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I've driven the "failed experiment" for about 4 years and it was in his carburettor version much better than the BMW e30 318i i've driven before. The 190 was faster, had offered more space inside, his engine delivers more torque than the stronger 318i, consumed less fuel and runs faster. Was one of the best cars i've ever driven and and sometimes the reason why i'm still driving Mercedes.
Agreed. None of BMW's old 4-cylinders are really noteworthy, and that's including the M3. That S14 makes more vibrations than actual power and takes forever to rev. Jason Cammisa has talked about it and how it compares to the E30 M3 in length in his podcast "The Carmudgeon Show", starring him and Derek Tam-Scott, who's also a Mercedes fanatic, and also in his review video of the new bucktooth M3 that's available on Hagerty's YT Channel, and he described [having owned and still owning one in factory condition, even down to the battery sticker] that the 2.3-16's engine has a big plateau of torque, and that's probably the reason why it feels much better than the S14. Given the choice between the two, I'd also choose the Merc over the BMW.
@@akshaysankarshana2405 Hm, but their first 4-valve engine in the 318is was not so bad. A friend of mine has had a e36 318is which runs as fast as my e36 320i, but mine has had an automatic gear drive. The 318is revs much better than the 320, a really sporty engine.
@@akshaysankarshana2405 I know, the inline 6, espacially the old M20 B25 engine is a masterpiece of engineering. I once have had a e30 325i touring, was a really beast of a car. Very light for a station wagon, very agile with a devastating sound(mine was eqipped with an Eisenmann exhaust), runs into rev limiter at the Autobahn, which means the speedometer shows 250km/h. It was followed by an e39 528 touring and last was an e34 540i touring-what an engine !! Could be driven below 10l and runs without limiter ~285 on the speedometer. 😎😲
The W201 was created so Mercedes Benz would have a compact car that would be considered entry-level. Rallying was never the primary reason. They only used the W201 as a platform for rallying because it was the most practical model to use.
Not really. Mercedes had a wholesale ban on motorsport during the time, but they did indeed want to downsize, also keeping in mind CAFE regulations in the US. They went about meeting those with the W201 and W124, engineered for 4, 5 and 6 cylinder engines, with diesels at the forefront. The engineering requirements for the W201 were quite high, as expected from Mercedes of the era, so the 190 had to be indistinguishable from an S class from the driver's seat The board of directors wouldn't green-light the project without it winning the WRC, which was scrapped because Audi's Quattros learned to take corners, so RWD cars just weren't going to be competitive ever again
@@istvanlorinczi2817 I said the company wanted an entry-level model. I never said they were going to sacrifice Mercedes-Benz standards in producing the car. With the W201 already existing, the company wanted to enter WRC with Cosworth developing the engine for the rally car. Realizing that they could never compete with the Quattros, they turned their focus to DTM. Winning the WRC was never a condition in producing the W201.
@@eatsmylifeYT "*During the development program of the 190 model", codenamed W201, the German automaker considered entering into the World Rally Championship. But all those ideas were abruptly changed when Audi launched the S1 quattro and dominated races. Mercedes-Benz understood that its rear-wheel driven car wouldn't stand a chance against the mighty all-wheel drive turbocharged machinery from Ingolstadt." Why wouldn't Mercedes enter DTM as a factory backed effort from the beginning, like BMW did? Because the board of directors were furious that they spent a ton of money on a rally car project that went nowhere, and perhibited any further development of a sport version of the W201, and the 2.3 16 engine as a whole. The board didn't want to race the cars, Mercedes engineers built the 2.3 16 in secret to begin with
You are not even close, stop learning History from Donut media. 190 was Made entirely for Rally due too small cars like for Escort dominating track times even with weak engines. And to meet new Economy standards after the 70s fuel crisis craze.
It's a tragedy that Mercedes and BMW are diluting their racing badges (M and AMG) like this. The identity of both of these brands in many people's minds is their heritage and excellence developed through their long history, but that is certainly not what their current shareholder-minded executives seem to think - nor what their cars reflect.
Their Real M division moved to Korea to make Hyundai "M" cars. Sadly. These days its a $4000 sticker on the base model for some painted calipers and maybe different mags..
You should checkout Jason Cammisa he has a couple of great series (and a fantastic podcast) on Hagerty’s TH-cam Channel. “Revelations” is sort of like his version of “Up to Speed”, but higher quality than Donut Media. He also owns a sick collection of cars including an E30 325i Touring, and a 190E 2.3-16v Cosworth, both of which he imported from Germany. He actually showcased his 190E in a track battle vs an E30 M3 in “M3 The Definitive Review”-or something like that.
@@VictorPitstopWatch some of Jason Cammisa’s work, he’s mentioned it before- hell he owns a 190E 2.3-16V (pre catalytic converter mandate so it actually revs), it’s in showroom condition down to the fucking battery, AND he raced it vs an E30 M3 in his video “M3: The Definitive Review” He’s also done an entire episode of his podcast (The Carmudgeon Show) discussing the 190E with his buddy Derek who is also a Mercedes fanatic (He owns a Bornite E320 SportLine Wagon Dogleg 5 speed as well as a couple of R129s)… It’s literally a running gag that all they ever do is talk about old Mercedes, if you want to see them appreciated they are the right people to do it with 👍
@@griffins750 nice! Will check out the podcast because I’ve watched Jason’s video on the w201 (one of those videos you click faster than your thought processing). Everyone hypes up the e30 and that’s great and all but the 190e is a fantastic car despite its massive bus sized steering wheel in a tiny sedan.
How the actual hell did Mercedes W201 become a "failure"? Other than the fact that it got its ass handed to it by the BMW M3, and that it didn't go to WRC because if it had, it would've gotten its ass handed to it by the Audi Quattro, in no way is it a failure. In fact, it was so ahead of it's time, that Dodge still uses that layout and suspension tech even today! 40 Years Later! And almost every car on sale has one of the features that this thing had back then. It certainly ain't a failure.
You obviously know nothing about Mercedes and the w201 and they didn’t accidentally make a good a car. They spent a lot of money and a lot time making that car.
True. Mercedes-Benz even spent considerable amount of time and money in developing the five-link rear suspension system that has gotten so good and been fitted to many subsequent Mercedes-Benz vehicles for many years.
They spend 3/4 of a billion dollars developing the 190. And that was in 1980. The 5-link was a huge part of it and as stated above, went on to grace many other vehicles in their lineup afterwards, including the big brother of the 190e, the venerable 500e. And the cosworth developed cylinder head on the 2.3-16 models is no joke, even by today's standards. It flows like a waterfall. Love my 190, and it is one of the best thought out cars in terms of packaging, maintenance, styling, and performance that I have ever experienced.
Except they did accidentally made a great car. Otherwise, how tf you can explain the trash they put out for decades? With way more time and money that you were talking about 😂
Did you really say "the 190E was a failed experiment from Mercedes" right at the beginning of the video. It literally introduced an entirely new class of people to the brand and was wildly successful. It introduced new technologies and was a giant step forward from the typical frumpy styling Mercedes had espoused until then. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Fantastic vehicle. I think it gets forgotten because lineup wise it kinda gets lost between the SLS & SLR. I like to think of it as the hero car of the German auto industry of the 00s when everything was getting crazy ass powerplants with no abandon
Just for a historical note. In 1955 the Mercedes-Benz raced the entire year in the WSC with the SLR except the first 2 rounds. Prior to Le Mans they raced the Mille-Miglia and Moss set that famous world record that will never be broken. After Le Mans they raced and won at Dundrod and Targa Florio and won the Championship over Ferrari. So, they actually retired from the racing scene at the end of 1955. Also, you mentioned Hunt, but the first name is not Jack it's James.
Getting the 190E to be respectable at motorsport was pulling teeth. For as off the pace they were throughout it's life it's amazing that the 2.3-16 gets the credit it does. I'm glad they stuck with it for the one shining moment of the EVO 2 but wow that was a literal decade in the making. Being said though, it's a feat in it's own to hype up a fast Mercedes, do a look forward, and completely forget the 500E, the 500i Indycar, the SL73, the CLK GTR, The SLR Mclaren, or any of the Mercedes Mclarens that managed to wrench a championship out from that domination of the Schumacher/Ferrari pair. Or you know, that first championship that a certain british chap had before going on to win 6 with a factory Mercedes.
The only reason it was behind the M3 was because Mercedes board outright banned motorsports after the debacle that was their investment into WRC, so the 190E was competing with privateers without any factory support save for engineers slipping them parts out the back door… And if you don’t believe me go watch Jason Cammisa’s “M3 The Definitive Review”, part of that video is a track battle between a 190E 2.3-16V and an E30 M3.
I am on my third AMG - my second C-63 AMG - reflashed ECU and long tube headers makes six hundred horsepower at the crank.. Great cars - keep them properly maintained and they won't let you down. My initial AMG was a C-55..what a sleeper...
The fact that Audi and BMW had to add balast to "level the playing field" has nothing to do with it...and nothing to do with the fact that both left DTM and refused to re-enter a couple of years later...
As a Mercedes/AMG fan, it really is disapointing the state of their new cars. Cheap feeling, crossovers, the 2.0 "c63" I do hope they return to making good cars again. For now, I'm happy with my E55
@Albon the 500E was named The Velvet Hammer/ 1st 4 door Porsche since the car was a joint effort between them both. All hand made from 92-94 1505 total made 688 came to the USA. My 92's sticker price with luxury/gas guzzler tax was $92,550.
“Joint effort” is a bit misleading. The Audi RS2 was a “joint effort”, The 500E was an engineering consulting job which Mercedes hired Porsche to do, but Porsche used none of their own parts nor did they tune it. Porsche simply did the engineering to bolt one Mercedes part to another Mercedes part… The Mercedes 400E was the same thing but you’re not talking about that being the first 4 door Porsche.
At around 12:10, if by "aero covers to redirect air to the wing" you mean the one on the rear windshield, that's not why that piece is there, the reason is much cooler That piece only exists because DTM regulations didn't allow a wing that would block rear visibility, so Mercedes just made the rear visibility worse, and what goes on the racecar, goes on the homologation special
The 190E was a failed experiment? It was actually a very successful car, their first compact model and it sold exceedingly well. It's now known as the C-class.
1st set AMG here in Indonesia is a box AMG. Like in this video. My neighbor got them. He sold it for 500 Million Rupiah which is around 30K. RHD. He kept it clean....
A bit of correction, DTM cars were regulated under Group A, not Group C. And the following regulation was Class 1, not Group 1. Group 1 is actually an older regulation (pre-1982).
Bertha Benz was investor and wife of Carl Benz. On 5 August 1888, she was the first person to drive an internal-combustion-engined automobile over a long distance, field testing the Benz Patent-Motorwagen, inventing brake lining and solving several practical issues during the journey of 105 km (65 miles). With her sons Richard and Eugen, thirteen and fifteen years old respectively, in a Model III, without telling her husband and without permission of the authorities, thus becoming the first person to drive an automobile a significant distance. Thanks to this travel, she brought the Patent-Motorwagen worldwide attention and got their company its first sales. She wasn't allowed to study in the Grand Duchy of Baden, and her financial and practical engineering contributions have long been overlooked until the 21st century.
I get that the 190 E revitalized Mercedes racing but it is defitntly not the only car that comes to my mind when i hear the words Merceds racing or AMG. The 1997 Mercedes-Benz AMG CLK GTR from the FIA GT1 Champisonship is the one I think of. I mean it dominated both the 1997 & 1998 seasons winning both the Driver & Team championships back to back all while having competition from the BMW powered McLaren F1 GTR & the Porsche 911 GT1. Crazy to me that you didn't at least give it's engine made by AMG an honorable mention when bringing up Mercedes racing at the end as it is one of the best AMG V12's ever made. The engine is so good that Pagani even used the same engine up utill 2016.
The "failed experiment" is one of the best selling, looking and handling cars Mercedes has ever produced. The base models drive incredibly well as they come but the real treat is the Cosworth designed 16 valve cylinder head. AMG capitalized on it by tuning and developing it some more and also gave the car better aero.
Did he just say failed experiment and Mercedes mistake?? Does he even know what he is talking about?? Omg bro it was one of the greatest cars in Mercedes history
I have owned many old Mercedes. Evo 2 is really one of my favorite cars all time. Atleast best looking car i have ever seen. Now i am building Evo 2 look w201 with m104 700hp turbo engine.
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It would have made more sense to say 8 Championships then back it down to the 7 that the record books show. Since he really does have 7 official titles. The fact that #8 was blatantly stolen from him is undeniable.
seeing as it was a story of AMG and in particular the 190E, I am surprised you never mentioned the rarest of the 190E, the Baby Hammer or the 190E 3.2 AMG with only 200 models built.
18:31 the irony of the video criticizing a 4-door AMG sedan with a 4 cylinder turbocharged engine while the entire video is on the foundation of Mercedes-AMG which began with a 4-door sedan with a similar engine.
probably could have squeezed at least another few ads into the first 5 min. I mean it was like watching cable all over again. Just what we all want. YAY!!
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In the early 70s Ford UK did a Race of Champions at Brands Hatch to promote the mk1 Capri. The Capri went on to a truly legendary Touring Car career until BMW swiped the crown.
I say, nothing is an accident in the automobile world. Every car is produced meticulously with many hopes of the existing market requirements. Excellence functions. Many Key performance indexes, in Mercedes-Benz cars are tested in tight condition, evaluated. In fact other car manufacturers are scared of it. It's high standard.
I am a failure at life. I never knew that all those boring 90s bmr 3 series by the millions, started life as a race car 1st? I took a 94 325 convertible for a spin in 1997. Tracy Ann Cotton ❤ was very mad, it was her parents car 😮 i didn't abuse it, but i was spirited. I was amazed. I had just built a 383 sbc 81 Z28 set up for time attack. That stock BMW felt as fast as my Camaro around that same neighborhood. Mystery Solved. Thank you. I just retired, & bought a new GR Supra 3.0, and DTM the hell out of it every day 😂😂😂😂
16:22 What does group C have to do with DTM ? There is no Group 1 in the DTM. For me, this video is really hard to watch. Too much focus on entertaining and to less facts. The title: Why accidently building the perfect race car ? Why was it perfect and why accidantly ? 👎
i didnt expect so much misinformation from YOU, the e30 was a racecar tuned down for the street?? really? or you meant strictly the m3,in which case yeah, they made it a racecar once they decided they want to race it, whoop-tee-doo, and the numbers of the golden era dtm hp was closer to 380-400, not 340, and yes thats insane... maybe the 340 figure refers to whp
Thank thank you thank you for making a video on the BabyBenz190E that gets no R-E-S-P-E-C-T. I have asked Donut media for years to do this and I know James would of nailed it but they ended up getting controlled by who was paying them and now we see why they fell apart. Well no love lost to Donut media I'm still watching there channel😅 But I really do love these cars W201 I own two of em one of them I did a motor swap on using the M104 3.2L engine from a 1998 Mercedes-Benz E320 and mated the engine too a manual 5speed transmission and I added a turbo too using a Megasquirt 3 computer my second W201 I did a motor swap using a M103 3.0L from a 1997 sel 300 😅 thank you so much for making a video like this❤
15:10 So the part where audi pulls out of dtm is just wrong. They pulled out because of some protests and some back an forth over the legality of the new crankshaft for 92 Also dtm never raced a group c class. They raced group a till 92 and from 93-96 a so called class 1 rules.
You're absolutely wrong coz I had this particular Mercedes in the 90's. It was the rave of the moment if you don't know. It wasn't a "failure" it was extremely successful car for the Mercedes Benz. Everybody loved this car in my city and country
Noooooooooope. First company (that most) people think of when someone says "luxury", as it pertains to vehicles, is Rolls Royce and to a slightly lesser extent (but always in the USA) Cadillac. As in "the Cadillac of". Or "the Rolls Royce of". It's exactly like saying "the Michael Jordan of". I've never ever heard someone say " that's the Mercedes of". Beyond that, the AMG/Mercedes 190E/Evolution is definitely one of the greatest cars ever made! I absolutely love that car, and since way too many people know about them these days, I'll never get to own one outside of winning the lottery..
Can't wait to see the resto-mod 190E 2.5-16 Evo II by HWA. TG recently did an episode on it. I wonder if AMG will take it as a queue to retry similar models with the EV hype dying.
Aaaah, Mercedes! I drove a '89 220 as a young driving-licence-owner in the late 00's, bought for a 1000 bucks, 90PS for over 2 tons, great memories of that tired, but chilled-to-drive car! The dashboard looked exactly the same as at 9:53 The 190 was prominently used in the french movie "Taxi", of course for the bad guys, because the old French feud with the Germans at that time, three black Mercedes' against one white Peugeot: th-cam.com/video/Iiq5b4-5ges/w-d-xo.html
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hold up, how did you comment 10 hours before this video was even uploaded
@@MPR_ricky scheduled the upload with a pinned comment written at the time of upload, not too hard to figure out lol 😂
@@MPR_rickythe 190E Evolution II Road Car still is infamous on IA-15 on GT4.😂
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He meant on the track
I've driven the "failed experiment" for about 4 years and it was in his carburettor version much better than the BMW e30 318i i've driven before. The 190 was faster, had offered more space inside, his engine delivers more torque than the stronger 318i, consumed less fuel and runs faster. Was one of the best cars i've ever driven and and sometimes the reason why i'm still driving Mercedes.
Agreed.
None of BMW's old 4-cylinders are really noteworthy, and that's including the M3. That S14 makes more vibrations than actual power and takes forever to rev. Jason Cammisa has talked about it and how it compares to the E30 M3 in length in his podcast "The Carmudgeon Show", starring him and Derek Tam-Scott, who's also a Mercedes fanatic, and also in his review video of the new bucktooth M3 that's available on Hagerty's YT Channel, and he described [having owned and still owning one in factory condition, even down to the battery sticker] that the 2.3-16's engine has a big plateau of torque, and that's probably the reason why it feels much better than the S14. Given the choice between the two, I'd also choose the Merc over the BMW.
@@akshaysankarshana2405 Hm, but their first 4-valve engine in the 318is was not so bad. A friend of mine has had a e36 318is which runs as fast as my e36 320i, but mine has had an automatic gear drive. The 318is revs much better than the 320, a really sporty engine.
@@boogie153 Sure, but most people recognise BMW as the Straight-6 engine company when it comes to engines.
@@akshaysankarshana2405 I know, the inline 6, espacially the old M20 B25 engine is a masterpiece of engineering. I once have had a e30 325i touring, was a really beast of a car. Very light for a station wagon, very agile with a devastating sound(mine was eqipped with an Eisenmann exhaust), runs into rev limiter at the Autobahn, which means the speedometer shows 250km/h. It was followed by an e39 528 touring and last was an e34 540i touring-what an engine !! Could be driven below 10l and runs without limiter ~285 on the speedometer. 😎😲
The W201 was created so Mercedes Benz would have a compact car that would be considered entry-level. Rallying was never the primary reason. They only used the W201 as a platform for rallying because it was the most practical model to use.
Did they used W203 as chassis for Rally Car as well?
Not really. Mercedes had a wholesale ban on motorsport during the time, but they did indeed want to downsize, also keeping in mind CAFE regulations in the US. They went about meeting those with the W201 and W124, engineered for 4, 5 and 6 cylinder engines, with diesels at the forefront. The engineering requirements for the W201 were quite high, as expected from Mercedes of the era, so the 190 had to be indistinguishable from an S class from the driver's seat
The board of directors wouldn't green-light the project without it winning the WRC, which was scrapped because Audi's Quattros learned to take corners, so RWD cars just weren't going to be competitive ever again
@@istvanlorinczi2817 I said the company wanted an entry-level model. I never said they were going to sacrifice Mercedes-Benz standards in producing the car.
With the W201 already existing, the company wanted to enter WRC with Cosworth developing the engine for the rally car. Realizing that they could never compete with the Quattros, they turned their focus to DTM. Winning the WRC was never a condition in producing the W201.
@@eatsmylifeYT "*During the development program of the 190 model", codenamed W201, the German automaker considered entering into the World Rally Championship. But all those ideas were abruptly changed when Audi launched the S1 quattro and dominated races. Mercedes-Benz understood that its rear-wheel driven car wouldn't stand a chance against the mighty all-wheel drive turbocharged machinery from Ingolstadt."
Why wouldn't Mercedes enter DTM as a factory backed effort from the beginning, like BMW did? Because the board of directors were furious that they spent a ton of money on a rally car project that went nowhere, and perhibited any further development of a sport version of the W201, and the 2.3 16 engine as a whole. The board didn't want to race the cars, Mercedes engineers built the 2.3 16 in secret to begin with
You are not even close, stop learning History from Donut media.
190 was Made entirely for Rally due too small cars like for Escort dominating track times even with weak engines. And to meet new Economy standards after the 70s fuel crisis craze.
It's a tragedy that Mercedes and BMW are diluting their racing badges (M and AMG) like this. The identity of both of these brands in many people's minds is their heritage and excellence developed through their long history, but that is certainly not what their current shareholder-minded executives seem to think - nor what their cars reflect.
Their Real M division moved to Korea to make Hyundai "M" cars. Sadly. These days its a $4000 sticker on the base model for some painted calipers and maybe different mags..
Yep. They don’t even look nothing like what they should be smh
AMG diluted its badge when it merged with Mercedes, after they started selling AMG appearance packages that was the end of AMG forever
AMG has always been available for all Mercedes cars since they were bought by Daimler Benz AG.
Vito, Viano, Sprinter, R-Class, doesn't matter.
Lets it go that era has passed. The modern car has little place for real "performance" cars going forward.
Between Albon & Automobilistic, my nostalgia for "Up to Speed" has a little relief..Always great content from Albon.
R.I.P Donut Media
Companies buying other small-time channels or organizations almost always equal a depreciation in quality nowadays. It's the sad truth, and it shows.
Donut media was not very good. The Donut media AMG video features a 190e on the thumbnail but isn't even mentioned in the script.
@@commandohazelnutsyes. Same also to Carwow before.
RIP WHO?! oh just another generic unoriginal channel out here, gotcha ...
You should checkout Jason Cammisa he has a couple of great series (and a fantastic podcast) on Hagerty’s TH-cam Channel. “Revelations” is sort of like his version of “Up to Speed”, but higher quality than Donut Media. He also owns a sick collection of cars including an E30 325i Touring, and a 190E 2.3-16v Cosworth, both of which he imported from Germany.
He actually showcased his 190E in a track battle vs an E30 M3 in “M3 The Definitive Review”-or something like that.
The w201 chassis was not a failure. Was and is one of the most beloved chassis ever built by Mercedes. (Do better on your re-search)
Martin Brundle famously said it was the most brilliant car he's ever driver.
Narrator: That wasn't true.
It was over engineered and I’m kind of disappointed that no one ever talks about that.
@@VictorPitstopWatch some of Jason Cammisa’s work, he’s mentioned it before- hell he owns a 190E 2.3-16V (pre catalytic converter mandate so it actually revs), it’s in showroom condition down to the fucking battery, AND he raced it vs an E30 M3 in his video “M3: The Definitive Review”
He’s also done an entire episode of his podcast (The Carmudgeon Show) discussing the 190E with his buddy Derek who is also a Mercedes fanatic (He owns a Bornite E320 SportLine Wagon Dogleg 5 speed as well as a couple of R129s)… It’s literally a running gag that all they ever do is talk about old Mercedes, if you want to see them appreciated they are the right people to do it with 👍
@@griffins750 nice! Will check out the podcast because I’ve watched Jason’s video on the w201 (one of those videos you click faster than your thought processing). Everyone hypes up the e30 and that’s great and all but the 190e is a fantastic car despite its massive bus sized steering wheel in a tiny sedan.
@@griffins750 Yess, finally found another Carmudgeon Show and Discount Sandler Fan!!! Hell yeah!!
AMG had nothing to do with this car except for offering a power pack (like you mentioned) for street cars.
How the actual hell did Mercedes W201 become a "failure"? Other than the fact that it got its ass handed to it by the BMW M3, and that it didn't go to WRC because if it had, it would've gotten its ass handed to it by the Audi Quattro, in no way is it a failure. In fact, it was so ahead of it's time, that Dodge still uses that layout and suspension tech even today! 40 Years Later! And almost every car on sale has one of the features that this thing had back then. It certainly ain't a failure.
You obviously know nothing about Mercedes and the w201 and they didn’t accidentally make a good a car. They spent a lot of money and a lot time making that car.
Sounds like an accident to me
True. Mercedes-Benz even spent considerable amount of time and money in developing the five-link rear suspension system that has gotten so good and been fitted to many subsequent Mercedes-Benz vehicles for many years.
They spend 3/4 of a billion dollars developing the 190. And that was in 1980. The 5-link was a huge part of it and as stated above, went on to grace many other vehicles in their lineup afterwards, including the big brother of the 190e, the venerable 500e. And the cosworth developed cylinder head on the 2.3-16 models is no joke, even by today's standards. It flows like a waterfall.
Love my 190, and it is one of the best thought out cars in terms of packaging, maintenance, styling, and performance that I have ever experienced.
C'mon guys. Haven't we all accidentally spent a billion here or there?
Except they did accidentally made a great car. Otherwise, how tf you can explain the trash they put out for decades?
With way more time and money that you were talking about 😂
Did you really say "the 190E was a failed experiment from Mercedes" right at the beginning of the video. It literally introduced an entirely new class of people to the brand and was wildly successful.
It introduced new technologies and was a giant step forward from the typical frumpy styling Mercedes had espoused until then.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Agreed. It ain't a failure, hell no.
But looking at his entire video, it just seems to be a bad choice of words.
the people making youtube videos these days just google some stuff and make a video, they have no real world experience.
Right? The 190e birthed the whole c class which is entry level, the 190D’s are heavily sought these days
18:15 Lewis has 7 Championship titles
I’m guessing he’s a Massa fan!
6 was with Mercedes 1 was with McLaren i think he means
@@kylenutley473 I think hes joking about how people say Lewis has eight WDCs
@@DuckJugglerJnr Indeed, he has 8 titles as much as he has 6, depending on who you ask 😂😂😂
I intentionally left out the mclaren WDC to stay on topic of Mercedes and AMG history
Starts naming cars like the sls and e55 then just ignores the sl65 amg black series. Great car that is largely forgotten
Fantastic vehicle. I think it gets forgotten because lineup wise it kinda gets lost between the SLS & SLR. I like to think of it as the hero car of the German auto industry of the 00s when everything was getting crazy ass powerplants with no abandon
I've owned my 8v 190e for 5 years and I'm never selling it. It is my 1st car and it's the best car.
1M you would sell it lol jk
@@djdup3819 Yeah, it's not logically worth a million so I could buy 10k 190e LOL deal! no take backs!
Just for a historical note. In 1955 the Mercedes-Benz raced the entire year in the WSC with the SLR except the first 2 rounds. Prior to Le Mans they raced the Mille-Miglia and Moss set that famous world record that will never be broken. After Le Mans they raced and won at Dundrod and Targa Florio and won the Championship over Ferrari. So, they actually retired from the racing scene at the end of 1955.
Also, you mentioned Hunt, but the first name is not Jack it's James.
Getting the 190E to be respectable at motorsport was pulling teeth. For as off the pace they were throughout it's life it's amazing that the 2.3-16 gets the credit it does. I'm glad they stuck with it for the one shining moment of the EVO 2 but wow that was a literal decade in the making.
Being said though, it's a feat in it's own to hype up a fast Mercedes, do a look forward, and completely forget the 500E, the 500i Indycar, the SL73, the CLK GTR, The SLR Mclaren, or any of the Mercedes Mclarens that managed to wrench a championship out from that domination of the Schumacher/Ferrari pair. Or you know, that first championship that a certain british chap had before going on to win 6 with a factory Mercedes.
Yeah that engine is weak sauce.
Lmfao what a load of bullshit
The only reason it was behind the M3 was because Mercedes board outright banned motorsports after the debacle that was their investment into WRC, so the 190E was competing with privateers without any factory support save for engineers slipping them parts out the back door… And if you don’t believe me go watch Jason Cammisa’s “M3 The Definitive Review”, part of that video is a track battle between a 190E 2.3-16V and an E30 M3.
I am on my third AMG - my second C-63 AMG - reflashed ECU and long tube headers makes six hundred horsepower at the crank.. Great cars - keep them properly maintained and they won't let you down. My initial AMG was a C-55..what a sleeper...
I remember a lot that the 1992 AMG Evolution II 190E still a legendary DTM car on GRAN TURISMO 4 to 6.
The fact that Audi and BMW had to add balast to "level the playing field" has nothing to do with it...and nothing to do with the fact that both left DTM and refused to re-enter a couple of years later...
Man I got the popcorn out when I saw the thumbnail of your video with he 190E! I honestly learned so much from this video
190E AMG is the GOAT ❤
Benz is the greatest
As a Mercedes/AMG fan, it really is disapointing the state of their new cars. Cheap feeling, crossovers, the 2.0 "c63" I do hope they return to making good cars again. For now, I'm happy with my E55
@Albon the 500E was named The Velvet Hammer/ 1st 4 door Porsche since the car was a joint effort between them both. All hand made from 92-94 1505 total made 688 came to the USA. My 92's sticker price with luxury/gas guzzler tax was $92,550.
“Joint effort” is a bit misleading. The Audi RS2 was a “joint effort”, The 500E was an engineering consulting job which Mercedes hired Porsche to do, but Porsche used none of their own parts nor did they tune it. Porsche simply did the engineering to bolt one Mercedes part to another Mercedes part… The Mercedes 400E was the same thing but you’re not talking about that being the first 4 door Porsche.
At around 12:10, if by "aero covers to redirect air to the wing" you mean the one on the rear windshield, that's not why that piece is there, the reason is much cooler
That piece only exists because DTM regulations didn't allow a wing that would block rear visibility, so Mercedes just made the rear visibility worse, and what goes on the racecar, goes on the homologation special
I wish I still had my 190E. Very solid car. Handled well at 110 mph. Its achilles heel was oversteer. It had a short wheelbase.
My in-laws still have their couple of 190D 2.5 non turbo.
The 190 platform was conceived as something out of heavens!
I was looking for the 2,5 TD for some time for some years.... But couldn't find it anywhere ...... I do understand it now.
Bro u really are underrated in this space.......been watching you for a long time now and watching you telling the stories still amaze me
First sentence and already wrong. The w201 is one of the most successful cars ever
The 190E was a failed experiment? It was actually a very successful car, their first compact model and it sold exceedingly well. It's now known as the C-class.
1st set AMG here in Indonesia is a box AMG. Like in this video. My neighbor got them. He sold it for 500 Million Rupiah which is around 30K. RHD. He kept it clean....
A bit of correction, DTM cars were regulated under Group A, not Group C. And the following regulation was Class 1, not Group 1. Group 1 is actually an older regulation (pre-1982).
At least we are safe knowing that AMG will never produce any good models again, so this cars' legacy shall remain eternal
Bertha Benz was investor and wife of Carl Benz. On 5 August 1888, she was the first person to drive an internal-combustion-engined automobile over a long distance, field testing the Benz Patent-Motorwagen, inventing brake lining and solving several practical issues during the journey of 105 km (65 miles). With her sons Richard and Eugen, thirteen and fifteen years old respectively, in a Model III, without telling her husband and without permission of the authorities, thus becoming the first person to drive an automobile a significant distance. Thanks to this travel, she brought the Patent-Motorwagen worldwide attention and got their company its first sales. She wasn't allowed to study in the Grand Duchy of Baden, and her financial and practical engineering contributions have long been overlooked until the 21st century.
I had one back in 1984 when I was at a station in Germany. It was 190 AMG. It was my baby hammer.
190E was the legendary Mercedes racing car in Motorsports history and i love the 190E so much.
I get that the 190 E revitalized Mercedes racing but it is defitntly not the only car that comes to my mind when i hear the words Merceds racing or AMG. The 1997 Mercedes-Benz AMG CLK GTR from the FIA GT1 Champisonship is the one I think of. I mean it dominated both the 1997 & 1998 seasons winning both the Driver & Team championships back to back all while having competition from the BMW powered McLaren F1 GTR & the Porsche 911 GT1. Crazy to me that you didn't at least give it's engine made by AMG an honorable mention when bringing up Mercedes racing at the end as it is one of the best AMG V12's ever made. The engine is so good that Pagani even used the same engine up utill 2016.
The "failed experiment" is one of the best selling, looking and handling cars Mercedes has ever produced.
The base models drive incredibly well as they come but the real treat is the Cosworth designed 16 valve cylinder head. AMG capitalized on it by tuning and developing it some more and also gave the car better aero.
congrats on 300k albon!!
Thanks to you guys! 🙏🏽
@@albonfilms no problem man happy to help you!
oh yeah, just realised that🎉🎉
Did he just say failed experiment and Mercedes mistake??
Does he even know what he is talking about??
Omg bro it was one of the greatest cars in Mercedes history
I have owned many old Mercedes. Evo 2 is really one of my favorite cars all time. Atleast best looking car i have ever seen. Now i am building Evo 2 look w201 with m104 700hp turbo engine.
Your content has improved. You're finding your voice. Doesn't sound forced anymore. I've always dug your content, but the delivery felt like you were trying to be something that's been done. Now I think I may have been wrong and just didn't see your vision. Subscribed, cheers.
YES... Another Banger From Albon!
The Mercedes Benz 190e Evolution II Is A DREAM CAR!
It would have made more sense to say 8 Championships then back it down to the 7 that the record books show. Since he really does have 7 official titles. The fact that #8 was blatantly stolen from him is undeniable.
Great video! Kamaz Dakar rally team story is quite interesting also.
I absolutely love the picture of senna on full attack with a sec in the background❤
That was fun...
Thanks my brother
My mom has a GLE? You learn something new everyday!
seeing as it was a story of AMG and in particular the 190E, I am surprised you never mentioned the rarest of the 190E, the Baby Hammer or the 190E 3.2 AMG with only 200 models built.
That flip looked insane
18:31 the irony of the video criticizing a 4-door AMG sedan with a 4 cylinder turbocharged engine while the entire video is on the foundation of Mercedes-AMG which began with a 4-door sedan with a similar engine.
probably could have squeezed at least another few ads into the first 5 min. I mean it was like watching cable all over again. Just what we all want. YAY!!
A world-class automotive history buff telling edge-of-seat compelling stories with the excitement drawn from live coverage of Le Mans. It's an honor, a joy, and a privilege to be in that audience. Salut Albon!
very well made clip, with good subtitles, really good.
A brilliant humor..... got me many times, uhum.
Jack Hunt lol Hope no one relies on this channel for accurate information.
The thumbnail.
If you remove the back door, stretch the front door rearward a tad... you're left with a fox body. The 79-93 variety 👍
Wünderbar ! It is what it is. Great video !
My 190e 1.8 gets me around comfortably .
I would like "Years Germany does not talk about for $500, Alex"
yo I actually love this channel, congrats on 300k
AMG as not envolved in the EVO versions,only Cosworth...
When you say merc I think of mercury….I’m broke🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
i agree. that **is** the coolest t-shirt ever
On early 2000 i've 1993 AMG 190 AND YOU SAYING THE TRUTH.. BEST MERCEDES BENZ AMG 190
thank you very much i like your style of telling history of Mercedes and AMG ... great job
My car wouldn't be a thing without this car. And I don't even drive a Merc.
Wait Albon! You gonna run your pie whole for almost 20min about Merc AMG and not mention the CLK-GTR AMG once? I'm low key disappointed.
I think the story is mainly about the 190e and 190e 2.5-16v Evo 2, and not about cars in the future
Digging the channel... got that " My name is Andong " channel vibe
To anyone who has owned or driven a mono-arm wiper Mercedes, they know that modern Mercedes are not just the same anymore.
190 E is an answer to the dedication
In the early 70s Ford UK did a Race of Champions at Brands Hatch to promote the mk1 Capri.
The Capri went on to a truly legendary Touring Car career until BMW swiped the crown.
That intake sound! Damn!
0:09. Wrong. 190E was widely regarded as the 1st generation of C class.
You didn't mentioned the CLK GTR AMG Collaboration.
CLK GTR was also one of the biggest reasons why AMG are still known for up until this day besides the 190e EVO and EVO 2!!
@@UguisuAnko12 yeah, but I guess he forgot
0:49 I have no mom. And no GLE too.🤔
I say, nothing is an accident in the automobile world. Every car is produced meticulously with many hopes of the existing market requirements. Excellence functions. Many Key performance indexes, in Mercedes-Benz cars are tested in tight condition, evaluated. In fact other car manufacturers are scared of it. It's high standard.
Another Albon banger? Well well, just let me slip in here and hit the like button real quick.... Done!
I am a failure at life.
I never knew that all those boring 90s bmr 3 series by the millions, started life as a race car 1st? I took a 94 325 convertible for a spin in 1997. Tracy Ann Cotton ❤ was very mad, it was her parents car 😮 i didn't abuse it, but i was spirited. I was amazed. I had just built a 383 sbc 81 Z28 set up for time attack. That stock BMW felt as fast as my Camaro around that same neighborhood. Mystery Solved. Thank you.
I just retired, & bought a new GR Supra 3.0, and DTM the hell out of it every day 😂😂😂😂
Best car ive ever had. Including a 911. Only minus point is the back seat cant fold down. If u need to move big things.
16:22 What does group C have to do with DTM ? There is no Group 1 in the DTM.
For me, this video is really hard to watch. Too much focus on entertaining and to less facts.
The title: Why accidently building the perfect race car ? Why was it perfect and why accidantly ?
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I have an c230 kompressor w202 and after 300 000km Its still in good shape
I expected the CLK GTR 🤔
40 years of abuse by the Buyers, now abused by Media...
Even if they die they will never be able to R.I.P
i didnt expect so much misinformation from YOU, the e30 was a racecar tuned down for the street?? really? or you meant strictly the m3,in which case yeah, they made it a racecar once they decided they want to race it, whoop-tee-doo, and the numbers of the golden era dtm hp was closer to 380-400, not 340, and yes thats insane... maybe the 340 figure refers to whp
Even more beautiful irl, my aunties partner had one around 15 years ago stunning EVO II
Thank thank you thank you for making a video on the BabyBenz190E that gets no R-E-S-P-E-C-T. I have asked Donut media for years to do this and I know James would of nailed it but they ended up getting controlled by who was paying them and now we see why they fell apart. Well no love lost to Donut media I'm still watching there channel😅 But I really do love these cars W201 I own two of em one of them I did a motor swap on using the M104 3.2L engine from a 1998 Mercedes-Benz E320 and mated the engine too a manual 5speed transmission and I added a turbo too using a Megasquirt 3 computer my second W201 I did a motor swap using a M103 3.0L from a 1997 sel 300 😅 thank you so much for making a video like this❤
The AMG Hammer, based on a C124 with 6l V8 is one of my favorit Mercedes ❣️👌🏼
To bad that they are so rare 😅
Love from Berlin 🇩🇪
Ramsi 🙋🏻♂️
15:10 So the part where audi pulls out of dtm is just wrong. They pulled out because of some protests and some back an forth over the legality of the new crankshaft for 92
Also dtm never raced a group c class. They raced group a till 92 and from 93-96 a so called class 1 rules.
You're absolutely wrong coz I had this particular Mercedes in the 90's. It was the rave of the moment if you don't know. It wasn't a "failure" it was extremely successful car for the Mercedes Benz. Everybody loved this car in my city and country
Noooooooooope. First company (that most) people think of when someone says "luxury", as it pertains to vehicles, is Rolls Royce and to a slightly lesser extent (but always in the USA) Cadillac. As in "the Cadillac of". Or "the Rolls Royce of". It's exactly like saying "the Michael Jordan of". I've never ever heard someone say " that's the Mercedes of". Beyond that, the AMG/Mercedes 190E/Evolution is definitely one of the greatest cars ever made! I absolutely love that car, and since way too many people know about them these days, I'll never get to own one outside of winning the lottery..
9:10 goosebumps ✨
Can't wait to see the resto-mod 190E 2.5-16 Evo II by HWA. TG recently did an episode on it. I wonder if AMG will take it as a queue to retry similar models with the EV hype dying.
190E a failed experiment? it sold really well and was the birth of the C class, that has been a staple in mercedes line up ever since
I loved the 7... er 6 champioships part hehe
I really want that white Celica GT behind you!
i had a 190e and i loved it and it was fast as hell to
The CLK-GTR was a monster
The e190 Cosworth that James May drove on top gear is my favourite car pity they don't make it or developed further 😢
apple carplay on the j90 supra? no, we still need that hackintoshed supra
Aaaah, Mercedes! I drove a '89 220 as a young driving-licence-owner in the late 00's, bought for a 1000 bucks, 90PS for over 2 tons, great memories of that tired, but chilled-to-drive car!
The dashboard looked exactly the same as at 9:53
The 190 was prominently used in the french movie "Taxi", of course for the bad guys, because the old French feud with the Germans at that time, three black Mercedes' against one white Peugeot: th-cam.com/video/Iiq5b4-5ges/w-d-xo.html
AMG started the horsepower wars their best cars came from the mid 2000’s, the bias at the end of the video I can’t agree with
Funny, I always thought that AMG, meant All Mighty Guys...
U hear all that then they came give us a four cylinder C63