Thanks Tony. That’s the aim. Check out our Origin Story video from a couple months ago. I go into detail about why this channel exists and what I’m hoping to do with my daughters.
@@Xthreadgarage I try to watch all your videos I love that you guys are from Colorado I’m from there too just on the western slope and I love working on cars with my kids
I enjoyed this soooo much. Caitlin, you remind me of my daughter when she was about 14.Sad to say, she doesn't talk to me. Remember, your dad will always love you even if you fail to love him. Kind of like God. He'll never stop loving you. Thanks for the Jesus moment.
Just had sayed good bye to my uncle rip 😢I need reason to smile so much appreciate making me smile again bless you for all your videos and your dad jokes 😊❤
The 8BA's are 1949-1953. As you say, the last edition of the flatheads. Watch those solenoids, they're clever and handy but they "routinely" will stick when you press the button. If that's a "Mercury" engine (not just Merc heads), it's 255 cubic inches compared with 239 Cu In for a Ford engine.
When an engine will turn but not all the way around, it's usually because valves are stuck or rings are bashing against wear ridges at the tops of the cylinders. Forcing it past that resistance will bend valve push rods or bust pistons or rings. I think it might have been best to remove the heads as soon as you felt movement followed by so much resistance.
You're absolutely right. Excellent point, but what I was trying to point out was that the crank turning a few degrees and then sticking like that makes me think either at least one valve is stuck (stopping the cam, which stops the crank) or else there are wear ridges in at least one cylinder that are stopping a piston, typically by jamming its rings. To force the crank with more torque might not be wise if either of those conditions exist.
still has an original split core radiator. My dad has a number of 35-49 FORD's including a 40 Woodie Wagon, 39 Rumble seat conv, 41 120" wheelbase 1-1/2 ton firetruck.
Great video; hope to see continued progress on this old truck! Glad you survived the storms; we're in N. Ohio as well, and it was pretty wild for two nights in a row this past week...One night, having lost power, I got the joyous job of baling out the sump well for over an hour; needless to say, we're getting a battery backup for the sump pump next week!
Thanks Craig, we’re west of Cleveland. The egress windows I mentioned installing last week gave me a few hours of unexpected water problems. A flower bed on the front of the house that has never held water before flooded and filled one of the window wells. Good news, the window is water tight. Bad news, I have a drainage problem I didn’t know about. Had to pull out a portable sump pump I had in the garage and empty the well about 8 times, while it was raining! Quite a storm!
You need to either get a shop manual or do some internet research! All '28 through '55 Fords were positive ground. When you bench test the starter, put nuts on the through bolts so the armature doesn't fall out!
If that is the original engine, it is a 221 cubic inch. The Mercury head which was probably added later came from a 239.4 cubic inch engine that was used in Mercurys for several years. You will probably be able to find another head although at this point it is not a priority. You should be able to find a carburetor rebuild kit -- they made a gozillion of those carburetors. I am overjoyed to see Katelynn doing this work and so motivated to learn everything. She is fabulous.
Thanks for the info. This is not the original engine for the 41. It’s a later 8BA, 239. Already located a rebuild kit. Thanks for watching…and subscribing 😉
@@Xthreadgarage the guys at Iron City Garage have an entire wall covered with hanging flathead heads - both originals & aftermarkets like Offenhauser et. al. She may want to eventually get fancy - there are a ton of dress-up parts for flatheads.
It could be the clutch is rusted up the clutch plate is rusted to the fly wheel or in the gearbox as we call it in australia or as you say transmission
We turned the engine over by hand a couple dozen rotation. That’s not really engaging footage thou. Checking as we turned that all the valves were moving and no cylinders had both intake and exhaust open at the same time. Valves were all moving as they should.
The ease with which we will be able to tear this truck down is due to it sitting in an incredibly arid climate in CO. There were some years, during the last 20 years of drought, that we got 5-6 inches of precipitation for the whole year. There was never dew on the ground. It was what I imagine heaven will be like 😆
Iron City garage in PA can most likely find what you need. He has a TH-cam channel. Also transmission fluid and acetone mixed should help free the motor.
That engine could be a '52-'53 Mercury, which was 255 cu. in. If it is an 8BA engine, those Mercury heads reduce the compression ratio significantly! The carb is a Holley, NOT a Stromberg! It looks like the original '41 carb. If it is, it is not compatible with the distributor, which means the timing advance will not work right. The distributor is vacuum advance only (no mechanical advance) and requires a matching carb. The original Mercury carb had a 4 bolt flange instead of 3.
I think you've done good so far. as for using jumper cables to turn a motor over they work ok for testing a starter on the bench . The starter sounds good. Myself I would throw some seafoam in it and with the filter on it tow it in gear to loosen it up. Then put the battery in properly hooked up and preferably an 8 volt and that should spin like it was running the day before. As for using the 8 volt battery the generator will charge the 8 volt battery and not burn out the rest of the electrical and even some people who may look under the hood won't even notice because they're the same size as a 6 volt battery.
Great job. Kinda sucks it wouldn't crank over, but at least you're making progress. Something to keep in mind is that running things like a 6v starter/coil/etc at 12v tends to make the magic smoke come out. Most 12v stuff lets the magic smoke out around 16v too ;)
All the flatties I ever owned were running 12 volts, Simple resistors were available from parts places to drop the voltage ,Ford wiring was as complicated as a farm fence. The Starters were made with extra large windings etc because 6 volts puts a bigger strain on them .A few extra volts made them start easier.
When checking low resisentce, it's best not to use it in auto range. Set it to the lowest setting manually. Just the resistance of your leads should measure .1 or .2 ohms.
Check for mouse house in the bell housing water in transmission most of those oil filters drained back in to the crankcase put oil to oil pressure gauge line try holding the clutch down .
PBlaster is expensive way to anger wasps, Dish soap @ between 10 - 35% remainder water in adjustable cone pattern spray bottle, allows 1ft. diameter circle adjusted to reach from 8-10 ft away...Best DO practice 1ST DON'T STOP SPRAYING TILL YOU KNOCKED ALL TO GROUND
With the carb off, I see the vacuum advance port so it should match with the distributor. Again, that is NOT a Stromberg. It is from a '55-'56 292 Y block, as evidenced by the "! 1/16" stamped on it (venturi size).
@@Xthreadgarage You are very welcome Sir. It's great to see our young people learning skills. Big thumbs up to both of you. Before I forget again. Sometimes jumper cables will not carry enough amps to turn an engine over, That being said The sound it makes when turning sounds like a spun bearing. I had a 289 that was tight and made the same sound . I am looking forward to seeing more on that truck. Sorry I wrote a book : ) All my very best.
Yeah, the previous episode to this one we found out it was built for the Civillian Conservation Corps, part of the New Deal recovery effort putting civilians to work in national parks and forests.
I’ve been thinking the same thing. When we get back into this rig the first thing we’re gonna do is pull the trans and see if that frees it up. Thanks for watching.
No plans to junk it. We may cab swap it. I’ve got a ‘47 Chevy on a modern 3/4ton chassis with a Cummins in it. If the flathead’s not able to be built (cracked block) we’ll be looking at that as an option.
Could have something to with the transmission it could have water and rust inside and rusted input shaft I have seen so much rust and water in the transmission where it wouldn't come out of gear or go into gear or where the input shaft not to turn
Yes it is her truck. The whole channel is the result of her buying that truck and wanting to make it her first vehicle when she gets her license. So, I’m teaching her how to work on old rigs. Be sure to subscribe, you’ll be sure to enjoy it.
Thanks Bill. I think this motor is rebuildable. Will have to check for cracks which are common in these flatheads, but as a dad, a low HP Flathead sounds pretty good for a first vehicle for K8lynn.
We got the heads off as you saw, and no valves were stuck. Turned over by hand several dozen times before putting a starter to it. I’ve been thinking the clutch may be dragging, the trans is stuck in neutral, can’t force it into any gear. So, no pull starting option either.
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We turned it over several dozen times before putting the starter to it. But 20 min of hand cranking a motor and living the cylinders isn’t that entertaining. Guess I failed to mention that in the video. Thanks for watching!
So a starter from a 40's Ford is worth more than a clapped out 80's rusted out Chevy, LOL And just think that chevy probably has had more than one starter in its young life...
Thomas, the whole channel is about me teaching my daughter how to do this stuff. She’s only been working with me like this for a few months. Thanks for watching.
I work on my own stuff for two reasons: I’m willing to learn and can’t afford to pay a professional. 😆 my daughter bought this truck which money from selling her goats. We’re going to get it back on the road for her first vehicle when she gets her license.
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Thanks Tony. That’s the aim. Check out our Origin Story video from a couple months ago. I go into detail about why this channel exists and what I’m hoping to do with my daughters.
@@Xthreadgarage I try to watch all your videos I love that you guys are from Colorado I’m from there too just on the western slope and I love working on cars with my kids
I enjoyed this soooo much. Caitlin, you remind me of my daughter when she was about 14.Sad to say, she doesn't talk to me. Remember, your dad will always love you even if you fail to love him. Kind of like God. He'll never stop loving you. Thanks for the Jesus moment.
Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing.
Just had sayed good bye to my uncle rip 😢I need reason to smile so much appreciate making me smile again bless you for all your videos and your dad jokes 😊❤
Glad you’re enjoying the channel Kevin. Thanks for sharing.
I will pray for you
The excitement in your videos is contagious! 15:49 Loving this.
Thanks!
Just wanted to let you know I just happened across your channel,love it! Keep on keeping on, and I'll check out other episodes, Thanks again!✌️
Thanks Mike!
I really like your video and have subbed you. This was fun to watch, I'm looking forward to future videos from you. Good job!
Thanks for the sub!
A great find! Worth TLC. I had a 1953 Ford back in the day. Fun times, just don't over rev them. Onward!
That's the plan!
Thanks for watching
The 8BA's are 1949-1953. As you say, the last edition of the flatheads. Watch those solenoids, they're clever and handy but they "routinely" will stick when you press the button. If that's a "Mercury" engine (not just Merc heads), it's 255 cubic inches compared with 239 Cu In for a Ford engine.
Thanks for the warning on the solenoid.
And for watching!
It can run without a starter, pull start it. Starters just make it easier 😂 Cool truck!
When an engine will turn but not all the way around, it's usually because valves are stuck or rings are bashing against wear ridges at the tops of the cylinders. Forcing it past that resistance will bend valve push rods or bust pistons or rings. I think it might have been best to remove the heads as soon as you felt movement followed by so much resistance.
Flatheads dont have push rods
You're absolutely right. Excellent point, but what I was trying to point out was that the crank turning a few degrees and then sticking like that makes me think either at least one valve is stuck (stopping the cam, which stops the crank) or else there are wear ridges in at least one cylinder that are stopping a piston, typically by jamming its rings. To force the crank with more torque might not be wise if either of those conditions exist.
still has an original split core radiator. My dad has a number of 35-49 FORD's including a 40 Woodie Wagon, 39 Rumble seat conv, 41 120" wheelbase 1-1/2 ton firetruck.
Great find. I had a 65 f100 and I loved it. Good luck.
Thanks 👍
Great video; hope to see continued progress on this old truck! Glad you survived the storms; we're in N. Ohio as well, and it was pretty wild for two nights in a row this past week...One night, having lost power, I got the joyous job of baling out the sump well for over an hour; needless to say, we're getting a battery backup for the sump pump next week!
Thanks Craig, we’re west of Cleveland. The egress windows I mentioned installing last week gave me a few hours of unexpected water problems. A flower bed on the front of the house that has never held water before flooded and filled one of the window wells. Good news, the window is water tight. Bad news, I have a drainage problem I didn’t know about. Had to pull out a portable sump pump I had in the garage and empty the well about 8 times, while it was raining! Quite a storm!
Keep at it. It'll run.
You need to either get a shop manual or do some internet research! All '28 through '55 Fords were positive ground. When you bench test the starter, put nuts on the through bolts so the armature doesn't fall out!
If that is the original engine, it is a 221 cubic inch. The Mercury head which was probably added later came from a 239.4 cubic inch engine that was used in Mercurys for several years. You will probably be able to find another head although at this point it is not a priority. You should be able to find a carburetor rebuild kit -- they made a gozillion of those carburetors. I am overjoyed to see Katelynn doing this work and so motivated to learn everything. She is fabulous.
Thanks for the info. This is not the original engine for the 41. It’s a later 8BA, 239. Already located a rebuild kit. Thanks for watching…and subscribing 😉
@@Xthreadgarage the guys at Iron City Garage have an entire wall covered with hanging flathead heads - both originals & aftermarkets like Offenhauser et. al. She may want to eventually get fancy - there are a ton of dress-up parts for flatheads.
It could be the clutch is rusted up the clutch plate is rusted to the fly wheel or in the gearbox as we call it in australia or as you say transmission
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Great Video
Glad you enjoyed it
I can't believe those head bolts all came out that easy! Valves are probably stuck. PB blast them down, and tap them if stuck.
We turned the engine over by hand a couple dozen rotation. That’s not really engaging footage thou. Checking as we turned that all the valves were moving and no cylinders had both intake and exhaust open at the same time. Valves were all moving as they should.
The ease with which we will be able to tear this truck down is due to it sitting in an incredibly arid climate in CO. There were some years, during the last 20 years of drought, that we got 5-6 inches of precipitation for the whole year. There was never dew on the ground. It was what I imagine heaven will be like 😆
It's about time you pulled the heads
Iron City garage in PA can most likely find what you need. He has a TH-cam channel. Also transmission fluid and acetone mixed should help free the motor.
That engine could be a '52-'53 Mercury, which was 255 cu. in. If it is an 8BA engine, those Mercury heads reduce the compression ratio significantly! The carb is a Holley, NOT a Stromberg! It looks like the original '41 carb. If it is, it is not compatible with the distributor, which means the timing advance will not work right. The distributor is vacuum advance only (no mechanical advance) and requires a matching carb. The original Mercury carb had a 4 bolt flange instead of 3.
Good to know. Thanks for the heads up!
I think you've done good so far. as for using jumper cables to turn a motor over they work ok for testing a starter on the bench . The starter sounds good. Myself I would throw some seafoam in it and with the filter on it tow it in gear to loosen it up. Then put the battery in properly hooked up and preferably an 8 volt and that should spin like it was running the day before. As for using the 8 volt battery the generator will charge the 8 volt battery and not burn out the rest of the electrical and even some people who may look under the hood won't even notice because they're the same size as a 6 volt battery.
Great job. Kinda sucks it wouldn't crank over, but at least you're making progress. Something to keep in mind is that running things like a 6v starter/coil/etc at 12v tends to make the magic smoke come out. Most 12v stuff lets the magic smoke out around 16v too ;)
Usually need a balast resistor in the starting circuit to use with a 12 volt battery so you don't burn everything up.
All the flatties I ever owned were running 12 volts, Simple resistors were available from parts places to drop the voltage ,Ford wiring was as complicated as a farm fence. The Starters were made with extra large windings etc because 6 volts puts a bigger strain on them .A few extra volts made them start easier.
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Thanks for watching.
Kaitlynns thinking OMG DAd jokes...... 😁😁BTW what locked a lot of flatties up was stuck valves,.
Valves all move freely. We rotated the engine several times over to be sure nothing was hanging up.
When checking low resisentce, it's best not to use it in auto range. Set it to the lowest setting manually. Just the resistance of your leads should measure .1 or .2 ohms.
It seems like it's still trying to turn something else along with the motor.Stuck clutch or something.Great video.
Check for mouse house in the bell housing water in transmission most of those oil filters drained back in to the crankcase put oil to oil pressure gauge line try holding the clutch down .
24 stud engines came out in about 1938 so your '41 had the 24 stud engine when new!
Interesting. This is an 8BA though, so we know it’s not the original 24stud. Thanks for the correction.
Put vinegar in crank case to free rust then change out the oil
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DON'T STOP SPRAYING TILL YOU KNOCKED ALL TO GROUND
😂 we were spraying a wasp and hornet pestocide. Not PB blaster. 😂
May be a stuck clutch to the flywheel cross threads a good name i dig your channel
Thanks Jonathan. We’ll be returning to this project soon. Including another attempt to make it run. Stay tuned.
She can throw a battery for sure but should probably wear safety glasses!😬👍
It may also be possible that the pressure plate is seized to the clutch plate, maybe not, could be?
the starter will handle a 12volt battery ....hook up the battery like any other 12volt system....
Clutch might be stuck and turning gears in transmission
Have you checked the valves.and if the clutch plate is stuck to the fly wheel even though the trans is in neutral it will turn overhard
Gald to see you two keep it up gald someone now's as much as I do and still try
Got my shirt today!!
Great! Thanks for the order. Enjoy!
Maybe the transmission is dry and needs gear lube, the main pilot shaft will still turn even if it is in neutral!!!
I hope you don’t scrap it! Too many people would love to have it!
That truck would be badass rat Rodded with a 7.3 powerstroke diesel with dual stacks up the back of the cab
Fact check: True. Check out our Origin Story episode to see the ‘47 Chevy I built with a Cummins and a 5 speed.
Check clutch ☺️
With the carb off, I see the vacuum advance port so it should match with the distributor. Again, that is NOT a Stromberg. It is from a '55-'56 292 Y block, as evidenced by the "! 1/16" stamped on it (venturi size).
It might be the valves are rusty and sticking in the valve guides
I did not see any oil in the cyl's
I just subscribed. Sorry about the engine being messed up.
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@@Xthreadgarage You are very welcome Sir. It's great to see our young people learning skills. Big thumbs up to both of you. Before I forget again. Sometimes jumper cables will not carry enough amps to turn an engine over, That being said The sound it makes when turning sounds like a spun bearing. I had a 289 that was tight and made the same sound . I am looking forward to seeing more on that truck. Sorry I wrote a book : ) All my very best.
kroil will get the cylinders un stuck I use it all the time it's called the mechanics best friend
Yes. Pistons aren’t hung up though.
@@Xthreadgarage might not be hung up but still look dry,,oil the crap out of them
I'm wondering if that interior green means that it may have had a military life to begin with..
Yeah, the previous episode to this one we found out it was built for the Civillian Conservation Corps, part of the New Deal recovery effort putting civilians to work in national parks and forests.
What about the clutch or transmission is hanging up the clutch plate is rusted to the fly wheel
I’ve been thinking the same thing. When we get back into this rig the first thing we’re gonna do is pull the trans and see if that frees it up. Thanks for watching.
No no don't junk it I will take the cab and front clip .I have a four wheel drive chassis to put it on
No plans to junk it. We may cab swap it. I’ve got a ‘47 Chevy on a modern 3/4ton chassis with a Cummins in it. If the flathead’s not able to be built (cracked block) we’ll be looking at that as an option.
Could have something to with the transmission it could have water and rust inside and rusted input shaft I have seen so much rust and water in the transmission where it wouldn't come out of gear or go into gear or where the input shaft not to turn
Interesting you should say this. While we confirmed the truck was not in gear and the PTO wasn’t engaged, the transmission will not go into gear.
Is that your daughter it's cool she gotta old truck memories
Yes it is her truck. The whole channel is the result of her buying that truck and wanting to make it her first vehicle when she gets her license. So, I’m teaching her how to work on old rigs. Be sure to subscribe, you’ll be sure to enjoy it.
I have faith in you both you might have to use a different motor awesome video
Thanks Bill. I think this motor is rebuildable. Will have to check for cracks which are common in these flatheads, but as a dad, a low HP Flathead sounds pretty good for a first vehicle for K8lynn.
That's awesome I can't wait to watch you and your princess work on the 41 Ford
If you are going to sell it for scrape I would be interested!
My son has a 65 d100, he wants to put an ls 5.3 in it
Very cool.
The valves are froze up pull the heads if you know how
We got the heads off as you saw, and no valves were stuck. Turned over by hand several dozen times before putting a starter to it. I’ve been thinking the clutch may be dragging, the trans is stuck in neutral, can’t force it into any gear. So, no pull starting option either.
Check valves
Why did you junk a good bed ..try to pull start it
I wondered about the bed too.
So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
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Thanks for the encouragement. And for watching to the end!! 😉
Try removing the transmission it might be stuck
Your lifters are probably tucked
Come on man check for stuck valves and get it so you make at least 2 or 3 revolutions by hand before you throw a starter to it.
We turned it over several dozen times before putting the starter to it. But 20 min of hand cranking a motor and living the cylinders isn’t that entertaining. Guess I failed to mention that in the video. Thanks for watching!
Pull the heads
they were made in Pontiac Michigan plant where all of them were produced during the war
Why don't you try pull starting it
So a starter from a 40's Ford is worth more than a clapped out 80's rusted out Chevy, LOL And just think that chevy probably has had more than one starter in its young life...
Pull it around in gear get the engine tuning over
48 was the 1st year of the flat head v8
‘48 was the first year for the 8BA series of the Ford flathead. It was introduced in the mid-‘30’s though.
yes your correct
Why don't you pull the heads
Is that girl your daughter
Your comments not very respectful
Why don't you do the work your self shevis just slowing things down plus she don't know what @
Thomas, the whole channel is about me teaching my daughter how to do this stuff. She’s only been working with me like this for a few months. Thanks for watching.
Why do you try and work on cars when you don't know what your doing? Sell me the truck ok?
I work on my own stuff for two reasons: I’m willing to learn and can’t afford to pay a professional. 😆 my daughter bought this truck which money from selling her goats. We’re going to get it back on the road for her first vehicle when she gets her license.
on a good note you have the hot rods desired flathead it has an actual distributor
CCKW 353 Duce half
which means it don't have the magneto type
it has two water pumps
Yes.
800,000 made
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it