Outdated From Day One - The Cadillac North Star LMP Story
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- General Motors Expected the Cadillac Northstar LMP to be an instant success, but nobody believed in them. It turns out, in hindsight, the disparagers were right.
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I'll keep saying "Cadiyac" (French pronunciation as it's a French word) until they stop saying "poo joe" instead of "Peugeot"
I’ll never get over the american pronunciation of Villeneuve
As a person who is from the UK and knows French people, you have got the pronouncination. However, cadillac is rarely said and it is an American company so it should be pronounced with the l's in my opinion.
As a Spanish speaker, I thought you were going for Spanish, lmao.
5:40 the 1971 Oldsmobile 442,and in 1976,They took one to Le Mans along with a 1971 Dodge charger,they were the first nascar cars to go racing in le mans
Poo shoe
As an American, I take -10 damage every time you say 'Cadiyac' 💀
☝️🤓 So you gain health? Double negative is positive.. ☝️🤓
What he!! is this guy saying?!! WHY WHY
@@karelpgbr Aggro perk.
As an American, I take damage every time I try to figure out why GM used Cadiyac as the badge for the hypercar.
I just can’t figure out which of their commuter cross overs I’m supposed to get hype to buy on Monday if they won on Sunday.
Wild thing is, they have a hybrid powered performance car that unites the ability to start on full electric before firing up a classic GM V8: the Corvette E-Ray.
Should have run the hypercar under the Corvette badging like they did once before for prototypes. Could have emphasized the E-Ray branding and highlighted how truly unique it is.
To be fair, trying to win vs audi in the early 2000s was not an easy task
It took the privateer Pescarolo team hiring the GOAT of Rally, Sebastien Loeb to make Audi even _bleed_ with a Podium finish.
I recall that the audi team during that years event weren't even a full works team but rather a semi works one, since Audi were off developing their next weapon the Audi r10. Crazy to think that a semi privateer team running an ancient car still managed to snatch a win from a faster car.@@legoferrari14
I just stumbled upon this channel lol
Audis were the LMP cars that you can drive. Their cars are nothing but LMP machines until later on.
It took an Audi in another suit to win against a privateer Audi
Oldsmobile was essentially the second-tier brand of General Motors cars in the United States, and made cars such as the Toronado; one of America's first front-wheel drive road cars.
Saying Cadillac incorrectly to bring more comments to boost the algorithm I know what you’re doing (and I respect it because it’s funny)
Bro had beef with Panoz
for being Fugly Speeders. lol.
Don Panoz catching strays
You've clearly grown up in the glory days of Top Gear. The amount of America bashing is proof of that 😅.
I've been watching that trio since before I started school!
As an American that's been watching TG since I was a kid, British people absolutely crack me up with their pathetic attempts at snobbery.
Ah even americans like myself love the trio jabs at america.
Alot of the bashing towards Americans are kinda true
Nothing says “I am a confident, proud patriot” like interpreting mild ribbing as “bashing.”
the '67 GT40 Mk IV was built in Michigan
Oldsmobile got its name from the founder, Ransom E. Olds, yes his name was Ransom. By 1999, they were already one foot in the grave and would begin the process of shutting down December of the following year. Once the last car rolled off the production line in 2004, Oldsmobile shut its doors for good.
No need to diss my boy, The Esperante so hard
I'm cursed to having a fart sound appear whenever I say "Panoz". btw, thanks for uploading all those old Le Mans Highlights, love your channel 😄😄
@@FailedRacers thats understandable, the esperante is just my boy since Gran turismo. Still great video though and thank you 😄
As an American, I thoroughly enjoy some quality America slander, especially when it's true
As an American, I second this. Especially as a Floridian
If you mention European has 100% winrate ( about 0:25 ), I just remember that Toyota TS050 & GR010 also actually "Made in Europe" because they built it at Toyota Motorsports GmbH / Toyota Gazoo Racing Europe in Cologne, Germany, well, technically Toyota branch in Europe, right? Most of their staff & designers are European too
Yes and all of that because one of toyoda's decendants made the group in secret to be able to go out and race. Without gazoo racing we would not get gr branded cars or return of supra (yes yes we know those jokes get them out and move on because frankly brz/86/frs are under the same branch as supra being rebadged cars.)
Not only we got TRD we have GR
Yea but what about the 787b?
@plisskenationbackfromthede3657 Another one of Nigel Stroud's cars
6:25
Random side-note: A survey in 2022 here in Germany revealed that over 1/3 of the stock-exchange listed companies still required fax-machines for their daily operation, and a lot of official matters do so as well.
At least their hypercar got a podium last year?
Chassis by Dallara, so still partially European
@@TehMehKehIenthat would make the porsche 963 partially canadian
The Panoz thing has growing old very fast... Good videos but here for the information not jokes repeated every minute. This is meant as constructive criticism not a dis. Was at Le Mans in the early 2000s so great to see videos on these cars. Most failures around this time can be summed up in one word... Audi.
Remember, Cadillac didn't have much racing pedigree when they ran the Northstar LMP, they ran Le Mans in the 50s and a couple NASCAR Cup Series races, but that latter point was because no one was really interested in busting up their expensive Caddy on some dirt oval in the middle of wherever for lols and $300 checks
As an American cadiyak is crazy but I appreciate the effort into your videos!
0:52 never gets old 😂
I don't accept any Panoz design slander. That aside, keep on making more of this.
Also, Dyson Racing has no relation to the vacuum cleaner.
I know, but the vacuum cleaner joke was too much of a low hanging fruit
1:38 I just cant with that fart sound effect 😂😂😂😂😂 and "The average Cadillac buyer was 832 years old" 😂😂😂😂 love your sense of humor
It's kinda hilarious how easy it was to make fun of Cadillac in the early 2000's. At least nowadays they make some pretty cool cars like the CT5-V Blackwing, and they were pretty much the standard of the DPi cars.
The race variants of the Northstar engine were good, as long as they weren't badged as Cadillacs. Under the Oldsmobile badge they were dominant in the early Indy Racing League, and under the Opel badge they won races in DTM.
God hearing Cadillac being pronounced that way drives me up a wall its pronounced Ca-Dill-lac, but i can say this about Cadillac racing this was only a stumble compared to their racing exploits afterwards in GT racing in the US with the CTS-V.R Beating the Mighty Audi S4 and RS6 Quattros and all others for almost a decade so yeah they had the last laugh i dare say
Hi i love your channel, i always watch ur videos, but can i ask you to lower a bit the volume of the eurobeat parts? i would appreciate a lot:)
The idea of the differing volume levels is that it has like a sort of 'bass drop' effect, which is why I usually put a hard line before the music bits, but some people were getting annoyed over having volume warnings before, I'll try to work out a way, because when editing I listen at 100% volume to make sure there isn't any unpleasant noises that you can't hear at my usual volume, and those parts can give more of a jump scare effect than a 'bass drop' effect, so I'll try to work out how I can get the effect I want without the jump scare side effect it produces. I'm new to this and I'm teaching myself to edit, so the quality of the sound and everything else should be better with each video
@@FailedRacers thanks for all! you are amazing!
@@FailedRacersdynamic range (volume differences) is a useful tool, but the most common mistake people make is having too big a difference. Striking a good balance between having dynamic range and not having the listener have to manage their volume several times throughout the video is hard without experience. It's already better balanced than your Octavia WRC video.
I also wouldn't recommend blowing your ears out listening at full volume, as it might give you false info (the amplifier might clip instead of the audio file itself) as well as hearing problems down the road.
Nice videos to learn about these wonders on wheels, keep it up!
I love this way of pronouncing Cadillac, the one I also often use
Calm down there USB most british car companies aren't even owned by you guys anymore. Did genuinely enjoy the video and hope to see you grow
To be serious I think that this story should be looked in the bigger picture of how some American motorsport ventures have at times failed to grasp the way things are done in Europe and Australia. A classic case of this is the Group A Mustang Touring Car in the 1980s. Teams in Europe and Australia struggled to make the Mustang fast because Ford in America did not really understand the FIA homologation process and how touring cars constantly needed upgrades to be competitive.
The fart sfx just gets me laughing.
Thank you for another hugely entertaining video. Keep ‘em coming!
I still think those Cadillacs looked cool. However therein lies the problem. As you pointed out the car design was several years out of date and powered by a relatively unsophisticated V8 Supercar motor, and the whole enterprise lacked the resources and development of Audi and Bentley's efforts. Of course Cadillac are back with a vengeance in Hypercars and rumours still persist of a Formula One entry. That was then, this is now.
my whole life and I didn't know there was a "y" in Cadillac
The only reason I really knew this car existed is cause of a scalextric set my dad got me in the early 2000’s plus the 1:18 scale model he used too have
Can u still change the transmission during the race? I thought that it was banned
Thank you for not stroking our egos. We mean well , but we are far too naive. (Great Content BTW)
Can you make a video about MG Lola EX257 which also competed in Le mans
You dont have all the songs you used in your Link, whats the song name that plays in 5:40 ?
Karsten Koch - Aryx
@@FailedRacers thx
Love the way Americans and their efforts are portrayed the same way they portray Europe.
Wait is the Toyota made in Europe? Could have sworn they won le man
Toyota is build by gr, which is based in germany
Based in Cologne Germany
@@racingklaus False. Their European base is in Germany and is actually Swedish in origin, the overall outfit of Gazoo Racing was formed in Japan (their Global HQ is located in Susono, Shizuoka Prefecture), by their late test driver, Hiromu Naruse and began competing in Super Taikyu races before their NLS campaigns in Germany. Furthermore, the 787B that won Le Mans was operated by ORECA, who are French (additionally the cars themselves were built by Mazda in-house, making them Japanese). the Toyotas that won Le Mans were designed primarily by Pascal Vasselon, a Frenchman. The Fords that won Le Mans had US engines tuned by Carroll Shelby, a US driver/engineer, and thanks to mediocre performances, were actually redeveloped in Los Angeles, California and Dearborn, Michigan, it was those re-developed GT40s that won Le Mans, not the British designs.
@@bemolp7498 Nope, Shizuoka Prefecture. And are led by Japanese personnel and use Japanese Engines.
@@DR3ADER1 Toyotas racing team was always based in germany tho, even before gazoo racing. The wrc cars from the 90s all had german numberplates aswell as the ts020 road car. Yes the global hq is in japan but the cars are build in germany, like the ford focus which is british despite ford being american. Nonetheless even if the toyota is then swedish or french its still not japanese
Cadiyac pujo gayado... I'm here for it
Panoz had some weird cars, but the roadster and the Esparante GT1 are my go to when I boot up Midtown Madness.
Talking about Panoz, are we going to see their car featured on this channel?
Yeah, the hybrid one will definitely get a video
(You really need to work on your sound-mixing a bit, the music is waaaaay too loud compared to the voiceover)
This feels like the most informative shit post I’ve ever seen… and as I’m from the UK i wholly approve. Keep up the great work!
I mean, it was better than the other American prototype effort back then (Chrysler)
You do not get enough views for the quality of the videos.
The phonk legit scared the f out of me 😂
Haha sorry about that😅
You had me in tears from laughing before the 2 minute mark. Thank You. I feel a little sorry for poor Panoz
Always Quality 👍👍
Top music as always.
One quick correction I should make, the Audi R8 LMP had a double element rear wing, but due to how shallow the AoA is, it's hard to see the slot gap, so visually it looks like a single element wing.
Wdym by Europe has a 100% win rate at Le Mans? Didn’t Toyota just win a couple times? And I’m pretty sure the 787b was Japanese lmao.
Dome s102.5?
Exploding was not good for the cars pace. lovely (:
The Mk2 and Mk4 GT40s were built solely by Shelby American in America no?
The GT40 Mk1 was the only European GT40 as far as I know
yeah the mk2 was built by shelby american and holman-moody while the mk4 was built by ford. so technically americans have a 2% win rate
As a ‘Murican I’ve noticed Cadillac is funny because it seems to have two very different demographics. The only people I see driving Cadillacs are old people and wannabe gangsta rappers.
You should make a video about the Mercedes CLR some time soon! It was the 'Flying Mercedes' and has become a laughing stock of Le Mans. Also, please mention how often it's confused with the CLK GTR/LM as the flying Merc. Thanks!
I only discovered this car about a month ago in a gtr2 mod
I understand the argument for the GT40 MkI and MkII being British, but the MkIV was designed and built in America so if there's nothing else, 1967 was an American win.
mk2 was american
I will admit I was stretching a bit with the 100% win rate, but you can also argue that the MkIV is still based on a European car. Still, that leaves Europe with a 99% win rate, which is definitely not so bad
@@FailedRacers the mkiv wasnt at all based on the original gt40 chassis, it was based on the J-car which had aluminium honeycomb panels
Thank you for this video. How could such a cool looking racing car, by a make whose first Le Mans participation dates back half a century, suck?
Im confused by the 100% european win rate claim. I get the toyota isnt purely japanese nowadays, but what about the 787b?
787b only won one race
Yeah, i didnt understood either
The gt40 is an american race car as holman Moody is a american race car builder normal you never heard the name oldsmobile they didn't make cars in the 2000 neither they do day
Its funny because Cadillac is a french name and every time you say itt wrong it rustles my American jimmies. Also, aluminum 😂
37 yrs old. Never heard cadiyak before. I'm pretty sure there's an "L" or two in there somewhere.
Nice try I’m already subscribed. Ha ha got you.
6:40 haha you fool, im already susbcribed, your tricks wont work on me
Does being at the bottom of the scoreboard mean that you're the current winner?
I guess it does
Cedeack
It's pronounced Cad-dil-ac, you dang European...
[Insert Clueless Emote Here]
Not a European, he's a dang Australasian...
he's not european 💀💀
Well the way he talks about caddilac makes it seem European, like don't shame the U.S for not winning le mans, australia hasn't had a car win it either
@@ryangold8517That’s because Aussies have humility.
Toyota’s a European brand!? Mazda!?
The TS050 and GR010 are made in Germany, the 787B in the UK.
02:33 Phil Spencer? is that you??
Why did you mention Ford GT40 0:21
The Ford GT40 chassis were all built in Britain until the MKIV, which was built in the US.
@@ALCTheBlade yes I do know that the bodies were made in UK, but still, it marks itself as “American vehicle”
@user-vq7zy7cv6k not when it comes to the location of construction. The manufacturer by which the GT40 was badged is American, but there are numerous scenarios where the cars or even teams that bear a manufacturer's name don't match the manufacturer's main location.
I thought Toyota was Japanese No, I’m outside of Europe has won Le Mans say that again
failed racers gaming when
I am an avid sim racer, but I probably won't make a gaming channel.
@@FailedRacers aw, well your channel your choice man
I thought Toyota was Japans no one outside of Europe has won Le Mans say that again
I could comment on this all day. I would like to finally add that at least Cadillac came back for more attempts unlike a certain FWD Japanese monstrosity already covered on this channel. And they were not the first luxury car maker to arrogantly think that an ultimately disasterous design would beat all comers. Look at Porsche and their 1991 V12 F1 engine. The problem was that Cadillac had been away from Le Mans since the 1950s. Look at the non-European Le Mans winners Toyota and Mazda. They spent years - no, decades - perfecting the art before achieving victory. I can understand why Cadillac thought recycling a Riley and Scott chassis would put them on the short cut to glory at Le Mans. However what would have beaten the Porches and McLarens during the 1995-1997 period was old hat by 2000 against the Audis. Pardon typos.
hardly a real racecar, but if the Peugeot unserious-racecar counts for anything, so does the very poorly known Oldsmobile Aerotech
Isnt British cars weird and unusual?
Also yes
0:19 the ford gt is a American car and ford is a American company
It's an entirely American car except for the chassis, gearbox, bodywork, suspension, and every other component that's not the engine.
787b is overrated, just sayin, I know it's not relevant but it got mentioned and I hate how that car is so loved, it only sounded good, I love the engine but the win was lucky and the car I swear was in a slower class, won purely on luck
We talk about 24h, non stop....
It's like Bathurst, u don't win because u are good u win because u got lucky.
Missed opportunity to talk about the Oldsmobile Aurora, it's hopes to save Oldsmobile, and how unique it was. Not very journalistic or mature to just claim Oldsmobile Aurora is just an imaginary thing.
This is not a journalistic or mature channel
The Cadillac North Star LMP Story. Aka the anti-Panoz video. Or Anti-Caddy Video.
bro you slated americans in this video lmao which is warented, oldsmobile were the oldest american brand and rivalled fiat, open, peugeot ect on age, they were huge from the 50s to the 80s mainly in america (like most us car companies) but died once american cars fell behind imports, like other brands such as saturn, hummer, and pontiac. all of these brands died in the 2000s inlcuding oldsmobile and they were all GM brands, hence why you mightve never heard of em, i only know them from forza and donut media if im honest
I made a video where I pronounced Panoz wrong every time and you are pronouncing it the same way I did. Sus.
I take it you hate us over here…
I wouldn't want to live there myself, but it's just a bit of banter tbh.
18:49 definitely not the cadillac worth buying it. Stay away.
Ford is american and Mazda is japanese btw
But the cars they won Le Mans with were designed and made in Europe (although the GT40's Mk4 version was made in America, it's still based on a European design.)
@@FailedRacersWhat about the recent Toyota wins?
Designed and made in Germany
(1) The Ford MkIV (and, that's "MkIV" ... NOT "GT40 MkIV," as it was a J-car chassis, not a GT chassis) was built entirely in the USA. The 1966 winning MkII was a GT chassis, although not a GT40. The 1968 and '69 winner was a GT40, and those cars were built in the UK. The MkIV was not.
(2) Cadillac was not developed to compete with Mercedes, BMW, and Audi. Cadillac was established in 1902, after M-B, but long before BMW and Audi began building automobiles, and became a part of General Motors in 1909. In the 1920s and '30s it competed in the high-end luxury market with Packard, Pierce Arrow, and Duesenberg.
(3) With your "South Iff-rican" accent, I'd be very careful criticizing the way Americans speak. Yes, some of our regional accents are hard on the ears (I grew up in Pittsburgh, spent other parts of my youth in Oklahoma and the NYC area, and went to college in the South), but are generally easier to take than "South Iff-rican" English.
(4) Even the French pronounce the make in question as "CAD-ih-lak," so your insistence on "Caddi-yak" is badly placed.
Tf is Cadiyac😂
Huh? How is the ford gt40 European?
Although powered by an American engine, the chassis was an update of a Lola Mk6, which was designed and built in the UK. Pretty much the only American part on the car was the engine. In fact, even the gearbox was German.
Couldn't listen to Cadyak ..
Haha America bad Europe gud
And america is a continent
4:17 I wouldn’t say this is entirely true, it’s just that the reality is the luxury sedan market has moved towards producing more performance oriented vehicles.
2:48 joke ripped from top gear
Not quite. They've also done the same joke, but they weren't the first ones either. It's a bit of a common joke.