as an export plane was due to it also being outdated but the funds recieved from sales could be used to research newer planes, including the P50.
Important part you missed with C version was change of wing profile due to a shift of one of the wing spars backwards reducing parasite drag. As later ace Stanislaw Skalski claimed “a version was bit of the mule when it came to acceleration. During my first flight in C version I was surprised how much quicker it was in a dive”. This small change in design intended as a way of making installation of bombs under wings possible made it perhaps first “laminar flow” wing fighter of the era. Another significant thing you missed was change of method of construction of a tail from simple metal construction in p.7 to stressed skin design in p.11 leading to significant reduction of weight. When it comes to G variant we are sure that one was finished but German reports from invasion of Poland reported meetings of couple of “p.24’s” due to unusually high performance of such airplanes which suggests completion of more than one- but we really cannot confirm it as polish archives from that period are less than being complete without getting full access to documents sacked my Russians (first directly from Poland and later from the Germans).
I have always felt sorry about this... Such an heroic effort made by the polish and it passes trought history totally unknown and unrecognized. 112 kills against the best air force of its time in not something easy to achieve...
In my honest opinion, this is your best video. But, being a Polish WW2 geek (greetings from Krakow, home of the last surviving P.11), I must be biased. 🙂 Anyway, thank you for covering the story of this remarkable plane in such detail and with your usual accuracy. It was indeed one of the best fighter planes in 1933. However, when its time came just six years later, it was lamentably obsolete. As you pointed out, opportunities to improve the situation were missed. Special thanks for stressing the importance of two factors that contributed to eventual collapse of Polish air resistance in the September campaign: one, attrition due to almost constant retreat from one improvised airfield to another (rather than actual combat losses); the other, Soviet invasion that made any further organised resistance virtually impossible. Thank you for a great video and I can't wait for another, be it Westland Whirlwind or not! 🙂
I think those figures (lost aircraft and kill ratios) are more impressive given the fact that a vast majority of PZL-11 losses were likely on the ground. Once airborne they might have had somewhere between a six or twelve to one kill ratio.
I think my personal favorite high winged plane is the Dewotine D.371 especially the naval version with the arrestor hook. But it's hard to deny the good looks of the P series especially the 11 and the 24! Good video as always look forward to seeing more from you!
@@Jeffers1960 I'm not familiar with that movie I would be surprised if they did though not many were made and quite a few were destroyed in the Spanish civil war
Primarily the Fokker D.VIII which Poland had post First World War. The Dornier 10 ton Wal in Danish coullors for the "Peary Land expedition" 1938 Lauge Koch (Cartographic Air Expedition) to search for Fatamoganaøerne (the mirage islands) NE of Greenland, and formost to determine if Perry Land was an island and therefore belonged to the United States or a peninsula and therfor would belong to Greenland. And I had almost forgotten to mention my favorite the PBY 5 Catalina. Good job from you. Hold on, keep going👍👍👍
One of my favorite fighter aircraft of WW2 - such a classic plane. Would love to see the sole surviving example that is still left in the word - think it is kept at the Polish Aviation Museum in Kraków. Reading a book on the Polish campaign it was interesting to note that the 109 played a very small role in that particular chapter of WW2. Most of them were held back to face an anticipated counter-attack by France/Britain which never materialized. I don't think there was even one Bf-109 ace of that campaign. The P11's main opponents (in terms of aircraft with forward-firing armament) were actually Ju-87s and 110s.
I was familiar with the P.11 but you made an interesting point as to how advanced this aircraft was in the early 1930s. Such a shame that the Polish aircraft industry stood still for the next eight years.
a kind of trap that the management fell into - "we have the best plane in the world" (in the early 30s). But the real problem was the lack of access to modern aircraft engines. The agricultural and poor country did not have the appropriate facilities, plants or staff. From this the successes of Polish aircraft designs such as the RWD-9 is fascinating.
The reason is simple - money. The economic value of production from the lands that became part of Poland after 1918 = 13% of their value before the war. Poland spent 20% of its budget on the army and even that was not much compared to two aggressive neighbors who did not recognize the results of the Versailles conference and questioned the legality of Poland's existence.
5:20 the numbers you're showing here about first version are planes gathered in the first line during the war. In reality PZL factory produced exactly 50 P.11a
squadron 316 "warsaw" - polish squadron who fought in Britain. They took the emblem from 113th Fighter Group which operated on P.11c during September 1939, however their owl was more brown than black.
Great video and narration. Hand Salute to the Polish pilots who took a bite out of the Luftwaffe in spite of being outnumbered and flying obsolete aircraft.
Morale. They just gained their own country back. Wanted it for more than 250 years. Had for 20. They wanted to protect rebuilt country and live happy life in families with childrens and grandparents. Hopes was cut with sad result. Russia took them all. Iron. Next rebuilt. Now again.
I heard that one of the first losses of the P.11 was the one shot down by a Ju-87 Stuka in the first strike. Interesting that the Poles flying Caudron 714's in France had to source their own machine-guns for the planes! and did well anyway!
Shame that our country has slept this little time of aviation when we could do something better than that. Like Romanian with their IAR 80 which share some parts from pzl
What should be noted is that Polish pilots flying more modern planes shot down 146 German planes in 43 days during the Battle of Britain. Polish infantry helped conquer Monte Casino in Italy. But most importantly, Polish code breakers escaped to Britain and helped the British in breaking Germany secret Military codes. The Poles had been working on cracking German codes since the 1920s and so, they knew what threat the Germans posed to them. I
Машина заведомо устаревшая и при встрече с "Люфт-Ваффе" шансов на победу уже небыло. Но каким то образом Польские летчики сбивали на такие машинах "Мессершмиты"-"Эмиль"! И даже нанесли Германцам ощутимые потери.
I have tried to send you this message several times. I find it extremely difficult to communicate on Discord and therefore do not wish to continue doing so; but prefer instead this You Tube channel.
Without USSR stabbing Poland in the back, they could have won that battle cos France was advancing slowly but steadily on the other side. Nazi troops' losses were rather heavy on that front. Poland is a big power again.
Lector of this channel every time when he has Polish topic: - Please don't have any complicated names, please don't have any complicated names... *looks at the names* - ... Kurwa!
The one in Krakow is a real P.11 flown by Waclaw Krol during the September campaign. It was on display in Berlin during WWII. The replica you are thinking of is in Deblin. The one in Turkey is a P.24.
![The Polish-Built Hero Of Eastern Europe | PZL.24 [Aircraft Overview #94]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qM141DqhBJw/mqdefault.jpg)
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Hey there. I've just created an official discord for this channel. discord.gg/JkyKAhjfzM
There, you can find the pictures used on this video, including some that didn't make the cut, and, in this case, the P.11c aircraft manual. You can also contact me directly there and discuss any topic relating to these aircraft. I hope you join me there 🙂Thank you for watching!
I am jumping from Discord as I found it confusing to answer and communicate in general what we are talking about on your You Tube page. Best Regards, Jan
Actually spot on pronunciation of most polish names, afaik You're not polish, therefore well done man! :D
Nice to see the greatest virtual pilot here : )
Yo, IT's you 😯
Hi smigol!!!!
Many of us are not Polish, but some of us can appreciate the wonderful Polish cuisine 😋👍
Awesome that someone finally covers the Polish P series of planes, since no one did. Thank you!
Rex's Hangar did, but on PZL P.7 series, plus there is polish videos on P fighters but it's in Polish by Balszoi.
Great video, I loved it! I was always curious to see how my country, Romania, got it's hand onto these and even managed to have P.24s before the Polish had them! I thought it was a national project, but I am glad to learn the truth, although it is sad for Poland they could not field it in time. However they were brave both in the skies and on the ground, and the polish campaign, although overlooked, is one of my favorite ones during the war!
In Poland of that time there were policy to only have aircraft that were produced in the country, engines aswell...
P24s had gnomerhone engine, which was produced by france. 24s were only meant as planes on export, and were never meant to be used by Polish Air Force of that time.
Yes, they were better than Pzl 11's, but they (11's) were produced without theese export engines, and in case of war, could be produced independently of french engines, that would be needed if they wanted to replace them with 24's.
Tl;dr PZL 24's had french engines which is why they weren't meant to replace 11's
Any questions? I'll answer them with joy
@@NietoKTRomanian airforce becomes a brute filogermanic squadron...They want more and more planes,even when they new the truth...None cant fight against America and England despite of everytime progress in avionics field.America was unbeatable on the Skies due to B17 and B24 superfortress and Mustang...
Some of P.24 was converted into IAR 80 by Romanian airforce.
I once read somewhere that the decision to keep the P24 as an export plane was due to it also being outdated but the funds recieved from sales could be used to research newer planes, including the P50.
True. Also work over these and other export planes consume man power that was needed to produce planes for the own army.
The main problem was the engines, which Poland didn't have. The P.24s were sold without the engine.
Important part you missed with C version was change of wing profile due to a shift of one of the wing spars backwards reducing parasite drag. As later ace Stanislaw Skalski claimed “a version was bit of the mule when it came to acceleration. During my first flight in C version I was surprised how much quicker it was in a dive”. This small change in design intended as a way of making installation of bombs under wings possible made it perhaps first “laminar flow” wing fighter of the era.
Another significant thing you missed was change of method of construction of a tail from simple metal construction in p.7 to stressed skin design in p.11 leading to significant reduction of weight.
When it comes to G variant we are sure that one was finished but German reports from invasion of Poland reported meetings of couple of “p.24’s” due to unusually high performance of such airplanes which suggests completion of more than one- but we really cannot confirm it as polish archives from that period are less than being complete without getting full access to documents sacked my Russians (first directly from Poland and later from the Germans).
I’m going to the Polish Aviation Museum in early October - I look forward to seeing this beautiful aircraft!
There is one at the air museum between Kraków and Nowa Huta, but on the occasion of my visit it was away for restoration. I really wanted to see it.
The second is in Turkey, it's a P-24.
Tak, piekny jest.
_"Repeat please."_
_"Repeat please."_
"Oh, for crying out LOUD!! I said, bearing One - Two - Se... ah, dammit."
I have always felt sorry about this... Such an heroic effort made by the polish and it passes trought history totally unknown and unrecognized.
112 kills against the best air force of its time in not something easy to achieve...
In my honest opinion, this is your best video. But, being a Polish WW2 geek (greetings from Krakow, home of the last surviving P.11), I must be biased. 🙂 Anyway, thank you for covering the story of this remarkable plane in such detail and with your usual accuracy. It was indeed one of the best fighter planes in 1933. However, when its time came just six years later, it was lamentably obsolete. As you pointed out, opportunities to improve the situation were missed. Special thanks for stressing the importance of two factors that contributed to eventual collapse of Polish air resistance in the September campaign: one, attrition due to almost constant retreat from one improvised airfield to another (rather than actual combat losses); the other, Soviet invasion that made any further organised resistance virtually impossible. Thank you for a great video and I can't wait for another, be it Westland Whirlwind or not! 🙂
The Consolidated PBY Catalina flying boat is one of my favorite🥰
The p11.D series was just beginning production when the war broke out : )
I think those figures (lost aircraft and kill ratios) are more impressive given the fact that a vast majority of PZL-11 losses were likely on the ground. Once airborne they might have had somewhere between a six or twelve to one kill ratio.
P-11s also shot down two Soviet SB-2 bombers, one R-5 reconnaissance aircraft , and propably two I-153 fighters,
Do you have source for the I-153 part? Genuinely curious
Thank you for this dive into our "Eleven".
You did not let down, as always.
I think my personal favorite high winged plane is the Dewotine D.371 especially the naval version with the arrestor hook. But it's hard to deny the good looks of the P series especially the 11 and the 24! Good video as always look forward to seeing more from you!
Isn't the Dewotine D.371 the plane they used in the Blue Max Movie?
@@Jeffers1960 I'm not familiar with that movie I would be surprised if they did though not many were made and quite a few were destroyed in the Spanish civil war
@@Jeffers1960 no that's a Morane-Saulnier MS.230.
Hello! Could you do a video about La-9, the legendary post-war super prop?
Great as always,the choice of planes,editing,narration,research..flawless. .eager to see the next one , Saudações!!!
I had a plastic model of the Polish P11 , thought it was a cool aircraft, i love it.
Same here, got it fifty years ago or maybe longer and still have it
Primarily the Fokker D.VIII which Poland had post First World War. The Dornier 10 ton Wal in Danish coullors for the "Peary Land expedition" 1938 Lauge Koch (Cartographic Air Expedition) to search for Fatamoganaøerne (the mirage islands) NE of Greenland, and formost to determine if Perry Land was an island and therefore belonged to the United States or a peninsula and therfor would belong to Greenland. And I had almost forgotten to mention my favorite the PBY 5 Catalina. Good job from you. Hold on, keep going👍👍👍
Piper Cub is a great example of a high-winged aircraft.
Excellent Production - Thankyou
Interesting video about a plane that is barely mentioned in most WWII documentaries.
Good work.
Thank you.
Thank you for an interesting and important video. Well done.
the day the P11z comes to Warthunder is the day low tier becomes unplayable for everyone but you Smigol.
Very good series, got your facts straight, with pertinent graphics.
One of my favorite fighter aircraft of WW2 - such a classic plane. Would love to see the sole surviving example that is still left in the word - think it is kept at the Polish Aviation Museum in Kraków. Reading a book on the Polish campaign it was interesting to note that the 109 played a very small role in that particular chapter of WW2. Most of them were held back to face an anticipated counter-attack by France/Britain which never materialized. I don't think there was even one Bf-109 ace of that campaign. The P11's main opponents (in terms of aircraft with forward-firing armament) were actually Ju-87s and 110s.
I was familiar with the P.11 but you made an interesting point as to how advanced this aircraft was in the early 1930s. Such a shame that the Polish aircraft industry stood still for the next eight years.
a kind of trap that the management fell into - "we have the best plane in the world" (in the early 30s). But the real problem was the lack of access to modern aircraft engines. The agricultural and poor country did not have the appropriate facilities, plants or staff. From this the successes of Polish aircraft designs such as the RWD-9 is fascinating.
The reason is simple - money.
The economic value of production from the lands that became part of Poland after 1918 = 13% of their value before the war.
Poland spent 20% of its budget on the army and even that was not much compared to two aggressive neighbors who did not recognize the results of the Versailles conference and questioned the legality of Poland's existence.
Tak.
Mam swój ulubiony górnopłat.
P.11
I'm very glad this video was recommended to me. You just got a new subscriber.
5:20 the numbers you're showing here about first version are planes gathered in the first line during the war. In reality PZL factory produced exactly 50 P.11a
I built a plastic model of the PZL. 11 but mine has Black Owl decal on it.
Are there any Polish friends who know about this Owl emblem?
squadron 316 "warsaw" - polish squadron who fought in Britain. They took the emblem from 113th Fighter Group which operated on P.11c during September 1939, however their owl was more brown than black.
With preservation efforts of historical aircraft what they are today I sure hope to see a P.11 built and flown! That would be amazing!
An-225 was my favorite, high wing aircraft.
I enjoyed this video very much.
Thank you.
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Great video and narration. Hand Salute to the Polish pilots who took a bite out of the Luftwaffe in spite of being outnumbered and flying obsolete aircraft.
Morale. They just gained their own country back. Wanted it for more than 250 years. Had for 20. They wanted to protect rebuilt country and live happy life in families with childrens and grandparents. Hopes was cut with sad result. Russia took them all. Iron. Next rebuilt. Now again.
Great content!
in the original IL-2 game these were easy to shoot down by staying above them and doing diving attacks
I heard that one of the first losses of the P.11 was the one shot down by a Ju-87 Stuka in the first strike. Interesting that the Poles flying Caudron 714's in France had to source their own machine-guns for the planes! and did well anyway!
Another great video.
same gullwing was in USSR modernization I-153 and 16 was newer and was in Spain so its not newest
Very nice video ! Thanks.
Shame that our country has slept this little time of aviation when we could do something better than that. Like Romanian with their IAR 80 which share some parts from pzl
not just some parts, IAR 80 is literally based on the P.11 :P the hull is pretty much the same
@@smigoltime i like your vids
The Herschel 126 is My favorite high wing plane.
The Vought F-8 Crusader would be a good example of a successful high-wing fighter aircraft.
Certainly not a fighter and ss I understand not a Joy to fly either. The B24 was the most versatile bomber of the war. Thanks! Wonderful Programming.
What should be noted is that Polish pilots flying more modern planes shot down 146 German planes in 43 days during the Battle of Britain.
Polish infantry helped conquer Monte Casino in Italy.
But most importantly, Polish code breakers escaped to Britain and helped the British in breaking Germany secret Military codes. The Poles had been working on cracking German codes since the 1920s and so, they knew what threat the Germans posed to them.
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Favorite goofy high wing plane? Probably the I-153. It was a good biplane. but just that, a biplane up against much better German modern designs.
My favorite high-wing aircraft is the Cessna 180...
did not know these astonishing successes of the polish air force. good.
Машина заведомо устаревшая и при встрече с "Люфт-Ваффе" шансов на победу уже небыло. Но каким то образом Польские летчики сбивали на такие машинах "Мессершмиты"-"Эмиль"! И даже нанесли Германцам ощутимые потери.
Valiant!
Very good airplane. Very rugged and reliable
1:59 The Yugoslav roundel you used was the postwar communist one.
Um português reconhece logo a pronuncia ❤
the Poles continued a path that Belgium had foolishly left in 1929 when it refused the Renard Epervier
Only original PZL.24 at Turkish Air Force Museum.
Poland's geographical location served them no favours.
I have tried to send you this message several times. I find it extremely difficult to communicate on Discord and therefore do not wish to continue doing so; but prefer instead this You Tube channel.
Hi Jan, sorry to hear that. You can contact me through the page's email: allthingsworldwartwo@gmail.com. Thank you!
Without USSR stabbing Poland in the back, they could have won that battle cos France was advancing slowly but steadily on the other side. Nazi troops' losses were rather heavy on that front. Poland is a big power again.
Lector of this channel every time when he has Polish topic:
- Please don't have any complicated names, please don't have any complicated names...
*looks at the names*
- ... Kurwa!
How about "biurwa" or "uniwersytutka"?
innovative?
The one in Cracow is made after the war, its a replica. The only surviving one is in Turkey - like most our surviving history things are abroad.
The one in Krakow is a real P.11 flown by Waclaw Krol during the September campaign. It was on display in Berlin during WWII. The replica you are thinking of is in Deblin. The one in Turkey is a P.24.
A lot of polish misinformation
no 303 Squadron wasn't the most effective and didn't have the most shotdowns in the Battle of Britain I see blunt polish propaganda again...
Legt euch wieder hin
Piękny polski akcęt w głosie