I was lucky enough to be shown round the NASM storage facility in Maryland in the mid - 80's, the BV155 was uncrated but unrestored in a very crowded storage hangar. It's a shame it is not yet on display, even in it's current state, but at least it still exists.
@@jonathanstein1783 Yes, and also a Ta152, Me410 and Ju388! And that's a very small selection, some of the planes are now displayed at Udvar Hazy but many remain in storage.
@@paulstroud2647 I wonder myself untill when will the Horten be kept that way...a piece of history hidden from the public. The first Stealh fighter ever built.
@@LeopardIL2 The Horten 229 was never a stealth fighter at all. It was designed as all around fighter and bomber interceptor. It's flying wing design was used by Northrop but it wasn't the first stealth or stealth anything
It actually wasn’t a reasonable project at the time they were building this plane because they heard about the B-29 but the B-29 had so many problems the real heavy bomber threat to German was the B-17 that’s what was bombing Germany non stop. They didn’t need to waste resources building this plane they had a shortage of raw materials they couldn’t build enough engines they should have used the resources on fewer new planes so they could be perfected and used rather then have tons of planes in development that didn’t get used or barely used. Like the me-262 was a plane that they should have put all available resources into making a reliable plane as fast as possible rather then developing a bunch of other planes at the same time because if the me-262 was perfected and reliable and early in the war easily could have changed the outcome of the war.
@@operator6471 again one of the Germans pitfalls. Thorough, but with a tendancy to overcomplicate things. With the British it's a case of occasional brilliance then go on strike. Meanwhile the Americans price everyone out of competing with them if necessary. The Japanese are very good at copying others and then resolve to do it better. For their part the Italians spoil things by arguing amongst themselves and the French are just determined to do it their way, just to be different.
@@davidgrahambrown3793 more if a light-hearted take on typical events and different how nations typically vary in their approach and response to various projects over the years.
Good video. Regarding wingspan, two British aircraft were built as high altitude interceptor prototypes. The Westland Welkin had long span wings like the BV155 but the Vickers 432 'Mayfly' looked like a fat Mosquito with relativley short and stubby wings. There was also the Lancaster based Avro 684 'Stratosphere bomber' - worth a video of its own.
IIRC, the Welkin top speed (just below compressibility) and stall speed were quite close together. Thick wing root. Ref the BV 155 long wing and heavy outboard radiators, I wonder if it had an excessively thick airfoil to cause a similar problem.
on the other side of the road of the Luftwaffe HQ, was the famous techno club Tresor back in the 90´s. you could look at it while high on music and drugs and chilling.. which is much more importand
The Germans wasted so much time on unfounded fighter plane designs, that it seriously hurt the war effort. The F/W Ta-152 was one of the best plane designs for high altitude defense built by Germany. But by wars end only 69 were manufactured and the number of experienced pilots to make the most of these fighter planes were in short supply.
You of course have the benefit of hindsight. There was absolutely no way of knowing in 1942 what the best way to achieve high altitude was or what the B-29 would perform like. The R-4360 engined B-29D could have been deployed. . The Fw 190B Kangaru with the turbo charger didn't work due to the drag of the pouch and meant a specialist design to integrate the turbocharger was needed (BV155 and P-47) and the Ta 152 didn't exist. The two stage Jumo 213E didn't exist and required GM-1 anyway. The Me 155 (latter BV 155) had been underway for a while and had been set up as a ultra high altitude aircraft. Its service ceiling of 15,000m ie 55,610ft was way above that of the Ta 152 H1 and it could do so without GM-1. The BV 155 could have a/ intercepted the B-36 (not just the B-36A but the B-36B and B-36C). Not only that, due to its sustained high altitude it would itself have been impossible to intercept when acting as a high altitude recon.
Lol your name checks out. Also, have the weapons or experienced pilots is irrelevant when you dont have the fuel. German planners knew before WW2 they only had sufficient fuel in their stockpiles for half a year or less of combat.
and it's a good thing that the nazis did waste all those efforts on bizarre designs because if the nazis had lasted another three months, they'd have been nuked. and we didn't nuke any body that didn't need to be nuked. i can see it now, a fat man 25 kilo ton 1000' air burst over Stuttgart...BAA DANG! third reich over.
@@cocodog85 That scenario would never have happened. The Allies successful landing on June 6th 1944 was the beginning of end of Nazi occupation in all of Europe. Japan was considered a Island Fortress that would have cost the lives of tens of thousands of Allied soldiers plus wounded and missing. The Japanese civilian population would have massive casualties on top of those of IJA military casualties. It was decided based on those recommendations and statistics that the two atomic bombs were used in a attempt to end the war and avoid further months or years of conflict. The Allies had zero need to use such a weapon against Germany as it's military organization was already collapsing by the day.
@@majorkursk780 what you have replied is what had happened. however there are plenty of speculation as to what might have happened if, and there are a lot of ifs, if the nazi super weapons, ie: jets, subs, tanks, had been brought on line earlier. some writers appear sympathetic to the nazi cause. the speculation surrounding the delays of the me 262 being a prime example and what may have happened if there was no delay. i merely point out that there are no scenarios where the nazis could have won. principally due to us having nuclear weapons. now if there were a bunch of people that need to be nuked it was the nazis. BAA DANG 100k fritz fries... there would have been no tears for fritz fries, then or now. starved
This video would have been interesting if you’d only have mentioned the TKL 15 turbo-supercharger, so now it’s twice as interesting! My engine interests have greatly expanded in the last year, so thank you - this is the first I’ve seen reference to this device.
Fun fact: The U2 has a 12 knot delta to fly at altitude. Meaning if you were 12 knots to fast you'd tear the wings off, If you were 12 knots to low you'd stall from altitude and have to do it all over again. So in that it was a very taxing aircraft to fly. I couldn't imagine, 12 knots is a very small window and this was pre flight computers so it was all you baby.
It's sometimes referred to as coffin corner. A little to fast and you will go into shock (which will cause control and lift issues) and a little slower you stall. Not sure if the wings would tear of but it wasn't pleasant.
Christ on a bike. That's why it's got an _autopilot._ I know executive jet pilots who have the same problem. WWI pilots had the same problem but no autopilot.
In reality, she would be covering her tanks while being behind! I laughed when the whole movie American tanks showed magical resistance to German shells! It's so unnatural and deceitful! But at the end of the video, the author allowed 4 American tanks to be burned! But it's strange to see it at the end of the movie, when the enemy should have already been destroyed! And it is very improbable when a machine gun is fired from the tower of an American tank without human participation! Final score: for technical performance - the highest, for plausibility and realism - the lowest! And this is the problem of all modern films: attention to detail and absolute disregard for the meaning and realism of actions!
Thank you for this coverage of this obscure aircraft. In 1970 I started trying to build a RC model of the Westland Welkin and read up details of the BV155 by comparison.
Thank you for covering this relatively obscure aircraft. 😊 I am VERY much hoping that you do a video about the TA-152H. I built a 1/72 kit of one in the 70s (it was the most graceful and aesthetically pleasing single-seat model I had ever built), but history books available in the US at that time were sadly lacking in facts. I hope you can help.
@@AllthingsWW2 No worries, no hurry, I'm happy to enjoy whatever content you offer in whatever order. Thank you for sharing your talent, research, and work.
@@Vrooto Where? Of the about 60 in-service Ta.152s, none reached altitudes above normal combat height or lower. It was a terribly unreliable aircraft with a performance much less that that put forward in development testing.
First time I've seen your channel. Nice job on this video. So I subscribed and enjoyed it. I remember this aircraft after seeing but the details I enjoyed.
The BV 155 was a very interesting and advanced high altitude fighter but as you stated it had a very convoluted history. According to a booklet I bought years ago it was much to blame the Messerschmitt company that was withholding needed info and only with great reluctance involved Blohm & Voss to develop their airplane because Messerschmitt couldn't handle so many projects and developments. Because of the war situation started very late on this airplane but Messerschmitt treated again and again badly the Blohm & Voss representatives including Voght, the chief executive. Apparently this airplane could have been developed almost a year earlier if it was not involved with bickering and politics. Apparently it is still in storage somewhere in USA! Good job 👍 👏
Yes the politics around Messerschmitt was madness The failure to develop the Me 264 left the Luftwaffe without the ability to supply the u-boat arm with intelligence or to arras the US East coast with mine laying or to force the US to spend money on its own air defenses. The BV-155 apparently had a laminar flow wing.
Messerschmitt was (almost) the ultimate one-trick pony. The BF109 was their only really successful product and that was severely crimped by its pre-war heritage. Me262 jet came too late basically crippled by poor management and poor design decisions. All that effort when the engines lasted 15 flight hours at best.
@@Dave5843-d9m it is quite complicated but fundamentally you are correct because Willy Messerschmitt was obsessed with his feud with RLM director Erhard Milch, but he too was no joke, because of this quite a few airplanes were victims including the Me 262A that delayed, including the turbojets because Messerschmitt was still very resentful regarding the awful debacle of the Me 210 (he never admitted his responsibilities, always the fault of other people...) it was worsened with his continuous political interference driving everyone nuts. Perhaps the greatest mistake of Messerschmitt was that was that he and his engineers was swamped with too many projects and developments, war situation included but it is just my opinion....
@@williamzk9083 Laminar Flow was theory only any blemish on a surface made it null and void And in 1946/47 When Supermarine made the Spiteful THEY USED A LAMINAR FLOW WING AND ITS mACH nUMBER WAS NO BETTER THAN THE OLD eLLIPSE WING
I clicked the video thinking it was more about the plane in War Thunder then it turned into the actual history of the plane and it’s development cycle and I totally wasn’t expecting that. Instant Sub for me boss. Very informative and the edits are perfect visually especially with the addition of WT.
@@Rico-v7r Oh you sluggish animal... Haven't you Americans yet understood that you decided the war, but still lost the duel of the engineers? The P-80 was not a superior aircraft. And all US bombers who were on their way faced the new German air-to-air rocket "Orkan" (Hurricane) from the 2nd half of March 1945, against which there was no escape with a bomber. In fact, from mid-March to At the end of the war, about 500 Allied bombers and Mustangs were wiped out. Thanks to the great experience and advance of the Germans in rocket technology, the German engineers were able to develop this weapon within only 7 months. At the same time, 2 different air-to-ground rockets were being worked on, which were specially designed for combating tanks... In addition, a jet fighter project at Focke Wulf (Ta 183) and Messerschmidt (P 1101, the world's first swivel wing aircraft) was developed ready for the front line from mid-'45, which practically represented the 2nd generation of represented jet fighters, as they were first used in Korea, which was clearly superior to the P 80. In addition, Focke Wulf was working on another jet fighter, which was similar to the English de Haviland Vampire, but would far exceed it in performance. In addition, heavy German air-to-air missiles were ready, which could be deployed from a distance of up to 5.5 km and guided to the target by wire control. This type of missile, of which a maximum of 4 pieces could be carried by a 2-engined aircraft, would have put an end to all night bomber raids. More than 1,000 of these rockets had already been completed when the war ended. All of these things would have confronted the Allied pilots. Because one thing is perfectly clear. The Allied air war over Europe claimed the lives of 150,000 Allied airmen... In addition, the Mk 108 was now installed in almost every German aircraft. The Me 262 carried 4 of these guns, nicknamed "jackhammer" by Luftwaffe pilots. The best way to understand why the cannon was called a jackhammer is to look at the English weapon tests after the war. I'll attach the short British film for you. Enjoy watching... But remember! It's allways only one hit... th-cam.com/video/91LUxqn1QY0/w-d-xo.html
The Japanese actually achieved better results in the area of high altitude interceptors during the war. While their planes didn't go as high as this, they got into production and combat. And they were an actual threat to our B-29s. And a challenge to our fighters! The Frank is but one example.
I would have to disagree. The Ta 152H achived 48,500ft service ceiling with GM-1. The BV-155 was expected to achieve 15,000m/ 55,610ft. I've looked at the Mitsubishi A7M Reppu, Mitsubishi Ki-83, Kyushu J7W Shinden, Mitsubishi J2M Raiden was the closest but the turbo charged version was cancelled in mid 1944. I can't find anything the Japanese had that was better than even a FW-190D9 or Me 109K4.
@@briancooper2112 The Frank achived its maximum speed of 426mph at 23,000ft. The B29's performance was Performance: Maximum speed 357 mph at 30,000 feet, 306 mph at sea level. Maximum continuous cruising speed 342 mph at 30,000 feet. I would immagine even the Frank would struggle at 30,000ft.
WHAT the *h* is this plane ? -I have studied WW2 since I was a teenager, and I have never heard of this plane ! -Very, very cool 😎 Anyhoo, best regards from Iceland 🇮🇸 😄
Thank you for this video. I have a model of this plane and I was curious to see the history behind it. Blohm & Voss is one of my favourite companies because they did make some vary unusual airplanes.
I’m not sure what the carrier fighter was supposed to look like, or it’s span. Was it the Bf-109ST - Bf-109T-1 - Me155-A? I wouldn’t think so,but would it have a wing similar to the Me255-C? Probably not, maybe something more like the Bf-109, especially since it doesn’t appear to have had been intended to use the TKL-15. Lots of,guesses from 1:10.
WOW, the Germans did build a carrier, very impressive but never had a chance to deliver to service. The German war industry was a mess, that was something that Allies should be grateful for it given the pioneering designs the Germans came up with.
IMO, this plane could be potential replacement for 109, minus all of the things for high altitude requirements of course I mean finally a single engine airframe that can hold DB603 engine Superior canopy design provided all around vision and no need gunpod for wing armament
Dou grato por essa valiosa informação. Ela demonstra o quanto a Alemanha foi a maior Potência Científica na época que levou a humanidade a evoluir 500 anos em apenas 5 anos.
Merely perpetuates this myth of “German Super Weapons” that would have changed the War into Germany’s favor. The designs for this aircraft started in 1942 when the Germans discovered plans for an American Stratofortress bomber that would fly beyond the altitude of German fighters. The fact that it did not fly into actual combat until 1945 was due to the fact that Hitler encouraged his airplane designer companies to compete and fight with each other in gaining favor with him. This unneeded system of internal combat caused the delay of putting this fighter past the time of its needed use in fighting the Allied bombing fleets. Fyi, the Germans had also developed a cheap, mass produced surface to air missile that could have knocked down Allied bomber fleets more effectively than anti-aircraft artillery or their Wonder Weapons jets. Unfortunately, they were more interested in producing Offensive Weapons like the V-1 and the V-2 missiles as Hitler was intent on seeking Vengeance on the English people for not allying themselves to his Nation as he felt they were a Racial Offshoot of his Aryan Race. He loved Vengeance more than protecting his own Germans.
That wing looks very much like the wing of the British B-57 Canberra High altitude aircraft used in Vietnam for Recon. With engines where the wing mounted radiators are. I suppose a good high-altitude wing design can be used in different aircraft.
I made my practical exam to Maschinenschlosser at Blohm & Voss beginning 1987. Blohm & Voss is today highly subsidized company from Hamburg government. Cause Blohm & Voss is not competitve anymore on the worldmarket. Producing today war ships and super jachts for Russian billionairs like Abramovich and others. No more planes.
@@williamzk9083 The intention/goal for the Bv155 was for it to have a service ceiling of around 55,000ft and a speed of 400mph but that was never achieved.
@@williamzk9083 The U2 had a service selling of 80,000ft which is roughly 25,000ft higher than the Bv155 (the Bv155 never reached 55,000ft) and the U2 had a max speed of 500mph which is 100mph faster than the Bv155 (the Bv155 never reached 400mph). Those are massive differences
By now i do understand it very well; All German Wonder Weapons in WWII came too late and in low numbers to have a real effect on the War outcome!! 10 fast Aircrafts were only 10 very few against 100 Allied planes!!
Had the war in Europe taken another year or two, B-29's WOULD have been over Germany and this aircraft would have been in production to contest that airspace.
It wouldn't have been accepted for service unless Willie Messerschmitt used some political Leverage The Ta-152 was cheaper and capable of doing the job.
I wonder why they didn't consider a twin-engined heavy fighter for this role, knowing how tough the B-29 was to shoot down and how well armed and fast it was. One would think a twin-engined fighter with more horsepower, more firepower, and more speed would be better suited for its intended role.
я не увидел в корне крыла ламинарного профиля . зачем радиаторы ставили на середине размаха крыла ? В видео вы перепутали удлинение и аэродинамическое качество . И при таком размахе , визуально , удлинение далеко за 10 единиц .
10:58 « ... admire the determination ... » Yeah. For _that_ project and for _others projects_ that *A LOT* of War Thuinder players seem to regret that they did not succeed (I reported 3 more yesterday). And the problem with videos like this - for all that well done - is to systematically show this little-missed Germany as having an undeniable technological and intellectual superiority. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Allies, led by the Americans, did not embark on expensive and time-consuming projects. They made best use of mastered technologies rather than making science fiction.
They should have never went with this idea. Focke-Wulf was working on the Ta 152H high-altitude version of the Ta 152 at the same time, and they should have devoted resources to get that into production earlier.
Molt interessant! Hi ha tal quantitat d'armes, plans i projectes estranys de la IIGM que no te'ls acabes mai! Sempre pots trobar noves coses sorprenents.
Si el B29 hubiese llegado al teatro de guerra europeo, el BV 155 no hubiese tenido mucho que hacer ya que llego muy tarde para ser producido y cuando Alemania ya no tenia la suficiente capacidad industrial para fabricarlo en masa. Ni hablar de una cantidad y calidad suficiente de pilotos para volarlo.
difference between empty weight and fully loaded weight MUST be wrong. It's not enough to cover pilot+fuel, let alone ammunition for the guns. Likely one of them is a different weight.
1. only prototype aircraft were made - thus these are NOT combat numbers, but just pure speculation. 2. Nearly everytime an aircraft goes from prototype to combat the performance decreases until it is developed more 3. a flying prototype does NOT make a successful combat aircraft nor a combat ready weapons system e.g. MB5 4. Germany did not need it. 5. Germany did not have the logistics to support their conventional air force - just look at how many Ta-152's were made and what their operational efficiency was and that was a very capable plane.
Anyone who says that Germany would of still lost even if they had waited 3 more years before starting the war has no idea what their talking about Germany was light years ahead of the rest of the world.
Or you could look at it another way and conclude that another 3 years might have given Britain and France the time to evaluate the threat correctly and prepare. Much has been made of British disorganisation WRT to things like tank design, when the truth was that British designers and officers knew what was needed but were hamstrung by lack of suitable engines and by immediate critical needs disrupting development and by the rationing of resources. Contrary to popular belief, management of aircraft engine design by the British was far superior to that of the Germans, so time may have benefited the Britain more than Germany.Another 3 years may well have seen the Soviets recover from their military purges and modernise their equipment.
@@nerdyali4154 Hmmm these are interesting facts and a definitely a possibility, however the allies were in rudimentary stages of jet and missile development at the end of the war, the capture of German scientist are what propelled the USA to superpower status so quickly in the 50s.
They were behind in metallurgy electronics and nuclear engineering If they had waited 3 years they would have run into a fully rearmed Britain and France. Germany had a small window of opportunity in 1939 in 1940 and they took advantage of it
@@jamesricker3997 The Germans were not really behind in metallurgy and nuclear science however due to the fact they were denied access to the raw materials needed all they had was knowledge with no way to progress to working prototypes. The missiles and jets they built had been dumbed down to the utilize the available resources. The US did not have this restrictions.
This clearly justifies the bombing offensive that delayed development of new technologies. Imagine what the implications of such aircraft being in service a couple of years earlier!
they are too much onto advanced tech and forget simple thing. germany only need new larger fuel tank or external fuel tank for the 109 and other, and new landing gear strut to win the battle of brittain yet they never do it --"
For real some people keep saying that bombing had no effect to german when it was quite opposite happen, another example is Ta 154 development, the moment they it about to enter production the glue factory got bombed forcing it to use less quality, corrosive glue instead, the glue was worked but not for long forcing them to cancel it
I guess the Germans were misled about the altitude capability of the B-29? It's service ceiling was actually less than the B-17. So what made them think they needed a 52,000 foot interceptor to counter the B-29?
@@gregoryfuller1136 The point is that the Germans were wasting time and money trying to develop a plane that could intercept bombers at 52,000 feet when the planes they were worried about had a service ceiling of 32,000 feet. Maybe they had some other use in mind for it, but according to this video it was being designed to counter B-29s.
The highest interception of WW2 was in 1942, when a Spitfire shot at a German bomber at 43,000 feet. The bomber was damaged and forced to withdraw. If the Germans had introduced an ultra-high altitude interceptor, a Spitfire or the Welkin would've been there to shoot it down.
I was lucky enough to be shown round the NASM storage facility in Maryland in the mid - 80's, the BV155 was uncrated but unrestored in a very crowded storage hangar. It's a shame it is not yet on display, even in it's current state, but at least it still exists.
So does the one remaining Horton 229 (?) reside there. Did you by chance see it as well?
@@jonathanstein1783 Yes, and also a Ta152, Me410 and Ju388! And that's a very small selection, some of the planes are now displayed at Udvar Hazy but many remain in storage.
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@@paulstroud2647 I wonder myself untill when will the Horten be kept that way...a piece of history hidden from the public. The first Stealh fighter ever built.
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The Horten 229 was never a stealth fighter at all. It was designed as all around fighter and bomber interceptor. It's flying wing design was used by Northrop but it wasn't the first stealth or stealth anything
Compared to other late war developments the BV155 was a very reasonable project.
It actually wasn’t a reasonable project at the time they were building this plane because they heard about the B-29 but the B-29 had so many problems the real heavy bomber threat to German was the B-17 that’s what was bombing Germany non stop. They didn’t need to waste resources building this plane they had a shortage of raw materials they couldn’t build enough engines they should have used the resources on fewer new planes so they could be perfected and used rather then have tons of planes in development that didn’t get used or barely used. Like the me-262 was a plane that they should have put all available resources into making a reliable plane as fast as possible rather then developing a bunch of other planes at the same time because if the me-262 was perfected and reliable and early in the war easily could have changed the outcome of the war.
It looks a little like a U2, and if it looks right it probably is right. As my old dad used to say "Good engineers, the Germans".
Indeed but over engineered for machinery that had a limited lifespan.
@@operator6471 again one of the Germans pitfalls. Thorough, but with a tendancy to overcomplicate things. With the British it's a case of occasional brilliance then go on strike. Meanwhile the Americans price everyone out of competing with them if necessary. The Japanese are very good at copying others and then resolve to do it better. For their part the Italians spoil things by arguing amongst themselves and the French are just determined to do it their way, just to be different.
@@rob5944 Interesting history lesson.
@@davidgrahambrown3793 more if a light-hearted take on typical events and different how nations typically vary in their approach and response to various projects over the years.
@@rob5944 haha perfect analogy
At 3:54 there is a picture of Richard Vogt & Ernst Udet with his Pour le Merite!!! AKA The Blue Max!!!
Good video. Regarding wingspan, two British aircraft were built as high altitude interceptor prototypes. The Westland Welkin had long span wings like the BV155 but the Vickers 432 'Mayfly' looked like a fat Mosquito with relativley short and stubby wings. There was also the Lancaster based Avro 684 'Stratosphere bomber' - worth a video of its own.
IIRC, the Welkin top speed (just below compressibility) and stall speed were quite close together. Thick wing root.
Ref the BV 155 long wing and heavy outboard radiators, I wonder if it had an excessively thick airfoil to cause a similar problem.
on the other side of the road of the Luftwaffe HQ, was the famous techno club Tresor back in the 90´s. you could look at it while high on music and drugs and chilling.. which is much more importand
The Germans wasted so much time on unfounded fighter plane designs, that it seriously hurt the war effort. The F/W Ta-152 was one of the best plane designs for high altitude defense built by Germany.
But by wars end only 69 were manufactured and the number of experienced pilots to make the most of these fighter planes were in short supply.
You of course have the benefit of hindsight. There was absolutely no way of knowing in 1942 what the best way to achieve high altitude was or what the B-29 would perform like. The R-4360 engined B-29D could have been deployed. . The Fw 190B Kangaru with the turbo charger didn't work due to the drag of the pouch and meant a specialist design to integrate the turbocharger was needed (BV155 and P-47) and the Ta 152 didn't exist. The two stage Jumo 213E didn't exist and required GM-1 anyway. The Me 155 (latter BV 155) had been underway for a while and had been set up as a ultra high altitude aircraft. Its service ceiling of 15,000m ie 55,610ft was way above that of the Ta 152 H1 and it could do so without GM-1. The BV 155 could have a/ intercepted the B-36 (not just the B-36A but the B-36B and B-36C). Not only that, due to its sustained high altitude it would itself have been impossible to intercept when acting as a high altitude recon.
Lol your name checks out. Also, have the weapons or experienced pilots is irrelevant when you dont have the fuel. German planners knew before WW2 they only had sufficient fuel in their stockpiles for half a year or less of combat.
and it's a good thing that the nazis did waste all those efforts on bizarre designs because if the nazis had lasted another three months, they'd have been nuked. and we didn't nuke any body that didn't need to be nuked.
i can see it now, a fat man 25 kilo ton 1000' air burst over Stuttgart...BAA DANG! third reich over.
@@cocodog85 That scenario would never have happened. The Allies successful landing on June 6th 1944 was the beginning of end of Nazi occupation in all of Europe.
Japan was considered a Island Fortress that would have cost the lives of tens of thousands of Allied soldiers plus wounded and missing. The Japanese civilian population would have massive casualties on top of those of IJA military casualties. It was decided based on those recommendations and statistics that the two atomic bombs were used in a attempt to end the war and avoid further months or years of conflict.
The Allies had zero need to use such a weapon against Germany as it's military organization was already collapsing by the day.
@@majorkursk780 what you have replied is what had happened. however there are plenty of speculation as to what might have happened if, and there are a lot of ifs, if the nazi super weapons, ie: jets, subs, tanks, had been brought on line earlier.
some writers appear sympathetic to the nazi cause. the speculation surrounding the delays of the me 262 being a prime example and what may have happened if there was no delay. i merely point out that there are no scenarios where the nazis could have won. principally due to us having nuclear weapons.
now if there were a bunch of people that need to be nuked it was the nazis.
BAA DANG 100k fritz fries... there would have been no tears for fritz fries, then or now.
starved
This video would have been interesting if you’d only have mentioned the TKL 15 turbo-supercharger, so now it’s twice as interesting! My engine interests have greatly expanded in the last year, so thank you - this is the first I’ve seen reference to this device.
You need to read Callum Douglas’ The Secret Horsepower Race. An awesome read!
Are you familiar with "Greg’s Airplanes and Automobiles" TH-cam channel? It’s a good one if you are interested in airplane engines from this era.
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Fun fact: The U2 has a 12 knot delta to fly at altitude. Meaning if you were 12 knots to fast you'd tear the wings off, If you were 12 knots to low you'd stall from altitude and have to do it all over again. So in that it was a very taxing aircraft to fly. I couldn't imagine, 12 knots is a very small window and this was pre flight computers so it was all you baby.
It's sometimes referred to as coffin corner. A little to fast and you will go into shock (which will cause control and lift issues) and a little slower you stall. Not sure if the wings would tear of but it wasn't pleasant.
the speed could have been regulated mechanically but of well
Christ on a bike. That's why it's got an _autopilot._ I know executive jet pilots who have the same problem. WWI pilots had the same problem but no autopilot.
In reality, she would be covering her tanks while being behind! I laughed when the whole movie American tanks showed magical resistance to German shells! It's so unnatural and deceitful! But at the end of the video, the author allowed 4 American tanks to be burned! But it's strange to see it at the end of the movie, when the enemy should have already been destroyed! And it is very improbable when a machine gun is fired from the tower of an American tank without human participation! Final score: for technical performance - the highest, for plausibility and realism - the lowest! And this is the problem of all modern films: attention to detail and absolute disregard for the meaning and realism of actions!
At 3:50 I think that's Udet next to Vogt?
Thank you for this coverage of this obscure aircraft. In 1970 I started trying to build a RC model of the Westland Welkin and read up details of the BV155 by comparison.
Thank you for covering this relatively obscure aircraft. 😊
I am VERY much hoping that you do a video about the TA-152H. I built a 1/72 kit of one in the 70s (it was the most graceful and aesthetically pleasing single-seat model I had ever built), but history books available in the US at that time were sadly lacking in facts. I hope you can help.
The Ta 152 video will happen, but I can't give an estimate on when. Thank you for your suggestion.
@@AllthingsWW2 No worries, no hurry, I'm happy to enjoy whatever content you offer in whatever order. Thank you for sharing your talent, research, and work.
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@@AllthingsWW2hey uhhh where's the Ta 152H?
@@Vrooto Where? Of the about 60 in-service Ta.152s, none reached altitudes above normal combat height or lower. It was a terribly unreliable aircraft with a performance much less that that put forward in development testing.
Thank you. Never heard of this airplane. Very fascinating "what if" plane.
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Greg’s automobiles and airplanes has a good video on the ta152.
In the Luft'46 comic, the B&V 155C was built as a carrier version (even been sold to the IJN!)
By that point there would have been B-36, B-45 and B-50 bombers escorted by P-80 comets.
@@Rico-v7r yes, plus P-74, P-84, P-82, among others
@@and15re1 Definently. The P/F-84 also ended up being used on Carriers.
Here's a list I made.
First time I've seen your channel.
Nice job on this video. So I subscribed and enjoyed it. I remember this aircraft after seeing but the details I enjoyed.
Nice work!! 👏🏻
The BV 155 was a very interesting and advanced high altitude fighter but as you stated it had a very convoluted history. According to a booklet I bought years ago it was much to blame the Messerschmitt company that was withholding needed info and only with great reluctance involved Blohm & Voss to develop their airplane because Messerschmitt couldn't handle so many projects and developments. Because of the war situation started very late on this airplane but Messerschmitt treated again and again badly the Blohm & Voss representatives including Voght, the chief executive. Apparently this airplane could have been developed almost a year earlier if it was not involved with bickering and politics. Apparently it is still in storage somewhere in USA! Good job 👍 👏
Yes the politics around Messerschmitt was madness The failure to develop the Me 264 left the Luftwaffe without the ability to supply the u-boat arm with intelligence or to arras the US East coast with mine laying or to force the US to spend money on its own air defenses. The BV-155 apparently had a laminar flow wing.
Messerschmitt was (almost) the ultimate one-trick pony. The BF109 was their only really successful product and that was severely crimped by its pre-war heritage. Me262 jet came too late basically crippled by poor management and poor design decisions. All that effort when the engines lasted 15 flight hours at best.
@@Dave5843-d9m it is quite complicated but fundamentally you are correct because Willy Messerschmitt was obsessed with his feud with RLM director Erhard Milch, but he too was no joke, because of this quite a few airplanes were victims including the Me 262A that delayed, including the turbojets because Messerschmitt was still very resentful regarding the awful debacle of the Me 210 (he never admitted his responsibilities, always the fault of other people...) it was worsened with his continuous political interference driving everyone nuts. Perhaps the greatest mistake of Messerschmitt was that was that he and his engineers was swamped with too many projects and developments, war situation included but it is just my opinion....
@@paoloviti6156 Interesting comment 👍🙂
@@williamzk9083 Laminar Flow was theory only any blemish on a surface made it null and void And in 1946/47 When Supermarine made the Spiteful THEY USED A LAMINAR FLOW WING AND ITS mACH nUMBER WAS NO BETTER THAN THE OLD eLLIPSE WING
Man the wings alone are menacing enough to scare a bomber.
The B29s were laden with remote controlled turrets.
I clicked the video thinking it was more about the plane in War Thunder then it turned into the actual history of the plane and it’s development cycle and I totally wasn’t expecting that. Instant Sub for me boss. Very informative and the edits are perfect visually especially with the addition of WT.
Same here
Thank you for covering this aircraft! It's a fascinating piece of history!
Thanks!
Fascinating story.
Amazing performance.
Thank you.
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Good information on this aircraft 55000 ft is a remarkable height for a single engined fighter even if this figure is a claimed one by Blomn and Voss
Very informative and good quality video.
I never heard about this plane before.
Thanks for the good video!
Very interesting. A bit strange looking but a lot are and do very well. First I've heard of this aircraft. Thanks for posting.
Hitler probably also wanted it to be a dive bomber, lol.
No gorring probably wanted it to be a bomber.
The Ta-152 was suffecent to counter the B-29
The Germans obviously got wind of the B-36
Right, by that point there would have been B-36, B-45 and B-50s escorted by P-80s
@@Rico-v7r Oh you sluggish animal... Haven't you Americans yet understood that you decided the war, but still lost the duel of the engineers? The P-80 was not a superior aircraft. And all US bombers who were on their way faced the new German air-to-air rocket "Orkan" (Hurricane) from the 2nd half of March 1945, against which there was no escape with a bomber. In fact, from mid-March to At the end of the war, about 500 Allied bombers and Mustangs were wiped out. Thanks to the great experience and advance of the Germans in rocket technology, the German engineers were able to develop this weapon within only 7 months. At the same time, 2 different air-to-ground rockets were being worked on, which were specially designed for combating tanks... In addition, a jet fighter project at Focke Wulf (Ta 183) and Messerschmidt (P 1101, the world's first swivel wing aircraft) was developed ready for the front line from mid-'45, which practically represented the 2nd generation of represented jet fighters, as they were first used in Korea, which was clearly superior to the P 80. In addition, Focke Wulf was working on another jet fighter, which was similar to the English de Haviland Vampire, but would far exceed it in performance. In addition, heavy German air-to-air missiles were ready, which could be deployed from a distance of up to 5.5 km and guided to the target by wire control. This type of missile, of which a maximum of 4 pieces could be carried by a 2-engined aircraft, would have put an end to all night bomber raids. More than 1,000 of these rockets had already been completed when the war ended. All of these things would have confronted the Allied pilots. Because one thing is perfectly clear. The Allied air war over Europe claimed the lives of 150,000 Allied airmen... In addition, the Mk 108 was now installed in almost every German aircraft. The Me 262 carried 4 of these guns, nicknamed "jackhammer" by Luftwaffe pilots. The best way to understand why the cannon was called a jackhammer is to look at the English weapon tests after the war. I'll attach the short British film for you. Enjoy watching...
But remember! It's allways only one hit...
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It doesn't actually shoot through the engine unless it has a very special crankshaft but we know what you mean. 🙂
The Japanese actually achieved better results in the area of high altitude interceptors during the war. While their planes didn't go as high as this, they got into production and combat. And they were an actual threat to our B-29s. And a challenge to our fighters! The Frank is but one example.
I would have to disagree. The Ta 152H achived 48,500ft service ceiling with GM-1. The BV-155 was expected to achieve 15,000m/ 55,610ft.
I've looked at the Mitsubishi A7M Reppu, Mitsubishi Ki-83, Kyushu J7W Shinden, Mitsubishi J2M Raiden was the closest but the turbo charged version was cancelled in mid 1944. I can't find anything the Japanese had that was better than even a FW-190D9 or Me 109K4.
Only the Frank could attack B-29's,other fighters couldn't accomish what the Frank was capable of against B-29's.
@@briancooper2112 The Frank achived its maximum speed of 426mph at 23,000ft. The B29's performance was Performance: Maximum speed 357 mph at 30,000 feet, 306 mph at sea level. Maximum continuous cruising speed 342 mph at 30,000 feet. I would immagine even the Frank would struggle at 30,000ft.
but much more b17s were shot down in germany
WHAT the *h* is this plane ?
-I have studied WW2 since I was a teenager, and I have never heard of this plane !
-Very, very cool 😎
Anyhoo,
best regards from Iceland 🇮🇸
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Can you imaging a 109 landing on a carrier?
The skinny landing gear had trouble on still flat ground.
Thank you for this video. I have a model of this plane and I was curious to see the history behind it. Blohm & Voss is one of my favourite companies because they did make some vary unusual airplanes.
Highly knowledgeable and well presented.
Loved the video and was open-mouthed about this super machine!
Thnx for this video..great research. 👍
Thank you!
Thank you for presenting my adopted brother!
In every Blohm and Voss video, I find a comment from you. I find your comments a bit asymmetrical! 😄
@@AllthingsWW2 Humor understood and deeply appreciated!!
Richard Vogt was an artist
Still kind of wished this would have been the German carrier fighter.
The video to be about the German carrier fighter?
@Aqua Fyre watch the video first before you leave a comment please. If you watched it you'd know what I was talking about.
@@vincenthuang5635 this aircraft was originally developed to be one yes back when it was called the Me-155.
I’m not sure what the carrier fighter was supposed to look like, or it’s span. Was it the Bf-109ST - Bf-109T-1 - Me155-A? I wouldn’t think so,but would it have a wing similar to the Me255-C? Probably not, maybe something more like the Bf-109, especially since it doesn’t appear to have had been intended to use the TKL-15. Lots of,guesses from 1:10.
What else do you wish for? Germany winning the WW2 with superior weapons?
Great video 👍
Thank you!
WOW, the Germans did build a carrier, very impressive but never had a chance to deliver to service. The German war industry was a mess, that was something that Allies should be grateful for it given the pioneering designs the Germans came up with.
IMO, this plane could be potential replacement for 109, minus all of the things for high altitude requirements of course
I mean finally a single engine airframe that can hold DB603 engine
Superior canopy design provided all around vision and no need gunpod for wing armament
The BV155 may be a prototype of the U2. Compare wingspans, max service ceilings, range.
Excellent and very interesting presentation. Thanks!
Dou grato por essa valiosa informação. Ela demonstra o quanto a Alemanha foi a maior Potência Científica na época que levou a humanidade a evoluir 500 anos em apenas 5 anos.
Interesting video channel and top comments.Keep em coming 👍🙂
Merely perpetuates this myth of “German Super Weapons” that would have changed the War into Germany’s favor. The designs for this aircraft started in 1942 when the Germans discovered plans for an American Stratofortress bomber that would fly beyond the altitude of German fighters. The fact that it did not fly into actual combat until 1945 was due to the fact that Hitler encouraged his airplane designer companies to compete and fight with each other in gaining favor with him. This unneeded system of internal combat caused the delay of putting this fighter past the time of its needed use in fighting the Allied bombing fleets.
Fyi, the Germans had also developed a cheap, mass produced surface to air missile that could have knocked down Allied bomber fleets more effectively than anti-aircraft artillery or their Wonder Weapons jets. Unfortunately, they were more interested in producing Offensive Weapons like the V-1 and the V-2 missiles as Hitler was intent on seeking Vengeance on the English people for not allying themselves to his Nation as he felt they were a Racial Offshoot of his Aryan Race. He loved Vengeance more than protecting his own Germans.
Great video
Execelent content Allthings. Grettings from Portugal.
wow...in my life l never knew this was. a thing...congratulations on this doc...now I'm going to an RC..aircraft from this..
no one has this...
That wing looks very much like the wing of the British B-57 Canberra High altitude aircraft used in Vietnam for Recon. With engines where the wing mounted radiators are.
I suppose a good high-altitude wing design can be used in different aircraft.
At least one B29 was brought to the UK and parked at several airports so it could be seen.
I made my practical exam to Maschinenschlosser at Blohm & Voss beginning 1987.
Blohm & Voss is today highly subsidized company from Hamburg government. Cause Blohm & Voss is not competitve anymore on the worldmarket.
Producing today war ships and super jachts for Russian billionairs like Abramovich and others.
No more planes.
the 109t was not an adaptation of the 109g, it was an adaptation of the 109e
Bv155 was like a U-2 even before the U-2 was an idea
It wasn't like the U2
@@Rico-v7r Service ceiling was almost as high, speed only slightly less.
@@williamzk9083 The intention/goal for the Bv155 was for it to have a service ceiling of around 55,000ft and a speed of 400mph but that was never achieved.
@@williamzk9083 The U2 had a service selling of 80,000ft which is roughly 25,000ft higher than the Bv155 (the Bv155 never reached 55,000ft) and the U2 had a max speed of 500mph which is 100mph faster than the Bv155 (the Bv155 never reached 400mph).
Those are massive differences
@@williamzk9083 There's actual aircraft developed in or during WW2 that did have service ceiling higher than 50,000ft though like thr B-36 peacemaker
By now i do understand it very well; All German Wonder Weapons in WWII came too late and in low numbers to have a real effect on the War outcome!! 10 fast Aircrafts were only 10 very few against 100 Allied planes!!
Great documentary of a astounding aircraft . Thanks
Will there be more episodes of The Battle for the Kuban? Thanks.
Hi Tom, I will address that in my community tab soon. I will probably release everything in a super episode. Sorry for leaving things out in the open.
Had the war in Europe taken another year or two, B-29's WOULD have been over Germany and this aircraft would have been in production to contest that airspace.
It wouldn't have been accepted for service unless Willie Messerschmitt used some political Leverage
The Ta-152 was cheaper and capable of doing the job.
You really want to see Germany getting nuked?
Be glad that the war was over for Germany, before the bomb was operationable ...
Is the narator from Portugal? Very interesting information.
BV 155: I will like some wings with my radiators please.
From 2. WW US pilots had a saying, "If it's white, it's own. If it's black it's brittish but if you don't see it, it's german."
I love flying it in War Thunder !
fascinating. imagine a piston plane reaching 55,000 feet!
Twin engine Dornier Do217 P 58000ft
Why there are only aircrafts on "all things" WW2? I've noticed, more than a year actually.
Can you make a video about the bf109
Anyone know the airfoil thickness at the wing root?
That was a very sympathetic presentation. Are you Italian sir?
I wonder why they didn't consider a twin-engined heavy fighter for this role, knowing how tough the B-29 was to shoot down and how well armed and fast it was. One would think a twin-engined fighter with more horsepower, more firepower, and more speed would be better suited for its intended role.
я не увидел в корне крыла ламинарного профиля . зачем радиаторы ставили на середине размаха крыла ? В видео вы перепутали удлинение и аэродинамическое качество . И при таком размахе , визуально , удлинение далеко за 10 единиц .
10:58 « ... admire the determination ... » Yeah. For _that_ project and for _others projects_ that *A LOT* of War Thuinder players seem to regret that they did not succeed (I reported 3 more yesterday). And the problem with videos like this - for all that well done - is to systematically show this little-missed Germany as having an undeniable technological and intellectual superiority. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Allies, led by the Americans, did not embark on expensive and time-consuming projects. They made best use of mastered technologies rather than making science fiction.
excellent, all those technical people carried on with the Allies.
Not all, many worked for the Soviets
@@jamesricker3997 very true, the lucky ones got the 'American life'
They should have never went with this idea. Focke-Wulf was working on the Ta 152H high-altitude version of the Ta 152 at the same time, and they should have devoted resources to get that into production earlier.
Great video!
He could Drop time or radar fuzed bombs on bombers underneath. There was a situation were germans dropped SD 2 bombs on bombers with great results.
Molt interessant! Hi ha tal quantitat d'armes, plans i projectes estranys de la IIGM que no te'ls acabes mai! Sempre pots trobar noves coses sorprenents.
Great video.
Si el B29 hubiese llegado al teatro de guerra europeo, el BV 155 no hubiese tenido mucho que hacer ya que llego muy tarde para ser producido y cuando Alemania ya no tenia la suficiente capacidad industrial para fabricarlo en masa. Ni hablar de una cantidad y calidad suficiente de pilotos para volarlo.
there were already ta 152s ready to perform the role intended for the bv 155
difference between empty weight and fully loaded weight MUST be wrong. It's not enough to cover pilot+fuel, let alone ammunition for the guns.
Likely one of them is a different weight.
Saw it in war turnder but didn't know what the boxs are for
What a name for a company "Fock-Wolf".
"Focke-Wulf"
at remember this was less than 40 years after first flight.
This is too MUCH!❤️
Buen trabajo. Pero el flujo alar del P 51 no era realmente laminar, y probablemente no era posible algo así en ningún otro avión de la época. Éxito.
You should do the CAC Boomerang at some point
Es tauchen immer mehr Fantasieprodukte auf, von denen ich noch nie gehört habe.
1. only prototype aircraft were made - thus these are NOT combat numbers, but just pure speculation. 2. Nearly everytime an aircraft goes from prototype to combat the performance decreases until it is developed more 3. a flying prototype does NOT make a successful combat aircraft nor a combat ready weapons system e.g. MB5 4. Germany did not need it. 5. Germany did not have the logistics to support their conventional air force - just look at how many Ta-152's were made and what their operational efficiency was and that was a very capable plane.
Anyone who says that Germany would of still lost even if they had waited 3 more years before starting the war has no idea what their talking about
Germany was light years ahead of the rest of the world.
Or you could look at it another way and conclude that another 3 years might have given Britain and France the time to evaluate the threat correctly and prepare. Much has been made of British disorganisation WRT to things like tank design, when the truth was that British designers and officers knew what was needed but were hamstrung by lack of suitable engines and by immediate critical needs disrupting development and by the rationing of resources. Contrary to popular belief, management of aircraft engine design by the British was far superior to that of the Germans, so time may have benefited the Britain more than Germany.Another 3 years may well have seen the Soviets recover from their military purges and modernise their equipment.
@@nerdyali4154 Hmmm these are interesting facts and a definitely a possibility, however the allies were in rudimentary stages of jet and missile development at the end of the war, the capture of German scientist are what propelled the USA to superpower status so quickly in the 50s.
They were behind in metallurgy electronics and nuclear engineering
If they had waited 3 years they would have run into a fully rearmed Britain and France. Germany had a small window of opportunity in 1939 in 1940 and they took advantage of it
@@jamesricker3997 The Germans were not really behind in metallurgy and nuclear science however due to the fact they were denied access to the raw materials needed all they had was knowledge with no way to progress to working prototypes. The missiles and jets they built had been dumbed down to the utilize the available resources. The US did not have this restrictions.
@@robertmiranda2444 Ideas on paper or in prototypes don't win wars
Looks like the propeller driven father of the U2 :-)
This clearly justifies the bombing offensive that delayed development of new technologies. Imagine what the implications of such aircraft being in service a couple of years earlier!
they are too much onto advanced tech and forget simple thing. germany only need new larger fuel tank or external fuel tank for the 109 and other, and new landing gear strut to win the battle of brittain yet they never do it --"
For real some people keep saying that bombing had no effect to german when it was quite opposite happen, another example is Ta 154 development, the moment they it about to enter production the glue factory got bombed forcing it to use less quality, corrosive glue instead, the glue was worked but not for long forcing them to cancel it
The BV 155 look like the later US-Spy plane U2.
any data on that turbo charger?
I guess the Germans were misled about the altitude capability of the B-29? It's service ceiling was actually less than the B-17. So what made them think they needed a 52,000 foot interceptor to counter the B-29?
This is what you get when you look at published specs only, and not the whole story or big picture. Often the whole point is missed.
@@gregoryfuller1136 The point is that the Germans were wasting time and money trying to develop a plane that could intercept bombers at 52,000 feet when the planes they were worried about had a service ceiling of 32,000 feet. Maybe they had some other use in mind for it, but according to this video it was being designed to counter B-29s.
@@gregoryfuller1136 on the other hand, do you simply believe what your enemy says hoping that what you have will be sufficient?
@@rob5944 This.
@@Squee7e sorry?
Ts a handy design, but with resources running out could they make enough to make a difference.
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16 km. ... on paper
The highest interception of WW2 was in 1942, when a Spitfire shot at a German bomber at 43,000 feet. The bomber was damaged and forced to withdraw. If the Germans had introduced an ultra-high altitude interceptor, a Spitfire or the Welkin would've been there to shoot it down.
That was a HF MkIX and it was at 45000ft 11 Sep 42 Source3 Morgan and Skacklady Spitfire a History page 314 and the German plane was a Ju86
Fascinating!